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they're the so-called double-haters. they say they won't vote for donald trump, but they're also not committed to voting for joe biden and sarah longwell spoke to nine of these double-haters this is what she writes about, many of them they had familiar stories. they supported trump in the past as the lesser evil. they couldn't stomach hillary clinton in 2016, they were lifelong republican who couldn't imagine voting for a democrat. some of them remember watching the apprentice and admiring trump for his perceived business savvy. but the events of january 6 and general fatigue with trump's antics have made these voters not very likely or not at all likely to vote for him. again, in 2024 at sarah, bring us inside the room here. what did you hear from these people? >> we talk to these voters the day after trump's conviction, and we'd specifically screened for people who had voted for trump twice. but really didn't want to vote for him again because i view this as our persuadable group of voters. the problem is, is that they're out on trump. there, just like i can't vote for this guy