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That simulator had been deleted. Its not clear who erased the information or when. But a Forensic Team is now working to try to recover it. And also right now, to that sharp turn to the west. That the jet took about an hour after takeoff. Senior u. S. Official tells cnn, the altered route was actually entered into the planes guidance system, at least 12 men minutes before the co pilots signed off with air Traffic Controllers with the words, quote, all right, good night. Mean time, a u. S. Government source says all Available Evidence indicates its far more likely the plane is in the southern search corridor than up north. And australians leading the search there are narrowing their focus to the waters off of perth. They hone the search based on ntsb analysis of the jets fuel reserves. Waiting for word of the planes fate is taking a very, very emotional toll on the families of the 239 passengers and crew members. And many are getting increasingly frustrated with what they see as a lack of transparency by the malaysian government and Malaysia Airlines. Some protested today at a hotel in kuala lumpur. It was an extremely chaotic scene, as Security Officers physically removed one distraught mother from the room. Watch this. [ crying ] [ screaming ] awful, awful, horrible scene. Malaysian authorities later released a statement, calling todays scene at that hotel regrettable, and they promise they would investigate. Were going to have more on what actually happened coming up later this hour. Were covering all of these developments as only cnn can. Our correspondents and analysts, they are all standing by. But lets go to our chief National Security correspondent, jim sciutto, here in washington. We found out, jim, today the fbi is actually examining the hard drives of the pilots computers, as well as the captains Flight Simulator. Tell us what we know about this. What it shows is that until they know what happened to this flight and why, theyre going to check and recheck everyone involved with that plane, particularly the pilots. And is youll remember yesterday malaysian authorities said they looked at the hard drives, looked at the simulator, didnt see anything suspicious, but now are taking it to the next step. You have copies of those hard drives, mirror copies of those hard drives now. Quantico, virginia, where the fbi, fbi analysts experts can piece together data there. Look for anything suspicious. As well as piece together what you mentioned, wolf, the parts of that Flight Simulator that or the data from that Flight Simulator that had been deleted. And thats what theyre doing right now. Again, they havent found the clue that is suspicious. But theyre going to be theyre going oh to keep looking until they have scoured it to the point where they can feel comfortable. I understand its not really all that hard to retrieve deleted data from these hard drives. Unless it was done in a very, very sophisticated way. Well, thats the question. Depends on how much it was deleted. I think we all have this impression when we delete emails or files that they disappear. They dont disappear. Experts, particularly the kinds of experts the fbi has, that do this on a regular basis, they can piece it together like pieces of a puzzle. You know, that it might not all be in one piece, but they could bring them together and get an idea, and i think that thats exactly what theyre doing right now. I think its unlikely there would be no trace of those deleted files. The question is, and the challenge will be to what degree it was deleted and therefore how much they could bring it together to glean something important and addictive from it. Jim sciutto, thank you. With us now our cnn aviation analyst, former ntsb managing director, peter goelz and aviation analyst, former American Airlines pilot, mark weise, and cnn Law Enforcement analyst, tom fuentes, former assistant director of the fbi. Tom, its significant that now the malaysians are at least letting the fbi go into those hard drives and investigate. Right, wolf. And theyll be able to tell deleted files that were not written over. And thats the problem with this. I mean, you can commercially buy programs for your own computer to go back to files youve deleted. What technically happens is, you delete a file, actually only the first letter from the name of the file is deleted. So it doesnt come back up. And when you go on your computer and say how much room do i have . It doesnt count that. It says thats available space. The next question is, when you save a new file, did it save over the top of in other words, erasing the previous file, or just pick new or different space. And thats what they have to look at. They bring up every deleted file that they can, and determine whether or not its been written over in the interim. How suspicious should we be about the deletions from this hard drive of this computerized Flight Simulator . Why would someone who is doing this kind of stuff go ahead and delete certain files . Well, it could be that his hard drive was getting full. I think just the act of deleting a file off your computer is not an indictment of anything. We have to dig into it deeper. And we should have been doing this about a week ago. Better late than never. Right. Theyll still be able to find out i assume theyll be able to find out what was deleted, right, mark . This should not be that difficult. No, i would think they would be able to get that. Remember, if youre going to be using a sim later, you want all the graphics possible. That seems to be a pretty sophisticated simulator, which would have taken up a lot of memory. What would raise suspicions . If they see some of these flight routes that this pilot was practicing on, for example, they would that would raise some alarm bells. Well, the problem with it is, in a way it will raise alarm bells and in a way it could be insignificant. In other words, heres a person who loves flying and might have put in destinations because Malaysian Air flies all over asia. They fly to the major cities, australia, for example, the major cities of china. So maybe he finds out hes going to have different routes later and wants to practice on. They so finding out that he was going to Brisbane Australia and erasing it. What if he had practice runs to somalia. Exactly. Or pakistan or afghanistan. That could raise some alarm bells. It could raise alarm bells, but he could be towing it just for the fun of it. And thats what you dont know. He could put in he wants to go to the north pole, you know, or one of these hot beds of terrorism, a place like that. And, again, what you dont know is, whether hes just for recreation purposes going, well, whats it like if i go here or there. And putting it in there and then realizing, well, that was fun, erase it for the next time. You just dont know. And now it looks like its pretty hard its confirmed that 12 minutes or so before the co pilot said all right, good night, seemingly suggesting that everything is fine, the computer on the cockpit was actually programmed to make that sharp left turn. Even though it didnt necessarily make it then, it was programmed. And what does that say to you . Well, i think if it holds up, its pretty damning evidence that whatever was going on in the cockpit, the pilot and the co pilot had to have known about it. One of them had to have entered the data. But ill defer to mark. What does that say to you, mark . Well, first of all, im not sure who would have gotten that information, that it happened 12 minutes before. The programming. It was programmed there. Im not sure how that data would have gotten to somebody on the ground. So im still suspect on Something Like that. Lets assume that thats real. Okay . Certainly that certainly puts more light on the potential for one or both of the pilots to have done something. But it also now heightens the suspicion that somebody could have entered the cockpit, either invited in or illegally gotten in there one way or another and put that in after the flight plan was originally put in on the ground, and agreed to. You know, the way the flight plans are put in, the pilots would get a hard copy of the flight plan. Then it would be uploaded by the companys operations into the flight Management System. And you would read back the data points from the flight Management System to the paper. And then you check that off. If the pilots had left the cockpit because this would have been done on the ground in kuala lumpur, then somebody could have gotten in there at that time and put something in. All right, guys. Dont go away. Were going to keep you here for the hour. Much more coming up sophisticated u. S. Surveillance plane stuck on the tarmac in malaysia right now. Were going to find out why one u. S. Navy search and rescue mission hasnt gotten off the ground. This is shocking new information were getting. Also, pure heartbreak for the families of those on board this missing plane. 239 people have van irished. Now their loved ones reaching a boiling point. Huh, fifteen minud save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Everybody knows that. Well, did you know pinocchio was a bad motivational speaker . I look around this room and i see nothing but untapped potential. You have potential. You have. Oh boy. Geico. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Ido more with less with buless energy. Hp is helping ups do just that. 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Malaysian Officials Say the search involves at least 57 ships and 48 aircraft from 13 countries. There have been, though, some frustrating delays. Heres our own Atika Schubert at the subban air base in malaysian with a look at how one u. S. Search and rescue mission was simply grounded. Reporter as you can see a, e plane is set to go, but its been delayed for hours and its a big frustration for the crew, because they just havent had clearance to fly over indonesia to begin their search. They have begun five missions so far. And the p3 is ideally suited for a search and rescue mission. Were going to attatake you ins and show why. While they wait for clearance, the crew goes own the plan to search 37,000 square nautical miles. The p3 orion was originally designed for hunting submarines, but now looking for flight 370 in the indian ocean. The Mission Commander introduces us to some of the 11man crew. This is the electronic operator. Right now petty officer enriquez, in charge of running the radar system. Reporter youve already done five missions so far. Can you run us through what you do with each mission . I run the radar, the madd system and the camera. So the radar is a primary sensor for search. Anything large in the water will show up on my radar. Ill take the camera, zoom in and make sure its nothing of interest. But if its something that might be of interest, then well drop down low, and well use observers, the flight station, and our eyes just to make sure that its nothing that could be, you know, survivor, wreckage or anything like that. Back here we have our port and star board observer windows, always two of them. Always manned. We constantly rotate so they dont get tired so we always have a fresh set of eyes in order to help out with the certain, as well. Reporter i just want to get your sense of what its like to be on a mission like this. Its obviously pretty unusual. Its really quite an honor to be able to be out here, participating in this search and rescue effort. Basically, as he was explaining, we probably have the most important job on the plane, keeping constant eyes on the ocean. Any clue we find or see that can help out in the search efforts, obviously could make the difference in finding this plane or not. Reporter the crew was kind enough to take us inside and show us around the plane. But its still on the ground. They have been delayed now for four hours. And it just goes to show, the frustrations of this search, why its taking so long to find flight 370. Atika schubert, cnn, at the subban air base in malaysian. And we have learned that the this u. S. Plane never took off. The flight was completely cancelled, because it never received the okay from indonesian officials to enter their air space. Lets bring back our panel. Tom, this is pretty shocking that everyone is supposed to be cooperating, including indonesia, but they wont let a u. S. P3 fly through their air space to look for what might be some wreckage . Youre right. I have no explanation for why they would do that. Do you have any explanation . What are they afraid of . I think its further evidence that when you have the indonesian government being nervous about the malaysian military being nervous about this investigation, it reflects the same thing. The ties did not reveal their radar data so nobody asked. If this were more civilianrun investigation, i dont think you would have these kinds theres tensions, clearly, between some of these governments out there. They dont trust each other. And as a result, a sophisticated u. S. Surveillance plane is not allowed to fly through Indonesian Air space. You would think just for reciprocity, because of Indonesian Airlines or international carriers, if this happened to one of their aircraft, they would want the full support of all of the nations involved. And certainly as an ikao member, you would expect them to want this, the international krifl aviation organization. They wait all day for hours and hours, this flight crew, to finally go out there and do something, and they dont get permission so the whole mission, at least on this day, has been cancelled. Why are they focusing in now on the southern arc, if you will, off the coast of indonesia, not far from australia and that whole area as opposed to the northern arc . Based on what . I think the u. S. , faa, ntsb radar experts have agreed that given the handshake returns, that thats the most prominent search area. And had we been involved earlier, thats where we would have been, since day one. Day one, they were looking in the south china sea. They were looking in the opposite total waste of time, based on everything we have now learned. Approaching two weeks, hard to believe. This mystery has now been going on for two weeks. And we always have to remember, 239 people were on board that plane, if you take a look at the passengers and the crew members. And our hearts go out clearly to all of them. Lets say theyre looking out there. Finding debris with these aircraft, thats a difficult, difficult challenge. Its a needle in the haystack. If youve ever flown out of open water and tried to spot something, its enormously difficult. And a lot of junk out there, too, tom, as you know. Just a lot of random stuff floating around. And you could get confused. Right. And when you travel around the world, you know, many of these cargo ships and cruise ships just throw garbage over the side. They flush their tanks. They do all kinds of things that are terrible for the environment. But they dont care. And if they think theyre in international waters, that debris can drift in and, you know, land on the coast of any of the countries involved. So thats another frequent thing, just standing on the coastline, you see junk come pouring ashore that some ship dumped out at sea. And we micssed the opportuniy to try and find a fuel slick. Its broken up by now. Its gone. Nearly two weeks into this. All right, guys, dont go away. Questions raised about the political leengs of the missing pilot were the airlines flight. Come up next, our own Christiane Amanpour sat down with a key malaysian opposition later to hear what he says about the speculation. A live report from london. And christiane. Thats coming up. No matter how busy your morning you can always do Something Better for yourself. And better is so easy with benefiber. Fiber thats tastefree, gritfree and dissolves completely. So you can feel free to add it to anything. And feel better about doing it. Better it with benefiber. So our business can be on at ts network for 175 a month . Yup. All 5 of you for 175. Our clients need a lot of attention. Theres unlimited talk and text. 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Christiane joining us from loobloob london. What did he tell you . Reporter this is the most extraordinary case of this incredible mystery intersecting with malaysias democratic opposition later. He was very upset in that he said how can these people be connecting us without a single shred of evidence. He denied pointblank that the pilot was in any way motivated by being upset at his current legal case that was reinstated in court. Listen to what he told me about knowing the pilot. He is related to my daughterinlaw, who is now working in new york. And ive met him on a number of occasions during party meetings, clamoring for a forum, supporting us in elections for democracy in malaysia. Reporter i want to read how one of your spokesmen described mr. Shah, the pilot. He is anwars sons wifes mothers fathers brothers son. Does that sound right . Thats a bit too complex. But my daughterinlaw told me that he is a family member, not too close, but she calls him uncle. Which is quite common here. But i know him basically as a party activist. Reporter do you think that he was a fanatic . Certainly is not. I mean, he supports our coalition. He supports a democratic reform. Hes against any form of extremism. We take a very strong position in clamoring for change through constitutional and democratic means. Although the electoral process is fraudulent. Reporter so he also said that the pilot was not in the court when his case was being adjudicated. This case hes been talking about, he has been sentenced back to jail, a target of the government because hes the main opposition threat to the government. So he is saying the pilot was not in court at that time. He also said something really interesting. That the malaysian government should have been able to track this flight with no trouble whatsoever. He said when he was finance minister, Anwar Ibrahim, that gentleman i interviewed, finance minister, they procured very advanced mar coney Radar Systems that he told me should have been able to detect and to track that flight at any time, anywhere, in that greater area. Fascinating material, christiane. And i assume Anwar Ibrahim is not very praise worthy of the way the current malaysian government, hes the opposition leader, is conducting this investigation, right . Reporter well, you can imagine that hes not at all in fact, he says that part of blaming him is a smear to deflect from the criticism that the government is getting. But he also said something very interesting. This government and for years and decades in malaysia, has never had a free press, he said. So they are not used to this constant questioning by the independent press who is there right now in droves to try to get some answers. That everything that happens in that part of the world is shrouded in all sorts of secrecy, and they tend to wrap things up in the cloak of National Security. And he said thats one reason why perhaps theyre simply not used to answering these questions. That in addition to the fact that it obviously has been pretty badly mishandled now 12 days into this mystery. Certainly is. All right christiane, thank you very much. Christiane amanpour, reporting from london. The mystery surrounding flight 370 is becoming more painful by the day for the families of the passengers and crew members. 239 people were on board that plane. That anguish boiling over today. The emotional scene is coming up next. I reckon a storms a brewin. Reckon so. Reckon you gotta hotel . Reckon, no. Reckon priceline express deals will get you a great deal. Wherever you. Mosey. You reckon . We reckon. Vamonos the spring hotel sale is on at priceline. Com. 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[ crying ] [ speaking in Foreign Language ] as you can see, the grieving families reaching their breaking point. It must be incredibly painful not knowing if your loved one is alive or dead. What happened to them. Mark donbrof, aviation attorney in washington, has represented airlines in these kind of flight disasters. What do you say to a mother like that who is screaming out in anguish because her son is lost. I think the airline, Malaysia Airlines, in this instance, wolf, is in a terrible predicament. I think that familinesses, in our experience, over the years want information. Thats what they want. And there just doesnt seem to be any information. Theres lots of speculation, lots of rumors. Theres lots of reversals, of course. But what the families want is information. And the airline is the point of contact for them. And to the extent that the wrath or the anger or the emotion is directed, its directed at the airline, which itself wants the answers. So i think that saying, be patient or were working on it or the investigation is on a fullcourt press, frequently is not enough. So if Malaysia Airlines hired you, like other airlines have done in these kinds of disasters, what would you tell them . What should they do . What advice would you give . I think there are very sophisticated organization, they operate in the united states, they have a Family Assistance Program in place, whether the accident occurs here or yells can where, where it occurs. They have brought in third party providers, companies that are experts in dealing with these disasters. I think that one of the things that i would suggest, and the problem is that theyre not running the investigation. Malaysia airlines doesnt run the investigation. Malaysian government. The malaysian government runs it. So to a certain extent, even though its the national airline, they are indeed at the mercy of, and under the control of the government. Same thing could happen here if there was a united disaster, the ntsb or faa would take charge. Correct. And indeed, under malaysian accident investigation rules, and they have relatively sophisticated rules, all investigations are deemed to be private, which means no information gets released. If an accident occurs in this country, the airline is not permitted to comment about the investigation at all. They are party to the investigation. All of the information comes from the National Transportation safety board, and customarily, the member of the board who is present on the scene will brief the families on a regular ongoing basis. Or the investigator in charge will brief the families. These families believe Malaysia Airlines and malaysian government are withholding information from them. That is a credibility gap and a trust gap that could be as more time goes by very difficult to overcome. I think if i had a criticism, the criticism is not directed at the airline. The airline is in an impossible position in this instance. The Airline Industry has been so safe for so many years, that you do not have the institutional experience that most airlines in terms of how do you deal with these situations. Moreover, the very best Emergency Response plan is only good for the first several hours. And after that, youre responding and trying to stay out in front. And when, in fact, you dont have the information, youre really limited on what you can say to the families. Mark dombroff, thank you for coming in. My pleasure, thank you. Up neck, investigators trying to figure out why data was deleted from a Flight Simulator that belonged to the pilot of the missing Malaysian Airlines plane. Well get reaction from the Virginia Company right outside of washington, d. C. , that actually made the simulator. [ chainsaw whirring ] humans sometimes life trips us up. Sometimes we trip ourselves up. 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And work is now under way to try to retrieve it. The company that made the sim later is actually based in alexandra, virginia, right outside washington, d. C. And brian todd is here. You actually went out to the company and just got back here to the studio. What did you see out there, what did they tell you . They didnt tell us anything. They didnt want to speak to us. We were told the head of the company was not available, wolf. An update to what you just said. We have been told by Law Enforcement officials that u. S. Law enforcement officials are examining the hard drives of the pilot and the first officer of the missing plane. The hard drive includes Software Information from the home Flight Simulator owned by the captain, zaharie ahmed shah, the captain of the missing flight. Investigators, as you mentioned, did discover some data was deleted from the simulator, not saying what was deleted or who deleted it. And its not necessarily any evidence of ill intent here. We have to say that. But as far as how unusual this is, on a web forum, one person who uses Flight Simulators say that that piece of information is meaningless. The people add and delete, load and delete data from simulators constantly. But the owner of one simulator, manufacturer, says he believes it is unusual to delete data, because these files are very small and pilots often keep them on there to measure their progress in flight simulation. So getting differing opinions of whether its unusual or not to delete data from a Flight Simulator. Now as far as that company you mentioned that manufactured the software for captain shahs home simulator, that company is pmtg simulations based in alexandra. They make that software. We could not reach their the head of that company, robert n rondozeno, but he did issue a statement on a web Forum Last Night and here is a quote. Some commentators have focused on captain shahs love of the flight simulation hobby as a suggestion he may have played a role in the disappearance of mh370. Such wild conjecture is not only insulting it those of us who wear or worn the stripes of a captain, but he also said it could hurt the flight simulation hobby industry, and he also said that other than being a customer, captain shah had no connection to his company. So at this place in alexandra, right outside washington, they just do the software. They make the software for simulators and im not sure if they actually manufacture whole sim laters or not but do a lot of that type of thing and very representable company and their product is good but they didnt want to talk to us. And now were told the fbi is going through the hard drives to see what was deleted, if there is anything suspicious at all, no indications yet. Thats right. Thank you. Up next, the many of you who have important questions about flight 370, were going to try to get some solid answers to as many of them as possible. Our panel of experts standing by. And later, tensions in crimea threatening to get bloodier. Were going to tell you about a standoff at a Ukrainian Naval head quarter. Your education is built to help move your career forward. Heres how we work with leading employers to learn what you need to learn so classes impact your career. While helping ensure credits youve already earned pay off. And we have Career Planning tools to keep you on track every step of the way. Plus the freshman fifteen, isnt really a thing here. And graduation, its just the beginning. Because we build education around where you want to go. So, you know, you can get the job you want. Ready, lets get to work. Put it on my capital one i earn unlimited double miles. Hey, youre not the Charles Barkley . Yes i am. Nah Charles Barkley is way taller. 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But when a plane is at the outer edges of the radars effective range, the returns become very so you dont necessarily buy that notion no. 35,000 went up to 45, down to 23. That was reported a couple days ago in the new york times. Say we hold that one. Heres a question, tom. With the largest u. S. Naval base in the indian ocean, why didnt the u. S. Navy see this plane . We have radar there. If the plane didnt get anywhere near it, thats a gigantic area. And if they werent looking and nobody said until several days later that it even went west, there would be no reason to be looking for it. And know it went through their space. May not have gone through their radar space. Heres another question, mark. Mary kirk patrick wants to know, why wouldnt the Flight Attendants alert air Traffic Control that something was amiss on the flight . Well, you have to alert air Traffic Control from the cockpit. You cant do it from the beyond the cockpit . No, you cant. No button you can push that a chief Flight Attendant or anybody could push . Weve got a serious problem here . Theres no method in the cabin. Why is that . That sounds like thats a problem. Well, im not sure thats really a problem. You think about it, its also a security control. If somebody gets into the cockpit and locks the door, and its a bad person, wouldnt the flight wouldnt you want the Flight Attendant to report to the ground, ground control, hey, weve got a problem up here. Theres been a lot of controversy whether or not you should have locked and cockpit doors. That has certainly been one of the questions always asked. But at this time in answer to marys question, no, you cant respond to the ground control. Should they reconsider that, put some procedure, some button back there that a Flight Attendant could use that weve got a disaster going on here . Well, on 9 11, betty ann called from an air phone. I think there might be some unintended consequences to having that capability in the back of the plane. I think it needs to be looked at. I think its got some challenges. Heres another question for you, tom. There was no increase in terrorist chatter after the plane went missing. Was the chatter level too quiet after such an event . No, i think from a what ive heard, wolf, it was just about the average amount of people calling each other and talking about things. The chatter that usually what they were looking for was the bragging chatter. Because, among the terror groups, look how great we are. We pulled this off, we did this, we did that. And then other people calling other people, did you hear what they did. And so really, its more of the post event glory that theyre seeking. One person one expert said to me, i dont know if this is realistic or not, ill throw it out to you. You used to work at the fbi. In the aftermath of all of the nsa surveillance stories, these terrorists out there, they suspected everybody is listening or at least the nsa is listening to their chatter, if you will. And they dont talk on the phone or on their cell phones or pass messages along on their computers the way they used to. Well, the problem with that theory is that then they cant coordinate any attack and cant arrange for anything. So they still have to they do it is they still have to talk to each other. No matter if they think they are being listened to or not. Thats the problem with them. Heres the other problem we havent talked about. How many times did they think they were not talking or emailing anyone. In the four hood shootings, assan was emailing in yemen, but noting his coworkers. He was not no one in the u. S. Or coworkers knew he was thinking about that. Thats the other problem. We had other attacks where there was no advance. You look at the Boston Marathon bombing. I ask you this every day. Me can tal failure or human involvement. Im leaning towards that. I think it was human intervention. If you have questions about flight 370, post them to twitter. 370 q. Later tonight at 10 00 p. M. , don lemon will host a special report on flight 370. He and an expert panel will answer many more of your questions. We will have much more on the missing plane coming up here on cnn. There now indications you could be getting more violent. An expert promoting democracy. What can be done to end the crisis if anything. Bl. And a choice. Take 4 advil in a day which is 2 aleve. For all day relief. Start your engines suddenly youre a mouthbreather. Well, put on a breathe right strip and instantly open your nose up to 38 more than cold medicines alone. So you can breathe and sleep. Shut your mouth and sleep right. Breathe right. So you can breathe and sleep. Humans we are beautifully imperfect creatures, living in an imperfect world. 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Thats just an houro so from now or ukraine will take action of technical or technological character. Cnn is checking on whether that could mean military action. The latest statement comes as ukrainian Officials Say nearly 300 armed pro russian supporters stormed ukraines naval headquarters earlier today. U. S. Officials continue to keep a close eye on the growing number of ukrainian border. Congresswoman, thanks very much. Its pretty scary. The whole thing is pretty scary. I sure under estimated it. Putin would not annex crimea because he hasnt annexed the two territories between russia and georgia. Swift operations in crimea that intimidated voters. Is he being provocative . You bet he is. Is he going to move beyond crimea . There other Russian Forces now poised on the border with ukraine. There is a lot of theory out there that crimea could be step number one, but then he moves to other parts of ukraine, even though in a speech before the doom of the Russian Parliament he said he was not going to do that. Its hard to get in his head. He is clearly a bully. He is trying to brush off the efforts of the west to impose sanctions and to beef up nato forces and with exercises along the borders with russia. President biden is there and he is more in touch with this than i am. I think the right answer has to be we dont know. We have to have a very clear response. I think we have to step up the economic sanctions not with standing the objections of many firms in the u. S. And europe who have close economic financial and energy ties and depend on energy from russia. I think we have to think medium term, there is a good oped from tom friedman to match the space race. The last time we were in a cold war paradigm with russia, in a smart way to develop all of our Energy Resources including renewables and energy and have a strategy to export to europe and keep us independent and if we do those things, that could truly scare russia and the goal now is to push back against a bully. This guy is a bully with a view of russia. Calling him names is not helpful. Cornering him in a way that can be effective would be helpful. A diplomatic offramp. Is crimea part of russia . That has to be yes. That was predicted by folks and bob gates said it was gone. I think the things, one thing i didnt mention and beefing up nato resources around the borders of russia to support our allies, they could invoke article five. We would have to come to their defense. The other thing is to help ukraine had bad governments since its basic revolution. Even the savior there is an olegark and her government is not given high marks. Standing up Something Different and helping them do that and providing aid and around the impasse will be better. We have to leave it there, but we will continue this conversation. Thats it for me. A special twohour edition of the situation room. Newsroom starts with Brooke Baldwin right now. Thank you, fwrit to be with you. More on the missing flight 370. Lets get there. We were told that the pilots at home Flight Simulator seen behind him came up clean. Nothing suspicious. Now we have learned that data was deleted from the simulator. Now we know that the fbi