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or used to be he was when i knew him. i know money and power corrupts. i cannot imagine him jeopardizing his children for any reason. he would not do it. i cannot see him going to jail to be honest with you. >> and you think any loyalty to the trump family would yield to the interest to his own family. the question is, do you think, barbara, that he knows things that could be trouble for the former president with prosecutors? >> absolutely. without a question. anything that allen did, that resulted in some kind of illegality or against the law, trump knew about. nothing big happened to the trump organization without trump's knowledge. >> all right, so, elliott, we don't know the charges, but we know we have never season a former president in any way come under the scrutiny of criminal charges and it's the trump organization. he is the man at the top of the pyramid. to have his main man, the cfo,