>> i'm not familiar with the name at all. >> reporter: his parents have bills from your office. >> yes, yes. >> reporter: checks written. no record? >> no. >> reporter: he says your therapy quite harmful. he said you told him to butch up, quote/unquote. >> never. that's not our language. >> reporter: when says people like yourself, others are trying to get the gay out of people -- >> that's a terrible way of phrasing it. i would rather say we're trying to bring out the hetero sexuality in you. >> reporter: he said he's kept hundreds of kids from growing up to be gay and credits george reikers, a believer that homosexuality is prevented and worked as a student at ucla in the 1970s. in a government funded experimental program, later called sissy boy syndrome, he treated a boy named kirk murphy. to turn around the so-called sissy behavior, kirk was repeatedly asked to choose between traditionally masculine