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all, to not only eradicate small pox. we probably would, still, have small pox and we probably would, still, have polio in this country if we had the kind of false information that's being spread, now. if we had that, back decades ago, i would be certain that we'd still have polio in this country. >> sounds like a frustrated dr. fauci, cara. let me just ask you. i mean, do you think, based on what you heard there, i mean, dr. fauci's saying polio would still be around. my goodness, if we had this kind of disinformation back then. do you think dr. fauci is right? do you think the president is right, when he says facebook is killing people? >> well, you know, i just wrote a column about this. i think -- i have been writing about this issue for a long time. the dangers of this disinformation and it isn't just about covid. it's been about election lies. it's been about all kinds of things. it's justice win thing, after the next, on these platforms. and so, i think this is just a difficult situation that the biden administration finds itself in and that it's trying