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So, this is time for the west to replace the best options for the ukraine watch awards, and what, what those options look like. What is us strategy when it comes to iraq for almost 200 years, americans have generally been stuck with 2 political choices, but cannot ever change because it comes with us politics developed and like the fine change phase un headquarters this week world lead as a gathering in new york for the 78th un general assembly, among them is the ducts. Prime minister mach router is leading his countrys delegation for the last time of the 13 years in power. The netherlands longest, subbing Prime Minister is leaving office for the dispute about immigration. The lead to the collapse of his Coalition Come on this edition of toll to alger 0 will be examining roots. His political and diplomatic legacy is known to be a resilient operator with a nickname test along the prime and us the netherlands mock route to talks about the mock route to the Prime Minister of the kingdom within edmunds. Thank you for talking to out you 0. Thank you for having you have the 2nd longest serving leader in the European Union that youll the longest ever Prime Minister in your country. Then thats all that unless youve done 4 different coalition governments, youve got the nickname, i believe, test longmont because youve managed to survive for so long this time that youve decided not to try and form another coalition government, youre going to send down why ive now done this for 13 years and the government doesnt of able to continue in july because we have some difficult political issues around migration. And then of course i have to make up my mind what i wanted to run again for a fist durham. And i decided after certain, yes, it is also the time to do something else. No, no re country of course has a parliamentary system. But when you look at the parliamentary systems, you look at leaders like you installed a bug no way 8 years in the u. K model. Sacha 11. Tony blair. 10 australia. John, how is 11 years old criteria and canada . 1070 the children thompson is i think the be you back home at 16 years more of a cold and i think a lot of years ago its 16 years. Absolutely. Its a natural time for this and its like you get tired of the job. Well that they get taught of you. I think they get tired of me and thats what i did not just get tired of the job, but i felt somehow and its, its difficult to thats a gives you an intellectual explanation is also a bit of a got feel thats when the government have to step down and i was thinking thats weekends after the friday night when things went wrong or what should i do . And on the sunday morning, i must say their boss is sort of fixing the where i gave to the conclusion. Lets, lets stop and do something else. And then thats, it takes some time to extra november, then you have to form a new government. So youre, youre still stuck with me for some time, not in the lens. You have a problem entry system as we say. But you also have a system which is built on coalitions we as on like some other countries, you have a policy, the system, not the 1st post. The post system will ask you about that sort of system because it means that you rule with a capitalist, definitely people who are your political bibles. How difficult is that sometimes to confide in people to work with people very closely. And then moments like to that very publicly denouncing you. Yes. But, but basically we have, we have done things like this and then those for over a 1000 years with the knowledge as a country and how to come to below sea level. So you always have to negotiate, we have to build a dikes or how to keep the country dry, have to keep dry feet. And if means a constant tradition of negotiations for listening, trying to get to compromises. So with this in, in our tradition and, and this was a for a party called relation. Uh, we have months of the conversation before we got there and impulsive over 20 parties in government assorted in parliament for it and government. But it works. And then once is one of the richest countries in the world, we are, we have to have the most happy children in the world. Number one, we are number 5 in terms of innovation. We have also rich countries in the world, so it is delivering the system is different. The collapse of your coalitions you just said was about the issue of migration. And i think about, you know, i to Young Refugee families. I dont want to go into the details of what happened in the netherlands. Id want to talk about that big issue. It is because these woods migration migrants refugees asylum seekers. Theyve become the most talks woods in your pin politics. What do you do about this . This problem is not going to go when we are back in 2015 trip to 16 where we have a huge share in crisis. And we were holding the rotating presidency and 2016 were able to close the deal with turkey and greece as you opinion on how to basically handle and control the flow of stream or different use coming into your desktop. Successful at the moment of your beck, almost at the same numbers as we have some 2015 chapter 16, and i believe that is not sustainable. So you have to work on all fronts of the same time, particularly of course risk countries in africa. How to make sure that they are able to keep the people there in a safe place of course and, and in, in conditions which are acceptable. But we also have to work on the board of the union and within the European Union, we need to have a form off, lets say that we are helping each other and, and, and luckily were, were moving in the right direction. But also at the national level, you do need to do stuff and that is where we were not able to get to an agreement because this difficult issue is the one that is fueling the fall, right . Would you not agree . And there was a problem with the fall, right in europe and beyond europe is also the issue. I think most people would say it was a major factor in the u. K, leaving the your opinions. And there was more the, lets say, the migration coming out of bowden. So the, the internal european migration and the fee movement of people within the e u, which was a big factor story. I think in 2016 when you k voted yes to leave your opinion, you know that things still think that its very unfortunate and has not helped you but also has not healthy. Okay. Um but its okay. That is not the case. And in the you itself, when we do not provide water and people will bring to cents. So if the politicians are not support, finding the right policies to deal with the issue was then people might move to the more the partners on the french. And i think, and those, my ambition was my parts, and that was the main central high level of party data to be those parties which provides the policies in a decent way to deal with these big issues. People look to make a distinction between the politically prosecuted who can come in and the economic migrants, but its really not that clear cottage. There are lots, there are places in the world, but life is just, im livable, right . Yes, but thats kind of the reason for us to den host you. Thats impossible. So we have to being very clear and make sure that the only taking a migrant references were really fleeing from war from persecution, persecution because they are gay or whatever needs initiative. They are fresh recruited in their own country and we cannot accept people who are clearly only coming based on economic grounds. I understand what they are doing, but you do, you do the same with news you want to. I think i will try the same, but at the same time it understands that others will try to keep me from doing that. And again, that is not good for africa, for example, because you were many young talented people leaving africa. It is not good for the you because we are not able to take in all these references. Thats impossible. Let me give you one example of kind of stone. What would you say to a family from as kind of stone, who wanted to come to the next . Just because they are having a miserable life. And ive got a son in the reason that having a miserable life in pots. Yeah, its down to the policies of nato countries like the netherlands that shape the last 20 years and thats kind of stuff. Well, 1st of all, of course, it is one of my big creek rich deputy of not being able over the last 20 years to stabilize as kind of stuff. Despite the enormous efforts, the nato, and many natural parkers in total 50 countries have been involved in the upcoming some efforts to create some stability in this country and some Economic Prosperity we have at one stage, 5000000 children and women children, young girls in education who were not allowed to enter education before, so we made progress, but we have not been able to to maintain that. And if somebody tries to get to the middle of the song, ive got it. And of course, its all based on a case by case basis, whether you are eligible for to become a those items seek or its not up to meet with the sides. In the end of this, a system which will decide whether you come from a country or a system or a background or a particular situation, which makes it possible for you to become a reference you, you will come to you is one of the founding members of the European Union, the bending locks belgian netherlands is not true bug with that as the Building Block that started old in the war and the average of 600 within the you use the pretty firm on your values which are free trade liberal values. And youre very frugal with the spending. We know thats your position. As you now see the you off to 13 years, going to those e you summits with as you leaders. Whats wrong with the what most needs were full. I think we have to speed up to the Decision Making process. But for personally i really made the journey when i started searching years ago for me to use 1st of all, money, the currency. And the enter the market being a rather cents level politician free markets. This was for me, the crucial part of to you having moved to the stages in those last year. So yes, i came to the conclusion that the issue was also about safety. Not in a sense like nature was providing the defense side of safety and the protection. But the effect that you are not alone in an, in stable world, the netherlands being a very pos prescription, but also a small country thats very embarrassed as other countries in strong structure. So it is, it is, it is markets, but also a collective security. And the nature was providing the same and thats really one of to develop into my thinking over the years, having more moved to the center of to you. Then i was when i started to end this job. But the structure is do they need changing . I mean, every country has a commission, which means you have this cumbersome cabinet. Yeah. 7 commissioners. There are 27 real jobs. Know that that is a problem. There are many of you adjustment not 27. 00, an extra you votes and large for order. You would have some countries in the restroom box onto, onto georgia. Of course, we have to be bates about moto and ukraine, whole bunch of joining somebody in the future as sort of making steps to get it was from germany unless we started to process was a court group of companies in the you are discussing. How can we improve the internal workings of European Union and particularly because we know that in the not too distant future people have enlargement. And then we have to make sure that so thats were ready. Now. You all the 2nd longest serving leader in the you, the longest serving is victor old. Yes. Of hungry. In 2021. When hungry was introducing a law which was seen as an t l. G b, t, you said hungry has no business being in the European Union anymore. Does hungry share the core values of the you do think, well, im afraid not whole which and for me, the l g b t r a q a plus rights are key. A value which we hold dear are key for me because the issue is not, is also a community of values. The nato natal is also a organization ations based on shared values of democracy. What of law . Uh, the equality of men and women that it doesnt matter from where you come, what your face is that your welcome to join and our societies, if youre there on legal basis and adult states. And particularly as thats algebra, john q a plus developing to hungry. I really was challenging what was happening. Let me ask you about another country that for. Ready nearly a quarter of the century, as i said, it was going to join the you as a kind of the country to kia. Yes. Present. Other one said this week here in new york, if needed, we will part ways with the you. Do you think turkey it has a place in the you or do you think thats why were here . This is about the process and we have to be very precise. Infinity into a 1000 for the easily side. Its collectively and unanimously to open the accession. Negotiations are still key. Obviously this is a very difficult process because on many issues we still differ. Wister kia and as long as the developments inter key, you have not gone in the right direction for them now to join you. But at the same time, i think we have to follow the process if your keyboard makes it necessary for im sure we can make next steps. But as after to key or to do that, we all know what is necessary. I do not for cedric here to join the you in the foreseeable future. Maybe never. And therefore it is also important that you have this newest structure of to you being a political community. One of the ideas, amount of, of my call came, how old are you liked it . Yes it is, but yeah, it is basically the is your plus, the are countries being part of the are you are being around ok now and the okay. Also joining accept of course restaurant and better boost but all the other countries are part of the structure and turkey is a very valuable member of nato. Ends my bilateral relations at our home. Our strong deduction to fi relations are strong and important to me. But on the question succession to you, we cannot negotiate on the fundamentals. And there i think we are still a long way off. Then your time is your pin lead to your pin. The one thing has changed in the political discourse. They used to be traditional Media Television like this radio, newspapers, we will the gatekeepers of information to the public desk. Now anyone can publish in a thing. Are you worried about the real world effects . It says no, because my view on this issue, 1st of all, that social media only have an impact when it reaches to mass media. So when guys like you, ill just see, or cnn are not reporting what is happening on the social media. Theres not reaching the mass people in our countries and you as a responsible journalist, will always make sure that there is steps journalistic. I to making sure that the reporting of the social media has some sense. And secondly, i see some of my colleagues really being bothered by what is happening on social media. And i tell them, do your job, do not the whole day. Try to find out whats on social media. People are thinking of or about you were saying about you, it is not death relevant relevance is that you do your job with the best of your intentions with through the best of your knowledge. And then to be very much open to the media, to a part on that and, and to be questions. And, of course, also scrutinized. Lets turn now to the war and ukraine. Youll be one of the staunchest supporters of ukraine and presents and lensky. You, one of the 1st countries to offer f sixteens to ukraine, di worry, that as time goes on, you crane war is not always the top of the headlines anymore. And increasingly, maybe some of your partners will start to reduce the financial, a military contributions. There is death risk and at the same time, im not too worried because what i sense when i speak was people in the netherlands or was my colleagues seem to work in the us, but also has many colleagues in africa, asia, and less than america. People mc just understands this is not only about to ukraine. Yes. First of all, its about the requirement. This is the russian regression where guns too. Great. But this is also about 2 other things. Values that you do not insights, another country. And that is about collective security defect dept rush. I will not stop this. You cant show from my country. For example, the netherlands, our safety. Our defense is directly impacted by what is happening in ukraine. And people understand that when you became Prime Minister in 2010, russia was still part of the g h. It seems a very long time ago. If i could ask you to recall that, what were your thoughts about putin then im going to use think about him now and a, it has completely changed to us in a sense. Ive never really trusted the guy, but at the same time we were doing business with him because his thinking watch and here i would like to defend america was now under considerable criticism in germany for her restaurant politics. I think she did the right thing. Of course we knew thats with books and we didnt have to ideal liter, no rush of it is equal to the change. Thats a rush of. We cannot move from its spots on the map close to you, or be part of your to or for to a sure at some extent, because we didnt like it. They didnt like put in and particularly after the crimea invasion and the whole minced accord, which we also do go shared with in 2014 is most crucial to keep the dialogue going with fulton. Clearly it shouldnt be of not being successful. Shouldnt there be more of a push back to put in, in that pivotal year of 2014, when russia annexed ukraine and then went into east and ukraine. And of course, very important fuel country. What happened on the 17th of july that you know, and then i make 17 killed 298 people shot down on that plane by russia. A 193 of those people with dodge and sixtys. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Point. Yeah. Should itd been, thats not taught to put in anymore. No, i think thats whats having the wrong decision. No, after what he did on the 20th in the night of the 22nd and the 23rd of february of 2022. I mean, that was the moment it stops, and wed have to cook squarely a fairly back ukraine. But in 2014, in march, when this thing happens in crimea, which was of a different scale often happens in 2022. I believe it was the right policy and the right thing to do to try wisdom in agreement with the peace negotiations happening at that moment to somehow rain in russia in a broader your be in line of thinking. And clearly we have not being successful. And of course then it may, 17 happens and after thats the restaurant doctor relations have never be like they were before. And of course its 2022 where there are no organizations any longer. Lots of people are still debating why put in made the decision to finally invade fully invade in ukraine last year. Some believe it was possibly because he was in bold and by the weakness of the west. Can i give you 2 examples . One, we go back to syria and present a bomb is red line on chemical weapons when they were used by side in 2013 the un and the o. P c w, which is based in the netherlands. Both confirm that that happens and accommodate nothing. And russia then into the war in syria. And as weve seen in ukraine at bottom civilians at bump hospitals at phone schools for side of a state cannot doing something at that point. Well, let me also 100 to 2011. When the booking agreed was a Security Council resolution olivia and i think he with some um, i mean he has something going for him. Many of us criticized what happened afterwards and how to rest then related to libya. And the fact that he had reason to believe that he fuss not dealt with in a trustworthy manner because what we thought was because of a no fly zone in his you became an ad will this exactly it. And so i think as things started to shower, it gets worse from 2011 on which of course direct line not being health is not helpful, but go back to 2022. So when pushing invaded, you create we, we do not know what exactly of us thing out in his mind. It will always be guessing. But if he thought that we would be not united, that we would again say, okay, this is acceptable and lets have some nice, stokes, and some tea. And lets try to solve this. He has been completely wrong. And at this moment, he must think that he made a huge mistake by doing that, and that he seized the rest being completely united, including united states, bipartisan, including the hold of nato and European Union. And i think that is a marvelous situation and not so of course, dissertation ok, but the effect that we are still united. The 2nd example i want to raise with you have just 6 months before picked and made his decision to invade. And thats what happened in afghanistan that pulled out from afghanistan of all of those people whod felt alongside nato in the us. They felt it was a betrayal, boots and watch that. He also watched the tales that pull out. Do you think that mightve encouraged him . Or i dont think so i i called and mentioned that direct line sir. Yep. 2013 cool. Just play some role in his mind. I dont seem to pull that from that kind of stuff because um intelligence worldwide, well said it would take months before to tony, but wed be able to take off. And of course we were a basically a and gulf by the secretary in dental on the weekends on the 15th of august, things moved an extended rate in a way we did not anticipate. And then we have to move freaking. Of course, thats why i say this was a terrible situation, but i would know things that played a big role in important thinking thats like much. But at the same time, what a terrible mistake he made and how perhaps he can be there to invest is united. And we have to stay united even if things go to gets um, not as positive as at the moment for ukraine. If they would have to add the setbacks and the battlefield particularly then, i would argue we have to stay with what with regard to that and want to use time. Here in the us. There was a president ial election. And potentially, it could be president trump, to another republican who decides to completely append the claim policy. Does that while were, you could you go to load . I must say thats im really impressed by the, by parsons the ship was in the us senate. Well, natal, i remember the beach and us when trump was president , all nato, a membership, etc. But has always been a, a rule based supports in the senate, and particularly in the, in the front of Nations Committee on the necessity for us to stay in full, not because of historical reasons in the 2nd world war. But also because if russia would gain more influence in, for example, restaurant your, this india and also jeopardize us secure to interest and the same goes for you. And when you look now in the, its in, in the house of representatives and i spoke with 6 members of the house which helped me presents disc 2 weeks ago to visit the hague bipartisan, a Police Report for a while for your drawing bots. The decision rest with one man and the commander in chief, the president. That could be donald trump, one your pay leader a spoke to in recent days that the return to power of donald trump would be an auto disaster. Do you agree to us as a democracy . Show the united states, besides in a self one way who will rule and run this country. And the one who is chosen in november next year and then takes over in january the year after is the one we will have to be on the dense form is, as ive said before, what is that one is not dancing with regard to you claim and then then i still think that the advice is around that new president , depart partisanship in the house. We present the vision and the senate. So in the whole, congress will help us to make sure that we will stay the course for 13 years. Youve lived a life of great pressure, a huge tempo, your living, your life. Whats gonna happen next, because the jobs that your name is being linked to, you know, this is been all the papers is nato secretary general, yet insulting books, stands down next year. Well give you time for nice rest and do that job. Is it a job that you would consider if you were approach at the moment . Im really focused on the job im doing now, but your role so passionate about the war and ukraine. And if you would like to the secretary general, you would still be able to play a role that its something you would not ruling out to the state of the states. Im really thinking about everything. But uh, and obviously after 3 or 2 years, youre thinking should i somehow apply this experience somewhere else . And at the same time, im also thinking very csp of moving or making a complete a change of direction. And all these roles, like nato and, and in the you, there are so many talented politicians to take over. I will not be work to work finally and you are still relatively young. So its nothing to bitch request you and thank you for the 56. Lets say you can also use the side of it, but, but, but how do you want to be remembered the dutch Prime Minister . What is your legacy . I hope people will think that dr. Different best that are try to get people to get her on a common common issues that we were in in a very difficult situation. Europe and then that wasnt 2010. I employment at the moment. Unemployment is low. We have a huge shift borrowing requirements, and now the states finances are in a much better position. And it means that youre able also to spend money on defense on raising the poor, out of poverty, etc. So i hope people say he did his best. He makes mistakes and thoughts. It is also good after 15 years. Thats he is now doing something else, not route to Prime Minister in the netherlands. Thank you so much for the talking about the year. And theres been heavy artillery from the 1st minute of the expiring of the ceasefire. Something has changed at this Border Crossing whether they are civilians or spiders. None of that seems to matter here. Now those forms the data you and hcr is here and someone told us that they have never seen it this bad. Many people say that even when they are about to prophecies neighboring tags. They also been talking to incredibly tragic day, seeing refugees streaming in this turned into a nice they seem terrible things, experience, unimaginable hardships to come this far. And what happens now the is about to send in the top stories and ill just say about the board of assessing the legal pos in the us state of texas has declared a state of emergency following a search and migrants from mexico and the 9 files and people have made the crossing into the us and just 24 hours a matter of the city of el paso and texas as one whose city is that a breaking point is migraines, flood in our correspondence. Hydro. Castro is an eagle pos for hundreds of people living, crossing the Rio Grande River on sunday. I dont know, we can see past this wire here, but more people have been crossing from the mirror from the mexico side. And actually you do see more groups here