The interior minister hasnt answered him yet. The western establishment is not too keen on discussing, especially on record, some of the inconvenient details that have come out about their neo nazi proteges. Countess ottawa, citizen newspaper reported that the Canadian DefenseDepartment Officials who went over and trained them in ukraine, had notice neo nazi and nazi symbolism and tattoos. But instead of ditching the Training Mission in saying, um maybe this is a such a good idea. They just obsessed instead over the press potentially finding out about it and focused on that cnn. And also recently chatted with a trade fighter and apparently could not be bothered to ask about the symbol that he was literally wearing right on his forehead. They have no time from chair assessments to that statement. It will be here. Well, theres only a very the store yet for me as like a blue. So there is also been talk of the u. K. Hiding part of an intel report that deals with returning British Foreign fighters probably coming back from you frame but you, after did you solve that through what looks like a giant scale across the page. And the Russian Foreign ministry warrant that western weapons to key as were already be used against French Police during the french riots here a few weeks ago. So all these alarm bells are going off in every direction, even as these fighters are mostly still busy, with their a neo nazi activity date over in ukraine. But what happens when its all over . Are they all just way to kick back with a few beers when they get home . They dont really strikes me as a tight b personalities and the time to just chill . Well, cause the throw for questions. Why . Why some media portray is not see symbols on that wall. Know thing that how to avoid when suddenly putting soldiers this is something new. We have seen this already, 2014, the german for example, where they show crazy and so just with as, as symbols of the elements. So this is nothing you and theres so much of it in that region that its hard to not to filaments and some other questions, whether the comments or what code one professional is because they avoid that this is not c regime and that, that, and thats a Simple Survey out there and they show them themselves and then what to say about. So thats quite funny. Yeah, i will call it professional, but again, theres so much of it that its hard to avoid. It says everything about the nature of this. I was even though i was in the base of the valuable and the evening icons with people. So theres everything you want that even more that the germans have. So its something that you see thats the point of the Technology Dot com. Those are interesting stories that we will be back in just on the, the, [000 00 00;00] the one of the great histories and the treasures of the world. And one of the largest of the positive stuff is right here in the baltic sea. So we are in the region, trying to word all the we can about this smoking goal, the, the company that i live domestic. Before we Start Talking about what your father accomplished. Id like to address the accusation that ben bella was a dictator. If you look back through all of these years, was he really dictated by the holidays and what the lead . And youre not that as a smith and bella was by no means that dictates that thats what it other than when he was such and they never dictated to him. He was very democratic for you. And she believed very strongly that women should be independent and free. And this was very important to me. My mother, his wife, was a well known journalist, known for have you b, i, how was shots gift views . Yes, trotsky. Yes. She found dishonest about the struggle between stalin and trotsky, for the main thing was lost and i think we can see bad weather. I had been bella was a dictator and not for the 3 years he wasnt power. Im not sure how can we call him and dictates a who was trying to build a country that story. How would you of course, my father made some political decisions that were not understood by many people at the time. But there was no other choice than that. So which decisions . For example, this is sions, on whom to form coalitions with initial terms, and with whom it was the countrys best interest to for long time ties, a country on the path of destruction after the friendship ended. And of course, the perilous states, as we call them, the european states and from student belief algeria could leave without them. They came out. Of course, they tried to hum, ill cheer it in naturally possible way for you. How did your father live out his last days . In the fall, the lifting out, jerry and his final days as he traveled the lot was chairman of the panel of the wise in the african union. He was busy and travelled to launch, trying to establish interrupt for can relations especially with respect to controversial issues. Consent and war to result says that was part of his main work. His, all the job was a lead to a Non Governmental Organization related to the un, the assembly of the south. He also house president , beautifully catalog and the shelf National Reconciliation. He was very busy despite his age and that kind of thing. Yeah. I knew who a model. He was also famous for smiling. Been a whole but sure. Yes, he was a very small it person you could say smile never left his face. Mary. Very smiley very sociable he left last very much. He loved to read it. Could you read 3 books a week . Uh, we hope we will see of love to music. I was wondering if it was a life loan and pass and he said that he spent almost 25 years in prison on the death sale to change him. So she instead of 25 years among his enemies, do i do well. Tell me as with his am perilous and colonial list enemies and 15 with people down close to him with his old julian browsers and from the city. And um, so that we will return to the store a little later. And then um it been bella never wrote a memoir, was that on principle, the fewest categorically gaps that i tried to pass to at him. So yes, i tried to pass, he had him to write down his memories on condition that they would only be published off to 20. 50 or 60. Yes maam, but he was categorically against it. When he said he was not the ones who tried the course of history and that he couldnt write about himself, he said it was a matter for academics. A few months after around jerry, his declaration of independence. He visited the rock and tried to speak to a large gathering of people. 10, but his arabic let him down and he almost cried. The the incident was captured on film. But after that, he began to speak arabic, perfectly habits of how to be interesting. Does it look like he didnt know airbag and had difficulty learning at you headed out . Id be, id let my bizarre. Oh, but 1st of all, there were no arabs codes, and algeria and all the schools were french. What have risen was felt in french can you can only find arrow, they can book. So writers who had started the koran for many years, he attended schools attached to mosque and local self governmental bodies. Uh yes. And the schools in secondary schools, there was only french and there was no other vacant, told me to do the learn arabic. And so here on to prison, unfortunately, his spelled the 1st 7 years of imprisonment and sole treaty in solitary confinement. So if you have some solitary confinement in gods has to be way, the only book that he was allowed to have was the crown. Perhaps look, you rather memorized it, which task improved his arabic had to start. We should be grateful to the curriculum that he was allowed to have dispute and cant even when it is improved, his knowledge and comprehension of the language and allowed him to memorize the text by how many families, how for them, if we compare and then bell is condition of imprisonment in the french, and ill jerry and prisons in the prison of enemies and the prison of his brothers was the attitude towards him about the same job either come down to this question because i wasnt born in a french prison to leave for me i was born and teary in prison as i think there are differences and what differences i dont know exactly what the differences with what i would say they existed was he imprisoned a poor under house arrest, look and miss g was imprisoned in a cell in the military guards house 5 young julians and the ship the soon as you now do you are you it wasnt a place called the way it i pay its gonna ask if it was a guard house at the military base. A military base slamming and he was going to find in a cell which he could not play of some food if it was only allowed to half our work. A few years later there was a god who watched him and brought him food. And he, this was a range so that he couldnt talk and would lose his mind. Go mad for cinco la, he didnt. What did your father tell you . How does he manage to maintain his sanity . I think my father was very religious today. And you have sarah storm space and no luck and very strong. And he always had home the leaves of these herb all his life in iceland and then put in, well, even in his final days he had hope and amazing patients for the specially strong space. And then what i said was your father married when he was sent to the french prison and later to the l julian prison. She had column with, as always, you know, the wedding story is very interesting. Beautiful and remind take a little must see is it then my father got married when he was in prison. Well, what was left of 70 is he had the right to dates. Can you give us visited, getting in the french prison . No. Theyll jerry in prisons if you didnt get married to him. He was in the french prison since he got married to him. He was over 50 years old. She was quite occupied with l. G. R and revolution and he married the revolution. He married the revolution as did itd be tre, him like eas. So lets look at how thats complicated. So i dont agree with you, man. So the revolution put him in jail, just like the french did. Yes, the revolution put him in jail, but they brought this up more to blame for that than the revolution. It wasnt the revolution that put him in jail. Some of the faces of the revolution. By the way, how was his marriage made possible . It was entitled to one visit to months. How do you usually these lumps have us visited by front of his and his wife out or so i did. My fathers mother was still alive back to them. Its just that the she wanted to see how son get married, his men, he just sloughed adults. That was my grand father visited him every 15 days to just do the conditions where i just go because the christmas stuff is less than a very nice for you. But that was the situation in the prison, but my friends wife jokingly told my father that she would find him a bride as if she was friends with my mother, suffer salami. She was the same as gentlest with a french language held during newspaper revolution. After con, she lean towards trotsky ups to use and didnt like my father, and hes supposed to take square, much as what your mother, my mother was almost against him politically. But my friends told her, im taking you on a day to with ben bella. She managed to bring her over to the barracks to put them are. They talked for an hour and there was chemistry to as allowed to met him 3 times. And after the set time they asked for mary jane and i was getting president. Boom it, dan agreed, and she must be crazy. He said, let him marry him and live with him in the barracks. Uh then shell let him know if 70 s of soul chicken farm and didnt drive him crazy. So no one can be crazier than his wife. The wife will come and live with him for as a 2 days a month. And then he will go mad, but hes less stayed with him for 7 years. A matter of 2 is allowed to leave the barracks once a month to visit to family after the marriage, they gave my father a 2nd room, so they have to do a lot for the to my mother to and half of the bathroom. And so the kitchen where is on one of the rooms was a bedroom, and then when i was born, they gave us the said room one of us, which became the living room alone, or she was allowed to have books there. So you were there 1st child . Yes, i was born in the barracks and lived there until was 5 and a half years old. Comes to sing. I was left to walk around the bags. Mostly i was polite, one day, a week of the soldiers who are eaten assessment kind of food i liked and i would go eat with them and it was the other days of the week. I was rude. You 8 with soldiers . Yes, but the soldiers couldnt, and you were polite on the days when they served food that you like . I like setting dishes. Yes, i was rude with never. Those were and stuff. So you were hostile, very hostile. Yes. They were loose from the prison. When that was 5 and a half years old, much every year for a year, relief time, the house, the rest, and the town of, im a sailor model where he was to assess time and my father finally got to see all the people in them. Know people could come and visit him, but he couldnt go outside, you know, throughout the year when 5000 or 6000 people came to visit him every day. And then he was completely released. One year later we left cells uria. My father decided not to go back to the country. Did you go to france . On so fast . We went to france to create to the m d a policy. And they all had a movement of democracy in algeria to assess the chevy the he also found it out by the a great magazine that you should have had about him. I know it was, i shot the yes out, but deal with the course. And when he was in france, after being released from the brothers prison, he began his international in arabic activities within 11 friends for a long time. We stayed there for no more than 18 months. And then you moved to geneva. Yes, we moved to geneva since the old year, and so it puts a lot of pressure on us and they demanded that i sent them. Bella lee from so were left for switzerland, suite of switzerland to accept an authentic vandella. And then he began his political activities. Lets talk about it, then. Bell is efforts and went on. But what did he do . What efforts did he make the, i mean, what are the highlights for that you . How long did you get to the 50, the low to the less than america in the arabic . Well, so what a lot of the there are things that we can talk about send those that are classified to the you. There are also things that i dont know about the show that among the things that we can talk about there is i think the fact that your father played a role or want you to play a role in helping you rock avoid the disastrous, more of 1991 when iraq invaded kuwait after that, the usa and their allies brought together around half a 1000000 troops to make iraq pull out of quail. And the rest is history. The that was the beginning of the end of the really rock. Well, could we talk about that in detail . There is little information, but my father is a known model for model. Some people know about it. My father has visited a rock frequently. He had to a certain extent, a very close relationship with shut down his same to mal law, have messy on him. So my father got a cold from roland duma, who was foreign minister on the president phone. So i me to run this. So if you wanted my father to talk to sit down, say you dont do much, you asked him to help the way. My father once you rock him present, then set on whos st. Promised my father to withdraw from quays to my father, called roland to mine from the suite. And then my father was in a rock monday. I talked to wrong and they received a phone call about set them withdrawing, yet still be attached to him the next day. That was in february 1991. Yes, my father was with saddam. Oh my goodness. I knew nothing about him for 2 weeks. It is just like there was only able to leap through wrong with the help of the rock his through iran with i can. Yes, but he was in a rock when the last, the attack against that of the french coal. The merit comes. How can the sound that saddam had promised my father to leave iraq . No, so the americans have our would never be okay with that. And that way i can then, i mean again, they would have continued the offensive and, and the circumstances whether saddam would pull out of kuwait to not. And i mean, of course, they came with half a 1000000 troops arms to the fullest. So what sadly had been bellows to them. Whos saying roland, do mount and make 2 rounds has passed away the truth and took many secrets with them. Maybe the European Party is still keeps it secrets alive. Yes, right. There are kaiser their archives documentation and freedom of speech patrolling. Do you my didnt to play a role in trudys didnt will time. He wasnt playing a role against iraq. The deluxe. So they told the american stuff to sit on was leaving. Most adults is having fun and see what they can afford. So im on the same day with my father told them on. Sure. Do you remember what date less . No, no, i cant remember a no can. Yeah, i mean, i only recall i was with my mom and we talked to him over the phone to the phone when youve talked to him while he was in baghdad. Yes, he was in bunk, dogs, them, and then communication was gone. 2 days later, the woman that is in 2 days when the talks are wrong, that is 2 days before the attack. You yes, 2 or 3 days the place . No. Yes. In the run up to the invasion of iraq, that is early in the 3rd millennium, and well see the diet. Did your father have the strength to play that role that you can feed those who have the sets in a row communication with lots of european political sake as she has seen and or been, you know, can you talk to them at the home . Do you have communication with Saddam Hussein and well try because these are my mothers, these confused. Okay. Did many things, but unfortunately them took them to the efforts were not successful. He also knew many arab leaders didnt he . They i thats how thatd be. Ok. No kidding. Yes, he has great relationships with mama could now see it shouldnt then get it. But it was the when i now the latest, but the passed away before him. I couldnt see a do you know what . I can a mazda moment, so a full yes. They passed away before him in most that are big countries. He was treated with Great Respect and all levels. The speaking of brotherly relationships with arabic countries for and how to be. What was ben bellas attitude towards morocco and mother . Were there any problems in their relationship back then . No, no, no. She told us today in the 92 and 6 days there was a slight problem who is has some of the 2nd the my father had the dream of the crate that are big, small grow. Yeah. New americans are loved brothers, west very close, both gold trillion historically menu americans and algeria is, has a mix finally as well. One country, yes he dreamed about the great arabic monk for father came back. But he had great relationship with ken mohammed, the statesman, who to a large extent helped belgian or in revolutions the area. Uh the mall of do nasir was sylvia unions. Number one, ally in africa. I mean, it was also a great liable area. Yes, algeria to do to have, did you father see him as an ally of the soviet union . Much in the same way she had been to the soviet union and is that correct . Yes, he did visit the ussr and he was very much out of it with him of the minds youve pushed for both economic and military partnership between the 2 countries. Got a lot of kids that are absolutely, can they just use traumatize economically, socially, politically, for what hes friendship with russia was not based on having to call them. And the main use of the peaches truly loved the russians and he had no fear. So your father returned. Tell jerry when political life got revitalized and multi Party Politics squared introduced . Correct . Yes. And did you come back to start a new already . No, he already had this policy. So he wants to reorganize it from within the yes one where its on sale, jerry. Yeah, hes spotty was a radio major player. So there was some issues with the is with us. And my father felt that the overall well being of the country was more important and then the interest of just one party. So he gave it up and joined the effort to whats national and reconciliation them. 10 are to with some painful years now. Then. So how did i should i didnt oh yeah, you have some fortunately those 10 years they were bloody. And not only will the bloods eat their words, savage states and for entire generations. No food with the peoples minds for families, for the lovely hertz, for the middle is you will upset t as in one decade. What role would you say your father played and the National Reconciliation move him . Imagine one as long as several stripes from this last movement to more than this change of islam all have trusting him. Suppose if his views and the president brought to sleep, reached out to my father. I have conversations with him, the many agreements between the elements and my father were reached and i was very house enough to that president would just like i carried out his plan for National Reconciliation. If you attended the russia, africa summit and st. Petersburg. And now youre here in moscow, so some of the participants of the forum, our children and grandchildren of African Leaders and revolutionaries. So would you consider forming a union warrant association of some sort together . No, but to assist a more. And so we do need Something Like that. However, instead of being political in nature, it should be more of a cultural association. And so it goes to tackle social issues and humanitarian asia. So it could improve africas image globally and bring the africans closer together. Yeah, i mean, after all, as a continental, africa should represent all of its people as a single entertainment on african must be stronger in order to express in our own way, our independence, our identity and culture. Do you expect the children and grandchildren of African Leaders to join you . Do you expect any of good off these relatives to join . You may to look at the scene and i hope they would need from them, hopefully ducks or ration. Dr. Saves good. Ill see you would join us, so the rest of the group has to be on that side. So it does have highly time. Well see. Yeah, yes. And if that happens here, the children of leaders whose countries were devastated by the arrogant colonizers would have done em, id will be able to claim their rights as representatives of these ravaged countries to restore justice on behalf of their fathers, patrice lymphoma. And one more good off you were brutally murdered, treated like criminals. But even a criminal should stand trial 1st, but its good off you committed crimes in his own country. He should have been brought to trial in a fair libyan court. Not face and made a lynch mob. The president remember, committed no crimes against his own people. He fought for his peoples independence for freedom, but he was murdered in cold blood. In american intelligence agencies shot down the plain of the un secretary general. Doug, how my shoulder, who wanted to find a solution to the congo problem, because it was not in americas interest to have the matter solves to know, cuz we still see this american French Colonial brutality across the globe. Shouldnt these dogs be brought to justice . And it is our rights, the rights of all african arab asian, unless american countries add up to the amount of compensation for these crimes and little difficult. But that, that we was as loud su once said, it was a journey of a 1000 miles begins with a single step. If your mother were alive, she would have liked that saying she would have loved it inside. Shed have been so inspired by it. She might have started to protest, in any case, were really happy to see you in moscow in the corner of the and about Saint Petersburg and Saint Petersburg. The city is like an outdoor museum. I hope that future summons focus even more on the african continent of the one a willing the a, a, a, the the, the, the gym. And so just deal with the, with the one with taking the picture. They were proud of the muscle better and ready to leave, to go in your mouth, because i didnt recommend your opinion there. Know that he got dirty away, or i actually was who i see on google. Okay. And with and then almost a week ago, and then well get to bundle the, the general say to us, just love the screen. But is this indeed reality . Last, theres never been to the did you purchase a i did you please give us a time to time prize size and call you to do this yourself. If its your stats, i see v as in and spoke up. This is a very Bold Decision by the gym and government to even stop because he is when the agreement was reached, gena, they did more divisions and more and got more questions or more of those they are using to pay us what they are giving us just go to the persian countries and they always have not been support youve called so what has been happening here . It will open it up under a xbox. The next thing it will be them full then also have to pay the we have this to boom on tenderness in the united states. Weve exported it now to the world because of Multi National corporations and weve damaged the belief that babies needs be nurtured and cared for and loved. And, and so youve got a whole bunch of traumatized people all over the world with post Traumatic Stress disorder that dont owe money to the, [000 00 00;00] the very reasonable level of west africa, nations known as echo us or the department of its done by many people suggesting included into the in the jap village is classified document obtained by the American News outlet reveals, washington pushed to remove the practice on the form of 5 mess and wrong con. Power lost. It is 5 minutes. And the regularity survives, of both of no time for the cold on allegations i do know every wireless and release, the pool,