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strength in effect, lead with the strongest charges or do you see this as a first step? >> that is the big question here. is this the first step or is this all there is? a lot of that will depend on whether they could shake loose allen weisselberg as a cooperating witness. because he could hold the keys to the kingdom here. if he cooperates, if there is enough pressure on him because of this indictment, then his mind may change. i know he's made clear he's not going to be cooperating thus far. if he doesn't though, jim, if this is all they have, it is not much. as a result of two years of this case, enormous resources, they fought up to the supreme court and i think it is safe to conclude that based on what they have so far, they do not believe they have enough with michael cohen, with the tax returns to indict anyone beyond who they've already charged or will be charging later today. >> hey, laura, last night in addition to what eli just said he told me this is a good news/bad news situation for the former president. do you agree with that