creature altogether because of her dominance behind we were just looking at these numbers. when there's a woman who is a creator of the show, the percentage of women writers is almost 50%. if it's not a woman creator, you're down to 50%. >> i feel like we're in a television renaissance right now. not just because there are black shows on television but it's the way these characters are created. characters of color. they are complex, diverse, not just tropes and not being bogged down. you have to be a certain kind of way. olivia pope is with the president. gorgeous and fly. >> look at analise keating. the fact we have these nuance characters that are diverse that just -- it's beyond just the front end and back end. it's the characters there. they represent blackness as