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was just accidental. so they really now packaged something that's pretty potent, and i think pretty easy for a jury to understand and judge. rather than a difficult paper case, they have a fairly easy, sort of human interest case involving, as they say, ongoing conduct, sort of a way of doing business with weisselberg at the center. >> so laura, weisselberg pleaded not guilty. we know how close he is with trump. he worked with him for 48 years. if someone is going to flip, they almost always do it before they're indicted. but not always, right? sometimes they flip after. could this be in your opinion enough to flip weisselberg? >> i mean, he's facing a very lengthy prison sentence in the double digits, if he is, in fact, convicted that's a lot about calling somebody's bluff.