four capitals in addition to its own. >> what are they? >> it would be in yemen, in damascus, in -- >> baghdad. >> baghdad and. >> lebanon. >> lebanon. >> so they're winning the battle against the sunnis. >> well they are scaring the devil out of the sunnis. and that is one thing, i think, that has happened with the pulling together of isis. that is not the only thing, but when passions get so great, as they do in a chaotic situation like this the angrier and more ideological people come to the fore and that's what's happening with isis. >> michael kay -- i'm sorry, michael kay, what's your sense, what caldron created the isis who are sunni people who don't like the shias who are running baghdad, don't like the people the al whites who are running syria, and they're right there in the middle building a country that at some point is