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Time you do an exoneration case where theres been a false confession. Its like trying to write a try. So everybodys already against you. The person has been convicted by a jury thinks hes guilty. The jury thinks hes guilty. Now you have to convince everybody that theyre wrong. So ok, so youre deeply grass. There is a case of an alien who has been in prison for 20 years. Renee lynch was a case we took about 2 and a half now maybe 3 years ago now. And she was accused and convicted of killing her leg and lauren in buffalo, new york in 1900. And its also obviously a false confession cases. The police are going crazy and if they cant solve it, 18 months go by. And bernies connection to the victim was that it was her landlord. And so they are start looking into renee, who at the time was heavily addicted to drugs crack cocaine. And because she gets arrested for Something Else and they start interrogating her. And she confesses to killing her landlord. With this guy karim. So she says kareem, and i went to my landlords house. We were going to rob her. The robbery goes bad, and kareem stabs her. Shes a century can make it a felony, murder being present during the commission of a crime, and somebody gets killed. We started sort of doing, you know, just regular google searches on the players names and detectives and everything in this t. V. Show. Women behind bars comes up and theyve done an episode case where they got in the, in the prison and interviewed her. And then interviewed this joseph court was the cop on the case the way her body when she was time to go in truth, i believe her confession is kind of nonsense. Theres inconsistency between the physical evidence and what she says. And during the show he says, well, i mean, we knew that Corinne Walker was in florida at the time of our crime. Kareen was of the time i guess they knew Kareem Walker was in florida at the time the crime then renes confession cant possibly be true because shes confessing to going to rob the landlord with kareem and the defense been able to put that on her confession would have made no sense that the defense was never told the whole thing is so full of holes and so bogus. I cant put my finger out and say like, you know, this is the thing. But i think if we dug in it, we could find that thing that could get her out because its all its just all of it. So its messed up. How do they record this confession . I didnt know, i mean, did they make her write a statement . They typed it up and then read it to her majors. So there is a type of confession is the only version of confession. There is no like original notes. They have or something. I wonder about. She says she knew details about the crime scene because they showed her photos of it. Details that she know how the body was lying there, showing her those photos of some kind of new evidence that didnt exist at the time of the trial or didnt, didnt exist. At the time of the trial, but it wasnt known right. And it wasnt presented during the trial. And then we have to show that if it had been, could have likely been a different outcome. I think we can, but its going to be hard. Our goal is of course to get renee out of prison, but it can take a really long time, sometimes many years. And one of the 1st things we do in cases like this is to comb through the confession and find all the consistencies to clearly show that the confessions. And if theres a cream walker drove me to the plan was i was going to go into the front door and karim was going to come up the back door. He was going to tie her up with a piece of white extension cord that he brought with him at babson time, kareem hit louise in the side of the face. Emilys fell to the floor and kind of went out. If that happened, he would be standing punching her here, right. On cream head here in the face, he knocked the wig off. The wig landed on the floor in the kitchen kitchen. He tried to tie louise up with the plastic already has then cream comes from behind. Louise. He stabbed her at least twice. However, we know its 8 times louise fell to the floor. Again. It was a large amount of blood on the floor next to her body. So the only thing she gets right is that the witness knocked off. That theres a plastic cord involved in this case is correct and the phone cord is where the extra d. N. A. Is. Missin is gene fisher byron nelson, rene lynchs attorney. I have a call with her this morning. Oh, good things. How i know why theyre quite a lot. I know its hard. Ill remain went to trial. She testified been very incoherent. Lee. She was high during the trial. You know, it was, she was not a good witness for her. So she recanted right away afterwards. And her confession is it was a coerced. When i talk to about this, theyre like, well, i would never cross a contests where people say, ive been talking about this for 30 years and thats the 1st thing. Everybody says i get it or wouldnt happen to me. Its not one time the person that gives a false confession. We all fall into the circumstance of interrogation. We are all there have been some training to text us. Ive spoken to who say i can get anybody to confess to any shit from any of the lobos that they have a 95 percent confession, right . Conceivable. Unless youre a lesser near perfect, at identifying the perpetrator, that is every suspect you identify is the perpetrator, right . If youve got a confession rate at that level, you produce an awful lot of false confessions the renee lynch, when i talked to her about it, she explained to me, i was so shocked that they convicted me. She said, because there was no evidence of a confession so powerful it can stand alone. So heres the jury. On the one hand, theyve got the confessions alone and theyve got d. N. A. Confessions trumped the d. N. A. Changes. Everything is sometimes not like in the final product of a confession to hollywood production is scripted by the Police Theory of the case is rehearsed and lights, action camera ready to go. And thats what the jury sees. They dont see the whole production. They just see the final. I dont see how the judge or a jury can look past a false confession. Is that also presents we have a number of documented cases in which the person who falsely confessed actually came to believe the lie that they were told about their own behavior. Which is a whole nother level of insanity. And some of them believe it for a long time afterwards. Right here in the melted thompson case, we had he was a danish inturn who came to danish, he was a College Student studying to become, a teacher. And he came and interned at i. P. S. , which is really, you know, like a 20000. 00, a year preschool up by the u. N. And it was a code teacher who accuses me of molesting all the kids in the class. And hes on the cover of the daily news. They take his focus, his facebook profile pictures, him with his niece on his shoulders. So they put that on the cover of the daily news and write sex monster. And they go arrest him in the morning and bring him into the station and they have a female cop interrogate him. She tells him, well, you know, we have video of you molesting these kids, which they had videos, but hes not molesting anybody. So they had this woman who accused him, had taken videos of him in the classroom, interacting normally with children. And so either the cops had watched it or they had watched it and were blatantly lying to him, but there was no video of him molesting kids, but he hears that right. And he thinks holy, well, if im on video, i must have done it right. They let him continue to believe this lie that hes caught red handed on tape molesting these kids. And i think that, that, you know, he started, you could tell through the whole, when they finally are recording him. Hes doubting himself. You know, hes, hes wondering, did i do this during the vietnam war, u. S. Forces also bombs in neighboring laos. There was a secret war. And for years the American People did not know that we bombed a country per capita. Millions of unexploded bombs still in danger lives in this Small Agricultural country. Jordyn wieber even today kids in laos full victims of bombs dropped decades ago. Is the us making amends for that tragedy and what help to the people need in that little land on stacy fill out the fight. 9 thank you for destroying. Thats that slavery. Mr. Thompson, can you tell me why . You know, im here because in order for inappropriate behavior, it was ok. So why dont you tell me privately and how this started . What happened . You know what you know well and remember to send you a few moments about it and then proceed to have taken its place and playing around to insular in my shorts you know, short of Going Forward in that or question where we were going. And so what, when you say gave you pleasure at one time that the central of it would have to be i dont know, you know, im a member of this leg of it. And if you read out the statement i did, thats your handwriting. And it just went and over briefly, does it look like its been changed in any way . And thats your signature at the bottom. Because you made those out here today, theyre going to show you the camera. I dont even think people in the us really get that the police are allowed to lie to you. I think most people would think that if i am speaking to a police officer, hes telling me the truth. But now to times, i mean in denmark, its illegal for the police to lie to you. So he really, i think, was really says extra susceptible to Something Like that. It took us filing the civil rights suit to even get access to these tapes. The District Attorney wouldnt give it to us when the criminal case was pending. We asked the court, we moved for a court order to get at the judge just wouldnt give it to us. But they sat on these tapes for 8 months. He had this case hanging over his head and they knew that there was nothing in the tapes. Right. There was the only evidence there was yes, luckily mel to never got convicted right. We were able to stop it before that happened. But it took, i mean, it almost killed him Sexual Abuse Involving very Young Children were brought to the attention. And did you ask me District Attorneys office to thoroughly investigate any involved into your children . Particularly in this instance previous film at preschool ages and one of the 2 just missed this case after carroll and gather in our extensive investigation. We have to have you know, have you ever seen anybody use like a piece of a foam court to prop up the waves or put it just all the way forward to . I dont know if i have a case where there is a piece of foam cord found inside of why would you have a phone cord in a way to use it later on your head to give them a little for a little breaks or if theyre flat because if there is some kloof in the hair, its not like its like just like a like 3 to 4 inches of phone cord 10 days case, were trying to get permission to test all the old evidence for d. N. A. But to do that, we have to collect as much information about her innocence as we possibly can. Go back and interview all the witnesses, documents, go back to the crime scene. I keep coming back to this thing that the cops knew. He was in florida and kept going with the story that they did together like wife, if they know hes in florida, why dont they like your life . Youre lying to us because hes in, we know hes in florida. Why dont they are confronted by hearsay . That how can they be permitted to go forward with a serious of a case that they know is not true. Name names and trial basically matter. So thats why thats trickery. And the only way to convict somebody of this was to do it that way. Yes. It just makes me so jaded and really disgusted with the District Attorneys offices. And i feel like, you know, the, you know, theres supposed to be at the top of the chain right there. Its supposed to be the ones making sure the cops made mistakes, or people below the cops made mistakes, then theyre the ones who are responsible for fixing it. Why not do d. N. A. Testing . Think why not me . Were all, were not infallible. We can all make mistakes. Why not check . I mean, her names going to be in prison for the rest of her life. Why not just check . You know, they can never answer that question. So you just end up in court with, you know, them opposing your motions for d. N. A. Testing and unending ability gating instead of working together in renes case, its especially frustrating because, i mean, they certainly believe that this was done. Not the stabbing was not done by her, right. So there is a set, i mean, theyre basically admitting that they have a cold case and theres a murder out there, and they still dont want to do it. You know, its did 2 people either 2 people or somebody other than renee, committed that crime. And that person is out and about, and d. N. A. Contesting could show who they are, but theyre still posing as am you know, the central park jogger case was my 1st interaction with false confessions our firm represented corey wise on his civil rights case way to start i mean, youre diving right into the bed there. You know, the circumstances that play in that case were huge amount of pressure on the police and the authorities to make arrests and make actual traitors. Step forward. 7 years in prison was one of most notorious crimes in the history of new york city. It was a crime in which a woman who was a wealthy Upper East Side investment banker, was out jogging, and was dragged into the woods in central park and almost beaten to death. And there was front page news every day, everywhere. And they are out to get arrests and they got him when you get to the false confessions, in that case, it was a classic, you know, mismatch. They were totally overmatched, underrepresented, if represented at all. I dont know what the could the core even have anyone in the room with now is going to be 16. So he was considered an adult, sadly. And so his mom was not allowed in there and they, you know, had given them lawyers, they all waived their, their miranda rights rights. Where you live, christine says that its this is very, very serious in this neighborhood. We dont know. Are there any way to use an example, you say youre seeing, there are stages and surely you can see where this point is. It is hard for people to understand how this can help the produce a confession, something they didnt do. And there really is a complicated set of stories. There is no one really so you know, corey was confessed to get out of this bad situation. He was under pressure from many, many hours. He was likely be told that others were giving stories and that to, to cooperate in order to go home. And it is very telling in the central park 5 case that every one of them, every one of the boys and every one of the parents who were present were surprised. The boys were arrested after their statements. Every one of the time i was going home, right . Well, you know what, that sounds crazy right here. Thought you were going or confess to a rape and go home. Right. But you know that one false confessors were interviewed afterward, and theyve been exonerated. And the 1st question, everybody wants those, i dont understand why dont you confirm the most typical response . Because i want to go home. Innocent people often say afterwards, you know, i was so tired, i was so stressed, i figured lets sign this confession. Itll all work itself out. In the end. The, detectives often say, you know, we have d. N. A. , were going to send them to the lab. They think that claiming they have t. N. A. Love is a way to scare the criminal into submission. It may be right, but if the person youre talking to is not the criminal but an innocent person, then the law becomes a promise of future exoneration. Makes it easier to confess. Right . Reynolds, hey, were going to do some tests. Were actually apply the samples from a lot. If i just let you know that if we do that, we will probably get an order to take a sample from you. And then well compare it to tests or this area because youre in position now where if you know that theres an to be a match, you better off. Tell us about it. Now, instead of saying something thats natural or one of the things i think they may just say was that you cut her on the legs and where did you, how did you come up with that . I dont know came from no, i dont know, because youve made it up. I dont know where it came from. I dont know on election night, you may know whether the margin for the winner is so large that it is impossible for the defeated candidate to catch on. So there may still be 10000 votes to count them, but the margin is 80000 votes and it doesnt matter if all 10000 votes went for the defeated candidate, they cannot possibly catch up and thats where we are today. Joe bidens margin is so large in all of the states that are being contested, that even though some of the states have not finished counting, they still know who won. 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