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time and again, absolutely see the voters have and they have a greater concern about joe biden's age than they do about donald trump's, even though they're 3.5 years apart. so i don't want to like undercut what is actually one of the biggest vulnerabilities for joe biden, even as we discuss what listen data maybe have joe biden spent an our every morning getting his hair together and putting makeup on he looked a little less old. >> it's a serious issue for the president. he had a great moment at the state of the union. it gave him a temporary bump in the polls, or democrats were reinvigorate and it felt this is still our guy and who we are, what 9,000 plus days later and people are looking at the president again and they're thinking, well, kenny, continue to do this job for another four years because of his age, you also throw in what his son is going through and i'm not trying to mix them with the politics, but he has a father and i don't think there is a parent out there who wouldn't be worried about their child if they were going through what's the delaware case. you also have the pending case in california with not paying federal taxes. >> so these are some serious things that people are going to keep in mind and say, well, is