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and "the simpsons" i think, in some senses, was inspired by not necessarily hatred of television but a distrust of a lot of the ways, in which television was talking to us. >> tv respects me. it laughs with me, not at me. you stupid -- >> i think the sitcoms of the '80s were such a, sort of, warm, safe humor. >> you see? the kids. they listen to the rap music, which gives them the brain damage. >> and i think there was a real yearning for another type of humor. >> we were able to spoof fatherhood. >> what a bad father. >> which, at the time, and i stress at the time, was bill cosby as the shining example.