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blackstock? >> i think we're in a different time now than we were a few weeks ago when the mask mandates were lifted. the delta variant was not the dominant variant. it's a totally different situation. while those guidelines were definitely evidence based, i do think the cdc should have provided more guidance to local and state governments. i do think this is a dynamic situation, this pandemic. we're going to see ebbs and flows of this virus and we should expect localities and states to respond accordingly. >> dr. offit, as we wrap up this conversation, is this what awaits as we head into the winter, people having to wear masks again indoors whether they're vaccinated or not? >> i think that's what it's going to boil down to. it's dependent on the community, which is why it's hard for the cdc to offer a blanket recommendation for the united states. i do think it's going to be community to community communities that are highly vaccinated, you're going to be