people who served as fake electors. we are seeing search warrants going out to john eastman and jeffrey clark. it appears that the justice department is investigating those crimes. to get search warrants, they had to convince a judge that there was probable cause to believe that there was evidence of a crime on those phones. it doesn't mean that they are building from the bottom up. that is the way these cases usually go. one of the things that can be helpful is if someone is charged along the way, sometimes they will use those charges as an inducement and leverage to try to get that person to cooperate against those higher up in the operation. >> you did tweet out that this could be an indication that there is much more happening below the surface with the doj. since this fourth hearing, as you mentioned, the doj issuing several subpoenas to state officials as part of their own investigation into trump's plan to use alternative electors in an attempt to declare himself the winner of the 2020 election. what do you think could come of this move from the doj if you are allowing yourself to speculate a bit here? >> depending on what they find,
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