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could appeal his conviction. his first crack at that appeal you'll fail. the appeals court upheld his conviction. the justice department says, it's time for steve bannon to pay the price to serve his sentence and bannon's attorneys believe you should be allowed to remain free until you exhaust all of his appeal options, including going to the supreme court if necessary, wolf and joey, steve bannon, as you know, he's been successful in delaying his sentence in the past. do you think you'll be able to do the same today so wilfredo be at judicial determination, obviously, but i think we have as we look there, that he was found guilty and july of 22, he is convicted at those two counts at sara spoke to number one, who was supposed to produce documents. >> he didn't he was supposed to show up. he didn't. and then the sentence was effectuating in october of that year. and of course, we know wolf that he appealed that sentence. they kept him out they stayed the sentence pending the appeal. and so today's argument really will be whether he you should go in or whether the appellate process should be exhausted. i think briefly wolffian having this discussion, we have to separate the person discussed