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donald trump is somebody that he sees as being anti-democratic, dangerous when it comes to democratic institutions. >> and i think the thing that the campaign wants more than anything else is for the trial to have the effect of sort of jolting awake the voters who are sitting back and haven't really been paying attention and who do not believe that a trump to 0.0 is a real possibility. >> so mike, last night at that campaign event in greenwich, president biden also told his supporters, quote, this guide is not deserve to be president, whether or not i'm running, what do you make of all this? >> i'm just curious what got the loudest applause? >> trump not winning or him not running because i think, oh, i get it. yeah. well, sorry but i don't know. >> it's we go ahead. we've got two candidates here. >> yeah leading both are their party's and i'm not sure that you've got the rank and file that are absolutely excited about this to 0.0. >> as you put it, this election to 0.0, what do you, what do