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so harry, let's play what trump organization lawyers said today after court. >> these cases are always resolved in the civil context. the irs has never made a case like this. >> they cannot point to any case, any case, where a corporation has been prosecuted based on a few individuals in the corporation who allegedly, on their personal tax return, made a mistake or did not pick up fringe benefits on their personal tax return. >> you hear that, and there is the question, harry, most of these cases against corporations like this are generally civil. can you explain why this one is criminal? >> yeah. and it's not really true. this is spin and talking points that they prepared before, i think, they saw tin he indictme.