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the judge has made a substantive ruling. so that means she can then slow walk everything without any repercussions. this woman, this judge, really knows how to manipulate the judicial system and she's doing it very, very effectively. >> although blatantly and right, right in front of us in plain sight. and she's getting away with it. >> well, the special counsel, jack smith, have any recourse well, again what recourse if she hasn't made a ruling. so she'll listen to these issues and at low, i think i want to have another hearing or i want to add something more and still not making a ruling, just like the gag order, jet jack smith's request for a gag order. >> right. >> and so oh, what does she do? well, we're going to have to hold a hearing and we'll have to see about where i go on that and by the way, that hearing, let's hear other stuff too. let's hear about the prosecution of the defense wants to interrogate federal