about mexico, here is president trump announcing the cancellation of his meeting with the mexican president in philadelphia today. >> the president of mexico and myself have agreed to cancel our planned meeting scheduled for next week. unless mexico is going to treat the united states fairly, with respect, such a meeting would be fruitless and i want to go a different route. we have no choice. >> so david, was this sort of a mutual agreement, a mutual cancellation, or do you think that the mexican president pulled the plug? >> i think that the mexican president pulled the plug, and he did that because donald trump frankly put him in a corner. he kept in a tweet sort of pushing mexico saying you know you have to pay for the wall. i think nieto has to worry about his own political audience, mexicans were outraged, angry at
him for months, if we talk this way to china, chinese are not going to stand for china backing down. this is very different from a business deal where you're bluffing. foreign leaders have to stand up for themselves just for their own political survival. they just started. it's a dangerous pattern. >> mark, i want to talk about the time line here because the mexican president said he was still planning to come to washington despite pressure at home to cancel the trip. and early this morning it came out on twitter, donald trump said if mexico is unwilling to pay for the badly needed wall then it would be better to cancel the upcoming meeting. and then a few hours later the mexican president tweeted this, this morning we have informed the white house that i will not attend the meeting scheduled for next tuesday with the president of the united states. so president trump has not even been in office for a week and already kicked off a major diplomatic spat, what is your
reaction? >> well, a couple of things. he certainly was not rolling out the welcome mat in the tweet. as david said, the president of mexico was pushed into a corner. if you just go back a few months, you know that donald trump made an unprecedented visit to mexico, the mexico at that time. and they had a joint news conference and there were questions about whether or not the wall was discussed or not. but the president of mexico is under an incredible amount of pressure at home, and to look like he is bending at the knee and kissing the ring of donald trump is not going to look well for him. but had he publicly declared they were not going to pay for the wall, had they gone to the magazine and said they were not going to pay for it. i think donald trump dodged one by not having the mexican president come to the united states. it's not going to be donald trump and the mexican president who were going to be able to figure out the trade deal. it will be those who work
underneath him who really do the dirty details. >> michelle, the mexican foreign minister is in washington, responding to president trump tonight. watch. >> we simply cannot accept the concept of a neighbor paying for your own wall. that is something that does not happen. in communities, between -- between citizens, and something that would be totally unacceptable between nations. this is something that we would not do, we would never do. and because this is about -- this is about our dignity. and our pride. >> it sounds pretty final, michelle, is that the final word on the thing -- >> i mean, it does sound that way. i think the trump administration seems determined to find a way
to make mexico pay. we're talking about tariffs and a trade war that would ultimately affect the consumers. or an aide that the u.s. provides to mexico. this relationship is important to both countries. we are neighbors, obviously. trade is a big deal. it's a big number. but so are things like counterterrorism, stopping the flow across the board, mexico does that as well so mexico has a few cards to play here. and did anyone not see this coming? i mean, before the election there was all this talk about the wall. you know, hyper-heated words like calling mexicans rapists. president pena nieto referred to
donald trump as hitler in the same sentence. i think this was bound to come to a head. maybe once this has gotten past and everybody sees exactly what is in these executive orders and finds out a lot more detail about what is being proposed then the relationship can move on from there. but it looks like it's going to be rocky for sometime, to say the least. >> david. >> the odd thing is, there are not tides of people coming over the border. there is not a great threat, there is a debate over whether we even need the wall. and the mexican immigrant specialists say the wall won't stop the problem anyway. so the narrative is not really supported by facts. >> most people are coming in via airplanes and over-staying their visas. thank you, appreciate it. and one man who maybe has the toughest job in washington,
that is sean spicer who speaks for donald trump. we'll talk about that. sometimes you just know when you hit a home run.
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president trump is no fan of the news media, regularly calling reporters dishonest. his chief strategist blasting the press in no uncertain terms. all that would seem to put white house press secretary in a difficult position. cnn's chief correspondent dana bash has more. >> don, steve bannon says that the media should keep their mouth shut, referring to the media as the opposition party. every day, his press secretary is speaking to the country but focusing on the audience of one, his boss, the president. >> sean spicer is now one of the most visible people in the world. >> thanks no coming out to our
first official briefing. >> reporter: white house spokesperson is always one of the hardest jobs in washington, but speaking for president trump takes hard to a whole new level. >> what evidence do you have of widespread voter fraud in this election if that is the case? >> the president does believe that, stated it before. >> spicer spent two decades in washington working up to this. the naval officer who was still an active reservist, was a press secretary and on the committee. >> you're not draining the swamp with him. >> spicer was at the rnc, they did battle but also did good, making bets for charity. >> he is a good egg, someone who i think is really a decent and good person. you envy somebody in that role. >> why? >> well, i mean, you know, there are a few of us in this business. that i would really like to do that, i would like to be white
house press secretary. >> spicer's friends tell cnn that being the press secretary is his dream come true, yet the first full day was like a nightmare. >> there is a lot of talk to hold donald trump accountable. i'm here to tell you that it goes two ways. >> a quickly arranged meeting, a direct meeting from the president. >> this is the first time in our nation's history that floor covering was used to protect the grass on the mall. >> after getting pounded, spicer came back looking for a do-over. >> there are certain things we may not fully understand when we come out but our intention is never to lie to you. >> at the rnc during the primaries, spicer publicly criticized trump. >> as far as painting mexican-americans with that kind of a brush, that doesn't help the cause. >> when trump won in november,
spicer with the help of long-time boss and chief of staff reince priebus began to lobby to be presidential spokesperson, coming right back to work as transition spokesperson after his father passed away, which sources say showed trump how much spicer wanted the job, because he was not an early loyalist, at times spicer appears to go out of his way to prove his mettle to his abu boss. >> he has not changed a strange habit. chewing multiple packs of gum and swallowing it. his wife and two children always come first along with his country. >> one thing about him, he is a true patriot. he will focus on the right priorities. >> even before he worked for president trump, spicer has always been eager to do battle with reporters he thought were
unfair or getting a story wrong. but he also has a long history of good relationships with journalists. balancing those two dynamics is a learning curve for any press secretary, especially one constantly watching from down the hall. >> there is no reason for anybody to expect the white house will stop taking shots at the media. but does fighting with the press actually help the president and his agenda? if you have medicare parts a and b and want more coverage, guess what?
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keep their mouth shut and listen. they don't understand the country and why donald trump is president of the united states. labelling the media as opposition party, saying keep our mouths shut. we're playing his hands. he knew it would be covered. >> he's sowing divisions, trying to play the base who is skeptical of the media against it. but it's corrosive to media to hate the press this way. >> salena, do you think his helps his agenda to fight with the media? >> it's always been part of his thing right? up until he won the nomination used us very effective and brilliant way. and as soon as he won the nomination, he understood we were the opposition. low approval ratings and easy target. anything said, that's just the media. and so that definitely plays into his hands. look, what bannon said has not
ever been said ever in an administration, just using inside voices. he actually said it out loud. and it escalates this battle between us and honestly, i don't think it helps anybody. because it just tunes everybody out to the whole dialogue, and we're not paying attention to the important things like you know what is his policy? what will he do going forward? we're so focused on all of this sort of white noise that you know it's keeping us from reporting on everything that he is doing and in some ways that does help him. >> i was just e-mailing with the head of the committee, and normally they try to help countries like syria and russia and iran, he is now paying more attention to the united states, he believes it undermines the press. steve bannon sought to promote that. don, i think it gets to your
point how bannon wants us talking about it. he wants the media to be offensive, we have to note it but keep playing our own game. >> i thought it was interesting that our colleague, maggie, the words dishonest, trump does not hate the media. doesn't mean he understands what it's like being potus. there are a lot of people -- >> he was up watching fox news this morning at 55:00 a.m. this issue on criticizing the press, partly it's about creating confusion so people don't know what is true or what is false. today, trump said the murder rate the philadelphia has been increasing. the murder rate in philadelphia has been on the decline. the mayor of philadelphia is blasting trump for that, yesterday, he said there were
two people shot in chicago when president obama was giving his farewell address. the tribune confirms, nobody was sh shot during the speech. there was another person shot, he continues to mislead people and sews confusion, sometimes it helps people in power. the point is to refuse to be confused. >> he has very strong support with the police, and saying that they worked hard to protect him in philadelphia. salena, the president sat down with fox news and the cia speech came up again, watch this. >> there was one standing ovation, the whole thing. so i get back and i will say fox treated it great. they said it was great. when our new person running, mike pompeo is fantastic, he
said to me the other day that was so great. everybody loved it. when i got back i saw the speech, they didn't like it. it was not respectful. it was a smattering of applause, there were over 300 people in the room. over a thousand wanted to come. if i took a vote right now i would have won 350-0, but even that was demeaned as much as they can demean it. what i'm saying, sean, is this, much of the media is very, very dishonest, honestly it's fake news. it's fake. they make things up. >> so the cia story, his speech, maybe mentioned in passing on this show, i can't remember it. maybe somebody mentioned it in a response, had he not spoken about it we would have moving on to something else. so my question, is he expecting the media to pander to him.
it seems like somehow he thinks that anything other than glowing coverage is unfair criticism. >> here is what i think, i think he has had a breathtaking week. if we took all of this noise aside and took a look at everything he has done from tpp to mexico city, to taking that back. to meeting with the ceos, and meeting with the head of the car companies. talking with all of those labor unions and trade unions, and i mean, obamacare, it's just -- in egypt, this has been a fast-paced great week. and the only thing that has gotten in the way of it is just focusing on these things that don't matter. and i haven't quite decided yet if it's to his advantage or disadvantage, but as the press i
would like to be talking about policies, the effect they have on people, the economy, the national security, i feel like that is what we should be doing as a press but we sort of have been boondoggled by all of this white noise. >> yeah, when the president talks about something he is the leader of the free world and we talk about it. >> but i think some things were crucial, if he didn't bring up the ratings or the crowd sizes then there wouldn't be these distractions. there would be more conversation about the policies. it's about the fundamental fact of his taking criticism. he is still watching tv in the white house. we're all wondering if that will rise. >> if you don't want to talk about it, don't bring it up. you just let it go. >> and he is doing interviews. >> that is a positive. listen, you're out with a new piece on cnn.com, brian, you say
that the president is fox news's top pr guy. >> what i mean by that, he is promoting fox, he said to david muir, turn on fox, they gave my speech a positive coverage. this is a continued spin on opposing the media that he doesn't think is fair, but preferring another. he is consuming a lot of media. and i hope that had when he is watching this network and other coverage, he is learning more about how to govern the country. it is very clear, especially for this businessman, there is a learning curve, maybe cable news has a responsibility to educate trump and his news. >> there is so much opposition because of that. thank you, president trump turning out executive orders as
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for a man who cares so much about ratings president trump cannot be happy about the latest polls that we have here. joseph bareli, new york city councilman, and democratic strategist and host of the pod cast "working life." >> i'm here. >> i want to make sure. so you're ganged up tonight -- >> i'm ganged up on, i handled it before. >> all right, matt, let's talk about this new poll, only that 36% of americans approve about how he is doing his job, 44% disapprove. how does he turn it around at this point? >> well, the only people less popular are at this table. so step one, to keep a campaign going and go after the media, that is part of it. look, this will sound you know, hackneyed maybe, but it's an opportunity. if you start off very high with
huge expectations, there is nowhere to go but down. donald trump can now build from this. he has to turn it around. how will he do that? if people start to get jobs, the economy turn around, those numbers will fix themselves. >> i don't disagree with you -- >> politics is always about over-promise, under-achieve. >> welcome to the show, do you think republicans, joseph, in congress are concerned about those numbers? >> well, i think as far as the republican base they should not be. because republicans in this poll were very supportive of donald trump. i think republicans in congress are looking at this as somebody who is fulfilling nine out of ten promises he made on the campaign trail. and i think they have to be happy about his performance so far. he is doing what the party wanted him to campaign on and what he in fact promised himself. they are willing to make good on funding the wall and repealing
obamacare. >> i think we have been reporting here on cnn that he is doing what he said he is going to do. now whether or not these executive orders have teeth, he is doing exactly what he said he is going to do. if not for the self-inflicted wound -- let's weigh on the analysis. the republicans approve 81%, right? democrats disprove 77%, independent voters, 45%. so far it's not actually you know know -- >> his approval ratings and likeability ratings have not been strong for quite sometime. to be honest, i don't think their team cares about p populari popularity, they care about performances and policies and promises. as joseph said look, he campaigned on repealing obamacare and building a wall
and securing the border and already he is out of the gate. i think you have to give him credit for focusing on what is important is doing the job of president and not being like president of his fraternity. he is president of the united states. >> but his team does not care about the polls and numbers, i mean, you know he does. i just wonder if you're worried about -- you can weigh in, the independent numbers because that is where folks that -- >> well, certainly, we saw from the coalition that actually elected donald trump, he pulled over a significant number of independents. the q-poll is not the only one out there, the rasmussen poll last week was gospel when it had barack obama at 60%, and the media talked about him at the highest ratings ever. now they have donald trump at 59%. >> we never use rasmussen polls because they're heavily weighted the other way.
>> and then you -- the huffington post did a story on -- >> do you believe "the huffington post"? >> donald trump did not win the popular vote in the election, that is just fact. >> democrats love pointing that out. >> i didn't mean it to bring it up in terms of illegitimate numbers. a lot of people don't go to the polls, i assume -- i don't know if they were just registered polls, look at what is happening in the street, there is a rebellion going on, the march, that was unprecedented. the number of people who turned out to protest against donald trump. donald trump is not a liked politician. and he is reinforcing that by
frankly his personal behavior. when you try to govern by twitter, i think people out there, the average person is reacting. this man is out of control. >> even his even supporters say he would show a little by -- >> it is a polarized country, too, if hillary clinton were president, i don't think her numbers would be terribly high right now either. >> my colleague, van jones said when you were talking about the number of people out there the day after the inauguration, he said all you have to do is look back remember? we covered the tea party, all you have to do is look at the tea party and how those things can become a movement. so when i bring up the independent numbers i just wonder if it's concerning. at the same time, 53% of americans say they're optimistic about the next four years. 44% say he will help rather than hurt the economy. again, those are not great numbers. should there be some concern within the republican party and
within the trump administration that -- >> well, republicans -- >> and that maybe he can't -- >> yes, but that then reflects it's in two ways, the republicans control congress and the white house. >> the mid-terms will be really tough. >> so in the next two years it's going to be very hard to democrats to stop most things with the exception of potentially the supreme court nominee. but that is different than the movement in the streets. and i want to say as a democrat, that rebellion, at least the things i have seen also gets the democratic party, not just donald trump, there is a rebellion against the elites. >> they should be concerned. i think the pink hats are as poised to have a new movement -- if the republicans are not on guard they could lose seats in 2020, the thing they're not doing is focusing on who is the trump coalition. you saw the women's marchers focusing on social issues. you're not going to win over to the republican party people who
fundamentally disagree with them on social issues. the blue belt, the democrats, those are the people he is working for right now focusing on jobs and american progress and focusing on renegotiating. >> there were people out there at that march though, who were front those rust belt states. those people, not all of them are happy with the democratic party. >> i think the difference is they need to organize. and they need to find a single message and resonate on that. because the tea party was limited government and fighting obamacare. the pink hats, they were all over the map with their issues. but they had a lot of energy and enthusiasm. they just need to organize. >> and do what -- and which was very smart of the trump campaign then, i mean, immigration. build a wall. jobs. and those were among the two, right, that he just kept hammering home. >> and obamacare.
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back now with my panel, jonathan, unlike the last president, president trump has a congress that wants to do business. here is vice president mike pence speaking to congressional republicans today. >> the point is by sticking to the president's agenda, we're going to kick the economy into overdrive, so as i said in my first visit to capitol hill say with great respect to members of the house and senate. buckle up, we're ready to go to work work. >> so he -- the president has signed a lot of executive orders, but do they have any teeth? >> well, it depends on executive orders that require money he will have to go to congress to i assume build the wall and other things like that. there will be some lawsuits around the executive orders, for example, his threat that they
will hold money from states or cities that want to provide sanctuary for undocumented immigrants who trump tries to deport. he will try to with hold that money and there were already signs that there will be lawsuits around him. so we'll see. >> the threat of a lawsuit will not scare him. but the thing is, withholding funding to sanctuary cities is nothing more than him asking the cities to enforce immigration laws, why is that so hard? why would they have a problem with that? and for the money with building the wall, there is already funding in place under a george bush law that is sitting there. they just have to continue the funding for that. i don't see that being a big of an issue -- >> i thought the price tag they were talking about this crazy, stupid wall that is completely unnecessary, a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. that money, they're talking about a price tag of $14 billion, 20 billion -- >> i don't think you can say there is a problem that doesn't exist. i think you can say they're
making the problem bigger than it is, you think more people are going back the other way -- than who are coming across the border. >> it's actually a fact, now i can tell you that this is the pugh study that said that actually the number of mexicans coming to the country have declined dramatically. >> people are still coming. >> but there are central americans going through, even of you look beyond the immigration issue the obama administration put out a study in 2011 say there is $190 billion in laws -- >> it's not about the drug trafficking o trafficking -- no, no. >> there is no problem in terms of the flow of people that this wall is required to deal with. it is just nonsense. it was all about fear and division. >> i think the positive thing that could come from this too,
though, which is to say if we ever want to do immigration reform. if it's something with the dreamers or treating you know people who came here a long time ago compassionately, i don't think the american public is going to go for it until they believe that we actually can and have secured a border. so building a wall -- would be -- >> i want you guys to discuss this. because again, we're dealing in facts here, jonathan is right here, more people are going back, there was a whole series on the border wall. you still can tunnel under the wall. most people come into the country illegally on airplanes from places that are not mexico and they overstay their visa in numbers that are larger than people coming from mexico. that is the real problem. >> that is why he is adding 10,000 officers and 5,000 border customs agents. this is a bigger problem -- >> but that is not what people believe. they think it's people coming from mexico, when you think of
immigration you think of mexicans. >> going back to the campaign, donald trump used the wall to symbolize, it was division and fear. and what he said to people particularly in the midwest and it worked politicly in the election, he said it was them. which was false. that is not the reason people have lost their jobs in the industrial midwest, not the reason wages have declined, it is because of corporate greed. >> it's -- >> it's not the -- it is the driver. not the main thing. it's not because of people coming from mexico. it's a completely. >> do you remember ten to 20 years ago to match point when a moderate position was we should allow people who are here to stay here but before we do that we should build a wall. that was something that bill clinton, hillary clinton -- >> you did preface it by saying ten to 20 years ago, i'm not saying it's right. i'm not saying it's right, i'm
just -- >> even reagan's amnesty on securing the border -- >> i think the american people are generous and compassionate, but if time after time you tell them we're going to secure the border. and then but we're going to do it with amnesty but never secure the border. >> but you have to be honest with them about the facts of the border just that you have to understand the coal industry, i understand my brothers and sisters in the industry, automation -- >> it's a prime example where there are fewer people to run the factory. >> there are several reasons behind building the wall, obviously the influx of people coming here and taking haven in this country using our goods and services and health care and education without having to pay for it.
there is also the enflux influx drugs, that president trump mentioned numerous times. i talked with farmers and those who live along the border. they say it's hell on earth along the border with illegals coming into the country and the easiest way is to build a wall -- >> i do hear people say you don't understand unless you live there. but the raw facts show that immigration -- >> and people contribute to the economy, billions in the economy. >> thanks everyone, that is it for us. no sir, no sir, some nincompoop stole all my wool sweaters, smart tv and gaming system. luckily, the geico insurance agency recently helped baa baa with renters insurance. everything stolen was replaced. and the hooligan who lives down the lane was caught selling the stolen goods online.
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5:00 a.m. here on the u.s. east coast. it is the memo in a everyothat talking about. and does it discredit the russia investigation? congressional supporters of the u.s. president are being accused of trying to do just that. they allege that the fbi improperly targeted for surveillance a former trump campaign adviser. >> the contents of the controversial memo are highly disputed. critics say it only on shows part of the picture. and misrepresents the testimony of former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. here is more now from jim sciutto in washington. >> i think it is terrible. >> reporter: the president and republicans leveling a new broad side at the fbi. with a four page memo alleging the bureau abused its surveillance authority in seeking a warrant to monitor carter page during the 2016
election. >> it's been a tough fight. >> reporter: the disputed memo authorized by the staff of devin nunes claims mccabe says the page warrant would not have been sought without a dossier on trump's possible connections to russia. but three members dispute that account telling that nunes mischaracterizes what mccabe says. the memo reveals that the warrant to monitor page was approved and renewed by the court three separate times. the former republican chair of the intel committee mike rogers says that would not happen without other u.s. intelligence to back up the application. >> if this is all they used, the judge ought to get in trouble too. i think there is a lot more information that supplanted the information they provided. in addition, they went through separate renewals and in each
you have to actually reconfirm probable cause. meaning you had to get something off of that wire. >> reporter: the memo also alleges that the fbi and justice department did not inform the fisa court that former british intelligence agent christopher steele who compiled the dossier was funded by the democratic party. adam schiff said that it is, quote, not accurate that the secret court waunss unaware of steele's political motivations, he says that the court knew of a likely political motivation behind steele. >> what it ends up delivering is criticism of a single fisa application and its renewals that cherry picks information that doesn't tell the reader the whole of the application and as the doj and fbi have said deeply misleading. >> reporter: while the memo attempts to portray the fbi as relying on outside information to launch the russia investigation, it notes that a counter intelligence investigation was actually opened months before the page
application based on a stream of intelligence separate from the dossi dossier. this includes information from the australian government can which learned that another trump campaign adviser, george papadopoulous, had been offered damaging information about hillary clinton from an individual with ties to the russian government. >> with these accusations swirling, christopher wray addressed fbi employees today via video, this reported by shall i mondimon prokupecz, and times are tough but went on to give a bucking up speech to the rank and file saying that the american people read the news papers and watch tv, but your work is all that matters. actions speak louder than words. jim sciutto, cnn, washington. >> so again, the main allegation in the memo, that the justice department misused the fisa court to target former trump adviser carter page. >> but to explain exactly what fisa is, what that court is and
how carter page fits in, tom foreman breaks it down. >> reporter: in the long investigation into possible russia meddling, carter page has become a flash point. not because this one time adviser to donald trump has had a long relationship with russia or because he traveled there during the campaign, although that is true, but instead because some republicans believe the justice department improperly used a fisa court to wiretap carter page. now, fisa stands for the foreign intelligence surveillance act. and this is what is used when investigators want to spy on essentially somebody who is actually on u.s. soil. they go to the fisa court, they present information explaining why they believe this person is a suspected agent of a foreign government, and the fisa court would then give them permission if it is all approved properly to then go forward. the fisa court did that, not
only that, but they approved an extension three different times and analysts say is that probably because there was something coming out of this or most likely something coming out of this that gave them reason to keep approving this. about you some republicans are saying the real problem is that there was secret political hand at work that the court was not told about. that the original information came from an investigation that was partially funded by democrats out there and those democrats were feeding it into the justice department. fisa court didn't know about it. if that is the case, why didn't the justice department say maybe we have other things that we can tell you about? the reason that would not happen according to many intelligence analysts is that there may indeed be other sources, there may be other avenues out there that they do not want to make public because that could somehow imperil the further investigation of all of this.
whether or not that is true, we don't know. the very secretive nature of the fisa court is the reason that it may be hard for the justice department to come forward and say here is what is happening and why they think the memo is wrong. >> tom foreman, thanks for the explanation. and now more about the man behind the memo, the chair man the house intelligence committee republican devin nunes. he's been kricriticized and som say hurting the investigation. >> the first interview he gave with us to fox news and he slammed the democrats. >> these are not honest actors. they know they are not being honest. and i get tired of playing whac-a-mole every day with the democrats on this committee who never wanted to start this investigation in the first place. so there is clear evidence collusion, but it just happens to be with hillary clinton and
their commissionittee that they to investigate. >> the top democrat says the memo is not meant to help the investigation but hurt it. adam schiff calls the memo deeply misleading. >> what it ends up delivering is criticism of a single fisa application involving carter page and its renewals that cherry picks information that doesn't tell the reader the whole of the application and as the doj and fbi have said is deeply misleading and fact ally in-accurate. you can cherry pick any fisa court application and do the same thing. >> a lot to digest mere. let's bring in a teacher of international relations in london. we have memogate to throw at you. so depending on who you listen to, it is either deeply misleading or revealing.
where do you fall? >> i think it is another step in what has been an ongoing effort to undermine the legitimacy and credibility of this investigation which remember is supposed to be looking into russia's interference in the u.s. presidential election, something that is important to everybo everybody. and we've seen a number of efforts to really get people thinking about something very different. in this case it is an allegation that this was politically motivated and inspired investigation that lacks all credibility. unfortunately, it is very destructive and i think if you listen to what senator mccain said after the memo was released, this is an attack on the legitimacy of the fbi, an unfair attack on the justice department and that it is taking us away from this most important
gives those that want to discredit the investigation more time to try and do that and we'll wait and see where this memo leads it. thank you so much for your thoughts, leslie. stocks chanced on wall street friday and investors are probably glad turbulent week is over. we'll look at the huge drop and what is ahead. plus this -- as far as the sentencing, to grant me five minutes in a locked room with this demon. >> this father filled with rage after he hears details of sexual abuse of his daughters. the judge's message to the furious parents as cnn continues. david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is
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move could encourage other north koreans to defect, one analyst says the meeting could also raise the question of whether the trump administration is starting to push for regime change in pyongyang. white house officials won't say what is behind friday's meeting. the president was cagy when asked if he wanted to send a message to the kim regime with this meeting. >> i don't think so. these are just great people that have suffered incredibly. >> reporter: but this human rights activist says even if regime change isn't on the table, the meeting still serves to good expose the dictator's r. >> it clearly puts more pressure on chism jokim jong-un. it is clear that they are trying to white wash their record. >> reporter: this woman on snuck across the borden when she was 17. she asked president trump to stop repatriating defectors and told a harrowing story of what
happened to her. >> i escaped from an arranged marriage when i was 19. i escaped a brothel and then i was arrested by the chinese authorities policemen and i was narrowly avoided being repay y e patrioted to north korea. >> reporter: the president showed empathy but didn't say whether he would pressure the chinese or not. she says the lives of many north korean defect toors depend on u pressure. >> most are carrying poison with them in case they are caught in time. >> reporter: as compelling as the meeting was, it might have made south korean officials a bit nervous because it is just one week before the winter olympics are set to begin. the south koreans worked hard to get north korean athletes to participate in the games. and could be concerned that trump's meeting with the defectors might upset that arrangement. we got no response there south korean officials here in washington to the trump meeting,
but south korean president moon jae-in did speak to president trump on the phone shortly before the meeting took place. brian todd, cnn, washington. well, disgraced former usa gymnastics physician larry nassar faces several life sentences for sexually abusing hundreds. and dozens more are coming forward to share their raw and painful stories. >> and for the father of three girls, the weight of their words in court on friday was too much to bear. kale l caylee har tongue describes what happened. and we warn you, this contains graphic testimony. >> reporter: this father's anger -- >> as part of this sentencing, to grant me five minutes in a locked room with thisaimed scar man. >> would you give me one minute?
>> reporter: in this angle you can see the court bailiff quickly get larry nassar out of the room. more than 200 survivors in two different courtrooms over the past two weeks have provided victim impact statements in the case against nassar. engaging and disgusting the country. on friday, randall listened to two of his daughters publicly share details of their abuse. >> he said this meant because i had back pain, he would need to put the needles on my vagina. with no coverage, no gloves, underwear and pants down to my thighs, my entire have a guy that was completely exposed. when i was there just a kid, lays on a table at msu and you put your ungloved hands all over my rear and slipped your thumb into the most private area of my body. to my parents, thank you for all your love and support through all of this.
you have done everything that a parent could ever do. >> i feel that my entire family has gone through hell and back because of what larry nassar did to both my sisters and i years ago. my parents are maeheartbroken a so filled with regret. the guilt they have will never go away. >> it prompted praise on twitter calling him a hero, parents saying they would have done the same thing. >> you have to understand the compassion and understanding too from the judge who over saul his contempt rating a couple hours later. >> i cannot tolerate or condom vigilanteism, but as for the direct contempt of court, there is no way that this court is going to issue any type of punishment given the circumstances of this case. and i do -- my heart does go out to you and your family because of what you've gone through. >> i appreciate that.
and i apologize to you and the courtroom. i'm embarrassed. i'm not here to upstage my daughters. i'm here to help them deal. >> reporter: in a family press conference later in the day, an apologetic hargreaves tried to explain his reaction, saying it was the first time he heard many details of nassar's assaults on his details. >> what i had to hear in those statements and i have to look over at larry nassar shaking his head, that is when i lost control. >> reporter: nassar, who was sentenced up to 175 years in prison for similar charges in another michigan courtroom last week is expected to be sentenced in in this hearing early next week. in atlanta, caylkaylee hartung,. 16 new flu related deaths among u.s. children were reported this week and that brings the total number of pediatric flu related deaths to 53 since october.
>> and according to a government report, hospitalizations for the flu also hit the highest levels seen since officials started recording this data in 2010. flu vaccines are reported in short supply, but they are still available. pediatric flu cases are closely, but deaths for other age groups are difficult to estimate. president trump has arrived in florida but leaves behind a washington in turmoil. we'll discuss the controversial memo. and plus the u.s. secretary of state mending fences in latin america and offering vision when it comes to russia meddling. we're live from atlanta. stay with us this valentine's day i wanted to turn everything i love about you into one thing you'll love forever. the jared valentine's day diamond event. washington in turmoil.
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from coast to coast to our viewers around the world, you're watching "cnn newsroom." i'm george howell. >> i'm natalie allen. congressional backers of the u.s. president are alleging the fbi abused its surveillance powers against one of mr. trump's former soerkd associate. the charge is contained in a congressional memo released friday. democrats dispute the claims and say they will push to release their own report next week. >> word on wall street, the dow fell 665 points on friday. the steepest point decline since the 2008 financial crisis. though a strong jobs report is fueling fears of inflation. analysts say the political turmoil in washington is only adding to the uncertainty. the man who are targeted muslims last year in london has
been sentenced to life in prison. darren osbourne plowed his car into a crowd on june 19th, killing one person and injuring 12 others. the search continues for dozens of migrants who may have drowned. the vessel was carrying more than 90 when it capsized on thursday. so far only three survivors have been found. now more on that controversial pmemo released friday. it is the talk of washington because of what it might mean for the trump presidency. at its core, the memo alleges the fbi abused its surveillance powers in targeting a former aide of the trump campaign. >> democrats and other critics say the document is not an accurate representation of the facts. james comey called it dishonest and misleading. jeff zeleny explains why some believe it is mepant on to
undermine the mueller investigation. >> reporter: now there is a fight brewing between the u.s., the justice department and the fbi. president trump declined to say if he had confidence in the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein who oversees the russia investigation. now none of this changes special counsel robert mueller's investigation. this is still going along full speed. one of the next things to find out is if the president will set down for an interview with him. but the release of this memo at least in the eyes of the white house and the president, they believe it helps discredit the russia investigation. now, many republicans across washington said that was not the point of it, they said that is not the case. it is separate from that. the reality here that was the president goes into the weekend where he will be spending it in mar-a-lago, will he make a decision to have a change either at the justice department with rod rosenstein or will he fire bob mueller. those are still two possible things that could happen. most advisers here at the white house say the president knows that would be explosive. and that would continue and draw
out the investigation. but the mindset of the president on this is unclear. again, he declined to say if he has confidence in the deputy attorney general here and his own fbi director said he had grave concerns about the memo. the memo was released anyway. as this moves forward here going into the coming weeks, the russia investigation still going full blast, the question is now if the white house can move beyond it and get to the point of legislating so much work here to be done. republicans believe this has overtaken their agenda, they simply want to get back to legislating. jeff zeleny, cnn, the white house. other news involving the trump administration, u.s. secretary of state rex tillerson is in argentina, the latest stop in what could be called a fence mending tour of latin america. he will also advivisit peru, colombia and jamaica. >> and among the topics discussed friday, trade, drugs and even russian interference in
elections. on that, secretary tillerson had some sage advice. listen. >> you asked about russian interference in mexican elections. all i can say to you is we know that russia has fingerprints in a number of elections around the world. we hear this from our european counterparts as well. my advice would be to mexico would be pay attention. >> the pentagon under the old nuclear arms policy on friday puts simply the united states wants more nuclear weapons, not fewer. >> defense secretary james mattis says it is looking reality in the eye. it is also reversing course after years of trying to reduce the united states nuclear arsenal. >> and it comes as north korea gets closer to becoming a nuclear danger, but an old foe is still front and center as barbara starr reports for us. >> reporter: while president trump navigates the political minefield of the russia investigation -- >> there has been no collusion.
there has been no crime. >> reporter: -- pentagon and state department unveiled the toughest line yet against vladimir putin's military in a report on nuclear threats and the trump administration's solutions. >> russia has increased its reliance on nuclear weapons and its capabilities and it is building a large and diverse nuclear arsenal. >> reporter: the pentagon detailing 2,000 nuclear capable weapons that could hit europe. and for the first time, confirming russia is developing an underwater drone that can potentially travel thousands of miles and strike the u.s. coastline. russia just one headache for defense secretary james mattis as he begins the second year on the job. the u.s. nuclear determent also aimed at north korea which the report says may now only be months away from the capability to strike the u.s. with
nuclear-armed missiles. >> if north korea would hypothetically launch a ballistic missile tipped with a nuclear weapon at the united states that we intercepted, it is not the sort of thing that we would say, oh, well, that is the end of the story. >> reporter: because of current tensions, the pentagon may delay a routine test of a u.s. intercontinental ballistic missile until after the olympics cnn has learned. along with the joints chiefs job number one now for mattis is to convince president trump to not conduct a limited strike against north korea hoping sanctions work before a missile is fielded. job number two, mattis still has to have credible military options to back up the diplomatic effort. >> he has to present it in a way that that leads up, that manages his boss so that his boss who has never seen combat unlike general dunford and secretary
matt i mattis, he has not experienced that kind of chaos. he has to understand the consequences of making a decision on the use of military force. >> reporter: critics say all of this lower the threshold for president trump to decide to use nuclear weapons. but advocates say in today's world, this strong deterrence is necessary against america's adversaries. barbara starr, cnn, the pentagon. cape town south africa is drought ridden and it is running out of water. we'll you tell you how residents are dealing with an approaching disaster. and also the latest on tv stations taken off the air in ken i can't. wh kenya. what is the government is doing about a court order to bring them back. who wants customizabe options chains? what is the government is doing about a court order to bring them back. kenya. what is the government is doing about a court order to bring them back. f the lowest ons fe are you raising your hand? good then it's time for power e*trade
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we are hahave received dram video to show you. you see cars and homes being washed away, this as raging floodwaters push through in northwestern argentina. >> reports say 10,000 were forced to evacuate their homes when a river burst its banks. and as you can see, some had to be pulled from the rushing water. and the water crisis in cape town is already a crisis fair to say, but its 4 million residents are facings possibility of a full blown catastrophe temperature in a little more than two months, the city could run out of water. people there waiting in long lines, stockpiling water for the so-called day zero. some are even building their own rationing systems for their homes. >> the city has restricted residents to just over 13 gallonsliters of water a
day from municipal sources and the crisis is spreading. the industrial area could also face shortages because of low levels in reservoirs. >> let's bring in derrick van damme to tell us more about this. you have friends and family that are there. this is a very big deal not only for cape town, but around the world to see what is happening here. what exactly is day zero, what does it looks like? >> it is an actual date that the city of cape town has designated as the day that they will turn off the taps. that day is april 16th. so people in cape town will walk to their faucet, walk to their taps just like we do every day, take it for granted and there will literally be no water coming out of those taps and faucets. this is a day like no other. and we're going to see unchartered territory, people walking into situations that we haven't experienced before because this is the first major metropolitan to have the
potential to run out of water because of drought in modern times. >> i was going to say -- excuse me, i've lost my voice. i've anchored for many years and i don't remember covering a story like this with this amount of people involved. >> there are other cities that are water stressed. sao paulo, melbourne, places like mexico city. but none of them have been forced to shut off their taps in a last ditch effort to reserve the last bits of that finite resource being water that is so crucial to humanity. so really lots to talk about. this story is wide ranging. so many angles. how do you control a population of 4 million people when you have only 200 allocation points to distribute 25 liters of water to that 4 million people. so you do the math, that is 20,000 people per allocation point. that just provides logistic issues all on its own.
71 days, 11 hour, 16 minutes, 26 seconds is how long until day zero occurs april 16th in cape town south africa. these are the latest images from nasa, they did a study and they show that the major reservoirs just outside of the city of cape town, the six big reservoirs that feed cape town its water source, and i want you to see the gradual progression. 2014 to 2016 to just last week, look at the depletion in the water especially across the tier. that particular dam here serves about 40% of their drinking water and it has been deplete, standing at only 13%. this area is just outside of cape town, beautiful part of south africa, this is the wine estate. everybody knows about this. the water system here has beeae
severely depleted. look at that bathtub ring indicating where the water levels used to be. how did we get to this point? annual average rainfall here is just over 515 millimeters of rain, roughly 20 inches of rainfall. last year, their driest year on record, only 157 millimeters, that is 6 inches of rain in the entire year. level 6-b restrictions from the city of cape town, that is 50 liters per day, average consumption by you and me being an american, 375 milliliters or 20 gallons of water per day. it is incredible to see how much water that we use and take for granted and how they will have to give up major luxuries that we enjoy every single day just from turning on a tap to brushing our teeth to taking showers. they are restricting that and will be nonexistent after april 16. >> it's hard to fathom those of us that are fortunate to turn on the tap and get water. >> puts it in perspective.
>> this could be a new reality, certainly something people are dealing with in cape town, but something that people around the world need to be aware of. >> without a doubt. >> thanks. all right. now to kenya, that government appears to be defying a court order to let three tv channels back on the air. at least three channels were ordered shut off on tuesday. the move came over coverage of the symbolic swearing in of an opposition leader. the court ordered the government to restore all transmissions thursday, a hear going challenging that decision to shut them down is set for later this month. let's go live to nairobi. good to have you with us. what is next for these tv channels beyond the court order, do they have any recourse? >> reporter: well, not really. the recourse that they have is that the courts as you say, they have ordered these stations to be reopened as way back as two days ago, they did this.
and the private petition that went to the courts to try to get the television stations back on was telling us that he went to the kenya communications authority, tried to hand over the court's orders and they simply told him to go away and never to set his foot there again about th again. but he has managed to serve the interior minister and the minister of information and attorney general and the hearing as you say will be somewhere around february 14th. but the criticism has been completely overwhelming of the government's moves. just now i'm reading a letter from the committee to protect journalists calling the kenyan government's refusal to an bid by the court order as something akin to full-on censorship. and of course even within kenya itself, people are a little bit bitmuse ebi bitbe be mused by the government's reaction. and this is an unprecedented
move to shut down four tv stapgstapgs stations like this and then be told to switch them back on and four days later they are still not back on. >> and i wanted to ask you a bit more about that, the general response. what are people saying about the fact this happened? >> reporter: they are usually easy going folk. and we talked to people on the streets and from very young women who say that their routine and to people being cross, why do they have in this day and age in an independent brightly developing and very prominent part of east africa, why do they have to turn to the internet and of course stations like cnn to get news of their own political life. these are questions that the
government still has to answer and it will remain to see of course whether or not these stations will be back on air. >> farai, thank you so much. we'll keep up with the story. thank you. we'll pause and talk some olympics when we come back. because they are almost here. we'll have a live report from south korea. plus the u.s. pro football championship, it will be played sunday. the super it aptly named the su bowl? we'll explain. oh, sorry i'm late, sir. i had a doctor's appointment. when you said you were at the doctor, but your shirt says you were at a steakhouse... that's when you know it's half-washed. now from downy fabric conditioner comes downy odor
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breakthrough since the new year. north korea actually sending athletes here, sending hundreds of others in what they are calling cultural demonstrations, all of it good news for south korea and what they hope will be the biggest and best winter olympics ever. i can tell you i was out there today, there is still a lot of finishing touches to be put on some of the events, but it has to be said korea has been a bit luke warm, but now it seems that ticket sales are picking up and people are embracing what they know will be the olympic spirit. what has been so interesting is to see the political effects. at one point the united states being skeptical about how the games would come off. now donald trump saying yesterday that he thinks something good will come of it. having said that, natalie, you and i both know for these athletes that train so long and hard for these games, they just want the politics out of it. and as understand, they want to get to some sports and hopefully when the opening ceremonies begin we can put some of the polt tick politics behind them and concentrate on good
performances. >> i'm ready for it. i think the world needs a little bit of olympic spirit. i want to talk to you about russia's participation. is there still some back and forth on that? >> reporter: gosh, is there ever. i mean, we just had in the last hour the ioc had a press conference and again you heard earlier in the week just to update you that some russian athletes had appealed their lifetime ban. 28 of those, their appeal succeeded. they now are waiting to see whether now the ioc gives them permission to participate in the olympics. think about it, these are top athletes who now are in limbo with the olympics just six days away. i want you to listen to the ioc spokesperson mark adams to hear what he had to say about their participation. >> will it be a success? i think time will judge. but i think we can be at least be pleased that we have tried rather than going for blanket ban or letting everyone in, we've tried to actually find out
on an individual basis for individual young athletes, many of whom have never competed in big games before, to try to let them have their olympic dream which would be denied if a blanket ban was applied. >> reporter: and natalie, mark adams there is really addressing some criticism of the ioc saying you have been too easy on russia here. having said that, still a few athletes in limbo and they may know perhaps 24 hours before these olympics start whether or not they can compete. >> okay. paula newton, we appreciate it. thanks. before we get to the olympics, we have the biggest annual sporting spectacle in the united states one day away. >> a lot of people will be watching super bowl lii. the u.s. pro football championship set to be played sunday pitting the eagles against the patriots. >> everything about it is enormous. according to forbes, american consumers spent an average $14
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to meet with kim jong un. i don't expect that kim jong un would come to the united states because he might fear that he would be thrown in american jail and never see the light of dayat ever again.ro not that that would happen. n so it may be that they choose potentially south korea right there along the border in panmunjom which would be thehe site of the talks between south korea's president moon jae-in and kim jong un later in may. or maybe it's a third country, some neutral country somewhere else in the world where everyone can meet. how did we get to this point? the white house just walking us through that in a conference call right now, but chung eui-young is the south korean national security advisor, said in a statement outside the white house here that it was due to president trump's program of maximum pressure that north korea came to the table. they said that while kim is committed to the denuclearization of the korean peninsula, he also understands the joint military exercises between south korea and the united states must continue.
president trump, as youd remember, tucker, came under an externally mounted criticism for his tough-minded approach towards north korea. a lot of people saying he wanted to start a war with the north. would seem exactly the opposite has happened. rather than the missiles flying, it looks like there will beal talks. and it really is, when you look at everywhere we up until this point, an extra ordinary moment in history. tucker. >> tucker: it's astounding. john, was there any mention of the role, if any, that china played in this? >> i think that this was very much a behind the scenes sort of thing. when you talk about the program of maximum pressure, that wasn'a just the united states. it was the united states and a number of other countries, first and foremost among them china. president trump has pushed xi jinping time and time again to get tougher with north korea, to increase the sanctions, to put the squeeze on north korean banks, to not allow workers in north korea -- north korean workers in china to send money back to north korea.
we don't know exactly how much china did in this particular case. it seemed like it was limited, but at this moment, it appears like it may have been enough. so we'll see where this goes. nobody's under any illusions here in the united states that kim jong un -- they might think that he is sincere but nobody thinks that he's not potentially playing fast and loose here. we had john bolton, the former u.n. ambassador, on air the other day saying that he thinks they are just trying to buy timu so that they can complete their nuclear weapons program. then they've got a very big bargaining chip. but they are looking at this optimistically here at the white house, tucker, thinking that this might be the opening that the united states has waited for and tried for for an awfully long time. >> tucker: well, it's unexpected, to say the least. john roberts at the white house, thank you very much. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: harry kazianis is a north korea expert and director of defense studies at the center for the national interests and he joins us tonight. harry, i don't know anybody, any of the geniuses running our foreign policy in washington who predicted anything like this.
>> i certainly didn't, that's for certain. i actually thought there was a better chance that we would be at nuclear war with north koreae than there would be peace talks. but there is something we are missing,re tucker. there'se a little bit of contex. south korean press, about two weeks ago, came out with some reports that were fascinating. they actually speculated that north korea was actually on the edge of financial bankruptcy. by october, their foreign exchange reserves are probably going to be exhausted, and their dollar reserves are going to be exhausted. so that means north korea is essentially bankrupt. you can't build a loft of nuclear weapons and a lot of missiles when you have no moneyt to do it, to pay all the different spies and people to bring those materials back. you can't also feed your people that way. so i do think the north koreans might be trying to buy some time here, but i also think that kim jong un's newfound pragmatism, there might be a bigger reason for it. >> tucker: so what do you make of this?s? kim pledged that north korea will refrain from any further nuclear or missile tests. >> as long as we are talking, that is the other caveat to that so i guess as long as both sides are negotiating and trying to figure something out, that then they won't test.
there's a bigger point to all of this. what i would urge president trump to do: meet witr kim jong un, through the hail mary.im history shows us sometimes these things can actually happen and work out.hr i don't think there's anything wrong with that. but what this administration cannot do, tucker, is give himdo any bribes, give him any economic incentives. the north koreans have tried that in the past to come to the table. that would be the wrong move, that would be a mistake. >> tucker: huh. so what is the gambit? continued pressure? i guess in the words of south korea? >> i think what we need to do is, we need to test north korea's intentions. maybe they are sincere.nt maybe they are willing to come to the negotiating table.es because we have to remember something here. t the north koreans -- time is against them. their economy is a disaster. it's worth something like $14 billion. south korea's is worth something like 1.2 trillion. someday the north korean state will collapse. and i think kim realizes this.n so this may be a historic moment. i never thought i would see this before, probably in decades. so i think trump has to explore it. >> tucker: and he may be the
one president who would actually do this, who would go meet with the north korean leader. is he going to stop on his way in oslo to get the nobel peace prize? >> he should be given -- >> tucker: [laughs] >> if he lands this, if he closes the ultimate deal of a lifetime, you give that man the nobel prize. there's no question. >> tucker: but let's be -- i mean, the chances of that are right around zero i think. >> they are maybe around -- >> tucker: of getting the nobel peace prize. >> well. >> tucker: they give it to obama for getting o elected. >> he didn't do anything, yeah. >> tucker: i'm aware. >> yeah. you know what? trump has got to explore this. >> tucker: so what happens -- i mean, just to game this out a little bit, and obviously this is speculative. but the end game of course is reunification. the koreas becoming one country again. what would that mean for everyone else? >> means a lot of good, means a lot of bad. the bad is the toughest part. the cost to reunify north korea with south korea iss probably something like $10 trillion. you are talking about having to build roads, bridges, take care of their people. the economics of that would be totally insane. plus you would have china and japan very nervous about what a
strong korea would mean for the region. just thinking that through is just astronomical. >> tucker: huh. and china would not be in favor, and japan would not be in favor. >> i don't think -- japan i think you could convince them in the long term. china i think it would be one of their biggest fears. >> tucker: well, we are thinking ahead. for the moment, this is really -- it's amazing. >> it's history in the making. >> tucker: again, as usual, no one in d.c. predicted anything like it. harry, great to see you. >> thanks, tucker. o >> tucker: a lot more on this breaking story later in the show. on immigration now. that was the sleeper issue of the 2016 election. no one in power on either side wanted to talk about it but voters did. they knew our immigration policy was not serving their interests, and that's why donald trump won. you'd think both parties would've learned something from that experience, kind of a big deal. and the message was clear. c voters don't want open borders, and they said so emphatically. but congress is still not even pretending to listen. many republican members on the hill are still pushing for mass amnesty under the orwellian title of comprehensive immigration reform. and democrats? well, they've got completely off the deep end. 20 years ago, bill clinton gave
speeches, including the state of the union address, calling illegal immigration a danger to the middle class because it was, demonstrably. trying saying that now at a democratic fund-raising dinner.r you'd be dragged off the stage and charged with bigotry. democrats are now affirmatively in favor of illegal immigration, not an overstatement. they tried to shut down the government on behalf of illegal aliens. they claimed that immigration laws that congress passed with their support are now illegitimate and that the officers charged with enforcing those laws are fascists. and of course they have made all rational conversation impossible by framing the entire issue is a battle in some sort of larger race war. it's shocking, but that's not an exaggeration. watch this. >> the attorney general is trying to distract the american people from a failed immigration system by painting a racist, broad brush of our immigrant community as dangerous b criminals. >> the racists who are driving immigration policy in the white house are defining the agenda for every house
republican and are shaping the brand of the republican party not just as the party who doesn't want poor or latin american immigrants but doesn't want brown or black or anyone who isn't white in this country. >> since last night, the president put forth a plan. that plan is a campaign to make america white again. >> tucker: the plan she is talking about of course would have admitted 3 million nonwhite immigrants.f talk about demagoguery. democrats aren't simply the pro immigration party. they are now the anti-border party, the party opposed to citizenship itself. they don't want the border secured. they oppose the deportation of anyone under any circumstances, evenen after criminal offenses. they pushed to give illegal immigrants welfare benefits, drivers licenses, in-state tuition, state funded attorneys to fight american immigration law. they think kate steinle's killer has more rights than you do. when you confront them on any ok this, they say that american citizens just aren't impressive enough. they are too fat. they are too lazy. they are too addicted to drugs. they demand decent wages.
they insist on constitutional rights like, i don't know, freedom of speech, the right to bear arms. all very inconvenient. some of them have said that out loud. bill kristol basically said that out loud. democratic leaders would like to see these people replaced by compliant foreigners who will serve the ruling class without complaint. well, do voters actually support any event? well, actually they don't. but it doesn't matter. democrats know if they import enough new voters, they will be able to run the country forever. would you want to live in that country? probably not. but judge for yourself. california democratic senator kamala harris recently told the rest of us california, her state, is our future. listen. >> these folks are really mired in rolling back the clock in time. and that's not going to happen. california represents the future. and they don't like it, but there you go. >> tucker: yeah, they don't like it, but california is our future. says future presidential candidate kamala harris. what would that mean actually if the future work california? well, california has more poverty than any state.
it has the highest number of residents who don't speak english at home. according to u.s. news, it has the lowest quality of life in the entire country. 50 out of 50 states. housing prices are totally out of control. homelessness is overwhelming. go there and see for yourselves. hypodermic needles literally piling up in the street.t. the middle class can't flee fast enough.. in the past decade, a million more people have moved out oftr california than have moved in. a u-haul from san jose to phoenix costs ten times as much as a u-haul going the other way because no one is going the i other way. this is the future that kamala harris is boasting about. all this could soon, by the way, be a political problem for democrats. the midterms are coming up this fall. democrats are going to win seats for sure. the out party always does. republicans have made some really dumb mistakes. they are going to win back seats. the question is will they retake congress? according to all predictions, they should.in they definitely promised their voters they are to retake
congress. and yet in spite of all these advantages, they may not. they may fall short. why? because their positions on immigration are radical and crazy, and they have no popular support. n in a democracy, popularul suppot still matters. bryan dean wright is a democrat. he's also a former cia operative who says the open borders agenda is not sustainable, virtuous as it may be, and he joins us tonight. so bryan, what do you mean by that?bo why is it not sustainable to let every poor person in the world move here? >> well, here's the bottom line. this argument, this debate, has really focused on the past. how have past immigrants madehe america's greatness? and indeed they have. we all have connections to fantastic immigrant communities, right? so what's happening now and in the next 15 to 20 years? and what we are seeing is something not related oro connected to politics but actually technology. and what is happening: robotics, automation, and machine learning. it's really effectively making human labor less and less important and relevant. and that's especially true for jobs that immigrants hold. and by the way, blue-collar folks and people of color in
inner-cities in particular. >> tucker: exactly. >> the obama administration came out with this study in late 2016 right before they left and said look, we are on the verge of losing jobs. if you have them under 20 bucks an hour, you are likely --'m and i'm going to quote "going to beo automated into obsolescence." basically your job is going to go away.ou and they said if you earn less than 20 bucks an hour, you can forget about any kind of qualitu of life, right? so these are the kinds of jobs that immigrants take. so we need to be talking about how this technology is going to impact not only people hear but the future kinds of people that we should be embracing as p they come into this country to include a merit-based system. everybody can have a different opinion on whether or not we should be doing this. but we should be talking about what's driving this change. and that change is technology. >> tucker: i mean, previous waves of immigration began at the start of the industrial revolution. we are at the end of it. so it's a totally different country with different economic needs.nd what you just said, i'm going to print out and put at the top ofy my list of things to worry about. the jobs that previous
generations of immigrants held are going to be gone. so this is so obvious. it should be particularly obvious to people in california which is leading the technological change. why does nobody say that ever?r? >> it's incredibly frustrating. i think for those of us who have been looking at this issue very, very closely. i work with an organization now or collaborate with them. innovation collective. that is trying to figure out how do you take care of the people who are already here, re-inspire, reengage them, particularly in flyover states, which is an offensive term but we've embraced it. fine, let's do this. how do we fix this country and this economy so that they win? all right? absent that, who's going to take care of the folks are already here? irrespective of the folks that we will be importing down the road. how are we going to pay for the trillion dollar programs to take care of the people who are already here let alone bringing in new folks which about 60% don't have any kind of notable skills. how are we going to take care of them if ultimately they are not providing a lot back into the economy? so i think for the next 5 to 10 years, we have got to be focused
on where these technologies are headed. and by the way, i've been slammed by folks on the left. media matters and others. for even bringing the subject up. so it doesn't really bode well for having this conversation. but i will tell you if anybody wants to be angry about this, reach out to the people in san francisco and los angeles and new york and boston who are creating this technology, to your point. i mean, get angry at them for creating a system where we are going to have to be more thoughtful about who we take in this country. and that's the bottom line. >> tucker: yes, and we are angry. by the way, let me just say it's thrilling to hear somebody say something that is demonstrably true that everyone else is afraid to say. and you just did it.t and i'm grateful that you did. thank you, bryan. >> you betcha. >> tucker: a supporter of the open borders agenda joins us next to rebut what you just heard. did the president insult north korea's dictator sot much that he actually agreed to a meeting and may disarm? this news is moving fast and we will have the latest onon that story when we come
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study, all by liberals, obama people. mackenzie company, consultants all predict like huge percent of all of our blue collar jobs are going away really soon. and yet we are importing people as he noted are 60% without meaningful skills. poor people with no education. doesn't mean they are bad people.e what are they going to do? bsit's crazy. >> some industries where we are not going to be losing jobs, hospitality. agriculture, landscaping. retail, healthcare. this is where actually a lot of these undocumented immigrants are working. and you see what's happening in california where these businesses are just absolutely caught in a vice.ne you got ice on one hand. this california law on the other basically saying not so fast. and they are losing employees and they are losing customers because people just don't want to be around there. >> tucker: most of the jobs you mentioned are designed to serve rich people. this policy itself is designed
to make sure that everyone in your neighborhood gets cheap housekeepers. i get it. so the ruling class is inn favor of that. i'm talking about actual jobsr one can you support a family on. the old industrial jobs. that are going away.ld >> right. >> tucker: why would you ever, in the face of that change, import people who are not prepared to compete in a digital high tech economy? why would you do that? >> again, when you talk about importing people. >> tucker: letting them come.. >> okay, fine. understand when the democrats were in control we had a gang of 8 bill that 14 republicans -- orrin hatch, lamar alexander, not lefties supported and we also had a net outflow of people from the u.s. to mexico. that's when the democrats were in charge, right? so, this notion about open borders, that's a caricature. i get it, but it justrd happens not to comport with rerelation. >> tucker: literally arguing for open borders now. arguing for them now.. any border enforcement isrs not just wrong or against this country's economic interest, which is a
conversation i would be happy to have, but it's racist. you don't like people of different color. they are basically describing this as a kind of race war. is there a more divisive way to conduct politics than to say that kind of crap out loud when a, you know it's a lie and b, you know it's going to leave permanent wounds? >> so, again, kamala harris who you quoted earlier said i'm a former prosecutor, if ice wants to take out gang members and violent criminals and so forth, i'm there. because that's what they should be doing. if somebody is here undocumented that's a violent criminal, get them out. that's what she has been saying. look, as far as kind of targeting people by race, jeff sessions, i'm quite sure, went into california with his program and his lawsuit because the vice was tightening elsewhere in the trump administration, things weren't looking good for him personally and the administration generally and good way to talk about the other. a >> tucker: whatever. but here is the truth. w >> it is. >> tucker: lawmakers can debate the wisdom of laws. okay? that's what they do. lawmakers should never encourage
others to disregard laws, to flout the law. to undermine the law. their job is to make laws, not encourage lawlessness. >> agreed. >> tucker: if democrats don'tli like immigration laws theon ones they voted for in congress. why don't they work to change them rather than try c to convince people laws you don't like don't need to be obeyed which is what they are doing now. >> what they are saying is by law a government cannot force its state to spend its resources. it's rich, we agree. have you people from alabama who absolutely stiff armed the voting rights act saying now, we think the state should really be disempowered and should follow what washington says. >> tucker: nobody is arguing this. we have been through this ground many times.s states are not obligated to enforce federal law. they are prohibited from undermining it and thwarting it and obstructing it. that's exactly what they are doing.ng you know it. it's illegal. they are doing it anyway. the lunatic mayor of oakland whose actual americanny citizens are dying because parts of oakland are terrifying. rather than meet their needs, she is encouraging illegals to escape federal
law enforcement. that's obstruction of law. >> she is advising them of their rights.th some other right, if it was o a second amendment, you wouldd say thank god, mayor. >> tucker: they don't have rights.. they are not american citizens.. her concern should be for american citizens. >> she was basically saying do you or do you not have to respond to a knock on theas door. that's a right you have. >> tucker: the cops are coming, run. no snitching. she is out-of-touch rich who doesn't understand her obligation to americans. >> what law enforcement would tell you in oakland and in california to the extent that immigrants feel beset upon by police and by law enforcement, they are less likely to report domestic violence and other things because they just don't want to come forward. >> tucker: who cares? look, i'm not against -- i'm actually for immigrants. i like them. but shouldn't lawmakers make their bottom line the well being of citizens: democrats are not doing that. if they don't win the house, i'm going to come on the show with you and gloat because their views are so far out of the
mainstream, they may not win the house. >> i don't think if they don't win the house this is going to be. if you look at the polls, the polls are no wall. no reduction in immigration and, yes on dreamers. that's what the polls actually say. o >> tucker: well, we will see. you said the polls said that, i don't know, in 2016 and donald trump won. [laughs] >> by 3 million short but yeah, he won.. >> tucker: thank you, richard. >> sure. >> tucker: federal lawsuit is an act of war which is why the state of insurrection against american law is in place. a lot of stuff going on in this country, the director of ice joins us to talk about the latest next. liberty mutual stood with me when this guy got a flat tire in the middle of the night, so he got home safe. yeah, my dad says our insurance doesn't have that. what?! you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.
saying it's illegal forr anyone who lives in that state, private citizens, to cooperate with you, a federal law enforcement agency, what does that do to the work you are trying to do in the state of california? >> it makes our enforcement duties a lot more difficult in the state of california. rather than taking custody of a criminal alien who is a public safety threat inside the security and safety of a county jail where we don't have access to weapons, now we are forced to go into neighborhoods, places os employment, to locate these public safety threats on their turf where they could have access to who knows what weapons.co my biggest concern is one of my agents is going to knock on the door some day and he's not going to go home that night. that's very unfortunate because he should have been able to apprehend that person in jail and not be forced to go on his turf to arrest him. >> tucker: so this is making t it more dangerous for federal immigration agents, but there is an irony here because the state of california, its politicians are claiming that you guys are going door-to-door and
rousting the innocence? s but you are saying their policies are making you go door to door.our. >> let's be clear. the sanctuary city policies are forcing our hand, right? for decades, we've had access to county jails. we can take -- someone is in the country illegally, they are sitting in the county jail, which means they are not a choir boy, local and state officials have made the decision to lock these people up. and for decades, we went to the jail, identified them as illegae aliens, and take them into custody and remove them from the country, remove them from the community. but because they have limited our access to the jails, they don't share information with us, now we are forced to go into neighborhoods which, when theey governor says he's protecting the immigrant communities, theod mayor is saying she's protecting the immigrant communities, they ares not. they are releasing criminal aliens back into the very a communities they live in they victimize. so they're putting immigrant communities at increased danger of crime. and they put the immigrant community at increased arrest by i.c.e. because when we go into t home to arrest that target, if we find others, they will be arrested too. so they have actually put them in a bad position.he and i'll add this. if they went to the immigrant community and asked the immigrant community, where would you rather have i.c.e.? in a county jail or in your neighborhood?
i guarantee that they would tell you the county jail. >> tucker: how does it make you feel to hear your agents described in effect as bigots, as a domestic gestapo by the democrats in california?a? >> it's an insult to the 20,000 american patriots that work for i.c.e. these are men and women they get up every day, strap a gun tore their hip to defend this nationu they leave the safety and t security of their home every day to protect their neighborhoods, to protect the community. and they are enforcing the law that congress enacted. they are doing their job, their sworn oath. so it's an insult to many fine men and women. >> tucker: you don't make the laws.ns congress does. so what do you -- how do you respond when brian fallon, who was a former spokesman for hillary clinton, says the democrats ought to run on eliminating i.c.e.? >> you know, if you look at the work that i.c.e. did, how many criminal aliens have we removed from these communities? how much safer have we made these communities? you know, these politicians, they need to talk to the victimd of alien crime. talk to the parents that i have talked to that lost children at
the hands of criminal aliens. they need to talk to california. the california sheriffs association, the governors sheriffs, came out in support of i.c.e. they did a press release last night. if i can read just one sentence of their press release. it shows governor brown is wrong on this issue.e this comes from his own sheriffs. "we oppose sb 54. the bill was enacted still containing significant liabilities which include s restricting our communication with federal law enforcement about the release of wanted, undocumented criminals from our jails, including known gang members and other serious offenders." j his own sheriffs agree with what i.c.e. and doj say. >> tucker: shocking. mr. homan, thank you for coming on. that was great. >> thank you for having me.. >> tucker: good to see you.mr we have newly released radio transmissions from the parkland massacre in florida. that's next. 's next. ♪
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♪ >> tucker: we now have police radio traffic from the parkland shooting.. it includes disgraced officer scot peterson, the one who failed to enter stoneman douglas high school to confronter the shooter and save the 17 who were murdered. here's part of it. >> tucker: didn't go in. just kept talking. radio traffic does shed some light on the biggest scandal of that massacre. after failing to respond to numerous warnings about nikolas cruz, the shooter, broward county sheriff's deputies also failed to takeke action during the shooting that obviously could have saved lives. well, florida's republicand controlled legislature just passed a battery of new gun control laws. the specific law raises the minimum age from buying a gun in the state to 21.
it impose a minimum three day waiting period and bans bump stocks. it also creates a school for arming employees but requires them to complete at least 12 hours of diversity training. the law is still waiting for governor rick scott's signature. he could veto it. we don't know. representative david richardson is a democrat in the florida state house and he joins us tonight. representative, thanks for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: so i know you didn't support this bill, but i know that you are an advocate for gun control laws more broadly. tell me why it contains 12 hours of mandatory diversity training. how would that stop mass shootings? >> well, i think the diversity training was added because it would give everyone anbe opportunity to understand different communities and their needs and the diversity. so i know that there was a lot of concern from the communities of color about putting guns in schools and the stand your ground laws
here in the state of florida which i'm sure you are very familiar with. they felt like it would be beneficial to have diversity training as part of that bill. >> tucker: i understand the political dynamics that lawmakers were bullied by interest groups to do it. let me re-ask my question how would that prevent further mass shootings which i thought was the point of this. >> i don't think that speaks to the prevention of thehe future mass shootings. i think it was added there because the guardian program was included in the bill which was part of the bill, the part of the bill that i had deep concerns about andhe that's why i voted no on the bill. but, as you know, the guardian program would allow school personnel, non-teachers to be armed, to carry guns in schools after an extensive training, over 130 hours and 12 hours of that would have to be in diversity training. >> tucker: yeah. i mean, it just makes the whole thing seem like a joke to the rest of us because, of course, that's totally unrelated to the supposed
justification for the law. so you could see why that would cast some doubt on theee intentions of the whole thing. let me ask you, i presume you support the part of the law that raises the age for purchasing firearms to 21. i'm not sure we know whether that's going to prevent mass shootings or save life. just from a constitutional rights perspective, so that's a right specifically mentioned in the constitution. okay. it's not like the right to buy alcohol. it's specifically mentioned. are there any other rights specifically mentioned like the right to vote or the right to free speech that weht could kind of bump the age cap up to 21 on? >> well, as you know, we limit certain activities, for example, when you can get your drivers license. >> tucker: sure. >> i understand those are not constitutional issues. >> tucker: no, they're not. >> you are talking about second amendment, of course. i fully support the secondke amendment.re but it's something that i think we need to take a careful look at because, you know, we -- the second amendment was written at a time when we had militia
men carrying muskets and pouches of gunpowder. we don't have that anymore. >> tucker: that's true. let me stop you there. you make a fair point. i want to go back and make sure i understand. you say we need to take a look at the second amendment. what do you mean? revising it, repealing it? what does that mean? >> i am not in favor of repealing it. but i think that we should take a look at it in the context of when it was written versus today. i don't think the founding fathers could have anticipated the type of weaponry we have today. >> tucker: that's true. o but, may i just say, i'm sorry, but this is important because you are a lawmaker. they also couldn't have anticipated the internet. they barely had the printing press. should we also take a look at the first amendment? i mean, why wouldn't we if that's how we are going to evaluate our constitutional rights? >> we have taken a look at the first amendment several times. that's why you can't yell fire in a movie theater. >> tucker: that's y basically all you can't do. any other speech is allowed according to the supreme court. do you think, again, those decisions were before the internet. do you think we should revise the first amendment
are all constitutional rights up for revision based on technological advances? >> so, guns are the subject that we're talking about tonight, not the first amendment. >> tucker: no, the constitution. >> let me just get this in. >> tucker: yeah, yeah. >> what often gets lost in the discussion with the second amendment is the part that starts with the about a well-regulated militia. how -- why aren't we talking about that?uc where is this well-regulated militia? >> tucker: the supreme court has brought that up at least twice in the last 10 years. both times that amendment applies to the individual not the militia. that is a settled legal question. i'm wondering how the florida state legislature is reinterpreting that. but whatever.a we will find out. thank you, congressman, i appreciate that and your explanations.ev louis farrakhan is, of course, a racist. doesn't hide it.kh anti-semitic. says that right out loud and a fix for the democratic party.
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"dukes of hazzard," i don't know if you were living in this country then, but it was a pretty popular tv show, '70s, early '80s. it was pulled out of rotation because there's a confederate flag on a car. and that was considered too much. >> on the roof of the car. >> tucker: on the roof. for the sensibilities of american viewers. protect the children from that. but then danny davis is hanging out with a guy who was saying the jews are bloodsuckers or whatever horrible thing he is saying and nobody cares because why? >> because he is on their team. and the left are very seriousf about this. minister farrakhan has said that instead of borrowing on about what hitler did to the jews, the jews should ask themselves about what they did to hitler to make them -- him so mad at them. >> tucker: did he really say that? >> that's how he has formulated it on multiple locations. the media and powerful democrats such as the deputy chairman keith ellison looked the other way. they have looked the other way since at least the so-called
million man march when he went nuts and started talking on the mall that he was standing by the lincoln and jefferson memorials. and lincoln was the 16th president and jefferson was the third president. and if you add them up,, 16 and 3 makes 19 which is the precise height of each of the memorials and 19, the 9 means h there is a pregnant womb andnd the 1 means there is a secret that's going to be uncovered. he is a nut. he is a nut. now, it's not just that he hates jews but he claims to have been abducted on i believe at least two occasions by aliens. the first time he was taken up into space to commune with this spirit of elijah muhammad, the founder of the nation of islam, and the second time he was apparently abducted by jews who've got a ufo. there is jews in space. who knew? so it means that whenever jared kushner or tony blair or whoever solves the middle east peace
process, they are going to have to get right on minister farrakhan's rocket ship and go up to planet zongo and sort out the squabbling jews and nation of islam guys up there in space. it says something absolutely appalling about the democratic party that an obvious nut, that obama -- that even maxine waters, that keith ellison, that all of these democrats are sove scared of a lunatic that theyll feel obliged to kiss up to him. >> tucker: [laughs] i covered the million man march. i didn't know any of that. that was amazing. he is even nuttier that i imagined. >> yeah, it's all in the numbers. 16 plus 3. look, he makes great calypso albums, or he did in the '50s. and he can carry off a red bow tie with aplomb.. which as you know, tucker, is more difficult than it looks.hi
so let's give him that. but it's embarrassing that this nut is a power broker in the democratic party and the media won't cover it. >> tucker: oh, i wish we had an hour to talk. mark steyn, thank you. >> thanks a lot, tucker. >> tucker: we'll have more on tonight's breaking news, astounding, really, breaking news. president trump's planned meeting with kim jong un of north korea. nobody saw that coming. we'll be right back. alice is living with metastatic breast cancer,
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tthink it came out of a policy that was so dramatically different than president obama's. strategic patience for obama versus enough b.s. from trump. he put sanctions on coming at the trainees too do things they were never willing to do in the prior administration. we gave up nothing for this meeting. sanctions continued, our joint exercises continue, and there may be a meeting and made with the president. hehe accepted but there is a lot of ground to be laid before that meeting will be how to. >> tucker: but so interesting is that that strategy was greeted in washington, by the same people who said that iraqis would greet us as liberators. we are going to nuclear war, you're out of control, uterine what we are doing. will anybody say, i was wrong? >> the resistance will never admit that trump was able to make this breakthrough. the question is, what will come for a meeting, a face-to-face meeting with the president, korea, the president of united states? i am dismissives of modern nixon
goes to china. mao makes this guy look like a choir boy. look,ho if trump is able to maka modicum of difference and turn back the clock on the nuclear program, this is going to be huge. it will be good for the united states, it will be good for the region. and i think china deserves a lot of credit. the south koreans deserve a lot of credit. but there's a lot of ground work in n the next month or so. >> tucker: for sure. it may not work. this is not a step towards war. the next question, could any other president, whatever he's not good at, could any other president have done this? >> it would be hard to believe they could. why? he's so unorthodox he's willing to do things that foggy bottomnt would never have entertained. that is why he goes around people and those things that are totally unexpected. >> tucker: the state department did not do this. >> oh, my gosh, no. >> tucker: thank you. great to see you.ir we have confirmed
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>> no, i didn't know anything about the meeting. >> let's focus on what the president was aware. nothing. >> it must have been a very unborn meeting because i never heard about it. >> i wouldn't even have remembered it. it was a wasted 20 minutes, which is a shame. >> this meeting took place almost two years ago. it is easy to forget how the whole story unfolded and also how the trump camp has repeatedly changed its story about what happened that day. for more, here is our randi kaye. >> reporter: on june 3, 2016, in an e-mail from publicist rob goldstone, donald trump jr. is promised incriminating information about hillary clinton. his response, if it is what you say, i love it, especially later in the summer. six days later, don junior met with the russian lawyer at trump tower. joining him, paul manafort and his son-in-law jared kushner.
when the "new york times" broke the story last year about the secret meeting, don jr. didn't initially disclose the intended purpose of the meeting. instead he said the purpose was to discuss the adoption of russian children. but the very next day when the "times" broke the news that the president's son was promised damaging information about hillary clinton, don jr. issued a statement saying the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to russia were supporting mrs. l clinton. he also said the lawyer changed the subject to adoption. two days after the story broke, white house press secretary sarah sanders denied the president had any prior knowledge of the meeting. >> when did the president learn that meeting had taken place? >> i believe in the last couple of days is my understanding. >> reporter: the next day on fox new, don jr. said his father was unaware of the meeting. >> did you tell your father anything about this?
first of all, these two leaders seem keen on building their relationship, but perhaps it couldn't come at a worse time. >> reporter: well, in many ways it suits the russians perfectly to have this sort of inconsistency in washington on the one hand of course you've got the president's people under investigation for alleged collusion with russian hacking attempts and the indictments of 12 russian agents. and then on the other, you've got something approaching a bromance between the two presidents with vladimir putin repeatedly coming to the aid in terms of public relations of his rival or alleged supposed rival donald trump. so yesterday at the bric conference in johannesburg, for example, the russian president went out of his way to say that the interesting thing about donald trump is that he makes good on his campaign promises, that that was an unusual
characteristic of a modern politician. and was praising him. and then went on to say that of course he would be delighted to visit washington and had at some earlier stage the implication being, although we have no evidence of it, maybe helsinki, could have been an earlier meetings when they met, there had been this informal invitation to donald trump to come to moscow. now, that would be a huge coup in atmosphere or dispensation in which robert mueller's investigation is still ongoing or may have just been concluded. who knows. but that would be a per risk could y terrific coup for the russians. but there is a sense also among russian commentators that this has gone a bit too far. there are people now, tv hosts and political programs, saying openly that donald trump behaves as though he smells like a kgb agent. >> right. one has to wonder about the optics of donald trump there visiting the kremlin. we'll wait and see when that day
comes if it indeed does. sam kiley, thanks so much. well, let's talk more about these developments with leslie vinjamuri, she is head of the u.s. and america's program at chatham house. good to see you. always appreciate you coming on. >> thank you. >> at this point can you imagine a scenario for a trump/putin followup summit in the new future? what benefit would that serve? >> well, i think it would raise a lot of he questions right now. of course the reaction to this summit was certainly not favorable in washington. it is even not clear that it did much good for the president more generally, although the republicans are obviously staying with him. i think that there is -- when he gets too close to putin, i think there is a bit of a question and certainly americans even republicans i think were skeptical and not pleased to see him seemingly siding with putin overtelligence
it that president trump so fiercely has said that he was not aware of that meeting until long after the fact and that he wasn't -- that he certainly didn't sanction it going forward, why has he held to that line, why is he trying to cover up. and it obviously raises a very serious question about collusion. but i think the other perhaps even more significant question surrounding this is the one of politics. we're heading up to a midterm election and there is a question of at what point will or whether it will ever really shift how trump's base feel about this, how republicans more broadly feel about the president. at the moment, the investigation and much that surrounds it is being seen outside of washington as something that is a distraction, that is taking up too much energy and too much time. we aren't seeing a lot of attitudes shift amongst the public with respect to whether they do or don't support the president, at least not advisably. if this comes out, it might
begin to increase people's reluctance who have been on the fence a bit more as to whether to support those republicans who continue to support the president as we approach those midterm elections. >> the midterm elections just seems like a complete toss-up when you consider all the things that are on the plate or next to the plate or that may come on the plate, does it not. but you mentioned something about the president and he is really owning the narrative, though, hasn't he. say what you want, he sticks to his pr campaign. and he has really been relentless in blaming others and saying this is a hoax and don't believe anything you see or hear, listen to me. and for the most part, his supporters march on with him because he just continues to hammer that point. >> he owns the narrative within a particular segment of the
russia investigation? how closely is it being watched? >> oh, i think if you -- if you're sitting in london as i am in europe and beyond, people are watching this. i think there is a confusion, sort of a lack of understanding as to why it is that americans don't universally take this more seriously. i think a lot of people see this as clearly below the standard that you would expect of an american president. but on any number of dimensions. you raise the question of tariffs. obviously juncker was in washington last week and that meeting turned out at least in the short term more favorably than many expected. so there are a number of dimensions on which around the world we're not seeing coming out of the white house from the president, from people around him, what one would expect. so the russia investigations are yet another dimension. and certainly i think that
helsinki summit was a moment when many people thought that it was beyond the pale of what you would expect from an american president to really challenge the authority of his own intelligence agencies when sitting next to putin. but there are so many dimensions right now that i think the russia investigation is one that has been the primary focus has been within the united states. >> we always appreciate your in-cites, leslie vinjamuri, thank you. >> thank you. one final note before we move on to other news. and you can file this in the small world category. look who shared a gate friday at washington's reagan national airport. seated on the left, yes, that is special counsel robert mueller. on the right a short distance away in a teal shirt, donald trump jr. no indication the two men were aware of each other or that they did interacted, but came close. ahead here, a deadly inferno
engulfing homes, this one in northern california. but it is just one of dozens of devastating fires across the world right now. we'll have more about it coming up here. you're watching "cnn newsroom." listerine® total care protects better than brushing alone. with 6 benefits in one, from cavity prevention to strengthening teeth. so instead of protection like this, you get protection like this. listerine® total care. bring out the bold.™ there's also a lot to know. the most important thing?
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devastating news for many a places, more than 80 massive wildfires are burning across the united states. 80. one of the biggest is the carr fire in northern california. two people have died and two children and their great grandmother are missing after their home went up in flames. paul hats os other story. >> reporter: high winds and high temperatures wreaking havoc. the carr fire has ravaged the region since monday, doubling in size over the course of the week and it is still growing. deadly and out of control, it has charred some 45,000 acres and dozens of structures as firefighters try to contain it. neighborhoods scorched as smoke and fire climb through hills fueled by the dried landscape. >> no idea what we'll do
tomorrow. >> reporter: dominic and his wife sylvia never imagined they would see their house like this. >> we didn't think the fire was going to come here, so we didn't really take things out. like everybody else that was scrambling at the last minute to get out when we saw the fire on the ridge. >> reporter: officials say more extreme temperatures are in the forecast and it will only continue to make this fire all the more worrisome. it is one of several major pleases burning across the state and one of some 89 across the country. >> this is that new normal, that unpredictability, the large explosive growth fires. >> reporter: leaving firefighters working to control the flames and limit the damage as residents race against the clock to evacuate their homes. paul vercammen, cnn, redding, california. >> california over and over again we see this every year. >> difficult visuals to see and difficult to hear about the grandmother and two children that are missing. but the carr fire is one that
we're focusing on. the california national guard has 800 troops that will help battle the blaze. look at some of the night visuals out of that region. just unbelievable to see. this could be your home, my home. you're he seeing cars burn. there is a basketball hoop in the front driveway. there is a 30,000-foot shadow from a plume of smoke from this fire that is blanketing much of northern california at the moment. the fire has also led to evacuations of nearly 40,000 residents. and you know, what latest numbers, we have had over 500 structures destroyed. nearly 75 structures damaged from this particular fire. and another fire this is just south and east of los angeles, the cranston fire, look at how it is approaching some of these homes. can you believe it? authorities believe that this series of fires was the cause of arson. let talk about the details. but what i don't like to see on 24 particul
this particular map is how we're noticing the drought filling back into southern and central california. the three fires we focus on even though there are several more across the state, there is the carr fire just about 50,000 acres burned, only 5% containment. better news for the cranston and ferguson fires, it looks like firefighters are starting to get a handle on that, those numbers bumping up. redding, california just a little south of the oregon border, temperatures look hot. we're talking triple digit heat for the day today. and this fire, the carr fire, is massive. but just to put it in p perspecti perspective, it didn't top the ten largest. if you recall back in december of 2017, the thomas fire in ventura. as paul mentioned in the package before me, we had over 80 fires active over the western u.s. the actual number is 89 as we speak. this is all amidst an extreme heat wave that continues to boil over the western parts of the country. it has started to relax along
the coastal areas, but in-nd la xh inland community, we have watches and warnings in effect. look at the treniple digit heat. this hot weather has no signs of going anywhere. extreme heat continues. and therefore i'm sure we'll be talk about wildfires for several days if not weeks to come. >> and we have heat in europe as well. euro tunnel says extreme heat in southeast england is causing very long delays for people traveling under the channel to france. this is just another way the brutal heat wave there is making life miserable for people in western europe and it is not letting up. it is also increasing the spread of wildfires in sweden just like it contributed to the deadly fires in greece last week. erin mclaughlin takes a closer look. >> reporter: the fires are gone, but the devastation remained. an eerie silence has fallen on
this virlage where houses once stood, now just charred remains. nothing was spared. authorities believe arson was to blame. >> this is the first time in 38 years of my service seeing so much catastrophe from a fire. >> reporter: as the blaze tore through the coastal village, many sought refuge in the water, but dozens died, almost 200 injured. >> translator: i feel a pain in my heart, a very heavy load. a very big burden. >> reporter: greece is not alone. across europe, tinder dry conditions combined with a scorching heat wave are stretching emergency services to the element. in sweden, a fire front continues to burn out of control. even the country's air force has been deployed to help, dropping a bomb to try to starve a nearby
fire of oxygen. >> translator: it is not something we've done before, so we've been working closely with the rescue leader and we have done meticulous calculations. >> reporter: germany too is dealing with its own fires, including one which forced the closure of a major motorway. but its emergency services are also being deployed in other ways. amid sweltering temperatures, firefighters are being used to water the trees, while in berlin, the water cannon usually reserved for riot control has been brought out, this time low to keep the heat at bay. erin mclaughlin, cnn, london. we have good news for you. the u.s. economy is skyrocketing, but however the economists warn what goes up must come down. they have a new warning on the numbers. we'll share that with you ahead here. also china has its eyes set on africa, what more free trade
could mean for its ambitions there. you're watching "cnn newsroom."
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u.s. president trump says there is no truth to the accusation he knew in advance of a 2016 meeting with russians at trump tower. mr. trump suggested his former attorney michael cohen made up the claim because cohen is under criminal investigation. russian president vladimir putin says he is ready to visit washington. however, that invitation has been pushed to next year by the white house. mr. putin also invited the u.s. president to moscow, but says any meeting between them must have what he calls necessary conditions. new data shows the u.s. economy grew at its fastest rate since 2014. in the last three months, the annualized u.s. gdp was 4.1%, that surge is a result of a number of factors and let's look at them. business investment rose as companies invested some of the money they saved from tax cuts. consumer spending and government spending both increased.
and counter intuitively, concern over a trade war helped too. u.s. exports rose as foreign buyers stocked up on american products before they were hit with tariffs. if the economy grows at 3% for the entire year, it will be the highest growth since 2005. >> during each of the two previous administrations, we averaged just over 1.8% gdp growth. by contrast, we are now on track to hit an average gdp annual growth of over 3% and it could be substantially over 3%. each point by the way means approximately $3 trillion and 10 million jobs. >> let's take a look at how these numbers stack up against the last three administrations. george w. bush hit a 6.9% growth rate in 2003. and then the obama administration reached 5.2%.
and bill clinton's economy back in hit a 7.8 growth rate. that was then, but this is now. earlier we spoke with financial expert about how to look at the current economy. >> i think there are two big things that people should be looking at. one is what is going to happen with these tariffs and what will happen with trade wars. i think that is actually the biggest risk factor that we're facing for the markets and for the economy. and it can just be as little as the threat of a trade war that can make people and businesses pull back. the second thing is interest rates. so what will happen to interest rates, are they going to continue to go up and at what point do short term rates get higher than long term rates. that is what we call interest rate inversion. when that happens almost for the last 40 years you see this very pr predictable pattern of the stock market hitting its peak within
six months and then another six months of a sister thaafter tha out. >> and the u.s. is threatening more tariffs, but the presidents of russia and china are promising the opposite. vladimir putin and xi jinping were both at a bric summit this week, the leaders signed a joints declaration promising open and inclusive trading. for years china has sought better economic and military ties in africa and president xi is capping off an africa tour. for more on this, i'm joined now from johannesburg by collin coleman, managing director for sub saharan africa and partner at goldman sachs. thanks so much for joining us. we'll begin with president xi jinping kicking off this year's summit, critical of the u.s. for escalating tariffs on foreign products. is the trade war hurting emerging economies, those of the
countries present at the meeting there? >> there is certainly concern among south african a leaders that emerging markets are going to experience potential collateral damage from a potential trade war between the goliaths in the global economy being china and the united states. and that was expressed strongly this past week in both bilateral china/africa meeting between president xi and in the bric summit itself. >> but is there is a way that major emerging economies, the ones that are gathered there, could actually benefit from trade tensions? are there ways to work around it? >> well, it is very difficult because the macro impacts of rising interest rates in the united states, which you touched on in your introduction,
stronger u.s. dollar means that investors are going to tend to withdraw from ehe mergie investors are going to tend to withdraw from ehe mergiemerging and focus on the u.s., and that creates a very difficult backdrop for countries like south africa and other african countries. but the big opportunity for the african nations is to create an environment for chinese manufacturing which displaced ot into the african economies. so country like ethiopia is focusing on that, south africa is thinking about industrial hubs to attracti manufacturing opportunities from all countries. so there is let's call it an ongoing revision of policies with a view to how do we take advantage or deal with the
challenges of the global tensions. >> right. so in some respects, is that helping africa? china has particular interest in investing in africa and perhaps looking for new ways to do that to circumvent what is going on with the united states. >> well, i would say if you just take a step back, it is already 12 years since the african president's converged on beijing for the 2006 summit. it is also by the way ten years now exactly a decade since the formation of the brics which saw the standard bank investment by icbc for $5.5 billion exactly ten years ago which i was closely involved in. so you've seen and ongoing attempt by the countries to take advantage of this unfolding african focus of the chinese. i must say the last few years have been particularly hard for
africa because of the commodity environment, the oil price going down to below $40 at various points. but as it has come back to its current levels between $70 and $80 a barrel, the commodity countries, the oil-producing countries in particular, have managed to stabilize, currencies have stabilized. and so the environment for diversification from that stable point and the use of surplus oil funds is now back on the agenda i guess. and the concept of sovereign wealth funds and mineral and industrial diverse ifverse if e indication is very much on the agenda. >> so the brics countries.die d indication is very much on the agenda. >> so the brics countries. how does the united states compare to say china's
commitment to invest in africa? where is the united states in this? >> well, there was a recent visit by the head of the overseas private investment corporation to south africa where they were investing -- looking to invest around a billion dollars in south africa which is positive. but you contrast that against chinese pledge if not actually investment of $14 billion including a $2.5 billion committed loan to the state electricity utility which is much needed at this point. so it feels like the united states certainly over the last decade has upped their focus as government to government on african nations. but china is extremely tilted into the african relationship. and in terms of volume of trade, investment, and commitment they
dwarf the united states at this point. >> last question. are you more optimistic than pessimistic about investment in africa? >> it is certainly something that is attracting global attention. and as we enter into a renewed phase of african growth more toward ss 5%, i think we will sustain that interest. so, yes, i'm optimistic about the if y future for africa. >> we thank you so much. collin coleman of goldman sachs, thank you for giving us your time. yet another powerful media figure is accused of sexual misconduct. details ahead. sexual misconduct this is not a bed.
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doesn't permit an american pastor to return to the united states. andrew brown son andrew brunson is under house arrest. he was arrested in 2016 in a crackdown after the attempted coup in the country. he says he is not guilty of charges including espionage and having terrorist links. now a senior u.s. official says president trump asked israel's prime minister to help secure brunson's release with a prisoner swap. turkey says they never made any kind of deal. >> there was a work group established to address and resolve the outstanding legal issues between the u.s. and turkey regarding both the brunson case and the atilla case, the jailed banker in the united states. so anything negotiated is being done under that working group and there has been no such deal
as was reported in this newspaper. and our understanding is that there is a lack of coordination between the white house and the state department because it seems the white house's remarks came as a surprise. >> the "new yorker" is reporting sexual misconduct allegations against one of the most powerful men in u.s. television. cbs chairman and ceo les moonves. cnn has not independently confirmed the allegations. the article cites incidents of unwanted advances, intimidation and retaliation involving six women. author ronan farrow discussed his story. >> they all continue to fear retaliation. janet jones the writer you mentioned describes him calling her afterwards and threatening her and saying these sort of things that appear to be clichés to us, but obviously coming after a work meeting and after an alleged assault like there are very serious like you'll
never work again. and she and these other women were still frightened to come forward, but said they were doing so because they wanted to good x. po expose the culture that could protect other women if reversed. >> moonves responded saying this, here is a quote, i recognize that there were times decades ago when i may have made some women uncomfortable by making advances. those were mistakes and i regret them immensely. but i always understood and respected and abided by the principle that no means no. and i have never misused my position to harm or hinder anyone's career. cbs' independent board of directors says it will review the claims and take appropriate action. disney and lucas film have announced the cast list for "star wars: episode ix," and it includes a major surprise, but don't worry, it is not jar jar
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she was stolen. they weren't the only victims. rafael romo reports on chile's children of silence in this cnn exclusive. >> reporter: there were no words. only tears of joy. it is the hug that she wishes she could have given her daughter 36 years ago. >> i've been waiting my whole life to find my mother. >> reporter: elyse grew up in the united states with her adoptive parents. she says they were always forthcoming about her adoption and the country she came from. >> the story i was told was that my family had essentially never meant to keep me. >> reporter: but she says she always wondered if she had truly been abandoned as her adoption documents state. she contacted chilean
authorities in february to ask for help in finding her would i logical parentsship she got the answer she was hoping for, they were still alive and very eager to meet her. her biological mother says she never intended to give her up for adoption. >> no, no, no. >> reporter: she says she had a very difficult labor and nearly died. during that time, she, her husband and other members of the family asked employees at the state-run hospital about their daughter, but they never saw her again. they were living under a military dictatorship and the family feared that asking too many questions would put them in
danger. >> with the politics at the time and adoption not being regulated until years after i was adopted, and everyone looking at the social worker who processed my adoption, there are a lot of things -- elements of it that were just incomplete and inconsistent with what i was told. >> reporter: chilean government officials today say there were so many questionable adoptions back then that authorities now have a name for babies like this. they are called children of silence. babies who were taken away from their biological parents in the '70s and '80s in many cases without their consent or knowledge and given to address don adoptive parents. those children now in their 30s and 40s are asking about a skre secret kept from them. cnn has documented several cases
of adoptions like these including that of travis tolliver who was also raised in america and didn't meet his biological mother until he was 41 years old. >> i was wanted, you know. i wasn't given up willingly like i thought for all these years. so that makes my heart feel wonderful. >> reporter: in 2015, chilean authorities named a special prosecutor to begin investigating a list of these so-called irregular adoptions, a list reported to include nearly 600 families. this man heads an organization that helps families find each other and has an even larger list. >> we have 3,000 people that are looking for them. these are adoptive people and families that are looking for babies that were stolen from them. >> reporter: she says during those decades, there were entire mafia stealing babies from
impoverished families to profit from their sale while the government looked the other way or simply ignored victims. >> who is responsible for this? doctors, midwifes and social assistants that were looking for poor people to stole their kids. because we need to understand that these kids were sold. this is not for good will of-this wasn't for a good thing. they were mafia selling babies to outside chile. >> reporter: there were always be unanswered questions. the hospital why elyse was born no longer exists. and the same goes for the adoption agency. for now it doesn't matter. how do you feel right now? >> happy. very happy. >> reporter: her adoptive parents passed away a few years ago, so she says her chilean family and an adopted sister are all she's got. >> my mom, this is my family.
you know, i think it is just -- you always want to know where you came from. >> reporter: neither one of them speaks the other's language, but the love between a mother and her child they say knows no barriers. rafael romo, cnn, santiago, chile. >> at least it has a good independenting. carrie fisher is gone, but her legacy aspirin says turned princess leia has not. she will appear in "star wars: episode ix." the plowers will use outtakes the actress shot during "the force awakens" before her death. this newest installment of the space saga starts filming next week. it is expected to land in our galaxy in december 2019. and you can bet we'll be talking about it until then. the second hour of "newsroom" begins with the top stories right after this.
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>> it's not an order. it's the president's opinion. it's ridiculous all the corruption and dishonesty that's gone on with the launching of the witch hunt, the president has watched this process play out. he also wants to see it come to an end, as he stated many times. we look forward to that happening. he's fighting back. he stated his opinion clearly. he's certainly expressing the frustration he has with the level of corruption we've seen from people like jim comey, peter strzok. theres a reason the president is angry and frankly most of america is angry as well. there's no reason he shouldn't be able to voice that opinion. once again, as i said earlier, the president stating his opinion. it's not an order but he's been, i think, crystal clear about how he feels about this investigation from the beginning. >> you said a moment ago the investigation itself is corrupt, the mueller investigation. you mentioned comey and --
could that tweet in and of itself be obstruction. >> it could. i did a trial we convicted someone of obstruction of justice because he tried to get one witness to change one fact of her testimony. the bar -- >> that's it. >> that's it. the bar for obstruction of justice is low. you don't have to do much. to say let's just burn the whole thing down, which is essentially what the president is saying, is way beyond that. >> how do you, david, skplap what's going on with the white house, what rudy giuliani is saying, first amendment rights, trump can say what he wants on twitter. this isn't an order. it's almost like this white house is trying to manipulate america but america isn't stupid. >> i agree with that. there's something going on here that i don't think we fully understand. >> something deeper. >> something going on inside the white house. i don't know whether they have gotten some new information about the mueller team about what they know. they changed their whole story. first, no conclusion, no conclusion. now the story is, hey, if there was conclusion, it's not a
crime. similarly, they are overreacting to the manafort case. normally in a situation like this the white house goes quiet, the president stands back. he doesn't want to get engaged with a former -- >> why would he react to the manafort trial and say he's being treated unfavorably. >> by saying treated unfavorably he's giving himself a pass for the pardon. he's laying the groundwork for possible pardon. i'm not saying he's going to do it but he wants all his options open. >> if trump this made this request, what we're going back, ellie to the tweet, if he made the request in private, wouldn't mueller be investigating every single witness who might have heard it, any sort of anything, just like they had had those conversations with regard to comey and flynn and what was said and who heard it. >> what's unusual, the president is doing it out loud. that's why mueller is looking at the tweets. people asked, is that fair game? absolutely.
it's a bedrock rule of courtroom procedure. you can use the defendant's own statements against them. twitter is nothing but the president's own unvarnished statements. the key in any obstruction case is intent, what is in the person's mind. one of the things judges tell juries in divining intent science has not given us to look into someone's mind. twitter is close. unusual to do it open but doesn't mean it's not being done. >> it's worth remembering mueller, if they find a crime they are not going to indict. this is not going to a court of law. if there's a question of obstruction as it's played out, it's going to be within the impeachment proceeding. that is going to be a power play. the democrats who by then may be in control of the house, can define obstruction the way they want to and shift and said today
he's seeing it as obstruction. i don't think the kousht of law but within the politics of impeachment. >> april, can we go back to how sarah stands up there today and says the entire investigation is based off this dossier when that is entirely false. >> not true. yeah. you know, thinking about that press briefing, sarah was through the te flustered. she called on a reporter twice. she realized we weren't buying it. the sad piece is they understand they can say these things and 70 to 90% of those who support president trump believe it. they are not actually looking at the issues of the rule of law or issues on the table, they are saying some are believing it. the problem is we have to continue to come back and talk about how russia hacked into the dnc, how russia hacked into the pillar of our democracy. >> how russia is hacking, current day. >> active verb.
>> which she did not mention. >> the president depending on the day is or is not doing. so at issue is they are trying to play this in the court of public opinion by spinning it or even i'm going to use the word and i don't like it, lying to the american public so they can have people believe them and not believe the facts that are on the table from this or justice department or administration before. this is the real issue. it is not a witch hunt, russia started going into our process, sacred process, our elections process. not the dossier. yeah, there's a dossier but started with russian hacking that continues today. >> david gergen, put your self in the shoes of the attorney general on the receiving end of this tweet. listen, there's a heck of a lot of things the president has said about them that he's been like -- he's ignored. do you ignore -- i know the
president's attorneys are saying it wasn't an order. i don't know if you can have orders over twitter. we're in new space. what does sessions do. >> there's not a lot he can do. first of all, he doesn't have authority. he recused himself from the case. he took himself out. for him to shut it down would be in violation of his own voluntary recusal. >> does he understand that? >> he acts as if he doesn't. i think what sessions -- if you're in that situation he wants to save his job whatever pressure the president brings on. is there a way we can hasten the conclusion here. can we get to that point more quickly. he's got to be careful because he can't consult rosenstein on this as far as i can tell. if he's recused, he's recused. >> people have asked is there such a thing as unrecusal? not that i've heard of. jeff sessions it's incredible to
see the president in the course of two tweets, peter strzok sent tests, should have recused himself but jeff sessions who dealt with russian directly, part of the campaign, he should unrecuse himself some who you. >> good point. >> thank you. we have more on this coming up. day two of paul manafort trial. already a huge surprise. the prosecution's star witness rick gates may not testify. hear why. and a cnn exclusive robert mueller handing off several of his cases to new york federal prosecutors. what this could say about the russia investigation. and president trump escalates the trade war saying u.s. farmers hit by tariffs, quote, can take it. we'll talk to an iowa soybean farmer coming up. you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin.
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back to cnn. paul manafort day two, accused of hiding millions of dollars to fund his extravagant lifestyle. the trial a test for special counsel robert mueller's team facing a jury for the first time. prosecutors a little manafort committed bank and tax fraud, millions rallying for politicians in ukraine. he said he spent it on lavish items like a custom $15,000 jacket made from an ostrich, a $21,000 watch. and court documents indicate manafort spent nearly $850,000 at one men's clothing store in manhattan over this six-year period. manafort's defense team unveiling strategy, shift the
blame to rick gates, manafort's longtime associate and prosecution's star witness. let's get to jessica schneider covering the trial for us. let's start with rick gates. they talk about him in opening statements and now he might not testify. >> that's the possibility prosecutors put out there earlier today. really it's probably not sitting well with manafort's defense team. as you mentioned, the strategy they laid out on day one of the trial it pins it largely on rick gates. they called him an embezzler. they said he flipped on manafort to save himself. here is how it went down and interpret it how you will. the prosecutor was actually questioning an fbi agent who is part of that raid on manafort's condo last summer. the agent referenced a document found inside the home. it was called gates agenda. the judge, t.s. ellis, who has been very involved in this stopped the proceedings and said if you're going to call mr. gates, this is a waste of time.
obviously it said gates agenda. it gets interesting. the prosecutor responded, he may testify in this case, he may t not. that sent a shock wave through the courtroom. it is the prosecutor's prerogative who they call in this case. the defense team, they may have showed their hand too soon saying they plan to lay the blame on gates. even though he is one of the witnesses of 35 people on the prosecution, the prosecution is not bound to call everyone on the list. who knows, they may decide not to call him. the big question, will they or won't they. >> that's a question mark. what about the whole notion the judge today, we ran through extravagant items manafort bought like this ostrich jacket. the judge said mr. manafort is not on trial for having a lavish lifestyle. explain the judge's decision making. >> t.s. ellis is cracking the whip in court.
the prosecution want to exemplify paul manafort's lifestyle. they want to do it in large part by showing some of the pictures of his clothing, showing the watch he bought, showing all of his expensive suits. the judge is trying it restrict some of the evidence here. he's not letting in some of these photographs. brooke, what the prosecution is doing right now on the stand as we speak is 29-year-old maximilian katzmann, he works at his father's high-end clothing store in new york city, they are using him to talk about manafort's lavish lifestyle. they say manafort was one of their top five clients in this store. we know from prosecutors he spent hundreds of thousands on luxury clothing. perhaps without some of these pictures, which might be more interesting for the jury, they are looking to get the evidence in through the latest witness, the 29-year-old who is going to talk about how much manafort spent. >> jessica, thank you so much.
on the manafort trial today turning now to another development in the russia investigation, cnn has learned that robert mueller has handed off several cases to new york federal prosecutors according to people familiar with the matter. prosecutors are looking at several high-profile american lobbyists and operatives to determine if they failed to register their work as foreign agents. with me, erica with the scoop, she has the story. erica, tell me about the referrals. >> sure. we know the referrals happened in the spring by robert mueller, u.s. attorneys office for southern district of new york. looking at whether longtime lobbyist tony podesta and his firm, the podesta group as well as former congressman ben webber and his firm mercury public affairs and greg craig, who is the former obama white house counsel and also formally with this law firm performed work on
behalf of the ukrainian government without registering as foreign agents, which is a step that's required by federal law. >> tell me why this is so significant. >> sure. i should note that some of them have said that they did not form that registration because they were misled by intermedaries who were involved in the work. the significance of the referrals is that there's been an expectation as the mueller investigation has progressed that if mueller or the special counsel team came across work or investigative threads that weren't central to the question of whether trump campaign colluded with the russian government that he would then -- the special council team might then farm them out or refer those cases out in part to protect against the idea they had gone beyond the scope of what they had been assigned to do or why the special counsel team was convened. >> big news. erica, thank you for breaking
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buildup of iranian activity in the persian gulf, strait of hormuz. barbara, what's going on. >> reporter: military keeping a laser focus on the strait of hormuz, what they are seeing is a buildup of iranian formula one from military wing of islamic military, islamic military guard corps. they are seeing perhaps more th than, boats, they believe irc is ready to conduct a major military exercise in the area of the straight of hormuz as soon as 24 hours from now. that is what the intelligence is showing. that's enough of a concern.
this is taking place right now. usual had i they conduct these exercises much later in the year. as you pointed out rhetoric between u.s. and tehran at an all-time high. the wing of the iranian military vocal about the u.s. in recent days. president trump very vocal. so there's a good deal of concern about this exercise. in fact, how concerned? the u.s. central command, which oversees that region, took the extraordinary step a short time ago of giving us an actual on the record statement. they don't really do that. let me read to you what captain bill urban, the chief spokesman told cnn. we are aware of the increase in iranian naval operations within the arabian gulf, strait of hormuz and gulf of oman. we are monitoring it closely and will continue to work with our partners to ensure freedom of navigation and free flow of
commerce in international waters. you can take that statement to be a message from the u.s. military back to the iranian military, we're watching, we're seeing what you're doing. do not mess with international oil trade. brooke. >> happening in the next 48 hours. barbara starr, i know you'll be watching it closely. we'll talk again. thank you so much. just ahead here, president trump escalating the trade war, proposing a tariff hike on $200 billion in chinese goods. this as he said at that rally last night speaking to farmers, who had been really hit by these tariffs, they can take it. what i want to ask is can they? an iowa soybean farmer joins me next. liberty mutual saved us almost $800 when we switched our auto and home insurance. with liberty, we could afford a real babysitter
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10% to 25%. president trump, you know, listen he bragged about a soaring u.s. stock market, economy has been solid, low unemployment rates at that rally in tampa. american farmers lost access to foreign markets because of this trade war and the president stood up there last night and praised our nation's farmers, called them patriots after announcing $12 million bailout for a lot of farmers hit by retaliatory tariffs from china. >> i want to thank our farmers. our farmers are true patriots, because china and others have targeted -- china and others, remember this, have targeted our farmers. not good. not nice. you know what our farmers are saying? it's okay. we can take it. these are incredible people. we can take it.
>> let's ask a former, iba soybean farmer with me from iowa. mark, you heard the president saying american farmers, you guys can take it. can you take it? >> i think agriculture is in a very strong position. five years ago we had some of the record historic high prices, whether on soybeans. that has carried through a lot in the situation. we have to understand since 2012, 2013, prices have declined virtually 50% to where we are today. i think agriculture is a very resilient industry, unique within itself. i am personally a fifth generation farmer living in this county. i have a brother and a son i farm with. so is it a good situation dealing with trade wars, history has shown us it's always a struggle. what we need to do is move
forward in positive structure where we work together to resolve this situation. >> all right. so i hear you historically, yes, a struggle. everyone wants to jump in and work forward. when we were looking how strong gdp was and how farmers have been stockpiling i'm curious, soybean experts rose 3% annualized in q2 as companies were racing to beat tariffs. i'm curious, mark, did you, did your family stockpile soybeans ahead of the tariffs? >> stockpile is not the right terminology. most farmers have the ability to carry their crops from year to year in storage, allowing us to sell at the most timely and profitable margin. for myself personally i have sold my 2017 crop prior to planting it almost a year ago. so a lot of the profit was in the markets using chicago trade
as future source to price with. a lot of my friends and neighbors have sold at a profit. i pretty much have or better my 2018 crop sold in advance as well. not so much to beat the deadline of the tariff struggle but i think it was just the normal process that farmers typically use year to year. >> are you supportive of what the president is doing? we talked to a lot -- i talked to a pork farmer last week about this whole $15 billion bailout for a lot of farmers who have needed it. are you in support of the president and do you have any concerns that he's fighting this on multiple front? are you worried about this hitting you long-term? >> yeah. everyone is concerned as far as the direction it's going now, as far as whether we support the president or not, it's a matter that the hand has been dealt. i think at this point in time
let's look at the bigger picture that china is -- they are abusing the intellectual property rights. there are a lot of factors involved here. soubs are just $14 billion element in $300 billion plus maneuver here. so i think from that respect, we are probably the biggest target because we are the smallest population given that 99% of the people in the united states do not farm. >> but let me jump in quickly, the last question, you say the hand you've been dealt. the hand of this president. do you support this president and what he's doing? >> at this point in time, yes, i definitely support what he's doing. i think moving forward for a long-term solution to a better agriculture, i think that effort is there. there's only one source of food in this world and that's the farmer producing it. nearly half, 43% of the soybeans grown in this world are produced in the united states.
so china needs souybeans, they o need ours. it's just a matter of the final price we received. >> we're grateful for you, we need you. mark jackson, thanks for talking to me. >> thank you for the opportunity. >> you got it. right now the remains believed to be that of 55 u.s. service members killed in the korean war are finally on their way home. but for many more families of p.o.w.s, they have no idea what happened to their loved ones. coming up next the son of one of those service members who was just 2 years old when his father was captured joins me live. hopes you drive safely.facty but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost. unfortunately, it can't do anything about that. now that you know the truth...
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55 flag draped caskets believed to contain the remains of u.s. service members killed in the korean war are finally on their way home. vice president mike pence will be there to receive the remains as they touch down later in hawaii. he will take part in a special ceremony before those remains are set to undergo further analysis and identification. the north korean government providing only a single dog tag to help identify the fallen. a process, according to the defense department, could take not just months but years. >> they are quite a lot. in fact, one of the largest unilateral turnovers we've ever received. >> we can't just assume any particular item such as a dog tag goes with any particular set of remains. we do hope that the individual whose dog tag that is is somewhere amongst these remains we're taking back.
>> it is a moment of hope 65 years in the making for these gold star family. the pentagon says more than 7800 american personnel are still unaccounted for. and the kim regime has still never explained what happened to many prisoners of war. one of those service men's is major samuel p. logan. this is video from what is believed to be his capture way back in september of 1950 after his aircraft was shot down. it is one of the only shreds of detail that the logan family has to explain what happened to him. major logan's son, mike, was just 2 years old when his father was captured. he's good enough to join me today to share more of his story. mr. logan, thank you for being with me. we're so grateful to your father and his service to this country. >> thank you, brooke. thank you on behalf of all the
gold star family and family of p.o.w.s and m.i.a.s in increase. >> you and your family have fought really hard for answers about your father's capture. tell me what you believe happened to your dad. >> because of the video evidence and information released russians and soviet union, we've always believed because of who he was, what he was, b29 pilot, his intelligence was very valuable to the soviet union and not really to much to the north koreans, so he was probably shipped through china to the soviet union for interrogation. he probably died there in a prisoner of war camp. they never would admit they had him, neither would the north koreans, for that matter. >> i had read that your grandmother, she was 91 years of age when she passed away without
knowing and still wondering if her son might still walk back in that door. what do you remember about that? >> well, actually my grandmother was 98 years old. >> forgive me, 98. >> my mother was 91 years of age. they fought hard to find out what happened to their husband and son. it really -- my grandmother was just a real tyrant to press the government for information. but it wasn't until 1954 that she and a band of fellow p.o.w. mothers went to washington and demanded that the files be released and the information be turned over to them. it was only then that she found out that he was not an m.i.a. but, in fact, a p.o.w. and they had a lot of flchlation about that. >> so can you just talk to me about that. is it frustration, sadness, anger toward even the u.s.
government that he has not been viewed in their eyes properly as a p.o.w.? >> i wouldn't say it was anger, but it definitely was frustration. his whereabouts were never released or the knowledge they had about his whereabouts was never released to us, or to anyone for that matter. it was a real battle to get that information. i don't think they really wanted to continue it, because the war was over. it was costing a lot of money to pursue it. i think truman, president at the time, and eisenhower thereafter, had other fish to fry, so to speak, and really wanted to move on from that issue. >> now, mr. logan, the story today is that north korea has said there are about 200 remains that they could return. just a fraction of the number of
americans who are unaccounted for. they reported they provided this one dog tag among these remains. do you have any doubt, first and foremost, that north korea is finally making good on its promise, that the remains in those caskets are, indeed, the remains of the american military? >> i have every doubt those remains are of american military. this is not the first time they turned over remains. there were all kinds of things in those remains. they even allowed us years and years ago before nuclear proliferation to go to sites and dig only to find out those sites were salted with remains just to collect money and, you know, to get the money the united states would pay them to allow them to come and look for remains. so i don't trust them at all. >> you don't trust them at all. there are a lot of gold star families praising president trump for going all the way to singapore and meeting with kim
jong-un. i just want to know how you felt, not having these answers for 68 years, and watching this moment where you see the president shake hands with kim. how do you feel about that? >> i think it's great. i appreciate his efforts and those of his staff, mike pompeo and others to meet with him. otherwise what has been done with the 55 would never have been done. any chance of getting any more would never have been done. so i really appreciate president trump and his staff for their efforts in this issue. >> are you hopeful that your father's remains will ever be found? >> sure. i'm hopeful, but very doubtful. i don't think he's in north korea. i don't think he's ever been in north korea since the late 1950s. i think he's been in russia since probably december, january of 1950. >> mike logan, thank you.
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president. we are watching this outburst on his twitter feed as trump launches his most aggressive attack yet against the russia investigation telling his attorney general jeff sessions to end the investigation right now. i'll read the tweet for you. this is a key piece. attorney general jeff sessions should stop this rigged witch hunt right now before it continues to stain our country any further. it should be noted, however, that the sessions has recused him from all russia related matter and it is rod rosenstein overseeing this entire thing. the president's direct attack on his own attorney general comes despite his aides say they aren't worried about the trial under way of former campaign chairman paul manafort. here is what the white house said today. >> it's not an order. it's the president's opinion and it's ridiculous that all of the corruption and dishonesty that's gone on with the launching of the witch hunt the president has watched this process play out but he also wants to see it come
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happy friday. august 24th. 4:00 a.m. in the east and 10:00 p.m. in hawaii. we start with hurricane lane on final approach to hawaii. it is now category three. officials are warning the storm is a significant rainmaker. more than 19 inches fell on the big island. governor david ige says some parts of the island could take 30 inches of rain. the outer bands of the hurricane already causing flooding. there is a voluntary evacuation order near hilo. the scenic river turned into a raging torrent. >> emergency sirens blaring in honolulu. it has pre-staged water and food around the islands. the weather service downgraded
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that as well as the concern for ports? hawaii very reliant on the sea imports. >> as for the shelters, we have 35 shelters open right now or throughout the island. we have five open on the big island. seven on maui and 20 on oahu. the local and county emergency managers assess the conditions that are going on and look at the impact and they open up the shelters at that level. they meet the needs of those that need them at that time. so i think that as an overall perspective, we are doing a decent job and meet the needs of sheltering based on the storm conditions. as the storm conditions change, more shelter opportunities will be available. >> luke meyers, nice to hear from you this morning or evening for you in honolulu.
graham and grassley are talking about a future where jeff sessions is not attorney general. listen to graham on capitol hill. >> the president's entitled to an attorney general he has faith in. somebody qualified for the job. i think there will come a time, sooner rather than later, where it will be time to have a new face and fresh voice at the department of justice. clearly attorney general sessions doesn't have the competence of the president. >> reporter: right now, jeff sessions future will continue to hang in the balance. dave and christine. >> kaitlan collins, thank you. it is going to be an interesting few days for congress member duncan hunter. he and his wife indicted for alleged fraud and he seemed to throw her under the bus. >> she handled my appointments throughout my military career. that continued on when i got in congress. my name is jeff sheldon,
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all right. don't get too excited about the creative work around s to keep your state and local tax deductions. working on a loophole to help taxpayers avoid a cap on state and local tax deductions. that was the controversy part of the gop tax law. once unlimited, the so-called salt deduction is capped at $10,000. that harms high tax states which are mostly blue states. several blue states are suing the trump administration. they claim the law unfairly targets democratic states. the same states passed laws to work around the cap. allowing taxpayers to make charitable contributions in terms of a tax credit. the treasury secretary steve mnuchin said congress limited a
deduction that quote benefit the high income earners to pay for tax cuts for american families. he said the tax deduction thing benefitted rich people. deductions reduce your overall tax bill. in new york, the cap could increase taxes by $14 billion this year. new york governor cuomo calls it a political attempt to hurt democratic states. he promised to fight this treasury rule. california republican congress member duncan hunter and his wife pleading not guilty in federal court thursday at the charges they illegally used $250,000 in campaign funds to furnish their lifestyle. hunter seemed to point the finger at his wife on fox news last night. >> i went to iraq in 2003, the first time i gave her power of attorney. she handled finances throughout my military career. that continued on when i got in congress. she was the campaign manager.
whatever she did. that will be looked at, i'm sure. i didn't do it. >>. -- i didn't do it. >> the couple is accused of spending campaign finances on large and small purchases. $14,000 on a vacation to italy. and then a flight for a family rabb rabbit. caught on video, police in texas engage a woman about to jump off a bridge. >> what's your name? >> it doesn't matter. >> it does matter. >> we will show you what happens next.
secretary of state mike pompeo is going back to north korea next week. he will be joined by steven beagan. new representative to north korea. he is a former representative at ford and senior staff member to then national security adviser condoleezza rice. there are no plans for meeting with kim jong-un. talk was the two country -- talks with the two countries have stalled over denuclearization. the two-person runoff in georgia will appear to shutdown several of the nine polling places. critics call it a move to suppress black voters in a critical election that could result in stacy abrams to become the first black governor. supporters say the move will
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happening now. hurricane lane battering parts of hawaii with strong winds and rain. the forecast straight ahead. another ally appears to have broken with the president. the executive who helped kill the story about the president's affairs before the election is cooperating with investigators. and the predominately black georgia county could close most of its polling places before the midterms. critics say it is being done to muzzle the minority vote with a black woman making a historic run for governor. welcome back. i'm dave briggs. >> i'm christine romans. it is 30 minutes past the hour on friday morning. let's start in hawaii. hurricane lane on the final approach in hawaii. this is now a category three. officials are warning the residents this storm is a significant rainmaker. more than 19 inches fell on the
northeastern section of the island. governor david ige says they could get up to 30 inches and waves up to 20 feet high. there is now a voluntary evacuation order near hilo. the normally scenic river here turning into a torrent. [ siren ] >> emergency sirens blaring yesterday. fema has generators and other supplies across the island. the island received a tropical storm warning. for the latest. we are joined by meteorologist ivan cabrera in the cnn weather center this morning. ivan, what should they expect? >> a horrible night. good morning, dave. it is now half past 4:00 a.m. in the east coast.
night has fallen in hawaii. a very long night and very long day. this is quite an event. it is under way. despite the center of the storm is 200 miles south of honolulu and south of the big island. you mentioned the incredible amounts of rain which turned rivers no torrents -- rivers into torrents. at one point it was a cat five. we are going to have strong winds eventually. it is the rain ahead of the system that is causing the problems. we picked up almost 2 feet of rainfall in the parts of the big island in the last 24-to-48 hours. we will see that as a problem here as the rain falls on the mountain side and will continue to come down the mountains and speed up and go through the valleys. here is the radar. the center of the storm. the rain ahead of it to the north and east. hurricane warnings still flying for the middle islands here. tropical storm warning for the
big island. really don't let your guard down. this went from hurricane warning to a tropical storm warning. that means the hurricane winds will not make it there. the rains will make it there. they have been and that is going to be the big threat. the current winds. the highs here with the center of the storm. 28-mile-an-hour winds in honolulu. it is gusting at 37. that will become higher today and tomorrow. the rain will be the big story here and the legacy of the storm. look at this. this is 1 inch an hour. that is what we are looking at with the easterly wind. the radar is broken on the west side of the island. they are adding lift with the rain and yyou squeeze every dro of moisture. you get 17 plus inches in hilo in 24 hours. over 22 inches to the south. those are the kinds of rains we will talk about as the warm moist air goes up the mountain and cools and condenses and
comes down in a you are i. my concern -- down in a hurry. my concern is the valleys with the flooding. we are also going to deep with storm surge as well. saltwater flooding as well. we will get hit on both sides here. it will be a long event. by saturday at 8:00 p.m., the storm is south of the island. >> ivan, thank you. from honolulu, here is luke meyers. the officer for the executive office of emergency management agency. >> we want the public to be r ready and on guard. we ask them to be ready for two weeks at minimum. as the storm is coming in, everyone is watching the forecast models. we say don't get too concerned about that. we are looking at tropical storm or hurricane-force winds or
potentially a lot of flooding. urban flooding potentially. as the storms makes the approach to maui and oahu, we may have coastal flooding or storm surge. we are telling the public to stay tuned to the national hurricane center and national weather service and officials at the county level and take action. we prefer them to shelter in place. if they feel safe, if they feel unsafe, and they feel like their home is threatened. they can try to find a shelter. >> 35 shelters are open across the islands for those who need them. another key figure in the effort to squelch trump figures is now cooperating. the wall street journal reporting david pecker, publisher of "the national enquirer" has been granted immunity. he told prosecutors mr. trump
knew about payments with the women who had sexual encounters with him. >> david pecker said he and michael cohen worked together for the $150,000 payment to karen mcdougal. american media was supposedly buying the rights to her story, but buried the story instead in a tabloid tactic called catch and kill. >> in an interview with fox news, the president lashed out at former allies who turned on him like michael cohen. >> everything is wonderful. then they get ten years in jail and they flip on the next highest one. it almost ought to be outlawed. >> the associated press reports the national enquirer is known to have kept a safe with hush money and damaging stories. >> a according to " -- ago to"
the new york -- according to "the new york times" prosecutors want to know how the president accounted for reimbursement of michael cohen to the payment of daniels dwae daniels. federal prosecutors say cohen did know legal work in connection with the matter. the da review is said to be in the early stages. no comment from the trump organization. attorney general jeff sessions has apparently had enough of attacks by president trump. a.g. pushing back after the president lashed out saying sessions failed to take control of the justice department. the president slammed the a.g. regularly for more than a year since sessions recused himself from the russia investigation. >> he took the job and then he said i'm going to recuse myself. i said what kind of a man is this. the only reason i gave him the job is i felt loyalty. he was an original supporter.
>> we have cnn's kaitlan collins at the white house with reaction from sessions and other top gop lawmakers. >> dave and christine, we are seeing the feud with president trump and attorney general jeff sessions intensify after president trump said he never thought sessions actually took control of the justice department despite being attorney general for a year and a half now. it is not unusual for the president to criticize sessions since he recused himself from the russia investigation. what is rare is that sessions fired back at his time saying the department of justice won't be swayed by politics. in a statement he said i took control of the department of justice the day i was sworn in. later on in that statement, he says while i am attorney general, the actions of the department of justice will not be improperly influenced by political considerations. although jeff sessions and the president have been at odds for some time now, what has changed is two leading senate republicans, graham and
grassley, are now talking about a future where jeff sessions is not the attorney general. listen to what senator graham had to say on capitol hill. >> the president's entitled to an attorney general he has faith in. somebody qualified for the job. i think there will come a time, sooner rather than later, where it will be time to have a new face and fresh voice at the department of justice. clearly attorney general sessions doesn't have the competence of the president. >> reporter: right now, jeff sessions' future will continue to hang in the balance. dave and christine. >> kaitlan collins, thank you. >> the attorney general was at the white house yesterday for a meeting on criminal justice reform. we learned that the criminal justice overhaul has been tabled until after the midterms. this has been pushed by the bipartisan lawmakers and jared kushner. the senator has a problem with the sentencing revisions and wants to revisit the issue after
november. sources tell cnn the trump/sessions feud was not addressed at the meeting sdplchmeeting. >> the president bullies this man repeatedly on twitter and face-to-face, nothing. interesting dynamic. interesting few days for congress member duncan hunter and his wife. they are indicted for alleged fraud. he seemed to throw her straight under the bus. >> she handled my finances throughout my entire military career and that continued on when i got in congress. it senses your movement and automatically adjusts to keep you both comfortable. and now, all beds are on sale. save 50% on the new sleep number 360 limited edition smart bed. plus, free home delivery. ends saturday.
thinking, you would see -- you would see numbers that you would not believe in reverse. >> the president of the united states is essentially declaring he is the stock market. let's take a less hyperbolic look. impeachment would cause a concern, but a crash? resilient riding the longest bull market ever. the economy is strong. corporate profits are booming thanks to the tax cuts. if trump were impeached and had to leave office, impeachment does not necessarily guarantee that. they may drop his trade war which wall street would love. if the market did crash, would americans be poor? no. half of americans are invested in the stock market. many of those are wealthy and super wealthy. the top 10% of earners, the
value of stock holdings is 1.4 million. the bottom 50% is $52,000. a stock crash. how would that affect those people who don't have money in the stock market? >> political reality. the senate will not impeach the president. it is in republican hands and will remain so. mike pence f , if he is the president, more conservative. you take out the trade war. the stock market climbed 27% after clinton was impeached. >> interesting parallel. that was a time of strong economy. very strong economy. all of this political chaos. i talk to people who are traders and new york stock exchange. they say the political chaos is factored in here. now it is about interest rates and earnings and trade. >> let us know what you think about this @earlystart on twitter.
california republican congress member duncan hunter and his wife pleading not guilty in federal court thursday at the charges they illegally used $250,000 in campaign funds to furnish their lifestyle. hunter seemed to point the finger at his wife on fox news last night. >> i went to iraq in 2003, the first time i gave her power of attorney. she handled finances throughout my military career. that continued on when i got in congress. she was the campaign manager. whatever she did. that will be looked at, i'm sure. i didn't do it. >> interesting dinner conversation. no response from hunter's wife, mag get. they are -- margaret. they are accused of spending $14,000 for family vacation to italy and $3,300 in fast food like in-n-out. >> i was surprised to see how often their bank account was overdrawn. >> $37,000 in overdraft fees.
48 minutes past the hour. pope heads to ireland this weekend and there is plenty to atone for. what can he say to catholic victims of abuse in the church? we are live in dublin. it's great when you see a hundred orders come in, a hundred orders come in, but then you realize i've got a hundred orders i have to ship out. shipstation streamlined that wh the order data, the weights of , everything is seamlessly put into shipstation, so when we print the shipping ll everything's pretty much done. it's so much easier so now, we're ready, bring on t. shipstation. the number one ch of online sellers. go to shipstation.com/tv and get two months free.
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he visits ireland. a grand jury report revealed over 1,000 children have been abused over decades of 300 priests. he plans to meet with abuse survivors in dublin. let's go to phil in dublin. >> reporter: good morning, dave. too many people are suffering because of abuse in the church here. the pennsylvania report added to the expectation that the pope must move to finally mix thfix . the time of sorrowful apologies has passed. there is no polite, easy way to explain what happened to darren mcgavin on the grounds of the church. >> he put me over the table and had the vestments, ropes of the
vestmente es -- vestments. he began to rape me. >> reporter: he was abused for years by tony walsh. one of the most notorious pedophile priests. >> i was raped with a cruicifix. >> reporter: abuse and trauma. >> i'm 46 years of age and medicated since i was 12. 12 years of age. so -- when will it stop? when is it going to stop? i don't know. >> reporter: this is just one victim's story in a country deeply wounded by the horrific legacy of priests abusing vast numbers of children and often getting away with it. it will be the defining issue
for pope francis when he visits once proudly catholic ireland. >> do this in memory of me. >> reporter: where churches are now largely empty and the institution is struggling for purpose and credibility. >> i went to hospital when i was 12 and i was sexually assaulted by the catholic chaplain. >> reporter: mary collins has become a powerful voice for reforming the church culture. last year, she walked away from the vatican panel advising pope francis because nothing changed. she wasn't satisfied with his recent written apology. >> we have the pope the other day with a strong letter. a lot of it is good. he still says we're working on finding a way to hold people accountable. we're decades on. you can't still be working on it. >> reporter: darren wanted to show us another painful location. in phoenix park, where pope francis will say mass, he takes
us to a dark gully. >> he lay me down on the mattress. >> reporter: another place he was raped by a priest he once trust trusted. >> i didn't even get a sorry. he didn't say sorry. >> reporter: darren and other victims say apologies are important, but from the pope, they want firm policies to ensure no one suffers like this again. the victims' demands are reasonable. suspected reporting of abuse and zero tolerance across the catholic church. anything else they say will be viewed as a failure by the pope to fix this. dave. >> you are right. time for accountability. great reporting, phil black. appreciate it live in dublin. 57 minutes past the hour. a check on money. trade fears shaking wall street. the u.s. slapped tariffs on $16
billion in chinese goods yesterday. beijing retaliated dollar for dollar. u.s. stocks fell. caterpillar and boeing the largest affected. jerome powell will speak and may give clues about interest rate hikes. global stocks right now are higher. the ceos of the biggest econo companies have a warning. pepsi and apple and jpmorgan chase and ibm write the confusion about the immigration policy undermines growth and competitiveness. particularly for visas for highly skilled workers in science, technology and engineering and math. it is a bad time for companies to lose those workers. and sony's robot dog headed to the u.s.
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island. a slide at one of the major roads across the island and some voluntary evacuations in hilon. this particular location, we had -- hilo. in this particular location, we had six or seven hours of rain dumping down. crickets. the rain has stopped. the wind. there is almost none now. we are waiting for the next band if it comes from the hurricane. many other islands of hawaii remain under hurricane warning right now. the big question is honolulu and oahu. the island with honolulu county. population is 400,000. how close will lane come to it and how will people fare there? they are concerned of flooding in honolulu. easier to deal with it on the big island where they are accustomed to rain. honolulu is not looking forward to this and people battening down the hatches there. back to you. >> miguel marquez live for us in
pahala. thank you. a new advisory from the national weather service. for the latest on that, we are joined by meteorologist ivan cabrera in the cnn weather center. >> basically it is still a powerful hurricane. the track has slightly shifted here. i'll show you that in a second. still 120-mile-an-hour winds. still a category three storm. look at the movement. it is walking toward the islands here north at 6 miles an hour. that is a huge problem because of the amount of rain. some areas across the big island have picked up two feet of rainfall and miguel, my friend, you will get more rain. 3 to 6 inches. the lull you are experienced on the big island will not last. here is the latest track. the shift here. it moves and it will continue getting very, very close. by the time we get to friday, 8:00 p.m. local, hurricane force winds will approach the island. we could gust over 75 miles an
hour easy. it makes the track to the west. all the while dumping incredible amount of rain. because of the topography, incredib incredible rainfall. we have oahu and honolulu with a hurricane warning and a watch for kauai. we will see more effects down the pike. we have one blob. the center of the storm. the eye right there. look at the rainfall that has fallen across the islands. again, as a result of the mountainous terrain, we will see heavy rain. look at the winds. this is still not a factor. 20-to-40-mile-an-hour wind gusts. the winds will play a factor and we are talking torrential rain which could put down mudslides and landslides. you saw the torrent. up to 20 inches of rain and more to come. guys. >> you can't help but wonder how
many are trying to surf. they warn of life-threatening surf. thank you for the warnings. i appreciate it. ahead, it will be an interesting couple of day in the congress -- couple of days in the congress member duncan hunter household. he seems to throw her straight under the bus here. >> she handled my finances throughout my entire military career and it continued when i got to congress. ♪ as moms, we send our kids out into the world, full of hope. and we don't want something like meningitis b getting in their way. meningococcal group b disease, or meningitis b, is real. bexsero is a vaccine to help prevent meningitis b in 10-25 year olds. even if meningitis b is uncommon,
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several states. several blue states are suing. new york, connecticut, new jersey. those same states passed laws to work around the cap allowing taxpayers to make charitable contributions in lieu of state taxes. a treasury rule blocks that scenario. treasury secretary steve mnuchin says it could help pay for tax cuts for families. in high tax states like new york, the cap could increase by $14 billion this year. governor comuomo calls it a fig over the treasury rule. interesting few days for congress member duncan hunter and his wife. they are indicted for alleged fraud.
using $250,000 of campaign finances to pay for a lauvish lifestyle. he seemed to throw her straight under the bus. >> she handled my finances throughout my entire military career and that continued on when i got in congress. she was also the campaign manager. bha whatever she did, that will be looked at, too. but i did not do it. >> interesting breakfast c conversation this morning. no word from his wife margaret. they were accused of spending $14,000 on a vacation to italy. the two-person board of elections in randolph county, georgia, will vote on a proposal to shutdown seven of nine polling places. critics see this as a move to shutdown black voter polling places. supporters in the rural county says it saves money and claim
the seven targeted locations do not comply with the americans with disabilities act. preliminary autopsy report on mollie tibbetts shows her death was by multiple sharp force injuries. her body was found tuesday buried under corn stalks. an undocumented 24-year-old immigrant from mexico charged with her murder. her funeral scheduled for sunday. heart pounding video from texas. the woman standing on the edge of the overpass. the officers inch slowly toward her. watch what happens next. >> my body wants me dead. >> no one wants that. >> they do. >> nobody wants that.
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let's talk sports. browns. eagles fans. did not have much to cheer about in the preseason game last night. >> we are cheering because lindsay czarniak is here for the bleacher report. >> football season almost here. we're excited for that. >> the third game of the preseason. it is also the most exciting because it is basically considered a dress rehearsal for the regular season. the most interesting thing that happened last night was before the game started, you remember the eagles when they had to win the super bowl with back-up quarterback nick foles. carson wentz did not play, but worked out pre-game. he is about ready to get out there. he was moving around on the surgically repaired knee that kept him out last season. philly fans hope he is ready for week one or maybe another super
bowl run? >> i think so. >> okay. a scary moment for browns starting quarterback tyrod taylor. he injured his wrist when he fell out of bounds. he left the game, but returned. he is said to go through more tests today. the team is confident he is good to go. cleveland's back-up quarterback did not do better. baker mayfield. he left after colliding with a teammate. he was checked for concussion. he was cleared to return. he never went back in. cleveland wins the game, ugly game as you call it. it is preseason. to baseball. acuna needs to wrap himself in bubble wrap before playing the marlins. the first meeting since urena earned a six-game suspension for
plunking him on the first pitch. he got hit again. acuna is upset, but not hurt. the braves go on to win 5-0. finally, this was a special momen moment for one walk-on player. a few extra scholarships and one should go to the defensive back jamarquis durst. look at the reaction from his teammates. >> i'm not supposed to be here. people wrote me off. i'm so thankful for this and everybody in here. all of the love you show me every day. >> you can see him getting emotional and how much it means to him. durst started off at a division ii school and transferred to the
longhorns. you heard him say no one thought he should make it this far. what a story. >> it feels like such a business. college sports. that reminds you it is still -- >> wait until you get to the nfl. >> that is outstanding. good stuff. have a great weekend. the president suggested it should be illegal for allies to flip. and hurricane lane unleashing an epic downpour on parts of hawaii. up to 30 inches expected. we are live on the big island next. pah! that will never work.
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hurricane lane battering parts of hawaii with strong winds and rain. we have the latest track and a live report from the big island. and predominately black georgia county could close most of the polling places before the midterms. critics say this is just being done to muzzle the minority vote with a black woman making an historic run for georgia governor. welcome back to "early start." i'm christine romans. >> i'm dave briggs. 5:31 eastern time. 11:31 p.m. in hawaii. we have a live report straight ahead. we start with that headline. another key figure in the effort to squelch trump scandals is now cooperating with investigators. david pecker, head of american media and publisher of "the national enquirer." he knew of payments to buy the
silence of women who had ev encounters with the president. >> cohen and pecker worked to deal with the damaging claims. that includes the $150,000 payment to karen mcdougal. american media was supposedly buying the rights to her story, but buried the story instead. a tabloid tactic called catch and kill. >> in an interview with fox news, the president lashed out at former allies who turned on him. >> everything is wonderful and then they get ten years in jail and they flip on whoever the next highest one is or as high as you can go. it almost ought to be outlawed. it is not fair. >> the associated press reported that "the national inquieveinqe kept a safe of the stories it killed with the hush money
payments. >> we have our political reporter with us this morning. rachel, how big is donald trump's pecker problem this morning? >> ginormous. when michael cohen said the president directed him to payoff the women to influence the election, the president and allies brushed him off and said listen, this guy had his own legal exposure. he was trying to flip and turn trump in and make something up to get himself off the hook. this is different. this is another person that has a long-time history with the president who didn't have legal exposure. if david pecker is coming out right now and telling prosecutors that trump knew what was going on, this is damaging for the president. >> that is the key there. did donald trump -- is he going to cooperate with michael cohen? >> some say the pecker problem is small because campaign finance violations -- what? i wasn't making a joke. rarely prosecuted in court.
let's talk about jeff sessions. attorney general. what an extraordinary turn of events. the president has bullied him for better than a year. and yesterday, sessions with rare push back. fighting back against the president. then lindsey graham says this about the future for jeff sessions surviving in the trump administration last night on fox. >> jeff did the right thing legally, but mueller is now very deep into this investigation. this conflict is far beyond mueller and recusarecusal. there is not a good, healthy working relationship from what i can tell. for the good of the nation, i think we need an attorney general that has the confidence of the president and i'm not blaming jeff sessions. >> okay. that is interesting words from lindsey graham. the president is known for two words. you're fired.
is lindsey graham giving him a nudge? >> he hasn't said them because republicans on the hill have been telling him do not fire jeff sessions. the wall of protection around sessions we have seen for the past year is starting to crumble. we are on the hill -- we were on the hill yesterday talking to senators. basically, you heard from lindsey graham. there are others that think it is the president's prerogative to fire sessions. there has been a shift in tone to say don't fire him. leave him alone. to if you don't like him, you can pick somebody else. another front on this, the alabama delegation, congressional delegation, they have been sessions' top defenders since sessions is from alabama. they have been out front defending him when the president comes after him. you are hearing silence from them right now. i was speaking to one yesterday who is close with sessions. gary palmer of alabama. he has issues with sessions in
terms of not firing rod rosenstein. i don't think that is good for him. it is a matter of time before the president fires him. >> interesting. sessions is the most effective cabinet member with the issue of scott pruitt. here is the statement. i took control of the department of justice the day i was sworn in. i am the attorney general, the actions of the department of justice will not be improvely i -- improperly influenced politically. >> rachel, you covered congress. duncan hunter and his wife indicted over using campaign funds to finance this wieir lifestyle. you say his response yesterday where you said, my wife handled all of the finances. this is vintage duncan hunter.
listen. >> i went to iraq in 2003, the first time, i gave her power of attorney. she handled finances throughout my military career. that continued when i got to congress. she was also the campaign manager. whatever she did, that will be looked at too, i'm sure. i didn't do it. >> interesting strategy. they both pleaded not guilty yesterday. >> i didn't do it. pretty shameless i would say. i heard that word used multiple times by his colleagues, republicans on the hill who were flabbergasted by the indictment and details. i have asked hunter about misuse of campaign funds before. he threw his wife under the bus and said look where the charges were made. in california when i was here in washington. guess what? three words. receipts don't lie. right now, the fbi has laid out an indictment. prosecutors have an indictment. thinks he bought lavish dinners where he took people out and had
nothing to do with campaigns. trips he took with certain individuals he had relationships with and had nothing to do with the campaign. virginia beach or ski trips. using the campaign credit card. he can deny all he wants. he said the prosecutors are saying this is a witch hunt because he is a trump supporter. look at the paper trail. that is there. that is a big problem for him. >> it will be difficult to explain a flight for your pet rabbit. why that needs to be paid for through campaign funds. ra rachael. >> multiple shots at a bachelor party. >> rachael, thank you for being here. the effects of hurricane lane felt in hawaii. it is now a category three. officials are warning the storm is a significant rainmaker. outer bands causing flooding. there is a voluntary evacuation order on reeds island near hilo.
the scenic river here turning into a raging torrent. >> everyone is watching the forecast models. we tell them not to get too concerned about that. some of the biggest threats we see from the storm obviously looking at tropical storm or maybe hurricane-force winds. we are looking at potentially for a lot of flooding. potentially urban flooding. >> emergency sirens blaring in honolulu yesterday. fema says it has staged food, water, generators and other necessities around the islands. major airlines waiving fees for travelers. including delta and alaska airlines. cnn's miguel marquez is live in pahala on the southern part of the big island. good evening to you, miguel. what are you seeing there? >> reporter: they have had about a foot of rain in some places.
more than a foot of rain over the last 24 hours in places. they are expecting another foot. over the last six or seven hours it has been raining in buckets here on the southern part of the big island. it has just let up. it is almost a clear night. gives you a sense of the hurricanes working with the bands as they come in. it has caused havoc across the big island despite the track to the west and it is a tropical storm warning for the big island. other islands are still under hurricane warning. one of the hardest hit areas of the big island is hilo and south and pahoa and south. this was hit by kilauea and the volcano the last couple months. now they are getting hit by heavy rain as well. some evacuations in the hilo area. roads have been shutoff because of landslides in the area. a lot of concern in hawaii and big island here for the hours ahead.
the biggest concern is where lane goes now. will it move on oahu? that island where honolulu sits. the biggest city in hawaii. 400,000 people there. where will lane go and how will it effect honolulu and the people living there? people looking to brace and see what it does. >> miguel, it is moving slowly at 6 miles per hour. it makes it a rainmaker. >> reporter: churning along. >> stay safe. >> the weather service downgraded the big island to a tropical storm warning. leaving the hurricane warning in place for the other islands. for the latest, we have meteorologist ivan cabrera in the cnn weather center. i am reading the surfers eagerly awaiting the swells. would you recommend that? >> i would not. you want to stay in your hotel and order in. take it easy. bat
batten down the hatches. there is a possibility that a hurricane will make landfall on top of honolulu here within the next 24-to-48 hours. we hope that doesn't happen. i'm show you why in a second. -- i'll show you why in a second. the rain is still falling. we are running a couple of feet of rain across the big island of hawaii. center of the storm is south of honolulu. the track has changed a little bit. i'll talk about that in a second. i want to show you the rainfall. it is significant. you see the eye of the storm there. the heavy rain, 2 feet of rain, has fallen to the north of it across the big island. t topography has helped with that. it condenses and cools and falls in the form of rain. the storm continues to move very, very slowly to the north and because of the slow movement and topography, plus 17 inches in hilo. close to 2 feet of rainfall and
the storm is not done. not by any stretch. this is the latest stretch of the national hurricane center. notice what happens here. this is still going to move to the north at 90-mile-an-hour winds. look at the cone getting close to honolulu. yes, a chance this could continue going north. it has not made the turn. until that happens, i won't feel better. even with the turn, effects will be significant. we will talk about the potential for 20 to 30 or 40 inches of rainfall in the next couple days. guys. >> ivan, that is something. thank you. >> -- the pope heads to ireland over the weekend. he has plenty to atone for. what will he say about the abuse in the catholic church. we will go live to dublin. the amount of ge that water could do. we called usaa. and they greeted me as they always do.
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past sins of the catholic church when he travels to ireland. his visit will be closely watched after a grand jury report over 1,000 of children have been abused over hundreds of predator priests. let's go live to public lydubli bring in cnn's phil black. what do survivors want to hear? >> reporter: they have key demands, dave. this is always a key test for the pope. very difficult visit because there are simply so many people who have suffered and are suffering as a result of abuse within the church. that report in pennsylvania has only heightened the sense of expectation that the pope must act decisively in order to deal with this issue. many people here are aware of the pope's written apology which was full and clear and unprecedented and appreciated. but the view here among the
victims we spoken to is simply not enough. the time for eloquent and heart felt sorrowful words, they say, has passed. listen. >> we heard the pope the other day and a strong letter. a lot of it is good, but unfortunately he says we're still working on finding a way to hold people accountable. we're deck an aid ades on. you can't still be working on it. >> reporter: demands specifically are practical and very reasonable. they want the compulsory reporting. they want those who protect them within the church. they want a zero tolerance system to be adopted formally by the vatican. something that still hasn't happened. people here is a anything less than that -- here say anything less than that is a failure to deal with the issue. >> an important story to follow.
phil black live in dublin. thank you. let's get a check on cnn money. trade fears are shaking wall street despite trade talks. the u.s. slapped tariffs on $16 billion of chinese goods. beijing retaliated dollar for dollar. companies with big business in china like caterpillar and boeing are dragged down by the dow. federal reserve chair jerome powell will speak in wyoming today. the next interest rate hike may be next month. global stocks are higher right now. ceos have a warning for the trump administration. your immigration policies could be harming the economy. that is including leader from pepsi and apple and jpmorgan chase. this undermines economic growth and american competitiveness. particularly the changes for visas for highly skilled workers
who hold degrees in science, tech, engineering and math. unemployment rate at 18-year low, it is a bad time for companies to lose high skilled workers. sony's robot dog is headed to the u.s. it can be yours for $2,900. aibo debuted in the 1990s. this pup can develop a personality through artificial intelligence and loaded with technology and image sensors. sony sold 20,000 robot dogs in japan. this signals sony is not just an electronics company, but a player in ai and robotics. i guess you don't have to take it for a walk and carry the plastic bags. >> the worst thing we have to do is grab that bag. you don't have to potty train. no snuggles. >> true. okay. caught on video. police in texas engage a woman about to jump off a bridge.
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michigan narrowly swung for president trump in 2016. >> it's a great state. we won michigan. >> now as democratic candidates arrive to make their pitches to voters, the president is hoping personal attacks on his opponents will help keep the state in his column. detroit congresswoman rashida tlaib joins me exclusively in moments. >> hello, i'm jake tapper in detroit, michigan where the state of our union is counting down until the debates. we are live outside the fox theatre in downtown detroit, where 20 presidential candidates will meet on stage for the cnn democratic presidential debates. as the candidates prepare to take the stage in michigan, a state trump narrowly won, democrats are signaling their disagreements over issue. for his part the president is continuing to use divisive and even racist attacks on members
that are minority groups. a campaign tactic that he signaled two weeks ago he would make the foundation of his reelection campaign when he told four minority members of congress to go back to the countries where they came from, even though three were born in the u.s. and all four are american citizens. yesterday the president attacked elijah cummings quoting that the african-american congressional district which includes parts of baltimore is a disgusting, rat and rodent infested mass. if he spent more time in baltimore maybe he can help clean up this dangerous and filthy place. no human being would want to be there. 718,000 live in cummings' district and president trump is their president as well, though the president apparently views them and the city of baltimore as someone else's responsibility. moreover, president trump attacked those four freshmen congresswomen of color under the guy's of the criticisms of the
u.s. joining me now in detroit, 2020 presidential candidate senator brr bernie sanders. i know you want to talk about issues but i want to talk about what president trump said about elijah cummings and his district being a rat infested place that no one would want to believe. >> it's unbelievable that we have a president of the united states who attacks american cities, who attacks americans, who attacks somebody who is a friend of mine. elijah cummings is one of the most decent and outstanding members of the house of representatives. i do find it interesting when we have rural republican districts where the life expectancy is going down, where downtowns are boarded up and people are struggling. they're struggling and our job is to bring people together to improve life for all people, not to have a racist president who
attacks people because they are african-americans. that is a disgrace and that is why we're going to defeat this president. >> he obviously things that these racist attacks will be effective. are you concerned that they might be? >> no. i don't. i think the american people understand that what we need is an agenda that works for all of us and not have a president who divides us up. we need health care for all, we need to lower the cost of prescription drugs. we need to make public colleges and universities tuition free. we need to cancel student debt. the american people are behind those issues. they will not accept the president trying to divide us up by the color of our skin. >> let's talk about one of those issues. specifically you and other 2020 democrats are going to be debating on the stage. your medicare for all plan will be front and center. kamala harris says she supports it and she will not raise taxes on middle class americans to fund it. i want you to take a listen to what former vice president had to say about that.
>> well, i find the people who say medicare for all but they're not going to tax the middle class because you don't need to do that. come on. what is this, is this a fantasy world here? >> do you agree with former vice president biden. >> we have to understand that under medicare for all people are not going to pay any premiums or deductibles or co payments. so if you call a premium a tax, we're getting rid of that. but i do believe that in a progressive way people will have to pay taxes. the wealthy will obviously pay the lion's share of the taxes. but at the end of the day people will pay substantially less for the health care that they receive because we're going to do away with hundreds of billions of dollars of administrative waste. we're going to do away with the incredible profiteering of the insurance companies and drug companies. but overall people are not going to be paying premiums and
deductibles, so they'll be laying less. >> so is the former vice president incorrect? >> well, obviously health care is not free. we pay for it through premiums and out of pocket expenses. in canada it's paid through taxes and we'll have to do that. >> the debate strategy in a new memo that they issued this weekend, the strategist writes he's going to draw contrast where there are policy disagreements like health care. booker, jill brand, harris and warren all have signed onto bernie sanders health care for all. that's a non-starter for joe biden. you're not going to be on the stage with him because of the luck of the draw. >> that is disingenuous on the part of joe. if i raise your taxes hypothetically by $8,000 and i lower the health care costs that you're now paying with premiums and deductibles that are now $12,000, you're $4,000 in the good. we are the only major country on earth that does not guarantee
health care to all or have a national health care program. so we under a medicare for all are going to substantially lower prescription drug costs, we're going to do away with the incredible complexity and waste in the system. but at the end of the day, you may pay more in taxes. you're not paying premiums or deductibles. you will pay less for your health care costs. >> and you think vice president knows that? >> of course he does. no study tells us. last year the drug companies made $69 billion at the same time americans can't afford the medicine that they need. so you're seeing massive profit earring on the part of the health care industry and incredible bureaucracy. anybody who deals with an insurance company understands the bureaucracy. you're seeing now over 80 million americans who can not afford the health insurance that
they need. this is a disfunctional system designed to make profits for the people in the health care industry, not to provide quality care to all. >> you just talked about the drug companies. you're taking a bus to canada later this morning to fight for more affordable insulin for people with diabetes. at a fundraiser last night here in detroit you appeared to compare pharmaceutical industry executives who are artificially jacking up prices murders. take a listen. >> somebody goes out and shoots somebody, they're called a murderer. we all agree with that. put them away. but what happens if somebody runs a pharmaceutical industry and artificially jacks up the price? >> pharmaceutical executives, i think first of all i misspoke. pharmaceutical executives see themselves as people who help save lives. do you really see them as murders? >> this is a philosophical issue
that we have to deal with. if in the case of insulin people are dying right now because the cost has soared in recent years. you have three companies who control over 90% of the insulin market. one out of four people -- we have 7 million people use insulin and people are dying. there is strong evidence that there is price fixing and these companies simultaneously raise the prices at outrageous levels far more than the cost of production. if i have a product that costs me a few dollars to make and i jack up that price and you can't afford it, and you die, what do you call me? you can call them whatever you want, but i will tell you as president of the united states we're going to take on the pharmaceutical industry. we're going to have an attorney general who is going to deal with the incredible concentration of ownership and we're going to use anti-trust legislation. i'm going right now in a fu minutes into canada. the cost of insulin is one-tenth
of the price. 10% of the price. same product we have in the united states. so you can call the drug company executives whatever they want, but what they're doing involves corruption, it involves unbelievable greed with them making, as i mentioned the top ten companies last year made $69 billion in profits. the top three insulin companies made $14 billion. and people are rationing. one out of four are rationing their insulin. that is unacceptable in the united states and i'm elected president they're not going to get away with that. >> you recently approved a plan to forgive $1.4 trillion debt. cory booker had some criticism. you're not going to be on the stage with him so i want you to address it. >> it's canceling debt for people in high income brackets going into jobs, whether they're large corporate jobs or wall street jobs that are going to
give them the ability to pay back their money. >> why should the american taxpayer pay the debt for a millionaire? >> those are not the people who have the student debt. the majority are working class people, low income people, african-americans and latinos. they are struggling right now and many of these people -- i talk to them every day, they can't afford to get married and have kids or buy a house. they can't afford even to buy a car. there's a tremendous weight of oppression around their shoulders. they were told go to college and they did. they took out huge loans. they were told they were going to get good-paying jobs. that did not happen. my view is if the united states could bail out the crooks on wall street who destroyed the economy, if we could give a trillion and a half. large organizations like amazon, doesn't pay a nickel a federal tack taxes. if we do that we can help save a
millennial generation. >> biden is spending time supporting the 1994 crime bill which he authored. you were concerned about mass incarceration at the time. let's roll that clip. >> we are dooming today tens of millions of young people to a future of bitterness, ms.ry, hopelessness, drugs, crime and violence, and mr. speaker, all the jails in the world, and we already im prison more people per capita than any other country, will not make that situation right. >> and yet you voted for the bill because there were many provisions in it that you did like. how do you explain to communities of color in particular why that yes vote was worth the cost, even though you saw the mass incarceration problem coming down the pike? >> i'll tell you what, when you have a large bill as you well know, jake, that has many features in it, many provisions in it, you have to make a
choice. and the choice that i had made is i had run for office -- and this was back in '88 and again in 1990. you know what i said to the people of vermont? by the way, that was a state that had virtually no gun control laws at all. i said we have got to ban the distribution of assault weapons. that was way back then. that's what i told the people. this bill, the crime bill did have a ban on assault weapons and it also had a provision if there dealing with violence against women. so i was on the floor when you just showed, me understanding how bad aspects of that bill was. but i made a promise to the people of vermont and since then i've been doing my best helping to lead the effort for real criminal justice reform so we end the disgrace of having more people in jail than any other country. we have hundreds of thousands of people that are too poor to pay for cash bail. i helped lead the effort against the terrible war on drugs which has destroyed so many lives.
and i'm proud at my last campaign we talked about the need to decriminalize or legali legalize marijuana. >> i know hindsight is 20 dsh 20, but are you still glad you voted for it. >> no. i'm not happy i voted, it was a terrible bill. people lose faith in politicians because they say one thing and do another. if i tell people in vermont i am going to do everything i can to put a ban on assault weapons, and then you don't do that, that's the other side of the coin. >> the u.s. is on track to apprehend more than 1 million undocumented immigrants this year. in the past you have suggested that increases in migrant workers drive wages down for american workers. i want you to take a listen to yourself on lou dobbs. >> if poverty is increasing and wages are going down, i don't
know why we need people to come into this country as guest workers who will work for lower wages than american workers and drive wages down even lower than they are right now. >> let me just ask you, the larger philosophical question, how do you balance compassion at the border with compassion for americans and their wages? >> what i said about that one, the reason why i voted against that immigration bill is there were a number of groups, including leading latino groups, that understood that the guest worker program in that legislation was akin to slave labor. the workers coming in had no rights at all. so i don't apologize for that vote. but right now what we need is a comprehensive immigration reform package, which does a number of things. number one, it leads to a path toward citizenship for the 11 million who are undocumented right now. that's what we've got to do. it provides legal stats for the 1.8 young people who are in the
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is needed to make a decision on impeachment. joining me now, the house judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler of new york, the man who would theoretically lead any impeachment proceedings or hearings. congressman nadler, thanks so much for joining us. i want this clear this up because there was some confusion after your press conference on friday as to whether the house judiciary committee is formally pursuing an impeachment inquiry. you wrote, quote, the judiciary committee is investigating whether to recommend articles of impeachment. i want to clear this up here. you're investigating possible impeachment, but you haven't formally opened an impeachment inquiry. are you trying to have it both ways here? >> no, we're not trying to have it both ways. we said exactly what we are doing. we are investigating the question of -- we are investigating the corruptions of the administration, the abuses of power. what mueller showed, the possible violations of the
emoluments clause. everything that might cause us to recommend articles of impeachment. there are articles that have been recommended to the committee and we are investigating and determining whether we should report those articles to the house. that's exactly what we're doing. we're going to court to get more evidence. >> i understand the role you need to play as kpachairman of judiciary committee. i'm wondering your view as a member of congress. do you personally support impeaching president trump? >> my personal view is that he deserves impeachment. he does done many impeachable offenses. he's violated the law sex ways from sunday. but that's not the question. the question is can we develop enough evidence to put before the american people. the president and the attorney general were lying to the american people consistently saying that the mueller report found no obstruction, no collusion, and exonerated the president. i think the hearing the other day was an inflection point
because it showed quite clearly that the report did not exonerate the president. that it found that the russian government tried to influence our campaign. they interfered in our election. they attacked our election. the trump campaign welcomed that assistance and cooperated with the russian government in trying to affect the campaign. and then the president lied repeatedly to the american people and investigators and conducted a corrupt cover-up with at least five criminally indictable acts of obstruction of justice. these are very serious offenses against the rule of law and we now have to get further evidence and put it before the american people as we consider articles of impeachment in the committee. >> do you think the president should be prosecuted after he leaves office? >> i leave that to a prosecutor
after he leaves office, but it is clear that -- well, let me put it this way. it is clear that if it weren't for the department of justice opinion that a sitting president cannot be indicted, anyone else who had done what he did would have been indicted for at least five different major crimes. and a president who is immune from prosecution by virtue of the justice department saying that every president is immune from prosecution, should be prosecuted after he leaves office, or at least impeached and removed from office if you can prove those crimes. >> you just said that the mueller testimony this week in your view was a, quote, inflection point. i have to say only nine house democrats after the testimony came out and called for an impeachment inquiry. it's still just a minoriy of the democratic caucus who supports proceeding with an impeachment inquiry. about 43%, about 100 democrats.
it doesn't seem to have been an inflection point for many house democrats. why do you think that is? >> i think it was an inflection point that it broke the administration's lie, the attorney general's lie that the president was totally exonerated by the mueller report. quite the contrary, there was very damning evidence put forward on the record. and i think as the american people understand that, as people absorb that information, as we bring out more evidence, people will understand the gravity of the situation. it's not one that can be ignored. >> at your press conference on friday you said that mueller had a, quote, remarkable exchange with congressman ted lu of california, that he said but for the department of justice policy prohibiting him from doing so, he would have indicted president trump. those are your words. but mueller walked that whole statement back before his afternoon testimony before the house intelligence committee. take a listen.
>> i want to add one correction to my testimony this morning. i said, and i quote, you didn't charge the president because of the olc opinion. that is not the correct way to say it. as we say in the report and as i said at the opening, we did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime. >> were you not aware that mueller had walked that back? >> well, mueller very carefully in the report said that he did not make a decision, but he did not make a decision only because he thought -- and he says this in this report. he thought it unfair to the president to say he was guilty, likely guilty of a crime when the president couldn't defend himself in a trial that wouldn't occur because he could not be indicted because of the department of justice's decision. but it is very clear from what the mueller report lays out, it lays out five instances of obstruction of justice and it lays out the three elements of
the crime very clearly with all the evidence that shows that had he not been the president, he would have been indicted for those crimes. >> right. but the exchange with ted lu is misleading because mueller walked it back. he said he didn't mean to say what he said. >> he was very careful not to say what the report makes clear, if you read the report. because he doesn't think it's fair to charge -- to say the president is charged when he can't -- when there can be no trial because of the department of justice rule. but he lays out in the report evidence that clearly establishes all three elements of the crime of obstruction of justice on at least five different counts. >> you subpoenaed some of the underlying materials, the information for the mueller report on friday, saying that there appears to be compelling evidence of the president's misconduct outside of what's in
the mueller report. are you suggesting that mueller and his team left pivotal evidence out of his report and testimony? >> no. the mueller team conceived of its purview in rather narrow terms. they looked at a couple of things. there were things that they didn't really look at. for instance, all the financial entanglements of the trump -- with the russians. and to what extent did that influence the russian attempt to help the trump campaign win and the cooperation the trump campaign gave to the russians. there were quite a few different things. the e monthly u ments laws. the fact that trump seems to be making money from his hotels and other things, in direct violation of the emoluments clause of the constitution,
which is meant to prevent him from being influenced by different powers. >> congresswoman jackie spear told me a few weeks ago that if impeachment proceedings have not begun by september, then really there's no point in going on and beginning them. do you agree that there is a deadline of sorts just because of the 2020 election? >> no, i don't. we have to defend the constitution and it's not -- we have to defend the constitution against these kinds of unconstitutional and illegal deeds and we have to make sure that the president pays a penalty so that kind of conduct is not normalized for the next president. so we have to do this in whatever time frame there is and we're doing it now. we're engaged in an investigation into these
different allege crimes and to whether the president violated his oath of office to take care of the laws that were faithfully executed to the various abuses of power and we're looking into it. as i said, the articles of impeachment that have been referred to the committee and there are other articles that might be drafted. >> chairman jerry nadler of the house judiciary committee. thank you so much for your time. we appreciate it. >> you're quite welcome. >> my next guest has been a very vocal supporter, to say the least, of impeachment since the day she was sworn in earlier this year. that's gotten the attention of president trump who told rashida tlaib and three of her colleagues to go back where they came from. well, congresswoman tlaib came from here. she was born and raised in detroit. we're sitting in her congressional district. congresswoman, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> i know you want to talk about michigan, but i do want to get your reaction to a couple things in the news. first, you just heard chairman
nadler talking about impeachment. you've been in favor of impeaching president trump since you were inaugurated. why do you think so many house democrats are not with you? why do you think you're in the minority among democrats? >> i know in my district, very much rooted in what they're thinking and how they're feeling in regards to a lawless president. especially one that hasn't divested in businesses in what we feel is play to play. if you want to do business with the federal government, go stay at trump's hotel in dc. so there is very alarming to a lot of my residents who don't want any kind of corruption. it's something that we fight against all the time, even on different levels of government here. and they don't want to see people being able to pay into mergers that he just approved that hurt working families, increased cell phone bills when he allowed the merger of t-mobile and sprint. and i tell people all the time, t-mobile spent over like $200,000 alone at the dc trump hotel.
and that kind of tainting of the process and not upholding the united states constitution, which requires every single president prior to donald trump has divested in their businesses. even president carter sold his bean farm. >> but you're saying you're more sensitive to issues of corruption than other house democrats? >> no, i think we are worried. but they're also more -- i think there's always this cautious of whether or not they're going to win. but i always remind people the watergate class, and this is the largest incoming class since watergate, did not rely on whether it was going to go through the senate. they did what was right for the country. they said is this right now a crisis, a constitutional crisis? do we need to move forward? and they did right by the country and i think very much it was something that benefitted all the american people. >> i want to get your responses. you're on the house oversight committee with chairman and congressman elijah cummings of
maryland. the president referred to the district as a rat-infested mess and said no human being would want to live there. i don't want to project, but he very easily could have said those things about detroit. >> absolutely. and he continues to say things about american cities all across this country. the president has a hate agenda. right now as people are in my district every single day, i talk to folks that are losing their jobs, not getting paid what they need. they're literally working three or four jobs just to make ends meet. so many voeks folks at the fron are really suffering and they want somebody that's going to follow through on reducing prescription drugs. but this hate agenda is now seeking into policy making. you see the deregulation in epa and you hear from residents in down river and even in southwest detroit, we have a right to breathe clean air. there is something going on here. we don't feel like our
government is protecting us. and it's because the corporation is seeping in. this is a crooked ceo in the white house that is making decisions based on profits and his friends and his for-profit industry would benefit from versus what is best for the american people. we're not going to get played in the 13th congresional district. we can see from far away that he's incompetent and he hasn't followed through on the promises he made. >> so let's talk about the hate agenda. and you have heard there have been criticisms from you from even your fellow democrats, especially for our support for the bds movement. it's an anti-israel movement. >> it's criticizing the racist policies of israel and it's a boycott. i think folks don't know when you say bds, especially around the country when you say bds, they're not sure what it means. >> buy cot die vest sanction.
i want to get your reaction to something senator schumer said. he said, quote, when there is such a double standard, when the world treats everybody one way and the jewish state another way, there's only one word for it anti-semitism. let us call out the bds movement for what it is. i think some of the questions they have is why focus on just israel? why not also call for sanctions against other countries where you might have issues such as egypt or pakistan or saudi arabia? >> absolutely. and i think if there is an economic boycott movement around saudi arabia i would be the first to sign up for it. i can tell you they're all around college campuses. there are jews, muslims, all different kinds of back ground who are pushing back against the policies in israel because they see the human rights violations of children being detained. the fact that my grandmother who lives in the west bank right now does not have equality. she is someone that right now under occupation is feeling less than. and i grew up in the most
blackest beautiful city in the country where every corner in detroit here, you will see a reminiscence and we did it through economic boy scott. it is a form of freedom of speech. but people want to dismiss it because they say it's anti-semitism. that's a way to discredit the fact that we all know under netanyahu's regime violations have gotten worse. >> why not boy scott egypt? >> i would boycott them, of course. but right now there is not a bill or resolution on the floor that is saying sktop boycotting egypt. and i would absolutely oppose any sort of oppression of freedom of speech. it's a slippery slope, because tomorrow if folks want to boycott saudi arabia and there's a movement and it's got a name, they're going to go ahead and pass a resolution saying you don't have freedom of speech, you don't have a right to a
first amendment. you can't be double standard. but of course i would oppose any kind of oppression of that sort, of dismissing somebody's right, first amendment right. we have cases around the country from teachers who don't even know what's going on in israel who do not feel like they should wipe away their first amendment right to be able to speak out through economic boycott. >> the last question on this. do you think the jewish people have a right to a state in the area where israel exists now? >> i truly believe the state of israel exists, but understand, does it exist in the detriment of inequality for the palestinian people? detriment of not really moving in a peaceful resolution? we're never going to have peace, i truly believe is separate but equal is the way they want to go. and i can tell you i learned that from my african-american teachers in detroit public schools who showed me what a pain of oppression looks like. we're not going to have peace if we do not understand that we're
dehumanizing pal staen yen. >> does israel have a right to exist. >> yes. but palestinians also have a right to human rights. we can't say one or the other. we have to say it in the same breath. >> i know you want to talk about michigan. president trump's pin in michigan is one of the main reasons he's p. and when it comes to pitching voters, the economy is better in michigan now? >> really? because gm is leaving. >> i'm sure you can point to individual cases. but the employment rate has dropped from 5.1 to 4.2. the gdp has increased 8%. why should voters turn over the economy to democrats? >> it's not handing it over to anybody. it is making sure that they come priority before anybody else. the numbers that come out, that's not what's felt here. they're low-wage jobs. some have multiple or part-time. >> the wages are going up. >> the wages are going up
because the people with demanding it. not because donald trump wanted it to go up. because the movement for fight for 15 is growing. the movement to hold corporations accountable is growing. it's not because of who is president of the united states. transpore magz from the civil rights movement to the labor rights didn't happen because somebody introduced a bill or who was president at the time. it happened because people here on the ground in wayne county and detroit, they demanded it change. and so you see a movement of saying no more. one job should be enough. that we should be pushing back against this kind of form of putting corporations and giving them the tax give aways versus putting in the pockets of american people. >> but the economy is doing better in michigan under president trump. >> but i don't put president trump as the reason. it's because of the people demanding it. if you don't think the labor rights movement is growing, especially in the service industry, there was just a strike downtown from security officers saying we deserve health care. if you haven't seen what's happening at airports right now
across the nation, thousands just showed up at reagan. we're going to have tons of folks down at the delta terminal at wayne metro airport. and you see what is happening is that they're demanding it. not because they're relying on who is president of the united states. >> very quickly, we have the debate coming up. the mayor of detroit just endorsed joe biden. do you think that joe biden or do you think one of the more progressive candidates has a better chance of turning michigan blue in 2020? >> this might be controversial but i have an amazing attorney general and i wish she was running. >> she's not. >> she's not. but let me tell you why i need somebody like her that's fearless. every single time you turn around, she doesn't hesitate and puts people first. i want folks to know this. don't watch on the performance of someone's debate. watch what their previous votes were. watch the previous policies. that is more important than how they perform in debates, how
they're answering questions. because all of us can perform. how are we voting? how did the person in their previous roles and every single one that's running has been in some sort of role where they're making decisions whether they choose people or profits for corporations. and pay attention more to that than pay attention to how they perform in debates. >> thank you so much. and thanks for welcoming me to your beautiful city here. >> welcome. >> coming up, senator kirsten gillibrand says some of her democratic rivals do not believe women should work outside the home. plus what else to expect on the debate stage. that's next.
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stretched financially, if you're anxious about your future, blame them, blame people who don't look like you, blame people who aren't the same color as you, blame people who weren't born where you were born. >> senator elizabeth warren yesterday analyzing and describing the president's apparent campaign strategy of racist attacks. joining me ahead of the cnn debates, trump campaign adviser david irvin and former utah republican congresswoman and former adviser to president obama and our own cnn host van jones. >> do you agree with senator warren's assessment that the president is trying to divide the country with racism and other forms of rate. >> the blame game has been going on for years, but in the recent tweets and the things that i have seen, enough is enough. it really is disheartening.
the greatest threat that we face is the division of america and i don't believe that any president should be playing a part in dividing america. i am so -- i actually say this not just as a former represent, i'm saying this as a republican and as a mother. i think this is exactly what the russians want, what our enniece want, to see america just tear each other up and the president has gone way too far. anything less than an apology is unacceptable to me. >> can i just say thank you, thank you for being a republican who has stood up. we need more people like you saying enough is enough. we are not a country that craves that division. he is not going to profit electorally by using division as a way of getting to the office again. i think it's going to backfire and i really appreciate you saying that. >> governor, you should also call out our democratic
counterparts when they do it as well. >> i do. >> i sit up here and condemn is president when he does it. i believe that we should appeal to our better angels. >> what do you think of his tweets this weekend? >> this weekend i think the tweets -- we talked about this a little bit. this is the president counter punching. elijah is going after the border saying it stinks, you're doing a tesh job. and the president says look in our own back yard. look in west baltimore. there's some pretty awful neighborhoods. >> he called them not human. >> no, he didn't. >> he said no human being would want to live there. >> go look at the videos that are posted by some folks in west baltimore. there are some places that people would like to leave and we can do better as americans. >> van, let me bring you on. >> first of all, the president is failing kindergarten. a kinder gardener would be taken out avenue a classroom for talking like this. i don't think that the republicans can get out of it
this time. if all he said was -- just to be fair, if the president said you don't like the border, clean up your back yard, that would be fair. he went beyond that. he said no human being would want to live in baltimore. that is so beyond the pale, because it resonates in the idea you are sub human if you live there. and i've got to say, i'm so proud of victor blackwell on cnn for coming out and just speaking from the heart the way that he did. millions of people have seen he speaks for me and an awful lot of people, black and white, who do not want to see the provided stooping so low to dehumanize an entire american city. >> they had a scathing op ed about these tweets, we would remind from trump that the seventh district, baltimore included is part of the united states that he is supposedly governing, the white house has far more power to affect change
in this city for good or ill. better to have some vermin living in your neighborhood than to be one. >> this is the problem we have and i wanted to say this. one of the answers that i have a problem with is that republicans can't get out of this one. i want to remind everyone that republicans are not racist. they are not. the policies that we believe in are good for everybody. the making sure that we lift people from the lowest common denominator up, we should be talking about that. the problem that i have is the president of the united states is supposed to represent all americans, and when you go after americans, you can go after their policies and you can even go after when they say things that you disagree with. but when actually your words hurt americans and divide us, that is unacceptable to me. >> and again, i would just say the president should be pointing out all the positive things his administration is doing to lift people up. real wage increase. the things you're pointing out, too, to the represent about how detroit has actually benefitted.
the president should be tweeting out about, look what i've seen for you, baltimore. don't listen to elijah cummings. look at wage growth and unemployment. mr. president, tweet out about the good things, okay? >> can i just say to your point about republicans not being racist, i know that that's true. there are an awful lot of republicans who are not racist. the problem is when elected republicans do not stand up against these racist tweets, they are aiding and abetting a racist president. and that is such a shame for republicans. if you want to add to your ranks, you don't turn people off like that. >> racism, socialism, these words are thrown about so kwe frequently and freely now that -- >> i was talking about this earlier, those words aren't thrown out. i've been very, very careful and i've given him the benefit of
the doubt. because when you throw out words like race ist and it doesn't really reach that level, it diminishes what that word means. this is an issue where those comments -- that's exactly what they are. and if this president is not racist, he should come out and say i am sorry, this is not what i meant by these words, but i haven't seen any of that. and that is really disheartening and it hurts not just americans, but the republican party and all of those people who are trying to promote those policies, trying to promote the fact that unemployment has gone down. >> he thinks it helps him because he thinks going deeper into that base helps him rather than hurts him. and i would say that most republicans are not racist. >> let's talk about all the postives things. let's go back to the postives. >> let's move on. we have the debate coming up tuesday and wednesday. when it comes to the race conversation coming up, former vice president is taking some incoming when it comes to racism, especially from cory
booker. take a look at some of their back and forth from earlier this week. >> if he wants to go back and talk about records, i'm happy to do that. but i would rather talk about the future. >> it is easy to call donald trump a racist now. you get no badge of courage for that. the question is what were you doing to address structural inequality and institutional racism throughout your life? >> and i wonder, van, i mean this has been a posant line of attack from corey book skpr kamala harris against vice president biden. the president, that's a policy debate, busing integration, clarence thomas, anita hill, et cetera, versus tweets go back where you came from kind of thing. >> i think a couple of things are going on. first of all, biden is paying the cost for doing things that were popular in the '90s. nafta or criminal justice deform, the criminal justice bill.
i think biden makes a mistake when he gets sucked into that and forgets biden was not bill clinton's vice president. he was barack obama's vice president. and the obama administration made real progress on criminal justice reform. and he never seems to mention that or talk about it. i think that's a mistake that he's making. i think on the on the other hand hand, when kamala and when corey come guns blazing after biden -- >> and they're going to be flanking him wednesday night rnlts exactly. they put themselves at some risk and peril because neither of them have perfectly clean hands. so biden is going to have to figure out how to counterpunch on this question. what i love about it is for the first time we're having a substantive debate with both parties about criminal justice reform. you have no fear in the democratic party about talking about reform because republicans are also talking about criminal justice reform. so you do have a bipartisan agreement to do something. you're arguing now about the details. i just want to warn if you're
kamala harris or cory booker, your hands are not one hundred percent clean on these issues either, and biden does have room to counterpunch. >> i want to bring up some polls. biden is taking a lot of incoming but he's still nominating. the new fox pole has him up 33%, among african-americans in south carolina, a monmouth pool, biden is 51% and harris is the next with 12% and in a hypothetical match up in ohio, biden 50%, trump 42%. he's still the man to beat. >> each of these debates i think he does look a little sluggish, a little slower. we'll see how he looks tomorrow. but in his responses he doesn't look as crisp as everyone else. i still think he's the most for biddable candidate from the republican perspective, but can
he get out of the primary. and then i'm sitting here listening earlier to senator sanders and representative tlaib and i was telling the governor good luck with that 2020. if that's the message, the message is we're going to raise taxes to pay for free education and retiring student debt for everyone in america, we're just going to raise taxes. sure, people are going to pay for it. people in america don't know what they're getting into. and when they do, those numbers are going to plummet. >> the first night of the debate is going to be interesting because it really will contrast this large group of moderate democrats and -- >> what large group of moderate democrats? >> hickenlooper, delaney. >> the guys that are polling at like 5%? >> they're going to want to try to get in on this exact issue which is to talk about -- >> go ahead. >> they want to try to make the point. that whole group, including amy
klobuchar, that it is the electoral college map that is going to make a difference, which means there has to be somebody who speaks to people in the independent and who might be able to lure republicans. steve bullock is going to be making that point. >> who is steve bullock? >> the governor of montana. >> i know! >> senator jill brand said something that raised a lot of eyebrows. take a listen to new york senator gillibrand just yesterday. >> we have democratic candidates running for president right now who do not believe necessarily that it's a good idea that women work outside the home. no joke. we have presidential candidates running right now who thinks the me too movement has gone too far. we have members, we have people who are running for president of the united states as democrats who believe the standards for the democratic party are too high. >> she did not specify who she was talking about and neither did her campaign.
i suspect joe biden is -- >> why? >> he voted against increasing a tax credit for women working outside the home. >> but joe biden was the author of that. >> i'm not defending it. i'm just saying it's a complicated issue. >> she is doing what they all believe they have to do, which is dig into those numbers that joe biden has. the only thing that joe biden has to do really is to show that he's tough enough. >> keep breathing. >> and stand up against some of these attacks, but the thing that is actually working for him is the fact that he's actually saying, look, bernie sanders is in a fantasy world if he thinks he's not going to raise taxes. he's speaking to a general electoral. >> senator sanders admits he's going to raise taxes. >> but very quietly. >> go ahead. >> so senator sanders does admit he's going to raise taxes but he says we're going to save money overall. i don't know what she's talking about. if that's her strategy, she's
not going to be president of the united states. i see it slightly differently on this question around student loans. i know from older people like myself, we think this is a crazy idea. you have people in this country who have a bs or a ba who are a quarter million dollars in debt. i'll tell you what, i think the democrats go too far left on immigration and health care. i don't think you can go too far left from student loans because you tell people if you come vote for me, i'm going to help you, i think the student loan thing is actually a good thing for democrats. >> governor granholm, you have twice run a swing states. >> three times. >> are you worried about the democratic party going too far to the left in the primary? >> no. i think that we've got to be careful. obviously there's a huge spectrum inside the democratic party and going too far left, yes. but i don't think -- i don't know, we'll see what happens.
now let's go over to westminster and join that bbc special on the budget with andrew neil. it is budget day, thejohnson government unveils its new plans, with special emphasis on its new voters in the midlands and the north. but for a rookie chancellor, only 28 days in the job, the north. but for a rookie chancellor, only 28 days in thejob, the biggest challenge is the growing economic impact of the coronavirus, and what he can do to vaccinate the economy from it.
with me for this politics live budget special — political editor laura kuennssberg, business editor simonjack, and economics editor faisal islam. it was meant to be the "levelling up" budget, to the regions and people that have not done well in the past decade but looks set to be the coronavirus budget. this morning he bank of england has already announced an emergency cut in interest rates. the bank of england's role is to help uk businesses and households manage through an economic shock that could prove large and sharp. meanwhile, coronavirus hits westminster — health minister nadine dorries is diagnosed with the virus. are you going to be tested for
coronavirus, minister? a dramatic backdrop for any chancellor delivering a budget, let alone one just 28 days in to the job. faisal, it seems that the backdrop to this budget is fear of a serious down turn in the economy, perhaps already happening, and longer than one quarter and not scaremongering, but the possibility now that we move into recession. large and sharp was the words from governor carney. that refers to the hit to the economy. as you referred to, there is some growth numbers out showing the economy flat. any extra impact and the coronavirus impacts on international economy was beginning to be seen injanuary, coming from chan. that would have hit the uk
economy, but nothing like the hit we have seen in europe and the uk eight is important to stress there is the impact of the virus and the impact of trying to contain the virus. there is a really delicate trade off between the two factors. but you're right to use the r word. it is why we have had this emergency action, half a per cent off. from the bank. record lows in interest rates. it is not just about interest record lows in interest rates. it is notjust about interest rates, people will say what will that do to make me buy more stuff when i can't leave the house or go to work. so it is part of tool kit that allows the interest rate to be passed on and people to be paid through what they hope will be a temporary shock and it does suggest what we are going to get from the treasury will be of equalfire get from the treasury will be of equal fire power. laura,
get from the treasury will be of equalfire power. laura, the dangerer in italy and germany and all chancellors have competing pressures , all chancellors have competing pressures, but this one has more than most, he has to outline the big infrastructure programme and do more on spending and keep his new friends in the north happy and keep the old tory base happy. there are a lot of balls in the air. it is like juggfing balls in the air. it is like juggling water! barely a month into the job and the government only a couple of months since winning what should have been an enormous majority that gave them time to sit back and think, what are our priorities? that is of course pleasing people who voted tory for the first time ever or in a long time that are not their traditional support or how do they pick their political priority, science, they're keen on this, housing, they want to do things about that. but the impact of coronavirus still the potential
impact which is so unpredictable has changed that. and this is going to feel, i think like an emergency budget. it is an economic situation that has changed the complexion of everything that the government is looking at in its first few months in office. we are going to hear some dramatic interventions from the chancellor. but they still don't wa nt chancellor. but they still don't want to give up on their medium to long—term aspirations to sort out the lop—sided nature of the country, as they they would see it as a huge cheque for infrastructure, but new projects are not the same, promising projects are not the same, promising projects is different from reducing the strain on government spending. change for business, a couple of months ago, there was talk of the boris bounce and growth in the economy could pick up, there was a clear way forward, now we are looking at a danger to small
businesses going bust and to jobs being lost zm? the core budget he wanted to deliver has been blown out of the water by the coronavirus and for small businesses, the future can wait. it is a public health emergency and a life and death situation for small businesses and the key is cash. things like will i have to pay my vat on time? what about my business rates bill. what about my business rates bill. what about employee s who are getting sick pay from day one, rather than day four. who will pay fr that? and eking out the cash will be priority noi eking out the cash will be priority no 1 for small businesses and they will be looking for things like vat holidays and business rate deferrals, perhaps a hardship fund. some self—employed, they don't count as employees, how will you cater for them? cash, cash, cash will be the
focus or businesses this afternoon. as you said, this budget is taking place against the backdrop roft coronavirus, it is overwhelming everything. let's get an update on what is happening, with the news that the health minister has gone down with it. hugh pym, what is the latest there? nadine dorries, we are still waiting for more of a time line and a factual account of what happened. she was at a downing street reception last thursday, hosted by the prime minister. it is not clear when she became unwell. by friday, she wasn't feeling well. but what then happened over the weekend in her constituency and so on, it is not clear. then on monday, she said she was self—isolating by then and tested at some stage on tuesday. clearly, there is a lot of questions that haven't been answered there. and in term of contact tracing what, public health england do is trace people who have been in close
contact. that is two metres or less than more than 15 minutes. there could have been a meeting with an official or other ministers, including matt hancock and other meetings around westminster. only those will be advised by public health england to basically report any symptoms, which might lead to self—isolation. there is no question of any tests going on across whitehall or westminster at the moment. there is a strict protocol. if you have symptoms and you have beenin if you have symptoms and you have been in contact with someone who tested, you call 11 and maybe self—isolate. tested, you call 11 and maybe self-isolate. it has come to the heart of government, is there any sign yet of government departing from its current strategy, which has been a kind ofstedy as she go —— of steady as she goes strategy, different from the italian or french, we have seen sporting events
cancelled on the continent and watched thousands of people at cheltenham races, is it still the same strategy, or are there signs it will change? as of now, it is the same, it is containment. but we are on the cusp of a change. there is a cobra meeting this afternoon and another one tomorrow, there could be another one tomorrow, there could be a change of mood tomorrow. but i think only flagging up what they might do, what they say is other countries are doing it in their way. here they want to weigh up the social cost. if you say play every football match behind closed doors, thatis football match behind closed doors, that is a big intervention and if people go to the pub to watch, they're as vulnerable as they would be at the stadium and once you play that card or close schools, it does didn't appear to have impact and people lose confidence. they're weighing up what the best approach is, but it may be that we are not far off is, but it may be that we are not faroffa is, but it may be that we are not far off a move to more substantial interventions. i think there will be
guidance this week towards older people, whether they should avoid going out and going into crowded public areas. we will learn more over the next 48 hours. thank you. faisal, when you were speaking last week, floating pictures of chancellor and the governor of the bank of england talking, it is a sign of co—ordination that is going on, before this budget, you talked about the monetary measures, the interest rate cut is the most visible, but it may be the least important, tell us about the funding the bank is making available to the banks, hoping it will go to small businesses? this is key. once you get to interest rate this low, it is more difficult for the banking sector to pass on the cuts. this is about giving the certainty of cash, cash flow, overd rafts from about giving the certainty of cash, cash flow, overdrafts from the
banking systems into businesses that may have lost customers and suppliers and they staff. this is what we are talking about. the banking system gets a set of subsidised funding on the condition it goes into the real economy. there isa it goes into the real economy. there is a conditionality attached to it. it was tried after the eu referendum. this version is ear marked for small and medium sized businesses. it is to pass on the rate cut. you have the situation where you have safety buffer funds for banks, they hold back and they have been built up so that the banking system is padded up. to withstand a stress attack. for a situation like this, they were claiming this for a possibility of no deal brexit. now they're deploying this flexibility and padding so that the economy can be supported. but it requires the banking system to play ball. i think they will. but then it requires
individual bank managers to talk to individual bank managers to talk to individual businesses, we had an example, take the heathrow numbers that showed they were 5% down on passengers, a big company can handle cash flow for a couple of months, but what about second and third tier suppliers? will they keep on staff? other interventions have required treasury, the irish treasury is funding sick pay at 300 euros a week. that is a massive cost. we are relying on employers to pay the sick pgy- relying on employers to pay the sick pay. the royal bank of scotland, i think we now have to call it natwest. they have changed the name. nothing to do with the great crash of 2008! they're talking about deferring mortgage payments and debt servicing as well. that is the kind of thing that will be looking for on a bigger scale to help businesses
through this coronavirus crisis? yes it is pre—emptive, you're sort of, you're getting this in before the impact hits. you're trying to provide confidence for the marginal decisions, a small business owner, thinking can i keep this person on during the lull. there is no money coming in yes, people are acting more cautiously. the bank of england and the government are trying to inflate a giant set of air bags before we hit a real crash. all of these measures, if you put them together, it is about anticipating the fact this may be serious and officials in some different government departments have said to me, they're calling on a loft contingency planning done for the possibility of leaving the eu without a deal. in a sense, some of this is familiar territory for the government of the late. you mean we might get our money's worth?l
government of the late. you mean we might get our money's worth? a lot was spent on the planning and some of the things that might happen be the things that were planned for already. we have a lot to talk about with our panel. let me tell you how we are planning the day. we will go to house of commons at noon and take prime minister's questions as usual. then we think that we women come out of go almost straight into the budget. the budget will be, we guess, about an hour long and we will do the post budget analysis through to 3 o'clock this afternoon. plenty of time and plenty to talk about. let's go to francis o'grady of the trade union congress. what are you looking for? you heard us talking about the problems the coronavirus could cause for people, particularly self—employed and those in the gig economy and those that don't have major benefits, what would you like to see?
we need emergency cash for business but working families as well. the government made a big move in response to trade union pressure to introduce sick pay from day one on a temporary basis only, but what we need to do now is make sure that those 2 million people who don't earn enough to qualify for statutory sick pay don't end up going to work when they shouldn't because they can't afford to stay at home and self—isolate. and £94 25 a week is not going to last many people for long when they have bills to pay and families to raise, so we need a serious intervention from the government on this for the sake of public health but also to make sure that we keep key parts of the economy running. there are many clea ners economy running. there are many cleaners in the nhs who earn very little pay on outsourced contracts.
there are care workers in old peoples homes, particularly vulnerable group, again, on very low pgy- vulnerable group, again, on very low pay. they have to have decent sick pay. they have to have decent sick pay that they can do the right thing and follow government medical advice. what should the government do for the workers in the gig economy? well, this is a deep-rooted problem. the tuc and other unions have been arguing for years that we need every worker to be entitled guaranteed hours and fair pay for the decentjobs that they do. so this rise of insecure working, including zero—hours contracts, is now, i think, including zero—hours contracts, is now, ithink, all including zero—hours contracts, is now, i think, all because we end up with this two—tier workforce. now, i think, all because we end up with this two-tier workforce. we know the problem, the long—term problem, but the immediate short—term problem, what should the government do? they should be
changing peoples rights at work to ensure that everybody has the right to guaranteed hours, notification of shifts, to be treated fairly and decently paid at least the real living wage and we do have the issue of now millions of people who are self—employed, many of them by choice, some of them not by choice because employers are putting them on those contracts to strip them of sick pay and holiday rights. but what we do need is a contingency plan from the government to say that they will be able to claim universal credit, is frankly just they will be able to claim universal credit, is franklyjust not real when there is a five week wait to get any money. ok, you for thank that. let's go to mike cherry, a lot of his numbers are small businesses. i guess it is the small businesses, a lot of them are surviving week by week or month by month and when their cash flow dries up or is
seriously reduced, they are in trouble. they are indeed and we've already seen costs increasing both with the increase in the national living wage due to come in next month and increased rents and rates coming through next month and what we have been calling on the government to do is increase in the employers government to do is increase in the e m ploye rs allowa nce government to do is increase in the employers allowance which has already been trailed, the increase from 3000 up to £4000 to help offset some of these costs which is to be very welcome but while statutory sick pay from day one is the right thing to do, it's not that long that the smallest businesses one and able to recover statutory sick pay and we have been urgently lobbying the government to try and ensure that that option comes back in and we hope that announcement will be made in the budget even ifjust for a short—term measure but one of the big things in, as you've already been hearing, is cash and business rates are a regressive, anti growth tax that you pay out before you even
open the door, let alone turn over your first a pound or make any profit so to help to alleviate the increase in business rates and in deferring the payment of business rates would be a major help to small businesses along with banks deferring payments on overdrafts and loans, perhaps. ijust wanted an a nswer to loans, perhaps. ijust wanted an answer to the question, not a speech, so let me come back to you. your organisation has got its ear to the ground. are you already seeing signs of distress amongst small businesses as a result of the virus? not necessarily distress as yet but we are hearing of many businesses where they are having problems with supply chains, so whether it be raw materials, parts coming in to help make what it is they manufacture or provide their customers and in the retail side we already beginning to see the decrease in footfall which
is having an impact on turnover, so again, that is becoming apparent and obviously businesses following the advice that the scientists and health department is pushing out and we do need to see this cash coming through to businesses very quickly if this does take hold in the next two weeks, as forecast. thanks for joining us. simon, what you saw there was from both the tuc and the federation of small businesses, using the coronavirus crisis to push their own agendas. that is what the chancellor is having to deal with. you had the tuc saying they want to change all the rules a and small businesses saying we want business rates reformed and so on. it's no secret that business rates have been a bugbear. long before the virus. long before he was working at the
federation for small businesses, but they are hoping that if they do is say they can be a business rate holiday and it's say they can be a business rate holiday and its complex because a lot of money goes to local authorities on whether this could be the catalyst for change. let me interrupt you because we have the chancellor coming out of number 11 downing st a little while ago, have we got the video? i should have kept with simon, you see. we interrupted you for no purpose whatsoever. let's hope the chancellor is more efficient. going back to the point you make about the banks and getting the money through to small businesses, those measures we saw yesterday from the rbs and barclays saying there would be mortgage holidays, that is important because for the self—employed, your household finances and business finances are one in the same thing so individual holidays for consumers could your way of getting to the ha rd to could your way of getting to the hard to reach bits of the economy so the forbearance of the banks are a
key pa rt the forbearance of the banks are a key part of how to get some assistance to small businesses. but what would you do about those less financially able to deal with shocks? we think of things in terms of mortgage rates all the times and it is typically... i now get to interrupt you. at this time for a purpose. there is the chancellor and his team coming out of number 11 downing st, or as some people now call it, ten a downing street, because we always thought that number ten's fingerprints are all over this budget, one of the reasons why sajid javid is not holding the box right now. it is not mr gladstone's famous red box. that had more wear and tear than it could withstand. a lot on this young man's shoulders. 39 years old, mp for a
northern yorkshire rural consistency. he was chief secretary to the treasury under sajid javid for a brief period and here he is, holding up the famous red budget box andi holding up the famous red budget box and i think this budget could be so big he might need a second box to get other measures into it at the moment. but it is a big day for this young chancellor, he has been in situ for less than a month and laura, some thoughts? you have to wonder what is going through his head. it's not just wonder what is going through his head. it's notjust his first day it's the first budget since leaning —— leaving the european union and the first budget for the government since winning an enormous majority and in either of those regards on their own it would be an enormous day, but now, i'm thinking of the moment when we saw alistair darling come out with his budget box. at the height of the crash? nobody quite knew what was in there, and there is a sense that everybody hopes the impact of coronavirus will be temporary but there is this great sense of uncertainty and just in terms of the spreadsheets produced
by the office for budget responsibility, they are all com pletely responsibility, they are all completely utterly out of date and it's a reminder of how the political landscape might be changed by this for a long, long time, and as you say, a brand—new chancellor, well rated, background in finance, worked his way up, but what a step up. my goodness. well with these words probably ringing in his ears, there is no pressure on him whatsoever. let's go over to college green and vicki young. as you are saying, a chancellor that we did not expect to be dealing with a public health crisis, we didn't expect him having to come up with solutions and in the longer term he cannot let go of that because he has some very ambitious plans and we can discuss this more as we are joined by two mps. first
floor, levelling up was the result of the election and people voting for the tories and in some cases for the first time. what is rishi sunak going to have to do to encourage those people to vote conservative ain? those people to vote conservative again? i think it's good to have a yorkshire mp to deliver a budget and what better place or person, but this is about opportunity being spread through the uk and we know that talent is evenly spread but people in the north particularly, i would say, are not given the opportunities that some people in the south and south—east have so spending more money on transport infrastructure ads also about better deals for local services and we hope that these will be in the budget today. and presumably that is something labour can get behind?” am still sick of these slogans that do not end up meaning anything and we saw with hsz, those great big train that tory mp shout about from the dispatch box don't get us far but when it comes to giving
opportunity to people who have not have it, the consequences of ten years of tory government are all around us. they just years of tory government are all around us. theyjust need to go into their town centre, they go into birkenhead and they see the consequences of tory government all around us. that is the test for the chancellor today. we'll what he announces shut down the food banks we have everywhere ? announces shut down the food banks we have everywhere? we'll what he announces stop the rough sleeping thatis announces stop the rough sleeping that is caused by the support for people with addictions being removed. he can open as many trend lines as he can but people want action to change the economy now —— train lines. we have the northern powerhouse, where is that? this is just another empty sound bite. we are talking about billions of investment that is building roads, rail, the rest of it, but day—to—day spending isa rail, the rest of it, but day—to—day spending is a different issue, those cuts to councils and other sectors as well. will he do anything about
that? alison talks about slogans, but get brexit done is something we did and levelling up doesn't mean something. she says what is happen to the northern powerhouse, if you look at the budget today i am confident we will be talking about half £i trillion of infrastructure spending. what about day-to-day spending. what about day-to-day spending christmas we have to be fiscally conservative about using —— we have to be fiscally conservative about using taxpayers money but people on the lowest incomes need to get more of what they are earning and that is absolutely the right thing to do. the tories tax cuts are the benefit of the rich. the top 1% is paying a higher proportion of tax than at any time under your labour administration. but the point is, actually, if you look at the consequences of the past ten years of glory —— tory government by their own standards, ticket prices up by 42% on trains while they have held down the fuel tax that benefits
people who drive big cars. look at what happened with crossrail being built for london rather than infrastructure in the north. they could have started big railway infrastructure projects in the north ten years ago and they've chosen not to. the ones they did do, in manchester, the project went really badly and we had rail delays for years and years. would you approve a more borrowing for day—to—day spending? we will end up with more day—to—day spending because of coronavirus and the failure of the tory government. you talk about councils and what they are having to deal with. those cuts have been totally ineffective because they have because so many problems. what i would say is we need a proper plan that responds to the crisis we are in now, that says the economy is going to change because of brexit and other things, so how do we fight coronavirus economically and make sure people can get through financially as well as setting in train something in the medium term that will balance the economy. some
of your colleagues are worried about too much borrowing for the spend. my collea g u es too much borrowing for the spend. my colleagues are comfortable if the borrowing is for recurrent spending. alison is choosing to make this party political. levelling up should not be party political. it has been decades of underinvestment in the region, labour and conservative governments, and we should move forward and improve everybody‘s in prospects where ever they are in the uk. we will leave it there but this debate will go on and on. thank you very much indeed and we will see what the chancellor has in store very what the chancellor has in store very soon. what the chancellor has in store very soon. thanks, and you can see the debate about the budgets are already under way even though we haven't had it. about 45 minutes away. let's go to simon mccoy, who is in wakefield. i'm at the trinity walk shopping centre. what do people want? it is cash and more power locally. i've four people to talk about the
issues. one from citizen's advice and a local business and a managing director at a local business and pa rt director at a local business and part of the northern power house partnership and the founder of icw, a window manufacturer. i will be with you in a moment, margaret, ceilidh, the budget, everyone is waiting for the chancellor, i suspect your phones are already ringing, because of coronavirus? we have seen three times as many to our sick pay on our web—site. people are worried about covering the cost if they need to several isolate. what we wa nt they need to several isolate. what we want is to make sure people don't face that impossible choice of having to stay at work to pay their bills, or follow the advice and self—isolate. bills, or follow the advice and self-isolate. we have had the interest rate cut, it is about cash flow is it? yes, this is welcome
news, we need to think about individuals as well. so cash flow for individuals involves access to sick pay and there are five million self—employed people who can't get and people who don't earn enough to get it. we want to see the government widening the pool of people who can get it and support businesses to cover the cost. you work from home, so that is not an issue, but once events get cancelled, that will be a problem? we're seeing what is happening at the moment and we will be working as long as we can do up until the summerand long as we can do up until the summer and working as normal. you're working with a lot of parents, what is their concern? in terms of coronavirus, it is everyone is working as normal at the moment. i think there are some concerns of what happens when children are at home and you are trying to look after children, plus work from home,
for say 14 days, of self—isolation when you have children climbing the walls. in terms of what the chancellor might announce, what are you hoping for? from a business perspective, we are hoping he will make some concessions in terms of vat or business rates, to help businesses work through the period. margaret, you have a more immediate problem, your supplier is from... ? we have components parts from italy, just outside milan, we can't get them at the moment. what is the situation now? it is not too bad. we have had to look at resourcing that and a lot of our customers are looking to do that back into the uk that, could be an opportunity, particularly for the supply chain, because our customers are nationwide and have been hit by the supply chain as well. so it is just... dealing with this as we go along and
hopefully the government will recognise the impact of coronavirus, which is happening already, particularly with the bank of england and we get that investment to reassure people, because this is about homes and communities and most importantly it is about people and people having that income. what will people having that income. what will people be looking for from chancellor in term of cash? in terms of specifically, in terms of what, we talked about people and the systems generally need to know they have certainty about how they're going to work through this. businesses and margaret makes an important point, there is a full supply chain of companies that are connected and in terms of hue we wa nt connected and in terms of hue we want to keep productivity going through covid—19, the cash concessions through tax or vat to help all the supply chain manage us through that. what about the issues of corporation tax, business rates, are these things that you are hoping
are these things that you are hoping are addressed? yes, we are on the high street and all the businesses here are hoping that we do have people stopping, how they will work through that period and the reductions will be important.” through that period and the reductions will be important. i was talking to a business leader, who said shoplifting is a big problem and there are not the police and there are wider issues affecting the high street. if you look at life, it is neverjust one thing. if we think about the 2.7 million people we help at sid zens advice, people come —— citizen's advice, people come about all sorts of things like their gas bill or getting financial support and problems on the high street. people are day—to—day facing severe challenges already, even before we look at the impact of coronavirus. vicky, on any normal day, we would be talking about issues like hs2. will that make a big difference to
wakefield? personally, h52 for wakefield? personally, h52 for wakefield no, if it does the, the second part, it will benefit leeds. but wakefield has a quick train route down to london already. so wakefield people would have to travel to leeds to get on hs2. so we are going back on ourselves. you're nodding. probably a different opinion. i think hsz is a once in a generation opportunity, but what is also important is the commitment to look at high speed north and the connectivity across the cities from liverpool to newcastle and connect the cities up to scotland and down to the midlands and london.” the cities up to scotland and down to the midlands and london. i have got to leave it there. we will talk later. a mixed view. but as with every where else, the priority is how to deal with this crisis over coronavirus. back to you. thank you for that. we are getting reports
that the treasury was deep—cleaned overnight before the budget. you may think that happens all the time, but it doesn't. an official‘s partner tested positive for the coronavirus, but the official themselves doesn't have the virus, but is self—isolated. officials have been told they can work from home, that means they're home now watching us. so hello, treasury officials. we are talk to talk aboutjohnsing economics. —— johnson economics, talk to talk aboutjohnsing economics. ——johnson economics, is there such a thing. billions of pound, £2 billion more. 3.6 billion. we wa nt pound, £2 billion more. 3.6 billion. we want to turbo charge. boris johnson says he wants to turbo charge the economy, but when it comes to the detail of what that all means, we still have much to learn. which begs the question — means, we still have much to learn. which begs the question - what is johnson economics. johnson economics. did i get that wrong?
early indications are this a prime minister ready to spend... boosting... on the nhs and police and tra nsportnd infrastructure. boosting... on the nhs and police and transportnd infrastructure. now he wants to enhance his reputation as boris the builder. behold this brick. and there is a new catch phrase. we need to level up. level up. levelling up. levelling up means that everything feels they benefit from the economic boom that they feel left them untouched. it is not just spreading the wealth and not through the tax system. but spreading opportunity and the sense of ambition. he told the cabinet he sees himself as a brexit hezza. following the foot step of the man
who believed in state intervention to revive regions like liverpool, inspired by the one nation conservatism. it is not throwing money at the problem. i want to know how he intends to do it. he loves things that are lasting and that transform lives and cost a lot, but they're an invest: the cabinet has given high speed rail the green signal. the slogans of politicians in elections are a long way from the reality of what you have to do if you're going to govern a country in a one nation context. would you welcome a phone call from him? let's live in the real world the more the prime minister wishes to level up, the more he will have to level up, the more he will have to spend. so will he relax the fiscal rules. borrowing is cheap and
i think boris johnson fiscal rules. borrowing is cheap and i think borisjohnson would be aware that now is as good a time to borrow if you're using the money to invest. the indications are it will be a borrowing government. i'm a sceptic, as someone who says you with borrow your way out trouble. my advisor trying to avoid my eye. boris johnson is a journalist and a politician and a classicist, not a financial expert. he is keen to actually listen to advice. what are the experts likely to advice him him? he advocates low taxation, but not above everything else. he thinks the state should take as lit of an individual‘s money as possible. but he has to counter with that with the desire to spend. so johnson economics. what is the verdict? smiechlt so far it has been a
general election strategy. we see a massive commitment to spend more, and a considerable concentration of that money on the north.” and a considerable concentration of that money on the north. i don't think it is possible to define johnson economics yet. if we look at margaret thatcherism, that evolved over her time in office. it is a curious, but fascinating combination of thatcherite good house keeping with keynesian ambitions to spend things only governments can do. there you are. the sun reports that fuel duty will be frozen for the tenth year in a row. it is notjust reporting that, it is crowing it. i guess the sun wouldn't report it if it didn't think it had won that. johnson economics, was talked about
in terms of infrastructure, of course that is part of it. but i would say there is another part too, which wasn't covered, which i would call a blue collar conservativism and prioritising taking people out of national insurance, rather than cutting the marginal rate income taxes of high earners and rises in the minimum wage, rather than balancing current spending. that is just as important to this project as investment? yes aside from the economic detail, there is a political ambition that boris johnson holds to change the political map. either bring back conservative voters who may have voted for margaret thatcher, but fell away, that working class... essex man it was called. . he wants essex man it was called. . he wants essex man it was called. . he wants essex man and northumberland man. and even the odd woman. well there
isa gendergap. and even the odd woman. well there is a gender gap. but he wants to create a sense where people who voted tory for the first time, or maybe for the first time in a long time, feel they have got something to show for it in their pocket and from what they can see in their town ortheir from what they can see in their town or their city by the time of the next general election. i think it was interesting that there wasn't agreement on what johnson economics would be, that is two things. firstly it is too early to say and it is not ideological. he is not an ideological signed of politician.” covered the first margaret thatcher budget on a programme called nationwide with sue lawley. no one talked about thatcherism. what i suggest is that business cannot be sure that in every area this is the kind of probusiness tory government it may have expected.” kind of probusiness tory government it may have expected. i think that is an understatement. i'm famous for that. the relationship between the
government and business has been different than during the heseltine and the margaret thatcher years. there is a suspicion in some parts of government of the corporatist nation of business and it is not, the benefits of ten year expansion we have seen have been unevenly shared out and therefore the free market economics with little state intervention, that model has gone out of window and it is a different relationship. i was speaking to some business leaders and what they're hoping is this coronavirus situation, which is dominating the headlines and the budge elt, will be a moment for working groups to get together and experts to get back involved, despite what michael gove said, an opportunity to say, we know how to help you fix this, bring us back inside the tents, a tent they felt outside for a long time. the other thing, for almost ten years,
budgets have been dominated by borrowing, debt and the deficit and the need to get that down. that is almost going out of the window now i would suggest. that the size of deficit no longer seems to be so important. the financial times today, a treasury briefing saying the latest thinking will reflect the latest international thinking. the imf and the oecd and others are saying that a time of very ultralow interest rates, deficits don't matter as much. the presumption is they will stay low. they have been low for some time. so that is a big call. we don't want to think about if that call is wrong. let's assume it is right. the plan, and it is big, infrastructure, you have got to find what levelling up means. they don't want to define it. the chancellor said it was a feeling
that things were not going right for your region. but does it mean levelling up incomes? or levelling up levelling up incomes? or levelling up public investment? a bit. if they we re up public investment? a bit. if they were to use the definition of levelling up, a per capita definition and apply to that transport, you're talking of 40 billion and a lot for the midlands and the south west. are we saying, it is profound, that london has got too much investment? we have to go over to the commons for prime minister's questions. mr speaker, we need to build more homes on brownfield sites, but we also need to make sure that the houses we have got are of a decent standard. in an estate across my birmingham
constituency, kings norton, willie castle, we need to make sure that those estates have decent homes, so does the prime minister agreed with me that by improving homes it would level up the economy and deliver for working—class like mine? level up the economy and deliver for working-class like mine? my honourable friend is spot on and he shall be hearing more about that in half an hour's time, but he's right we should be building on brownfield sites and building the beautiful homes that people actually want. mr speaker, our thoughts are with the loved ones of those who have sadly died after contracting the coronavirus and those who are still suffering from the disease, including the honourable memberfor mid bedfordshire. iwant including the honourable memberfor mid bedfordshire. i want once again to pay tribute to our medical staff who are working so hard to combat the spread of this disease and care for those affected. and i think we should all express our gratitude to the chief medical officer and the chief scientific advisor who have shown exceptional leadership throughout and we will continue to follow their advice. sunday was
international women's day, a day when we celebrate the achievement of women around the world and recognises the advances made in working towards a goal of gender equality and most importantly reflects on how far we have to go to achieve that. a quarter of social ca re achieve that. a quarter of social care workers who are overwhelmingly women are on zero—hours contracts and it is important that care workers self—isolate if they experience symptoms of coronavirus but many might feel they have no choice but to continue working. will the prime minister finally choice but to continue working. will the prime ministerfinally bringing emergency legislation to guarantee sick pay a 40 hours workers to help contain the spread of the virus? —— for workers on zero—hours contracts. i know the house will wish to join the honourable gentleman in wishing my honourable friend the minister for mental health a speedy recovery andi for mental health a speedy recovery and i know that having talked to her, i know she will make one, and i
know a letter has been issued to eve ryo ne a cross know a letter has been issued to everyone across the parliamentary estate and as you say, we will be guided by public health england in our response to this situation, and they are also providing guidance to honourable members and to their offices. and as the right honourable gentleman knows, in just offices. and as the right honourable gentleman knows, injust a offices. and as the right honourable gentleman knows, in just a few minutes we will be hearing from my right honourable friend the chancellor about what measures we are taking to protect everyone and as he knows, we have already brought forward statutory sick pay to day one, but for those on all types of contracts one, but for those on all types of co ntra cts we one, but for those on all types of contracts we will ensure that they will get the protection that they need and nobody who does the right thing by staying at home is penalised. i hope that legislation comes rapidly and it does guarantee that people don't have to make a choice between spreading the virus because they have to go to work or
staying at home and self isolating as they should do if they have the symptoms. can the prime minister explain why according to a report by the institute of health equity life expectancy has gone down for the poorest women in our society? overall life expectancy stands at its highest level, but i... and it's tribute to the consistent work of this government and others but it's absolutely true there are too many insta nces absolutely true there are too many instances into many parts of the country where we are seeing a life expectancy rising in the way we would not like, and it's true there are would not like, and it's true there a re parts of would not like, and it's true there are parts of this country where one in 50 pregnant women are smokers and there are parts of the country where only one in four pregnant women are smokers and what we want to see is a uniting and levelling up across this whole country. that is why we are putting record songs, £i2 whole country. that is why we are putting record songs, £12 billion, into public health and that is why
this is the party of the nhs that is now putting record investment into our nhs precisely for that purpose. i don't think the prime minister a nswered i don't think the prime minister answered my question. and it's no surprise that life expectancy has gone down when 86% of the cuts made by successive tory governments have landed disproportionally on the shoulders of women. we are one of the richest countries in the world and it is mind boggling that life expectancy should be falling in this country. for the poorest poor people in our society, life expectancy is falling. the government should have an answer to that. mr speaker, the prime minister supports the absolutely horrendous rape clause in the child tax credit rules. why does he think it is right that 200 mothers have to prove to the government that their child was
conceived as a result of being raped so they can keep their child tax credit? mr speaker, iwant so they can keep their child tax credit? mr speaker, i want to correct the point he has just made, it is i'm afraid the case, as has been revealed in the last few days that mortality is at its lowest level in this country since 2001. and on his point about the recipients of the benefit, it is obvious that he draws attention to the injustice and we will do everything we can to rectify it. what i would hope that means the prime minister will introduce regulations to end the two child policy the benefit strategy because thatis policy the benefit strategy because that is exactly what when victims of rape have to prove they have been raped in order to get benefits for their child. 50 years ago, the labour minister barbara castle
introduce the equal pay act, but women are still paid 17% less than men and under this government the gender pay gap is estimated to take another 60 years to close. why hasn't the prime minister followed labour's lead and set a target for closing it by 2030? not only are there now record numbers of women in employment in this country, but the gender pay gap is at a record low. and it was this conservative government that made sure that companies had to report on the gender pay gap. a 17% gap, it is too big, too wide and should be closed and the government should do something about it. mr speaker, every fortnight, three women are killed by their partner or ex partner. domestic violence is only likely to increase of large numbers of people are having to self—isolate. ten years of austerity
has denied councils the funding they need to support victims of domestic abuse. will he commit to the extra 173 million needed every year to ensure that survivors get the support they so desperately need? we have just put record funding back into councils to support them in all of their responsibilities and we are committed, and when he talks of domestic abuse, we have committed to bringing forward a victims law to guarantee victims rights and this government has an outstanding record of tackling violence against women and girls, and that is why we are taking forward in this parliament our landmark domestic abuse bill. without funding the bill will simply bea without funding the bill will simply be a piece of paper, there has to be funding to ensure that those who are victims of domestic violence get the support they need in the centres
they need that are underfunded by his government. the prime minister has made repeated offensive remarks against single mothers and their children. yes. and he described them as ill raised, ignorant, aggressive and illegitimate. against muslim women saying they look like bank robbers. against working women, suggesting the best way of dealing with advice from a female colleague is just to pat her on the bottom and send her on her way. words have consequences. his offensive words are backed up with offensive and discriminatory policies from the rape clause two dismantling local services which women, particularly disabled and bame women disproportionally rely on. can the prime minister apologised for his offensive comments and ensure that these discriminatory policies are reversed by his government? mr
speaker, i am reversed by his government? mr speaker, iam proud reversed by his government? mr speaker, i am proud of what this government has done to promote the rights of women and i am proud we have a record number of female mps in our party today. i am proud that this is the only party that has produced two female, not one, two female prime ministers. wouldn't it be an extraordinary and amazing thing if that party were to produce a female leader of their own? don't hold your breath. and i will take no lessons in sexism from a party where good women, good female mps are bullied out of their party. just because they've had the guts to stand up against the climate of anti—semitism in the labour party. my anti—semitism in the labour party. my right honourable friend the prime minister i know is a great champion of the countryside and farming and the great benefit has in producing
high animal welfare food and the amount of carbon that is held in the soil and amount of carbon that is held in the soiland in our amount of carbon that is held in the soil and in our manifesto we stated on page 57 that in our trade negotiations we will not compromise our high environmental protection and animal welfare and food standards. will the prime minister meet with me and other colleagues in rural farming constituencies to discuss how to support farmers and growers in trade deals to provide more opportunities to produce even more opportunities to produce even more food and high animal welfare. my more food and high animal welfare. my honourable friend is right. we will not compromise on animal welfare or food standards and hygiene. i'm only too happy to meet him and his fellow farmers to discuss the opportunities ahead. thank you, mr speaker. as the numbers infected by the coronavirus
grows the level of public concern naturally grows with this. last week the prime minister gave a firm reassurance that no one would be financially penalised for following health advice. and yet, still millions of self—employed workers have been left in deep uncertainty as to what financial help they will be given if they are forced to stop working. in this house, mr speaker, we are in a privileged position. we will not be financially worse off. millions of workers are not in that privileged position. they may be forced to rely on social security forced to rely on social security foran forced to rely on social security for an extended period because of this virus. so, for the record, can the prime minister tell me what the statutory sick pay rate is in ireland compared to his uk government? mr speaker, it's not my duty to comment on the pay rates of other countries but what i can tell the honourable member, which he knows very well, that we are under
this government have already advanced statutory sick pay to day one and we will make sure that those one and we will make sure that those on universal credit and other benefits will make sure they get them from day one and if he can contain his impatience for a moment, the chancellor will tell him what we will be doing to protect everybody in this society make sure they are not penalised for doing the right thing. let me try and help the prime minister. and perhaps inform him of the detail. in ireland, in response to the coronavirus, the government has just raised their statutory sick pay to the equivalent of £266 per week. this covers those employed and those in self—employment. in germany and austria, it is £287. in sweden, it is 230. in the netherlands, 201 and in spain121. it is 230. in the netherlands, 201 and in spain 121. where as in the
uk, prime minister it is a meagre £94.25. prime minister, up to 80% of people across the uk could face infection in the weeks and months ahead and many of them will be forced to rely on statutory sick pgy- forced to rely on statutory sick pay. if the prime minister is truly committed to levelling up, a good place to start must be statutory sick pay. will he take the opportunity to stand up to and commit to raising the uk payment to the average eu level? as i think most members of the house understand, the uk is distinct from many other countries around the world and certainly the eu and we have a universal free health system, free at the point of delivery, we have an extensive benefit system free for people across this country and our health system is very well managed and very well prepared for this academic and i congratulate eve ryo ne this academic and i congratulate everyone in the nhs for making the
preparations that they have —— prepared for this epidemic. i visited burnley hospital to see a demonstration of an advanced surgical robot, that is a leap forward in health provision, does the prime minister agree that technological advances in the nhs is paramount to provide the best care and will he work to keep burnley at the cutting edge of the revolution? yes, that is why my right honourable friend the health secretary and are are determined to advance robot technology in the nhs and have put in 200 billion and in his area, it is receiving over £500 more, an increase of 5%. a month ago i asked the prime minister about his plans to tackle the crisis in recruiting overseas consult ants to work in the
nhs, the prime minister claimed it is devolved when it is an issue for the home office. can the prime minister today confirm exactly what steps he is taking to ensure that overseas consultants will apply for visas. i can't remember what i said last time, we have introduced a fast track nhs visa. question no 7 on war widows. mr speaker my right honourable friend has made this point and honourable friend has made this pointandi honourable friend has made this point and i heard from the war widows about their concerns. the ministry of defence is looking at what can be done to provide meaningful support to those who have lost their loved ones. given that the previous defence secondary sought and was refused permission from the treasury, to help the
estimated 265 war widows whose pensions were cancelled when they remarried and can be permanently restored only by their going through a divorce and remarriage to their second husband, will the prime minister personally meet moira kane and mary moreland to put an end to this deplorable and dishonourable situation? mr speaker, the mod is looking at this very problem and i'm conscious of the the issue that he raises has been raised with me and i have asked my right honourable friend the secretary of state for defence to meet the chairman of war widows association to discuss what we can do. mr speaker, last week the
actor riz ahead released an album and film the long goodbye about the heartbreak of british minorities, where hate crime is rising. these are the concerns of muslims in my constituency. i urge members of the house to watch it. could the prime ministerand house to watch it. could the prime minister and for once without hiding behind the robes of his muslim ancestors or the fig leaf that his ex—chancellor and the cabinet provided him or resorting to the tit—for—tat deflection of the serious issue that is anti—semitism, 300 complaints of islamophobia in his party, can he assure me what he is doing to assure british muslims that their prime minister is not an
islam phone? there is no room for hatred or racism in our party. i wish i could say the same for her party. what about the news that he and carrie are expecting their first child. all parents want the best start in life for their children w the uk lagging behind the rest of the uk lagging behind the rest of the world, in the number of diseases that we test, genetic test, we only test for nine conditions, do you agree with me and will you support my campaign calling for a review of the new born baby screening programme? she raises an important point and programme? she raises an important pointand i'm programme? she raises an important point and i'm glad this screening for babies with will be evaluated
for babies with will be evaluated for inclusion in screening, but the health secretary said he is willing to meet her to discuss further what screening, how screening could be improved. further to the questions posed by my right honourable friend of the snp, policy in this country is his responsibility, so what is h egoing to do to help the self—employed in the coronavirus crisis? i'm gratefulto self—employed in the coronavirus crisis? i'm grateful to the honourable gentleman and what we are going to do is ensure nobody is penalised for doing the right thing. everybody has access to the benefits and the support they need and if he will contain himself, the chancellor will contain himself, the chancellor will be setting out more in just a minute. will the prime ministerjoin with me in congratulating the mighty loughborough swim team for their five gold medal haul last month. the
swimmerses are the epicentre of sporting excellence. having worked with luff oughborough youth on the olympics, i know their reputation andi olympics, i know their reputation and i have no hesitation in congratulating loughborough swimming tea m congratulating loughborough swimming team on her behalf. can the prime minister explain to me why he is so unpopular in scotland, he has lost half the scottish mps. support for independence is at an all time high. is it because he thinks he can say no toa is it because he thinks he can say no to a nation, or because the blustering buffooneryjars with the scottish people? i notice that support for breaking up the union is declining actually in scotland.
maybe that is because they have a scottish nationalist party in charge that has the highest taxes anywhere in the united kingdom and is failing scottish children in their schools and that is not running the scottish health service in the way that it should and maybe his bluff and bluster is covering up for the abject failures of snp government. and maybe the snp should stick to the dayjob. and maybe the snp should stick to the day job. as the country that brought railways to the world, what plans does my right honourable friend have to celebrate their 120th birthday and he does he stand with the people in darlington to re vent the people in darlington to re vent the removal of locomotive no 1. the people in darlington to re vent the removal of locomotive no i.” congratulate my honourable friend and the people of darlington for the
role they have played in our railway history and i will do what i can to support his campaign to prevent darlington to be despoiled of that iconic locomotive no 1. before christmas, luton food bank issued 339 food parcels. child poverty in luton has risen to a shameful 46%. so while luton's unemployment rate may be going down, more people are in low paid, insecure jobs. would the prime minister agree it is u na cce pta ble the prime minister agree it is unacceptable that families are in work, but children are growing up in poverty and will he commit to ending poverty and will he commit to ending poverty pay? well not only are we cutting national insurance contributions for everybody, whatever their pay, but of course we are also lifting up the national living wage by the biggest ever
increase, which will benefit people across the country to the tune of £4,000 a year. this is a one nation government looking at the needs of the poorest families in this country. my right honourable friend makes the case for birmingham, but in the west midlands over 31,000 new homes have been built since we had a new mayor, slashing his target of 25,000. the majority have been built in brownfield sites. will the prime minister support me to ensure we keep the focus on the regeneration of brownfield sites?” keep the focus on the regeneration of brownfield sites? i congratulate andy street on what he is doing and his record, it is always the conservatives who build the homes and this house will be hearing more injusta and this house will be hearing more injust a few and this house will be hearing more in just a few minutes about what we intend to do to give everybody, every young person, the chance to own their own home. in this current
financial year, this government has redistributed funding meant for veterans charities. this has resulted in severely reduced service by combat stress, a renowned mental health charity serving veterans suffering from post—traumatic stress disorder. it has meant a reduction of 24 to 10 beds in our residential unit in my constituency and the loss of 50 jobs. will the prime minister show his support fort veterans by initiating a review of this redistribution of this critical funding to stop those lives changing and life—saving services being lost? the honourable gentleman is right to raise the issue of veterans and their needs and that is why this government appointed a minister for vetera ns government appointed a minister for veterans and a task force, a special
unitand he veterans and a task force, a special unit and he will be hearing more in just a few minutes about what steps we intend to take to protect and promote the rights of veterans. would my right honourable friend agree this budget is a historic moment to level up our economy and ensure that everyone has the opportunity to succeed. especially in stoke—on—trent? opportunity to succeed. especially in stoke-on-trent? mr speaker, stoke—on—trent is the crucible in which the future of this country is going to be forged and could not have a more valiant advocate and i agree with what he said. it is vital that the funds announced today are distributed effectively to the businesses and self—employed people affected by coronavirus. but the banks must fulfil their responsibilities as well. businesses are telling me that some banks are shoring up their balance sheets at
the expense of their business customers and their work worse. so will the prime minister make sure that banks which were bailed out be i the taxpayer now play their part in supporting businesses and their workers in their hour of need? well, the honourable gentleman raises an important point and he will have seen what the governor of the bank of england has done to the cost of borrowing today, but the chancellor will indeed be meeting the banks to ensure that they look after the interests of all our people. rural areas like my constituency are at the bottom of the tile with broadband and mobile phone signals. can my honourable friend confirm the deal with mo bile phone providers will boost this across the country. yes and she will hear something to her advantage in a few minutes. this
morning a range of expert mental health organisations, including the royal college of psychiatrists have called for an inquiry into failures in the social security system. a family in my constituency lost their husband and father to suicide in similar circumstances and they want answers. so when will the prime minister enstrubgt such an inquiry —— instruct such an inquiry to listen to those families and the experts? there are some hard cases and some very tragic outcomes. i know the secretary of state for woushg work and pensions is looking at that and i'm happy to work with the honourable gentleman to make sure such tragic cases, the family's needs are met. over the past five
years, salaries in dudley have risen faster than anywhere. will the prime minister work with andy street to ensure the west midlands continues to get the investment in skills and infrastructure it needs to power the midlands energy? i don't think i can be accused of anticipating the budget, when i say there will be a infrastructure rove luges infrastructure rove luges infrastructure revolution in is in country that will benefit the west midlands. statutory sick pay is among the lowest in europe and less than £95 a week, if the prime minister doesn't think he would live on it he shouldn't expect our constituents to live on its. i urge him to introduce decent sick pay.
i answer the honourable gentleman earlier on and i will make sure that people will be protected through this outbreak and no one is penalised for doing the right thing. can the prime minister agree with me that the great southwest offers a fantastic opportunity to become the first region to notjust become a net zero, but net negative, and can he assure me this will be a top priority in the levelling up agenda? there are already 400,000 jobs in the economy in this country. and this country will play a leading role in the green revolution of the future. a limited company in my constituency is working in partnership with lockheed martin to build a sustainable space economy in shetland. can the prime minister give me assurance that the very welcome government support for the space industry will be allowed to follow what is the best commercial and technical options and that companies like lockheed martin are
the people best placed to make these judgments? mr speaker, we will of course be guided by the best scientificjudgments in all of these things and i can confirm it is our firm determination to have a second spaceport in scotland and we are looking for candidates to send into orbit, mr speaker. today is the 15th annual day in memory of victims of terrorism across europe. next week my constituency will commemorate the 27th anniversary of the ira terrorist attack in my town which killed two children. over the last quarter of a century of the peace foundation, based in warrington, has worked tirelessly to provide the national support service for victims of terrorism in great britain. will the prime ministerjoin with me in commending their work and ensuring that their funding continues?” certainly commend the work of all those who work in the warrington
peace centre and we will certainly do everything we can to ensure that the funding continues.” do everything we can to ensure that the funding continues. i associate my party with the good wishes for the honourable member for mid bedfordshire and indeed anyone who has contracted the coronavirus, and on coronavirus, can i welcome the fa ct on coronavirus, can i welcome the fact that the government is listening to experts. but mr speaker, given the nhs has to face the coronavirus challenge with a record shortage of nurses and care sector with over 120,000 record shortage of nurses and care sector with over 120 , 000 vacancies, does the prime minister not agree that the three conservative government since 2015 should have fixed the roof when the sun was shining? well, i seem to think he was in that government, but leaving that point on one side, there are now actually a record number of doctors and nurses in our fantastic nhs. there are 8700 more nurses this
year than last year, and we are recruiting another 50,000 more and he will be hearing more about what we are doing to support the nhs in just a minute. we now come to a presentation of bill. that brings us to the end of prime minister's questions and we will move onto the budget now. the chancellor was sitting the prime minister throughout, and there was a little technical change that takes place on the floor of the commons. the speaker stands down because for the hearing of a budget the whole chamber becomes a sort of finance committee, known as the committee of ways and means and that is chaired by eleanor laing, the first ever female chair of the committee of ways and means, and she is now in situ and it has been a seamless change as lindsay hoyle used to be the chair of the committee and were used to see him chair the budget meetings, so in a moment we will hear from the chancellor. it looks
like a hear from the chancellor. it looks likea number of hear from the chancellor. it looks like a number of references were made by the prime minister is a budget coming up, including an interesting one we can expect to hear a lot about housing and we haven't heard too much about that in the run—up to the budget and there might be more planning laws change to allow more building to take place. the prime minister also boasted that this would be the infrastructure government, but we've heard that before as well. we now expect to get some of the details at least in this budget. not all, because there is another budget coming, but let's stick with this one. the chancellor of the exchequer. madam deputy speaker. i want to get straight to the issue most on everybody‘s mind, coronavirus covid—19. i know how worried people are, about their health, their loved ones, theirjobs, their income, their businesses, their financial security. and i know they get even
more worried when they turn on their tvs and hear talk of markets collapsing and difficult times coming. people want to know what is happening and what can be done to fix it. what everyone needs to know is that we are doing everything we can to keep this country and our people healthy and financially secure. we are clear that this is an issue above party. we will do right by you and your family issue above party. we will do right by you and yourfamily and i know i will have the support of the whole house as i say that. this house has a lwa ys house as i say that. this house has always stood ready to come together, put aside party politics and act in the national interest. we have done so before and i know we will do so again. my right honourable friend, the prime minister, alongside officials and scientists is leading
the work on the public health response. today, iwant the work on the public health response. today, i want to set out our economic response so we bring stability and security. let me say this. we will get through this together. the british people may be worried but they are not daunted. we will protect our country and our people. we will rise to this challenge. but let me also say, yes, this virus is the key challenge facing our country today. but it is not the only challenge. we have just had an election where people voted for change. change in our economy, changing our public services, change in the cost of living, change in our economic geography. this budget delivers on that change. yes, as we
deal with coronavirus it is a budget that provides for security today, but it is also a plan for prosperity tomorrow. it is a budget that delivers on our promises to the british people and the budget of a government that gets things done. madam deputy speaker, before i set out the details of our plan, let me first thank members who have contributed to the discussions on how to respond to coronavirus. members from both sides of this house. our economy is robust, our public finances are sound. our public finances are sound. our public services are well prepared. my public services are well prepared. my right honourable friend the health secretary is working around the clock to protect the public health. and i will do whatever it ta kes to health. and i will do whatever it takes to support the economy. first, let me explain the nature of the
economic challenge and my overall strategy. the challenges this. there is likely to be a temporary disruption to our economy. on the supply side, up to one fifth of the working age population could need to be off the work —— off work at any one time and business supply chains are being disrupted around the globe. this combination of people being unable to work and businesses being unable to work and businesses being unable to access goods will mean that for a period our productive capacity will shrink. there will also be an impact on the demand side of the economy through a reduction in consumer spending. the combination of those effects will have a significant impact on the uk economy. but it will be temporary. people will return to work. supply chains will return to normal. life will return to normal. for a period,
it's going to be tough. but i'm confident that our economic performance will recover. so, given this analysis of the situation, let me set out our strategy to deal with it. we can't avoid a fall in demand because the primary driver of that reduction in consumption, the primary reason people are not spending as normal is because they are following doctor's orders to stay—at—home, so the right immediate policy response is to provide security and support for those who get sick or cannot work. that is through funding our public services and a strengthened safety net. and on the supply side, the right response is to provide a bridge for businesses, to ensure that what is a temporary impact on our productive capacity does not become permanent. in other words, our response will be
temporary, timely and targeted. this is the right response and that the right time. that response is clearly and closely coordinated with the bank of england. the governor and i have been in constant communication about the involvement —— evolving situation and our responses have been carefully designed to be commentary and to have maximum impact, consistent with our independent responsibilities. the governor set out this morning the actions that the bank will take to help uk businesses and households bridge across the likely economic disruption. a 50 basis point reduction to increase cash flow and competence. the destruction —— insta nt competence. the destruction —— instant —— the creation of a release of the bank rate to the real economy and a counter cyclical buffer to further support the ability of banks to supply credit. the government's response will use fiscal action to
support public services, households and businesses. together we are taking action that is coordinated, coherent and comprehensive. and let me now set out our three point plan. first, whatever extra resources our nhs needs to cope with coronavirus it will get. so whether it is research for a vaccine, recruiting thousands of returning staff or supporting our brilliant doctors and nurses, whether its millions of pounds or billions of pounds, whatever it needs, whatever it cost, we stand behind our nhs. second, during this immediate crisis, if people fall ill or can't work, we must support their finances. we will make sure that our safety net remains strong enough to fall back on. my right honourable friend of
the prime minister has already announced that statutory sick pay will be paid from day one rather than day four. with the assistance of my right honourable friend the work and pensions secretary, we can go further. statutory sick pay will also be available for all those who are advised to self—isolate, even if they have not yet presented with symptoms. and rather than having to go to the doctors, you will soon be able to attain a sick note by contacting 111. of course, not everybody is eligible for statutory sick pay. there are millions of people working hard who are self—employed or in the gig economy. they will need our help as well. so, to support them during this period, we will make it quicker and easier to access benefits. those on contributory employment and support allowa nce contributory employment and support allowance will be able to claim from day one instead of day eight. and to
make sure that time spent off work due to sickness is reflected in your benefits, i am also temporarily removing the minimum income floor in universal credit. and i am relaxing the requirement for anyone to physically attend a job centre. everything can be done by phone or online. taken together, these measures on esa and universal credit provide a boost of almost half £1 billion to our welfare system. and to further support our people, i am also creating a £500 million hardship fund distributed to local authorities who will be able to use that fund to directly support vulnerable people in their local area. so in total, that is a £1 billion commitment to support the financial security of our people. but, madam deputy speaker, the best
way to support people is to protect theirjobs. and we do that by supporting our businesses, the third pa rt supporting our businesses, the third part of our plan. the measures i've announced today on statutory sick pay are crucial to support those who need to take time off work, but that cost would be borne by business. and if we expect 20% of the workforce to be unable to work at any one time, the cumulative cost would hit our small and medium—sized businesses hard. so, in recognition of these exceptional circumstances, today i am taking a significant step. for businesses with fewer than 250 employees, i have decided that the cost of providing statutory sick pay to any employee of work due to coronavirus will for up to 14 days be refunded by the government in full. that could provide over £2
billion for up to 2 million businesses. this will significantly ease the burden on businesses but we can do more. i have asked hmrc to scale up the time to pay service, allowing businesses and the self—employed to defer tax payments over an agreed period of time. starting today, there will be a dedicated helpline with 2000 staff standing ready to help. although time too pay is important, it will be the case some good, well run businesses will face problems with cash flow and may struggle to pay salaries, pay their bills or buy stock. they will need loans to get through this period. today, i'm announcing a new temporary coronavirus business interruption loa n coronavirus business interruption loan scheme. banks will offer loans of up to £1.2 billion to support small and medium sized businesses. the government will offer a
guarantee on those loans, covering up guarantee on those loans, covering up to 80% of losses with no fees, so banks can lend with confidence. this will unlock up to £1 billion of attractive working capital loans to support small businesses with more as needed. ta ken support small businesses with more as needed. taken together, i expect the combination of these measures to project the majority of businesses through the worst of the crisis. but i have two other measures that will use the tax system to support businesses through this. our ma nifesto businesses through this. our manifesto promised that for shops, cinemas, restaurants and music venues cinemas, restaurants and music venues with a rateable value of less than £150,000 we would increase their discount to 50%. today, i can go further and take the exceptional step for this coming year of abolishing their business rates altogether. but there are tens of
thousands of other businesses in the leisure and hospitality sectors not covered by this policy. museums, art galleries and theatres, caravan parks and gyms, small hotels and sports clubs, nightclubs, guest houses, they would not benefit from today's measure. but they could be some of the hardest hit. so for this year, i have decided to extend the 100% retail discount for them as well. that means any eligible retail leisure or hospitality business with a rateable business below £51,000 will pay no business rates whatsoever for the next financial year. that is a tax cut worth £1 billion, saving each business up to £25,000. and it means over the next 12 months nearly half of all
business properties in england will not pay a penny of business rate. i'm also launching a review to be concluded in the autumn into the long—term future of business rates. even with the temporary extension of retail discount, many of our smallest businesses already pay no business rates, so would not benefit from this policy. so to support them to manage their fixed from this policy. so to support them to manage theirfixed costs, i'm going to go a step further. i'm providing to any business currently eligible for the small business rates relief a £3,000 cash grant per business. this is a £2 billion cash injection direct to 700,000 of our smallest businesses. let me summarise for the house the fiscal impact of our immediate response to coronavirus. taken together the
extraordinary measures i've set out represent £7 billion to support the several employed, businesses and vulnerable people. to support the nhs and other public services, i'm also setting aside today a £5 billion emergency response fund and i will go further if necessary. those measures are on top of plans i will set out later in the budget which provide an additional fiscal loosening of £18 billion to support the economy this year. that means i'm announcing in total a £30 billion fiscal stimulus to support british people, britishjobs and british people, britishjobs and british businesses through this moment. and of course if further action is needed, as the situation evolves, i hope the whole house knows i will not hesitate to act. i believe this represents one of the
most comprehensive economic responses of any government anywhere in the world to date. the governor of the bank of england and i are in contact with our counter parts around the world and i'm making new funding of £150 million available for the imf relief ef norths —— efforts. coronavirus will have a significant impact on our economy. but it will be temporary. i will do whatever it takes to get our nation through it. i'm acting today with a multibillion pound commitment, more money for our nhs, more generous sick pay, faster er access to sick pay and grants for businesses. and if more is needed, i will take it. i know all member of the house will
wa nt to know all member of the house will want to give this plan their full support. before i turn to the economic forecast i hope the house willjoin me in thanking the office for budget responsibility and robert chote in particular. after ten year, i was this is his last budget in charge and he has led the obr with sbeg integrity. let me turn to the growth forecasts. since the obr closed their forecast it has become clear the spread of coronavirus will have a significant impact on our economy in the coming quarters. but given that the nature of the sho is temporary i want to set out the forecast for the medium term. before coronavirus, we were facing a slowing world economy. there has
been across developed economies, a decade long slow down in productivity and this with the political uncertainty of the last three years which affected business investment in particular, has led the obr to downgrade our productivity and to reduce gdp growth, compared to the march 2019 forecast. but we will act here with a response that is brave and bold, taking decisions now for ourfuture prosperity. we are investing in world class infrastructure and to lead the world in the industries and technologies of the future. the centraljudgment i'm technologies of the future. the central judgment i'm making technologies of the future. the centraljudgment i'm making today is to fund an additional 175 billion pounds over five years for our future prosperity. the obr have said asa future prosperity. the obr have said as a result of the plans i'm announcing, combroufrt growth will
be half a percentage point higher. the gdp forecast without accounting for the impact of coronavirus would have led to growth of 1.1% in 2020, 1.8% in 2021 and 1.5, 1.3 and 1.4% in the following years. today, the obr have made an estimate they have never made before, they have said in their words, that today's large planned increase in public investment should boost potential output too. if future governments have the same determination to continue our approach, the uk's long—term productivity will increase by 2.5%. the obr have confidence in the long—term future of the economy. more investment and higher growth mean morejobs more investment and higher growth mean more jobs and more investment and higher growth mean morejobs and higher wages. we
already have more people working than ever before. women's employment is ata than ever before. women's employment is at a record high and since 2010, full—time weekly wages have grown higher than in london. the obr expecting half a million people more will be in work by 2025. wages are expected to grow in every year of the forecast period. the story of this government has been the story ofa this government has been the story of a nationaljobs miracle. and given the last few weeks i have had, i'm all in favour ofjobs miracles! on inflation... on inflation, the obr forecast 1.4% this year. increasing to 1.8% next year and then for the rest of the forecast period remaining on or around target. i'm sure the whole house willjoin me in taking the opportunity to thank mark carney,
the governor of bank of england for his seven years of public service and he watch him on his new role as finance advisor and welcome his successor, who takes uch his post on monday. let me turn to the fiscal forecast. the economic impact of coronavirus reminds us of the importance of fiscal responsibility. our public finances are strong. with the deficit down from 10% in 2010 to less tha n the deficit down from 10% in 2010 to less than 2% last year. our economy is well prepared for the future and it is well prepared, because of ten yea rs of it is well prepared, because of ten years of conservative—led governments and conservative chancellors. and i too will always act responsibly with the nation's finances. but it is important that we up date our fiscal framework to remain at the leading edge of international best practice. our
economic security depends on maintaining the following, low and sta ble maintaining the following, low and stable inflation, delivering price stability, fiscal sus stainability and effective institutions like the bank of england and the obr. these features for our framework will a lwa ys features for our framework will always be protected. but there is a live global debate about what our low interest rate environment means for fiscal strategy, about the case for fiscal strategy, about the case for fiscal strategy, about the case for fiscal policy to play a more active role in stabilising the economy and about the best way to measure productivity enhancing investment, such as human capital or measuring value on the public balance sheet. i want the take time to consider these questions over the coming months. so that our fiscal framework allows us to make the right long—term decisions for our economic security and prosperity. i will review the fiscal framework, consulting widely, with a range of experts and will report back in the autumn ifi
experts and will report back in the autumn if i conclude any changes are necessary. but at the same time, credibility comes as much from what we do as what we say. we were elected on a manifesto that promised to meet a specific set of fiscal rules. today's budget is about delivering our promises. and that is why despite the speculation, today's budget is delivered notjust within the fiscal rules in our manifesto, but with room to spare. i'm setting the amount the government will spend within those rules as well. today, the obr report a budget surplus in every one of the next five years and in 2022 we have space of nearly £12 billion. the obr forecast borrowing will increase from 2.1% in 1920, to
2.496, will increase from 2.1% in 1920, to 2.4%, 2.8% rgs and then falls to 2.596, 2. 2.496 2.4%, 2.8% rgs and then falls to 2.5%, 2. 2.4% and 2.2% in the following years. the forecast that headline debt will be lower at the end of the parliament, falling from 79. 35% to 79.2% in 2025. i'm sure the house will understand that given how urgently we have developed our economic response to the coronavirus, that package of measures has not yet been captured in the forecast and nor have the fiscal impact of the bank's actions, but the target year for our fiscal rule is not until 2023. within our current framework i have the flexibility to act as required over the next two years. as we enter a period of challenge, we start from a position of strength. the economy growing. morejobs.
position of strength. the economy growing. more jobs. higher wages. sta ble growing. more jobs. higher wages. stable inflation. sound public finances. we promised to manage our economy responsibly, we are getting it done. this budget responds at scale to the immediate threat of coronavirus. and it reports on an economy whose foundations are strong and it is a budget that provided for security today, but let me now outline our plan for prosperity tomorrow. this is the first budget ofa tomorrow. this is the first budget of a new decade. the first in almost 50 yea rs of a new decade. the first in almost 50 years outside the eu. and the first of this new government. at the election we said we needed to be one nation. while talent is spread, opportunity is not and we need to fix that. this is a budget that will deliver on our promises and the budget of a government that get
things done. we promised to get brexit done, and we got it done. we promise to help hard—working families keep more of what they earn. this budget gets it done. we promise to back businesses to innovate, invest and trade. this budget gets it done. we promise to invest in science and research. this budget gets it done. we promise to deliver green growth and protect our environment. this budget gets it done. we promised to deliver new railways, homes, broadband. this budget gets it done. and, yes, we promised record funding for our nhs and public services. this budget gets it done. this government delivers its policies and gets things done. madam deputy speaker, our plan for prosperity starts immediately by putting more money in peoples pockets. it was a conservative government that in 2016 introduced the national living wage
giving peoples lowest paid workers the biggest pay rise in 20 years and injust three the biggest pay rise in 20 years and in just three weeks' time around 2 million workers will see their wages rise again by 6.2%. for a full—time worker, that's a pay rise of almost £1000, the biggest cash increase ever. but we have promised to go further. today we are publishing a new remit for the independent low pay commission and they now have a formal target that as long as economic conditions allow, by 2024, the national living wage will reach two thirds of median earnings. on current forecast that means a living wage of over £10 50 per hour. we promised to end low pay and we are getting it done. and as people earn more, we will cut taxes on their wages. i am more, we will cut taxes on their wages. iam increasing, injust four weeks' time, the national insurance threshold from £8,632 up to £9,500.
that is a tax cut for 31 million people, saving a typical employee over £100, and taken together, our changes to the national living wage, income tax and now national insurance means that someone working full—time on the minimum wage will be more than £5,200 better off than in 2010. the conservatives, the real workers party. i can also confirm that now we have left the eu that i will abolish the tampon tax. from january next year there will be no vat whatsoever on women's sanitary products and i congratulate all members and right honourable members who campaign for this, including the former memberfor who campaign for this, including the former member for dewsbury who led the charge. now let me turn to duties. scotch whisky is a crucial industry and our largest food and drink exports. my scottish
conservative colleagues, including my honourable friend the member for moray, have highlighted me the impact that the recent us tariffs are having. we will continue to lobby the us government to remove these harmful tariffs. but in the meantime, i'm announcing today £1 million of support to promote scottish food and drink overseas and £10 million of new research and development funding to help distilleries go green. and to further support the industry i can also announce that this year the planned increase in spirits duty will be cancelled. madam deputy speaker, pubs are at the centre of community life. pubs are at the centre of community life, but too many have closed over the past decade. we are already promising to introduce a business rates pubs discount of £1000 for small pubs but i've heard calls from
many honourable and right honourable members, including my honourable friend the member for dudley south, that we need to do more, especially given the possible impact of coronavirus on our pubs. so today, i can announce that exceptionally for this year, the business rate discount for pubs will not be £1000, it will be £5,000. and i'm also pleased to announce that the planned rise in beer duty will also be cancelled. and because of decisions are taken elsewhere in this budget, iam also are taken elsewhere in this budget, i am also freezing duties for cider and wine drinkers as well. for only the second time in almost 20 years, thatis the second time in almost 20 years, that is every single one of our alcohol duties frozen. madam deputy speaker, i have heard representations but after nine years of being frozen, at a cost of £110 billion to the taxpayer, we can no longer afford to freeze fuel duty.
i'm certainly mindful of the fiscal cost and the environmental impacts. but i'm taken considerable steps in this budget to incentivise cleaner forms of transportation, and many people still rely on their cars. so i'm pleased to announce today that for another year, fuel duty will remain frozen. compared to 2010 plans, that is a saving of £1200. mud and debris speaker, wages up, national insurance cut, the tampon tax abolished, spirits duty frozen, beer duty frozen, wine and cider duty frozen, fuel duty frozen. we promise to cut taxes and the cost of living, and we got it done. madam deputy speaker, as conservatives we know that to put more money in peoples pockets we need a thriving private sector. that is what drives growth and creates jobs and lives living standards. so the second part
of our plan is to unleash the power of our plan is to unleash the power of businesses. businesses need help to start and export. today i provide 130 million of new funding to extend start—up loans, £200 million for the british business bank to invest in scale ups. another £200 million for life scientists. more money for growth pubs and 21 cities with british library business support, £5 billion of new export loans for business and dedicated trade envoy is representing the north, midlands, wales and the west of england and our embassies around the world. madam deputy speaker, businesses also need a fair tax system. we were invest —— elected on a manifesto that promised to renew and reform entrepreneur really. i have completed that review and here is what we are going to do. entrepreneur relief is expensive and ata entrepreneur relief is expensive and at a cost of over £2 billion a year,
ineffective with less than one in ten claimant saying the relief was an incentive to set up the business and unfair with three quarters of the cost going to just over 5000 individuals. just because it is called entrepreneurs relief, it is not mainly entrepreneurs who benefit. all these reasons i have heard representations i should com pletely heard representations i should completely abolish it. the institute for fiscal studies have criticised it and the resolution foundation called it the uk's worst tax break andi called it the uk's worst tax break and i am sympathetic to the argument. but at the same time we shouldn't discourage those genuine entrepreneurs who do rely on the relief. we need more risk—taking and creativity in this country, not less. so i decided not to fully abolish it today. instead i will do what the federation of small businesses called a sensible reform and reduce the lifetime limit from £10 million down to £1 million. 80% of small business owners are u naffected of small business owners are unaffected by today's changes. those
reforms save £6 billion over the next five years and i am giving almost all of that money straight back to business through three additional measures. the research and development expenditure credit will be increased from 12 up to 13%. a tax cut worth £2400 on a typical r and d claim. the structures and building allowance will be increased from 2% up to 3%, giving an extra £1300 of relief if you are investing ina building £1300 of relief if you are investing in a building worth £10 million. and to cut taxes on employment i will deliver our promise to increase the employment allowance by a third, to £4000, and that is a tax cut available for nearly half a million small businesses, another step towards a dynamic low tax economy that we want to see. madam deputy speaker we promise to cut taxes on business, we are getting it done. madam deputy speaker, to help our
businesses lead the next generation of high productivity industries, we also need to invest now in the technologies of the future. we are a country of newton, hodgkin and turing and is a history filled with ideas, invention and discovery. and it is truly a national history. the first stea m it is truly a national history. the first steam railway ran between stockton and darlington. the first television was invented by a scot. a welshman invented the first hydrogen fuel cell and jocelyn bell burnell, born in northern ireland, discovered the first radio pulsars. to compete and succeed over the next decade and beyond, we need to recapture that spirit, so the third part of our plan for prosperity is to invest in ideas. madam deputy speaker, in our ma nifesto, ideas. madam deputy speaker, in our manifesto, we made a promise to double investment in research and development to £18 billion. i would not be doing this today, instead i will increase investment in our andy
to £22 billion per year —— r and d. the largest and fastest increase in randd the largest and fastest increase in r and d spend ever. as a percentage of gdp, it will be the highest in nearly 40 years, higher than the us, china, france and japan and a major step towards our target of increasing public and private investment in r and d to 2.4% of gdp and we won't wait to get started. next year, funding will grow by 15%, the fastest year—on—year growth on record. detailed allocations of our investment in ideas will be set out at the spending review but i can make some announcements today. i'm investing £1.4 billion in our world leading science institute at weybridge where, as we speak they are working to analyse samples of coronavirus. to secure our leadership in the technology of the future i'm investing over £900 million in nuclearfusion, space and electric vehicles. and as we invest
in ideas, we are also changing the way we fund science in this country. ican way we fund science in this country. i can confirm we will invest at least £800 million in a new blue skies funding agency here in the uk modelled on the extraordinary us model. and as we invest in ideas, we are changing where we fund science in this country. today, half of r and dfunding in this country. today, half of r and d funding goes to london, the east and south—east of england. so we are investing £400 million of new funding into high quality research with much of that incremental funding going to our brilliant universities around the country and we promise to make this country one of the scientific research centres of the scientific research centres of the scientific research centres of the world, and we are getting it done. madam deputy speaker, there can be no lasting prosperity for our people if we do not protect our planet. so the fourth part of our planet. so the fourth part of our plan for prosperity is to create the high skill, high wage, low carbon jobs of the future. to level up with
com pletely jobs of the future. to level up with completely new industries in our regions and nations, to raise our productivity and lift our quality of life even as we cut our emissions. the treasury's net zero review will set out the government's strategic choices ahead of cop26 later this year. today's budget takes the first steps. first we will increase taxes on pollution. electricity is now a cleaner any —— energy form than gas but the climate change levy paid by companies taxes electricity at a higher rate. so is another step towards equalising the rates and encouraging energy efficiency, from april 2022, encouraging energy efficiency, from april2022, i encouraging energy efficiency, from april 2022, i am freezing the levy on electricity and raising it on gas. i will support the most energy intensive industries to transform into net zero by extending the climate change agreement scheme for a further two years. to tackle the scourge of plastic waste, we will deliver our manifesto promise to introduce a new plastic packaging
tax. from april 2022, we will charge manufacturers and importers £200 per tonne on packaging made of less than 30% recycled plastic which will increase the use of recycled plastic and packaging by 40%, equal to a carbon saving of nearly 200,000 tonnes. let me now turn to red diesel. the red diesel scheme allows selected users to pay duty ofjust over 11p per litre for diesel compared to almost 58 p per litre for everyone else. but the sectors using red diesel are some of the biggest contributors to our air quality problem, emitting nearly 10% of the noxious gases polluting the airof our of the noxious gases polluting the air of our cities like london. this isa air of our cities like london. this is a tax relief on nearly 40 million tonnes of carbon dioxide every year, the same as the entire population of london and greater manchester taking a return flight to new york. it's
been a 2.4 billion tax break for pollution that has also hindered the development of clean alternatives. soi development of clean alternatives. so i will abolish the tax relief for most sectors. that is the right thing to do, but i recognise it will bea thing to do, but i recognise it will be a big change for some industries. so, firstly, this change will not ta ke so, firstly, this change will not take effect for two years giving businesses time to prepare. secondly, i have heard the concerns about agriculture, particularly from the nfu, rural colleagues and indeed the nfu, rural colleagues and indeed the memberfor sherwood. soi so i have decided that agriculture will retain the relief. i'll also keep the relief for rail, for domestic heating and there will be no impact on fishing. we will consult over the summer with other sectors, and thirdly, to help
develop cleaner alternatives to red diesel and other fossil fuels, we will more than double r&d investment in the energy programme to £1 billion. as well as taxing pollution, we will invest and cut taxes on clean transport. we are introducing a comprehensive package of tax and spend reforms to make it cheaper to buy zero or low emission cars, vans, motorbikes and taxis. we are investing £300 million in tackling nitrogen dioxide emissions in towns and cities across england and we are investing £500 million to support the roll—out of new rapid charging hubs so drivers are never more than 30 miles away from being able to charge up their car. taken together, this budget invests £1 billion in green transport solutions. many members will have seen the devastating impact of the recent floods on homes and businesses. and particularly the member more barnly
east, the members for calder valley and ludlow. i can announce today i'm making £120 million available immediately to repair all damages, all defences damaged in the winter floods. to support those areas that have been repeatedly flooded, i'm providing £200 million of funding to local communities to build their flood resilience and to protect people and over 300,000 properties, i'm doubling our investment in flood defences over the next six years to 5.2 million. we are supporting natural habitats like woodlands and ican natural habitats like woodlands and i can confirm to protect, restore and expand these habitats and ca ptu re and expand these habitats and capture carbon, we will provide £640 million for a new nature for climate
fund. over five years we will plant around 30 thousand hectares of trees and restore 35 thousand of peatland. this government intends to be the first in history to leave our natural environment in a better state than we found it. i can make one further announcement on green growth, car concapture one further announcement on green growth, car conca ptu re is one further announcement on green growth, car concapture is the technology where britain with lead the world and we will invest at least £800 million to establish two or more new carbon capture store age clusters that will store millions of tonnes of carbon dioxide. it will create up to 6 thousand high skill jobs in areas like humberside and
merseyside and it is levelling up in action. greenjobs, betterflood defences, cheaper electric vehicles, new technology, we promised to protect our environment, we are getting it done! we, as a party, know that talent is evenly spread in our country, but opportunity is not. and we have the put that right. we need to build the infrastructure to lay the foundations for a new century of prosperity and grab the opportunity to upgrade, to improve to enhance and level up that starts today. with the next part of our plan. as we get britain building. over the next five years, we will invest more than £600 billion in our future prosperity. public net investment will in real terms be the
highest it has been since 1955. take the average amount we have invested for the last 40 years, we are tripling it. capital budget in 2024 alone will reach over £110 billion. i will set out the details allocations at the spending review, but i'm taking three steps today. first, we are going to change the whole mind set of government. to make sure economic decision—making reflects the economic going if geography of the country, we are reviewing the treasury green book and will have treasury announces in scotla nd and will have treasury announces in scotland and northern ireland and we will open a new campus in the north with over 750 staff from the treasury, the department of be business and trade and we won't stop there. our ambition is to move 22,000 civil servants outside central london. second, because of
this changed mind set, we will invest more in our nations cities and towns. the budget provided an extra £640 million for the scottish government, £360 million for the welsh government and £210 for the northern ireland executive. i'm announcing £242 million of funding for new city and growth deals, taking our investment to more than £2.7 billion. we have agreed a new devolution deal in west yorkshire with the elected mayor for the reg and to make sure that notjust londoners who benefit the transport deals that helped tfl, the new west yorkshire mayor will get new london—style funding settlements worth £4.2 billion. these settle m e nts worth £4.2 billion. these settlements are in addition to the
city fund which will invest over a billion in local transport in 12 further cities, including stoke, preston, derby, nottingham and southampton. third we are going to build broadband, railway, roads, if the country needs it, we will build it. today's budge provides £5 billion to get broadband into the ha rd est to reach billion to get broadband into the hardest to reach places and now investment into the shared rule phone network and in five years, 4g coverage will reach 95% of the country and let me thank my right honourable friend the culture secretary, who will get this done. we're also going to build better railways. with spades going into the ground for hs2, our commitment to funding fora ground for hs2, our commitment to funding for a new station at cambridge south and the midlands rail hub. darlington station moving
to the next stage of development and funding to make a dozen stations more accessible. and there is more money for our roads too. today, i'm announcing the biggest ever investment in strategic roads and motorways over 27 billion of tarmac. that will pay for work on over 20 connections to ports and airports and over 4,000 miles of road. i'm also announcing investment in local roads and new 2. 5 billion pothole fund. that is £500 million each year, enough to fill by the end of parliament 50 million potholes. the details of all these schemes will be published later today and i thank the transport secretary for all his efforts. our ambition is truly national. the a417, the a428, the
a46, unclogging manchester's arteries and freeing the traffic north of newcastle and something my colleague will be pleased to hear, we are protecting beautiful villages in the welsh borders, as we build the bypass and we promise to get britain moving and we are getting it done. there is one more road i would like the mention. one of our most important regional arteries. it is one of the projects symbolising delay and obstruction, governments have been trying to fix it since the 19805. have been trying to fix it since the 1980s. every year, millions of cars crawl along it in traffic. ruining the backdrop to one of our most important historic landmarks. so to the many members who have campaigned for this moment, i say this. the
a303, this government is going to get it done! today, we have announced the biggest programme of public investment. £27 billion for strategic roads and a new major for west yorkshire and investment in each region and nation of our united kingdom, we promised to get britain building, this budget is getting it done. only by having a plan for prosperity will we grow the economy. only by having a growing economy can we invest in our public services. and only by investing in our public services, the people's priority, can we send a clear message tho those who rely on them, you are our priority. our public services are one of the most important tools by
which we the government can level up and spread opportunity. so that no matter who you are, or where you we re matter who you are, or where you were born, you will have every chance to succeed in our modern economy. and that starts with education. we have already provided schools with a three year settlement worth over £7 billion. the education secretary is taking the forward our plan to increase per pupilfunding by an average of over 4%. today, i'm providing every region in the country with funding for specialist 16 to 19 maths schools, 25 thousand a year on average for each secondary school to investment in the arts and £8 million for the football foundation to build new pitches for around 3,000 people and to support families i'm provided £2. 5 billion
to fund research to help family hubs. i want to take the opportunity to pay trib tribute to the member for brops grove. broms broef. he is passionate about levelling up further education. he increased funding for 16 to 19 education by £400 million. today, i can secure his legacy with 1.5 billion of new capital over five years to improve the condition of our fe estate. we are getting it done! i have one final education announcement. i talked today about britain being the country of scientists, investors and engineers, but we are also the
country of shakespeare and austin and our greatest export is our language, our greatest asset is the exchange of debate and ideas and our responsibility is the education of our young people. a world class education will help the next generation thrive and nothing could be more fundamental to that than reading. and yet digital public ation are subject to vat. that can't be right. i'm abolishing the reading tax. from the 1st december, books, newspapers, magazines, however they are read, will have no vat charge. there will be no vat on historical fiction by hilary mantel or text books or works of fantasy like john mcdonnell‘s economics for the many!
the irony is it sold so few it is his own little red book! our second priority is to make sure people have affordable and safe housing. today, i can make good our promise to extend the affordable homes programme with new settlement of £12 billion. it is the largest investment in affordable housing in a decade. to support local authorities, i'm cutting interest rates on lending for social housing by 1%. making available more than a billion pounds of discounted loans for local infrastructure. i'm
confirming nearly 1.1 billion of allocations from the housing infrastructure fund to build nearly 70,000 homes in areas of high demand. a new 4 hundred million fund for ambitious mayors to build on brownfield sites. tomorrow the housing secretary will set out reform to bring our planning system into the 21st century. the challenge is most acutely felt by those with no home at all. so today i'm confirming 650 million of funding to help rough sleepers. that will buy up help rough sleepers. that will buy up to 6,000 no places for people to live, enable a step change in support services and help us meet our promise to end rough sleeping in is in parliament and to fund the measures, i'm confirming today that our manifesto promise to introduce a
new stamp duty surcharge for non—uk residents will be introduced. i have one further measure to announce on housing. two and a half years on we are still grappling with the tragic legacy of grenfell tower. last year we allocated £600 million to remove u nsafe we allocated £600 million to remove unsafe aluminium composite material from high—rise residential buildings. today, i go further. expert advice is clear that new public funding must concentrate on removing unsafe materials from high—rise residential buildings. so from today i am creating a new safety fu nd from today i am creating a new safety fund for buildings worth £1 billion. that is what the experts have called for, that is what the select committee have called for and even what the opposition have called for. that new fund will go beyond
dealing with acm to make sure all u nsafe dealing with acm to make sure all unsafe combustible cladding is removed from every private and social residential building above 18 metres high, and my right honourable friend the housing secretary will spearhead our efforts to make sure developers and building owners do theirfair developers and building owners do their fair share developers and building owners do theirfair share as well. developers and building owners do their fair share as well. madam deputy speaker there is no more cherished public service than our nhs and for whatever resources the nhs and for whatever resources the nhs needs to deal with coronavirus, it will get. it is right that we ask eve ryo ne it will get. it is right that we ask everyone to contribute to a thriving health service. business benefits from our nhs so as promised in the ma nifesto, from our nhs so as promised in the manifesto, the corporation tax will not be cut this year but will remain at 19%, still the lowest rate in the 620. at 19%, still the lowest rate in the g20. migrants benefit from our nhs and we all want them to do so but it's right that what people want out
they have to put in. there is a surcharge already but it does not properly reflect the benefits people receive, so as promised in our ma nifesto, receive, so as promised in our manifesto, we are increasing the immigration health surcharge to £624 with a discounted rate for children. to raise further funds for the nhs, i'm announcing a package of measures today to clamp down on aggressive tax avoidance, evasion and noncompliance, including extra funding for hmrc to secure £4.4 billion of additional revenue. in those extra contributions allow me to ta ke those extra contributions allow me to take three further steps to support our health services. first, mental health support can be critical for many people. and particularly for our veterans. thanks to the campaigning from my honourable friend the member for wolverhampton south west and the right honourable member for wolverhampton south west and the right honourable memberfor north essex, i will be supporting veterans with mental health needs with a £10
million donation to the armed forces cove na nt fu nd million donation to the armed forces covenant fund trust, and i'm also confirming today to encourage employers to provide veterans with job opportunities, we will introduce a new national insurance relief. second, i have listened to concerns from all sides of this house that the pensions tax system is preventing doctors from taking on more hours. to significantly reduce the number of people that the tapered annual allowance effects, i am increasing both taper thresholds by £90,000, removing anyone with income below £200,000, and because of their vital work for the nhs, that will take 98% of consultants and 96% of gps out of the taper altogether. at the same time, and reducing the minimum annual allowa nce to reducing the minimum annual allowance to £4000, which will only impact those with incomes above £300,000. this is a £2 billion
commitment to support our hard—working doctors. commitment to support our ha rd—working doctors. let commitment to support our hard—working doctors. let me turn now to the overall funding settle m e nt now to the overall funding settlement for the nhs. we've already provided the nhs with a record funding increase, £34 billion over five years, the record funding increase, £34 billion overfive years, the biggest record funding increase, £34 billion over five years, the biggest cash increase in public services since the second world war. today i can go further. i can announce over £6 billion of new funding in this parliament to support the nhs. that new money will deliver 50,000 more nurses, 50 million more gp surgery appointments and work starting on 40 new hospitals. you heard that right, 40 new hospitals. we promised to back the nhs, and this budget gets it done. i have one last point to make about public services. we have now left the eu and we promise to get brexit done and we got it done. we promise to regain control of the money we send to brussels and for
the first time ever today's ob are forecast shows that the billions of pounds we would have sent to the eu can now be spent on our priorities. today i am launching the next spending review to conclude injuly, setting out detailed spending plans for the parliament. let me set out for the parliament. let me set out for the parliament. let me set out for the house how new totals for public spending on public services. the obr have said that today's budget will be the largest sustained fiscal boost for nearly 30 years. next year, day to day departmental spending will grow at the fastest rate in 15 years. over the spending review period it is set to grow at the fastest rate since 2004, an average growth rate in real terms of 2.5 -- 2.8%, average growth rate in real terms of 2.5 —— 2.8%, twice as fast as the economy, which means by the end of the parliament day—to—day spending on public services will be £100 billion higher in cash terms than it is today. more police, safer
streets, more nurses, better health care, more teachers, better education. madam deputy speaker, the house now knows what the electorate already knows, the conservatives are the party of public services. madam deputy speaker, we are at the beginning of a new era in this country. we have the freedom and the resources to decide our own future, a future where we unleash the energy, inventiveness and creativity of all the british people, and a future where we look outwards and are confident on the world stage. that starts right now with our world leading response to the coronavirus. this is a budget delivered in challenging times. we will rise to this moment, we will get through this moment, we will get through this together. this budget delivers security today, but also lays the foundation for prosperity tomorrow. this is just the start. over the next few months, we will tackle the
big issues head—on from our national infrastructure strategy, to social ca re infrastructure strategy, to social care and further devolution. this is the budget of a government that gets things done. creating jobs, the budget of a government that gets things done. creatingjobs, cutting taxes, keeping the cost of living low, investing in our nhs, investing in our public services, investing in ideas, backing business, protecting our environment, building roads, building railway, building colleges, building railway, building colleges, building houses, building our union. a budget that delivers on our promises. a people's budget from a people's government, and i commend it to this house. cheering so the chancellor sits down and he spoke for over an hour and his speech was packed with announcements, and the spending plans didn't make it clear where all the money was coming from but i think we'll be hearing a lot about
the b word, borrowing, and there will be a huge increase to pay for a lot of this. he has certainly splashed the cash on every thing from more money for the nhs, to roads, to research and development and various tax cuts and freezing of taxes such as the fuel levy. it was a huge budget in terms of its content and it will take a lot of unpicking, and we are already starting to do that, but before that we will hear from the leader of the opposition and we will get his response in just opposition and we will get his response injust a minute. above all, he began with a massive injection into the economy to cope with the economic impact of the coronavirus and he said that these measures taken together would amount toa30 measures taken together would amount to a 30 billion stimulus to support the economy during the current crisis. and the nhs would get whatever it takes in funding in order to deal with it and there were various order to deal with it and there were various measures order to deal with it and there were various measures for people who might lose theirjobs or be laid off or have to take sick leave and so on and all sorts of money, he said,
would go there and that they would continue to be able to finance that for the foreseeable future. it was in many ways reminiscent of a gordon brown budget. lots of money being handed out in various directions. certainly far removed from the austerity budgets that we have been used to, certainly up until recent yea rs used to, certainly up until recent years from this conservative government as we wait forjeremy corbyn, and we will go straight to the commons when we get him, let's show you some of the big headline starting with the coronavirus. actually, we will go straight to jeremy corbyn. let's go back to the chamber. thank you, madam deputy speaker. the coronavirus outbreak is an emergency, so i speaker. the coronavirus outbreak is an emergency, so i want to make it clear that we will have to work together, all of us, to meet this head on and to overcome it. but we will only overcome this virus because of the dedication of our nhs
staff, carers and public servants. the steps the government has announced today to head off the economic impact of the coronavirus are obviously welcome, but i have some points i wish to raise. we have to be straight with people. it's going to be much tougher because of the last ten years of deeply damaging and counter—productive cuts to all of our essential public services. we are going into this crisis with our public services on their knees. and as today's figures confirm, with a fundamentally weak economy, which is now flatlining, with zero growth, even before the impact of coronavirus. today's budget was billed as a turning point, a chance to deliver. in particular on the promises made to working class communities during the general election. but, it doesn't come close. the government's boast
of the biggest investment since the 19505 is frankly a sleight of hand. it is in fact only the biggest since they began their slash and burn assault on our services, economic infrastructure and living standards in 2010. and having ruthlessly forced down the living standards and life chances of millions of our people for decades, the talk of levelling up is a crueljoke. the reality is that this is a budget which is an admission of failure, an admission that austerity has been a failed experiment. it did not solve our economic problems, but made them worse. it held back our own recovery and failed even in its own terms. and today's measures go no near reversing the damage that has been done to our country. mr speaker,
madam deputy speaker, i am sure the whole house will wish the honourable memberfor mid whole house will wish the honourable member for mid bedfordshire well. many people are understandably very worried about the impact of coronavirus on their own lives. the government needs to be very clear what it is announcing and there are still questions to be answered about the government's response. what coverage is there for people on zero—hours contracts or those without a contract of employment beyond reforms to benefits? will statutory sick pay adjustments announced today be available to all workers from day one? what support will be made available for low—paid workers who don't meet the lower earnings limit for statutory sick pay? are there any plans to increase the level of statutory sick pay, which itself is actually scandalously low? will people who
are doing the right thing by self isolating continue to be punished with a five—week wait for universal credit payments? the benefit system can't be the only support for millions of workers not entitled to statutory sick pay. the crisis is exposing the vulnerabilities in our economy and our public services. when the 17,000 national health service beds have been cut, leaving 94% of the remaining beds full, when 100,000 people are forced to wait more than four hours on trolleys in a&e departments in january, more than four hours on trolleys in a&e departments injanuary, it is little wonder that people worry that the extra money from the —— for the health service is too little, too late. we only have a quarter of the intensive care beds per person that germany has. we don't have enough
ventilators to deal with a mass outbreak, or the people with the necessary training skills to operate those ventilators. across the national health service there are at this moment 100,000 staff vacancies. and moreover, public health budgets have been slashed by1 billion in recent yea rs. have been slashed by1 billion in recent years. what an irony? public health is based on the principle that prevention is better than cure. this government is providing money only after a serious outbreak is under way. we know that the most vulnerable people to coronavirus our older people. that is when we need a strong social care system. but social care is in crisis. there is an8 social care is in crisis. there is
an 8 billion funding gap since 2010. instead of the government presenting a social care plan, which the part—time prime minister told us was ready long ago, they are asking the rest of us to come up with ideas. underpaid care workers, a quarter of them on zero hours contracts, travel from house to house to provide care to elderly and sick people. it is a model that could scarily be better designed to encourage the spread of a virus. it is vital that the government doesn't wait, but comes up government doesn't wait, but comes up now with answers to ensure that ca re up now with answers to ensure that care workers do not lose out for staying away from work if they experience the symptoms. mr speaker, the chancellor shows not some, a lot of brass neck, when he boasts that measures to deal with coronavirus
are only pssible because of his pa rty‘s are only pssible because of his party's management of the economy. look outside, in the rest of the world, in the real world, we are still living through the slowest economic recovery in a century. our economy is fundamentally weak. ons figures show the economy is not growing, growth was 0.0% in the three months to january. 0.0% in the three months to january. 0.0% in the three months to the end of january. the prime minister might find this funny, those struggling don't. future growth has been downgraded yet again. from 1.4% to 1.1% this year. and that is before coronavirus has been taken into account. we have stalling productivity, flat lining business investment and wages of only just scrape past business investment and wages of onlyjust scrape past precrisis levels. none of this can be blamed
on coronavirus and it isn't all because of brexit either. it is because of brexit either. it is because they have failed on the economy. that failure has left us the most regionally unequal country in europe. investment spending more head in london is more than double that of the east midlands, and they talk about levelling up. but who pushed huge swathes of our country so low in the first place? it's conservative governments that have starved the country of investment for the past ten years, resulting in a 192 billion hole in infrastructure spending. what has that meant for people? it has meant bus services have been cut, there is patchy access to broadband. homes and businesses ruined, because of inadequate flood defences. the
chancellor expects plaudits for half filling the investment hole his party created in the first place. amid a blizzard of hype, he is claiming today marks the biggest capital injection since the 19505. but mr speaker, this is actually all smoke and mirrors, as a percentage of gdp, it only returns us to the levels we had before the conservatives slashed investment so drastically in 2010. given the challenge of the coronavirus crisis, we need a far—reaching reaction to ensure we are in the strongest possible to navigate the transition to new relationships with the eu and a post brexit economy. if if government wanted to level up, there
is only one thing they should be doing, a green industrial revolution. they would have a plan to kick start new green industries and create skilled jobs across our country. the climate emergency threatens our very existence. it demands we mobilise our resources on a massive scale. the environmental measures announced by the chancellor today get nowhere near that. the government has maintained the freeze on fuel duty, without lowering bus and railfares. on fuel duty, without lowering bus and rail fares. showing on fuel duty, without lowering bus and railfares. showing complacency about the emergency. young people will be dismayed at the lack of urgency to reduce our emissions. they see this as the conservatives once again putting the profits of big polluters and oil companies above people's safety and well being. and when the chancellor
announced with such aplomb a huge investment in road building, where is the environmental impact assessment being made of that policy? or the increased pollution that will come from increased car use and traffic across this country? mr speaker, today's budget confirms that austerity has not worked. even in its own terms. we have had a decade of decline. austerity has cost the uk economy almost £100 billion, according to the new economics foundation. but the tru true cost is bigger. i want to give an example. errol graham was an amateur footballer when he was young. by his mid 505, suffering from mental health issues, he had become reclusive, unable to leave
his flat in nottingham. terrified of the world outside. he couldn't attend his fitness for work assessment. so, because of the government's harsh and very uncaring attitude, his benefits were cut off. with no income forfood, he obviously began to go hungry. he wrote a desperate letter to his dwp assessor. judge me fairly, he wrote. it's not nice living this way. errol weighed four and a half stone when the bailiffs found his body inside his flat. he had starved to death in this the fifth richest country in the world. when the chancellor talks
about difficult decisions, the government took in imposing austerity, is he thinking of decisions to deprive errol of his income or people like errol, who are doing through such tra mas? —— traumas. the worst thing is austerity, all this suffering, has been a political choice, not an economic necessity. the party opposite continues to make the absurd claim that austerity was needed, because spending on school, hospitals and public services by labour somehow was the cause of the worldwide financial crash in 2008. a us senate report into the crash singled out two, two investment banks to blame. goldman sachs and deutsche bank. a few weeks ago, the prime minister turfed out one chancellor, who had previously
worked at deutsche bank. and replaced him with another one, who worked at goldman sachs. truly a government of the people! now, mr speaker, if one has to believe that austerity is over. but it is not true. according to the institution for fiscal studies it would take £54 billion of current spending this year, excludeing health and soesh ca re year, excludeing health and soesh care to get united back to 2010 levels. —— to get us back to 2010 levels. —— to get us back to 2010 levels. we have heard nothing of that scope from the chancellor. try telling local council, which face a further 8 billion black hole over this parliament that austerity is over. mr speaker, to end austerity and fund urgent action on the climate emergency, and our public services, we need a fair taxation
system. that means making the richest pay their share. but the government's changes to the national insurance threshold will actually mostly benefit higher earners. while those on lower incomes would be better supported by boosting wages and real social security. the income of the poorest fifth of family has fallen by 7% injust of the poorest fifth of family has fallen by 7% in just two years. and as the resolution foundation has said, this has been driven by policy choices. how can it be right that the 12 years after the bankers crashed the economy, the poorest 20% of the population are still being made to pay for it? while those at the top are being rewarded yet again. today, we learn they won't
even scrap entrepreneur's relief, a subsidy benefitting 5,000 people who make an average of £350,000 a year. ican make an average of £350,000 a year. i can only assume those who fund the conservative party have had a quiet word with the chancellor and told him to back off. creating a fair taxation system also means tackling taxation system also means tackling tax avoidance and evasion. how can we have confidence in this chancellor to clamp down on tax dodgers, when he worked for hedge funds that used the cayman islands had a business associate who engaged ina had a business associate who engaged in a multimillion pound tax avoidance scheme and have confidence when the government's big idea is a p pa re ntly when the government's big idea is apparently free ports, tax free zones, to i allow the superrich to dodge taxes. the last chancellor
resigned, saying that no self—respecting ministers could accept being controlled by advisors in no 10. the new chancellor accepted that control and now he has presented a day 27 days after taking thejob. can presented a day 27 days after taking the job. can i presented a day 27 days after taking thejob. can i through him and the chuntering prime minister pass on our congratulations, to dominic cummings on writing a budget so quickly. but what a let down it has been. when i first responded to a budget, austerity was in vogue and our demands for investment were dismissed. the public debate has shifted injust a dismissed. the public debate has shifted in just a few years. but there is a gaping chasm between the rhetoric of the conservative party and the reality of what they deliver. because the conservative party, whatever they say, will never stand up for working class communities. they will always, a lwa ys communities. they will always, always put the interests of their
wealthy friends first. the reality of today's announcements will become clear and the hard sell and the spin will fade and this budget will be seen to be a lost opportunity. a failure of ambition and a bitter disappointment to all those people who had been promised so much. from what we have heard today, they're actually going to see very little. order. call the chairman of treasury select committee. thank you. so that wasjeremy select committee. thank you. so that was jeremy corbyn's select committee. thank you. so that wasjeremy corbyn's response to the chancellor's budget. let's just to into a bit more detail. the striking thing about the budget is how much it adds to public spending. just
looking at some figures in the current year, another 18 billion, rising to 40 billion by the final financial year of this parliament. going up from 36, to 38 to 41 and almost 42. we are not clear how it will be financed, but it represents huge increases in public spending through this parliament. both for current spending, notjust through this parliament. both for current spending, not just for the public investment, the infrastructure investment, that the government has made so much of. let's look at where some of this money is going. £30 billion is in is fiscal stimulus to support the economy during the coronavirus crisis. that is to help small businesses and people on sick pay and so on. to help companies with cash flow and deferring taxes. 600 billion for infrastructure spending over the course of the parliament. a
big chunk of that was already in the plans. but the chancellor has announced more to be spent. business rates are to be suspended for a year for small businesses in retail, leisure and hospitality. that is an anti—coronavirus measure. fuel duty is frozen, along with alcohol duty. the chancellor was under pressure to increase fuel duty. i suspect the chancellor has looked at the experience of the french government and the gilets jaunes when they increased fuel duty in france. more headlines, the economy is forecast to grow by1.1% headlines, the economy is forecast to grow by 1.1% this year. rising to 1.8% in 2021. these are the obr forecasts, and do not take into account the coronavirus and so are probably already historical. 1.8 by
2021 would have been a punchy growth forecast and the environment today where most major economies other than america are struggling to get over 1%. forecast it to .1% of gdp in the current financial year, rising to just under 3% in the current financial year, rising tojust under 3% in in the current financial year, rising to just under 3% in 2021 to 2022 but the borrowing forecast do not take account of the raft of spending measured current and investment that the chancellor announced today. inflation forecasted to be about 1.4% in 2020, rising to1.8 in forecasted to be about 1.4% in 2020, rising to 1.8 in 2021, still below and it's at least a downturn on the horizon but the economies in greater danger of deflation than any
inflation, and of course this extra money the chancellor announces has consequences for scotland, wales and for the northern ireland executive who will all get their share of this extra spending. just coming back to the coronavirus and what the chancellor announced there, 1 billion to help those on benefits and the most vulnerable during this outbreak. businesses with fewer than 250 employers will see statutory sick pay refunded for a particular period and there will be statutory sick pay available for all of those asked to self—isolate, even if they do not have symptoms. this is part of the £30 billion antivirus package. on the infrastructure, the words of the government likes to talk about, 27 billion of strategic investment in roads and motorways that the government has announced an 5 billion for state—of—the—art broadband in the most remote areas. that was in the conservative
ma nifesto. that was in the conservative manifesto. not much talk before the budget about housing but the chancellor has announced a £12 billion programme for affordable homes, and a lot of that will go to social housing, not just homes, and a lot of that will go to social housing, notjust the councils, housing associations as well. and a very important development here, there will be a £1 billion safety fund to remove dangerous cladding from high—rise building. here we are taking a particular interest in that because we are broadcasting a film about how individuals did not have the money to re m ove individuals did not have the money to remove the cladding which is clearly a danger to them but the chancellor has come up with a response to that. a number of measures for business. £22 billion now in annual investment in research and develop in. that is government money into r&d, and the big companies have their own budgets for r&d and the chancellor boasted it would be the highest for some time
if not the highest ever in britain. entrepreneurs relief, you are thinking that conservative government likes entrepreneurs, if only the french had a word for entrepreneur. it's a lifetime limit going down from 1 million down to 10 million —— £10 million down to £1 million, as it will be concentrated on the not so wealthy and setting an example of this kind of blue—collar conservatism. and £3000 of cash gra nts to conservatism. and £3000 of cash grants to businesses entitled to small business rate relief. again, helping small companies who begin with will bear the brunt of the coronavirus crisis. on climate change, the chancellor announcing 1 billion investment for green transport solutions and a new plastics packaging tax introduced from april 2022 and this had been well trailed before as spending was to double on flood defences,
particularly for the north of england to over £5 billion and this will cover over 360,000 homes at risk of flooding. there will be a £640 million fund for protecting and expanding woodlands and peat bogs, should you so wish to expand peat bogs. some tax and benefit changes. the tampon tax has been a favourite of the brexiteers and they said they couldn't do it as long as we were in the eu but there will now be no vat on women's sanitary products from april onwards. vat on digital publications are scrapped from december and if you are a newspaper, there is no vat on print but there is there is no vat on print but there i5 vat there is no vat on print but there is vat if you subscribe digitally on the chancellor will get rid of that. that was a surprise. national insurance threshold, well trailed, you will now not stop paying
national insurance until you hit £9,500. at the moment it isjust a little over £8,600. and there is a 296 little over £8,600. and there is a 2% stamp duty surcharge for non—uk residents from 2021. so that gives you a flavour of this budget. by no means a comprehensive list, and there is more in it. let's go round to dissecting it. laura questioned what this is an enormous budget both in terms of the scale of the stimulus for the coronavirus and trying to stave off economic emergency with what could be health emergency. but also the boldness with which we saw a conservative chancellor make the case that borrowing huge amounts of money to spendin borrowing huge amounts of money to spend in the public realm and that to be the right way to look after the economy. year in recent times the economy. year in recent times the conservatives have argued the opposite to this. if we go back to 2010 this would have been the stuff of george osborne's nightmares but
today, we have seen a completely different approach and somehow the chancellor appears to be able to do this within the roles he set himself, in terms of his own self—imposed spending limits and we will look very carefully at that. we are not sure that is the case. exactly. politically it is bold, audacious and jeremy corbyn said it was brass neck but labour can say we told you so and you should have been doing this years ago but the government isn't going to be bothered about that. this is a huge budget and from a new chancellor who i have to say looked very nervous, and who can blame him, but by the end seems to be in his stride and very determined that he was really going to make a mark here. the eye—catching thing we talked about was what small businesses would do about the coronavirus threat and there was quite a lot in there. the most eye—catching for me was the idea that the government said four businesses with fewer than 250 employees, they would refund the entire cost of statutory sick pay
for a two—week period and that they say is up to £2 billion. they said they would beef up their time to pay hot so people are struggling to pay their tax bills, and there was an extension of a cut in business rates, small businesses with a rateable value of 51,000 on the premises were getting a discount of 50% but he has got it 100% and the icing on the cake, was a small business grant of up to £3000 from a cash giveaway. if this is not enough, have another £3000. that is a cash giveaway to businesses who are eligible for those small business rates relief and they cost about £2 billion as a cash injection and they think 700,000 small businesses will benefit so there's quite a bit on offer there and hopefully this will get them vast majority of small businesses through the worst of the challenges ahead. and it all depends how long it lasts. but they have certainly
responded with a big gesture and we will see if it is enough. faisal islam, this is a whole new macroeconomic framework, a whole new way of looking at tax and spend. two different budgets, simon was talking about, the coronavirus dinners package which in and of itself. that would have been a big one in rob itself there is this thing called a scorecard which adds up and at the bottom typically in this period where chancellors have not got budgets through, they have been small numbers, but this tops up to 175 billion over five years and 50 billion in the last two years in terms of the fiscal giveaway. is that capital and current? it is more current than capital which is more interesting and there were a few revenue races that offset that, intriguingly the brexit dividend as
the government because it but also the government because it but also the corporation tax promise. so that accumulates to 6 billion. the big thing is borrowing and we are talking over £100 billion a year extra in borrowing that was forecast than the stated forecast from three or four months ago. that is a huge numberand that or four months ago. that is a huge number and that question we have been asking in the studio for the past ten years, where is it coming from, it is coming from massive amounts of borrowing and the labour party is properly sick as a parrot looking at this although the plans we re looking at this although the plans were much larger, even this is that they have turned on a sixpence and making a different argument to the one they made the last ten years. the number of confirmed cases across the uk of coronavirus has risen to 466. that is quite a big rise in one day. the number of patients who have died after testing positive remains
unchanged at six. soak 370 cases, six fatalities connected to it. we wondered where the money was coming from and we pretty much know but it is the bond markets. well, certainly for the investment spending but this is very much in line with what was promised in the manifesto. they heard the promises on roads and all sorts of other things. the two big challenges for the government on that first to spend it that quickly because this really is record levels by uk standards. the only time we spend this amount before is when we had massive amounts of nationalised industries so in modern times this is the highest level. because going back to the 605 and 705, included investment in british steel, british leyla nd, investment in british steel, british leyland, the national grid and the energy companies. in a sense it's a
modern british state that will take it to its highest sustained level ever, essentially, so one challenge is to get that much out the door that quickly and the other is to make sure you spend it well. not all infrastructure spending is good spending. the other kind of surprise, that it wasn't really a surprise, that it wasn't really a surprise and that was well trailed, but the other surprise is that they appear to have been able to find significant additional spending for current spending, day—to—day spending on health in schools and those kinds of things. it looks like the obr has been more upbeat on the economy than they might have been expected to be, giving the benefit from. but before the virus business we we re from. but before the virus business we were talking about 2% growth. that is a big chunk. looking at the spending numbers big reduction on they are going to pay on debt
interest and a continued slide in the amount that the government has to pay for its borrowing which is helping, but it was striking listening to the chancellor saying that we are managing to increase spending at twice the rate of the growth of the economy, and that is obviously not something you can do forever, because in the end you can only do it in line with the growth in the economy, so he's taking advantage of some of these happy coincidences, particularly on debt interest. there is some money there... because interest rates are so low. and they have moved money from european union funding into the direct departmental zone. stick with us if you can, because we will now go tojesse us if you can, because we will now go to jesse norman, us if you can, because we will now go tojesse norman, the financial secretary to the treasury and he joins us from the palace of westminster. and we will asking some questions, and i will begin and feel
free to chip in, team. the obr at the moment on its forecast says that you can meet yourfiscal targets, your fiscal sort of constraints, self—imposed, the one you put in the tory manifesto, but once you've done all the spending, you can't do that, can you? i'm sorry? once you've done all the spending outlined with the coronavirus, you can't do that. no, i don't think that is true at all. you've got two aspects to the budget, the budget as was prepared and been under way for some time, and been under way for some time, and then you've got the overlay of the emergency measures on coronavirus and the obr has been placed in a difficult situation in that at some dew point he will have to work out what the overall stimulus effect was of the two of them together, but as presley set out, the obr are showing we will be able to borrow within the physical limits, and what's interesting is as
you might recall, there is a lot of spec elation beforehand that the chancellor would be jettisoning fiscal rules or rethinking them and he hasn't done that at all, he's played it straight by the book and the iss and others will want to look at the numbers, and that's absolutely right, but at the moment it looks like that is an affordable and sustainable package. ifs. you are playing by the book because you haven't counted everything. it's easy to do that if you haven't counted up the stuff the chancellor announced today. when the obr comes back to look at it will look at the stimulus effect as well as the actual cash effect and they will have to calibrate that through the scorecard, through that period and work out what the effects of that will be, and of course, paul would be the first person to agree that a reflation read budget does not look out of place at the moment giving all the other stranger on the world economy, euro zone growth, the coronavirus and the rest —— giving all the strains. for years you've been telling us we could not borrow
more and we had to burrow down and you are worried about the reaction of the bond market and that the people who lend us money might stop lending us money. and suddenly, all that has gone. suddenly it is spend, spend, spend. i don't think that is true. after 2010 there was a serious problem. the problem was we were borrowing unprecedently high amounts relative to the amount of money we were taking in. we were running a huge deficit and debt as a result of the effects of the financial crash was accelerating very fast. so the fundamental question there was, was the government in control of the national finances? and again, the government in control of the nationalfinances? and again, anyone around your table will confirm, that the problem with the 2008 crash was not so much it happened, but that the country was so over leveraged and the effects were catastrophic.
there was a period of remedying that and trying to take control of the national finances, and trying to take control of the nationalfinances, maintain and trying to take control of the national finances, maintain growth and of course astonishingly the country has had ten years of growth and the now is the time to start investing and these low interest rates m ea ns investing and these low interest rates means if we can build the right quality of investment, and thatis right quality of investment, and that is a serious issue to raise and one we will be looking at, then we should be able to use that money for profitable public and economic good. faisal? i'm interested that the net investment was a 3% limit that the previous chancellor set, this seems to bea previous chancellor set, this seems to be a target, 3% almost every year of the parliament. does that not represent a loosening of the target that you were elected on? it is already isn't a loosening, because the target is being met. it is true
it is an ambitious budget, that is for the reasons we have described, i think appropriately so. when you think appropriately so. when you think of the problem we have, the obr i5 think of the problem we have, the obr is scoring the government positively for an improvement in productivity. that is the biggest issue in the economic growth story of the next ten or 20 years. it says the obr that there is a 60% chance you won't hit your current spending fiscal rule, 60%. i mean, ithink robert chote, i recall him telling me that the obr can't stand by eve ryo ne me that the obr can't stand by everyone of its forecasts. that is it is overall judgment. everyone of its forecasts. that is it is overalljudgment. it doesn't reflect how policy may change. laura keunssberg season jeremy corbyn right to say you have a lot of brass neck, interest rates have been low for a very long time. its not sudden
the situation, it is not so long again theresa may said there was no magic money tree and you found a whole forest today? no, we have to separate what the spending effect is in current terms. and what the opportunity the government has identified is the capacity to go further in all these areas. the area i'm most excited about is the local roads settlement, it is notjust about potholes, but treating roads as an asset. and there are counties and cities up and down the country that will be rejoicing in this long—term approach. and an approach which i think will not encounter a lot of inflation, because local roads are not difficult to fix, they just need more investment. how would you describe the change, it is a significant change. the adam smith
institute said you were spending like drunk, sailorings. it is a change of approach. it is a different approach and we have seen change in our climatic conditions in the last two years and we have seen the last two years and we have seen the flooding and the effects of carbon and dirty air and all of those are sitting behind a desire to put an ambitious green package in front of people and transform by levelling up different parts of country. that is why we are investing in fe colleges. such an important and underregarded part. we have a good fe college in hereford in the college and it is a fantastic... investment and we will be able to benefit in that, as many other fe colleges will. in drawing
up other fe colleges will. in drawing up the budget, what assumption have you made about the length of the economic impact of the coronavirus? well, the chancellor said that this is designed to be a targeted set of measures at what he expects to be a temporary phenomenon. you know, i don't think anyone knows in a world of radical uncertainty how temporary it will be, and we have seen different feedback, as to how long it lasted, but the underlying the message, the government will look after people and keep them safe and protect from the economic effect is plain. if we need to sustain that, we will do that. simon jack? i wonder on the support for, following on that question, about the impact on that question, about the impact on small businesses, a number of measures which recognise that they are very vulnerable, a lot of people having asking me what about t self employed and given businesses will
be challenged this year, what help will you give them when they're facing preparation for what many will consider a hard version of brexit and they will have to hire customs agents and have additional paperwork, it is difficult to say to them at this moment, stop whingeing about that, get on with it. the government hasn't been saying that. we have been supporting small business. you will have seen the language about the reduction in business rates for retail and there are other measures on businesses affected by coronavirus. when you get to brexit, we have invested significantly in customs because we are trying to anticipate a demand that small businesses will need, who have traded with the eu and will wa nt to have traded with the eu and will want to continue doing so. as someone who wrote a book on adam smith, in some ways the founder of market economics, are you happy to
be in market economics, are you happy to beina market economics, are you happy to be in a government that is... about to embark on the biggest sustained growth in the size of the state? in recent times? i don't need to tell a scholar of adam smith such as yourself, what he thought. but smith was concerned, yourself, what he thought. but smith was concerned , as yourself, what he thought. but smith was concerned, as hume was, about debt and the effects of debt in the economy. but he was no... you're increasing debt. that is why i'm. .. and you're increasing the size of the state. that is why i'm mentioning it, sustainably. what is excited there are measures to level up excited there are measures to level up markets in a way that smith would have approved of. look at our digital services tax and entrepreneur's relief, removing it from people who have not been using it properly and look at the the investment in creating other public
goods, whether investment or science and technology, i think smith in a properfrugal and technology, i think smith in a proper frugal scots way would have approved 0. i was trying to get you to address the fact that the state will expands under your government. faisal. what happens to fixing the roof while the sun is shining? you have deficits that were tending down to zero, now sort of 3%, 2%, going out into the future. and at the same time, a plausible possibility of another shock coming if as your government policy suggests, we could get tariffs and no trade deal by the end of the year. 3% deficit, no trade deal, how is that looking to the international markets? well, there is no doubt that careful judgment has had to be exercised as to whether this was a sustainable package. but you have to look at the
alternatives, if you have an economy thatis alternatives, if you have an economy that is slowing down and not generating revenue and taxes on which public services rely, then of course you are running a risk and of course you are running a risk and of course you are running a risk and of course you have got the incidental risks associated with flooding and coronavirus and the wider trends of the eurozone. .. those coronavirus and the wider trends of the eurozone... those are. coronavirus and the wider trends of the eurozone. .. those are. you could have done this this some of the long—term investments take years. you could have done it two years og or three years ago when interest rates were still low f i do think is a widespread understanding that markets are funding us and having looked at the situation it is appropriate to take advantage of that. one thing you will need to look at when it come out will be the national infrastructure strategy which looks at how you can structure
and phase that investment so it is sustainable and makes the productivity gains we are looking for. thank you very much. paul johnson is still with us. if a government had tried to do this five, six, seven years ago, we would have said, the bond markets won't wear it, the bond vigilantes will get you. now nobody‘s saying that. the bond vigila ntes get you. now nobody‘s saying that. the bond vigilantes are dead. this money will be... borrowed and the markets will provide it. and they will probably be grateful that if you lend to the british government, you lend to the british government, you still get a positive yield on your investment. unlike germany? yeah, there is an interesting chart in the red book showing the gilt—year—old that the government has to pay for its debt, going down
over time and notjust in 2010, but since 2010. borrowing has got cheaper and cheaper. it is worth remembering that we have gone through in a sense phases of this with this government, so remember back to 2010, george osborne was saying, ok, to borrow to investment thatis saying, ok, to borrow to investment that is where we have got back with rishi sunak. he was investing less. except he is investing more. on these numbers, we are looking at a deficit knocking on for twice as big as forecast and bigger still compared with forecasts under george osborne. you said before the budget, if he wanted to do what h was on the cards, he would have to put taxes up. he is not doing that. the other thing we have to pick out in the obr document, government revenues are rising by 1% over five years, as spending is rising by 1%. so there is some extra money coming in
possibly associated with growth or associated with fiscal drag, but also some of the tax rises that you have seen there. so there is a sort of somewhere in there, there are some more tax revenues coming in. there are hints about environmental taxes, but for some viewers who have heard tory politicians saying this is reckless, if you're watching, should people think, this is risky, what are they doing or what is your view should people feel reassured?” think there are risks around spending the money sensibly. that is a lot of money to chuck out the door in building things and we don't a lwa ys in building things and we don't always get that right. i don't there isa always get that right. i don't there is a risk in the short run, because the interest rates are so low and lower than three or four years ago. it does still look to be consistent with the fiscal rules that the
conservatives went to the country with back in december. unpicking how they have managed is something we will be doing. the chancellor said also i want to review the rules from where we are. the last thing that is worth saying, there is so much uncertainty around this. we are talking as if the coronavirus wasn't happening. now the chancellor has said what i want to do in the short run is spend a lot of money trying to ensure that that only has a temporary short run effect, but very often however ha rd temporary short run effect, but very often however hard you try, they have a longer term effect, if some businesses go under and it may turn out that things look more difficult than the numbers underlying this budget. the short-term measures become permanent scars. what we don't know of the impact and the government doesn't know, no one knows, what the impact is, if it is v—shaped decline and we go down
quickly and come back quickly, that is what the government is hoping. or is what the government is hoping. or is it going to be... a u, which could a technical recession, but maybe after two quarters you go, or as someone said before we came on air, is ate bathtub. do we go down and don't come up. what goes down must come up. on the v versus u debate, for businesses like high streets and retailers, coffee shops, if this does go on for a long time and you self isolate, you don't come straight back and buy ten bacon sandwiches. thank you pauljohnson. i'm looking forward to the ten bacon sandwiches. we are looking forward to your detailed
mps talking a lot about the tone of that budget from the chancellor, starting of course in a pretty solemn way talking about what is to come, and! solemn way talking about what is to come, and i think people were left in no doubt about what's coming when it comes to coronavirus. then of course, the second part of it if you like, which is the longer term elements he introduced, let's speak to the snp's drew hendry who is with me now. first of all in coronavirus, lots of help from small and medium—sized businesses and people on low pay, how will that impact workers in scotland and businesses? we have already introduced the small business bonus for the majority of businesses in scotland don't pay rates at the moment. some of the other measures will help. what would have liked to see today is some real measures that would have stimulated the tourist economy. we were looking for a cut the tourist economy. we were looking fora cut in the tourist economy. we were looking for a cut in vat for tourism and that hasn't emerged. for further measures for employers' national
insurance contributions and they haven't come through either. there are some things that will help in a way but some of the big issues haven't been tackled, particularly the elephant in the room which is of course brexit and the implications for scottish business with the new migration system which is really going to harm businesses across scotla nd going to harm businesses across scotland in terms of attracting the workers that they need to operate properly. and of course other measures, as i say, to support our economy, through frictionless trade that will be lost through brexit. the longer term measures, though, you as an opposition party have been calling for a long time for greater spending and that's certainly what he's saying he's going to do. actually the consequentials for scotla nd actually the consequentials for scotland today for scotland have already been baked into the scottish government's budget, there is no real surprise in terms of the money that's coming to scotland for those kinds of spending commitments. what we really needed to see was action on some of the things that haven't been done in the past, but haven't been done in the past, but haven't been addressed, such as justice for the women who were born in the 19505
who have been cheated out of their pensions and are getting nothing in there. you saw ian blackford today calling for the statutory sick pay rate to go up to european levels. that's not happened to help people today. there is a lot more that could have been done in this budget. but the real big issue of tackling brexit hasn't been done. nor has the cumulative £14 billion cut to the scottish government since 2010 that's been imposed by the tories. there hasn't been a dent on that at all. your view is the austerity measures over the last few years are not counteracted by what has gone on today? not today. you can say there are some measures that will go some way in the short term. it is billions of pounds extra in current spending and capital spending.“ you look at those billions of pounds, set against the £14 billion that has been cut since 2010 for scotland, it doesn't stand up to any kind of real measure in terms of making a real difference on austerity in scotland. also, i don't think we have seen measures that
will really help people at the sharp end, the poverty end of the scale, with universal credit still having that of a staging effect on people not being able to claim it right away and having to go into loans and not being able to pay their rent. we are not seeing any of those measures to tackle poverty in the budget. those are the things people really need. there are measures that will help along the way. but the real impact on society has not been dealt with in this budget. some people will say, looking at today and looking at these large numbers, and no one is doubting that this is a shift, it is a shift in approach by a conservative government, talking about borrowing not just a conservative government, talking about borrowing notjust to invest but to fund current spending, some will say listening to you it is never going to be enough.” will say listening to you it is never going to be enough. i will give you one example, there was some welcome money for carbon capture utilisation and storage today, 100 million for the many clusters looking forward and we support and welcome that. but to put it into perspective, there was £1 billion taken away from peterhead alone on
one carbon capture project in 2015. you can welcome some of these things coming in but they don't go anywhere near replacing the damage that has already been done by this tory government and the measures are not really going to hit home to people in our communities across scotland where they need it most. ok, drew hendry, thank you very much indeed, the view from the snp. i think we will have a similar message from opposition parties who say you can't just forget the last decade, what has gone before. studio: thanks for that. straight to wakefield and simon mccoy. andrew, thank you very much, in wakefield, part of the red line at the last general election breached by borisjohnson and the conservatives, they haven't won here since 1931. as the chancellor announced enough money and is going to the right places? let's find out. you will have seen them earlier, i'm joined by kelly hucknall from citizens advice, jacqui smith, an events organiser with wakefield mum buller, margaret wood, founder of icw, specialist window manufacturer, and
idol christie, managing director at arcade us and also part of the northern powerhouse. i will start with you, the money for coronavirus, you expressed concerns about —— sick pgy- you expressed concerns about —— sick pay. has he addressed that? we welcome the support for covering the cost of sick pay and welcome changes confirming that people will be eligible for sick pay if they self—isolate and they will get quicker benefits if claiming employment support allowance. but there are a few things missing for us here. we have not seen the widening of eligibility for sick pay who earn too little currently and those who need to claim universal credit are not seeing anything around a speeding up of their payments, so a few things missing there, but some welcome action as well. i have lots of questions for all of you but i haven't got time. i'm just going to ask you all what you made of it. from our perspective we we re you made of it. from our perspective we were delighted to see the devolution deal for west yorkshire,
credible start, we are looking for more deals moving forward. you will get your own mare. and the investment in northern rail, he didn't mention bradford, he mentioned leeds to manchester, bradford city centre is important in that. and the final one, carbon capture, great to see clean energy is coming into the region. coronavirus, your suppliers, many of them come from italy. absolutely. it is really what we need to see and it has been short on detail in this budget, what happens after coronavirus. business creates wealth, it createsjobs, homes and community. what we want to see is that infrastructure put in that makes the connectivity for people that work for us and going forward business creates wealth, governments spend it. so let business create the wealth so that the new chancellor can spend it and spend it in the right direction, and get us levelled up, as has been said. vicki, talking
about parents this, what will be their reaction? one thing coming out of wakefield from parents was childcare and we haven't heard anything on childcare today. that is certainly something we would like to hear more about if it is going to come. but definitely, it is a bit of a disappointment at not having that childcare and early years money into it. was this a more important budget than you expected ? it. was this a more important budget than you expected? a lot of money has been announced. one of my observations would be we didn't talk a lot about skills investment, we talked about early years, we talked about students coming through to 16-19, but about students coming through to 16—19, but we got the investment right now and we need the skills to deliver it smartly. we need smart investment, lots of money to spend well and we need skills. and we need the businesses to employ those skills and that's so important going forward. we have not seen new businesses want to start up, and again that's important for
the future, and for the future generations. the issue of worry over coronavirus, sick pay, two weeks where the government will support you, what difference is that going to make to people do you think? the two weeks is money to support businesses to make sure that they can businesses to make sure that they ca n afford businesses to make sure that they can afford to pay that sick pay for people. and it should give some people. and it should give some people some financial security to know if they do have to self—isolate and stay at home that they are not going to get behind on bills and the like. sick pay crucially is only £94 a week, so actually it is not going to go that far for people and we would have liked to have seen more support for people in that space. let's face it, that will not cover much rent, food and bills, gas or electricity. you are nodding away. we want to see the regeneration of the north. we started the third industrial revolution, the fourth industrial revolution is coming along with the digital economy is. what we need to be is empowered to make it happen and the northern people are very resilient. they are
resilient to coronavirus and everything else that's going on. give us the tools and let us make it happen. there were lots of promises at the general election. are they delivering? as i said it is a credible start, we have a northern minister in our chancellor and he clearly sees we have got to level up andl clearly sees we have got to level up and i think this is the beginning of and i think this is the beginning of a rebalance. ithink and i think this is the beginning of a rebalance. i think there and i think this is the beginning of a rebalance. ithink there is and i think this is the beginning of a rebalance. i think there is a lot more to be done in the region but certainly green shoots coming through for the region where we can see directly impacting cash into this region. a broad welcome cosmic is that a fair assessment? yes, i think so. we can never go back to what was, what we have got to do is look forward and move on. we have got younger generations coming through. so let's make it happen. we have talked about carbon capture. we have talked about carbon capture. we have talked about climate. so that is important, it's important to the younger generation for the future. as an older generation, i've got to help and support and make that happen. thank you all very much for joining us. some optimism, talk of
green shoots even, that's the view here in wakefield. back to you, andrew. studio: thanks, simon. in london we arejoined andrew. studio: thanks, simon. in london we are joined by anneliese dodds, the shadow treasury spokesperson. a budget full of measures. is there any one you disagree with? it was pleasing to see a recognition that we have an enormous infrastructure gap that needs to be filled. of course the chancellor's announcements are not dealing with that enormous 192 billion gap created since 2010 but at least there is an acknowledgement that needs to change. i have to say in other areas of public spending i was anticipating we would have some more information. there will be a spending review at some point of course. in the summer and then a second budget in the autumn. yeah, quite, but in big areas like social ca re quite, but in big areas like social care work services are already strained, i was hoping that we would have more from the chancellor and we had to wait for his whole speech to
be overfor him just had to wait for his whole speech to be over for him just to say, we will be over for him just to say, we will be coming back to that big challenge. i really hope that government is looking at this more seriously because particularly right now it is crucial. but my question was, what has he announced that you disagree with? that i disagree with, overall, he's effectively requiring the tax system to do a lot of work for him. i would like to see a government that really fought for britain's corner on issues like whiskey restrictions, for example. you have a chancellor saying ok... he has frozen the duty. he has frozen the duty and applied it to all spirits but he hasn't said what his government will do to get rid of that punitive approach from the us. he has no more control over american ta riffs he has no more control over american tariffs than you or me. he doesn't his government could be arguing more forcefully surely for our producers and instead he is using the tax system to deal with that issue with all the public health implications that we have. he doesn't control the white house,
he controls the british tax system. his colleagues in the trade department and the prime minister could have been engaging more forcefully on this issue, as on others. you asked what i disagreed with and i'm saying the tax system... i was asking what measures you disagree with. the obr has described this as the biggest sustained giveaway in 30 years. i will say that again, "the biggest sustained giveaway in 30 years." his ta nks sustained giveaway in 30 years." his tanks onto your lawn. well, he's certainly making up, as i mentioned before, for some of the gap, both in terms of infrastructure spending and also in relation to consumption spending, spending on public services, not so much on social security, i have to say, apart from in the short term to deal with people who might be affected by the coronavirus. is this going to deal with that massive living standards squeeze we have seen over the last ten years? not very clear that it will. even on that, you are quite right, average pay has now onlyjust
returned in real terms to where it was in 2007. in real terms it is actually £1 more awake than it was. but when you take into account, taking people out of tax altogether and other tax cuts and now the national insurance, he is now moving on to command also now that wages are rising than inflation, now, it could all change because of the virus, could go into recession and all bets would be off, but at the moment we are back in an age of rising living standards. we finally are. what many people watching will be saying is we have had ten years. we have had this discussion in many other countries. that's the biggest giveaway in ten years according to the obr. finally, we have some catch up the obr. finally, we have some catch up on some of these areas but not all. we won the argument, would be the best aligned to save for labour. finally there is a recognition from within government, that particularly when it comes to our public
services, the resilience isjust not there. there are not the people on there. there are not the people on the ground to deliver some of what is needed. i think we saw it around the floods that we had recently. he's announced 5 billion for that too. well, he has done but it's very interesting... and another 6 billion for the nhs. you look at what has happened to the maintenance of existing flooding infrastructure, the amounts going into yorkshire and the amounts going into yorkshire and the humber over recent years has actually been going down over time. ijust wonder where this actually been going down over time. i just wonder where this leaves labour. he is increasing the national minimum wage to £10 50 p. he has increased the national insurance threshold before you start paying national insurance to 9500. he is putting 22 billion r and d, government r and d, 6 billion more on top of what he into the nhs for the nhs, on top of what it will get for the coronavirus. it is over 100
billion in current spending alone, i think i'm right in saying, in this parliament, plus all the infrastructure. it would seem that what they have done, whether they can pay for it all and how they do it is another matter, but it would seem the strategy is notjust to move to the centre right, notjust to move to the centre, it is actually to straddle the centre left with all this spending too. i'm not sure i would go that far! doesn't that leave labour with only the left to go to? well, no, as i say, i wouldn't go that far and obviously i do welcome additional spending in many of those areas where it is desperately needed but let's look at some of those areas. for example, iran transport, of course it is good to see additional spending going in there. —— around transport. we are seeing an unwillingness from government to take some critical decisions to make sure that some of that money doesn'tjust end up going to private companies. for example, round buses, additional money going on is great, but where is the impulsion from government to say bus
companies have got to work together? like they have been incidentally in london for ten years. hasn't he got all these big—city mayors to do that now? they haven't got the powers, you have a mayor in liverpool, for example, who isn't even allowed to have a registration scheme for private landlords, he has been slapped down by central government and not allowed to do that, so it seems like this is very much controlled by whitehall and westminster, and really we need to have that, if it's going to be called a levelling up, it has to be a levelling up of power as well as a little bit of additional in spending terms. some of this may be frustrating for you because labour has been arguing for a long time that borrowing in order to invest and spend on the public fabric of the country is a good thing and the tories have said that is not good, there is no magic money tree. to be honest with our viewers, some of this getting your go to bed, jeremy corbyn said they had brass neck?m is frustrating, finally it has taken so long to have a recognition that we needed additional public spending and we needed a different approach to investment, within the chancel‘s
speech you will have heard he said there is a discussion going on about whether we should treat investment spending differently to consumption spending, spending on public service and staff every day. that'd be bate didn't start five minutes ago, it's been going on for the last ten yea rs, been going on for the last ten years, other countries learn from it and the uk didn't under tory led governments. this isn'tjust about borrowing, it is also about tax decisions. the chancellor could have got rid of entrepreneurs relief entirely but he didn't and he bottled it. he got rid of most of it. the ifs have said that he hasn't com pletely it. the ifs have said that he hasn't completely dealt with that relief. there is no review of reliefs. what he has done is he has stopped most of it going to the richest. this is a problem for you because here you have a tory government prepared to tackle something for entrepreneurs, tory governments used to dine out on entrepreneurs, now they have cut the cost of it from 6 billion down to one billion and that's a real
problem for you. the point was that relief was not fostering entrepreneurial activity, in most cases it was just effectively tra nsfer cases it was just effectively transfer that was being provided to some people who are already very well off. again, no change on income tax, very little change on corporation tax etc. if we are going to have a more sustainable approach to have a more sustainable approach to public services in the future we need that. in a similar vein, you said you wanted to pay... talking about the coronavirus respond specifically, you said you want sick pay to be paid on day one and they did that. where will the bill fall? we want government to help businesses deal with that burden. they did that. they went even further, they got rid of business rates entirely for small businesses. on top of it all, a £3000 cash grant to businesses that would qualify for small business rates to get them through this period, they have gone further than you have in tackling this. but on these questions, they have taken a short—term approach. we can say of course it has to be
short—term in relation to coronavirus, but business is struggling with business rates and they didn't just start struggling from the beginning of this outbreak, they have been struggling for a long time. we have heard for a very long time. we have heard for a very long time from the current government that there will probably review business rates. they have just committed to get another one but have not said what the scope will be. they have not said whether that review will look at all local taxation or not. i think businesses will perhaps be saying, that is relief in the short term, relief thatis relief in the short term, relief that is necessary, i will not criticise it, i think it's that is necessary, i will not criticise it, i think its positive. but where is the long term plan? because currently those businesses, as we all know, based in brick and mortar are paying much, much more tax than many of those digitally based companies and that shouldn't be the case. your only regret was that they didn't put up taxes where they could? it is not my only regret, i also regret the fact they haven't had a longer term approach to things in many different cases. this isn'tjoined to things in many different cases. this isn't joined up to things in many different cases. this isn'tjoined up in the way that it should be. and i particularly regret, as i say, the lack of any
apparent ambition around one of the biggest challenges, as indeed the chancellor acknowledged at the end of his speech, of social care. let's hear from faisal islam. isn't the problem for you that it turns out to some degree you are right, the public was prepared for big estate, more infrastructure and investment, but with that comes a need for perceived even more competence than running the government with the sorts of services that it does at the moment and that's where your party hasn't been able to land it with the public? ifi understood your question correctly, you were suggesting... a big estate requires more trust in the people that are running that state. —— bigger state. i'm sure that is correct to some extent although i think we are seeing the lack of trust are being created at the us with a relatively small state and what that does to coordination when it comes to a big challenge like the one we have at the moment. i mean obviously labour didn't win the last general election, i wish we had, we have got to learn from that and there were
questions raised about our perceived competence across a range of issues. we have got to learn from that and i've been trying to do that. let me move forward on this because i wonder your analysis, your narrative of the conservatives bears any resemblance to the truth. here is a government presiding over substantial expansion of the state, huge public investment, everything from research and development to roads, taking people out of national insurance altogether, investing in the north, introducing the highest minimum wage in western europe. where does your party's narrative that this is a hard right thatcherite government fit in with this budget? i wouldjust thatcherite government fit in with this budget? i would just say, andrew, let's be aware of the hype. when you look at that infrastructure spending, as i said, it is not actually filling the gap that has been created over the last ten yea rs. been created over the last ten years. if all you can say is it is not enough, that's what opposition is always so. i'm not saying that.
all i have heard from labour politicians has been that this is a ha rd politicians has been that this is a hard right, nasty, thatcherite government. where is this budget a nasty, ha rd government. where is this budget a nasty, hard right, thatcherite budget? i have to tell you, someone who knew margaret thatcher, she would have the vapours over a budget like this. she would have gone bonkers over a budget that did all this, borrowing all this. where is the support there for the millions of people in our country who are not able to work for whatever reason, who have disabilities, for example? people who are not able to build up the number of hours such that work actually pays. now, we didn't see, as part of this budget, and any help for those people. we saw changes around some of the procedures for social security, and of course that is to be welcomed, particularly now with this coronavirus outbreak. they haven't been sold into slavery?” would just like to ask people on this panel whether they feel they would be able to do what many of my constituents do, which is make 120
deliveries a day, classified as self—employed, working for a delivery company. they can barely get through a three hour programme! there is no need to ask them. i'll tell you, they couldn't! anneliese dodds, we have run out of time, but they couldn't. that was the easiest question to answer all day. they could not do five deliveries a day, never mind 120. let's go back to vicki young on college green. let's pick up on some of those things with the liberal democrats' sarah olney who is with me now. when it comes to coronavirus, lots of measures announced by the chancellor, particularly for small businesses. are you happy that's enough? i think it is right at this stage that they are taking the situation seriously, we are pleased to see the measures on statutory sick pay and the measures on tax relief and so on and so forth. there needs to be an immediate response to this crisis. i think my problem is just that there seems to be an immediate response to this crisis but the budget as a whole does not really address some of the long—term
problems we are going to be facing an short—term crisis measures are fine for the coronavirus but not for the economy as a whole. having said that, there is a definite shift here when it comes to public spending. an awful lot of the money rishi sunak was talking about is to go on current spending as well as huge infrastructure projects. yes but it's not the kind of spending that will put money back into the pockets of normal people tomorrow. what would you like to have seen him do? we hope would have liked a scrap on the two child limit on child benefit, that would have cost one billion and would have made a real difference to families all over the country immediately. we would have liked more adjustment to universal credit, particularly on the working allowa nces credit, particularly on the working allowances because that would have made a real difference to people. those are the kind of measures, putting money back into people's pockets that could stimulate the economy. what about longer term issues? he's put forward a little extra money for the nhs on top of previous announcements. that is something your party has been calling forfor a long something your party has been calling for for a long time. that is welcome but only to make up for cuts
that have taken place in the last five years and i think the coronavirus has you can't keep cutting and cutting public services. you need some resilience there so that services like the nhs can respond to these kinds of crisis. and when it comes to the green agenda, there are some ambitious climate change targets and some would think that goes against huge infrastructure projects, building more roads and the rest of it, but have you seen anything in today's budget which makes you relieved that they are on the right track when it comes to that? i think it's very disappointing, they announced a lot more spending for road projects, which is probably right but there isn't enough to counter the additional carbon emissions that will cause. you would have wanted more taxes? we would like to have seen much more on the carbon capture and storage they announced, what they have announced doesn't go anywhere far enough. i would have personally liked to have seen much more about emissions from domestic homes, for example. there is lots that can be done with insulation and better building standards and there was nothing for that. that's the
sort of thing that could make a real difference to people because it could have reduced fuel bills. that's the sort of thing where they are not grasping the metal at all. sarah olney, thank you very much indeed. a lot of the opposition parties happy there is more spending, not necessarily thinking it is going on the right place. studio: thanks for that. we are coming to the final few minutes of the show, the panel is still here, indeed they are just getting into their stride, we could probably be here for another five hours. their stride, we could probably be here for anotherfive hours. if there is any morkov think we may have to all self—isolate. you've been looking at a few details, laura. on the obr, the numbers which we know are already out of date, but in black and white, recession this year is quite possible if the spread of coronavirus causes disruption. we know that, it is quite something though to see it in black and white. to put it in an official document. absolutely. further into this, these numbers look ahead to the potential impacts. buried in here there is a suggestion that in 2022—23, real
household disposable income, basically the amount of money we feel able to spend, might actually be going down, as might productivity per hour. i say that only because those are two massive political priorities. and disposable income had been rising recently again. in real terms. it had been rising recently again. in realterms. it had been. this is massively subject to change, of course, but it's interesting to see these things here in black and white. a lot more will come out of the woodwork in this budget, i'm sure of that. two final thoughts, simon and then faisal islam. there will be no shortage of private contractors looking forward to helping the government spend all this money over the next five years. out of the kindness of their hearts? this is a honey pot and there will bea this is a honey pot and there will be a lot of bees around it. to pick that up, i think the big infrastructure numbers, the big spending numbers, a lot of them are envelopes. a lot of the detail hasn't been spelt out. we have heard lots of measures but there is much more detail to come. it is the start ofa more detail to come. it is the start of a process in terms of infrastructure, they delayed the investor to review for a month or
two and we will have the spending review too. they have kick—started the process and given us the big numbers, which has led to big extra borrowing, but there is a lot more arguments to be had about this, especially when you overlay the changing trading conditions from brexit. and the heathrow policy, which means a lot of this money will come face—to—face with our planning laws. and climate change. that's what i meant with heathrow. we thought we would get a down payment on this budget on some of the climate change objectives. it wasn't really there apart from the red diesel. and also, the government acknowledging that business is very vulnerable, they will also have to acknowledge there is quite a lot of brexit preparation to do as we come towards the end of the year. you have a weak economy, weakness in the sector, and the additional burdens of brexit preparation. that brings us to the end of this politics live budget special, big budget announced today, many, many measures, a change in strategy for the conservative government. they will be a lot to talk about and much more will come out in bbc news as the day goes on.
but for us for the moment, thank you for joining but for us for the moment, thank you forjoining us on this budget special. and goodbye.
hello, you're watching afternoon live. the new chancellor delivers his first budget with measures to control the corona riots outbreak at its heart. —— coronavirus. control the corona riots outbreak at its heart. -- coronavirus. the british people may be worried but they are not daunted. we will protect our people and country. we will rise to this challenge. he abolishes business rates for many firms in england, extended sick pay and boosts nhs funding by the labour leader says it is not enough. today's budget was billed as a turning point, a chance to deliver,
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country overwhelmed. saying there could be a pause here in new york. los angeles county tonight with new stay at home orders. rhode island opening two field hospitals. 93,000 americans in the hospital with covid and we still do not know the impact of thanksgiving. in other news this monday night, president-elect joe biden receiving his first presidential daily briefing, national security intelligence, meant to prepare any incoming president to be ready on day one. biden unveiling his economic team, nominating the first woman to serve as treasury secretary. a focus on the economy for working class families with this team. and news from wisconsin tonight, after president trump's campaign spends $3 million for a partial recount that discovered 87 more votes for joe biden. new reporting tonight after the assassination of iran's top nuclear scientist. iran blaming israel. was a remote device attached to a nearby vehicle used to kill him? a dangerous commute home for millions tonight.
the major storm moving up the east coast. 60-mile-an-hour winds and then what's behind all this? ginger zee timing it out. your money tonight. and cyber monday is here. where there are still major deals tonight. and our made in america christmas is back. and as we ask every year, what's your one thing? good evening and i hope you ning and i hope you had a happy and safe thanksgiving. i know for so many of you, it was a much different thanksgiving this year. we're all getting through this together. there is some encouraging news tonight on the vaccine front. abc news has now confirmed the first batch of pfizer vaccine has now made it to the u.s. it's now being stored in michigan, they are waiting, of course, for approval. the second vaccinemaker, moderna, saying they are now asking for emergency approval, too. they had some impressive numbers today, saying their vaccine is 94% effective, but they said
something else. their vaccine in their trial was 100% effective against those severe cases of the virus. meaning they saw no severe cases. and of course, this comes amid the reality tonight that the numbers are rising quickly. more than 13.5 million cases in this country. more than 4 million new cases this month alone. that accounts for nearly one-third of all cases since this pandemic began. more than 267,000 american lives lost. and tonight, with these new numbers, new york's governor now urging hospitals to prepare retired doctors and nurses to come back to work and that he's also not ruling out some sort of a pause with the numbers rising so quickly. los angeles county with a new stay at home order. rhode island setting up two field hospitals. and as we learn more about the pfizer vaccine, the first batch now here in the u.s., tonight, news on an important meeting that's going to be held tomorrow to decide who will get access to these vaccines first. and one of the leaders of operation warp speed tonight saying anyone in the u.s. who wants a vaccine will have access to one by june.
abc's steve osunsami leading us off this monday night from the cdc in atlanta. >> reporter: abc news has confirmed that the first shipments of the pfizer vaccine for the coronavirus have traveled by air from production in belgium to a storage facility in michigan, so that the minute the u.s. government says it's okay for emergency use, those first shots will be ready to rush across this country. united airlines is flying the vaccine on chartered cargo flights. >> i say that by january we'll have 40 million doses to distribute across the country. >> reporter: in just a few weeks, some of this country's health care workers and other first responders would get the drug before anyone else, but there aren't enough doses for all of them and tomorrow, a panel at the cdc in atlanta will decide who gets immunized first. today, drugmaker moderna added more welcome hope to the effort, by formally asking u.s. authorities for emergency use authorization of their potential vaccine, which they say is at least 94% effective and 100% effective preventing severe
disease. the u.s. food and drug administration could give the green light for emergency use to pfizer after december 10th, and moderna after a hearing on december 17th. >> we've been clear about the fact we're not going to cut corners. and the authorization process, although expedited, has very similar criteria to what we would use for the regular approval of a vaccine. >> reporter: government officials believe most americans should be able to get a vaccine by next june. >> 100% of americans that want the vaccine will have the vaccine by that point in time. >> reporter: fedex and u.p.s. delivery services tonight are getting ahold of the dry ice that they'll need to ship the vaccine. a company that makes special freezers for the drug can't make them fast enough. >> when you start to think about the logistics infrastructure to distribute, 14 billion, the two-dose scenario, 14 billion vaccines globally, that in itself starts to add up. >> so, let's get right to steve osunsami with us live outside the cdc. and steve, tomorrow, i know the
cdc panel will meet tomorrow to come up with recommendations for who gets the first vaccine doses once one of these vaccines has been approved. >> reporter: that's right, david. these health experts from across the country will be meeting here and will actually take a vote on who should get the vaccine first. for example, seniors or health care professionals who deal with patients sick with covid-19 and where the vaccine should be headed to first, for example, communities that are hardest-hit. it is then up to the states to decide how these recommendations should be put into practice. david? >> everything you said there makes a whole lot of sense. steve osunsami leading us off. steve, thank you. meantime, hospitalizations do continue to surge. tonight, 93,000 americans are in the hospital with covid. tonight, hospital staffs overwhelmed. and as i mentioned at the top tonight, new york's governor warning hospitals to reach out to retirees, nurses and doctors, to prepare for what's coming and for many, what's already here. here's abc's chief national correspondent matt gutman tonight. >> reporter: tonight, the image
of that doctor wrapped in ppe and cradling a covid patient resonating nationwide. it was taken on dr. joseph varon's 252nd consecutive day of duty. >> we are exhausted. we are tired. i have nurses that in the middle of the day start crying. >> reporter: and in the original epicenter of the pandemic in this country, new york, governor andrew cuomo warning another pause could be on the way. >> we are now worried about overwhelming the hospital system. every hospital has to identify retired nurses and doctors now. we're already experiencing staff shortages. >> reporter: more doctors, nurses and patients spending thanksgiving in cramped covid wards than almost anyone thought possible. and new records set almost daily. tonight, more than 93,000 americans hospitalized with covid. in rhode island, they're running out of room, opening two field hospitals this week. >> hospitals are full, patients are scared, staff is really tired. >> reporter: here in california, with cases, hospitalizations and deaths tripling this month, los
angeles county ordering a stay at home order, banning indoor and outdoor gatherings with anyone outside the household. new jersey also tightening restrictions. public health experts warning thanksgiving holiday may only have made it worse. over 1.1 million travelers screened at tsa sunday, the busiest day for air travel since the pandemic started. americans traveling against the advice of the cdc now told to assume they have the virus. but that increased demand for testing pushing the system to the limit. the line behind me here in los angeles is over two hours long and the demand for testing here is putting a strain on capacity. every single slot offer bid the city of los angeles has been booked for the past ten days. up to half of all states report a shortage of testing supplies. >> if we can't test people early, we can't identify them, we can't stop the spread. >> reporter: and the elderly remain the most vulnerable. just two days before thanksgiving, leslie and patricia mcwaters of michigan,
married for 47 years, died from the virus within 60 seconds of each other. their family writing in their obituary, they did almost everything together, so, it should be no surprise that they went to be with the lord together within the very same minute. >> i read that obituary today, it was so moving. and matt gutman with us live tonight. matt, we also hear what dr. deborah birx said after the thanksgiving holiday, that if you went to a gathering, you should act, proceed as if you've already been exposed, get tested and simply be careful and your parents and grandparents, the most vulnerable. >> reporter: such a stark warning from dr. birx. telling people who gathered with folks outside their immediate household to consider themselves infected. and in fact, across the country today, we are seeing long lines, everywhere we have looked and now labs are backing up, as well. dr. fauci saying it could be about two to three weeks before the effects of all of this holiday travel are actually felt. he's actually calling it a surge
upon a surge. david? >> all right, matt gutman, thank you. a lot of other news this monday night, as well. president-elect joe biden has now received his first presidential daily national security briefing, meant to preparing an incoming president to be ready on day one. it comes as biden reveals his economic team, nominating the first woman to serve as treasury secretary. a focus on the economy for working class families with this team. the formal rollout, of course, tomorrow. and there's also news from wisconsin tonight, after president trump's campaign spent about $3 million for a partial recount there that discovered 87 more votes for joe biden. here's mary bruce. >> reporter: after weeks of stonewalling by president trump, president-elect joe biden today finally received his first presidential daily briefing of classified national security information. he also announced his economic team, trying to make good on his promise to diversify the white house, address income inequality and deliver for working families. for treasury secretary, former fed chair janet yellen, who would be the first woman in the role. cecilia rouse, a princeton economist, is now the first black nominee to head the
president's council of economic advisers. another first, neera tanden, she would be the first woman of color to run the office of management and budget. but tanden, who leads a liberal think tank and has skewered republicans on twitter, is already facing pushback. >> i think, in light of her combative and insulting comments about many members of the senate, mainly on our side of the aisle, that it creates certainly a problematic path. >> reporter: but democrats blasted republicans for complaining about mean tweets after four years of donald trump. >> it will be very tough to take those crocodile tears seriously. >> reporter: most republican senators have not even publicly acknowledged that biden won the election. but each day, more states are officially certifying his win. today, arizona. >> the votes have been tabulated, all 15 counties have
certified their results. >> reporter: in pennsylvania, a federal judge appointed by trump himself dismissed the president's efforts to throw out votes, writing, "calling an election unfair does not make it so. charges require specific allegations and then proof. we have neither here." in wisconsin, team trump paid $3 million for a partial recount that actually uncovered 87 more votes for biden. and in georgia, the president is still railing against the republican governor and secretary of state, who certified biden's win there. >> the governor's done nothing. he's done absolutely nothing. i'm ashamed that i endorsed him. >> reporter: trump's false claims of fraud threaten to undermine republican efforts to win georgia's two special senate elections on january 5th. rnc chair ronna mcdaniel asked by one republican voter why they should even bother if the president says the system is rigged against them. >> how are we going to spend money and work when it's already decided? >> it's not decided. this is the key. >> no, no. >> it's not decided. >> all right, mary bruce with us
live tonight from washington and mary, we also learned that president-elect biden injured his foot over the weekend playing around with the family dog? >> reporter: yes, david, joe biden slipped and twisted his ankle while playing with one of his dogs over the weekend. d doctors discovering a small hairline fracture. biden will now be in one of those medical walking boots for several weeks. david? >> all right, mary bruce tonight. mary, thank you. and overseas tonight, new reporting at this hour on the alleged assassination of iran's top nuclear scientist. a news agency close to the iranian revolutionary guard claiming it was a remote controlled machine gun that fired at mohsen fakhrizadeh, despite earlier reports that it was a roadside ambush. israel has not commented and abc news has not confirmed the claims. iran has vowed retaliation. back here at home tonight, and the major storm battering much of the east, as millions head home from work and the tornado watch for a time today. heavy rain and damaging winds really from tennessee straight up through maine. look at this image. even crossing the street was tough in queens, new york, today. and on the back side of all this, snow and cold coming in. chief meteorologist ginger zee tracking it all for us.
ginger? >> reporter: david, these rocking winds have gusted to 66 miles per hour already on long island. we've seen two to three inches of rain and i've seen lightning, just standing here. so, you know we've got a late season thunderstorm, but on the back side of it, just like you said, as you see the futurecast, i'll time it out for you, by noon tomorrow, we have winter storm warnings that include sandusky, cleveland, jamestown, new york, erie, pennsylvania, 6 to 12 inches, locally up to 18. and if that's not enough, the cold seeps all the way south, san antonio to tallahassee, david, have freeze warnings. >> it is that time of year, ginger. great to have you on a monday. when we come back here, your money tonight and cyber monday is here. where there are still major deals to be had in the coming hours tonight. and of course, the nfl's covid crisis appears to be worsening tonight. there's late news coming in now. everyone does -- right up here. it happens to all of us. we buy a new home, and we turn into our parents. what i do is help new homeowners overcome this.
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finally tonight, our made in america christmas is back, determined to help our neighbors and tonight, our first stop. tonight, in every corner of this country, we are hearing the sail thing. families in this heavy time determined to find the joy this year. getting their christmas trees earlier and many turning back to real trees grown by local tree farms in record numbers. in stow, massachusetts, the mistletoe christmas tree farm. >> it's been a tough year. i think just to celebrate it earlier and to -- trying to get out here and do something that the family enjoys has been fun. >> in raleigh, north carolina, at the back acres christmas tree farm. >> growing christmas trees and providing these christmas trees to the local community. >> in lexington, kentucky, the barkers christmas tree farm. in the family for 80 years. >> hey, david, this is dale barker. >> dale, third generation, coming to us from his snowy farm.
>> covid's made 2020 the year of change for all of us. we've made many changes around here. made in america is very important this year. >> in galien, michigan, too. >> hey, david. at pine chris christmas tree farm, they're hoping you'll buy local. >> purchase that made in america real christmas tree this year. by doing so, you are also helping me put somebody to work, helping at those christmas tree farms. thank you again, david, and merry christmas. >> and in corvallis, oregon, you might remember our made in america report on the holiday tree farms. 7,500 acres, chopping down the trees. helicopters carrying those trees to the trucks. >> hi, david. >> telling us tonight they've been shipping early just to keep up with demand. >> we're seeing customers that are really focused on the family tradition, going out and buying a real tree this year. >> and in mckinleyville, california, the johnsteen tree company, with that kit you can
buy and then grow your own christmas tree. and it turns out, since our first report on them -- >> hi, david. since you featured us last time, lots have changed for our company. >> telling us sales are up, so are new hires and it seems, with your help, we're starting a trend. >> amidst this pandemic, we feel really privileged to have a company that's being supported by americans and that we're able to employ our people. and keep working. >> that farm and so many others grateful with three words in mind -- >> made in america! >> and we're just getting started. we're going to find the joy this year. i'm david muir. i'll see you right back here tomorrow. good night. new rules start today in the bay area.
our patchwork of coronavirus policies could soon turn into uniform regulations, and it might mean we'll all be held to the toughest standards. >> we don't anticipate this. this is in the absence of making better decisions. >> the worst-case scenario could be avoided, but it's up to each of us to do the right thing. i'm wayne freedman in marin county, the only bay area county still to be red in terms of restrictions. rather than purple. but they're not smiling about it. that's coming up. building a better bay area for a safe and secure future. this is abc 7 news. truth is right now it's just all around our communities and everyone is somewhat vulnerable to having an encounter with somebody who's infected. >> don't think in terms of hot spots. the state's top health official says the risk of coronavirus is all across california. but even so, the bay area may be the place to be.