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to support the data, that we 'd done forensic examinations on phones and found pegasus, we were committed to seeing if we could get this project out with him. laurent, let's talk about the data, because at the heart of your reporting is this list of 50,000 phone numbers, which you say is a wish list of targets for users of pegasus. 0n the list are journalists, heads of state and so on. what can you tell us about how you got hold of that list? i can tell you nothing, basically, on that. of course, we cannot comment for many reasons that you can understand, but the most important things are what we see on that list at least and what it is telling us about how this software has been used againstjournalists, human rights defenders, political opponents. but as paul was explaining, the good thing in that project is that we were able to get evidence and this is really the first time i think in history of modern spying that we get evidence and we can show