Transcripts For KQED Charlie Rose 20170926

Voted for trump. It wasnt resentment but grievance and anger. I am not somebody who wants to foment anger. He relishes it. What he said in alabama a few days ago about black athletes it just got hoots and hollers and standing ovation. Charlie part one of our conversation with Hillary Clinton next. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following bank of america. Life better connected. And by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Charlie Hillary Clinton is here. She was, as you know, the democrat partys nominee for president in the 2016 election and served as first lady, center from new york and secretary of state and received more votes than any other candidate in history except to donald trump and she reflects on the 2016 campaign in her new book. It is called what happened, appropriately titled. Im please to have her back. Welcome. Its good to be here. Charlie first of all, its a runaway bestseller. The fastest selling nonfiction book. One reviewer said its a funny account in the aftermath and a post mortem where shes coroner and corpse and a feminist manifester and a rant against james comey and vladamir putin and james b. Comey and thumping of trump and if you add up the time in golf, twitter and others whats left. I know youve been reviewing this a lot of on the book tour. 9 00 p. M. , election night. You thought you were going to win. I did. The first returns that came in were not what we thought from florida and North Carolina but we knew that those would be challenging states. We still felt good about everything we knew about the states to come to get to the Electoral College majority and it went down hill from there. It was a shocking, devastating evening. I write in great detail about it. Because i wasnt prepared for that. Charlie you had a victory speech but not a concession speech and i had to reach out to those who my opponent really stirred up against me because i thought it was important to be the president for everybody and thats what i was looking forward to do. Charlie you found out it wasnt going well. You chose not to go speak that night and come back the next morning. Right. Charlie and you tried to speak to the idea that your heart was smashed. Your soul was smashed. You must have felt how would you characterize it . Well, i was still in shock but i was devastated. Once it became clear the Electoral College was going the other way. I had to do several things which i did and described. I had to call donald trump, which was something that i can barely remember. I had to reconstruct it. It was surreal and he was unprepared. I had to call president obama and tell him how sorry i was because i knew there would be a great effort under a new administration, the other party to undo much of what he had accomplished and then i had to work on a speech. I wasnt prepared to go out until id gotten all that done and by then it was 1 30, 2 00 in the morning. We had to find a place to deliver a concession speech which my stalwart band of people did and i showed up and delivered it the next morning. Charlie Richard Cohen reminded me of this, the fox knows many things and the hedgehog knows one big thing. Is that sort of what happened here . I think if you look at it, we certainly i, thought i was running a campaign about many things but it turned out in part because of coverage based on my mistake with the emails and because of intervention of other forces, it turned out to be one thing about my short comings and the attacks on me and in my view, phony attacks on me. I thought i was speaking about and i have in the book analyses which proves i was talking about jobs more than anybody else and if you cared about the economy you voted for me. All of that. But if you do a word cloud that was done, it was all about emails for me. I thought i was done in that in july and came back 12 days before the election. Charlie so you go back to chappaqua and walk in the woods. I did. Charlie cried a lot . Not cried so much. I really worked through over a weeks not days the disappointment i felt of letting people down. And trump would turn out to be a better president than his campaign suggested, in may view has not. And i did various things. I spent time with family, friends, walked in the woods the other day in the book signings and i met a lady i met there in the woods on a jaunt. It was a lot of time reflecting and it was only through that process that i thought everybodys asking these questions and has their own theories about what happened. I want to know what happened. I want to the best of my ability really explore that, the role i played, my shortcomings and all these outside forces and i started writing the book which was very painful. I would literally write something and go lie down. Charlie what was painful . What they said about you or rejected you before you or understanding what people believed about you . Well, all the above. But what was painful was sitting down and trying to sort through it. There was no point in trying to avoid what the facts were but also to be clear i was looking for evidence. There was a lot of anecdotal evidence and about what caused and what could have been done differently. I wanted to sort it out and get to the bottom of it and see how i felt about it. Charlie thats why people call it raw and going to the bone. It was selfcritical. I was. Charlie you were going to contain the fury but let the unless analysis in full flight. I tried. I say heres what i did wrong and im not going to be a candidate again so if youre you are learn from my mistakes. Theres institutional obstacles that exist whether its suppressing voters or sexism and heres one huge problem that is a combination of a reality tv campaign, the role the russians played, things that had never happened before so we werent prepared. Now we have to be prepared. In fact, i think my losing helped prepare the dutch, the french and the germans to defend themselves against some of the same forces. Charlie the macron came out and another after that. And youre debating it all and letting it all hang out. You had done some of that before in terms of deciding whether you would run for president. You knew that was fatigue and that youd been around before and so people maybe tired of you. You knew there was a pressed attitude perhaps and you knew you would have to face that but believe you could overcome it. And heres why. When i hold a job i get high Approval Ratings and i come out of the state department with 69 in one of the polls. Because people saw me representing our country and working for the president and thought id done a good job so i knew all the other factors would come to bear but i believed it was good to say, look, were going to build on the progress we made. Im not barack obama but i appreciate what he did to save the economy and health care and so much else. But i have ideas of my own im going to throw in the mix. Were going to run a vigorous campaign. Were going to be reaching out to peach people and look, i did get more votes as you said in the introduction and things happened especially at the end that now more analysts are paying attention to. Theyre saying, yeah, was it economic anxiety or cultural well it was both and trump fomented a lot of culturaling left hand i believe his support were the dog whistles. The controversy he was a lead and the attack on immigrants and me mexicans the very first day of his campaign and a steady drumbeat. I have in the book an example. After the convention we go on a bus tour through ohio and were highlighting jobs. Ive done this before. I did it with my husband and when i ran for the senate. And we were getting very positive feedback from people talking to guys working on the floor of a factor and the like. But it was also at the same time trump was attacking the khan family, the family of the goldstar muslim soldier. It blocked out. If you were reading the philadelphia inquirer, maybe you saw an interview of a guy who heard me speak and said i like what shes saying but if you were looking at any other outlet, it was attack the muslims, attack the family, insult them. That was the constant drumbeat. Charlie he sucked all the air and attention. But he did it by literally causing people to go oh, my gosh did you see what he said or what he did. He called it undoing political correctness. Charlie if somebody said its about greed and guilt and more do you at all feel sorry for yourself . No, not a bit. Ive had a great life. I was privileged to run for president. I was honored to be the nominee of the democratic party. Obviously i wished i figured out how to combat some of the factors at the end. Charlie do you feel you figured out if you had to do it again you con combat these circumstances . One thing for sure and i spend a whole chapter on russia is sound the alert. They singlucceeded in hurting md theyre not going away. Theyre going to come back in every way they can to undermine our democracy, to subvert our election and at some point we need the whole country, regardless of partisanship to say, no, were going to take a hard look at whats happening at these Voting Machines and at the state level. We cant let this go on. Do i wish id understood more at the time charlie would have you called president obama and say you got to speak out on this. You didnt do that. I didnt know. I only knew what was in the public arena. Charlie this is washington post. They thought about how to respond to the Trump Campaign without making matters worse. After the surprise victory some of the obama aides looked back with regret and wished theyd had done more. Certainly you do too. In the book i try to be very clear. I understood the predicament they faced and in part they faced it because Mitch Mcconnell forced them into that predicament. Charlie youre saying the president understand the challenge. Thats right. He understand the challenge but also thought i was going to win and had his own sources of information in philadelphia and gave me a hug and said you got this. Im so proud of you. He thought i was going to win like i thought i was going to win and part of what weighed on him is mcconnells threat after congress was briefed by what the russians were doing and saying if you raise that, were going to say its partisan. He didnt want to inject partisanship into a National Security issue. Charlie and he thought i was going to win. And in retrospect we now see, a lot of the people in the white house at the time now it had a big effect and i would point to what happened up france. Because the french were put on notice by our election there was an open discussion. Were not going to let the russians win. Charlie they had to meet it head on and voters knew it. The paper is a good example of the more things change the more they stay the same. Health care bill fails. White house expands travel ban expanding to eight countries. Its still with us. Its like a pinball machine. It comes at you from all direction. What you just read is just over one weekend of tweets and actions and reactions. Im very concerned about the way the president is stoking these attacks against black athletes. While at the same time puerto rico and the Virgin Islands are in a catastrophic people. Charlie you called for the navy to help support the haitians. Theres a ship down there. Charlie back to the campaign. Did you feel you did have a campaign and understood meme people out there that lost faith in government but you didnt communicate what you believed. I did not do a good enough job in capturing the emotion and recognizing the anger. I knew it was there. Honestly, everybody talked about it. I believed people didnt want to just hear slogans but say this is what were doing to do. Charlie what did his campaign do that you didnt . I think he understood reality tv. Charlie reality tv . And paying and doing things that broke the fourth wall. Things people couldnt turn away from. He understood with his past experience with the burser nonsense there was a core constituency for that and stirred things up and i go in the book the calculations that he must have gone through, how many people have to vote in the republican primary and how many do i need to get there and they need to respond. Charlie he knew immigration was a crucial issue. He knew it was more antiimmigration and zeroing in on people starting with the mexicans, obviously, going from there. So he was very adept. And then we got on the stage with those 16 republican nominee candidates. He was so insulting to them. The attacked them personally. They were amazed and unsure about what to do and when they tried to respond they could never out bully the biggest bully on the stage. So they were not successful and then when he won he got reinforcement from other republicans who had other things they wanted to accomplish. Charlie then in his conviction we heard lock her up. Yeah, and only i can fix it and other authoritarian rhetoric. It was aimed at inciting the most visceral emotions. It made a lot of people feel like he understood them. He provided them scape goats. He felt their anger and thats a big difference. Charlie but their anger came from pain. No. You know the average charlie you dont think so . The average voter for trump in the primary was making 72,000. People making a lot loss who were suffering a lot more actually ended up largely voting for me if you take both whites and nonwhite voters. In exit polls if people were asked if you care about the economy who did you vote for . The majority said they voted for me. If you cared about immigration and terrorism you voted for trump. It wasnt resentment. It was grievance. It was anger. And i am not somebody who wants to foment anger. I think its a dangerous thing to do. He relishes it. What he said in alabama a few days ago about black athletes. It just got hoots and hollers and standing ovation. Charlie it appeals to his constituency. He gets who hes trying to reach. Charlie would you use the word deplorable. I said in the book a lot of whatever he said is deplorable. Charlie its not smart politics to condemn the people who vote for the candidate. I regretted giving him that gift but i dont think thats why i lost. And i dont think its why i ended up in the challenge i was in at the end of the campaign. Charlie did you feel you lost primarily because of sexism . No. Charlie you didnt say that . No. I think it hurt me and i think its proved sexism and misogyny are endemic in our society and i write a whole chapter on being a woman in politics and theres evidence thats come to light about how people when i say people i mean its predominantly republicans, more men than women reluctant to even imagine a woman president. I think it has a role and it wasnt just me. Charlie but the country is ready to elect a woman as president. I hope so. Charlie do you believe in your heart having seen and done what you have done in your public life and seeing the progress we have made on so many fronts this this country is ready to elect a woman as president . Well, think the evidence charlie its hard for you to say yes. Look at what theyre trying to do to Camela Harris and kirstin ferrebrand. They lift their heads up charlie you feel except for a letter from james comey youd be in the white house. I do. Charlie so the country was ready james comey didnt. With a lot of experience and ideas. I was ready to be president. Charlie and president obama said the most qualified person to ever run for president. Lets not separate out what happened at the end. You had the capacity to transcend whatever sexism you felt by winning the popular vote. I came a really long way. Im hoping we have a woman i can vote for soon. Charlie are you saying because i want to get this straight because its really an important point. You feel its at the center of our consciousness. I do. Charlie except for james comey you feel you would have won. Do you have that proof that a woman cant be elected whos had everything said about her and can rise above all the problems weve talked about, all the baggage weve talked about to be elected president of the united states. I wouldnt have ran if i didnt believe it or worked as hard as i did. Charlie do you believe it now . I do believe it now. I believe trump has unleashed a backlash of overt sexism that is really going to make the atmosphere even more charged. Any woman who wants to run for president has to go in with her eyes open. Thats why i wrote the chapter. The things he said to his only woman opponent and things he said in the republican primary. When you are subject to those kinds of constant attacks, leave the floor, senator warren, nevertheless she persisted, dont ask tough questions. Charlie did you experience that yourself . You were a senator. I did not. Charlie so you were a woman in the senate and didnt experience it but youre saying its posttrump . Its different from going to the senate the house and governorship to being president. Theres something so charged about that position in our country. And what i saw happened is that people were saying things about women in general, about me specifically, that were really out of bounds. Off limits. I couldnt believe some of the stuff being said. I remember very well when at one of his town halls center mccain was asked a pretty racist question about senator obama and he shut that woman done. We had a candidate surrounded by people saying vial things about women, me in particular. We had a convention filled with such kinds of comments. He kind of threw up the odds i was okay to say and do these things. Charlie do you think he gave cover to White Supremacists and neonazis. He goes after black athletes standing up for what they believe by their protest. Charlie that they should be fired calls them s. O. B. S. He doesnt do that to White Supremacists, neonazis. Hes very strategic about who he attacks and he is sending a message. Its a huge, loud, dog whistle to his supporters. Were still on the same wave length. Charlie i did an interview with steve bannon and he said we dont want them. Theyre such a small part of us and we dont want them and want their support and denouncing them. Hes so full of it. Breitbart, if you go back to the headlines they were running when he was running it, theyre outrageous. Look, maybe he now wants to put on a good face because what hes trying to do is build up support outside of the white house for not only trump but their larger agenda. Look what theyre doing with health care. Its a fraud. It is so cool that they are trying to force republicans to vote because part of what broo t breitbart is doing for trump so be the enforcer. He wants to make sure trump has quote, loyal republicans to further his agenda. Charlie he acknowledge but right now in an Alabama Senate race theyre on opposite sides. Except when trump went allegedly for strange and said but hed be fine with moore. It was a halfhearted endorsement. They want those folks. Charlie tell me how you see the divide in america today. Look, i think theres always been a dark under belly of american politics as Lyndon Johnson said we lost the south for a generation. Its obviously longer than that. Theres always been a pushback to expanding the circle of rights and opportunities for african american, for women. Charlie we have had a steady stream of successes. But they engendered the block back were seeing now that trump artfully has played upon. A lot of the new media, the down side of all the decentralization of media are the things that can be said on the internet and out west only small groups of people would say to themselves. When trump started retweeting from white supremacist sites they went from a couple hundred vurd viewers to thousand. When somebody running for president is given the okay. David duke said he was essential to furthering our agenda. Charlie he was in charlottesville. I think its a dance theyre doing. They serve several masters. They serve these unfortunate throwback views. But they also serve financial masters who want to use the government to further their own ends whether its a tax system that gives them everything they want or a Health Care System that ends medicaid. Charlie speaking of that, how much damage do you believe, didnt you write about this too, these questions bring out what i read in the book thank you. Charlie how much damage did Bernie Sanders do, a, because of incessant attacks on you in the primaries and yet at the same time when the general election came was not there in the way you wanted him there. And not the way you said you were there for obama. I think thats undeniable. Charlie did you confront him and say i need you. Its me or donald trump. Its time to stand up and get moving. A lot of people who supported him never came around. I worked really hard not just to endorse thensenator obama but convince my supporters. I was still arguing with my supporters in denver to make sure they got out and voted for thensenator obama. I know the difference between charlie why didnt he do it . Youd have to ask him. His attacks on me which i finally said name one example of anything youre talking about. You just keep reiterating these attacks and of course he couldnt. Democrats rejected him. I beat him by nearly 4 million votes. Charlie hes not a democrat. Hes not a democrat and thats not a slam on him but democrats were more comfortable with and supportive of what i was saying and coming from. But his attacks did feed into the whole line of attack that trump adopted against me. Charlie do you believe President Trump has any redeeming quality . As a leader i havent seen any. As a leader he says things he never fog through on and was never going to touch medicaid when john mccain stood up and voted against it and was going to vote for something better. I dont think he cares that much about policy. I dont think he studies it. He says things but has no intention to following up on. As a leader i see someone whos divisive. Charlie how about as a human being and person of value. Well, every person has value. Theres no doubt about that. Charlie so what is his value . As a said in one of his debates. Charlie hes a good family person. Well, he certainly supports his family. Yes, thats true. Charlie do you believe hes a racist . I cant look in his heart but i think a lot of what he said and has done and the charlottesville experience was chilling. He certainly has given aid and comfort to those who are. Charlie do you think hes a misogynist . Absolutely. The things he says about women and objectifies women and only interested in how they look and how they serve him and we saw on the tape confessions of sexual assault. Charlie do you believe hes sexist . I do. Heres what im most worried about. I believe he has a very deep fascination for authoritarians and in particular putin. I think he not only likes putin. I think he would like to be like putin. Charlie in what way . In the way he sees putin as this macho guy who basically gets to do whatever he wants to do in his country. And i dont think as trump himself has said understood the complexity of governing and trying to bring people together but i dont think he values democracy. Charlie he doesnt value democracy . No. Charlie hes not a Democrat Little d. Hes a topdown guy. Charlie hes authoritarian . Well charlie so hes no different than putin. Well, he hasnt ordered the killing of journalists and the like but what im concerned with is how he turned a blind eye to russias attack on us. Charlie why do you think that is . I think he had financial en tanglements with russia. Charlie do you think you would have won the election without the russian interference . I think the russian interference certainly influenced voters. We only now have information as you saw from the front page of the washington post. I cant know the role. Charlie they believed you were going to win and wanted to damage you and thought you were going to win. Charlie, having a foreign adversary. Theyre not going away. Charlie why do you think he hasnt spoken to it . It helps him today. Charlie its the eighth month into his presidency. I think he has connections with them. Charlie what kind of connections. I think financial. Charlie this is you looking at every possible thing there is. I think he has entanglements with russia and the oligarchs. I think other allegations charlie do you have reason to believe the dossier . Certain things of it have been proven to be accurate. Charlie but you definitely believe putin has something on donald trump . Either he has something on donald trump or trump things putin helped him so much hes not going turn on putin. Either one is horrifying. Charlie i would not believe the latter so much. Hes not just being nice to him because he think he helped him. The stakes are too high i would think. They know enough to know that putin helped him and why would they bite the hand that they think fed them by putting out false information, by weaponizing information, by having pose as americans who were russians with fake demonstrations. You had russians acting like americans demonstrating against me. He had a full suite of supporting activities from trump. Why would he turn his back on that . Since he doesnt believe in democracy and doesnt understand how our system works, i think he believes its like somebody else helping me. What difference does it make. I dont think he gets how serious this is. Charlie and to this day refuses to say what most people believe he should be saying about russia. Absolutely. Charlie and what people around him obviously know. They do know. And im waiting like everybody else the Mueller Investigation particularly the Senate Committee found there was an account paid in rubles. Charlie he had subpoena power. And he has people hes been following. Thats all true based on the public record. Thats right. But let me make this point. Charlie people in contact with the president. Theres lots and lots of smoke and i want to be clear about this. Whether or not anybody is indicted with the trump connection and the kremlin and everything. Charlie collusion. Well, collusions not a legal term. But theres coordination and the rest of that. Whether some part of that or all of that was proven true lets not forget whats at stake. Charlie another foreign adversary that was successful. Because they were after me in the last election doesnt mean theyll go after a republican. Charlie do you believe it will all come out because of the Mueller Investigation . I think a lot of will come out. Charlie you began off the yale on the water gate committee. You saw how they can investigate and use the power of subpoena. Remember remember, that was a bipartisan investigation. Charlie baker and sam houston. Reporter i worked on the jude i worked on the Judiciary Committee and people were open enough, honest enough, patriotic enough to view the evidence. Charlie bob mueller is the same. People say hes the same. Hes terrific. But it took a special council because theyre hardly enthusiastic. You heard about jarrod kushners email. Im waiting for them to foam like they did on mine. Charlie on the campaign did you handle it well . I didnt do anything wrong so i didnt handle it well enough to survive. Charlie people felt you didnt come forward and wouldnt acknowledg acknowledge being careless though comey used those words. Independent thirdparty people make the case, look, it was a dumb mistake but it was a dumber scandal. We got through july and what was unprecedented and unfair to the state department not just to me. We got through that and then, in comes this letter. I did well at the convention. It was positive and charlie what should comey have done . If he thought this with us serious which i have doubts how serious he thought it was. Charlie if he wrote the letter without thinking it was serious he had motive. He had not looked at anything. Charlie motive was . Thats the unanswered question. Charlie you believe he didnt know the consequences that it would have and not trying to derail your candidacy. He was under pressure from Rudy Giuliani and others. Rudy giuliani announced two days before, Something Big is happening. Charlie and you think this was it . Of course. He said so. Charlie do you believe james comey, a man much admired as an fbi director and this is what came out during the first time when he said there was no reason to go ahead people said, well, he has a lot of support and then candidate trump was criticizing and a lot of people in the fbi stood up but you think he folded under pressure and made a decision he knew would derail your candidacy . Ask yourself this. He did that to me where if he thought there was anything there to be investigated he could have asked me if i had any objection or asked others if i had an objection and announced it in a letter to congress. At the same time, hes not at all talking about the investigation that had been starte started into trump and russia. He would not join with the department of Homeland Security and national defense. Charlie he didnt disclose no. Charlie why do you think that was true . He said it was too close to the election. It makes no sense at all. On october 7, which was a big day on the campaign, it started with secretary johnson from Homeland Security and jim clapper from National Intelligence saying were concerned about activities by the russians. And people thought it was primarily about the dnc hack. We now know they knew a lot more but we didnt know at the time. Then the hollywood access tape comes out and then the russians dump the podesta headline and create a diversion which lasted the rest theft campaign. Charlie i remember before this came there was a belief you were expanding your leave. Correct . Yes. Charlie it was said if the election was held the day before you would have won. Thats my thinking too. Charlie so the conclusion is without that youd be president . Thats what i believe. Charlie more than any other thing . More than any other thing. Ill give you an example from the book. Before the letter on the 28th, there was a poll which was a reliable poll showing they was ahead by 26 Percentage Points in the suburbs of philadelphia. Now, that could not have happened without republican women, suburban voters and even independent. If you were a voter and on the 28th of october the director of the fbi says were reopening the investigation and the Trump Campaign says, bingo, lock her up, youre going to say, i was thinking about voting for her but i cant vote for her. And that went on until the sunday before the election. Charlie the question also had to be asked during the conversation if we talk about what happened during the campaign. Why didnt you go to pennsylvania, wisconsin, and michigan . I went to pennsylvania all the time and was in michigan a lot and there before the election. Charlie and minnesota . And minnesota. I did not go to wisconsin. The reason why charlie some said you didnt appreciate how it was changing. They were wrong . You have no regrets about not campaignng here in the last two weeks of the campaign more than you did . No, because i was in pennsylvania constantly. I was in michigan. I was not in wisconsin because our data plus the data of russ finegolds Senate Campaign showed he was ahead. I want to emphasize because it hits to the investigation. It blankets everything and stops the momentum. Meanwhile the wikileaks are being dribbled every day. Charlie whats the constant of the wikileaks and Trump Campaign . Because they were serving on these facebook posts, these fake news and even the charlie theyre getting the information from russians. But thats not the way it was presented. Charlie but it was true or not . The wikileaks allegations. One of the worst things was this ridiculous horrible story that based on a single line from john podesta that said hes going out for pizza, these total rightwing people made up the story he was running a child Traffic Operation a total lie and somebody came up to rescue the children but it was all over the children. Charlie it shows you the information and the power its so powerful and all over dark post that are there and disappear. Charlie what president obama talked about one of the primary concerns he was worried about. And then there were terrible lies about the clinton foundation. We know affected people because one reporter from the post charlie they got favors with you as secretary state. This was much worse. That we took money from the foundation. The foundation paid for our daughters wedding. Totally made up horrible stuff but Wayne Kessler said i kept hearing anecdotally the people decided not to vote for her. Charlie he works for the washington post. People werent going to vote for her because they read about all this. This was well coordinated and well coordinated because a lot of it charlie coordinated by . Thats the question. Charlie who do you believe coordinated . This book is about you not having anything to lose. Somebody associate with the Trump Campaign was able to geographically and personally target people based on their facebook profiles and based on, i think, working the google ranking of subjects and was able to deliver that. We saw charlie who do you believe . Whether it was the Trump Campaign or Cambridge Analytica or the rnc you believe they had fake news to impact the election. Somebody who understood targeting in a president ial campaign and delivering the fake news messages did that. Look, im done and not running again. Charlie this is why you can say what you think. Im sounding the alarm. Im very worried about what the russians got away with and the the precedent it sets. Im afraid of facebook being the biggest News Platform in the world being unable to figure out what propaganda is use to influence the election. Charlie it seems like Mark Zuck Zuckerberg has gotten the message. How she is he going to rein this in . Charlie have you called for an independent commission . With subpoena power. It also needs to be public. What the special council is doing so determine if theres a crime and an open hearing. Charlie appointed by . Some members of congress and the white house and make sure it is sort of the 911 commission. That was a good model 9 11 model. Charlie do you think donald trump will be reelected . I hope not. Charlie do you think hell serve four years . I dont know the answer to that either. I think part depends on whats uncovered and how the public react. Not everything wrong has a legal remedy. Some is just politics. There very well could be a conclusion that all this stuff that happened with russia, maybe we need better disclosure, maybe facebook needs better controls but it didnt fit any criminal statute we currently have unless its the foreign funding . Charlie thats the only statute they could have violated . Thats the conclusion. Im not talking about obstruction of justice and whatever manafort was up to. Charlie and what mueller is looking into. But what we do to combat russia, that may not have criminal remedies. Its going to require us worki as americans to prevent it in the future. Charlie and were just beginning to understand the extent of it and the skill on the other side. The russians have had a lot of practice. As the a description of called active measures of what they do to insinuate propaganda and destroy reputations in now particularly to manipulate the online world to their advantage. This should be a big wakeup call for all of us. Charlie for more visit us online at pbs. 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