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higher courts stepping in or steve bannon heading to prison by july 1st. >> i think steve bannon will be in prison by july 1st. well, if no, steve bannon exercised his constitutional right to go to trial. he was convicted and he was sentenced to four months in prison. and then he was given something called bail pending appeal, which means you have to be able to show that you have a substantial likelihood of success on your appeal. well, steve bannon has now lost his first appeal. so substantial likelihood of success has diminished considerably now, he does have two more potential outs. one, he can ask the court of appeals to rehear the case altogether as an entire circuit, but they very rarely agree to do that. and then and he can ask the supreme court to take the case, but they're very selective in which cases they take. i think it's very unlikely they take this case and i think steve bannon will have to surrender by the end of this month. >> and on that point, elliott, if bannon's last-ditch effort fails, he would join us. we just heard him brian's report a long list of trump insiders who have been ordered to prison. what does that say to you? >> well it says each of them