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Speaking out I think it's an entirely proper use of Parliament to name people when clearly the evidence is overwhelming and pais are accusing the Department of Work and Pensions of dismissing evidence that Universal Credit is causing hardship for claimants the government has said it would delay the rollout of the scheme which merges 6 payments into one the Commons Public Accounts Committee says that may not solve the problems the mayor of New York Bill de Blasio says the sending of explosives to some high profile Democrats in the United States is terrorism 10 devices have been intercepted after they were sent to people including Barack Obama Robert Deniro and Hillary Clinton Mr de Blasio spoke at a press conference with the F.B.I.'s Bill SWEENEY Right now the F.B.I. Joint terrorism task forces around the nation are following indigenous investigation we are working quickly we will continue to do so to identify and operate here in the individual or individuals responsible for these arcs Google says it sank 48 people 13 of them senior managers over sexual harassment claims made in the past 2 years the company says it's taking a hard line on inappropriate conduct there's a warning the England's coastal communities are not prepared for the effects of global warming the Committee on Climate Change which advises government says plans to protect against flooding and erosion and not fit for purpose Jim hole is one of the authors of the report it's just not going to be all the bolt. Hole of the terrorists so we've been much more nice conversation with communities about what the future holds so that they can put in place more realistic plans or if you the government says it will ensure the country is resilience and prepared a coroner has concluded that a student who died after an initiation style drinking session didn't know enough about the inherent risks 20 year old Ed Farmer. Had a cardiac arrest brought on by excessive alcohol consumption in 2016 hour correspondent his dad it Danny savage the current of the New Castle current says she'll now write to universities and she's got a call for 1st years students to be bored about the potentially fatal risks of alcoholism not just warned about be careful of excessive drinking certainly big careful of drinking a large amount of alcohol in a short period of time but also in the wake of what's happened here that doing so can kill you and for the 1st time women can apply for any British military role the defense secretary Gavin Williamson says all combat roles are open including those in Special Forces units to steer has he support England midfielder Ruben Loftus cheek scored a hat trick is Chelsea bought a bar a soft $31.00 in the Europa League at Stamford Bridge it was only the 22 year old's 4th appearance of the season for its Sorry side who now topped their group by 6 points Meanwhile Arsenal have extended their winning run to 11 matches in all competitions with a one mil victory at Sporting Lisbon Rangers' June Milner at home to Sparta Moscow but Celtic have now lost back to back games in the Europa League after a 2 no defeat to R.P. Leipzig defending told a France champion go right Thomas says he expects to be Team Sky's joint leader with Chris Froome next year if he takes part in the race sorry wicket keeper Ben folks has been called up to the England Test squad has cover for the injured Jonny Bairstow Englishman Matthew Fitzpatrick is 3 shots behind the leader America's Patrick Reid have to the 1st round of the World Golf Championships events in Shanghai and Elaine is fitter Lena has knocked out defending champion Caroline Wozniacki to reach the last 4 of the files in Singapore Carolina Pliska has also made it through to the 70 finals this is B.B.C. 5 Live on digital online smart phone and sound but weather now rain across Scotland will move south across the rest of the U.K. Through the rest of the night and then come the morning it'll feel colder with possible. Coastal areas rain at 1st in the south dry elsewhere with many sunny spells going into the afternoon it's also going to be more windy through the trucks a mobile phone plus we'll get the latest on the magnitude 6.8 earthquake that's hit Greece and after 3 polymath Bobby Segal who found fame on University Challenge tells me about the magic of numbers and how they could one day be used to communicate with aliens he's also got a math puzzle for you to try and I. Will start with news that people living near England's coast haven't faced up to the reality of rising seas and climate change that's from government advisors who say it's almost certain that England will face at least one metre of sea level increase at some point in the future the Committee on Climate. Ainge warns that that huge rise may happen over the next 80 years or within the lifetime of today's children and environment analyst Roger HARRABIN reports it's well known that the rise in sea level induced by manmade climate change would affect coastal communities but the committee says there needs to be a much more frank conversation about how many homes will really be worth saving as the waves get higher the report says in a worst case scenario the U.K. Could face a rise in sea level of a metre around the end of the century the committee warns that current official plans for Shoreline management on unfunded and unrealistic it's report says big coastal cities like Bryson or Blackpool would need to be protected whatever happens but that it simply won't be possible to safeguard more sparsely spread settlements by the coast a government spokesman said it would take whatever steps necessary to adapt to climate change there have been and just give you a sense of the scale of this according to some measures if you look at the British counter graphic society for instance you look at the total length of the coastline of the you can including the islands it's around 20000 miles that's almost long enough to stretch right the way around the world if you were to lay it all out in a straight line so let's get a global perspective on this with Mark centers He's the director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center at the University of Colorado and I asked him if we're all just not taking climate change and rising sea levels seriously enough Oh it's very much a global problem I mean because the entire globe is going to see this the most recent projections are looking at something like a meter a sea level rise by 2100 could be larger some of this depends on what they get Arctic ice sheet is going to do but you're already seeing affect for example Miami in the U.S. Has already seen the effects of sea level rise especially associated with height looking just beyond the U.K. The Netherlands places like that anywhere that's a low lying this is really going to be a big issue the problem is it creeps up slowly on us and things that creep up slowly on us. We have a tendency to ignore them and always the the wrong because the way that this in human history has worked and because of the Penn State that we have to build cities in coastal areas because of access to things like sea ports and trade routes there are a lot of people that live on coastlines all that's right there's millions Well hundreds of millions to live along coastlines it's a really these are very very vulnerable areas many people live within a couple of meters of coastline and it's not just the sea level rise itself it's the issue it's the issue of what will happen like when a storm comes through a sort dorm surge comes through combined with A one C. Meter sea level rise that's the sort of thing it can cause real problems also things of for example solidification of aquifers aquifers becoming no good because the sea the sea water is encroaching upon them so it's more than just the sea level rise is a lot of things that go on with it so realistically I mean even given the long time frame we're talking about sort of you know it was a 100 years or so is there anything that can be done to prevent damage to coastal communities to big coastal cities because of sea level rise or realistic the are we going to have to abandon some of these places. Well there's certainly a lot of things you could do the smartest thing of course we can do is get a handle on our carbon emissions and and try and reduce the warming as much as we can it's still going to continue to warm up we're going to have to live with some sea level rise no matter you know if we put a total stop to things today. It wealthy nations will be able to mitigate in some ways by no buildings big sea walls and things like that but if you look across the globe there's all Auto of people out there who are very vulnerable who had very little to do with the issue of climate change but they're going to be the ones that are going to be hurt really badly do you think the will is that you even within the rich countries to do something about it because you know politics is a short time game isn't it when you got elections and before every 5 is a it's not really a pressing issue if it's a. He is 60 is even 40 years down the road for someone to do something about it well that's certainly the problem the way our system works I would say that over in Europe you know you've got a I think a better handle on this that a better understanding of what is happening that we have here over the U.S. Especially with our present administration. But again it's a really tough thing to do because it is such a global problem but you know what's going to take it to wake us up to something like this you know real disaster unfortunately that tells things work sometimes but I remain optimistic we spoke to you before on a poem on 5 Live back when the warnings are in the year about the oldest and thickest C.I.'s beginning to break up in the poker ice caps as we heading towards winter is there any sense of that slowing down or things still looking bad in that sense. Both things are looking bad we ended up this September through September that's the sort of seasonal middle Mincey ice extent we ended up 6 loess of the satellite record we were saved a bit by a somewhat cool summer but autumn has been extremely warm up up in the north this year and so I says growing fast. We'll see what happens but there is just an overall downward decline in sea ice and we are looking at a Cecily ice free arctic ocean maybe mid 2040 something like that I don't think you can stop that there's nothing we can do would you say you would pessimistic about the future environmentally. Well I try to be optimistic I do have some some faith that sanity will prevail but you know my position is one as a climate scientist who has studies this and has seen it all unfold and so I tend to look at it from a very realistic point of view is the challenge that I have and others have is come you to hating this in some ways that my gosh this is really happening let's not ignore it but yet some people I mean you mentioned the current administration in the U.S. Which you know a lot of people would say has gone backwards in terms of their attitude to climate change from where we were with the previous administration so why isn't that no Any through I don't know how high I mean people like to believe what they want to believe is unfortunate. Species does not always behave logically maybe we should have all been Vulcans but. I really don't know what to do it is very very disturbing what is going over here in the U.S. Not just in terms of issues of climate change but there's a lot of other things going along in our nation here that are greatly disturbing about is the director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center the University of Colorado and stop tricks on by the sounds of it Mark Sarah's. Bring up tonight was story this happened pretty recently as a strong 6.8 magnitude earthquake. Just struck in the Ionian Sea off Greece just in the last couple of hours the United States Geological Survey says the quake struck about 35 kilometers west of a place called Le Faqir which is a village in the southern part of the odds on to the island is of course a popular hotspot with tourists many of them from the U.K. Including poppies I think who arrived on the island for a holiday yesterday Poppy good morning what are unpleasant to start your holiday what happened. OK Hi So yeah we were when that is normal and. There was a sort of like a brief shake in the room I just surmising to maybe somebody was trying to get into the door as some people kind of maybe just saw that stumbling hey maybe I might try breaking during my quit was that just getting in the panel that microphone backplate. A few minutes later the whole the whole maybe 10 if a whole range of shit about 45 seconds. Glass fell off the side sprays out of side Cup a couple of other things sort of the side a whole range shaking so we just literally opened the door a man down said as quick as you can because it's all of the flow Rob just one floor up there was a couple of people covered by the PO the post meeting with waves in the PO and the the time the flaps of the tiles that come away the cap on the pool kind of running . And then them on the source and most people kind of stuck way from the building which you did and was coming to the garden area which hosted now on the electricity to all those comedy say thank you the mains out quite by even though it's really cold yeah when I don't go back and a lot are going Wow OK So quickly did you realize that it was an escort. Maybe 20 seconds into the play 5 I guess for the I was pretty pretty pretty lay on that 2nd call the register right was it scary yeah it was really scary like want to say never never experience anything that my life or that she did that was happening my 1st instinct so to get out of the rain because it was up where we were up higher and I just thought that was going to happen and yet it quickly sort of grabbed grabbed a jump from the side and run down says my job yes I have to say you have cited a new project and it's redundancy make it to get advice good especially the next question is everybody says everyone safe and well that you can see your hotel Yes yes A.P. Is a couple of it's quite a few international tours a couple of German people have got really decent wind up torches so that kind of loving life in the corner with that wind up to a lot. But you know away from the away from the actual building and the guy that cost us he told us to stay away from the miss him so it's like staying close as you come into the building he's sold their way from that to a sort of an flat away from the building away from the pope because he thinks the safest bet but he doesn't think that. Needs neither does anybody else really a good sign because I mean did you know it was somewhere that was my bill to to to have a quick so you look at all of. Well I think it's wise to have never experienced anything that is willful but I know that the Iranian islands are susceptible to that I don't think tectonic plates over you know that and I'll give it to you but. I actually saw it we saw it without his article and often we just managed to get. On 3 days and. The celestial body to be no law and say. In the end of. The planets aligned and and so the new age quite full cost predicted this would happen and it was a kind of being rubbish day for the last few days yes that she saw cost more tomorrow OK Well yes I saw. A. Straight guy right here yes so you. Do you have any sense of when you might be able to go inside and get warm and you wait for the power to come back on oh just what it cost us to give you a clear yes way you can to give us the OK ready to go back and I mean if someone is getting it up the time and off course Yeah and like you said it is up. Probably about 20 steps up it's not really high like I like but it is up to sort of levels. You know when I say that risk especially. Poppy stay safe thank you very much for bringing us up to date with that sounds like a pretty scary way to start a holiday to save myself my friends and I think myself. And he down the road and she really worries us if she's listening just had it going to be OK and I think I think we'll be fine we're going. To get in the morning. Show Poppy thank you very much a day that says puppy having his own holiday in Sam say which has been struck by a 6.8 magnitude earthquake in the last couple of analysts Let's move on Google says it sacked 48 people have a sexual harassment claims in the past 2 years the company's C.E.O. Said in a letter to employees that it was taking a hard line on inappropriate conduct and that. That it was in response to a story in The New York Times that said that one employee Andy Rubin received a $19000000.00 exit package despite facing misconduct allegations Katie Benner is the reporter at The New York Times who wrote the story Katie Good morning welcome to the program thank you so much Katie said this let's actually begin. Today a story in The New York Times was difficult to read so it's obviously very clearly in response to your story just just remind us of the article myself and it is this quite a lot of allegations in there some of which have been addressed in this letter some of which haven't What is it that you uncovered. By so I got that it does address almost everything we wrote what we wanted to do is we want to take a close look at Google's overall culture what is it doing how does it respond to this conduct by men in the shoes of power and how they treat women and we found was over and over again whether it was something whether it was getting subordinates and then you know planning a whole family with them and abandoning a lot of the credibly accused of sexually assaulting a person who he works with that Google decided in each case to not only not punish the men but they could change a financial reward them put against their careers and to give them money where they did so finally compelled to push the company it was startling because we're not used to seeing that we've seen companies pay off women for their silence because of an even keel they need to found these women because they didn't feel that they would ever say anything and one of the complainants coming to your article was was was asked to be quiet something that Google said that they wouldn't do generally to a complainant in this kind of case but they say they told you that they were told to basically shut up about it. Yes as a lackey there's only one for a job interview and during that interview the gentleman told her that he was polyamorous which is not a very practical question for a job interview but he did as could have seen him again and she assumed it was because he wanted to talk about the job and he asked her to me in a very informal circumstance she brought her mom along should work this is close I don't really understand what's going on and then after he got her shirt give her a back rub when she told Google about this incident you know long after the fact she was incredibly embarrassed they said that they did an investigation on her claims credible and he still works at the company still as a manager so Andy Rubin who is known to many people as the father of Android the mobile phone operating system it's been phenomenally successful food for Google as well as a lot of other companies so he was the subject of a misconduct complaint that had been covered before we kind of knew that there was some allegations about him but but this huge payoff that he was given and a very amicable split from Google He was thanked publicly for his time despite the fact that he was effectively pushed out as a result of these allegations. Yes And I think one of the shocking things about this that the shock is in the details it was not just a sexual harassment complaint a complaint was that his colleague with whom he had an extramarital relationship that she had broken it off that he she he coerced her into performing oral sex on him and the company found that claim to be credible they found it to be so credible that they felt they needed to ask him to leave and yet they also felt really bad about it and gave him $90000000.00 He's been receiving payments for 4 years every month about $2000000.00 a month and the last payment is scheduled for next month so when you think about the message that says we don't want to get rid of you for doing something that we also think is heinous and we will give you tens of millions of dollars I think that is where the shock comes into play again we've seen sexual harassment cases before we've not seen this kind of kid glove treatment of somebody else and we should say I do remain in all he wanted to put his side of things that's fairly obvious but he denies all the allegations and he has issued a statement saying that the reporting is incorrect we do you know we did not we did interview more than 30 people we worked on the story for more than a year and we did have documentation but I will say that Mr Rubin does deny the allegations that he with pointing out to what extent is this all my face of it than an atoll Traill problem with Google and to what extent is it a problem that pervades Silicon Valley. Well that's an interesting question because in many ways Google is Silicon Valley it is one of the largest most successful startups of all time it started out you know the 2 guys in a garage method which Silicon Valley loves and when people want to replicate their success they kind of want to replicate everything so that's you know the 1st part that's the 1st answer to your question and then the 2nd how much of this the Palm with Google Google culture is also always permissive is one of the reasons we found it was essential to tell the story of David Drummond who is to chief legal officer of the company everything close to his office he is the law of the land and while he was an executive Google he had an extramarital affair with one of his own reports he had a full relationship with her he had a child with her which they discussed it was not on plan and then at the end of the day he kind of abandoned her Meanwhile she left Google because she felt pressure to leave her job because it was against policy for him to be dating her so when you look at the outcomes of their 2 lives many people the company felt that in a different world that would be considered grossly unfair but that if Google is considered all right and so that sets the tone for the company in the best as the pet says would naturally breed other types of misconduct so this letter that's come out from some the Pichai the chief executive of Google says and the last 2 years $48.00 people have been terminated for sexual harassment including 13 senior managers and above that despite that says none of these individuals received an exit package and it goes on to detail some some reporting and some investigations in a new what they call respect apps which is in a sort of internal cultural policy that they brought forward do you get a sense that Google are getting the house in order. I do get that sense I get the sense that the current C.E.O. Sundar Pichai is deeply concerned about this because one of the things that makes Silicon Valley and Google special as is their it's their ability to draw the best and the brightest and if people think your culture is broken you will not draw the best and the brightest will lose out to the Facebook's of the world so I do think they are taking it seriously Also I think that this the statement that none of these individuals were stupid exit package it expresses the. Fear or that happening amongst record players at Google today they were deeply disturbed by the reporting and they made that known Katie thank you very much indeed that's Katie Benner from the New York Times he uncovered the story about the culture at Google let's stay in the U.S. Where media is reporting that the suspected explosive devices sent to high profile figures may have come from Florida news organizations of quoted unnamed officials but the F.B.I. Assistant Director wouldn't confirm those reports at a news conference earlier on Thursday X. Vice President Joe Biden and actor Robert De Niro when named as the latest targets Daniel Lipman is a reporter for The US politics website Politico Daniel good morning welcome to the program just bring honest up to date on what's been happening over the last 48 hours or so if you can. Yes So a number of senior Democratic officials and former presidents like Bill Clinton and also leading anti Trump activists like Robert Deniro and you know Joe Biden they've received these attempted bomb threats not interest rates but actual bombs and so they haven't gone off thankfully no one has been injured but it's very concerning on where the latest is they're looking at Florida and whether the bombs were sent from court of maybe from a supporter who has taken cues from the president on who he does not like what is the one thread that seems to link all of these targets so far as they help people that have been critical of President Trump How has the White House responded has President Trump responded. So the White House says they haven't even asked they say you know has no place society which is a good thing that he said that but he has not softened his anti media rhetoric and you know he didn't mention that one of the attacks was against C.N.N. One of his main targets and so they are see this as a winning political issue to still attack the media in advance of the mentor and how is that going down and so there was some criticism of the president's not so not calling him some level critical facade of doubling down on the rhetoric at a time when when some assessing that rhetoric may have been we don't know for sure may have been what's led to these these attacks you know he's gotten widespread criticism most. You know anger at Democrats or Republicans and so they are holding their fire you know they've had to face many times when Trump tweeted something that they did not like but and now you know one of my colleagues wrote a story about how the you know the White House they see Trump as one of the victims even though there's been no attack at the White House because they think that Democrats are going to use this in advance of the midterms to try to gain political advantage that they're getting attacked and that this is from the Republican side Daniel even that is the line is breaking up a little bit thank you very much indeed bass Daniel Lipman who's a reporter for the U.S. Politics Web site Politico that coming up a little bit later on in the program we're going to have from Bob SIEGEL He was one of the more memorable characters in the last series of University Challenge memorable for his knowledge is enthusiasm and of course that name he's a mass teacher as well as having been a student and still a Ph D. Student at the University of Cambridge he's someone who wants us all to fall in love with numbers you'll hear that interview in full later on I've been chatting to him about his book The Life changing magic of numbers but he's got a bit of a puzzle set a bit of a question for us so we're going to play that to you now get a pen and paper ready because it's a wee bit complicated and you'll have an hour to figure out if you can work out the answer to this question before Bobby will reveal it sorry to have is in fact before Bobby will reveal that you may well need all that time has been this so gadget so gay the England manager has given on usually waited for war to 4 of the squad members Captain Harry King goalkeeper join Big 3rd and 4th night computer game dance maestros Jesse linger and barely any Southgate has asked the players to work out of the weight each of the 4 foot walls and has given them for clues to words are so right he's down to number one the average weight of these 4 walls is 80 grams to number 2 the 3 heavier foot walls were 270 grams in total. Clue number 3 the hairiest war given to how he came is 3 times the rate of the latest war given to Jesse Lingard. Clue number 4 the other 2 middle 4 walls were exactly the same so your challenge is to work out the weight or each of the 4 balls the galaxy has given to. Me there so play that again a little bit later on so 3 o'clock you'll hear the interview probably at the end of that interview right after he'll give you the answer see if you can work that out so it's to do with wait for football's and you're given a few clues by Bobby you got to work out the weight of all 4 footballs we will try and play the audience a little bit later on in the program as well so you've got a chance to write it down into Texas if you think you've worked out 5 o 5 as usual is the number you can tweet at B.B.C. 5 Live the time has just gone half past 1 on digital online smartphone and tablet this is B.B.C. 5 Live. In Chile on a Cassaday has the latest news from the labor peer Lord Hain says it was his duty to name said Philip Green as the businessman and has been accused of sexual and racial harassment and injunction prevented the Daily Telegraph from printing his name the water Hain used parliamentary privilege to reveal it said Philip has categorically and wholly denied allegations of unlawful sexual or racist behavior a strong earthquake magnet magnitude 7 has struck off of the coast of Greece the U.S. Geological Survey said the epicenter was in the Ionian Sea 77 miles southwest of patches there are no initial reports of damage or injuries. Investigators in the United States believe some of the pipe bombs sent to prominent critics of Donald Trump were posted from Florida they're concentrating their inquiry on a sorting office near Miami and for the 1st time women can apply for any British military role the defense secretary Gavin Williamson says all combat roles are now open to both sexes including those in Special Forces units such as the S.A.T.'s Tim steer has you sport in the midfield the Ruben Loftus cheek scored a hat trick as Chelsea beat Bharti Boris off $31.00 in the Roper league at Stamford Bridge it was only the 22 year old's 4th appearance of the season for Murray Sorry side who now topped their group by 6 points and the Chelsea boss As Loftus cheek has adapted to his style of play he played very very well in the offensive phases and wonderful in the beginning of the season on the course of that he was a really really good player you know I think this same but maybe I think also that he is more suitable to make is improving Arsenal have now made it 11 wins in a row in all competitions up to beating Sporting Lisbon one nil in Portugal Danny Welbeck scored the only goal of the game in the 2nd half to leave them top of Group A is Arsenal coach you know Emory and we are happy we want to continue winning and we want also doing improving things each match for us is a big opportunity for every players to. Take the other sports a deed is personality in this competition we want to do something important Rangers June will nail a home to Spartak Moscow and Celtic have now lost but it's about games in the Europa League after a 2 no defeat or RB Leipzig before the moment to show he'd card says claims that managers levied see a candidate she's on the brink of being fired are both sensational and fictional for the March 18th in the Premier League with just 5 points from 9 games but it switch townhouse sacks their manager Paul Hurst the club. Some of the championship was just one win in 14 league games sorry wicket keeper Ben folks has been called up to the England Test squad as cover for Jonny Bairstow Bairstow has an ankle ligament injury picked up playing football in training ahead of the 4th one day international in candy defending told a France champion Thomas says he expects to be Team Sky's joint leader with Chris Froome next year if he takes part in the race the 29000 route has been announced it will feature a record 30 mountain passes and 5 summit finishes his friend's thoughts on the route relatively few time trotters to previous editions so that's quite different to Rosello I'm really looking forward to preparing for now and. I mean it would be the dream for me to to go for a 5th Tour de France when Englishman Matthew Fitzpatrick is 3 shots behind the leader American Patrick Reed after the 1st round of the World Golf Championships event in Shanghai Fitzpatrick is on 5 under par and says he's enjoying playing in China I knew I had to stay patient and I really love playing his golf courses suits my eye well but. I played a really great pitch on the par 514 and I just forgot my round them basically. And was beaten in 3 sets by Fernando Verdasco at the Vienna open and Elaine is fit Alina has knocked out defending champion Caroline Wozniacki to reach the last 4 of the W.T. 8 finals in Singapore Carlina Pliska is also through to the semifinals and that's the latest from B.B.C. Sport time is running out and by young commentator of the year if you know young person based 11 to 15 years of sport and loves talking about this then we want to get it is what it all creatures like to do is go to the B.B.C. 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So universe to challenge is Bobby Siegel say that mass problem just before the news will get the answer A bit later on James from way bridges text a date 5058 with what looks like a very plausible answer but slightly embarrassing I can't remember what the actual answer is because it's really complicated nor do I have the math skills to work it out so James you may well be right but you may not be so you have to wait and see it 3 o'clock but we will reveal the answer and you'll find out whether or not you were right do you send your answers in if you want 85050 if you still working at that's fine if you missed it and you missed a couple the words will play that audio little bit later on so you've got another chance to write it down let's talk about this that one article in The New York Times has claimed that president trumps cell phone use is vulnerable to surveillance by Russian and Chinese spies The newspaper says aides of President Trump have repeatedly warned him that his mobile calls especially using i Phones are not secure in several tweets the president has described the article as incorrect and wrong so how likely is it that other nations could and he might be doing this Dr Aaron Vishwanath is a cyber security expert based in New York Dr Vishwanath Welcome to the show is this possible to foreign intelligence agencies routinely hack mobile phones even the president's mobile phone. It's great to be on your show The other possibility is very strong you know we go back this is this is basically signals intelligence this has been around you know all the way back to the American Civil War They used to do this and telegraph they used to hack into telegraph lines and you know this is this is technology today which is show you know hack very likely that every garment when they're in the developed world is trying to do it to every other government out there. So the likelihood of those being tried is very high so our you know senior government officials all the way up to in this case present. it's generally discouraged from using cell phones for communication that well you know they have they are given a special issued cells aunts and there's a reason for a den the reason thread is you know the a technology on which solo or signals war because it's pretty in secure or it's a technology there was build out our crossed networks call and s. a 7 network and dad network has been hacked many times on the past had are attacked and the nation state level other sat or happen we it's not so long as though so the chances of it happening are i there's a reason why were saying you know we got a you is a secure form and that's why they say that that a lion it something that's encrypted end to end and it's a dozen won on the regular networks that you and i us right now for instance so crist on trump is famous for using twitter fairly regularly as we all know sometimes and the the wee small hours of the morning is that a vulnerability is well the fund that he's i guess someone sitting on a phone or a computer himself than the lot of cases it seems like he's typing these teesside himself logged in to twitter there i guess people send him things will the time could he click on the wrong thing in suddenly the rise twitter account hacked absolutely and it depends on what one device he's using winnie's doing that now now you know and he's talking about knowing this on has quite would fall on you know we know of bots that i mean you just on twitter we know if artificial intelligence programs that and come up with tweets that are car slice to you of that can pin malware so you know if he is using an non-secure form that's not been patched i mean you click on a link anyone of us could fought for the us he's no different than any of us in that particular case well well we hope that he's not using you know a lot of these you non-secure solace or do that if he is doing a row secure of for look the chances are if he clicks on something nothing's going to really happen so at least it's protect it on one level right yeah yeah quite i mean the the reports or center on this use of an iphone they specifically mention an iphone of 80 seen as being particularly vulnerable or is it just that the happens to be the brand of smart phone that he uses well in a at the consumer level right i phones are way more protect that that lights and andrew excellence But there are just as many even even on the consumer level there is malware we are seeing on its lawns but you know we don't understand who we are talking about it we're talking about nation states hacking we're not talking about this you know run of the mill hacker out there and very often I mean if you look back at 2011 and you look at that we keep leaks and what we found out from Snowden you know we realize that states are incredibly powerful and we find out about what you're capable of doing here is ask are usually by accident usually because you know. That for instance in 2017 we found out about CIA's acting tools. You know you know. Hacked breach where they talked about tools that were show out of the world and they were all focused on i Phones So I mean is the general acceptance now amongst experts like yourself that the most of what Snowden revealed was was basically true and you bring it up we did actually interview on 5 Live this week actually the spies from a variety of You can't deny stations including 2 C.H.P. Which is a domestic signals intelligence agency and one of the things they were pains to point out was that was that quite a lot of what he said about them wasn't true says they would say that well but but that was 2011 button 2017 we had a you know CIA hacking tool leak a whole set of tools and these were kind of you know tools that were leaks from the wall so the CIA was going to want 7 leak and what we found out where they were tools there were who would have even imagined and some of the things Snowden was talking about like for instance they were talking about the ability to listen in to you when you're using your phone or any phone is not even being used when it's being charged and there are for profit companies out there that created apps that were on the Apple life you know Apple store as well as the Android store that they were basically doing this legally so just just really using the the phone people can listen in to you using your phone even when your phone is not making a phone. In this claim right these were the technologies he was claiming and so there were apps there was a company by the name of a lot. Mistaken and what they were doing was they had they've come up with games in about $250.00 games that were using that technology and when they were doing it they were listening to and they claim ambient noise so they were trying to match let's say what you're listening to on T.V. If it's one in the background to try to target an advertisement to you so that's what I mean is that a think about think about what that capability is right I mean at the consumer level if you could do that you have to be able to listen in to a person right within the setting for you sang OK relax and then just wake up at that point so you're now talking about this in 2011 when no one else was talking about this this is a possibility with the Saudi happened I'd show a lot of things and this is what a smartphone can do you can do a lot of things but at that location you're going to you can listen to the course and you can actually take a photograph of that person when they're not even looking at you there's so many things that you can do and still when you have anybody using That's only going to be really careful especially if that somebody was out of state rights because now to show many layers it's not just the wireless signals intelligence that we're talking about this could be an app destroyed be malware could be just you know finding out where he or she is with a location that could give me a lot of information about what they're discussing only or meaning to it's not just the idea of President shot making these phone calls that would perhaps wary you know people officials within the U.S. Government just the idea that he denies it was you but if you has this unsecured i Phone on his person even you know it's rather residence that's a risk as well that's weird because now you know you know if he's carrying it you know where he is you know the location of this individual and that's a huge problem in a President Obama in just a joke about the smartphone that that was given to him which was a secure line and basically it looked like a sponsor it didn't do anything you know none of the things you know the work you know the microphones everything had been going to secure to such an extent that he could probably not even take a photograph of that and that's the level of security we need in order to make sure that some of the not snooping in on you know what I mean that's what happens when you have a head of state walking around with not one maybe 2. Devices that are not secure and he's not necessarily being honest about it so. Really don't know what's happening in there and that's why it's a big deal I think this story broke because of you know the possibility and I think it's a way of cautioning caution him to going to say hey you know we're going to take a step back here because the irony is that he was very critical wasn't during the election campaign of Hillary Clinton after the initial really e-mails that effectively result revolved around the fact that she was using a personal phone for full state department business because you found it more convenient at a private e-mail server because she found it more convenient but that's the problem right I mean we this is the problem that it's a very hard for like the average person in the street where I stand but these people are working under great constraints right who really are whatever party I mean they're just like you and I though but they're not allowed to have the same kind of technology access the same kind of things that you and I do I mean this phone call for instance or this call that I can make you know it's all going to show many different networks and switches this someone head of state can't just do this because you know they need so many little layers to go so many layers to go to so much security that goes through that process so you know they try to circumvent it but you know you have to sympathize with what the constraints they're working under but at the same time you know they have to realize that you know if they said that what we Spiderman great power comes great responsibility to the U.S. You're a cyber security expert how worried are you by this kind of stuff do you have your kind of smartphone locked away in a vault it might well away from you or do you just kind of go Well look if they can't listen to everyone all of the time and there surely won't care about most of what I'm saying so doesn't really matter you know you got to do the best practices I mean you can be you can make it easy but at the same time you know if there is somebody who really motivated to get into your system say well I mean today the technology we have you know you don't know where they're going to come from right because they really don't need to get to you all they need do is get to a device that's a sobering thought thank you very much indeed the start to Aaron fish when I think cyber security expert based in New York now let's talk about this the owner of top shops of Philip Green is pictured on the front page of most if not all of the morning's papers this is after he was named in parliament as the business. And he was taken out an injunction against the Daily Telegraph to River prevent reporting of claims against him earlier this week the paper said that it had been prevented from revealing the identity of a man accused of using a non-disclosure agreement to conceal allegations of sexual and racial abuse the labor pit Lord hang used parliamentary privilege to name to Philip he has categorically and wholly denied allegations of sexual and racial harassment and said in a statement on Thursday night that he and his company Arcadia quote take accusation and grievances from employees very seriously and in the event that one is raised it is thoroughly investigated statement goes on to say Arcadia employs more than 20000 people and in common with many large businesses sometimes receives formal complaints from employees and carries on in some say some cases these are settled with the agreement of all parties and their legal advisors these settlements are confidential so I cannot comment further on them so how is it that a paper can be stopped from printing a name but a member of the House of Lords has nothing stopping them from naming someone on hand and swap field is a barrister and head of contract law chambers and has been explaining what allowed Lord Hain to talk about Safin gree so parliamentary privilege is a very old right it's extremely historic and it stems from 2 main Stratton's Firstly much importantly it enables freedom of speech for all those who participate in parliamentary proceedings so in P.S.P. Is if you are not members and the idea is that the freedom of speech exists that people involved in a parliamentary process that can debate matters screen without concern that what they say may then be used in court against them. And the 2nd element. Is that the parliament is basically not wanting the court to get involved in sanctioning or undermining anything that they are debating So basically pulls up the drawbridge and says we have an exclusive jurisdiction in this house to be able to speak about matters which then do not find their way into court for sure and there's a 2nd knock on from that which is that the press is allowed to publish contemporaneous reports of what happens in parliament because always you need to report on what more Mike is doing and that means the press can then report things were said in parliament even if those things that were said in Parliament broke or previously in place injunction that's right yes you have effectively freedom of speech which is played a large role in The Telegraph litigation against this company and the claimants involved in this action in this appeal because the Telegraph who started all of this off are using the Freedom of speech. Commission that they have the human rights if you like of freedom of speech in order to. Publish this information that's what they want to achieve and of course they've been unsuccessful and so it's been placed in the public domain through slightly torturous route of an M.P. Using it as part of his parliamentary privilege which then places it into the public domain via the press is freedom of speech to publish stats and to broadcast it we can we can thing live television now about the conduct of parliament it's just one way or another it is now in the public today and this isn't the 1st time the an M.P. Or a pain as it was in this case has used privilege to to release their name in a circumstance like this. No it dated to very historic right and it's a right working if you like side by side in tandem with the press is is a way of of allowing information to penetrate into the public consciousness Yes and indeed obviously now the Telegraph the newspaper that were originally their investigation we should stress as well for the green strenuously devalues the allegations against him but they weren't able to name him a big seller Well their front page the court injunction saying that they couldn't name the person who was the subject of the investigation and of course but just in the Telegraph front page for tomorrow and it has a big picture of a Philip Green on because obviously they are now using the fact that he's been named to the follow up on this story as you would expect them to do does the fact that the parliamentary privilege has been used in this case to name the person who was the subject of an injunction mean that that injunction is now effectively worthless because the information is public that's very interesting point isn't it and we have a number of different principles interesting me and I think historically parliamentary privilege wouldn't necessarily have put it in the public domain and that's a relatively in terms of the hundreds of years that this privilege that existed as a relatively recent phenomena and so effectively yes it has undermined the injunction which of course carefully preserved the anonymity of all of the participants including especially including the signature to the settlement agreement until the final trial of the matter so the court of appeal made it a pretty sensible decision which is to maintain the status quo and to put a marker down that this matter should should be heard speedily so that there isn't a long wait until trial so that the matter could be fully resolved and competing freedoms of confidentiality. And and the public interest in forcing these clauses again freedom of speech which of course is the Telegraph's argument could be balanced and resolved with full argument pending that point the Court of Appeal maintained invention and refused to allowed. Any. Information to be published it's pretty sensible decision on the law as it is what it calls into question is this whole balance which is very interesting of what the public interest is it's it's an interesting balance as to what the public interest is so the courts have to in the public interest is to enforce the contractual gagging order and the nondisclosure order the the previously the confidentiality of the settlement agreements but an M.P. Has been contacted and has agreed to use his privilege to effectively put it into the click to men if. The fact that somebody is or was the you know you say has been contacted so the information must have come to board I mean in some way is there a degree of risk of litigation around that part of the the revelation process OFFICIAL Yes I will talk about when we talk about privilege is that the court cannot entertain an action in relation to statements such as been used in Parliament. So the the word search are expressed in parliament cannot find their way into the court for the reasons I've explained. So yes conversation that took place before outside Parliament only yes absolutely if the conversation is in breach of the contractual clause which it poses an obligation of secrecy thing then push ill yes then they become potentially liable for a civil cause of action for breach of confidence breach of contract that is Barrister Helen SUA field explaining some of the legality around the revelation involving a Philip Green that happened a little bit earlier in the House of Lords now let's listen again right so play this labor leader on for you we're going to hear this interview I did with Bobby Segal of University Challenge fame a little bit later on in the program he is of course a mass genius has written this new book which is called the life changing magic of numbers so I asked him when he did the interview to could you set our listeners a math problem so he's done that we played at once read a couple of your text in James from why bridge here I am certain you got it right so congratulations this text on 85058 rows in Hollis had a go at it as well so grab a pen and paper if you missed it the 1st time write some a numbers down have a crack at this we've got a couple of hours texts in your answers and then Bobby will reveal all after 3 o'clock so here is his question so Garrett Southgate the England manager has given and I'm usually waited for board to 4 of the squad members Captain Harry gain goalkeeper Jordan picks and fortnight computer game darts maestros Jesselyn guard and barely any circuit has asked the players to work out of the weight each of the 4 foot walls and has given them for clues to words are so right he's down to number one the average weight of these 4 walls is 80 grams to number $23.00 Harry of football's we're 270 grams in total. Clue number 3 the hairiest war given to how he came is 3 times the weight of the latest war given to Jesse Lingard. Clue number 4 the other 2 middle 4 walls with exactly the same so your challenge is to work out the week or each of the 4 boards the galaxy has given to his team so the erosion has texted back and actually rose your 2nd text on a 5058 is correct so congratulations couple of goes out roses got it right Pete in bed for just got it right as well and Dean in San Miguel of the silliness in Spain has got it right David Knebworth has got it right there are a couple of others as well do you get touch with say 5 o 58 if you want to have a crack at that and your hip hop we reveal the answer a little bit later on let's head stateside there and find out what stories are making the news in The Washington Post with desiccant federally there in Marietta poor and Jessica good morning welcome to the program so how do you think you know you I'm very good in a segment that we should probably term Trump watch because we normally talk about Donald Trump we're actually starting with a story that's and it's quite unpleasant story about critics of Donald Trump this is the the mail bombs that's been going on for a couple of days now hasn't it and more targets revealed in the last 24 hours. Then it's been on for about 7 still are. Sorry the critic of the support of. The classic liberal causes today we heard that 2 more bombs dress to follow Vice President Joe Biden and why wasn't there still be at Robert De Niro both of them a little strong critics Trump In fact I think wasn't that much Lee invited into a bar just. Because there was so angry at whatever he was saying and now we find practically everybody target is people in. Democrats not people who criticize them and sometimes and today. Suggest that at least some of those letters may have been mailed from. Florida because it took for one thing many of them had their return address is a one congresswoman from Florida she had nothing to do with it even a nameless misspelled and it and a couple of them because the addresses for the other people are all right but it turned up office thinking that it came from there and interestingly other 1st. Think of how to listen to his aides in the White House and try to play nice and said I even had a right he said I'm supposed to be nice that your answer was a bit nicely today and then he just went on for 24 hours and went back to his old ways and today he treated most of the. Big cars by. Deliberate parts of polling by the mainstream media which he is again your mind of people he cards news and so he's calling the mainstream media to clean up their act and he didn't say anything about him calling people names like Maxine Waters who got the was a who was address 2 of the letters was called Little I Q individual and didn't say anything about you didn't even call on the former presidents Obama and Bill Clinton or target you in the is a president and it's a courtesy any any president would do extend to a former president. But he hasn't done it and she somehow still thinks he has to just blame the media for whatever that's happening and I think it's have been 2 weeks before the midterm elections and that he doesn't want to anger is basing his base is very happy so long as he criticizes the face news media and the Democrats and the liberals and. Migrants trying to come to the US of the southern border so that's another topic he has a lot of things to really fire up his base Yeah and just very quickly there's been some funny wild conspiracy theories on social media over the birth about the letter bombings and about that kind of money yeah and yeah a lot of including the. National security advisor Michael Sloan was saying that it was actually a Democrat. Plant and then some people are saying that caravan is financed by jobs . So these are all things but the Facebook and Twitter can't do much about it because they had a suspect the freedom of speech and stuff like that so it's going to go on it's going to be scary that great truths and it is Jessica thank you very much indeed that of The Washington Post Confederate Mariana poor and coming up we're going to talk sports Joel and camp walkable be here to catch up on the World Series where the Boston Red Sox are 2 games up against the L.A. Dodgers. For use. Only for anyone else this B.B.C. 5 Live it's 2 o'clock on 5 Live I'm Tom Green and this is awful night main news and 5 light blue train defends his actions over super that green shoots for the trip to Aruba Loftus she meets Chelsea. This is B.B.C. 5 Live. With the B.B.C. News on 5 Live whose house and whose good morning the Labor peers Lord had says it was his duty to name said Philip Green.