Transcripts For CNNW Crossfire 20140728

Plenty of opportunities to do that. Think of all of the money that they should have spent on getting people connected to water in the gaza, 20 of the population isnt even connected to a water source. 90 of the water that they get is not up to western standards. All of the money that went there, a lot of that money went into tunnels, missiles and weapons systems. It just doesnt seem that they want that part of the equation. I dont know. I think its very difficult ff i think in order to get them to negotiation you have to damage the military wing of hamas to the point where theyre willing to sit down and talk about demill that rye zags. Theyre not going to give up their rockets. Weve seen that in other excursions web especially between gaza and israel. Were going to have the to have a decisive military victory in order to get them to negotiate. So when the Obama Administration tells the iz rally government go ahead and accept an unconditional ceasefire, a lot of israelis dont want to do that because they want to finish what they see as a threat to israel. You say . I think thats right. You shouldnt ask israel to give up on what they call the counter tunnels. I think there are over 35 that the israelis have found and are deal with. They need to continue with that detunnelling or the countertunnel kind of operation in order to have a decure border. At the same time there are certain Logistic Centers for the manufacturer of these weapons. They ought to have the ability to dismantle those. An immediate ceasefire without having the difficult to continue on the countertunnelling is a serious mistake and thats why israel wont take it. I dont know why they have this conversation. Those are the two ways yous g get to an agreement. The motion that you have to stop doing what youre doing when over 2,000 missiles have landed or been fired into israel, it doesnt meet the reality on the ground and the threat that israel is under right now. Mike rogers is the chairman of the house committee. Thank you for joining us. Thanks, wolf. Israeli flares continue being illuminated over the skies of gaza city. We hear the pounding of artillery as well. You hear the drones. Theyre going through the skies over gaza city right now as well. Much more of the breaking News Coverage right after this. Hey there, i just got my bill, and i see that it includes my fico® credit score. Yup, you get it free each month to help you avoid surprises with your credit. Good. I hate surprises. Surprise at discover, we treat you like youd treat you. Get the it card and see your fico® credit score. 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Presumably those drones are going to continue flying. Theyre looking at images and other drones have missiles that could be launched at the same time. All of this happening for the pros tekt of the ceasefire remains grim. Thiss a growing force of critics out there blaming the man at the center of the negotiations, the u. S. Secretary of state john kerry. Weve been following all of the diplomatic tensions right now include some serious tensions between the u. S. And israel. Hes prepared for a Lengthy Campaign suggesting that israel is gearing up for a longer campaign as hopes weaken for a ceasefire. On the streets of new york today, a big show of support for israel but behind the scenes tensions are high as secretary of state john kerry struggles to secure a ceasefire. Any process to resolve the crisis in gaza in a lasting and meaningful way must lead to the disarmament of hamas and all terrorists groups. But after a week of shubt l diplomacy, kerry is under fire. The headline in israels leading newspaper reads reckless kerry risks causing escalation. His attempts to bring them into the negotiations, catastrophic. Pushback from the white house was swift and strong. John kerry, on maf of the united states, has been working ever ever step of the way with israel in support of our shared interests. Israels ambassador played down the appearance of a rift. Criticism of secretary kerry is unwarranted. Hamas leader gave a nod to kerrys diplomatic efforts in an interview with charlie rose. Mr. Kerry months ago tried to find a window through the negotiations in order to meet our target, to reach our state. On monday, Prime Minister netanyahu vowed operations would continue until the tunnels from gaza into israel were destroyed. He told cnns Candy Crowley he was opening to easing conditions in gaza but only if hamas was unarmed. You cant get the relief without is short demileterization. Elise, thanks very much. I want to show the viewers whats going on over gaza city right now. Weve been showing these images for the past nearly two hours. Israeli flares have been illuminating the skies. You hear the sounds of israeli drones flying over gaza city right now. You see a lot of smoke, a lack of pow near the major parts of gaza city right now. I dont know if the Power Generators have stopped working or if there are objections to kill some of the power in gaza city. What do you think you know, im here, in israel. The criticism of john kerry, if you read the israeli newspapers, is very intense, thinking he went way too far in accepting some of the hamas demands for a ceasefire. What do you say . Im frankly flabbergasted by the piling on here. Secretary kerry was doing his very best to achieve what we all understand israel wants, which is an end to the rocket fire. And a humanitarian cease fire that could lead to a negotiation in cairo that could lead to the disarmament that Prime Minister netanyahu has called for. He worked with the two parties had influence on the hamas. They were in alignment with the muslim brotherhood, some kind of rookie mistake. That was an attempt to get hamas to stop firing the rockets by working with the two parties that had some influence on them. This was not to undermine the Egyptian Initiative but to make it workable. I think that what the ambassador said is right. This is exaggerated an piling on and they should back off and express appreciation for the efforts that the secretary of state has been undertaking on their behalf. Because the argument that you hear in israel, ive heard it now myself from several high ranking israeli officials is that kerry went too far instead of getting turkey and cutter to accept the egyptian proposal as is, he started accepting what turkey and cutter wanted, in fact undermining the egyptian proposal which the israelis accepted. The people, all i can say is that they should read the kerry proposal which has now been leaked and compare it with the Egyptian Initiative and they will find that there is no significant difference between the two. Its an absurdity to argue that was undermining the Egyptian Initiative. It was a way to operationize the Egyptian Initiative to stop the bloodshed, israeli blood as well as palestinian blood being shed. What do you make of the fact that it looks like hamas and the Palestinian Authority have been brought closer together because of all of the bloodshed. How will that impact if in fact there is another Peace Process. How does that impact the Peace Process you worked so hard for a year to get off the ground. You made a little progress and then all of the sudden it totally collapsed. Weve got to start with first thing first, to get the ceasefire in gaza and then some kind of permanent arrangement in gaza that puts the Palestinian Authority back in control there. Hamas, through this reconciliation agreement just before the gaza conflict broke out agreed that the Palestinian Authority should take control. Thats the first step. In the context of putting the palestinian thrt back in control, there needs to be the principle of one government. And that means that not just hamas but all of the militias in gaza will have to disarm and that needs to take place in the context of a broader process of opening gaza and ensuring that theres International Support for the reconstruction of gaza. So its kind of a threepoint package that needs to be negotiated buns we have a ceasefire in place. If that can be fire, and it seems a long way off tonight. The Palestinian Authority in gaza, as hamas originally agreed, then it can become possible to look at the idea of resuming the negotiations this time with a unified Palestinian Authority with west bank and gaza, with it respecting the west bank and gaza. And that would in fact strengthen the ability to deal with the palestinians and get a meaningful agreement. Well, lets see if that can emerge from what clearly looks like a disaster happening right now. Thanks very much. Were live here in jerusalem. But right now flares are illuminating the skies over gaza city. You also hear the buzzing sound. Those are israeli drones flying over gaza city. Listen carefully for a second. They continue flying over gaza city. There are sbn explosions now for nearly two hours. Much more of the breaking News Coverage right after this. When folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. 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Whats your policy . Right back it gaza city. On the scene for us, watching breaking news, carl, explosions, at gunfire or flair illuminating the skies. We hear the sound of drones over gaza city. Update our viewers. Yeah, there is an update for you. Illumination rounds continue to fall around gaza city and the drones have continued to sound loud overhead. That seems to me to be an indication that illumination round are popped up into the night sky so those drones could have a good look of what is going on down below. Remember there is no moon at all tonight and that is why the drones and the cameras on their drones and off in the distance those explosions going up now from f16 fighter bombers. Stand by. Take a quick break. More of the special coverage right after this. I need to speak with your fraud resolution department. Ugh, we dont have that. What should i tell him . Just make that super annoying modem noise. shuuuuuuuh. Zzzzzzzz. De ee. Dong. Shuuuhh. hello . 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Right next door we look at syria. In the third war of civil war. 150,000 killed. White house says the Government Troops using chemical weapons and yet president ba shir assad moving in last week. Islamic stays spanning parts of iraq and syria. The clashes between isis and Iraqi Government leaving more than 5500 dead and 1. 2 million driven from their homes. In libya, worst fighting since 2011 revolution is under way, u. S. Just evacuated the embassy. Other countries, powerful militias. 97 People Killed in just two weeks and of course, up in the ukraine, as we know, fighting raging on. More than 1100 dead. As if all of that is not enough, remember, iran and north korea are the main concerns, north korea threatening it nuke the white house. Wolf . Sound like a lot going on right now and mostly bad. Thats it for me. Thanks for watching p. Im wolf blitzer in jerusalem. Erin Burnett Outfront start right now. Next, breaking news. Explosions and gunfire in gaza at this hour. Deadly day in the middle east overnight. Continuing we are live in gaza city tonight. Black box recorders, Officials Say they now know what happened to the plane before it crashed. And two americans infected with the deadly ebola virus, we will hear what happened tonight. Lets go outfront