>> he was caught in a political storm, that he had no control over, okay? >> he had control over. >> he had no choice, he's not a king and because he goes on television and relates to the average person doesn't mean he's doing anything wrong, he's not our king, he's our president. >> why did he take the health care bill and make it up across the street and ram it down our throat, where is the partisanship there and the republicans were not allowed to discuss it and we have debt upon debt and 1400 pages -- >> he's trying to deal with what was handed to him. >> no. no. no. bill: and it went from there. back and forth. and, round and round, frank luntz, a few voices, anyway, from ohio. martha: fascinating. people are so engaged, in all of this and that connect to the next story as well. because now there is a new investigation that has been launched, into the motives behind scrapping what would have been the entire country's
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