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the how far do you go and what does it cross the line to actually backlash due to fly back in your face? >> what do you mean biden's message should be very simple. donald trump wants to talk about himself, and i want to talk about you. if donald trump gets elected, he will focus only on himself. he has appeals. he's got other potential cases. look, the federal cases are going to go away from the president hearing that here, right? i'm not hearing it yet. he better you better start doing it and i've always said the white house has a messaging problem and the messaging problem is this. the contrast is very easy. >> i am about you. donald trump is about himself, everything it's going to happen in a second. trump administration will only be even more about donald trump. there are real issues happening to you in the world and to you in this country? and you need a president who is going to focus on you and not himself. and this is part and parcel of what's going on and that's something the president should be talking about much more for republicans down-ballot republicans. this can the criminal conviction poses. i'm describing it as like a new set of landmines that they have to decide how they want to navigate political. is an interesting report out this