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the outcome of the trial and also pledging not to pardon his son. this, of course, is the first time in us history that we've ever seen the child of a sitting president on trial? the second time will be in a few months from now and september when hunter biden is back on trial for federal tax charges, i want to talk about all of this with democratic strategists, laura think and also seen political commentator s. e. cupp, who has a brand new show that we'll talk about in a moment. but on this statement from president biden, what did you make of his answer tonight? >> i thought it was smart and i thought it blended well with all of his previous statements about the rule of law. he had to toe the line and it's got to be really painful because a hunter biden and his son, he's watching him get dragged through the mud and his drug addiction be on for all eyes to see. so the challenge for him is really to continue to live up to his values when it was really personal and he did that today. it seems like a pretty normal, straightforward answer, but it takes new weight when we see what trump is saying, oh, outcome of his trial or hearing