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All we got was executive summary. Its damning. It says tactics were brutal. People in stress positions for days. Dozens of water boarding one another after a lot of humiliation and threats and people left to die. Dishonest and they did not always tell truth to congress and white house and most of us ineffective they did these things often when they didnt need to which i thought was most troubling aspects of it all. What was your reaction of the report. My reaction is reaction pretty much of mr. Brennan current cia director under president obama he thinks this report is fictitious at best and supportive of the tactics. Those are been public statements. I talked with allen durshwitz he thinks were not having honest conversation about this we shew debate these things whether theyre needed at times or not. I would say two things, tam, first, why would anyone be surprised. We saw photos from abagra years ago we saw torture and it was a scandal. Number two the person best suited in government to talk about it i thought was john mccain who said not only unethical and immoral to do these things its ineffective from his own personal experience if you are tortured youll say anything and you give up things that are not true and have no ib intelligence value. Thats exactly what the report found. Very two different opinions paid roy where are you on this . One of the problems with this discussion we combine the discussion of whether its morally right with effectiveness discussion. I think you know debate about its effectiveness begs question of whether we as a society and we as a nation are better than this. I think we are. When i think founders when we adopted 8th amendment and said cruel and unusual punishment was a bad thing i dont think it was contemplated torture would be justifiable in these circumstances and thats the debate we shew have. If people believe its justifiable what are the circumstances and lets have that debate. I think you have to go back to 3,000 americans being killed on 911 and look going against the group that literally for your faith, religion, anything would and are doing that. And its unfortunate for finestein committee they didnt include republican staffers it feels partisan and didnt interview a single human being they looked at records. In a trial you wouldnt look at files you would say get testimony. Not one person testified not one live record and i think thats because they knew the report they wanted to get out and now they say and it was not effective and one of the things they say is not effective is the one cure orwe had his name. Police had thousands of names in philadelphia about who maybe had been arrested at some point. If somebody gives you a tip and says its john smith i saw him on that street with a gun. Theres thousands of names cia was looking for then they knew this particular person and thats how they got obama bin laden. I want to pick up on what brian said why they didnt interview people seems federal probe gaz oing zone and they had to be careful with they could interview you people due to the report. You picked up on something obama bin laden everybody want todd get him and how to ket to the cure or. Some thought it was these tactics and some said they got this information from people before they got tactics and when they got the tactics they were comatose giving up nothing. You wonder hoy to look at it how do we know. We think its true i bet if we doe this youll find out its true or up eye infective the fact doesnt it feel rushed finestein leaves chairmanship and rushes this out without surprise it sounds like she got report shed wanted to get. How could it be rushed when these things happened years ago. This torture occurred in Bush Administration mostly first term. It seems clear the president himself, president bush was not fully informed of these things. He has not come out and said o i rally was right . He has not thrown them aside. He said he supports them. He has not denied that he was deceived how can that be righting. These guys are professionals i they need ept take what a guy says over water boarding. 9 11 was hard. Lets go with ladder stare step. First of all effectiveness. Cia did its own report in the 80s looking at torture tactics and they said then its unreliable something i read today 2459 i thought was interesting when she trained American Service people they noticed looking at them you fet people less reklibl and more stupid than hear telling you. This program was run by two men that had never done this they didnt toe what they were doing. The psychologist im agree these were not across the board effective. They say this and we act on it categorize it versus other information they had theres evidence of this. Does it bormer you people if the room in these documents say its so terrible some asked to get off only said i cant be part of it. We have to accept how brutal it is i believe water boarding is torture. I am not saying water board and its not torture but i think we shew do it. John mccain was not on the commits tie but from his personal experience has a strong moral voice. I just wish for something so important that there was something more comprehensive that involved live testimony and live interviews at least and not and it does feel like finestein wanted to get this this done. Its a note senator kerry had asked the report be delayed. And i thought that was telling. When you guys all narp politics in six weeks when mitch take over senate would this have seen the light of day did she interest to put it out or forever hold her peace. I think its obvious yes she had to. Curious on the same day mr. Mr. Grubeer was testifying and that was going to be big news and this blankets that and pushes that way aside. Lets get to the questions that pedro was asking who are we . Is it who we are . If you look at the timetable how they got these black open sites fist of all it seemed they could not find anywhere else to go. Could they go to military bases . No they cant. What could they do picking places like thailand and poland eventually when they got big name person and they said lets take it to eye latched and didnt have rules. If they wept to the pure he would see the same rules in prisons here it was happenstance we got there. Does that make us feel okay we would have well had a moral argument for not doing it if it was not happenstance to end up at block ops sites. I dont know about that. Using analogy i did study in Northern Ireland with ira same kind of stuff torture and water boarden and all the rest of it techniques are not new and results were the same they were false information given. Stuff that deposit get anywhere and it degraded british government. I would say moral argument thing i think it is moral moral to protect americans what the president is doing with dronz is moral action too a lot of people think thats immoral and i think this is lesser nature than Collateral Damage than killing kids and others when we try to take them out. It gets back to partisan im consistent and support president owe a. Whats the fall out you have cia hor net nest of aerping looking at capitol hill and cia operative saying are you going to support us and us taking will you come out ob our side i think where does this lead to everything. A lot of people that never had their testimony train now going to have foreign governments issuing warrants for their arrests and cannot travel out of the country, et cetera, that is up fortunate ram faixs that hate us and do us wrong and hole it up i think most americans are opt emand they see reality of what wor fighting. And again i just think for something so important it shew have had a more Bipartisan Police officer to it. Shew it have stayed secret thats underlying you this it have said something. I think in this day in taij doesnt stay secret its impossible. Lets move on to Something Else talked about a lot. Weve seep a lot of protests this week from the eric garner case and Michael Brown case and we saw some here in philadelphia. Justice department came out this week and said that they were go to change racial profiling rules for federal agents, fbi agents and National Security agents cant look at race, gender, Sexual Orientation et cetera. Is thad a good idea when it comes to National Security looking at certain regions of the world to go ding, ding, ding, ding, is it good saying they will not do ethnic protester and cases here within the u. S. I dont think so theyre not doing it at the gourders either you drug the people or theyre out of line and oath is comparable whatever were talking about then you go after them. Otherwise to have them stand down more i think is possibly threatening. Was it just kind of pr move. This is not applying to localitys and state governments. Thats where true fighting is on this issue. Federal agents nobody seems to be saying its federal cops giving me no its local and state where issues are. Its symbolic and its a good message to make sense as former prosecutors. Just saying well look at someone because theyre muslim or afghanistan weight of time you need toe be more focused and develop better intel squlens that the people i focus on. I think its a bit of a another when you say. And theyre pulling an 80yearold grand mother. Common sense tells you that you know im not saying youner look at owe oweyearold grand mothers with walkers but when i see that and see other people going through the line youre thinking i mean, it makes no sense. When will al qaeda get smart and take get the 80yearold grand mother. Sfrun afghanistan to liberia. Here me philadelphia they took a woman where a dal apps. I dont think this was as much about federal agencies than outgoing turn general wanting to give example for local jurisdictions to follow he was doing what he could in the time he had. Lets talk about the dieins. Here at channel 6 we Tree Lighting and we saw this eagles game last weekend and protests maybe this weekend around the country and it may continue to go on. My question is i see them and obviously people wants you to hear the voice and feel theyre beinger in order is there effective. Looks good. You have to do the organizer r and laws past in that level. Dieins make people feel good but dont change anything. More Community Organizing and dieins are okay and people that shut down Tree Lighting and try to shut down your event theyre not winning heart and mind. Dieins people may think symbolically theyre doing something theres no negative. Its right it feels good whats the impact or change. I had a story of somebody who grandchild is in second grade and came home saying you know, they are shooting young boys and were going to have a diein at our school. I mean for a second grader. This is third kind of you know, what it is its just a cartoon really of the real things that police shew have more sense activity training and the real thing police shew come out of the car and meet community. No doubt about that. I hear the conversation when i was a wrung boy my parent told me dont give heart a hard time theyll arrest you or beat you up. Dont give a cop a hard time police need to get out of their car and build relationships. I dont think these dieins are doing anything. Does it force people with cat videos taking foot on facebook and ignore it does it interest them takeru after cap americans feel different how think get treated by Law Enforcement than white americans. Youre looking tat now, 82 of black people think they get treated differently by Law Enforcement and white people only 40 think that may be true. And these actions are for people that would say i dont see you to have to see them a little bit and have the discussion. Yeah, i think so. I think the protests movement is only part of the reform process. And you could sav say several right marches in 60s what did they aref they elevated peoples consciousness and they are things now in terms of local, training, commissioner ramsey, heating to this National Program and those are good things and tangible solid things but protests has Important Role to play. In philadelphia you had a group called power a group of ministers grassroots churches and very involved in this and theres school organizing is very traditional 1960s civil rights schools. Organizing which i think is producing compelling images that can be effective tactic for agenda ask and made to occupy were unfair and i dont think that was i think that was very different type of effort with no message at all. Well take a break and come message at all. Well take a break and come back to our inside story. Ive been babysitting these kids for years. Theres like eight of them eight . Maybe three. I dont know whatever. Its like really hard to keep track of them. Its a pretty big house. Anyway, thats why i really love this Nest Protect Smoke and Carbon Monoxide alarm. It tells you which room the smoke is in and tells you when things are getting bad. Heads up theres smoke upstairs. Thats probably taylor. Hes like so into fireworks right now. Anyway, its nice to emergency theres smoke upstairs. I should probably go. Nest protect. Welcome to a more thoughtful home. Good friend kyan douglas and my dermatologist dr. Anne chapus. Are you happy with how this turned snout we were sdwlv welcome back to inside story im tamala edwards. Lets look at the mayors race ticket in 2015 big news this week dwight evans saying im not going to get another race he was one of the big names they thought would jump on in here. He decided at this points to say im not going to do it. I didnt think theres so many other people much better position and have more money than dwight evans. Polls show he had good recognition. There was argument to be made for unareing. I think the issue is Campaign Reform for philadelphia and that happened it made it very, very difficult to raise money and in the old days you could get unlimited checks from law firms and other supporters and now you do it little bits at a time that means hours and hours on telephone calling everybody you ever met or didnt meet and you have to really wanted to do that. Because having begun through it myself raising money like that. Its not fun. First time around extremely effective. And hes starting late and all the people he would be calling have gotten calls from the other field of em. Will he do Something Different or teetz opportunity with you and really transition his Political Organization to sort of next generation that he has been called to maybe. He said he took a look and said i can get a lot more done in harrisburg with wolf than i might if im down here running for mayor and dont win. Somebody else will not be making those phone calls trying to raise money and thats frank rizzo former city council bhoon was sort of turned out of office after drop scandal he said after he changed parties for republican to dem extra everybody saying this will be about running for mayor hes not running for mayor hes going to run for at Large City Council seat. He was former councilman and five people in those seats does he have a chance get those seats. Its crowded field again and when its that large it has a lot of power. Buys you 1 million rm would of television. And he probably has a shot. And i guess he did not have anything really better to do. Fy was trend of mayor sop getting elected to council one time in the recent past we had three including frank owe so maybe hes trying to get back. The city counsel ill role. You know the big story overall of this is everybody is really waiting on darrell clarke. The field is like soft jello and it wont firm up until he says im in or out. Whats the latest and when do you think he finally makes a hart and fast decision. He keeps saying hell make a decision soon but has not. For a long time. I think has he held everybody waiting some things came along and changed. It looks like the inquire is going lord staked out where it will be on the question of darrell clarke. Its clear that they pgw situation really rubbed him the wrong way its been more than one editorial they seem to be on a mission here. I think thats i think darryl is likely to make same decision dwight did in a similar way. He would be far more effective working with mayor such as as Council President and then getting in race resigning his position and having to raise money as a point i just made when other candidates had been raising it for months. Its flattering to see people in the media running and saying im not sure maybe in time give me and i think thats what a lot of folks like like him or not like him hes been effective. He gets vote and i think its going to be its different role than being different. Word came out this week mccaffrey who just stepped down after the big pornographic email scandal we know his monthly pension 11 k a month after taking a big bite almost half a Million Dollars how does this hit you guys. Anything to be done or thats the way the cookie crumbles. It is and pension is guarantee no matter what you do. Im amazed at people. He was not con vingtsed of a crime. Its embarrassment to the whole system and it creates sin sim of folks that you feel like you know some earlier stories in terms of what were talking about you feel like its a party and theyre all enjoying it and as a taxpayer i will say in his des fence he had military service and was mup us paling court judge for a long time and admirable. 11 k thats a lot of cheese. Long time and admirable. 11 k thats a lot of cheese. Take a short break and come back party on people blinds to gos 60th anniversary sale continues celebrating with 20 off the entire store. You heard right, 20 off the entire store. Were talking employee pricing baby hey, you need em, you want em, and now theres no better time to get em. Blinds to go. Blinds for life. Tam, 60s icon bob dill plan will release and all bum covering Frank Sinatra standards old blue eyes roll unwilling his graivr. In the middle of all this stuff furgeson et cetera theres a good story i can speak to my listeners and myself Staten Island story a lot thought that shew is have gone to trial and dont see it same as furgeson and thats a good conversation to have. All right. Pedro. Some are upset and cheering and looks like mayor changes position on mandatory paid sick leave for Small Businesses and compromise maying be in works. Happy story from overseas princepalty will survive Prince Albert kelly with his grandparents and wife prince us shirleen had twins there will be heir to the thrown. Interesting story little girl was born first but its little boy who will be king. Like pension rules are the rules you know. Like mccaffrey the rule book says. At any rate good news for them and we enjoy that philadelphia connection. So congratulations and i have to say thank you for pedro joining our happy little band thank you we dont bite. Thanks for being nice on my first day. Great to have with you us and always good to have you with us as well. Ill see you back here next as well. Ill see you back here next sunday for inside story and being one of the first patrons of the first cat cafe. Rachael t whats possible today . Wifi access in more places then ever before. All your favorites in the cloud and on every device. A home you control with the touch of a finger. 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