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At early screenings, it got standing ovations, and talk of oscar nominations. But with fame, came scrutiny, and nate parkers past began to make headlines. You know, i i was falsely accused. You know, i went to court. And i sat in trial. You know, i was i was i was vindicated. I was proven innocent. I was vindicated. Mary quin right away, we knew this waslooked like we were going to be taken hostage, this was a kidnapping. Whitaker how many kidnappers were there . Quin about 18. Whitaker how mary quin survived is a story in itself. And so is what the terrorist behind the kidnapping learned you dont mess with mary quin. Quin i just took another step closer to him and put my foot down on his head and that just gave me some leverage. Whitaker so you wrestled the gun away from him . Quin yes, and said some things that we wont repeat on television. Quin it was casting aspersions on his mother, ill put it that way. Im steve kroft. Im leslie stahl. Im bill whitaker. Im anderson cooper. 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Ask your doctor if youre tresiba . Ready. . Tresiba . Ready . Leslie stahl the sea ice over the arctic is melting and shrinking so fast, we will see in our lifetime something that hasnt happened, its believed, since the end of the last ice age the opening of an ocean, access to trade routes and trillions of dollars worth of oil and natural gas, almost as much as the entire u. S. Economy. But this isnt a story about Climate Change; this is a story about the competition for those riches. The russians, for instance, have already amassed a Major Military presence in the region. Its also about pioneers u. S. Scientists and naval personnel, learning to tough it out in the harshness of this still ice covered frontier. We discovered just how harsh, on a recent trip to the arctic. The arctic ocean sits on top of the globe, encircled by russia, which encompasses about half of its coastline, norway, greenland, canada and the united states, thanks to alaska. We flew, as guests of the navy from prudhoe bay alaska 200 north pole, over fractured, thinning ice, to a spot where the ice was still thick enough to support this base camp. It was a small temporary village, disrupting the peace and purity of the ice, white as far as the eye can see. The camp was built for a scientific and military exercise, called icex 2016. Hi, everyone. How do you do . Nice to meet you. Stahl for five weeks, this no mans land of ice was home to an Expeditionary Team of sailors, scientists and engineers, Whose Mission was to understand how to survive in maybe the most hostile conditions on earth. The navy says those taking part in this exercise are the first humans ever to set foot on this part of the planet. Its actually beautiful beyond belief isnt it . Chuck mcguire it really is. Stahl Chuck Mcguire was one university of washingtons applied physics lab that was brought in to build this camp from scratch. So you get off the plane. Theres nothing. Mcguire yeah. Stahl theres no shelter, theres no indoors. Mcguire no. Stahl there was just ice . Mcguire ice everywhere. Thats right. Stahl and you say, how am i going to survive . Mcguire you pick up a hammer and start building. Stahl they built a makeshift city called sargo for roughly 60 people, consisting of a command post, tight living quarters, a mess hall stocked with food airlifted in weekly, and some very primitive toilet facilities. Mcguire that outhouse is really cold. laughter stahl that outhouse is awful oh my god what about water . You cant just eat the ice, right . Mcguire you can if you know what youre looking for. Stahl this ice mining team knows what to look for old sea ice thats been baking in the sun long enough that the salt has leached out. Team. We are returning back to camp. Stahl they bring back chunks to melt down into the camps only drinking water. Mcguire all the things that you take for granted in normal civilization, right, shelter, food, the ease of going to the bathroom, right . That is all different out here. laughs stahl what qualities do you think it takes to stay here and survive out here for weeks . Mcguire i think maybe you have to be a little off, initially. And really understand that everything outside that door is trying to kill you here. Stahl if the ice and wind dont get you, polar bears might. An armed sentry patrols the perimeter of the camp in case one comes looking for food. Good evening everyone. Another successful day here at sargo. Stahl theres a Daily Briefing in the command post to coordinate the various researchers who are studying and trying to understand this part more sustained presence here. Theyre analyzing among other things scott the ice floes moved about nine miles to the west northwest today. Stahl how Climate Change is affecting the way the ice here drifts and migrates. It feels like youre on land, you get the sense that youre on land its very firm you know, a plane could land, but were moving, which is kind of astonishing. Luers i think every day its interesting to wake up and recognize youre eight or nine miles from where you were it looks the same, but its pretty interesting to try and figure that out. Stahl the ice moves that much every day in unpredictable directions because of the currents underwater and the wind above. Down here, were 23 degrees celsius. Stahl also unpredictable is the weather. We met a team of meteorologists using balloons to help with forecasting which is key for any military operation. Scott parker so, these temperature, your dew point, the wind speed. Stahl commander scott parker, a meteorologist with the navys Atlantic Submarine force, says theres virtually no weather Data Collected up here. In other parts of the world meteorologists rely on satellites for forecasting, but up here near the north pole satellite coverage is minimal. How cold does it get up here . cause its right now, i dont know if parker it is freezing, right . Stahl people can see, its terribly parker l is is 26 . Below fahrenheit, and todays actually our warmest day stahl come on . Parker and right now, its 6 . Below. Stahl and with this wind chill factor . Because the wind is really blowing. Parker it is. And its terrible. Its about 25 . Below zero with the wind chill. Stahl and youre telling me this is the warmest day youve had . Parker this is the warmest day weve had so far. Stahl do you want to go inside . Parker i do. Lets go. Stahl the temperature can drop to as low as 50 below and that can wreak havoc on just about everything weapons, communications systems, these navy divers who were here to test their latest cold weather gear, and their endurance, in the frigid water. These robotics engineers are conducting underwater experiments in a temperature controlled tent. When we were there, doug horner and his team were fieldtesting these underwater drones, for the first time in the arctic. Doug horner when we first put it in, we check the ballast stahl the drones are collecting Scientific Data about the arctic where the water gets warmer the deeper you go. Theyre also getting a picture of what it looks like down below. Horner my primary emphasis here is the ability to map the underice. So we have sensors, sonar specifically which is sound, which is focused upwards and what we hope to do with continually putting sound upwards is to make a map. Stahl youre the mapping the bottom of the ice . Portion of the ice. Stahl uh uh. And why is that important . Horner i want to be able to navigate relative to that. So this is the idea of being able to navigate an underwater robot accurately without g. P. S. Cause in the ice you dont have the opportunity to come up to the surface for a gps fix. Stahl he says these drones could also be used to patrol the waters of the arctic, looking for enemy subs, for instance, the way drones hover in the sky over a battlefield. The navy is testing this telo this research, to prepare for an expanded presence in the arctic, as the ice continues to melt. The russians are already there in force. Last year they staged a military exercise in the arctic as seen in this Russian Ministry of defense footage. It involved about 40,000 troops, 15 submarines, 41 warships and multiple aircraft. No one disputes their right to announced. Philip breedlove we pre announce ours. No one is surprised by them. Whereas the exercise that russia did was a snap exercise which is a bit destabilizing. Stahl until may of this year, retired fourstar general Philip Breedlove was the supreme allied commander of nato with responsibility for the arctic. What else is destabilizing, he says, is russias military build up aloom northern sea route skirting the Russian Arctic coastline. The route could become an alternative to the suez canal, saving huge amounts of time and money for the commercial shipping industry. Breedlove i have heard as much as 28 days decrease in some of the transit from the Northern European markets to the asian markets. That is an incredible economic opportunity. And it could be a very boon big boon to business around the the russians did gain control over the northern sea route . Breedlove if the russians had the ability to militarily hold that at ransom, that is a big lever over the world economy. Stahl so tell us in a nutshell whats happening. Breedlove along that route what we see is russia upgrading over 50 airfields and ports, 14 of them to be done this year, increasing the number of ground troops, putting in surfaceto air missiles, putting in sensors. That could be used that could be used to deny access. Stahl in 2007 russia went so far as to plant its flag on the sea floor under the north pole. Breedlove i think its important to understand what the deputy Prime Minister said, that the arctic is a part of russia, that that they will provide the defense for the arctic and that they will make money in the world may, therefore, bring sanctions on them, but thats okay because tanks dont need visas. I think it sends a pretty clear message. Stahl the u. S. Has not tried to match the russian build up, the navy relying on its fleet of nuclear and attack submarines, the most powerful in the world. When we were there, the navy was conducting a submarine warfare exercise, something it does in the arctic every two years. When a sub surfaces in the arctic, they use shovels to carve a visual landmark in the ice that the sub can see. X literally marks the spot. But that x is a moving target because of the drifting ice. Luers there we go stahl which makes maneuvering a windowless steel cylinder the size of a football field to such a pinpoint location seem impossible. But on this day, the skipper and thick ice, nailed it on their first try. It took a few minutes for the sail, the shark fin on top, to completely emerge. There they are. Stahl when they popped the hatch, a special guest climbed out, the secretary of the navy, ray mabus, whod been on board for five days, taking part in the naval exercise. What does it mean that the secretary of the navy has come is there a special significance to you being here . Ray mabus our responsibilities are increasing as the arctic ice melts, as the Climate Changes. And so the navy has got to be here, weve got to provide that presence and i hope that my presence emphasizes what we do. Stahl as he flew off to alaska, we climbed down the ladder into the fastattack, nuclearpowered u. S. S. Hampton, and went through a 100 degree change in temperature, from 25 below to about 75. Theron davis oh no. Not at all. You get used to it. Stahl commander of the hampton, theron davis, took us to the control room as the crew prepared to submerge. Davis stationary dive the ship. Stationary dive the ship, aye, sir. Dive. Stationary dive the ship. Make your depth 150 feet. Stahl what he and his crew of 20somethings are practicing is something subs only do in the arctic. horn sounding diving down through new ice that had formed around the sub. What is that . Davis thats the ice breaking away. Its the first time weve surfaced through this thick ice and stayed up here this long. So thats the ice thats beside us. And as we go down, its got to crack crack away from the hull. Stahl were listing. Im tilting this way. I can feel everything. Davis and now were starting to see water. See the water on the monitor . Stahl once they get to a cruising level, they practice hide and seek with another sub. In some of the exercises, they you a torpedo tube. Stahl one of their challenges is ice keels, huge chunks of ice that jut down from the surface, and confuse sonar guided torpedoes that cant distinguish them from enemy submarines. Davis so what were working on is saying, hey, how can we fix that . How do we know we can go and shoot shoot a weapon in the ice and get a hit . Right . So now, we have to go up there and we have to figure that out. Stahl we returned to the surface. Davis were coming up right now. Stahl one american sub in a region with a growing Russian Military presence. During our last day at the camp, something dramatic happened. A crack in the ice along the perimeter became a giant lake. New fissures formed right through the heart of the camp, up to the doorstep of the command post. 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The slave revolt on which the film is based is a reallife event from the past that nate parker hopes can help blacks and whites confront americas fraught racial present. Upcoming release, and the filmmakers future in hollywood. 17 years ago when he was a student at penn state university, nate parker and his roommate were accused of rape. Parker was found not guilty in a court of law, but now, on the cusp of stardom, he finds himself back on trial, this time in the court of public opinion. The lord is our light and our salvation. Cooper the birth of a turner, a slave and preacher who believed he was called by god to lead a rebellion to end slavery. Rebel cooper nate parker, who plays nat turner, not only stars in the movie, he wrote, produced, and directed it. Parker spent eight years struggling to bring his version of nat turners story to the screen. Do you think its fair to say you became obsessed with nat turner . With making this movie about nat turner . Nate parker yeah, i i what i believed to be the potential impact. Cooper when the birth of a nation was first shown at the Sundance Film Festival in january, the impact was immediate. It won top prizes, and Hollywood Studios came calling. First thing up right now is gonna be the guys lined up. Cooper Fox Searchlight paid 17. 5 million for this independent film, the most money any studio had ever paid for a movie at sundance. But with fame, came scrutiny, about two months ago nate headlines. Charlie rose one of hollywoods rising stars is facing tough questions about his past. Nate parker. Cooper there are conflicting accounts of what happened at penn state one night in 1999. Nate parker was a 19yearold sophomore wrestler when he and his fellow teammate Jean Celestin were accused by a female student of rape. Both men admitted they had sex at the same time with the accuser, but they said it was consensual. Naming, admitted to a prior consensual encounter with nate parker, but on the night in question had consumed a lot of alcohol, and said she was in and out of consciousness. Do you feel guilty about anything that happened that night . Parker i dont feel guilty. Cooper do you feel you did something morally wrong . Parker as a christian man, just being in that situation, yeah, sure. Im 36 years old right now. And and and my faith is very important to me. You know, so looking back through thats feel like its not the lens that i had when i was 19 years old. Cooper nate parker was found not guilty of rape, but what wasnt widely known until variety magazine discovered it in august, was that his accuser had dropped out of penn state and after suffering years of psychological problems, killed herself in 2012. Parker i had no idea. I had absolutely no idea. I found out in the news. Cooper what did you think when you heard that . Parker i was devastated. It was it was shocking. It. Cooper you havent apologized to the the woman or her family . Parker uhhuh. Cooper do you feel you have anything to apologize for . Parker ill say this, you know, i do think its tragic, so much of whats happened. And and the fact that the familys had to endure with respect to this woman not being here. But i do i also think that you know, and i dont want to harp on this and i dont want to be disrespectful of them at all. You know, but, you know, at some point i have to to say it. You know, i i was falsel you know, i went to court. And i sat in trial. You know, i was i was i was vindicated. I was proven innocent. I was vindicated. And and i feel terrible that this woman isnt here. You know, i feel terrible that, you know, her family had to deal with that. But as i sit here, an apology cooper theres been withering criticism of parker online and in print. In los angeles, the birth of a nation posters appeared on the street with the word rapist. Did you see those . Parker i didnt see. I didnt see any of those. Of course, i heard. I dont want to make myself the victim, you know, to to its you have to fight back the instinct to defend yourself. You know, you just got to take it. Found not guilty at trial, his friend Jean Celestin was convicted of Sexual Assault and went to prison, but his conviction was eventually overturned and his criminal record expunged. Both men remain friends, and celestin, a writer, helped parker with the birth of a nation. Was it a mistake to have him involved in the film . Parker i dont think so at all, the reality is jean went to jail for something he did not you want to help with this . Cooper were you surprised that there was criticism that you continued an association with him . Parker yes. Remember your little sister is on here be careful. Cooper we met with nate parker in june, months before the story of his trial was widely known. He was excited audiences would soon have the chance to see his film. It was not, he said, an easy movie to make. Nat . Cooper turners bloody rebellion against slavery only lasted two days, but of thees his enslaved followers killed, many were women and children. Are are you ready for criticism that, look, the film isnt 100 historically accurate. Parker uhhuh. Theres never been a film that was 100 historically accurate. Thats why they say based on a true story and doesnt say, a true story. Cooper did you always plan on calling this film birth of a nation . Parker i did. Before i ever wrote the first line of dialogue. Cooper parker picked the title because of the original film called the birth of a nation, directed by d. W. Griffith in 1915. Considered a technical masterpiece for its time but its also a film that glorified the ku klux klan and solidified stereotypes of African Americans in hollywood that parker says persist today. Parker why is it important that d. W. Griffith that we that we that we recognize what he did to hollywood. Oh, well, itll give us a better understanding of why were having conversations about diversity now. Cooper so how is how is nat turner the birth of of our nation . Parker well, because in the same way that im reclaiming the title, im reclaiming you know, nat turner, birth of a nation of of resisters. Of people that were truly willing to die for absolute freedom and liberation. Cooper nate parker was never taught about nat turners revolt in school, despite the fact that it took place in southampton county virginia, less than 50 miles from where parker grew up. Parker never once did i hear about nat Turner Cooper so, it wasnt until college that you actually read something about Nat Turner Parker thats right. I started to read, and i was like, oh, my goodness. Existed. Cooper why is it important to know what happened to nat turner . To know what he did . Parker well, why is it important to know about George Washington . Why is it important to know about the revolutionary war . Cooper but youre saying that what nat turner did, and those around him did, youre putting it on par with George Washington . With the founders of this country. Parker absolutely. 100 . I mean just by virtue of the the vocabulary. Of the words they used. You know, when you think of, give me liberty or give me death, nat turner embodied that. Take up arms against your oppressor. Nat turner embodied that too. He just did. Cooper when he was researching nat turners story for the film, parker spent time in southampton county. The fields where the rebellion began look much like they did 185 years ago, and above them, the Confederate Flag still flies. Turner was hanged from a tree when his revolt failed, but there arent any memorials in southampton county to honor him, just this small plaque on the research. Parker yeah, did some research. At the county courthouse there are some papers and artifacts related to turner. Cooper do you feel like you understand nat turner . That you know who he is . Parker i think i do. To know what nat turner wanted, you dont have to only know nat turner. You know, when you talk about freedom and liberation, these are constants, you know what i mean . Its the freedoms binary. Youre either free or youre not. And so for him, in fighting, as a preacher, as saying that, if this bible that im being taught is real, then these people are wrong. Person that is moving as the hand of god, then i have to do something to subvert this system. Rick francis this is nat turners sword. Cooper we were shown the sword that turner is believed to have used during the uprising, by rick francis, the county clerk, who happens to be a descendent of the family that owned nat turner. He doesnt see turner as a heroic figure, at least 17 of his ancestors were killed in the rebellion. When you see this, what do you think . Parker i think theres power in it. Know . Resistance is an option, you know . This is not only the identity of nat turner, but its also the identity of america, you know . Subjugation leads to revolution. And sometimes, its done with a sword. Cooper though nat turner failed to end slavery, his actions did strike terror into the hearts of white southerners. Some residents we spoke to were worried that nate parkers film would open old wounds. He says thats exactly the point. Boy you better Say Something and quick. Parker i dont want to make a story thats digestible. You know, i want you to have heartburn, you know what i mean . I want this to be something that is incendiary, that that really makes us think and makes us question who we are. And i think that that is what nat turner does. I see how for every verse they use to support our bondage theres another demanding our freedom. Cooper parker believes turners example is just as relevant today as it was when he led his revolt against parker theres a line in the film where his wife says, theyre killin people everywhere for no all reason at all but being black. Theyre killin people everywhere for no reason at all but being black. Parker this was the norm then. So too is it now in many ways, where unarmed black men are being being killed and theres no recourse. And were becoming desensitized to the fact that theres no recourse. Cooper so what is the message for today . Parker for me, one, resistance is an option. Cooper and what does resistance mean . Parker having a riotous disposition toward injustice. Cooper does this encourage violence . Parker well, it i dont think it encourages violence. I think it encourages action. But we have different tools than nat turner had. Nat turner had axe handles and broomsticks. You know . We have the worldwide web. If nat turner had instagram or a twitter, said, this is what were doing, or, we want to be free, and he had followers, i think it would have been a different revolution. But the reality is is he had what he had. Cooper the film the birth its success may depend not just on audiences interest in nat turner, but on their opinions about nate parker. There are some people whove said theyre not going to see this film because of the accusations against you. What do you say to them . Parker well, i i do feel thats unfortunate. You know, i think that nat turner, as as a hero, what he did in history is is is bigger than me. I think its bigger than all of us. How should nat turner be remembered . Descendants of men on opposite sides of the rebellion disagree. Go to 60minutesovertime. Com. Sponsored by lyrica. Before fibromyalgia, i was energetic. I was active. Then the chronic, widespread pain drained my energy. My doctor said moving more helps ease fibromyalgia pain. He also prescribed lyrica. 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How mary quin survived is a story in itself, and so is what she did after the kidnapping. She got a prominent muslim her abduction. Abu hamza learned the hard way that you dont mess with mary quin. The kidnapping began as her tour group drove through the yemeni desert. A pickup truck full of gunmen, swerved onto the road, forcing her convoy to stop. Mary quin right away, we knew this waslooked like we were going to be taken hostage, this was a kidnapping. Whitaker how many kidnappers were there . Quin about 18. Whitaker were they rough with you . Quin yeah. One of the drivers was struck in the face, because i saw blood. Whitaker what are you thinking . Quin it really felt like you were in a movie. It has that surreal quality thatis this really happening . Whitaker much of yemen is surreal. The tour group had explored breathtaking scenery and unique historic sites; but now they were hostages, and some would not survive. Quins companions, mostly brits, included teachers and managers. At xerox in new york. The gunmen were yemeni rebels, an offshoot of al qaeda. They drove their captives off the main road into the desert, and made them sleep outside that night. The next morning, all hell broke loose. Quin we started to hear gunfire in the distance. And right away, i thought, someones coming in to rescue us. And there were shells exploding in the air above us and it was quite chaotic. And then, they just told us to and thats when i thoughtwere going to be executed. Whitaker stand in a line quin yeah, just had us line up, and i thought, well. Whitaker quin and the other hostages said they were forced to be human shields. While the yemeni army fired toward the terrorists from a thicket at the far end of a vacant field; at the opposite end, the terrorists made the tourists stand on a two foot dirt wall. Then the kidnappers hid behind through the hostages legs. Quin they made us keep our arms in the air, but you cant hold your arms up in the air for 45 minutes, so wed hold up one arm and then the other. Whitaker you feel the bullets whizzing by . Quin yeah, there was a moment where i could feel the air move on my cheek. They make this zinging sound. And i remember thinking, this has gone on longer than the opening scene of saving private ryan. Whitaker but this isnt a movie. Quin no. I found i was reminding myself, you could be dead any second. How long is it going to be before one or more of us gets hit by one of these bullets. I mean, it just seemed inevitable. Whitaker you were convincing yourself minute by minute to stay alive. Quin yes. I had this quite a strong feeling that i would survive this. And i also had this feeling that i was going to be really annoyed if i got killed and didnt get to see how it ended. So, the mechanism i used was just to say, do it one minute at a time. Myself, stay alive one more minute, stay alive one more minute. Whitaker the terrorist right behind quin was especially menacing. He wore a purple wraparound, so she called him, purple skirt. Quin and then, purple skirt pushes me forward with his ak47 pushed against my back. Whitaker right against your back . Quin yeah, right on my spine. But i also remember thinking, just move that gun a centimeter. Because i just had this vision of my, the bones in my spine just shattering a whitaker youd gotten to that point where youre thinking thinkingi am going to die. Quin yeah. Whitaker she had no idea why he was pushing her forward. But as they reach the middle of the field, purple skirt is shot. Quin and hes lying on the ground. Still a lot of gunfire in both directions, so im still a sitting duck out there in the middle of this field. And then i take two or three steps toward the yemen army, and skirt was trying to get up on his elbow and his ak47 is on the ground in front of him. I better take his gun, because he might shoot me as im running. Because i i sort of thought how in all those movie scenes where you think youve dispatched the bad guy, and then when youre not paying attention, he gets off one last shot. So thats what i think of. Whitaker you had taken some steps away quin i had taken two or three steps away, i turn around, i come back and think i better take the gun so he cant use it. So i reach down and ab barrel, which was closest towards me. And he grabs the stock. And so, now we are literally having a tug of war over an ak 47. And hes screaming at me and im screaming at him whitaker and bullets are still whizzing by . Quin and bullets still going in all directions. So i just took another step closer to him and put my foot down on his head and that just gave me some leverage. Whitaker so you wrestled the gun away from him . Television. Whitaker what did you say . Quin no i wont repeat it. And but it was casting aspersions on his mother, ill put it that way. So shes probably a very lovely woman. But i just kept running, anyway. Whitaker holding onto the gun . Quin running with the gun and thinking, i probably shouldnt whoevers there in the trees, running at them with a gun might not be a good move, so i think i should toss it aside. But i said, no, its such a souvenir, i want to take it back. And i thought, oh, u. S. Customs will never let me through with this. Whitaker all of this is going through your mind quin its amaz you would never you would never guess what you think about in a situation like that. But i threw the gun aside, went up and over the last berm, into the bushes, and i could see three soldiers sitting in the bushes not far from me. And one of them sort of gave me a thumbs up. Whitaker when you wrestled the ak47 away from purple skirt, did you think of shooting quin i did. Whitaker you did . Quin yes. Definitely. Whitaker why didnt you . Quin i had never held a rifle. And its going to take me too long, vital seconds standing out here figuring out how to use it. Whitaker did you feel angry enough that you you could have shot him . Quin yes. And enjoyed it. And that was scary to me when i thought about it afterwards, its like, you find another person inside you that you kind of didnt know was there whitaker in all, four of your tour group were killed there . Quin yes, out of the 16 taken hostage, four shot dead and two seriously wounded. Whitaker quin told us a terrorist executed one of the hostages. The other three died in the crossfire. The yemeni army, killed three of the kidnappers, including purple skirt. After 26hours as captives, a military helicopter flew the surviving tourists, and the obsessed with the kidnapping. You had a whiteboard and you had names and arrows and circles and quin i wouldnt be at the ending until i kind of pieced together who was involved and why. Whitaker quin Read Everything she could about the terrorists trial. Four had been captured, and convicted. Their leader was executed. Quin learned about a connection between the defendants. We shall show the whole entire world. Whitaker . And a radical hands had been blown off in an explosion. Mary quin discovered that abu hamza, in london, had been on the phone with the chief kidnapper in yemen, during the kidnapping. Their top demand was to get terrorists, including abu hamzas stepson, released from a yemeni prison. To learn more, mary quin flew to london; waited alone outside abu prayers. Quin i went right up to him and said, look, ive come a long way just to talk to you, can you give me 15 minutes, sometime over the weekend . And no, no, he didnt have time. Whitaker its quite bold of you. Quin yeah, well i wasnt going to back off. So i said, please can i come back and talk to you when its convenient . And he said, well come back sunday night. Whitaker were you surprised . Quin yes. So i came back two days later. I was taken into his office and ended up talking to him for an hour. Whitaker how did you start the conversation . Quin i said to him, im mary quin and i was one of the hostages taken by abu hassan in yemen. Whitaker what did he say . Quin he sort of leaned back in his chair and looked at me and said, i am very surprised that you would come here. So i had a little micro cassette recorder and i said, would it be okay if i record the so i put the tape recorder right on his desk and between us. Whitaker he had no concerns about your tape recorder . Quin no, none at all. Whitaker what did he say . Quin well, he clarified his connection with abu hassan, leader of the kidnapping group. That he knew him. That he had had phone calls with him. Whitaker he admitted this . Quin oh, yes. He said that, he had never intended for hostages to be killed and in fact one sort of his most telling comments was, to get this bad. And so, the implication being that he had been part of the planning of the hostage taking. Whitaker on quins tape hamza also says the head kidnapper wants to hold people ransom until the government let my people go. And then he would let you people go. Let you people go. Whitaker it was clear that he knew that the kidnapping was going on . That. Whitaker mary, how did the fbi learn that you had this tape recording of abu hamza . Quin i had stayed in touch with the f. B. I. Agent who had come out to yemen right after the kidnapping. So mentioned to him that i had managed to meet abu hamza. And so he was like, really . And its on tape, i recorded it. And he says, really . Whitaker mary quin gave the f. B. I. A copy and the u. S. Began a lengthy effort to get ab hamza extradicted. Finally, 13 years after the kidnapping, abu hamza was flown to new york to stand trial. Quin testified against him, and prosecutors played her tape for the jury. Quin do you think that the decision to kidnap some foreigners was a good thing to do . Islamically, its a good thing to do. Whitaker did you ever imagine that your recording of u. S. Federal court . Quin not not in a million years would that thought have occurred to me. Whitaker i bet it didnt occur to abu hamza either. The prosecutor called quins tape, devastating evidence of the defendants guilt. The jury convicted him of kidnapping, and also of trying to set up a terrorist Training Camp in the u. S. Last year abu hamza was sentenced to life in prison. Quin felt the murdered friends shed made on the , finally gotten justice. Now, she could put it behind her. Quin it was a sense of relief that it was over. Whitaker so what have you learned from all this . What, whats the moral to this story . Quin the moral first struck me as we were being air lifted away and the bodies that were murdered were wrapped in blankets and laid on the ground and ruth, who, the scottish woman who was killed, her shoes, her feet were poking out the end of the blanket and they were just a few inches away from my feet and i remember looking at her shoes and looking at mine and thinking how easy it would have been that those were my shoes whitaker you could have been under the blanket . Quin under that blanket. And how it was just for the complete randomness of where the two of us were standing that she was dead and i wasnt. This cbs sports update is brought to you by ford division. Im james brown with scores from the n. F. L. Today new england was shut out at home for the first time in nearly 23 years. Russell wilson threw three touchdowns as seattle downed the jets. Game on the road over previously undefeated baltimore. The broncosbuccaneers game is in a Severe Weather delay. 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