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time, what would be a successful legal appellate argument? >> two arguments. the defense definition of willfully used by the liquor volley court, that this court said their hands were tied by, is no longer a valid definition of willfully in the criminal law period, the supreme court has said it since 2015 and 2019. they said it expressly there's absolutely no question about it. they say willfully mean the different things in different contexts. the threshold for criminal liability is that you knew are believed you were doing something wrong. steve bannon believed the only thing he could do to comply with the law was what he did in this case. that's what his lawyer told them. and that's what he was entitled to rely on. the jury should have been told that that's number one. number two, if you want to apply willfully this way you've created a separation of powers problem. congress isn't the final arbiter when a president or former president invokes executive privilege, period, it's presumptively valid and congress can't decide that go to a court. a court could decide it. and that's what ben and ask them to do. they refuse to do it. there's a