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>> first thing i do every morning is i talk to the guys doing the work. we got -- we've got at least 240 men and women on the pile right now, hand picking that stuff out. we have got cranes, we have gigantic cranes lifting off huge slabs. the governor has provided infrastructure, the senators have worked to do -- we don't have, we don't have a resource problem, we have a luck problem. we have to get lucky and start finding people and pulling them out. >> you still have hope. >> i absolutely have hope and i'm expecting some miracles. >> we're hoping for miracles, with each day -- >> i think we're at the beginning. i think there was a bbc article that i was sent that outlined survival rates in building collapses. and it outlined that people have survived up to 17 days and maybe more. so, given that it is 17 days survive ability, and it talked about the rain going into the --