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further or the economy is booming and everybody of every ethnicity seems to be making more money. and their savings accounts are flush with cash. that to me is an articular able political revenge if you're talking about i'm talking about trump what do you, mean i'm just answering the question. i'm laura terms of if i were to say, hey, i'm going to seek revenge, my revenge would be look at my success and my accomplishments under my tenure. >> you look at the idea of somebody who's trying to be the head of executive branch and could wield power. that's what he's trying to do in this revenge tour of sorts. talking about the future, there is a current head of the executive branch, president biden, and his son is in trial. and the federal court in wilmington, delaware. he said, look, if he's convicted, he's not going to pardon him. he's not going to use the power that he could what did listen to what he actually said about this point, by the way? >> let me ask you, will you accept the jury's outcome, their verdict, no matter what it is? >> yes. >> and have you ruled out a pardon for your son?