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>> i will say immigrants are the backbone of our economy, and i do wonder if there's been enough defense of the integral role they play in propping up our country. >> yeah, for sure. i think, what i always say to people think about the immigrant you know and do they fit the narrative of the trump administration or president trump is putting out there, that they're all gang members they're not. and you know it when you think about the immigrants you know. i think the polarization has led us away from basic solutions like pathways for workers, more asylum officers to screen the system, and force people's hands into this kind of extreme measure. >> yeah, let's not forget our shared humanity and shared fates. thank you so much. it's really great to get your perspective on a complicated issue. that is our show for tonight. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is coming up next. president joe biden is set to meet with world leaders and veterans to mark the