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>> so if some smart kid in a dorm room right now has a dream for space they can't do it? >> they can't do it. that's exactly right. but if we can lay that infrastructure, then do that hard work then there will be able to be a bunch of entrepreneurs. maybe the young guy, oliver, who flew with us today will be one of them. >> what does that look like? what does this road look like? you've talked about a human presence on the moon. >> yeah. >> obviously, you know, elon musk is talking about mars. what does it look like? >> there are a couple things. one of the things is it's really about moving heavy industry. i know this sounds fantastical, and it is fantastical. remember, if you went back to the kitty hawk era and showed them a 787 they would think that's fantastical. but we really have to move heavy industry and polluting industry off earth. earth is too small and -- >> coal plants? >> we'll beam energy down to earth. when we make chips and microchips and everything else,