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if this is a he said she said situation like hallie just put it who has more credibility? president trump or michael cohen? >> well it depends on who you support, but look, i think in terms of credibility for the purposes of the investigation, bob mueller isn't going to look at that. he's going to look at what the facts are. and what's interesting here about this is that there is no recording of this particular incident like there was with other incidents. now, michael cohen's attorney, a former clintonite has really pushed out that michael cohen is now fully cooperating with -- with the investigation and with investigators. what's interesting is that yesterday at the white house, and all week at the white house has hallie just alluded to, the president has not issued any type of direct comment on these latest allegations. that's unique. and until he does about whether or not he did in fact, have knowledge of that june 2016 meeting, you know, these
far worse. the fact that michael cohen recorded the president and revealed the content of one of those conversations, his payment to karen mcdougal, do these tapes bolster or diminish his credibility but especially with robert mueller? >> i think what's interesting is every american wants to know what's on the tapes. i mean, whether you support the president or not, release the tapes. what's on the tapes? what are they going to say on the tapes? but with regards to bob mueller's investigation it becomes interesting because we've talked about this for weeks. bob mueller is operating on bob mueller's time line and until he releases that report, until there's a conclusion reached in that report, all of this is -- is politics. meaning outside of that investigation. and bob mueller to his credit has done a completely apolitical type of investigation despite the onslaught of hyper political tensions outside of it coming at him from both sides.
so until that conclusion is reached and until that report is made public, you know, no one knows what's on the tapes. but i will say, why was michael cohen recording those tapes? i think you know, the president has tried to go after him for that. >> i think a lot of people want to know that reason. >> julia, let me play for you what rudy giuliani said right after this allegation was made. let's listen. >> ip expected something like this from cohen. he's been lying for years. i don't see if he had any credibility. if you had a trial and there won't be a trial, which lie do you want to pick? the first lie, the second lie, some new lie? there's nobody that knows him that hasn't warned me that if he's backed up against a wall he'll lie like crazy. >> just a few weeks ago president trump and rudy giuliani were singing his praises saying what a big guy he was and doesn't this speak to how much the president's inner
circle has changed since the beginning of the campaign and his presidency? >> it absolutely does. if there were so many allegations against michael cohen from those around the president about him lying for so many years as rudy giuliani says, then why did the president keep him so close and keep him so close as a confidant? i mean, those statements don't seem to make sense to me really. but it is a testament to how much his inner circle has changed. michael cohen's not in that circle and we're seeing rudy giuliani come in, so very interesting comments, but really don't make sense to me. >> kevin, how crucial might the trump organization financial chief be in the investigation and what kind of information might he be able to offer short of the president's tax returns? >> massive. i mean, he is a hugely influential person inside the trump organization. he's someone of course with deep ties to the inner circle, of the apparatus of how that organization works. i think he's someone that we're
beginning to hear more about this week in the sense of how the investigation is going. this right now took a turn with michael cohen coming out publicly with these tapes in the last week, week and a half. by accusing the president of having knowledge of that 2016 meeting. it gets to the crux of the president's credibility as well as the president's trustworthiness and whether or not he was in fact telling the truth with regards to that june 2016 meeting and what you have noticed with former new york city mayor rudy giuliani, dara, is this is a white house that is prepared for a full onslaught political battle. and a legal battle that really took a turn and intensified even more than it already has this week. >> it's been an amazing week. giuliani is looking at president trump's tweets so what kind of tweets are we looking at here? >> he's looking at the tweets in particular about his tweets
about james comey and jeff sessions, him really attacking the two of them. the president's legal team, rudy giuliani have said well, if the president really was trying to obstruct justice he would have done it in private, so there's no reason to investigate the tweets. however, it's interesting because this -- donald trump in general more than lots of other famous figures has really used twitter to i don't know, dictate how he communicates with people especially in politics and really drive that point across and a lot of, you know, it can be argued that he's used twitter to try to communicate with those around him and to push a message, so he has this abnormal -- not abnormal but a different way of communications with twitter and i think robert mueller does realize that. >> stays with us. we have much more to talk about this morning. >> michael cohen's lawyer speaking out for one of the first times attacking the president for his remarks caught on tape about the former playboy
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direction that mueller or the southern district of new york may like him a little less. >> and referring to coenh, the president tweeted i did not know of the meeting with my son donald jr. sounds to me like someone is trying to make up stories in order to get himself out of unrelated jam. how could these attacks on cohen come back to legally jeopardize president trump? >> as if cohen can corroborate his story. right now we don't see that much corroboration with cohen's story. we see a whole lot of trump team members saying that trump had no idea, no idea that this meeting was going on. if cohen and prosecutors can corroborate this story that trump knew in advance of the trump tower meeting and the meeting with the russians, then that could be damaging to trump. but what you need to know is that for conviction purposes and we're a long ways from there, you don't need the story to be corroborated by cooperating witness and that's why defense
attorneys like me complain that there's so much insen ty for cooperating witnesses to lie, fabricate or embellish. >> interesting. well, the new york times is now reporting that robert mueller is examining trump's tweets in a wide ranging obstruction inquiry and one of those tweets you say could be dangerous for the president and it's from december of last year and it reads i had to fire general flynn because he lied to the vice president and the fbi. he has pled guilty to those lies. it is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. there was nothing to hide. danny, why could this be dangerous for president trump? >> mueller not only has been looking at his -- president trump's tweets. he looks at them on an ongoing basis and he's looked at every single one of them, at least his team has because these would be helpful evidence of his state of mind. they're almost like a journal of what he's thinking and that can go a long way to establish intent and motive. as to that particular tweet it's
a great example of why the president's tweets are different than the rest of our tweets because the president has a plausible defense that this was not authored by me, at least that's what he said and ultimately his own lawyer came out and said, you know, i wrote that tweet. most of us, it's pretty plain, we write our own tweets. we have access to our own iphone, our cell phone and we tweet from our computer and they can be reasonably imputed to us and then authenticated under the rules of evidence. but trump and the presidency might be a very different situation because they are so managed by so many layers of staff and attorneys and everybody else. so although there may be an authentication issue, if they can be authenticated, if those are trump's tweets from his own mind, they can and will be used against him as evidence. >> and before i let you go real quick, stormy daniels attorney michael avenatti says president trump paid quote hush money to three additional women he represents. how strong are those claims?
>> it's hard to say because michael avenatti shrewdly releases information only when he needs to. all we know at this point there are potentially three additional women who were paid off. but if this ends up being true, this is compelling evidence of a pattern or practice and any time from an evidence standpoint that some act becomes part of a pattern or practice, it becomes more discoverable, more relevant and more evidence can come in like an avalanche against a suspect or a defendant. >> thank you so much for sharing your expertise this morning. great to have you. and next, two close for comfort. two russia probe adversaries and their near run-in at reagan national airport and before the break it is all about michael cohen's tape in the late night. >> apparently cohen would record heez calls and meetings on his iphone instead of taking notes
because it was easier than taking notes. i'm starting to think trump doesn't hire all the best people. >> no, no, no. i got this. >> okay. it's hard to hear because the only thing that michael cohen is worse at than lawyers is sound recording. >> you know who's really annoyed about this? russia. they're like why are we putting so much work into spying on these americans when they seem to be doing it to themselves all the time? >> and it involves playboy, but i'm only in it for the articles. insurance that won't replace
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increasing chances of a blue wave. in hypothetical matchups for the house democrats hold a 51 to 39% lead over republicans and the difference maker, women. they side with democrats 57 to 32%. well, washington is still abuzz about that picture showing special counsel robert mueller and donald trump jr. at same gate at reagan national airport. mueller's office confirmed that it is his him in the picture but he did not have any interaction with trump jr. kevin, let's start with you because seriously, what are the chances? have you ever been at that gate. >> that gate is the worst gate in america. 35x is -- i mean, i can't -- it's an abominable gate. i've had the inopportunity to fly out of that thing multiple times. you've got to take like an escalator, then a shuttle bus to get to the plane and then i'm like, the one time as a reporter i'd actually want to be at that
gate, you know, you've got bob mueller, don jr., what are the chances? like what are the actual chances? only in d.c., a very d.c. moment really, not even house of cards. >> and ken, i mevin, is it poss they didn't see each other? could they possibly have really missed each other? >> i -- i wasn't there, but you know, it's a very small gate. >> and julia, your thoughts on that? >> so there's the gates of hell and then there's 35x. >> am i allowed to say that on television? >> you just did. >> it wasn't me. >> so very small, very crowded. i mean, d.c.a. in general, it is probably -- it's the airport out of the three surrounding airports in the metropolitan washington area that's closest to the city so i mean, it's true you have to say what are the chances but at the same time quite a bit of high profile people, senators, lawmakers fly
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washington. i'm elizabeth prann. leland: i'm trying to figure out a saturday that wasn't busy in recent memory. nice to be with you. i'm leland vittert. it's the weekend, but president trump is getting ready for the election mode. we have endorsements for republicans ahead of primary elections this year and new details for the president's plan for hitting the campaign trail for some g.o.p. candidates in vulnerable districts around the country. ellison barber travelling with the president up in new jersey at his golf club. hi, ellison. >> hey, leland, president trump has spent a lot of time on the road of late. he's set to head to tampa on tuesday for a campaign rally there. traditionally in election mid term years, the party, no matter who it is, whoever is in the oval office, their party tends to lose seats, but president trump says he is confident that this year republicans can buck that trend. >> i am going to work very hard. i'll go six or seven days a week
when we're 60 days out and i will be campaigning for all of these great people that do have a difficult race, and we think we're going to bring them over the line and i believe that because we're doing so well as a country and so well with the economy, i think we're going to be surprising a lot of people. >> the president says a big selling point is the economy. that's what the white house is trying to keep the focus on in general, the economy. but a number of other stories are muddying the messaging waters, new questions about the 2016 meeting at trump tower and the president's former lawyer michael cohen, the decision to bar a cnn reporter from an event after she tried to ask questions mostly about cohen and the oval office. and this morning i asked a communications advisor about that decision. here is a little of our explain. >> bill shinen and sarah sanders
spoke with hadder and made it clear that obviously when we have a world leader in the oval office with the president, there needs to be a sense of decorum and conversation. if they say after ten times there's no questions, there's no questions. >> no regret about that concern and no concern about keeping the press out? >> no, we have constant contact and communication with the press. >> obviously, fox news was part of the group of media outlets who said that that behavior, the decision to keep collins out of that meeting was inappropriate leland. leland: all right. ellison barber in new jersey. back to you. who is with the president. back to you. elizabeth: and president trump's attorney and so-called fixer michael cohen, claims to have knowledge of a meeting with the russians. the president fighting back and calling him a liar. never a dull moment. >> on this afternoon especially,
liz. elizabeth: president trump's long time lawyer and confidante, michael cohen, claims that his boss green lighted that trump tower meeting in the mueller probe. it included trump, jr., jared kushner, and a russian lawyer. he claims his father had no knowledge of the meekt. >> it was such a nothing. nothing to tell. i wouldn't have remembered it unless we scour through stuff. it was a wasted 20 minutes, which was a shame. >> the president offering confirmation of this via tweet. >> i did not know of the meeting with my son don, jr. it sounds like someone is trying to make up stories to get himself out of an unrelated jam. this comes days after cohen leaked a recording of a taped conversation that he had with trump with regard to hush money to a playboy model.
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he would seriously get his base behind him and have them become enthusiastic, but not great at getting out the vote in the larger sense. >> no, he's not. getting out the vote is something we have to do internally within our states and districts. that's up to us. the president has got an agenda going forward. when you look at bill clinton, everything he was going through, he won reelection and he said it's the economy, stupid. when you look at the economy for the people, their paychecks are bigger, better jobs, they're spending money and the economy is growing as you saw by the gdp. so this is something that people are going to remember when they go to the voting polls. leland: it was not only the economy, stupid. that was 1992. it's also how people feel about the time and feel how the president acts. the moral leadership is important as well. >> sure. leland: fox on rosenstein, should the president fire him? would you support the articles of impeachment?
where does that head? >> i did support the articles of impeachment. he's a member of the xek if i have branch. the president is the only one who can fire him or jeff sessions, jeff sessions recused himself. >> should he fire him? >> we cannot fire him in the house. all we can do is bring up impeachment and the big one is signing onto the fisa warrant he shouldn't have. leland: i understand you're on the impeachment band wagon because you can't fire him. >> right. leland: i guess it would be your advice to the president to go ahead and fire him because it seems the impeachment resolution is pretty much doa? >> i would rather him do that. he's in a tough political situation, people are going to attack him trying to obstruct justice. when you look at what rosenstein has done, he hasn't answered the subpoena, if that were you and i in a court of law, we would be in jail. if we signed a fisa warrant that should never have been signed,
that's a dereliction of duty and he should be fired. leland: the speak of the house does not support the articles of impeachment. is he not a defender of the president? where is paul ryan on this. >> you have to ask paul ryan about that. we are getting a new leader. leland: i'm asking you, where does he gotten it wrong. >> i haven't talked to paul about this. he's a great guy, and honorable guy. i don't know why he doesn't want to push this forward. i'm more upfront to say he needs to go for what he's done. leland: it certainly seems as if you were saying we're getting a new leader, it seemed there was a smile on your face about that. jim jordan, are you behind it? >> i'm for whoever can bring their best message forwards of leading this conference in the next two years to deal with mandatory spending and bring the
conference together and jim certainly has those attributes as other people. leland: so short of a full-throated endorsement, but at least a positive feeling. good to see you, congressman, appreciate it. >> have a great weekend. leland: all the best. enjoy florida. liz. elizabeth: going back to the cohen tapes, it did little to rattle trump's conservative base. politically the president may or may not have a price. and an attorney joins us live. andrew, thank you for joining us. i want give our viewers a clear understanding exactly what this investigation is about. first of all, with this investigation no one has been indicted and the second distinction i want to make, it's in the hands. u.s. attorney's office, the district in new york. there's a big distinction between the investigation we're talking about with the mueller investigation and this particular investigation. and i want you to sort it ought for us. >> the two are not the same, they're not interchangeable. i think that everyone is trying to lump everything together with
respect to those investigations. they're two separate tracks and i think those tracks are going to continue for a while regardless what happens with respect to the special counsel investigation. elizabeth: okay, so we're talking about a separate investigation, but the fbi did raid michael cohen. they raided his home, his office, also his hotel room. why is that important? we're learning more and more about these tapes. what can these tapes prove? >> you know, look, i'm kind of-- when i hear about these tapes, what i think of is the wendy's commercial. the argument, "where's the beef"? and there's no "there" there. i get why. you have the potential president talking to a -- about a playboy model. and these investigations aren't important because you have the president and his lawyer talking about a hypothetical payment
that never takes place. elizabeth: okay. i want to make a distinction here because the tapes were made -- they cannot-- am i right when they cannot prove intent? or get-- ments they can't get admitted into court. the tapes aren't complete. you can't make a whole bunch of the conversation out and it's only half of the tape. it's a proof problem, i don't think they can be introduced in court, much less used. elizabeth: the take away, a, why do we care and also the timing. you're right. he's now the president of the united states. at the time he was running for president, so that the lines are getting blurred on where is that cash coming from, is there a conflict when it comes to campaign finance. do we need to care about that? >> no, i think ultimately this is going to blow over and it's not going to be important. i think you have to remember the motivation of mr. cohen. his motivation is, a, to get a presumptive pardon from the president or angle and get a
good deal with the special counsel's office and ultimate i will, you have a president or soon to be president talking to his lawyer in conversations that are supposed to be sacrosanct. they're supposed to be protected under all instances, and you have a gentleman, mr. cohen, who's taping these conversations and that's a breach of his attorney obligations, but number two, when he leaked these tapes to cnn, that's a double breach. you have to remember his motivations. his motivations are impure and he's trying to angle for his best deal and that's problematic. elizabeth: and what is his motivation, does he want a better deal? could he be in legal jeopardy otherwise? any chance of him vying for perhaps a pardon? i don't think it takes an expert to say that's probably gone out the window. so-- has it not? >> well? >> no, i don't think it's gone out the window. i think the reason why he released these tapes and he also made that disclosure with
respect to president trump's son meeting. he's very clear angling for a pardon. i call it a presumptive pardon, kind of like what ford did with nixon that's what he wants and if he doesn't get it, he is he going to rat out, for lack of a better word, the president. make no mistakes about it, i think that he has damaging information on the president. but you're with your lawyer, you're free to talk any way you want and not having to worry about that attorney turning over that information to the prosecutors and that's the most unfortunate thing about these tapes. elizabeth: thank you for joining us, sir. perhaps we'll be the same place next weekend talking about the information and the story keeps unravelling. thanks so much, appreciate it. >> any time. elizabeth: tune into fox news sunday. chris wallace will talk with rudy guiliani with the
investigation and the russian investigation. check your listings for time and channel. and maria bartiroma has a conversation. and how why i kirtz will -- howie kirtz has a story, and it's fascinating how they're approaching the story differently. leland: almost like a different world out there. crazy now jobs coming because of his tariffs and a struggling because of the tariffs. look what it means for the tight senate races around the country. what they don't need, more rain. hershey pennsylvania causing flooding and continuing to add to the agony for millions of americans. forecasts coming up next. what they need in california is rain as firefighters continue to battle deadly wildfires in
california. all on the ground now as those fires continue. >> yeah, firefighters are battling multiple fires across the state. the latest on the devastation as residents scramble to get to safety coming up.
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> >> reunifications of the families on the border continue this weekend after that court ordered deadline came and went. complicating things, many of the kids still separated belong to parents who have already been deported. garrett tenney joining us for a breakdown for what is next for some of these families. does the governor have a good plan or they're trying to figure it out already? >> that's one of the problems, we don't have a timeline when this is going to happen. that's what activists are upset about. there's a long way to go before all of these children will be reunited with parents. as of friday, they said they reunited eligible children. that's 1900 of the 2600 separated. dhs says it hasn't reunited the 700 plus children because the parents aren't eligible because
they have a criminal record or some illegal aliens adults are not available or eligible, and some who are in the interior of the u.s. or in their home country or have chosen not to be reunited. the administration will continue to make every effort to reunify eligible adults with their children. now, in a court filing this week, lawyers with a.c.l.u. say that some parents were misled by the government and never meant to leave their children in the u.s., but the director of ice told our own shannon bream for at least some of the parents, leaving their kids here was likely part of the goal all along. >> some of these people had left the united states without their children chose to leave the united states without their children because they basically got what they wanted, got the child to the united states, live with relatives, get the education and be the next daca applicants in the next ten years. >> democrats are attempting to slam the trump administration over the process and a.c.l.u.
tweeted some 463 parents were report without their children and the government isn't trying to reunite them. we will not back down, donald trump. you are responsible for fixing the crisis you made. on friday, democratic senator bob menendez said the nightmare is not over. the administration could not meet yesterday's deadline not when 463 parents have been deported without their children. the trump administration says its job of meeting the court deadline is over with. the critics are saying it's far from over. leland: the critics, we'll hear about this through november. garrett, thank you. a former dhs official on challenges and options not only for the separated families going forward, but for protecting the border as well. >> fire and rain are causing life threatening conditions foran americans on both sides of the country this weekend. high temperatures and dry air is
fueling the flames for wildfires out west, forcing evaluaticuatin california. heavy rains pummelling states up and down the east coast causing dangerous flash flooding. we'll have much more on the flooding in the next hour, but first let's turn to the deadly wildfires out west burning all across the state of california. one of the fires is called the carr fire forcing thousands of evacuations in northern california, turning deadly, taking the lives of two firefighters battling the blaze. our own correspondent, jeff paul, is on the ground and he has the latest. jeff. >> yeah, liz, we're inside the containment lines in the town of idlewild. you can see some devastation caused by the cranston fire, a lot of burned trees and other vegetation. if you take a look beyond the tree branches, you can see hot spots that are still firing up. now, this fire so far has scorched 13,000 acres, but
fortunately is 17% contained. but further north in redding, california, a car fire remains. it's already killed a bulldozer operator and a local firefighter. more than 80,000 acres right now, so far burned by the fire and it's only 5% contained. 37,000 people are under evacuation orders. the fire has destroyed at least 500 structures and is threatening an additional 5,000 structures. many right now are scrambling to get to safety. >> threw a few things in the cars in the garage, backed out and got out of here. as we pulled out right here, the flames were just, not even one block down here, swirling and noise, wind blowing. i mean, it was just, nothing i've ever heard in california. >> now, to make matters worse, the conditions throughout the areas where the wildfires are expect today remain constant, dry, hot conditions. the firefighters say they're not expecting relief anytime soon,
but out here where we are in the town of eyidyllwild, they have handle on the fire and crews are holding the lane steady. elizabeth: jeff with the latest. thank you so much. leland: coming up, what options are there for stopping iran's role in syria. why a deal worked out between president trump and president putin, put the brakes on iranian influence isn't working out. the impact of the president's steel tariffs, who is winning and losing. >> we've got an audience of steel workers some of roughest,toughest people you've ever seen and half of them had tears coming down their face. i don't know if these people ever cried before in their life, to be honest. half of them had tears coming down because we opened a tremendo tremendous united states steel
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♪ >> all right, this is happening right now. five family members of the folks killed during the tragic duck boat accident in branson, missouri are being laid to rest today. 11 members of the coleman family were aboard that boat that capsized in rough weather. the only two of the members are still living today. very sad. ♪ >> president trump declared tariff victory. visiting a steel plant that hired 800 workers. but those tariffs are killing some of the manufacturing jobs president trump says he cares about the most. we went to missouri for the president's visit to meet some winners and losers of the tariffs and how it will affect
the very senate race the president has campaigned so much for. >> the silence at this assembly line represents 140 lost jobs. tariffs increased the cost of steel by 25%, forcing the company to raise prices. >> bad, i mean, we're in crisis mode, within two weeks 50% of the orders we had on the books were gone. leland: it keeps getting worse? >> it keeps getting worse. leland: mexican owned mid continent is the largest manufacturer, and they'll close without a tariff waiver, leaving 500 out of a job in poplar bluff, missouri. as we walked around the floor. phil's toolbox grabs our attention. this is his fiancee, she works here, too. and this is his daughter, she has a congenital heart issue. and now he's looking to a
democratic contender to save his job. >> in a tight race for a third term from a state president trump won by 18 points. >> clare came here and is actually fighting for us. i haven't seen the other guy do anything. leland: the other guy is 2018 senate candidate republican attorney general. >> we need josh badly. leland: and president trump endorsee, josh hawley. >> i think they make a strong case for exclusion, but at the end of the day we have got to get better deals across the board. leland: this aluminum is coming out at 2,000 degrees fahrenheit. it might as well be liquid gold for these workers. 300 people hired sips the tariffs came in and it helps bring this plant back that's been closed for more than two years. >> president trump gave us a chance to fight on a level playing field with these tariffs. we have taken advantage of that. we're thankful for the administration for it happening. leland: we caught up with the
cummings family of workers. three of more than 300 workers hired. all three of you supported president trump? >> oh, yes, sir, he's kept his word on everything he's said as far as i'm concerned. leland: no surprise the cummings family is staunchly behind president trump and his candidate, josh hawley. let's bring in indianapolis based radio host tony katz heard on the worldwide web. good to see you, my friend. you think about this, this is playing out not only in missouri, but indiana for the senate race, in wisconsin for the senate race where you've got harley-davidson. do you think this is going to be a problem for the president? >> we don't know yet. we honestly and truly don't know yet. i think one of the things is true that all politics is local. i think it's important and valuable and when you talk about the interviews you did there, which is really well done, and people saying, this is having an effect on my job, i think that's legitimate. we can't deny that's 100%
legitimate. but in the main, people have faith in president trump. he's earned it. when we talk about this economy, talk about the tax cuts, which is one of the things i would say to that missouri worker. claire mccaskill didn't vote for tax cuts. to talk about her on trade, that's you being upset. leland: i was going to follow up with a question and, but i was stunned you gave me a complim t compliment. >> and what about the tie. leland: you can button my top button. and you say all politics is local, chris stire walt's note, it's the economy stupid. and are voters a rational actor. they vote their pocket book, as much as their feelings about
their pocket book. it doesn't meter matter if you get a tax cut if you don't have a job. >> if you look at anecdotal evidence. if you look at the main and where people are with president trump and being supportive, they are still supporters of president trump. and they're willing to let him roll the dice on the tariff conversation. tariffs are taxes, we get this and i do wish that the president had done more in the conversation of listen, there's going to be short-term pain. we're going to do this to get to the real results and i think a good indication of that was when he was in the rose garden and there jean-claude juncker from european union. going through stealing of technology and a whole list of other things and he could have just said, china, china, china, china. that was the story, it was an absolute direct conversation and direct it to china and their trade practices and it was well
done. leland: the china play is still coming out of this administration. we keep hearing that and keep hearing more pressure on china. you did get a feeling when-- and you listened to a couple of republican senate candidates who are taking on democrats in trump states. they are so loathe or scared, maybe, to criticize president trump. as we heard from josh hawley, just unwilling to say, hey, look, some of these tariffs are hurting my constituents and my people. does that put them off as a little bit too crass or a little bit too out of touch to just be like, yeah, yeah, there's pain, people have got to deal with it so we can get to better deal? >> i think that they can be honest and they should never be afraid to be honest. i'd say that mr. hawley in missouri and-- >> oh, we all know republicans--
not republicans, all politicians are terrified of telling the truth and you could say that's why president trump was elected? >> no, no, you shouldn't be afraid of telling the truth. the big one, what in the world does it mean to stand up to president trump? what you've heard from josh hawley or mike braun, president trump is trying the thing that needs to be tried. in foxnews.com today, andy puzder talks about the trade imbalance with china. around 150 billion dollars the first five months of this year. you can't sit around and do nothing. there has to be an attempt to make the deal better. i think the president should talk about what it's going to take to make that deal, some of the sacrifice that needs to be involved, some of the price increases that you might see in the short-term, but in the long-term we create the better world for the worker of today, the worker of tomorrow, your kids and that's how we make america great again. i wish he would take my advice on that subject. leland: well, you never know. at least you're not shy about giving your advice. >> i hear he watches, so--
>> i always appreciated you about that. good to see you as always, my friend. to be continued. elizabeth: ahead, curbing iranian influence in syria. president trump calling on russia to help in syria. why that plan does not seem to be coming together.
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wants iranian influence out of syria. did he accomplish that? and what's your take on the situation? >> first of all, i don't think it's possible. iran runs the war in syria and the ones that motivated the russians to join in that intervention back in 2015 when things were not going well for the regime. i don't think the russians have that kind of influence over the iranians that we would maybe think they do. syria's really a problem for the administration. they were given a lousy hand because obama did nothing with this civil war, kept his hands off of it and it just spun out of control as a human catastrophe we've been talking about it for years here. we're down to very few options. and even, to give you a sense of the problems we have with russians, where the campaign is fighting-- where the pro regime forces are fighting with the iranian proxies, russian air power, is the very place where secretary
tillerson and foreign minister lavrov agreed to establish a deescalation zone where there would be no fighting. and the russians have already broken that. there's major combat operations taking place there. elizabeth: what is the motivation for iran? and why do we care? >> well, we care because the iranians want to dominate and control the middle east. syria is their strategic anchor to do that. elizabeth: it's closer to israel. >> yes, and they have established clearly a shia crescent that moves from their country to iraq into their country and into lebanon. if only you can contain iran, you must confront them in the middle east. and the other thing that the administration is doing a good thing about is they're stitching together a political military alliance, kind of like an arab n.a.t.o., something we've talked about here, also, and they're in the process of putting that together and the main purpose would be to push back on the iranians, to push back on their aggressive and maligning behavior geopolitically.
elizabeth: if somebody is pushing back on iran, you could argue it would be israel, am i right? >> israel has near-term concerns about it. one of the things the iranians are doing, they've got 130,000 rockets and missiles in lebanon and those missiles in there are to one purpose only to fire into israel and they've done that in the past the they're trig trying to do the same thing with smaller bases inside syria with the purpose of firing into israel from multiple locations, thus overwhelming the very good air defense system that the israelis have. and imposing casualties on tel aviv and jerusalem. that's why the israelis are so interested in establishing a buffer zone north of their border. elizabeth: they talked about and this week in particular, they're boasting this red line, they're enforcing it. they want iran out and they want weapons forces, factories, the border, the closures like you said between syria and if not mistaken, lebanon, is that right? is that red line going to be
holding? no, no? >> what has happened is the russians proposed to the israelis a 50 kilometer zone north of the israeli border where there would be no iranian proxies. the iranians rejected that because that's not acceptable and they'll go back and negotiate. possibly something may come out of that, but it's going to sake -- take some time. i don't think that the united states has had a hand here that plays very strong. elizabeth: thank you for talking to us. we'll have you back because the conflict seems to be getting quite heated. appreciate it. leland: hasn't gone anywhere for 2000 years. why the trump administration says parents left their kids behind when they were deported. what does the administration do with those kids? what happens next to the remains
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border. about 700 more children remain separated from their parents according to officials. joining us now theresa cardinal brown, director of immigration policy at the bipartisan policy center and former department of homeland security official. thank you so much for joining us. >> nice to be here. elizabeth: the very, very latest is that we're still seeing about 700 children who are not reunited with their caretakers or their parents, but there's really some nuances there because in some situations the parents have, in fact, been deported and they're not-- they didn't get their children on the way back south. is that correct? >> yeah. so of that 700, some 400-some have been deported. the government is saying they knew their children would be left behind. advocates say maybe they didn't understand what they were saying. and some the parents cannot be located in the united states or elsewhere and then there's a children number of parents the government is not sure they want
to reunite the children with. maybe there's an issue with identifying whether the adult is related to the child or the adult may have criminality. elizabeth: what does it mean when you hear that a parent has left a child. >> parent are trying to look out for the best interest of their children. the whole point of a lot of them coming to the united states is trying to give them and their children, but especially their children, a better life. so-- >> if that means leaving them? leave them? >> if that means leaving them so that they can have a better life in the united states that's what they'll do. frankly, that's not new. there have been stories of children sending people to america for a long, long time and they stay behind in the home country because the child is going to have a better life in the united states. immigrant families have been doing that for generations.
it's not new. elizabeth: that brings me to the next question. and this is more of a macro view, when families are separated perhaps it's not necessarily new? am i right? because the laws have been in place and families have been separated before. it's that we're getting a lot of attention not only because of the influx, the concentration and obviously, it's politically divisive. >> so there are cases previously when the parents have been separated from the child when there's questions of whether or not the adult is actually related to the child and whether the parent may have been involved in criminal activity or smuggling and when there's dorn about the welfare of the child. that's been happening for a while. the difference is the policy determination of the government separating parents from their children via the zero tolerance policy as a way of deterring other families from coming. elizabeth: a public declaration that this is a deterrent. >> that's something new, we
hadn't seen before. elizabeth: any predictions over the next-- we have 700 people who have not been reunited. is this going to be a continuing saga. >> the government says they're working on this. when ice deports somebody back to their home country they know longer keep track of them. so the government's a lot relying on nongovernmental organizations placed in the home countries to try to relocate them. thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. leland: millions going to farmers caught up in the trade war. is it enough to keep families from going bust?
vulnerable districts hoping to shore up the votes ahead of the midterm elections. allison barber has the latest, near bedminister new jersey. >> reporter: president trump is set to be in tampa on tuesday. it seems like he's going to talk a lot about the economy because that's what he's been doing for the past couple of days. he's also saying even though historically the president or whoever the president's party is when they're in the owe l val o, their party tends to lose seats during the midterm elections, president trump says he doesn't think that will happen because of the success they're seeing with the economy. take a listen. >> i'm going to work very hard. i'll go six or seven day days ak when we're 60 days out and i'll campaign for all of these great people that do have a difficult race and we think we're going to bring them over the line. i really believe that because we're doing so well as a country and so well with the economy, i think we're going to be
surprising a lot of people. >> reporter: the white house is trying to keep the focus on the economy in general but a number of other stories are muddying the messaging waters and making it a little difficult from new questions about the 2016 meeting at trump tower and the president's former lawyer to the decision to bar a cnn reporter from an open press event after the reporter tried to ask the questions mostly about cohen in the oval office. i asked about the decision. >> is that going to be a standard moving forward? i know i'm a newbie. i continue to shout questions after the same pool reporter after i was told let's leave and i didn't have a similar percussion. >> if you had seen the video, it was clear that it was ongoing in terms of asking the same question over and over again. it was clear after five or six,
seven times that they told them it was time to leave the oval office. this is more of a matter of being respectful to our guests at the white house. >> no regret about that decision? >> absolutely not. we have constant contact, communication with the press. >> reporter: reporters also asked about the situation with cohen. she referred us to the president's outside counsel. liz? elizabeth: allison barber with the latest. thank you so much. leland: a little bit more about that situation. the war between president trump and his former attorney, michael cohen, is not easing up over the weekend. cohen claims that mr. trump had prior knowledge of the 2016 meeting that his son had with some russians. the president firing back, calling cohen, his former lawyer, a liar. jillian turner with the back and forth. there's a lot of it, the name calling, keeps getting worse. >> reporter: michael cohen, president trump's long-time lawyer is now claiming that his
boss approved the infamous trump tower meeting that's become a feature in the mueller probe. the meeting took place in new york city on june 9th, 2016 including donald trump junior, paul manafort, jared cur nea kua kremlin lawyer. president trump said he did not know of the meeting with his son, donald trump junior. sounds like someone is trying to make up stories to get himself out of a jam. the president's son has insisted his father had no knowledge of this meeting. >> it was such a nothing, there was nothing to tell. i wouldn't have even remembered it until you start scouring through the stuff. it was a wasted 20 minutes which was a shame. >> reporter: the claim comes from cohen just days after someone leaked a recording of a conversation between him and president trump about hush money paid to a playboy model. now the president's inner circle is speaking out on the matter and they're painting an
unflattering portrait of cohen. >> he lied to people about taping them, both the president and other people. not only that, we went to subterfuge to do it, a whole little game. >> reporter: in an interview two months ago with abc news guliani called cohen, quote an honorable honest lawyer. still looking ahead in a few days, the trial of paul manafort will kick off in arlington, virginia. and insiders anticipate that witnesses there will also be asked about this meeting. leland: before that, rudy guliani on fox news sunday tomorrow, we'll see what he has to say then. it will be interesting for sure. thank you, ma'am. let's bring in democratic strategist, former obama campaign regional field director, robin byro. good to see you. appreciate it. >> thank you. leland: you know that democrats keep yelling this is proof of russian collusion by the trump campaign. there doesn't seem to be a lot there, there and you've got to rely on the word of a lawyer who just a couple of weeks ago
democrats were trashing as his horribly unethical terrible guy. >> i see your point. it's a good one. you have to really wonder, is he just setting himself up for a plea deal. i think yes. you brought up the lead-up to the segment, it was great that you pointed out that just two months ago rudy guliani said he was a very honest and honorable lawyer and now he's saying that he's a pathological liar and that they've known that for years. it's hard to read the truth in any of this. one thing for sure is that cohen is clearly not looking out for his former client's best interest. anyone can see the tea leaves that he's you apparently rolling on trump probably t vie for -- probably vie for a plea deal. leland: do seam democrats hava dangerous proposition going forward if they rely too much on
cohen's word, and it turns out as you say it is an people say t is as a way to save his own hide, to sell out a former client, whether true or not, do democrats have a danger if they rely too much on that going up to the mid-terms and the rug gets pulled out from under them. >> i don't think we should rely too much on this. i question a lot of what's going on. i read the entire transcript of the conversation. a lot of it was unintelligible because there watt a bad record recording. there wasn't a whole lot there. donald trump is is smart enough to have not had it come from campaign funds. democrat woulds have been wise to let this play out and see what unfolds going forward. right now there's not enough to sink our teeth into on this in my opinion. leland: a measured and reasoned response from the hysteria we
typically get on both sides of one lea tea leaf meaning so muc. democrats continue to double down over and over on russia and president trump's treatment of russia. being from the obama campaign, we look back in the archives, you'll remember this moment, we'll play it and get your response. >> governor romney, i'm glad you recognize that al-qaida's a threat. a few months ago when you asked what's the biggest geopolitical threat facing america, you said russia, not al-qaida. the 1980s are calling to ask for your foreign policy back. the cold war's been over for 20 years. leland: that did not age well, as you might imagine. how do democrats avoid the hypocrisy and sickening feeling when watching that and talking about russia? >> as a special operations veteran, i can say that russia is one of our foremost geopolitical adversaries.
we need to keep that up. they don't have democracy in their best interest. they'll do anything to subvert that. leland: how do democrats answer for all of these times that democrats cozied up to russia, whether it be hillary clinto cln and the reset button or president obama and flexibility or that clip making fun of republicans talking about russia and saying it's so terrible president trump might have had a relationship with the russians. >> there are dangerous mine fields for democrats, make no mistake about it. we have to be careful how we proceed on that. in full disclosure, i was active duty military during the entire obama term. once i was done with the campaign, i joined the army. i'm not quite up-to-speed with everything that happened with obama during that time. i'm getting there. i have concerns about what happened during that period of time. leland: robin, we appreciate it. as things play out as you noted, we don't have all the facts, we'll have you back to talk
about them, sir. >> thank you so much. leland: liz. elizabeth: let's get reaction from the other side of the aisle. let's bring in eric beach. thank you for joining us. we heard from robin, saying this is a mine field for democrats, we need to tread lightly. at the same time, so do republicans. my question to you is if there was coordination, the catch and kill the story, and we have the tapes which we talked about are kind of sexy, does that break campaign finance law? is there proof in these tapes? >> no, i don't think so. i think part of the problem for mr. cohen is, one, he probably illegally or even if he waived attorney/client privilege, at least unethically released the tapes. more importantly, the tapes don't show anything. they don't show demonstration of campaign finance going around those laws. with all of these folks that have attacked the president, what happens is they've been exposed after the facts.
james comey, he says reach out and try to gwynn it for the democrats -- gwynn i go win ie democrats. elizabeth: i'm sort of curious. there's been so many lines, is cohen flipping, is he rolling on trump. what does that mean and what does the end game there, meaning what does the landscape look like three months from now if he quote, rolls or flips? then what? is it unsavory information or is a violation of campaign finance laws? what is it exactly? >> in the last 18 months, it's been how do we undercut that president. they started off by talking about collusion with russia. turns out that hasn't been accurate. they haven't been able to prove any facts on that. they seem to kind of move the goal post to try to undercut his agenda. many have been attacking his agenda, not just from the democratic sides but they're easy to see where they're coming. we know they have no agenda
moving forward. we know they're going to attack. even the republicans or never-trumpers or folks that are parts of washington establishment, he railed against them. they're trying to prove a case against the president. they're coming up with nothing. elizabeth: i'm curious how you think the president will come out of this unscathed. >> i don't think he comes out of it unscathed. there are deterrents in washington, d.c. what happens here, there's overreach. there is overreach by his opponents and the problems they have is his agenda is working, economically we're doing better. even in the so-called trade war there are many facts that we've seen people coming to the table now that they haven't done so before. his foreign policy decisions and his meetings with other leaders of the world. so i think they're going to have a real problem just focusing on
saying his rhetoric is bad when his policies are working for the people of the united states that he represents. elizabeth: that's why i'm curious. we can see the platform on some of the democrats ahead of the midterms focused on the latest with michael cohen, focusing on the president perhaps lying about, covering up affairs before he was president, when he was a billionaire real estate builder. so if you're a republican, where do you stand and do you take the president's side or how do you campaign on the other side of the aisle? >> i don't think you let the narrative, which is all about russia or were we attacked in russian meddling which no one cared about prior to this election and it's been going on for many years, i think the republicans look at it and say we ran on this agenda, we are proving out that we're getting results for america class, the forgotten men and women of the united states. i think the republicans would be wise to run on this trump
coalition agenda. it's about standing up for what you believe in, talking about protecting our borders, talking about growing the economy with u.s. jobs. elizabeth: at times the administration is the biggest enemy because it's all about distraction. sometimes we want to talk about the agenda, instead we're talking about stormy daniels. >> you can't help it when some of the networks have 90% coverage of it, you have to respond to it and be proactive. look at some of the midterms elections that have happened, some of the 2017 elections, the results matter here. the truth is, we have a great map going in 2018 as republicans. they would be very wise to run on what they campaigned on, those core issues that got donald trump elected. if they do that, they will be elected and grow seats in the senate and house in 2018. elizabeth: to support that argument, who he has endorsed even recently, even this week, they are turning out on top. so we'll see how the midterms come along. eric, thank you so much for
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here to weigh in, fruit grower michael derider joining us from near his farm in grand rapids michigan. it's right there in the center. good to see you, as always, my friend. $12 billion, you guys still have no idea whether cherries are part of this or if it's only soybeans or soybeans and wheat. >> that's correct, leland. we do know that there is assistance package that has been announced. i think farmers at the core get a little uneasy when they heard the word subsidies or freebies. american farmers are some of the hardest working people in america, trying to provide safe food for american people and abroad. i think the assistance package sends a message to american farmers that the trump administration hears us, that they're with us, and they know that we're taking the brunt of this tariff battle that seems to be going on and i hope that the world leaders across the world
are listening and they realize that this administration is not going to let the american farmer go under, take the brunt of this and be pawns essentially in a tariff trade. leland: you make a good point about did american farmers never wanted a hand-out, they want a hand up, if anything and certainly an even playing fields. ron johnson, the senator from which iwisconsin, this is become of a soviet type of economy here, the administration figuring out how they'll sprinkle around benefits. you know it's unsustainable to bail everybody out at some point. >> no, i think that's correct. i heard criticism that $12 billion may not be enough. but like you indicated, we can't bail everybody out. at some point we do need free trade, more importantly we need fair trade. we can't keep letting china
violate world trade order, trade practices, and we can't let them violate intellectual property rights. we can't let turkey dump cherries into the u.s. leland: first to the issue of china, heres the president yesterday. >> china's doing a little number. they want to attack the farm belt because they know the farmers love me, they voted for me, we won every one of the states. leland: that was thursday when president trump was in iowa. is he right that farmers love the president? i know i'm going to ask you to speak for everybody. more importantly, are any farmers starting to lose faith? >> i think right now i don't think the sentiment towards the president has changed a whole lot. that's just my personal opinion. i think we knew when he was running his campaign that he was going to a very aggressive trade agenda and with aggressive trade
agenda sometimes comes a bit of pain. farmers know all too much about risk and reward. it takes one night and i can freeze my crop and lose my entire income. this sends a message that the president's still with american agriculture and he's going to stand with us and try to get us some good trade deals that are free and both fair for the american farmer. leland: we know that especially in michigan the farmers need a lot of help. you talked about cherries, cherry crop this year not great, to say the least. and you've got this issue of turkey continuing to dump cherries into the u.s. market that's killing a lot of michigan and wisconsin farmers for sure, washington state as well. have you guys heard any progress on getting that squared away or any kind of tariffs perhaps to put on turkish cherries to level the playing field? i wish i could sit here and tell you that we have got a great update for you and we've solved the problem. the unfortunate part is we're still trying to work through that situation of turkey dumping
in. as i indicated about a month ago with you, we've spoken with secretary perdue multiple times about tart cherries. we've spoken with wilbur ross in regard to the trade issue with turkey. we had a senator from michigan, senator peters, who mentioned it directly to the president and the president acknowledged that tart cherries need help. leland: you get the sense and maybe this goes back to what ron johnson was saying, deciding between winners and losers. at least right now, the tart cherries in the losing category. come back and let us know if there's any updates. >> thank you so much. appreciate the time. leland: liz? elizabeth: the long journey home for fallen american service members who served in the korean war may soon be coming to an end. the remains arriving yesterday at a united states air force base in south korea before ultimately making their way to a military lab in hawaii for identification which could take some time. brian yenis joins us with more.
hi, brian. >> reporter: u.s. military c-17 landed in north korea friday morning to pick up 55 cases said to contain the remains of missing u.s. soldiers who died serving in the korean war. the aircraft then flu to the osan air base in south korea where u.s. service men and military honor guard lined up on the tarmac to receive the remains given to the u.s. by the north koreans. the cases are being flown to hawaii where forensic examinations will be done to verify two i thin things. one, that the remains are pugh human and two, they are in fact dead americans or allied troops. james mattis said yesterday the u.s. government has no indication that there's anything amiss but he said we don't know exactly who is in those cases. more than 35,000 americans died on the korean peninsula during the korean war from 1 50 to 19 - 1950 to 1953.
6,799 are listed as missing in action, 5300 are believed to be on north korean soil. yesterday's handover of remains came on the 65th anniversary of the end of the korean war and especially important day for its veterans. >> the importance of this dramatic return today is the sense that we who served in the military, world war ii and the reason war will never leave one of our people behind. >> reporter: on friday, president trump thanked north korea's leader kim jong un for fulfilling a promise he made to the president during their one on one summit on june 12th. the administration hailed yesterday's move as a sign the summit was successful. on "sunday morning futures with maria bartiromo," in an interview that will air tomorrow, vice president mike pence said this. >> the fact that this president sitting down with kim jong un to
negligence other yates the complete -- negotiate the complete denuclearization of the korean peninsula also had our fallen heroes on his heart should tell you everything you need to know about president trump. my wife and i are deeply moved and deeply honored to be able to be there when we bring our boys home. >> reporter: the state department tells fox news that in this instance, north korea did not ask for money and no money was exchanged between governments to hand over those remains. by the way, liz, vice president mike pence will be there for the ceremony in hawaii when the remains arrive on u.s. soil on august 1st. elizabeth: what a story. brian, thank you so much. and a programming note. if you want to see that exclusive interview with vice president mike pence, you can see it in its entirety tomorrow on "sunday morning futures with maria bartiromo," that's right here at 10:00 a.m. eastern. leland: coming up, will the gop fracture over their next leader?
our political panel on you how republicans can stay together. and severe flooding in pennsylvania gets worse as more rainfalls. meteorologist adam klots with the forecast. hi, adam. >> currently we're looking at some of the heaviest rain moving offshore. unfortunately, there's going to be another round of rain moving in. i'll have all those details coming up in the full forecast after the break.
elizabeth: jim jordan's run for house speaker pits him against what he calls the establishment republicans. >> it's the town, it's washington the swamp is the swamp. they don't like someone like donald trump coming in and changing the swamp, changing the way the town works. there's reluctance to ever change. elizabeth: they're both running. they're both republicans. they're running on different platforms. let's bring in our political panel more insight. josh kimball and kevin whaling, thank you for joining me. kevin, i think i know where you stand on this. we're going to get to nancy pelosi. josh, i want to start with you. these are two very different i guess you could say fractions of -- factions of the republican party. will they be splitting the vote? >> they'll split the vote until we agree on somebody that's going to h beat nancy pelosi or whoever the democrats put forward. i like what jim jordan is
saying, we've got to drain the swamp, change the establishment. what i would say to kevin, we have kevin mccarthy on the republican side, nancy pelosi on the democrat side. they're yesterday's news. we need to put new candidates forward, make congress work again. elizabeth: i want to bring you in the conversation, kevin. jim jordan is speaking on behalf of the freedom caucus for those who know politics, that's about 30 members of the republican party who by and large really do a lot to block if you will, to block votes, let's be honest. are you running on blocking? how does that work? >> we are 1 -- we are 101 daysm the midterm election. it's interesting to see the conversations that are going on in both parties. parties are like big families. to see the fact that jim jordan is out, vocal, the first announced candidate for republican leadership in november, the freedom caucus torpedoed kevin mccarthy's bid
for speaker last time which is how we got paul ryan. now to see an announced member of that freedom caucus running it will be interesting heading into the fall. elizabeth: how would he get support from establishment candidates, talking about jim jordan. how will this play out? >> we've got to focus on making sure republicans retain the congress in november. elizabeth: right. we can't be talking about -- we're making assumptions here. we haven't even gotten to the possibility of a speaker pell low c we're making assumption as that the republicans will keep the house, which they may not. >> i believe they will. they're going to have to focus. right now if you look at what's happened, we've had almost two years, a year and-a-half of the trump president c we'v presiden. we've had republican control of both chambers. we've got obamacare as the law of the land. republicans, we're not thrilled about that. what the congress needs to do right now instead of fighting over who will hold the gavel is make sure the party will be able
to hold the gavel, continue to pass the conservative agenda, work with the president, try to get rid of obamacare. we've got to roll back regulation, streamline spending, eliminate agencies, reduce the definitdeficit and they can figr will be speaker. elizabeth: that involves congress getting things done, am i right? so kevin, i want to get your response too. we're making some assumptions on the republican side. we also can assume that there's a possibility of nancy pelosi, you can't tell me she will have a smooth ride to the top. >> that's music to my ears, what josh is saying, taking the fight to the republican leadership that has been ineffective delivering on republican proposal. obamacare is still the law of the land. they're talking about a second tax cut. we have a short time line in the next 101 games we're face -- 101 days. we're also facing a potential government shut down. elizabeth: she has candidates that are winning primaries.
>> you've seen enthusiasm on the democratic. elizabethside.what nancy pelosie raised $87 million so far this cycle. kevin mccarthy raised about 40. she's symptomming for her candidates. when she said what's your reaction to so many democrats say they won't support you for speaker, she said just win and we can have the conversation once the democrats take back the house. elizabeth: i'll give you the last word. we're getting the time cue. >> don't get too excited yet, kevin. >> we have a lot of work to do. >> your party's a disaster. you have ocasio-cortez who is saying she's a straight-up socialist. she's the party of bernie san determines don't get too excited yet. i think the republican congress needs to govern better. your party's strategy right now has been obstruct and block. that's not working either. >> you guys control both claim burkes it's your position --
both chambers. it's your position too. elizabeth: we don't know what's going to happen in the next 101 days. we'll be talking about it before and a thank you, gentlemen. thank you. leland: a fox news weather alert, as more rain is headed to pennsylvania where floodin flooe flooding as killed two people. the race against time to save what property folks can and get out before the water rises again. >> we saw some of the aftereffects of damage to foundations, but what we also saw was a lot of good people pulling together to do whatever they needed to do to make sure lives were saved, property was protected and it was really heartening. leland: meteorologist adam klotz ha at the fox extreme wear center with more. >> a ton of rain on the east coast the last kim days, specifically there in pennsylvania, starting to see darker colors. we're getting spots up to 8 to
12 inches. we're getting a break right now. that's good news. the heaviest rain moving off the coast. there are going to be another round of showers moving through the area. good news, spots like pennsylvania where they saw the heavy rain, they may get more but they won't get the heaviest of the secondary round of rain. here's the future radar. you see a spin of moisture up the east coast. these are isolated pop-up showers, something we'll play close attention to. the heaviest of this rain will fall farther to the south, areas of virginia getting up to another 6 to 8 inches, as you run up the coast, more rain, another 2 to 3 inches on areas that don't need the rain. it's not the real heavy rain that will head in this direction. that's something we'll be watching very closely here the next couple of days, leland. leland: they would do anything for any rain out in california. adam klotz at the weather center. thank you. elizabeth: the u.s. economy hits a high note and the president is seizing on the strong gdp growth.
how the market could fare as president trump's trade war escalates. >> if economic growth continues at this pace, the united states economy will double in sizemore than 10 years faster than it would have under either president bush or president obama. - in a crossfit gym, we're really engaged with
better this year. leland: joining us now, founding member of capitalist pig hedge fund, john hoenig. good to see you as always. you listen to the administration. we were on the brink of epic economic disaster and now it's time to pop the champagne and order more. fair? >> well, look, it is time to pop the champagne. no matter what you think of the president, leland, this is a tremendously strong economy. there's no way to get around it. both in terms of gdp as you pointed out, 4.1% and in terms of unemployment also historic lows. this is reason to celebrate. you also i think have to put it in context. the economy has been growing for the better part of 10 years straight and in fact we have seen that 4% gdp number before. we saw it four times under president obama. no reason to denigrate today's rally and today's strong economy but the question now what is do we have moving forward. a lot of the economists and
market investors are pretty concerned about some of the efforts from the president when it comes to trade. that's the big fear. there's no question we can have growth. trade is the sticking point when it comes to investors. leland: give us the pluses and minuses here. what's different now versus q2, q22014 when we had growth numbers better than what we saw yesterday. >> more than anything it's the fangs. if you want to say what's been powering the economy going forward, it hasn't been steel, not the only economy stuff, it's been the high tech stocks, what they call the fangs. leland: there's a difference between the economy and stock market. >> i tend to think the stock market tends to be a good leading indicate leading ender . -- indicator of the economy. the stock market was at an all-time high under president obama. after that, the economic numbers really started to excel. i think the market tends to be a
good leading indicator. i have to say, 10 years into the growth cycle, with a lot of these fang stocks, the facebooks, down so sharply on friday, this is a reason to worry. if technology can't continue to lead the market forward, it's one reason we could see tougher times ahead. leland: we toss up gdp growth 2014 to tight and w 2018 and wet by the quarter as if it was over the whole year. we see that we have the potential as vice president pence was saying about having something greater than 3% in 2018. you talk about facebook got absolutely trashed over the past couple days, their stock. amazon, though, record earnings, apple still doing well. are these tech stocks that really aren't providing a huge amount of jobs and a huge amount back into the economy, are they
the drivers? because if you listen to president trump when he was at the steel factory on thursday, he says u.s. steel is coming back and that's what's going to drive the economy. >> look, there's no question, it's been the tech revolution. that's where the jobs are being created. it's companies like facebook, amazon, netflix, that's where not only the growth has been. that's where the investment has been. that's where the interest has been. it's a global economy. there's no reason why the economy can't continue to grow. i think the only impediment if my opinion could be trade. the president said we lose money on trade. that's a unique way of looking at it. a lot of economists bodies agree. if -- would disa. leland:agree.leland: i lose a y to amazon and apple every quarter. >> you get a lot too. elizabeth: after the break, a major shake up in the vatican this morning as a high-ranking
cardinal resigns in the wake of sexual assault allegations.
the car fire has resulted in the death of at least two firefighters, killing them as they tried to save so many others. the president's action authorizes the department of homeland security and fema to begin coordinating all of the disaster relief efforts as the fight continues. elizabeth: a high ranking catholic cardinal has stepped down from his position today, resigning in the wake of a decades-old allegation of sexual abuse by at least four people. kitty logan joins us from london with all the details. hi, kitty. >> reporter: pope francis formally accepted the resignation today. the cardinal is one of the most prominent members of the american church, american catholic church, to lose his position in this way and living memory. a statement from the vatican said the resignation letter of the cardinal was received on friday.
the 88-year-old cardinal was removed from public ministry after historical allegations of sexual abuse surfaced in june. those allegations date back more than 50 years. one man has come forward to claim that he abused him when he was a teenager and another man alleges that when he was just age 11, he forced him into abusive relationship. the catholic church has been tainted by sex abuse scandals in the past and is determined now to clean up its image. the vatted can says the pope wants to send a strong message that sexual abuse will not be tolerated. >> what this means is that no matter how important your position, no matter how prestigious, when it comes to sex abuse, you're going to be held accountable. >> reporter: pope francis had ordered mccaric to go into seclusion for a life of prayer while the allegations are into. the cardinal has denied the allegations against him, saying
he has no recollection of the incident. there is of course also an investigation ongoing. elizabeth: kitty logan with the latest, thank you so much. appreciate it. leland: we all remember bonnie tyler, total eclipse of the heart. how liz feels about me all the time. anyway, it was a totall total cf the moon -- eclipse of the moon, we'll show it to you coming up. ♪ it's a marvelous night for a moon dance with the stars above in your eyes. i'm ray and i quit smoking with chantix.
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leland: welcome back. if you did not get a good night's sleep last night, you have an excuse. it was i hear a full moon and a red moon due to the lunar eclipse. there it is. the longest lunar eclipse of this century, the earth and moon lined up, casting our planet's shadow onto the moon during the one hour and 46 minute eclipse. north america was in daylight during the eclipse. if you missed it, that's why. our continent will see another blood moon come this january. elizabeth: i know you that don't believe me, but you really -- you sometimes don't get a good night's sleep. leland: i don't believe you about most things. i should believe you about this? elizabeth: yes. if i didn't get a good night's sleep last night i would blame
rage with this? >> and saying farmers are saying it's okay, we can take these tariff, the hitter that getting, i haven't heard a farmer say that. >> says the guy with a 757 jet. >> and it can be revoked by congress they have a voice to play here if they want to play it. if they hate this trade policies so much, they can do something about it. >> and every day, we see people cowering in the corner, we see someone like the commander who told the truth in front of the senate committee and in front of america. and as long as we have one person telling the truth, every day, getting that news out, we have a chance. >> that does it for us this morning, stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage. >> thanks, mika, joe. hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle. facebook says it has found dozens of fake accounts, all part of a covert campaign to attack the american democratic process. surprise, surprise, just before the 2018 midterms.
was it the russians again? and what can actually be done to stop it? >> that has everything but the kitchen sink in it. it will be the sanctions bill from hell. and it is all about the base. the president rallies his faithful in florida, playing loose with economic backs. but guess what -- we have got more fact-check. china had others, remember this, have targeted our farmers. and you know what our farmers are saying, it's okay. we can take it. and the sky's the limit. ceos cash in thanks to the president's tax cuts. new numbers this morning on who that tax cut is benefitting and whether or not it's trickling down. we're going to begin this morning with that new attack on the american democracy. facebook uncovers yet another attempt at foreign influence, pages pushing divisive and damaging political rhetoric, this time leading into the 2018 midterms. i have a great team here to
break all of it down. but first, i want to remind you what has been uncovered in the last 24 hours. facebook says it's identified a covert campaign meant to create political discord across the country. it removed 32 facebook and instagram accounts. accounts nearly 300,000 followers ran hundreds of advertisements. that means facebook gets paid across the platform. and creates about 30 different events. facebook did not so as far as to specifically blame russia, but the platform did acknowledge, quote, some of the activity is consistent from what we saw from russia's internet research agency before and after the 2016 elections. james clapper the former director of national intelligence under obama he's holding up and back. listen. >> facebook should be commended for being open and transparent about this, as soon as they discovered it. even though they apparently weren't prepared to make the call, you know, it's actually
the russians. i'm pretty confident it is. walks like a duck, aqquacks lika duck sort of thing. >> now deleted pages and accounts were connected to organized protests like unite the right sequel to last year's shauls charlottesville rally. while facebook did divulge the information about the campaign it did not skriek some of the most divisive rhetoric, declining to release the depth that some of those pages went to stoke racial tension. j jolene centkent joins me now. i will not go as far as james clapper and commend facebook. this is the first time they've said anything but also they're backed into the corner gimp the
scrutiny journalists have on it. >> that's right. what we did on the business team here at nbc news, we ran a web archive search. what it turned up was rhetoric which was much more decisive, we're talking about soaking racial tensions, all kinds of partisanships popping up. and used in this particular case. but what we're seeing right now, it's not just happening on facebook, this is also happening on instagram, steph, as you mentioned. and what is really the most interesting part of these accounts and pages and ads are the fact that these events are being planted in real life. and facebook acknowledged to reporters yesterday that there has been real life activity, real people, interacting with these so-called fake events. and they're not able to assess whether or not they actually happened in person or not, but it certainly raises a lot of red flags. so as much as facebook says they're being more transparent,
there's a lot they're not sharing. they're not pegging this to a certain country, not even the russians. even though they say there's a huge resemblance to the ira back in 2016. the most interesting twist at least where i sit on this front is they're covering their tracks better. they're working on this, using vpns, they're going through third parties, they're trying to disguise themselves. >> it's a gargantuan problem. hearings the good thing, facebook has a gargantuan network. what's in store, i got to be honest, when we saw mark zuckerberg testify, it was humiliate, not for him, but for those questioning him. it was as though i was watching my crazy uncle grand pa asking how that facebook machine works. >> yeah, there were certainly a lot of questions that came off
as extremely unprepared. hopefully, members of congress have come to their senses i know a lot of my sources have come to educate congress asking tougher questions next time around. you're going to see new faces highly influential people. the coo of facebook, cheryl sandberg will be. and the google ceo, he's dlt a lot with youtube as well, as our report shows there's a lot of conspiracy and misinformation happening on that platform. so, he has a lot of questions to answer for it as well. you can expect hopefully a better grilling. we'll definitely be there to be asking those executives the harder questions. >> a grilling, lindsey graham wants to put together policy. you know what happens in 98 days. an election. i want to bring my panel in, jeff darvis, he's a professor as
well as a blogger. elise jordan, former aide to george w. bush and my dear friend senator bob sortorsi. jeff, to you first, if i bran beyer aspirin, and there were contaminated aspirin around the country, you know what i'd do, pull all of the aspirin offer the shelves until we figure it out. >> most of what happens on facebook is good. >> most of the aspirin in grocery stores are okay. >> look for your feed and tell me where you find the nazis. we have to switch around, facebook did finally get its act together. facebook is our best ally in this fight. we have the head of dhs saying, oh, i don't see any russian stuff going on. facebook is our best defense, that's where we are. so, they are -- >> they took ad dollars from these outside influences. >> they take ad dollars from a lot of people.
so do media company and so do all of us. if we want to look at an outside influencer, three blocks away at fox institution and rupert murdoch. let's try to get perspective on where this goes. facebook had a big problem, they're finally addressing it late, but they're coming to the party. what we need to do in journalism, media, is help in this to try to identify things. they're not the enemy, russia is the enemy. >> i think it's positive that facebook is coming forward, they're starting to be proactive and communicate with intelligence officials, communicate with law enforcement officials so they can be moral proactive. and it's harder for people in government, other elections individuals with partisan agendas to deny there's a problem. >> elise, high up in facebook, they're very frustrated because government isn't sharing anything with them. government isn't because they don't want to.
no one self-polices. unless there are clear regulations and guard rails do you really think they're going to find the right path here? in the banking industry if you weren't going to get in trouble with doing business with unsavory counterparties, there are people who would do it. >> i do not trust the trump administration to set these guard rails. i have what i call the info wars which facebook failed. they just succeeded. they finally -- finally, i think that they've got to have tougher standards where mark zuckerberg is not responsible for free speech in this country. mark zuckerberg runs a private company where he can say this belongs on my platform and this doesn't. so, yes, i agree, they've got to set higher standards for human behavior there. but keep in mind the scale, zuckerberg said at a developer's conference a few months ago they kill 1 million fake accounts a day. it's not as though you have some humans saying that looks russian -- doesn't happen,
inaffiliating our democracy. >> because our government is complicit, thank you, with that propaganda. as i say, they're our last hope. i agree with the senator. they're a slippery slope. it's not about facebook. it's about facebook setting the standard for human behavior. i'm in steph's bar, steph says, jeff, i'm not going to serve you because you're a bozo, get out. mark zuckerberg has the level to do that at some level. >> he has the right at some level, and you're comie ing offe week when the white house kicked a journalist out for doing her job. if mark zuckerberg gets to say you're a bozo, get out, the president wants to say you're a bozo, get out to any journalist fact-checking his daily lives? >> well, they've had a tough relationship. it's generally been to the benefit of both to co-exist.
and the president doesn't necessarily see the benefit of that established relationship. so, he's basically exerting what he has -- he does -- he has the power to do that. is it right? >> i don't think so. >> he does have a pruublic responsibility? >> he being the president? >> yes. >> if i had a chance of deciding what gets into the american discourse who runs the risk of foreign ones, getting heard, that's a tough choice and i think i'd take my risks. >> you're in the multimillion-dollar company that does that, media has always done that. >> what's so wonderful about the internet, i thought, is that we were getting away from free speech. costs a billion dollars to get in the game. >> exactly. >> and we were going to have extraordinary america speak. that's what's so wonderful. now, we're losing that. if you're going to set up u.s. corporations or the u.s.
government being the ash sister of speech, it's really gone. >> i agree. the problem is we have manipulators ahead of the game realizing how to play into the weakness of the system. >> let's just say, against all hope that the trump administration actually stepped up, defended the country and went to the russians which is too expensive to do which they should. many saying the same thing the same things for a variety of reasons we can't discuss, they're coming in anyway. the way you destroy irresponsible speech is you drown it out with responsible speech. >> i agree. the other way you do it you start to set standards. now, we have this loosening ever emotions on the internet where anybody can say anything. at some point, you have to say to your friend, did you really mean to do that? >> exactly. this ultimately gets involved not by corporations, it gets solved by the american people. >> amen. >> we win and lose our democracy
ourselves. >> amen. >> last word. >> yeah, i'm not that confidence. people love their crazy speech on the internet. i don't see them toning it down. >> one of the things i learned in my political career, when i started, i'd read something and say, oh, my god, the world. then you come to believe, people do have a filter. and yes, somebody may. but you can't react to everything you read or see. people are not as stupid as they appear. i think this is a lincoln line, if you see the individual american, they'll scare the life of you for our democracy, but there is a collective wisdom to it. >> also, if you sit down face-to-face with someone, people aren't evil. they want to live their best lives. when you go out there a trump supporter and you say those people are ignorant, this and that. they wanted to live a better life. and the system they were living in isn't serving them. >> exactly. >> those aren't people born out of hate and want to create violence, no. >> hardest problem we have is
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business partner rick gates whole they say embezzled millions with his firm and cooperating with investigators to save his own skin. nbc's ken delanian is at the courthouse. what are we expecting to see today? >> reporter: okay, stephanie, today, we're expecting to hear from another consultant who worked in the campaign for paul manafort. explain how it is these americans are overseas working for foreigners, how they get paid, what they do. the first witness yesterday was tad divine, a democratic local strategist, and he worked, he testified that his firm worked for manafort for the ukrainian elections for many years. paid $500,000. plus a $1 million success fee to help elect in the election. and jankovic would not have been elected in 2010 bout his help.
washington. >> reporter: you're absolutely right, stephanie. this is the ultimate swamp story. how ironic that john podesta, hacked by the russians, a key part in this investigation, his brother, tony was a lobbyist working for paul manafort on this ukraine lobbying. he's now under investigation for allegedly failing to register as a lobbyist for a foreign government. a foreign entity. and only him, greg craig, a former lawyer in the obama administration and vin webber, a former member of congress also caught up in this. mueller has decided to hand this off to the southern district of new york for investigation because this is beyond the scope of what he's looking at. and it's an effort by the government to step up, what they believe, is sort of a habit of people failing to register when working for foreign lobbyists. they're under investigation, stephanie. >> ken, i hope you brought your note book and a couple of pens, i have a feeling you're going to
run out of paper. coming up, florida frenzy. the president rallies his base in tampa, promoting his tariffs against china as good for farmers. but if the tariffs are working why on earth did the president have to announce a $12 billion bailout for farmers. uh-oh. olay ultra moisture body wash
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welcome back, i'm stephanie ruhle. the president he was in rare form in tampa last night, tossing out applause lines about a imaginary attack on christmas and needing to use i.d.s at the grocery store. that makes no sense. let's put that aside and learn what it means to focus on americans. the telling them to support them even if it hurts. >> china and others, remember this, have targeted our farmers. not good. not nice. you know what our farmers are say? it's okay. we can take it. we've helped rebuild china. we can't do that anymore. we can't do that anymore. and our farmers understand it.
and our workers understand it, and frankly, our companies understand it. >> here's what we do know, according to cnbc, the administration will propose raising the tariff rate on if $00 billion worth of chinese imports from 10% to 25%. the proposal could be announced as early as today. those tariffs would be in addition to tariffs already in place, or slated to go in effect in coming weeks. ultimately, u.s. tear rivariffs more than than $500 million worth of exports. the chinese promised to retaliate with their own tariffs. the question now, who blinks first? right now, it looks like china is hurting more than the united states. the chinese currency is down against the dollar. in fact, beijing is now talking about taking targeted measures to ease the pain. last night, the president said his trade policies are working.
>> thanks to our powerful trade policies, the trades deficit is falling and falling and falling, and boy, did it fall this quarter. the daying of plundering american jobs and american wealth, those days are over. they're over. >> dear america, we deserve higher wages, you deserve to thrive. but what the president just did, he lied to your face. the united states deficit with china has increased to $93 billion in the first quarter of this year. the numbers that would round out the second quarter, well, they don't come out until friday. and there are other signs that this could be a very risky gamble down the line, if the president goes through with all of the tariffs he's threatening. the chief economist with moody's mark zandi says, quote, it could push the total job losses to
$700,000 and a half percentage point of economic growth likely nudging the country into recession. all of this leads republican candidates running in their home states in a very tough spot, do they stick with the president and his trade policies, even if it risks losing voters? well, that could certainly hurt them. in recent days one of the party's recent donors charles cook has been pushingard offering republican candidates an alternative. >> we're seeing a rise in protectionism. for countries, organizations and individuals are trying to keep themselves from these changes. they're doing whatever they can to close themselves off from the new. hold on to the past. and prevent change. this is a natural tendency, but it's a destructive one. because when people act in protectionist ways, they wreck
barriers, which makes everyone worse off. >> i want to bring in robert costa, national political reporter for "the washington post" and moderator of one of my favorite shows. elise and bob are back. in washington, are they afraid of the president, but he made a pretty good argument right there. >> they want -- stephanie, they're very nervous, when you're talking to candidates and lawmakers about the midterm elections. they want support from conservative donors like charles koch. but they also need the support of president trump, they tell me, to try to get that kind of coalition together to stave off a democratic wave. it's not going to be easy. it's a balancing act for a lot of these republicans. >> i want to read part of a quote from "forbes" which read china is and the united states
is going after the united stach jugular. and china is feeling it. >> and they're saying they're glad they're taking this on? >> i'm going to take a contrary view. i feel the same way. you know it's going to question another dollar for a shirt to win the fight against china. okay. we're not willing to make any sacrifices -- if the goal here is pretrade which i hope it is in the trump administration the only way there is to confront the problem? >> do you think confronting the problem, $12 billion in aid to farmers? >> i actually believe, whether you like what trump is doing or not or agree with his policy or not, do i think he's going to win? i actually do. just as the germans came in last week and talked about zero tariffs. the germans cannot longer feel
that. >> you got no fear this is going to turn into a currency war? >> i have every war. it's a high wire act. i think it's very dangerous. your question, do i think donald trump wins this? yes, the chinese market down, they're using reserves. they're highly leveraged. they're gdp growth is now down to 6%. and we all know they lie with their numbers. they're growth may not be much more than ours in our developing economy. the political pressure for oligarchs in china and the political person for the overemployed or underemployed must be getting problems. you think trump is getting concerns from charles koch and farmers, that's nothing like from china. >> you also look at the soybean markets and how they're being destroyed. right now, they might be buying up because they know they're going to get hit with new tariffs but why not go to brazil
for all of this? >> because they all get shu shuffled. as the chinese now tart to buy from brazil and australia -- >> i would rather them be buying from -- >> -- the people who were buying from those markets now shift back to the united states. it's just a dislocation, that in time works out. >> i wish i shared your confidence that it would all settle that easily. but i think the disruption from the interim is going to be -- >> there's no question. >> we're already suffering. >> i think about guys like ben sasse, republicans in states with major farming, paul ryan. do they share the president's sentiment on this and do they share how bob toroselli thinks, because i don't think they do? >> you see republicans striking a more free tone in that, but you don't see them calling out charles koch too much either for having his own point of view.
i mean, there is still a wing of the republican party, even a republican party that president trump has a total grip over it seems day to day. at least polling indicates he has intense support from a majority of the republicans. there's still a conservative element that believes free trade, small government, that was the way of the past and should be the way of the future. president trump for all of the stylist differences for republicans is changing the ideology of the party and there are some people resistant to that. >> senator, i want to share what larry kudlow said about how this is impacting china. you have to remember, larry kudlow is a guy who weeks before going to the add straight urmin urged not to go there. he called them taxes. >> the key point here all of a sudden the chinese are being isolated. klein, by the way, ask the eu to do a trade deal. the eu said no. the eu said to us, we would much
rather have a deal with you, the united states that's why president trump in president yonk 's meeting was so important. >> here's what i don't get, if multilateral trade deals are the best way do go after china with tpp, why do they want to blow them all up? >> i'm a defender of the trump policies. and here's what we can't all fall into, because of the way we feel about trump politically and personally and the damage to our democracy -- >> what? >> well, a little bit. the goal here is free trade. my party. my friends, from barack obama to bill clinton, didn't get us to free trade. it was structured trade. >> just because they got it wrong, what makes you think he's getting it right? >> well, because finally, these imbalances had to be confronted. the europeans came to washington last week and proposed a zero tariff in both directions, trade
relationships which they've now -- >> which is what we're working toward with tpp before this happened? >> obut with the europeans we hd not gotten there in 50 years we had these imbalances. massive imbalances. where we were discriminated particularly with the germans in august and agricultural products. say what you will, this is a high-wire act and it is dangerous. >> with light trucks we were imposing tariffs. the president takes only one side of it and shows that hand to the american people. >> that is true, but nevertheless, this idea that somehow we're violating free trade, we haven't had free trade. it's structured trade. there is no free trade. and the multilateral negotiations charged with this never got us here from the kennedy round until trump. he may fail, too. but the idea of finally going to the chinese and saying we're not going to have this structured we're going to get to real free
trade, we're not going to get to free trade until we get past the structure that we have now. >> so it is, though, the answer, this is basically new taxes for americans. so, it is donald trump -- it's definitely not free trade, and if anything, he's raising taxes on basic consumer goods that people who are not going to benefit from cutting capital gains taxes they're going to -- >> first of all, the press' assumption is because you put tariff on american product that gets to the consumer. there's two big assumptions there. first, that chinese product isn't replaced by something from another country, second, the company can't absorb it. >> procter & gamble said this week, get ready for more expensive typers. f diapers. for all of the mothers and fathers out those dollars for that it does matter. >> you're assuming that procter & gamble that has competitive products isn't forced to absorb that itself.
>> the president just tweeted about jeff sessions and said the mueller needs to end now. and then about paul manafort asking why the government didn't tell him he was under investigation. robert costa, to you, first, what are your thoughts on the president's latest tweet, of course, calling the mueller investigation a rigged witch hunt, when we know between plea deals and indictments, we're up to 35. >> the president's tweet says attorney general jeff sessions should stop, his words, the rigged witch hunt. is this a direct order from the president of the united states? to the official overseeing the justice department, a nonpa nonpartisan law enforcement institution. if so, if you're rod rosenstein today picking up your phone or robert mueller, you just be wondering what is next. is the president actually going to make a move against the special counsel. >> bob, you can say the american people don't want to hear the ins and outs of this investigation but it's the
president that throws it back in the news every minute of every day? >> he does, whether it's by design or dumb luck, it's had an effect for him. he's worn down this investigation. he's worn down mueller. now, he's had accomplices, comey has been the perfect foil here in destroying the credibility of the investigation, too. nonetheless, trump's relentlessness, the wearing it down, has put it in a precarious position. if this manafort trial does not succeed, this investigation has got real problems. >> this tweet about manafort is really incredible. it's always someone's else's fault. the government should have warned donald trump not to hire paul manafort. it's the government's fault. never mind that mccain was able to make that judgment. >> decades ago, donald trump was one of thirst first clients and had been for years so for donald
trump to make the argument that government should have told me a year and a half ago, that is absolutely disingenuous, is it not, robert costa? >> you're definitely right, stephanie that the president has known paul manafort for decades. manafort even lived in trump's tower. when paul manafort was under fbi scrutiny he wishes he were alerted to that, but the fbi traditionally does not alert if they're under criminal investigation. they try to keep it under rap. >> elise. >> it comes down to judgment and donald trump consistently shows poor judgment. >> it comes down to poor judgment. and anybody who hires a campaign manager does some due diligence investigation of them. turning over any stone would indicate that paul manafort has a host of problems. >> he knew him is my point, he knew him and knew exactly the
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>> president trump continuing to tout the benefits of the steel and aluminum tariffs. but in communities like clyde, ohio, where a single company defines an entire town, the president's trade policies are have something unintended consequences. msnbc's garrett haake joins me from capitol hill. garrett, you were recently in colli clyde which is the home of the america's largest washing machine, whirlpool. >> reporter: yeah, the economy is humming, people are buying houses because of these tear. >> referee:s, because of 30 unpredictability, a lot of folks there telling me they're keeping a nervous eye on washington. welcome to whirlpool country, clyde, ohio, population, 6,000, clyde whirlpool plant, population 3,000. >> the rest of the community, willful goes clyde goes
whirlpool. >> reporter: roughly two-thirds of the taxes paid by whirlpool and the workers and businesses within it. >> we're standing in part in whi whirlpool. is that indicative of where they are? >> with whirlpool being here 65 years. >> reporter: you can imagine how thrilled they were when president trump announced he was slapping 25% tariffs on washing machines. sticking it to whirlpool's biggest competitors like lg and samsung. the company's ceo called it without a doubt, a positive catalyst for whirlpool. but in march, new tariffs this time on imported steel and aluminum hit his company where it hurts, the supply chain. this washing machine was built in clyde, a lot of it was made of steel and aluminum, the body, the trim and even the wash tub.
data from financial analysis firm show prices creeping up as the stock slides. bill sold hundreds depends on w how important is that plant to this town? >> it's huge and huge to the neighboring towns. i mean if anything happened to that plant this would be a ghost town. >> reporter: a ghost town? >> it would be very tough. >> reporter: this is as close as we could get. the company wouldn't let us talk to anyone on camera. workers we met told us they were told not to talk to reporters at all. but the company has had lots to say about this issue. in his most recent call with investors, ceo vowed to take the right action for investors. the company said in short, the net impact of all remedies and tariffs has turned into a headwind for us. this community is watching to see what whirlpool and what the president do in the face of that headwind. clyde's future depends on it.
do you trust him on this? >> it gets tougher every day but i have to have faith. i have faith. >> reporter: stephanie, he voted for president trump back in 2016. the politics of this are fascinating of the this is a county that president obama won twice, then president trump won by a big margin. folks were happy about that first round of tariffs on imported washing machines. they want help from the government but they're watching very carefully to see what the president does next. they hope this is all a negotiating tactic. >> faith and optimistic are both very good. thank you. more on money, power, politics. we are six months into the president's tax cuts, those cuts were supposed to trickle down to workers' paychecks. instead thus far the biggest investments have been made in stock buybacks. nearly 700 million bucks in the first few quarter. politico reviewed data and found executives who got major paydays, thanks to buybacks,
oracle ceo sold $250 million worth of shares in her company. that came after the company announced a $12 billion buyback. mastercard ceo sold $44.4 million worth of stocks just months after the company announced a buyback. he was the largest single cashout by an executive of the company in at least ten years. 55,000 shares were sold for $5.4 million two days after the company announced a $2 million buyback. the corporate tax savings are bypassing workers and going straight into shareholders' pockets. joining me now to talk about this is my friend ron kushevxi. companies were to have cash freed up and reinvest it in the company and see wages go up. when you think about who the
priorities are, their shareholders and their consumers and we haven't really seen it hit the worker yet. >> we have to pay fair competitive wages, we have to serve our communities and we have to make our share price go up. that's my job. >> yeah. >> and so that's what we do. stock buybacks are a form of corporate finance. they need to be done like investments. you can buyback stocks. you can make investments. you can pay dividends. to sit there and just link it completely to executive compensation i think is rather simplistic and not the real issue here. >> well, then what is the real issue? when you look at income inequality, when we saw these tax cuts, they were told it was going to help the american worker. do you think the american worker is -- wages continue to stay relative stagnant. >> that's not true. this week the government said that's the highest they've been in ten years and wages are growing 3%. >> they are looking at eci data
and that's factoring in health care and that factors in a whole lot of the if you go to the average worker they're not seeing wage increases. amazon continues to have employees on food stamps. >> the old adage -- >> everybody can find data to support their argument. >> right. the economy's growing, wages are increasing, i believe, just the simple 3% year over year. it's the highest since the financial crisis, so, you know, i don't see -- i do want to say something, okay? the biggest issue i think economically in this country is income inequality. i'm going to agree with you on that. and we need to find policies to narrow that and that runs the gamut from education to opportunity to a number of things and so i'm not going to take issue with that. >> do you think we're doing things to address that? my reservation is this, i look at the massive tax cuts and i look, the treasury has less and less money they have to borrow
more and we've got massive budget deficits and the president talked about a trade deficit but those budget deficit cause us to cut programs that people on the bottom need. >> the interesting thing is if you want to save the budget deficits increased trade deficits if you want to give it in economic terms. look, we as a country, we as a society can do and should do a better job of narrowing income and inequity -- >> do you think it's happening right now? because the tax cuts aren't yet paid for and we've got this idea float that had we're going to now inflation adjust capital gains tax and while that might not be a bad idea it doesn't address the big problem which is income inequality. >> the first thing is jobs. when jobs are at 3.7%, the economy is growing 4%. i hear all of these things that it's not sustainable. things are better and as things are getting better.
workforce participation went up. so let's talk about some of the positive things. are we going to take income inequality and at the end of this show make it go to zero? >> no. >> i don't think so. >> one of the reasons people voted for the president was because he said i'm going to address it, attack it and solve it. do you see policies being put in place that solve it? right now it's corporate leaders who appear to be addressing it more than government leaders do. >> i think the policies of -- you know, these are all political issues and in an economic terms and i don't agree with all the politics necessarily, but in economic terms i think there are things being done. what's being done on trade in the long run is negotiation. in the long run it will lower tariffs, it will lower barriers. it's just a different way to go there versus what other administrations did. i think that all of the things that we're talking about which encourage investment and encourage employment are steps in the direction to increase the prosperity of this country.
there's some big issues. education's one of them. >> without a doubt. the president says he's turned the economy around. so walk me through where we've been the last eight or ten years since the financial crisis. do you think the president turned it around? because i can't find anything that needed to be turned around. we were on a slow but positive path. >> look, there's no -- i don't know that any administration should take blame or guilt for turning anything around that they inherited. however, since the financial crisis until just recently, we weren't growing at 2%. >> correct. >> compare that to 30 years of growing at 3%, that's one-third less gdp each year for ten years that is lost prosperity. so are we turning around? 4% gdp -- when's the last time you heard that? >> five times during the obama administration. >> okay. did you say it was not sustainable then? the point is, the point is, is
that we have 4% gdp, we have 3.7% unemployment. let's not confuse the politics with economic policy. at least i'd like to separate them. >> without a doubt. when you look at the markets, do you feel like we're continuing on a positive trajectory. some people feel like it's those stock buybacks keeping things afloat, they worry that we've been on this positive trajectory for such a long time, where's the cushion if we do have an economic down turn? >> rates are being increased. >> is that a good thing? >> it is. we need rates to go up. the economy is higher rates signify a stronger economy. so in many ways, a lot of the things that you're talking about, the economy is on a good pace here, all right? and so go at policy and go at tweets and go at all of that,
just don't go at the economy, that's a bad argument right now. >> ron, thank you so much. i appreciate it. i don't need to go at anything. we would love to a good daily and great economy and great education system. i said it before, every american once to be financially free, physically safe, thank you for being here. all right. we know how we like to end the show. it's the best part of the show. we always end with good news because we believe good news rules. a grocery store employee in baton rouge, louisiana, is being lauded toward his act of kindness to a shopper in autism. he welcomed the help, guiding him and encouraged him every step of the way. for 30 minutes he helped him do it. that young man's grandfather called, i believe he said it was a great act of kindness. i appreciate it and that guy is
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just that love them nothing is there for the nothing of a first out then the fashion. there's a whole system out there that we haven't explored as the stuff. on your ology body perception force transmission elasticity wound healing there is scarcely a field in which fashion does not play a major role and seen from today's perspective an often surprising you know what if . it's a new buzzword. but what exactly is it. found throughout the body to reckon on to the skin deep. it's
a hidden whitish colored fiber spanned of connective tissue that accounts for roughly twenty percent of our body weight like clingfilm flashy enveloping muscles tendons and organs and provide a link to our. for centuries the physiological importance of the fashion was overlooked or underestimated but now is considered to be key to our health is at the onset to relieving one of the most common of all let a back pain. a search for answers takes us across the diamond in maine in the northeast of the united states thomas meyers trains physiotherapists he's written a pioneering book on fashion and that he trains. as has long believed that the fashion is in dick an egghead throughout the human body. is something comes to me with plantar fasciitis i very seldom get the best results from treating their plantar fasciitis i get the best long term and talking about
back handles the weight as the body goes forward just keep rolling forward in a tight loop because we want to see whether the spine is processes are going away from each other if they're fashionably locked in some area probably hard to see on the camera but she is locked between l two and l three here if i'm trying to resolve a low back situation i can't afford not to look everywhere because i don't know where the source of that is going to be because the tense i gree of the fashion system will make it maybe show up in the lower back which is a very weak point for all of us but that doesn't mean that it's sourced in the low back half to look at the whole pattern i have to address the whole pattern if i have any hope of taking the pain away in any kind of permanent way. and that's only trains as a bible for therapists worldwide but what is the science behind my eyes or anatomy
of connection here and then where is the girl. in front for the german sports medicine specialist young very is trying to find out he's conducting research into whether such anatomical chains really exist. in a series of experiments that has looked for evidence of the back line that might describes . him leaving the angle should trigger a movement of the fashion at the back of the eye to find. and in fact the ultrasound indicates a gliding of the flash of their. ministers of. at least in the initial findings of our pilot type results it appears. that
when i move something down there is as a divide and if i stretch the lower thought in our souls that it seems i can detect a strain transfer to the area of muscles at the back of the upper thigh it now and so that's. the second experiment is more revealing proving the functional connection between the subtle spine and the length separated by the entire length of the back. first of the protests this article spawns mobility then the subject stretches his lank. wants to know what effects the stretching has on the cervical spine. so so let's look at the results as we see here the mean value of the five repetitions that we just undertook one hundred eight degrees is the total mobility value averaged through the five repetitions four degrees more than the previous test so mobility is improved following the stretching the leg muscles it we've seen an improved ability to bend and stretch the head in the area of the cervical spine
. and that again seems to indicate a mechanical force transmission across the muscle fashion connections in this case from the legs to appear to the cervical spine so that you. even if for centuries hadn't been pointed at all muscle fashion lines working with the fashion rolled on the up a fine certainly affects more distant body parts such as the neck. philcon suspects that force is transmitted not only vertically but horizontally as well. as the of that of a how is this relevant to practice if that's because ultimately the goal of research is to make it application oriented to see if it provides an alternative for physicians or physical therapists or patients i don't stay in the as a so do patients really need to work on the cervical spine to relieve neck tension more they can lay if they don't want to do. that maybe also work on the torso or
the legs and achieve release through a force transmission effect physician. who was the first to render the fascinating full body network of fashion a visible to the naked eye. in his long professional life the hand surgeon from bordeaux in france has performed countless operations. in surgery you see every day how the land is of connective tissue slide to and fro but how does this connective tissue function. it's a question that so far no one has answered. it covers a wall i want to know how it functional so that i could reconstruct tendons better i say because tendons do a connective tissue all. at the institute of hand and foot surgery in bordeaux governor to makes the world of the fashion visible with a special camera. the films the tissue inside the living body.
his pictures have changed the way medical specialists view the fashion. you see those are the organizing fibers. it seems totally chaotic but it isn't it's what makes life possible in the first place a perfectly efficient system. if you still spot that glass the more we research it over the more we understand the fashion and its structure north shore all of this will open the door to new therapies the operative word. the italian city of power to our posts one of the oldest universities in europe it was here that galileo galilei proclaimed that the sun and planets do not revolve around the earth and it was here in sixteen seventy eight that the first woman in the world received her ph d. degree. today the university's revolutionary tradition lives on in anatomy
a grapefruit. nicholson what they did that it limited and in this great free it helps us to understand what the fashion is and how it's connected to the muscles. and i thought if i cut through the great phrase we see not only the flesh of the fruits and the few little certifiers components that divide the grapefruit into individual sections and support the tissue of the fruit. in the course of the destruction of human second shows her students have a fashion is found throughout the body. waste that a quick look at more this is the fashion with the connective tissue which allows me to slide from one level to the next you know it is better like the piano with if they call me and you see how extremely fluid it's trying to become
a fluid how it can be moved with ease more of it filled me with a look at all i can get into as it's all made up of rows that hers had likeness and to share and it's so beautiful. cause tech is research on fashion has helped reveal what we know today fashion exists everywhere in the body and many shapes and consistency lives. directly beneath the skin as the surface fashion. the deep fashion enveloped our muscles and also are almost fibers like the skin around a sausage. the fashion also invalid's. organs and i whiter skin even the brain as protected by the station. while there are only we can even view them in injuries as a special fashion because ultimately it shares the same characteristics as fashions that we know from other parts of the body they caught. with the help of numerous anatomical analyses cast teka has produced an atlas of fashion. the findings are
a reason eighty percent of people suffer back pain. the large back fashion researchers haven't yet been able to unlock all its secrets but evidence points to its significance for many types of back problems. with that is somewhat of an isolated the thorough colomba fashion the most important day fashion and the human body before more like it may be on when it got a pro it is now being studied by so many researchers because it appears to be the cause of unspecified back pain because if the my skin as bit if you call. the fashion of the back are among the most important fashion in the body but. how can fashion cause pain why do these layers of tissue in particular cause so much trouble. like as one of germany's best known research on fashion ever since he discovered how fashion is connected within the human body and how important movement is for our connective tissue he's exercised
every day with a skipping rope. as a trained psychologist and physiotherapist who like many involved in fashion research came to the field seeking answers to problems he saw daily in his practice to discover what he was feeling with his hands he did a sabbatical and devoted his energies to scientific study. he did his post doctoral thesis on fascial tissue at only university's institute of applied physiology his findings have won awards. i might this is an amazing gift it's a bit like a fairy tale because the facia really was a kind of cinderella's or something like that plump spotty kid at school who gets laughed at but then suddenly gains recognition that yes i have for me it is a deeply moving story and one that is also true that in the past the fashion was seen as a disposable organ or not only classical anatomists were happy when they had removed this colorless sticky tissue to expose the actual muscles and organs and mousqueton
are gonna for this to our or and that in recent years this structureless organ has attracted so much attention and that's to me is a really exciting development in the c.s.f. spawning vehicle. wants to determine the diverse functions of the long underestimated fashion and find out what this fibrous white tissue actually consists of. is comprised of fiber blasts and a surrounding structure known as a matrix. fiber blasts of the sounds of the connective tissue. among other things they produce the college in five years that the matrix largely consists of effectively the fresh a build up a home out of college an. interest otherwise about and interestingly the cells in the fashola connective tissue only account for very little of the tissues volume
picture and the left shows healthy undamaged tissue before the arm was put in plaster. pictionary was taken three weeks later and. the change in the tissue is unmistakable it has become matters a structure fickle and chaotic. but. the data we've obtained show quite clearly that a lack of exercise results in over proliferation of the connective tissue structures and thus in a loss of function so that this is the decisive discovery or it means that exercise is essential for maintaining our fashion it's no one's with us it was out of the. too little exercise and bad posture can cause fasher to become so rigid it can even compress nerves and muscles. exercise we're told is a key to good health movement is also vital to maintain healthy fashion which needs regular stimulation otherwise it a gluten it so become staff. people with desk jobs who do not do sports to
a cause of back pain the studies are normal are they there's no indication as to what would be causing the pain conversed a lot of people have terrible of king m.r. eyes you know degenerative disks but they don't have any pain so we thought well what about that right along our fashion because it's a huge structure in the back it really essentially connects the shoulders with the eps it's a big sheet of connective tissue. as we can see from an ultrasound picture of an arm the fashion is arranged in layers when we move they slide back and forth. this also applies to the fashion in the back and how research compare. during the tissue of people who suffer from back pain with out of people who don't most of them has discovered that the difference lies in the connective tissues ability to slight. in normal people we have two layers like this and they can they should be able to move by about seventy five percent of their of their legs. when
you went back most and then we know that in people with back pain is reduced to about fifty percent of the of the of the of all of their legs and so we know that there's a reduction in the amount of of striding that occurs between layers things like a german colleague. going from believes the cells of the connective tissue are responsible for this. whenever they produce too much college and the sliding becomes more difficult and experiments with drops he's proved that exercise can counter this overproduction. we do experiments where we have we induce a little injury in an experimental animal very very small injury and then we randomized and want to either stretching or no stretching and the the the animal this stretches twice a day and this is a very kind of nice very calm gentle way of making animals stretch and then we find that the animals that stretch have decreased amounts of inflammation they heal
faster they're their injuries go away. lose heal faster through movement and stretching under the microscope lose fungus covered wiring the fiberglass to expand by up to two hundred percent and no certainty that the stretch cells also transmit chemical signals which cause the tissue to relax. this was a new thing what we found is in fact that this stiffness of the connective tissue is actively regulated from minute to minute by the fiber blasts so this is a dynamic active ah. cellular regulation of connective tissue tension and that could be important because what we're finding is that when you when you do acupuncture for example on the tissue the fiberglass actually respond in x. and that helps the tissue l. relax the same thing with stretching. because active stretching and ak
the added messenger substances. it really does react independently of any muscular or nerve stimuli and not only that bothers you what is really exciting is that we have also found messengers substances that affect fashion which are not only linked to inflammation but also to emotional stress it was a breakthrough for us to learn that the fashion also reacts to that very very slowly and sustainably with this slight has provided a possible explanation for something that has long been clear to many people with back problems but a motional stress can cause physical tension and pain. the culprit is known as t.g. at a signaling molecule its release is triggered by stress a groundbreaking finding. thank you bottom line if i'm ten stop for weeks even in my sleep it is not mainly the red muscle fibers that attends they relax fairly quickly but it is the white fashion tissue such as the sheet
around the muscle. as manual therapists we can feel that it is not the contents of the sausage if we see the muscle as a sausage but it's the surrounding membranes that is hard at the f.b.i. how it's sometimes the mechanism we're now investigating some mechanisms in the forces. and main thomas miles office training for physiotherapists massage therapists and yoga teachers from all over the world. his goal is to boost their awareness of the financial network in a un body and share his years of experience. i'm an autodidact so i went and educated myself on this with the help of many of my students my back up the a lot of good people along the way willing. others but really i went i wanted to learn all that i could about myself and there's very little but back in the early
seventy's there was very little written about it. miles is fascinated by the organization of connective tissue as a whole body network. the fashion ensures that we have a feeling for a body that everything in it is in the right place and keeps us in shape. fashion research is cool that ten secretary a combination of the words tension and integrity. tensegrity engineering is an example of. a different kind of engineering which comes closer to how you see the fashion system working as a whole system so as you can see this is just sticks and rubber bands and the piece is constructed in such a way that none of the sticks are touching each other they're all held in place by the rubber bells now if you take a skeleton standard classrooms gotten the bones are wired together and you make the
presumption oh there's a skeletal frame inside me and the individua. your muscles move around. you you know the wires on a crane move a crane around that's not true your bones are floating inside your connective tissue if i could go and disappear all the soft tissue on your body your bones would flatten the floor. just as i'm hallock is this is a super counter model to our classic concept of the spine the soil of the model with the skeleton as a supporting structure stitched walked to work when dusty vobis or it was spine is a tent pole carrying the tent which is softer and. recently that was how we imagine the spine and here you see a nice ten secretary counter model. these are the vertebrae. but they don't rest on each other impressed down on each other no they are hanging for hours long as the fashion elements the rubber bands have good elastic retention last issue for spinal
both of fiber blasts but they have taken a different function it's the same that the good lord in the method said that it's you know that if this cell probably pretty is cut it and let me say it because it's in there. every other cell we see these tiny dots on the arm of it we magnify it we see the interior of the cell and above all of these tiny dots. there precious lichens and in particular highly ironic as it. is that we see how the two cells produce different extracellular substances. acid is a lubricant for our connective tissue. the substance forms for the molecules of various sizes and degree of branching to develop a sponge like network that can bind large quantities of water. the less highly
ironic acid out tissue binds the less mobile we are. conscious takers by the antonius teka conducts research into hi you're on acid at the do york university school of medicine. from the example of an upper fine muscle it's clear that higher along i guess it can be detected deep beneath the skin. here we see the dermis. and here we see this a few ten years tissue the fat the superficial fashion the date of fashion. and the definition there are as you see different layers of connective tissue. between we find highly ironic acid here and in this region here we have more black space which means there is more highly ironic acid present. in sufficient noise to the tissue becomes rough and brittle like terrycloth. highly ironic as it
provides a lubricant for the fashion to glide over the neighboring muscle. in germany. also carrying out research into highly ironic acid they're experimenting with therapy is to improve the moisture content of the fashion and it sliding across the sea first they measure the water content of the tissue and all of that nasty. behind the mass and we're hoping that many will stretching therapy will cause the water content to rise again what is turn it on this the great thing is. we believe that through this exchange of tissue water. inflammatory substances will be removed and the tissue will be cleansed diski because i need. a measurement points to a fairly high moisture content using a special message technique now presses down firmly on the fashion in the subjects back there i didn't please your old rolfing techniques that target as connective tissue and it's not the most efficient we have found untested so far with this
method powerful pressure is exerted very slowly on the skin in that would you have to imagine it like slowly forcing the water out of the sponge in such a way that every pore is empted which was all this kind that i insert you don't do that. really slowly this movement really. guns lungs are. the recorded measurements seem to confirm that through manual ferebee the water is absent the fashion can be replenished and the suppleness of the tissue are stored in this for this was prior to treatment but the you can see how we pressed out the water is it from a sponge on who invent haven't we stopped with the mechanical treatment for to shew filled up with water again. please and the dummy to asa here we had an interesting result that if we exerted enough pressure the sponge was even more moist afterwards for me falling off oyster bar i was in other words you press the old water out of
the sponge on the four hundred the up and if you do that forcefully enough several times the sponge is even more moist than before which of course is interesting for us. one does not really hit us that food. the idea is that masses realize the college and find us and the fiber blasts produce fresh higher on acid new water replaces old water and they bring the fashion to slide more effectively again. though to massage it with material out there is no doubt that massage stimulates the soul metabolism not to live but active movement brings even more dynamic. into the tissue and results in a rise in body temperature that already stimulates the metabolism and i each rise in temperature of one degree celsius results in roughly ten percent more enzyme activity marketed. it appears that with regular exercise the fiber plus can start to produce fresh college and and free up mascot fashion more than just three days.
but it can take up to a year for the agglutinative tissue to regenerate entirely exercise is important at the right dose is crucial. after exercise we find microscopic injuries in the tissue that look like spiders ones. so off to exercising one would be wise to consider resting for one two or three days to assess how much tensile strength should be applied to stimulate regenerative renovation my dog by the builder sells the fiberglass so yes these weaving new more useful and durable college and into my lumber fashion or into my achilles tendon so the ideal setup would be in tonight in high doses of ten sound stress with a two to three day break when done by since five i target how was it this way at the. faster pace to have an important and unsuspected impact on human health and well being international research on fashion has shown that relaxing and stretching
connective tissue fibers helps alleviate back pain. but to what extent can traditional medicine help. has studied the role fasher plays an acupuncture. my interest in connective tissue and therefore eventually fashion is began when i was studying acupuncture when you need to link the neck a bunch a needle. you have to insert the needle and then rotate it back and forth slightly and what happens then is that dead. is. something the academic jurists actually feels that the tissues are tightening around the needle that's what got me interested in well is that is important in the mechanism and i get puncher because that i'm not in research before. is that just the acupuncturist subjective feeling that something is tugging at the needle when it's inserted and extract it or is there really a reaction in the connective tissue from wanted to find out. you first wondered
well is that measurable can you measure it can feel it can you measure it so we did experiments where we used to get like a robot that inserted the needle and then rotated the needle back and forth and call the needle out to measure the force that it would take to pull the needle out we way figured well if the tissues are really grabbing the needle for should increase after a little bit and we were able to demonstrate that. every time the needle is inserted and removed cogent corals around like spaghetti around a fork a sensation of a tug on the needle repair costs have long observed now has a scientific explanation. what fiber blasts respond to the needle even if s. several centimeters are wearing this effect is also visible in an ultrasound. but what exactly does the acupuncture needle trigger in the fashion and could this
mechanism of fiberglass activation within the fashion also explain the pain reducing effect of acca puncture treatment. the fiber glass that are inside the tissues up just several centimeters away not just only at the needle they expand they've their response it relaxes the tissue there's another thing that happens which we are interested in is that it releases a substance called a.t.p. so a.t.p. is a signaling molecule and soul of the a.t.p. . is is something that we think may be possible. related to the ask and i'll just go back. and so modern research is providing evidence that validates ancient healing techniques until recently the end of our civil desks were viewed as the primary and most frequent source of back pain. but now there is an increasing focus on fashion as the trigger for chronic complaints. analgesics are such as are also
interested in the potential that fashion tissue office for new therapeutic applications. and german are such as he for advances from the medical faculty mannheim was one of the first to recognize the medical importance of fashion. he began exploring the extent to which fashion itself is pain sensitive. for that to be the case it would need to contain encapsulated nerve endings. thoughts to home via experimental good luck we've conducted experiments in which we try to determine whether there are any nerve fibers and individual nerve endings in the large fashion of the back or in the going and what we have here is a relatively dense network of nerve fibers that form no from. these point shaped structures a nerve endings in which mensah detected the substance p b stands for pain and this move as it will dots of pain receptors but how can we know if the pain of
originates in the fashion rather than in the muscle after all fashion and muscles are virtually inseparable. menzi is a pair of delicate watchmakers tweezers to irritate the fashion and measures the subjects pain sensitivity. then the muscle is ever tasted and sensitivity is measured again. the results can pad is at the fashion of the muscle. via the. zinke latest issue is every berkeley line is an electric signal or and here using tweezers hundred anesthetized wrapped in the same way that i just demonstrated it we squeezed in fashion. which. or and here you see that the frequency of these electric signals increases. with and as if we do inflict winds
of of even further so what one can definitely say year is that the effect of an irritation of the fashion on this nerve cell is much more pronounced than the effect on the receptor is in the muscle and it was. fashion permeated with countless pain receptors making connective tissue the key organ of sensory perception this is being proven without a doubt. like secret manson and his team also believe that stress has a direct impact on fashion tissue. and that brings the sympathetic nervous system into play. the sympathetic nervous system as part of the autonomic nervous system from the brain through the spinal cord it leads to almost every organ we cannot control it in stressful situations it triggers what's known as the fight or flight response because that evolved as a survival mechanism that causes a quick and post sweaty hands and a quivering voice but how can it influence fascial tissue i gather data to answer
that question seriously and he pushes this year as a typical image which has confirmed our assumptions that these fibers are indeed present in the fashion. you see here a measure of nerve fibers. and if you were to enlarge it some more. you would see again the small point like enlargements of these fibers which are most probably sympathetic fibers for shine lish which means when these fibers are irritated for instance through stress. then they release substances that cause the blood vessels to contract so a contact saw and that could be one of the mechanisms that could explain why patients say their back pain worsens under stress. international research on fashion has made huge strides in recent years.
it's offered hope for progress in many scientific fields including cancer research . if we find that stretching. it's natural to wonder whether it might reduce the growth of cancer. secondarily to that and that's an area that we're. gonna never expected to field of oncology to suddenly be at the forefront of areas interested in fashion research and it's yielded an important contribution so i wouldn't like to predict what the future will look like i think this is a field that still has many surprises up its sleeve. the findings of fashion research have shown that this body spanning network of connective tissue disregarded for so long maybe the place where inexplicable disorders and pain
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okay? i will tell you what, russia is very unhappy that trump won. >> the same evening he also defended his highly criticized recent trip to nato. claiming his motives for pushing members to contribute more of their gdp is actually all about russia. here is the president recounting a conversation with nato secretary-general. >> he said, lester alone, because of what i did the previous year, we took in $44 billion. you have to understand this is money to guard against russia. reporter: while the present host to meet with vladimir putin again the national security team has put that meeting on ice until after the investigation concludes. blake: gillian turner in washington, thank you. arthel: president trump sending a letter to the north korean leader, kim jong-un today. showing the ongoing communications between the two leaders. since the singapore summit. meanwhile, secretary of state,
mike pompeo, attending a conference in singapore as well. saying he believes the rogue regime will live up to its commitment to get rid of the nuclear program. this despite a new un report said that no north korea 's weapons program continues to request the process of achieving denuclearization on the north korean peninsula is one that i think we have known will take some time. but i must say through my meetings here, the world is united in seeing this achieved. arthel: kitty logan has more now. reporter: hi arthel. there were tough words from north korea today. pyongyang is angry that the u.s. is pushing for sanctions to stay in place until denuclearization is complete. the details of this denuclearization deal -- mike pompeo wants international community to keep up economic pressure on north korea to make sure what is agreed on an principal at singapore summit in june actually happens. he said he is confident of a positive outcome.
>> .committed to doing it, chairman kim is committed to doing it. i'm optimistic we will get this dumb in a timeline and the world will celebrate what the un security council has demanded. reporter: they say there continue to develop weapons. despite everything. and until that happens assumptions will not be lifted. they say they will honor the do notarization agreement but after this handshake he then criticized the u.s. for not relieving sanctions sooner. the u.s. delegation also handed over a letter from president trump for north korean leader, kim jong-un. the contents of the litter were not revealed but the dialogue with north korea is expected to continue. arthel: kitty logan, thank you. blake: heading in the right direction in virginia. flooding fears ease. people are not allowed to return to their homes after officials say the situation with the dam has stabilized.
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arthel: president trump expected to land in columbus ohio, this hour, rallying for tuesday's special elections. the president is also hitting the campaign trail hard for republican midterm candidates as there is a possible blue way peer was a president payoff come november? here to discuss as we have access reporter, shannon, good to see you. >> thanks for having me. arthel: is the president doing a full port crest of the campaign shall, does it mean the gop is expecting a battle or they just want to win or leave no narrow margins? >> is a last-minute effort from the president and the republicans. the primary is on tuesday. it is saturday and it also is important to note that this is a district that is a reliably red district. trump is coming and if couple days beforehand in a place where it shouldn't necessarily go to democrat in theory but the fact that it is neck and neck shows republicans will have to step up.
arthel: neck and neck, challenges in ohio. look at some of the other races, talk about the challenges there and the biggest uphill battle for the president in terms of his being on the campaign trail. >> in terms of where he's going, he might see as we get closer to election day he said he will go to six or seven places every week to help campaign and help republicans. he might be going to places where it is more neck and neck. previously we've seen them go to states where he has won with a large margin. with heidi heitkamp and also montana where he won by double digits. going to ohio is a little bit riskier just because he only won by 11 percent. and because approval rating is dipping right now. reporter: of 11 percent undivided in ohio as well. you just touched on something pre-does president trump, does
the endorsement come with potential blowback? >> it does. and we know that if you do not get his endorsement like diane black this week in tennessee, who lost her race there, you might not be benefiting from his rhetoric. from his ability to rally the base. but we also know that with his endorsement, we've had several candidates this year win as a result. on the other hand like you mentioned, there are some potential downsides. he can sometimes wire rally and go off track from focusing on the candidate itself. francis when he went for luther strachey ended up saying and indicating to voters will be okay to vote for roy moore. which ended up happening. arthel: i want to show on the screen now, a tweet from the president last week. on july 24 for the president saying he is quote - very concerned that russia will be fighting very hard to have an impact on the upcoming election. and that russia quote - will be pushing very hard for the democrats because no president has been tougher on russia than me. shannon, does it appear that
president trump is perhaps saying that this hacking or interference is an excuse if the gop does not wipe out the blue wave? >> i cannot necessarily speak to what trump is planning there in terms of what his messaging strategy is. but we do know that based on what the campaign revealed on facebook, it has not necessarily been attributed to russia but there are links to how the internet research agency, which was in the mueller indictment earlier this year, there are links to how they previously were trying to impact elections. on facebook. but in terms of whether that hacking is continuing or not, we are not seeing the riposte campaign that they had a 2016 that they are telling us right now. we'll have to see how much that continues to happen this year. arthel: we will all stop to see how the races turn up here but let's talk about this for a second.if the gop loses control over the house. will that have any impact on
the presidency for mr. trump or his policies? and what about judge kavanaugh confirmation? >> it actually could. if republicans lose the house and it is very possible that they do it, democrats only have to take 23 seats. they are already edging closer. we know have already been getting more and more local legislative seats.and if there are more democrats on the hill, we know that impeachment proceedings can begin if there is that rallying support there. arthel: and wrapping back up to the ohio. what does president trump need to do today to push troy balderson over the top in ohio? >> we have seen his tweet today, kind of focusing on the democratic challenger, danny o'connor. linking him to nancy pelosi. it is possible we will see them do that. it may have been a precursor to
what he will say. a lot of what republicans have been focusing on across-the-board has been immigration and those type of cultural issues. if they really want to make waves, the focus democrats have been having has been on healthcare recently. we know that they have been a little bit more liberal in their messaging ever since republicans failed to repeal and replace obamacare. if they are able to develop some messaging on that it might be impactful. arthel: over to the judge singh have to reinstate it. so we'll see how that plays out as well. shannon vavara, reporter for axios, thank you very much. >> thank you. blake: intelligent official sounding the alarm about meddling in our elections. how can we secure the voters as the top official say we can? we will discuss next. plus a live look in ohio tonight. 5:20 pm on saturday. the president will rally for a house candidate in a special election. as you probably know by now, we will take you there live. when it begins. >> i am certain that
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to lock your dentures. so now you can eat tough food without worry. fixodent and forget it. arthel: welcome back everybody. take another look at ohio. as we await president trump 's arrival for tonight make america great again rally. he is helping troy balderson who is in a tight race with democrat, danny o'connor. for the special election ohio 12th district. the state tenant governor saying that she is confident republican voters will come out in full force. >> i was going to turn out the 12 congressional district will turn out and will support troy balderson because ohio still supports a presidents agenda. when you look at the accomplishments, 4.1 percent gdp, you look at a state where
president trump beat hillary clinton by eight points. arthel: kristin fisher live in ohio. we've 11 percent on decided there as well. what can you expect to hear from the president tonight? reporter: this is the president's third rally this week. he is going to be throwing his weight tonight behind a candidate in the fight for control of the house this november. he wants republican ohio state senator, troy balderson to win. and he gave a preview of the case you will be making tonight a series of tweets from earlier this morning. he said that troy balderson is quote - strong on the board and loves all military vets. and the second member. his opponent is a puppet of nancy pelosi. high taxes. his opponent is democrat, danny o'connor. he has been trying to counter that very point. he says he will not support nancy pelosi for speaker if they have the majority of the midterms. normally this race would not be getting all that much attention
but it is because this is the last special election before the midterms. they are watching this very closely as a barometer of sorts to see how things will go in november. but it is also getting -- this was not supposed to be a close race. about a month ago, they had them 10 points apart. now it is down to just one point. and it is a republican district. the present won by 11 points per the vice president and speak of house have all come here and campaigned on his behalf. now the president of the united states is going to be here speaking on his behalf. we'll see if that is enough to sway voters come tuesday. arthel: kristin, apart from the special election the president is not to go off on other topics pay what you think will
come up tonight? >> i think you will tout the new economic numbers heavily. yesterday we learned the u.s. added 157,000 jobs in july. and now i expect him to talk about that pretty heavily. he will also be talking about all of the tariffs that he just imposed. in fact, he tweeted about it four times on his way over to ohio from his golf club in new jersey. here is just a small sampling of one of them.he says quote - paris make our country much richer than it is today. only fools would disagree. we are using that to negotiate fair trade deals. remember, these have been heard in the u.s. farmers so much that the trump administration gave them about $13 billion in aid. about one week ago. but at the rally on thursday, the president headlined in pennsylvania, he said u.s. farmers can take it. we'll see if he brings it up tonight and tries to rally support for his tariffs and try to rally support around u.s. farmers. one thing to watch for,
remember the big press conference on thursday where all of the top u.s., the administration top intelligence and security officials stood side-by-side and said -- the president had a chance to talk about that on thursday. he did not. let's see if he does tonight. arthel: will be watching and we look forward to your report through the evening. >> thank you. >> the russians are looking for every opportunity regardless of party, regardless of whether or not it applies to the election to continue their pervasive efforts to undermine our fundamental values. blake: that was the director of national intelligence, dan coats on thursday. warning about russian election modeling. saying the president has direct his national security team to make sure our election process and securing it is a top priority. it comes as the administration is facing questions over
whether it is doing enough to counteract moscow 's metal p joining now morgan wright, a cybersecurity and terrorism analyst. thank you for joining us. >> you bet. blake: i was in the room it was quite the scene. when the intelligence chiefs were lining up there, there was no mention of china. there was no mention of north korea. there is no mention of iran. it was russia, russia, russia. do you take from it that russia is the biggest cyber threat out there? >> i just put that out and i said we will be talking russia, russia, russia. exactly. russia has been doing this for hundred years. they are masters at this. they are masters at low intensity conflict in
cyberspace. there he to influence elections. there is a difference between influence and interference. but they are here to influence and also into the energy grid. russia is looking for every advantage they can. a lot of people don't realize russia is less than half the size of the united states in terms of population. it is very important to russia that they have some kind of strategic advantage against the united states. blake: when you say low intensity conflict, what do you mean? >> rather than launching an all-out nuclear attack in cyberspace, they are doing reconnaissance activities. breaking into the control room. as you so with the previous election and what came out, they are manipulating and influencing opinion and attempted to drive a wedge. they are just stopping short of launching comments is simply amazing other countries where we are proxies. they are doing this, they're not getting it to the level with every huge response. just getting a proportional response but there are some good things happening. we are getting better at detecting the activity. blake: after the intelligence chiefs were there in the breakaway white house official told me it was the president himself who instructed him to go out there and talk about
this. that brings up the question, do you think they were there to talk to the american people? do you think they were there to send a message to russia? or both? >> i think both. one of the things you'll see coming out, dhs has launched initiatives. if you are out there and you have not set up for the information sharing analysis, or the multistate, these are resources from dhs. over 800 counties and all 50 states have joined. it will give them better tools must cyber standpoint. but what you can do in the influence side, facebook just did a great job. they got beat up pretty bad on stock and other things but they did a good job. -- blake: you mentioned facebook. i asked christopher wray in the briefing room about this incident. 32 facebook pages that were believed to be trying to sow discord with the political process. i asked the fbi director, was it russia behind it? he did not answer but i also
asked about the responsibility the social media companies have in trying to keep our election process safe. now versus how they acted in 2016. this was the fbi director to me. watch. >> we are sharing with them actual intelligence in a way that wasn't happening before. we understand better what they need, they are sharing information back with us based on what they find. there are things they can do on their platforms voluntarily. terms of use and things like that that the government does not have a role in. in turn we learn things from them and we can use that to have our investigations be more effective. i think progress is being made. we have to keep getting better, keep staying on the balls of your feet. i think that's what we are seeing. blake: the fbi director says they are sharing with social media companies and government actual intelligence information. what exactly does that mean? >> is called the domestic security advisory council. there used to be an old organization called awareness of national security issues and response.
it morphed into this. they missed the boat in 2016. they could've done this. it was up to a report in the uk to discover the international research agency and we still missed the boat. it was not a fair fight in 2016. facebook was outmatched by the russians. but now they start to work together and share information on an intelligence back and forth, what happens is facebook, google, twitter, all of these other folks are strangely silent. they need to get the game. as long as they share the information that we can share sources and the results of our sources and methods. and make it a better, more fine tuned machine.we can point them in a direction and have them even get better information so the intelligence community, fbi can make a better analysis. but it won't work unless there's trust and mutual cooperation. that was in short supply in 2016.blake: christopher wray warned that this is, it goes well beyond, it is not just an election cycle threat. it is something we will talk
about most certainly down the line. thank you for joining us tonight. >> you bet. arthel: there is the deadly wildfires in california. we want to update you on more evacuation orders issued as they continue to burn across the state. the heat and dry weather making it really difficult for fire crews to put out the flames. jeff paul has more now from los angeles. i understand that governor brown is calling on the president for help. tell us about that. reporter: touring some of the hardest hit areas in northern california, governor jerry brown today called upon the president for help. the governor is officially requesting a major disaster declaration. saying the relentless fires require a herculean effort. the government agency that tracks major fires reports at the moment firefighters are battling at least 89 wildfires across 10 states. of the 28,000 firefighters responded to all of the fires, half right now in california. when asked about the likelihood of president trump approving
the relief requests, governor brown says he is hopeful. he also says right now is not the time to point fingers at what went wrong in the states response. say the focus should be on how to act wisely and cooperate better. >> this is part of a trend, a new normal. we have to deal with it. you're dealing with the humanly, financially and governmentally. these are horrible situations that bring people together regardless of the ideologies and partisan considerations. reporter: governor brown also thanked the firefighters for a terrific job in the face of a horrific fire. no word from the white house on any sort of decision on approving the declaration. arthel: i want to get more ground conditions out there. tell us about that. how is it for the firefighters? reporter: across the state there are now 14,000 firefighters battling 17 major wildfires. there was so much smoke ãand northern california there are
now warnings to stay out of outdoor activities with air quality being so poor. so far the book fires have burned half a million acres forcing nearly 40,000 people to evacuate. the most devastating fire, the carr fire has killed six people destroyed more than 1000 homes and is now considered one of the worst wildfires in state history. we are also hearing there was so much smoke from the ferguson fire, the air quality in parts of yosemite national park is considered to be worse in beijing china. smoke has forced a closure of the park for more than a week. sections of yosemite could open if conditions improve. arthel: so such as seals images there. thank you very much, jeff paul. blake: in the meantime the man suspected of killing a houston cardiologist is dead. they say he shot himself when he was cornered by police in houston neighborhood. bryan llenas is live from the new york city newsroom with details.
this is awful all around. how do they track this shooter down? reporter: it was thanks to surveillance video according to court documents. what we understand, this video shot from home caught the 62 old fleeing the murder scene on his bicycle. but even more pivotal was the video a metro bus. that caught the entire murder as it happened. lisa show this surveillance video to the shooters former colleague identified him as a 62-year-old joseph pappas. his neighbors also saw this and identified him as the shooter. for two weeks investigators look for the man responsible for shooting doctor hausknecht. a prominent cardiologist in daylight as he rode to work at houston methodist hospital. they say that he followed him for 25 miles on bike before he shot him three times and rode away. police on tuesday raided his home. they found 22 caliber
ammunition that match the bullets used to kill a dr.. on wednesday they now successfully previous a police officer confronted him in a west houston neighborhood. a second officer showed up and joseph pappas took a revolver and shot himself in the head. he was wearing a bulletproof vest. police believe he was ready for a shootout. blake: seems like it. do we know why he killed the cardiologist? reporter: doctor hausknecht practice for more than 40 years. at one point he treated george h. w. bush. they believe joseph pappas murdered him because he blamed him for his mothers death. >> the only connection we have found and the only exponential that we can find to date, and we put a lot of work into this. is the fact that doctor hausknecht operated on joseph pappas 's mother 20 years ago and she died on the operating table. reporter: a 20 year old grudge.
they found a will and testament in his home. doctor hausknecht was 65 years old. blake: bryan llenas, live in the new york newsroom, thank you. arthel: the debate over 3d printing guns intensify. flaring up after the trumpet menstruation gives a green light to release plans online. we will discuss with our legal panel up next. to be their best, kids need good nutrition. and practice... lots of practice. get them started right with carnation breakfast essentials. it has protein plus vitamins and minerals to help kids be their best. carnation breakfast essentials.
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washington state issued a temporary restraining order to block blueprints for 3d printed guns from being distributed online. >> the government does have the power to tell people they cannot post this on the inside itsy violation of free speech. also state law is trumped by federal law. arthel: let's bring in our legal panel. -- and a defense attorney and former prosecutor. good to have both you be here. this is going to be a big debate. already it is. richard, undetectable, 3d printed guns, instructions online. is this inevitable legal quagmire or can of worms? >> absolutely. the issue is not a second amendment issue. it is an issue of a first amendment. you can publish stuff on my feet if you google right now you can find how to dispose a body, make a bomb.
information is protected by the first amendment. what they are talking about is the actual undetectable weapon. it is totally different. there is a federal act, undetectable fire firearms act in place. if the firearm cannot be detected by a metal detector it is illegal. so there are already laws on the book to protect against this. arthel: if you've a private company producing a product that is potentially deadly impact on national security, what is their defense? >> here's the thing, we don't have a company producing a product. we have a company wants to produce words that would allow other people to produce this product.but we are on the same side here. the opponents of this lawsuit are recently taking a first amendment argument and try to turn it into a second amendment fight. it is not that. we can go online right now and we can discover how to build a bomb or hide a body odor if you want to do but we don't do those things because we are
law-abiding citizens. this is not a gun issue.this is a first amendment issue. arthel: but it would change argument if you have a legitimate company, distribution, their posting were advertising these instructions. it is different than going to somewhere hidden on the internet to find some sort of a bomb making instructions or something. >> to your point, these blueprints have already been distributed. arthel: was a big deal then? >> personally i think they're trying to assert a first amendment right. because i know the opponents will try to turn this into a second amendment fight. which it's not. i think it is for their own gain. which they are also allowed to do. arthel: what about the moral issue? opponents of this are saying you have untraceable guns that can go through metal detectors. what about that? what about the responsibility of that?
>> if it is legal it has nothing to do with as we mentioned earlier, you can find out how to dispose of a body, it is illegal. you can find ahow to make a bomb , it is illegal. the information is still out there. and that is all we are talking about. reading information. not talking about actually creating. it is not creating this at all. arthel: you say this is a good idea or not? >> i think it is illegal. >> less split hairs per the actual blueprint will not you build an undetectable gun because it requires components that are detectable. it is largely undetectable but does require metal components arthel: let me ask you this , do you have to register these guns? you have to have a background check? >> that is the issue. because if someone can make one of these guns, it is not registrable. it is easy to hide. the issue is, if you make one of the guns, you are already breaking the law because under the 1988 act you already breaking the law.
do we need another law? i mean how many laws you have to break? >> however, if it is detectable there are people, it allows people to make their own weapons. i know people that make their -- it is a possibility people can make their own weapons but however, you still have to qualify being an individual that can purchase a firearm. there are some people who cannot purchase firearms. if you're going to make your own weapon you have to abide by that. arthel: we have a hard break but do you think this will go high up? >> temporary is the operative word, no. >> no. i agree. arthel: you agree. thank you very much. >> thank you. blake: the search for a missing iowa college student now stretches into his third week as investigators comb through potential evidence related to
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for. police sorting through hundreds of tips searching for molly tibbett who vanished two weeks ago. we are in brooklyn, iowa with the latest. matt? reporter: tonight crimestoppers tells us that the reward for molly tibbets has no and raised $260,000. substantial increase from a few days ago when they reward was hovering around $2000 per the family has partnered with crimestoppers to raise this morning because they believe right now molly tibbets is alive and being held captive somewhere. they say they're raising the money to basically pay someone off to release her. they have not released any new information. since she went missing on july 18.other than to say she was last seen jogging in a small town of brooklyn, iowa. wearing a pink top and black running shorts. police say releasing any information could compromise their investigation or it could end up in the wrong hands. they are begging the public for patients in this investigation.
molly's mother and father telling fox news that no tip is too small. they're asking for anyone to call the 1-800 tip line and the small town of brooklyn iowa is close to interstate 80 and route six. police and the family acknowledge that by this time, molly could be anywhere. arthel: i hope they can find her and find her well. thank you very much, matt. thank you for the update. blake: meanwhile is a live look at ohio as we await the presidents arrival for his campaign style rally tonight. looks like they have the program underway but the president should come up in the next hour. we will take you there live on this saturday night. stay with us. ♪ motorcycle revving ♪motorcycle revving ♪ motorcycle revving ♪ no matter who rides point, ♪ there are over 10,000 allstate agents riding sweep. ♪♪
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caught line with his relationship with nancy pelosi who is weak on crime, borders in your second amendment. he wants to raise your taxes by a lot. >> blake: kristin is on the ground in ohio. it is now behind us. where is the president? out of all of the races, why is this the one that president trump wanted to take on? >> and any special election it is about turnout, especially a special election in the middle of the summer. president trump is coming here to try to energize the debate, throw his star power into the race and hopefully make a difference. the fact that he is here shows how important the republicans and democrats perceive the race to be. this is the last special election before the midterm. both parties will be watching it as an indication of how things will go in november. right now, the races very close. on one side you have the
republican state senator, troy. this is widely looked at his race to lose. president trump won this by double digits. but he has had trouble raising this election cycle and a tough time energizing the base. he has raised just over $100,000 for the latest report. his opponent has raised nearly six times that amount. if elected, o'connell would be the youngest member of congress. he has been running at saying he does not support pelosi. but, president trump sees it differently. he said in a tweet that they are strong on crime, the border and loves our military and that's. his opponent is a puppet of nancy pelosi.
obviously they disagree on that. just a little bit of a seen satyr, this is a capacity crowd. the auditorium in this high school it is at capacity. there are two overflows as well. >> blake: that's loud. i have been in that position where i cannot hear. people are screaming behind you. but you are hanging in there. thank you. the republicans have helped this since 1980. this could flip according to the polls. >> it could flip. what is interesting is the biggest one is the monmouth university poll. about a month ago the two candidates were ten points apart. now, according to the poll last week, they are just one point apart. the races razor thin. that is why this is going to come down to turnout.
keep in mind, it is in the middle of the summer people are not paying attention to politics. it's about who can energize and convince the voters that this is important to stop what they're doing and get to the polls to vote. >> blake: i would tell you to tell them to may be calm down but that is not going to happen. thank you. >> arthel: a federal judge dealt another blow to the trump administration's effort to put an end to dock up. ruling the government must fully restore the undocumented immigrants were brought to the country as children from deportation. allison is live. >> the judge did not entirely close the door but he said the administration is making bad legal arguments. here's how one analyst is
explaining it. >> on one hand you can report somewhat fairly that this judge the area of daca. they say they are not holding that dhs cannot terminate the program. you do not give us a sufficient reason. >> the administration claimed president obama did not have a constitutional authority to start the daca program. that is not enough that claiming another policy to do a hodgepodge policy assertion will not do. if the department of homeland security wants to rescind the program it must have a rational explanation for the decision. they said dhs provided a memo explaining the decision but it failed to elaborate meaningfully on the primary rationale for the decision.
the judge that it was unlawful and unconstitutional. he said that while the memo offers several additional policy grounds, most of the repackage legal arguments previously made in their independent from daca's evaluation. this is a republican appointed judge. he looked at it in april and said it was unlawful. he gave the government 90 days to provide more legal justification. friday's ruling upholds the one from april. >> arthel: will the trump administration appeal? >> they have 20 days to appeal the ruling. in the past they said they would defend against it. this is the third judge to rule against the administration when it comes to ending doc daca. they tried to get the supreme court involved, they still have the position that they think what they are doing with daca is
right. so far, the three judges disagree. >> arthel: thank you. >> we believe the investigation should be brought to a close. they should render the reports. we have every reason to believe they do not have evidence. >> blake: the president's personal attorney say that president trump and the legal team will decide whether to grant robert mueller an interview with the president. that would be potentially within a week or ten days as the president continues his criticism of the russian investigation. he said mueller has been examining the president's tweets as an obstruction inquiry. let's bring in the associate editor of the weekly standard. when you listen to the president's attorney, they clearly are very strong a know
of the president sitting down with mueller. >> i think the president is more than open. he is raring to talk to mueller. that is obvious because he looks to overrule what his lawyers are telling him. defense lawyers almost always counsel the clients not to testify in court or give more information to authorities unless it is absolutely necessary. look at trumps tweets in public statements. it's good that he views these as bogus and wants to fight them. whether that is the best legal strategy is open. but that is something he personally wants to do. >> blake: one issue is the rush occlusion case and if there's an obstruction of justice, and whether the president would answer questions with robert mueller verbally versus writing them down, written questions. that would be on the issue of obstruction of justice. is at the crossroads?
>> it seems they are haggling over what ground the president would be questioned on. he is willing to be questioned on rush occlusion which he denies. obstruction, his lawyers don't want him to answer questions on. that's what they're fighting about. there's also an issue about whether there would be verbal or written responses. the obstruction claim is tenuous and not really related to the initial matter that mueller was investigating. you can see why there is more objection to the president to answer questions. >> blake: is there a gray area where both sides could come together and compromise? or are the standards so high and ramifications a high they may not be able to come to an arrangement of written versus face-to-face? >> i think they will come to a compromise. the president wants to do this. given that is the underlying fact they will make a way to
make the session happen. whether written or spoken, i am not sure. he signaled he wants to do this for his own defense. >> blake: there was a big tweet earlier this week, the president wrote the following which many critics said was obstruction of justice. he wrote quote, this is a terrible situation and attorney general jeff sessions should stop this rigged witchhunt right now before it continues to stay in our country further. this was how the white house responded. >> the president is not obstructing, he's fighting back. he is stating his opinion and stating it clearly. he's expressing the frustration that he has with the level of corruption we have seen from people like jim comey, peter struck, andrew mckay. there's a reason why he's angry and most of america is angry. there's no reason he cannot
voice that opinion. >> blake: some say this gives a bob mueller more ammunition. others would say he was venting his opinion, what is it? >> i think there's a difference between should and must. if the president is speaking from authority saying it must be stopped you have a stronger claim. should comes into the realm of opinion. another factory members the president has tweeted his unhappiness with his investigation. that has not done anything. it has just made the president look powerless and hardly obstructing justice. >> blake: ethan, a long way to go here. thank you. >> arthel: we are moments away from president trumps speech at a rally in ohio. he is hitting the campaign trail frofor a gop candidate. we will take you there live once the event starts to help get us moving. and help you feel more strength & energy
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eastern time, the president greeting fans at the airport as he will head to the high school there. the high school where he will speak before a crowd of about 2700 people. there's a tight race there. the republican candidate has 44% support at the moment. the democratic candidate has 33% support. we will bring that to you live when the president arrives. >> we expect the russians in all countries to abide by this he un security council. any violation that detracts from the world's goal of denuclearize
he north korea would be something that america would take very seriously. >> arthel: mike pompeo has a stern warning for russia following a report that moscow is violating un sanctions by issuing new work permits for north korean laborers. this, as president trump and north korean leader, kim jong-un exchange letters over some questions about pyongyang and denuclearization. joining me as a national security analyst. in the president of independent research. thank you for being here. we don't expect the president to take the stage for another 15 minutes. if he does i have to jump out of the interview. you have secretary pompeo issuing a stern warning to stop hiring day laborers. meanwhile, the president not as tough on russia publicly and exchanging letters of diplomacy with kim jong-un.
the question is, is president trump undermining pompeo's efforts? >> i think the processes on track. first on the effor issue of norh koreans working abroad, that's been an important source of currency. we expect russia to clamp down on it as they have joined the u.s. with sanctions on north korea. the russians always creating a problem. to me this is why the direct engagement between trump and kim jong-un is important. that is our best chance of denuclearization. >> that seems to be a vote of confidence. should the americans feel confident that the national security front line is working with the result to stop the nuclear aggression? should we be confident about
that? >> i think we should be confident torres pompeo likes to say optimistic. it's good that trump and kim jong-un are exchanging letters. everything comes down to that personal relationship. will trump be able to cultivate kim's will to denuclearize? that is an open question. it's good for pompeo to be tough on moscow. also with the meeting in asia, many countries coming together. pompeo is hearing from other allies that they like the stance on denuclearization. we should be confident that things are technically on track. i am impatient. i want to see spent nuclear rods coming out of north korea. i want to see nuclear test in a thousand pieces. >> arthel: at the moment they are not doing that. they are still working on
building the program. what are we to make of that? the president said it's a good idea to exchange personal diplomacy and have secretary of state putting pressure on cases like russia and iran. you have russia providing financial support and then china's reluctance to cripple the north korean economy. help us understand how this is on track? >> we are at a delicate moment. clearly there is some sticking point for north korea, we don't know what it is. it's something to do with the peace treaty talk or the status of u.s. forces. we are not taking u.s. forces out of there. north korea has technically done some of the things to show goodwill. they did take down some of the nuclear missile test sites. we hear their centrifuges are still running. we don't know if they're running fast or just sticking over.
we need to see kim jong-un take a real valid step toward giving us an inventory or telling us how to cease nuclear power production. the great news is no missile test. and that keeps the usa for. you cannot discount that. trump has plenty of options. how has this been seen outer played? >> i think right now that we have been giving this process time to work, remember with ukraine 20 years ago it took four years. ukraine was a democracy. we see a lot of solidarity at the un and our top international allies wanting this to work. it really is about the delicate
negotiation between trump and pompeo and kim, and whoever kim listens to. it's a delicate and frustrating time. i would like to see more concrete evidence. things are not moving as fast but technically still on track. >> i think people are hoping for positive outcome. thank you for your analysis. >> we continue to keep our eyes on the offensive this evening. the president is on the ground in the area. he's throwing himself into the area of of what is a close race for one congressional seat. we will dive into what this means after the break. plus, we anticipate hearing from the president. stay with us ♪ when i touch you like this ♪ it's so hard to believe ♪ but it's all coming back me.
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it's in ohio's 12th district. kristin fisher is on the ground. you said the crowd has about 2700 people as they wait for the president to take the stage. >> there are 2700 people inside this auditorium. that is all this auditorium can fit. there are hundreds or thousands more outside. they had to fill two other rooms, overflow rooms. there are still people in the streets. a lot of folks waiting to see president trump. some have been here since 3:00 a.m. you never really know what you are going to get at a trump rally. one thing we know is that president trump is going to be endorsing republican, troy of alterman for this congressional seat. it's about 20 minutes -- this is
a lively republican who has been sitting in the seat since the early '80s. this is his race to lose. he has not been doing that great in the polls. in terms of fundraising, he is way behind his democratic opponent, danny o'connor. o'connor, if he wins would be the youngest member of congress. he has an interesting story as well. president trump is going to tie o'connor to nancy pelosi. o'connor has been running saying that if he wins, he would not support pelosi. expect president trump not to pay attention to that. tonight he will try to tie o'connor to pelosi no matter what. he will offer this hearty endorsement of troy. we expect him right behind me
anytime. he's running a few minutes late. a capacity crowd ready for president trump. >> arthel: do we know why the republican is running behind? is ahead by one point. as you said the republican stronghold, why is he having a tough time? >> some republicans in the area would say that he has not been the best campaigner. he has not raised as much money as o'connor. he raise just over $100,000 while o'connor raised $600,000. you have to contend with the politics of the day. right now, most observers believe this is a blue wave. democrats have the wind at their backs and not republicans. that appears to be what is happening, at least in terms of the energy.
on a special election it is about turnout. especially in the middle of the summer when folks are not paying attention. this may have to do with the fact that a lot of people in democrats and the energy is on their side. that is what president trump is doing. trying to get more energy on the republican side and bring the star power. hopefully that will energize the supporters on tuesday. >> arthel: the president is normally unscripted at these events. you know what he may talk about? >> based on his twitter feed he'll be talking about the economic numbers. yesterday we mark that u.s. employers had added 157,000 jobs in july. the unemployment rate dipped to 3.9%. on his way here he tweeted out that what he believes who are doing great things even though it has started to hurt u.s. farmers.
the trump administration has had to give them over a billion dollars in a. at a rally on thursday president trump said they can handle it and whether it. he will probably have a similar message tonight. >> arthel: often times that these events, campaign rallies, the audience might come up to you and tell them what is on their minds. have you heard anything from the folks there? >> people are very vocal and friendly. folks here tonight they want to hear the president speak. a lot of these people are big supporters, big fans of president trump. they are excited to be in the same room as him. i know the primary purpose is for him to support the republican candidate. but most of the folks i talked to say they had a have been watching president trump in action for two years and are
excited to see him tonight. >> arthel: we will see if the president can get them excited about their candidate. thank you. >> blake: for more on the rally and what is to come on tuesday special election we bring in jay, a former senior advisor to john kasich. if the president comes in, we will have to go over to that. this is a seat that has gone red since 1980. did you ever believe that we would have this conversation of the possibly going blue? >> absolutely. this is a district that i cut my political teeth on. when i was 19 i was going to doodoor to door. this is a highly affluent republican district. a lot of suburbs of columbus. not strong manufacturing base.
there is no doubt the right kind of democrats in the right kind of environment could when the district. the national media has come in recently because what you do and that's understandable. this is a tossup district and has been. the lucky thing. >> blake: you say it is a tossup district, but the outgoing congressman won by 27 - 40 points in the last three races. how is that a swing district? >> it is this time because the environment nationally and the historical trends of the losing party. this is a solid district for republicans but it could go to the other side. democrats have enthusiasm. the republicans have a candidate that fits the district. in the mold of john kasich when he was running before. would you have a good candidate
and he's doing grassroots and you have a turnout mechanism like this you can easily see a place where the blue wave crashes. >> blake: monmouth university put out a pull. how closely have you been following the campaign? 24% say very closely. somewhat closely, 42%. those numbers were six and 35% in june. many more people now are actually paying attention to the race. as that has occurred, the numbers have moved toward o'connor's way. do we read into that that he has the momentum? pulling is just a way of things moving into that snapshot. >> you have to read into it. this is always with this race and special election they are a little bit weird and we've seen them around the country. they behave differently. this was always going to be a
close race. i don't care who the democrat was unless they were left-wing liberal. this candidate is more of centralist. john kasich has endorsed the republican candidate. you can read things into this. it's a close race, it's going to go down to the wire. the rally today, my opinion is something that helps turn out the vote. all troy needs for this rallies for republicans to vote. because there's a higher percentage of republicans in the district he could win. >> blake: then republicans would say there's no such thing as a blue wave and democrats will say this was 30 plus points and now it's close. if o'connor wins will say see it's a blue way and republicans will say it's a bad candidate. not an indication of what will come in november.
these two have to run off again. i know this might sound blasphemous, but did the race even matter? they have to go through this again and 94 days. >> this is a good question. a rare occurrence where you have a match a few minutes after the count. this will tell you something about the national election. it's rare that you have real-time data to say where the voters are in a seat like this. the national pundits will read to much into this. so where it will make a differences with the national donors. in my opinion, it will not tell you what november will look like. >> blake: republicans have thrown a lot of money, if you million behind balderson in a very safe seat. if he loses on tuesday or as close as everyone feels, should
they throw that money behind him again? >> absolutely. the general election will be different than the special election. i expect troy balderson to be the winner. if not, he still stands a strong chance to get the seat back. just because of the dynamics of the district. just the whole race will change in november. today is a special election. democrats are euphoric around tell. the have already claimed victory. that could change and stop on tuesday night. the whole thing will change in november. >> blake: thank you for joining us as we await the president's comments. >> arthel: we are going to be waiting for the president to take the stage in ohio. he is campaigning for the
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♪ ♪ >> welcome back. we will show you another live look in ohio. we are waiting for the president to take stage at the high school. we will take the president live once he arrives. we want to get you caught up another news. the man suspected in the shooting death of the cardiologist who treated president george h.w. bush, instead. he shot himself when he was cornered by police in a houston neighborhood. brian is live in our new york city newsroom with the details. >> the dr. practice medicine from with in 40 years.
the cardiologist at one point treated president george hw bush. they believe that joseph murdered him because he may have been seeking revenge for his mother's death. she died on the operating table more than 20 years ago. two weeks ago the 62-year-old followed the dr. for 25 miles on a bicycle. he rode past the dr. who was biking to work with he shot the dr. three times in broad daylight. the prominent dr. was known as a generous and humble man. he was 65 years old. police find a detailed file in the home and a list of names of employees and doctors at the hospital. they do not believe it was a hit list. >> arthel: talk about how police were able to track the shooter? >> that was thanks to surveillance videos. this video shot from a home
caught him fleeing the murder scene on his bicycle. even more pivotal was the video from a metro bus that caught the entire murder as it happened. they showed this to the former colleagues identified him. the neighbors also saw the video and identified him as well. police raided his home on tuesday. they publicly identified him on wednesday. on friday it officer confronted him at home. he was wearing a bullet proof vest one a second officer arrived, patrick shot himself in the head with a revolver. >> i am convinced that how we not had that second officer arrived from a different angle, we may have had a shoot out. i'm very thankful that the suspect, although he committed suicide. >> this tragic story that could've ended more violent. >> arthel: very sad.
thank you. >> blake: we continue to keep her eyes on the columbus ohio area as president trump is set to take the stage in ohio. there is a special election in that district. let's bring back jay, a former senior advisor to john kasich get managing directo director oy llc. the president will take the stage at any moment. if you believe the latest polling is just one point between the republican and democrat in a district where democrats have held since 1980. how do we get here? >> i think this is a historical thing. presidents when one party is in power the next cycle that party starts to lose their seats. let's also look at this
district. he's at 46% approval which is a little bit better than the national average. that's an important data point. i also think that going into the race right now, what troy balderson needs is for donald trump to say get out and vote. that's what he needs. what he does not need is a distraction that takes a national headline. and then the local news station talking about something else, the mueller investigation or china. he needs it to be focused on the election and that will help republicans. >> arthel: how likely will the president be? >> your guess is as good as mine. that could go in different directions. what are the headlines coming
out of it. what are the local newscasters going to be saying? not necessarily others who are covering this. it will be a local folk talking about it because that will be important for the turnout. >> how important is governors case ache endorsement of balderson? you talk about the president but mr. k sick is a very popular and strong governor. >> he represented the 12th district for 18 years. that was a huge endorsement because it shows he can unify the republican party when there are two people what some perceive as a civil war. most republican voters respect both leaders. it's very different in the voters mine. it shows that all these
republican leaders who are doing good things in our nation back in track, troy king unite both of them. >> you're not giving governor k sick a lot of -- >> he did and add a few weeks ago. that has been helpful for balderson. john k sick is extremely popular in the state and those who want to cross the aisle. this is a big deal to get the endorsement. >> blake: when you look at the monmouth university poll as a coin flip 62% of the people said it's important to show that their vote is for the president or against. it does this race.
>> i think the folks voting for o'connor are going to be voting because of what's going on in washington. i think that is going to have another effect after the rally. that number will increase. there will be more republicans that cohere the president and will be for him. that number will increase. we have a polarized country. the 12th think aggression will district is polarized. we are at war on many things. >> blake: it is also a district that has a double the amount of republicans than democrats. >> that is true. what kind of republicans are we talking about? if you want to go into the nitty-gritty, it is a highly affluent district.
income around $60000. a lot of educated republicans. a different type of republican district. even in other conversations you have different types of democrats and republicans. that is where the differences. that is why this is a place where there could be turnover. >> blake: chuck schumer was making an argument last year, one argument was to republicans who live in suburban areas, much of what this district is. he said the agenda doesn't align with you. some would say maybe chuck schumer is right. >> the counter to that is the economy is roaring right now. people are seen that. you're talking about suburban republicans and those benefiting from the economy. there is a counter to what chuck schumer is trying to say.
i expect troy balderson to win. the cause of the make of the district it is different than others. they are just strange. you cannot drop too many conclusions. i expect troy balderson to win. >> we are looking right now around jim jordan. a congressman from ohio, a member of the house freedom congress wants to be the next speaker of the house. he is putting some work in. >> i think everyone in the political class i may be the only one in the studio. >> arthel: you going the presidents way would be going balderson's way. the ohio economy was doing well before president trump.
>> when we took office in 2010, the right track a wrong track was about 30%. that's in the last several years has changed to where people feel they have done better. it is now 60 - 30. i think they largely credit that two republican policies. that will bring good things for this tuesday. >> arthel: having said that, it seems to what you just laid out is that alderson would have the wind at his back. why is this a tight race? >> special elections are strange when you pour lots of money into it you can have strange outcomes. national democrats have been on
the ground spending money for weeks. what their message is -- and their enthusiastic. they want to take back the house house, you will have a tossup. when you have a primary in this race if you do not pick the right type of republican it will swing the other way. thankfully for balderson he has a hold of the district. >> blake: when you look at the president schedule this week he was in for to campaigning, then pennsylvania pennsylvania campaigning. and now in ohio. looking ahead to 2020, if you were advising the president on where he should go, is this a pattern we should see from the president going to ohio, florida, pennsylvania, to help candidates in those states?
>> i don't think the president will be spending much time in massachusetts, california or places that will be completely blue. he will stay with what one him the race the last time. that is smart scheduling. conversely, on the democrat side when they start to campaign they will go to places they think they will get the most votes worried that is what you do. this is not a surprise. i expect to see the president in ohio many times over the next two years. >> arthel: we know the president is popular there. he is still a strong candidate there, not that he is a candidate. there you have in this audience 2700 people. kristin fisher is reporting there several hundred others in overflow rooms. they are there, i asked if they
had a chance to talk to the folks. they are enthusiastic about seeing and meeting and listening and hearing president trump in person. so, how do we know those trump enthusiast, how do we know that enthusiasm for president trump will transfer to balderson? >> they had to move this to a bigger venue earlier. that is always a good thing for a campaign. you cannot ever guarantee it, but that is how you create enthusiasm. you are not going to keep it so attracted a lot of voters to come over to your side. they're not going to switch their votes in the last few days. all you can do is say i need to turn out the vote. i need you to go to the polls and grabbed three friends. it's what the democrats and republicans too. this is a big megaphone. >> arthel: how do you get the
11% on decided to do that? >> the 11% on decided it's just going to be a raw numbers game. more republicans in the district by a wide margin. you are not really worried about influencing those, you're worried about getting your own base out. if you do that you win. the democrats are trying to influence the undecided and also get their base out. >> blake: you mention margin, regardless of who gets the winner loss, how important are the margins? >> i think it will be close regardless. whether that's a couple points here there. >> arthel: shouldn't you pay attention to that? >> i don't think so. it's a special election. if it was a a regular election i think you could pay more attention to it.
the special elections are so weird. just factors go into it. i don't think the margins are as important. >> i think the president is on the scene at the high school. we do expect him at a moment. some of the telltale signs we will see the president. earlier he was talking about tariffs. the monmouth university poll shows that may not necessarily be a political winner in this district. we know what the president thinks about tariffs, he likes them, his administration believes they are a powerful and successful tool. for this district would you advise him to bring up the issue or just let it slide? >> i think you want to let it
slide here. this is a highly affluent district. what people sometimes a country club republicans and executives. fortune 500 executives and look, not to say that there are people who believes that it's a good thing, but i tend to think this is a district that doesn't plan as well. >> blake: i have one final question, i'll throw some pop culture in here, the president had some unflattering things to say. he is ohio's native son. he represents the country well in the olympics he is an upstanding citizen. the president's comments against lebron, will that play into that audience or the race?
>> i don't think it is the wisest thing to pick a fight with him in ohio. he brought a championship to a city that was once labeled a mistake. they reformed their whole image. i do not think it is the wisest move to attack him. >> arthel: this is definitely part of the conversation this weekend. we are at the one minute mark. how long do you think the president will go tonight? >> over or under 45 minutes. >> how much will the president talk about the president and how much we talk about the candidate? >> more than 50% on the president. i think that is fine with troy. i think you just need to make sure he says get out and vote. >> arthel: is balderson there? >> i think he is there at the rally speak to do you think they will come out and do a side-by-side shot?
his comments were aimed directly at president bill clinton, amid the monica lewinsky scandal. and if these comments prove anything, it's that hypocrisy in politics is alive and well. that will wrap things up for me this hour. kasie hunt is back with us for the 3:00. kasie, i don't know what mike pence is thinking when he stares adoringly at the speak as the president speaks, but i wonder if any of that is going through his head? >> reporter: let's just say that some of the behavior that we have, has been alleged against this president, is not necessarily anything that the mike pence that i have covered for many years would have ever approved of. katy, it's nice to see you. >> you too. >> iam kasie hunt in for ali velshi. rick gates, former trump deputy campaign manager, and manafort's longtime business partner, has just concluded his testimony and for the first time in the trial, we're hearing about manafort's time with the trump campaign.
gates is cooperating with the special counsel's office, after pleading guilty to lying to investigators and he's not holding the back. he just confirmed previous reporting by nbc news that paul manafort promised a friend of his a job in the trump white house. for more on this, we're going to go now to ken dilanian, nbc's national security and intelligence reporter. he is, again, outside the courthouse for us. ken, tell us a little bit about what these revelations mean in context to the case and what do we expect this afternoon? >> reporter: that friend, kasie, is a man named steven caulk, and he's a chicago banker with, and manafort is accused of defrauding his bank as part of a $16 million loan. yet manafort was trying to get him a job as the secretary of the army in the trump administration, and there was an e-mail introduced into evidence from december of 2016. this is well after paul manafort had left the trump campaign and after donald trump was elected president. and the e-mail referenced the
no? >> reporter: yeah, this is huge for them. and it looks like it's going terribly for manafort. there's a mountain of evidence against him now, and it seems like their only chance is to somehow impugn rick gates. but even if they do that and even if the jury discounts everything that gates has said, there's a host of other evidence, including manafort's own tax records and the testimony of his accountants and bookkeepers about these foreign bank accounts, where he had millions of dollars that he didn't pay taxes on, kasie. >> reporter: ken dilanian in alexandria, virginia, thanks for keeping an eye on it, what seems to be a fascinating courtroom to be in. thank you, as always. for more on this trial, i want to bring in glenn kirschner, a former federal prosecutor who spent his 30-year career here in d.c. glenn, rick gates has not been shy about saying, look, these are crimes that i committed. he's even gone out there and said, i told these prosecutors about crimes that i committed, that they didn't even know about before we sat down. what -- what's the best outcome
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of this. >> surprised it's not a more colorful term, to be perfectly honest with you. but perhaps there is one you can't say on tv. >> occasional, we use more colorful terms, but not here. >> glenn kirschner, thank you so much for your time and your insights today. really appreciate it. turning now to ohio. quote, we need change. the words of a democratic voter in ohio's 12th district. the last special election before november's midterms. this area was once solidly red, but the political climate might have changed enough to flip this district blue. and the results have major implications for both parties. president trump has campaigned for the gop candidate, state senator troy balderson. trump won the state by 11 points less than two years ago. but the president's support could now be a big liability. that's because the democratic candidate, danny o'connor, has panted himself as the moderate in the race, and this is an area that former presidential candidate john kasich, a fierce trump critic, once represented. as politico sums it up, anything short of a 5 to 7-point win over
upscale suburbs tend to be college educated, white-collar professional class. this area is a third of the population, a third of the vote is going to come out of this. right here, this small area. this is the blue part of the district. and it's become really, really blue, because of donald trump. you see, trump lost it by nearly 20 points to hillary clinton. that was a huge change. he ran the presidential election here in this same area in 2012. it was almost a tie. obama won by a couple of points over romney. absolutely exploded in the age of trump, so this is the epicenter of democratic energy here. that sort of suburban resistance to donald trump. that is the story here. take a look outside of that area, in a little bit of the suburbs up here in delaware. but take a look, you know, the rest of the district here, it's the exact opposite story. you are talking about blue collar, tends to be a blue collar, non-college whites, you know, rural in some cases, small cities. talk about zanesville here. here's a perfect kpamexample. talk about the trump surge in places like this, this county,
overwhelmingly that they needed to turn out to vote, but that republicans, quite frankly, didn't, and that some of those attacks on social security and medicare issues had been working with seniors. what are you hearing on the ground? and what effects did trump's visit have there? that's another thing these sources told me that, they really needed him to just make sure everybody was aware that they needed to go vote. >> reporter: yeah, kasie, prior to trump's visit here, i think you saw a reversal of what would be the normal midterm dynamic, where republicans tend to be a lot more dialled in on midterm elections than democrats are in this special election. democrats were fired up in this one from the word "go," and republicans needed a reason to get behind their candidate, troy balderson, who has been a state senator here for some time. he's got a lot of experience, but has been a bit of a lackluster campaigner. he hasn't exactly set the world on fire. the trump visit here did help republicans in that sense. it galvanized their voters a little bit, got them to make sure they were paying attention, and make sure they could connect
balderson, who they only sort of care about, to trump, who is the core of the republican base right now. whether that had the flip side effect of amping up democrats a little bit more is tough to say. there's nobody in this district certainly that i've talked to who was somehow on the fence about donald trump before that visit. but the president has galvanized voters on the left, too, and what will make this left or break it, will be whether the president's existence, whether the way he and washington, d.c. have operated over the last year and a half has turned off enough of those mitt romney republicans or conservative democrats, who don't typically vote, and got them out to the polls. i talked to some folks like that earlier today. here's what i've been hearing. >> it's kind of, i don't know, embarrassing, i think, for all of us to see the kind of shenanigans that are going on at the highest level of government right now. >> this is really more about sending a message, you know? the republicans have to wake up, you know? if they're not -- if they're not
going to be a break on this guy, then we vote for the other side. >> i'm really not happy with the way politics are going in our country right now and i really believe we need to change. >> reporter: so kasie, with the cavi caveat that it's all anecdotal, what seems to be connecting with voters in this district is running against washington. that worked for donald trump in 2016. danny o'connor seems to be the candidate who has captured that energy now. we will know tonight, hopefully, whether he captured enough of it to be the first democrat to represent this district in his own lifetime. >> hopefully, indeed. steve kornacki, if you're still with me, can i get a little preview of how the night's going to look? i know we're all excited to see you at the big board, but what is one place? if we're looking at one county, one spot on the map as a leading indicator here, where should we be watching? >> yeah, look, i think delaware county. this is just north of columbus here, about a quarter of the
vote is going to come out of it. that was a bad number for republicans. republicans should be winning that by a lot more. this is where trump came and had that rally over the weekend. if the republicans in balderson is in trump territory here or even worse, that's a very bad sign for republicans. >> delaware county, the waukesha of tonight's congressional race. steve kornacki and garrett haake, thanks to you both, really appreciate it. so what does this tell us about the upcoming 2018 midterms in november? for that, i am joined by connie schultz, she is a pulitzer prize winning journalist and a former columnist for the cleveland plain dealer, now a nationally syndicated column iist. full disclosure, she is married to sherrod brown. connie, great to see you again. i really appreciate you being here. i'm interested to know what you think, as someone who spends time on the ground, thinking through, understanding that the political dynamics of the state of ohio. this is a place that has often been the bellwether, so goes ohio, so goes the country.
but there was some conversation after the election of 2016 that perhaps it would go for republicans and no longer be a swing state. what is this race that we're going to watch tonight tell you about the state of play there? and where do you think things sit in ohio? >> well, casie, first of all, i want to say, i don't usually come midday, but i have such high regard for your work as a journalist, which is why i'm here right now. >> thank you so much. i really appreciate it. >> sure. back in 2004, stay with me for just a moment, when i was still at the plain dealer, we did a series. i wasn't part of it, but it was a huge amount of reporting called the five ohios, and it was called that for a reason. you can't look at one election in the state of ohio and make any determination about how the state's going to go, because it is a bellwether state, always. and i was listening to steve and the other reporter, i'm sorry, i'm drawing a blank on the name. garre >> garrett haake. >> thank you. i couldn't see his face, so it was harder. >> no worries. >> there are substantiative issues at play.
health care looms so large. and a lot of suburban women care about health care. the other thing we're not talking about at all, but suburban women are starting to respond to the family separations. so i think that could be in play, as well. keep in mind that balderson, just last month, said he wanted to raise the eligibility age for medicare and social security. and, of course, that was a bomb that blew up for him. and he's tried to dial that back and he has his mother in an ad for him right now. but o'connor has an ad that compares him to kasich in terms of his willingness to work with others. and supporting what governor kasich, a republican did on medicaid. so you can't look at this one district and predict what's going to happen around the country, certainly. and not around the state. but, again, this has not been -- as was already mentioned, this congressional district has not been in play for, what, three decades, almost. >> and that it is in play now has a lot to do with how people are feeling about these substantiative issues, certainly about trump, as well. and keep in mind, the day before trump came to ohio, he went
after lebron james. and you don't have to live in the cleveland area to care that the president was attacking lebron james. he's popular around the country. he crosses all ethnic and racial lines, economic lines, and people all across the state love him. so that was not the smartest move for him. and then you have balderson yesterday talking about, he was in zanesville staying, we don't want people in franklin county determining who's -- you know, my immediate reaction when i heard that was, wait a minute, i've got -- we've got two daughters, four grandchildren, two sons-in-laws we happen to be very fond of and they all live in franklin county. what's wrong with franklin county? and it made me realize, there are a lot of people in zanesville who know or love someone in franklin county right now. it was such a tone-deaf move, i'm still trying to understand how he could have said that. he must have really tired and hot. >> well, we certainly have been dealing with a heat wave. can i ask you, you know, i think for a lot of us who covered -- you know, i was on the road for the 2016 campaign, but there was a lot of assumptions about
who -- what the outcome of that was going to be. and there's been a lot of reflection since about, you know, how to make sure that those kinds of mistakes aren't made again. i'm wondering, is there anything that you're picking up on the ground in ohio that you think we in the national media should be paying attention to? the local trends, the feelings among your neighbors, people who have switched, who may have surprised you. is there anything that you think we should be watching in the next couple of months? >> well, i live in the city of cleveland. so i'm not surprised, particularly, in our neighborhood, our surrounding area is predominantly african-american. so i'm not surprised, because it's been very consistent. you know, we have the same conversations over and over again of real substance, but the concerns haven't changed that much. what i'm hearing particularly from ohio, i go back to these suburban moms in particular who supported trump. some of whom did not. who voted for obama, but didn't want to vote for hillary clinton, they voted for donald trump. and two themes keep bubbling up.
number one, even if they still somewhat support trump, they don't want everyone else to behave like him. they don't want a governor like trump or a member of congress like trump or a mayor like trump, right? but again, i go to the family separations issue. i don't think we're paying enough attention to how much this has affected a lot of voters, particularly women. who, we've all seen the images. i mean, we've all been a child, right? let's start that. and if you've ever loved a child and you watch that, and i don't think we're paying enough attention to that, yet. that could have a long-term impact, depending on how much the democrats bring it up, i think. >> connie schultz, thank you so much for your insights today and thanks for coming on. >> sure. coming up, what some are calling junk insurance. the new, inexpensive plans being pushed by the trump administration in an effort to undermine obamacare. we'll explain who really pays for those. but first, an nbc news exclusive. president trump's next immigration target. legal immigrants. the details of his plan, a plan
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legal immigrants to become citizens, affecting millions of people. and they plan to do it by going after anyone who has used certain public welfare programs. nbc's national security and justice reporter, julia ainsley joins me now with more on her exclusive reporting. first of all, julia, great reporting. some of these programs include -- they're essentially targeting people who have used obamacare, the children's health insurance program, food stamps. can you just explain a little bit about what the changes would be and also, how is it that the trump administration can do this basically unilaterally? >> yeah, that's a great question. i was asking myself the same thing. so i was directed back to this law that was passed in the 1800s, if you can think ellis island days, that think that immigrants coming in who wanted citizenship, it should be considered whether or not they would be a public charge. whether they would be a drain on the american economy rather than supporting it. that has been broadened over the years. and even now, most immigrants who are on social security insurance, ssi, what we think of
as classic welfare, cash assistance, they would have a hard time gettinging citizenship. generally, they want to see you prove that you are table to work here if you're getting a green card or moving from green card to citizenship. what is changing is how much they are broadening this. they're going after so many social programs that could be potential disqualifiers. that would be like, if you've used the insurance exchange that's provided through obamacare, if you've had children's health insurance, which in a lot of states is given to people well above the poverty line, or if you've used food stamps. some versions even included heat assistance. a lot of things that are, yes, given to people who might be falling through the cracks, and who need a social safety net, but also things given to people who could be making as much as 250% of the poverty line. >> julia ainsley, thanks so much for shining a light on this. >> kasie. coming up, michigan's race for governor is testing the limits of the left. one candidate, gretchen
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to the polls today. kansas, michigan, missouri, and washington are also in play, as democrats remain just 23 seats shy of controlling the house. but there's another story line shaping up in the gubernatorial races. as "the new york times" points out, the surge of women running for office could be the biggest breakthrough in america's gubernatorial races. as "the times" writes, quote, nowhere is the challenge as great as it is in the midwest, which was the last region to elect a female governor. and where a woman has not been elected since jennifer granholm of michigan, a democrat, left office in 2011. with me now is one of those channelers, gretchen whitmore. she's hoping to be michigan's democratic nominee in the state's gubernatorial race. gretchen, thanks very much for being here. i want to start about asking you about the late-breaking dynamics in this race. your progressive challenger releasing a medicare-for-all single-payer health care plan that seems to have at the very least caught the interest of bernie sanders, who's endorsed him, and gotten a lot of
attention in the waning weeks. what's your health care plan and why do you disagree with your opponent? >> listen, i'm not running or disagreeing with anyone. i'm running on a real plan and a real record to get things done for people in michigan. michiganders aren't interested in labels or an outsider coming in. we want a governor who can solve problems. and as the senate zmdemocratic leader, i had a proud progressive leader. that's why everyone from the uaw to planned parenthood have endorsed me. >> so do you support medicare for all? >> i support getting everyone covered, absolutely. universal coverage is everyone's goal here. but as the one person who negotiated medicaid expansion in my state, 680,000 people got coverage because of the work that i did. we're not going to stop until everyone in my state is covered. and i'm not waiting on washington, d.c. to solve our problems here in michigan. >> do you think medicare for all is an unrealistic plan? do you -- do you think it couldn't be paid for, for example? >> well, listen, it would
require two waivers from the trump administration, a constitutional amendment, and $100 billion. i'm not going to wait on washington, d.c. i think we in michigan got to move forward. we need a governor who's actually going to be able to get in there and get things done. our water -- we have a water crisis in michigan that is not over. the devos agenda has been destroying the public school system in michigan. as a mom with kids in our public schools, these are the things that i know how to get done. and i don't accept excuses in my house and i don't except them from my government, either. and i'm ready to get to work and solve these problems. >> do you think that the democratic socialist label is helpful for democrats who are trying to get elected in a state like michigan, that voted for president trump? >> you know what, michigan is that kind of a state. we go back and forth, we really do. and people ask me less about whether or not i am a democrat. they ask me what my plan is, how we're going to solve these problems. i think that, you know, having -- getting caught up in those labels is really, you
know, a distraction. we've got to talk about cleaning up drinking water. people in flynt still don't have clean drinking water. our schools used to be the best around and now we're in the bottom ten in our country. this was the place people came to from around the world for a good job. and all of the attacks on labor have made it harder and harder for working people to get ahead. these are the things that i stay focused on. and that's why, i think, my campaign is one that's been able to build a real coalition and a place where progressives have been able to come home to, because we got to start getting things done. and it starts with winning this election. >> why do you think president trump won michigan in 2016? >> i think there's been a lot of analysis, but it was really a low turnout year, it was. and michiganders are frustrated. there are a lot of people in my state that are hurting. they haven't seen a raise in ten years, or they're working a couple of minimum wage jobs and cannot put food on the table or get ahead and they're frustrated. that's why the campaign that i've run has stayed really focus
on the dinner table issues. >> sure. >> if you're worried about your child's education, you know, nothing else matters. and that's why that's where i'm going to start fixing problems. >> hillary clinton did lose in 2016 in michigan twice, first to bernie sanders in the primary in a surprise and then again to president trump. so, your point about low turnout taken, but at the same time, clearly, there's something going on in the state that has people looking for something different, something outside of the establishment. and i'm just wondering how you've thought about that in the context of your campaign? >> you know, i've been the leader of the resistance during my time in the legislature. and despite that, always being in the minority party, i was able to deliver health care coverage to 680,000 people in my state. i do think it's time for change here in michigan. our leaders have failed us. and that's why i'm running. that's why i'm leading with a real plan to clean up our drinking water. with a plan to get people into high-wage skills. to fix our schools by fighting back on the devos agenda here in
michigan. >> do you think that there's anything that president trump has done in office that you would commend him for? >> well, you know, he has given lip service, anyway, to rebuilding the sue lox, which is in the upper peninsula, is the gateway for so much international commerce. our state depends on that gateaway remaining open and it's dangerously old. so if he actually starts to take steps towards doing that, i would be grateful, and certainly everyone in my state would be. >> gretchen whitmore, running to be the democratic nominee in michigan's race for governor, we'll be watching closely. thank you so much for your time today. >> thank you, kasie. joining me now is sahil kapur, a national political reporter for bloomberg politics. sahil, let's talk a little bit about this michigan governor's race to start. it does seem as though -- it feels to me like a familiar dynamic, and maybe i've overlearned the lessons of having covered bernie sanders' surprise win in michigan on the ground, but, it does seem like the energy of voters across the map is with people who are from
outside of the political system. >> right, there's that spectrum, there's the outsider/insider spectrum, and there is the ideological spectrum. and i think this resembles the bernie sanders versus hillary clinton proxy battle in a way, because that was a genuine difference of opinion in what direction to go, how to campaign, how to think about issues inside the democratic party. you have the center-left candidate in hillary clinton, who gretchen whitmore sounded very much in the mold of, you know, kind of, remember hillary clinton's phrase, i'm a progressive who likes to get things done? >> yes, indeed. >> that's almost exactly how she's campaigning, where you have abdul sayyed who's running a as a progressive candidate on medicare for all, a much bolder, loftier vision, even if it may not be achievable in the near future, some progressives believe that's the way to galvanize the base. the big "x" factor is women. the democratic base have decided to turn a corner and they want more women in power. >> that's totally understand and agree with that particular point. and you know, one thing that our first read team has looked at, they've -- they rate, under this
headline, in democratic primaries, it's often bernie sanders versus emily's list. and this is exactly to your point. the democratic advocacy group that backs pro-choice, pro-abortion rights and female political candidates, back in 2016, there wasn't much love lost between bernie sanders and emi emily's list, and fast forward to now, the two factions are facing off more and more, and that's recently because sanders in races that feature women have often endorsed a rival male candidate instead. what do you make of that? >> the interesting thing about brn bernie sanders and his whole push is he's not losing a lot of primaries. his primaries are not always victorious, but he's clearly winning the battle of ideas, even when he loses primaries. the candidate that's more center left who wins that primary ends up campaigning and running and kind of trying to pursue very progressive ideas. so that's the tectonic shift i think we see in the democratic party. it's going to be very interesting to see how it plays out in the next presidential primary. >> i totally agree with you.
on one other race i'm watching today, kris kobach, the gubernatorial primary in kansas, what does the landscape there look like, in a very deeply red state if kobach pulls that off? >> kobach seems to be the favorite. he's got that trump endorsement, which is very valuable in republican primaries. we'll see how it works in the general election. his opponent, the incumbent governor right now who took over for sam brownback is essentially portraying his -- his campaign is essentially portraying him as the only one who can defeat democrats in the general election. that's a remarkable thing to say in often is deep, red state. who is basically trying to signal to voters, this guy is so toxic, he's a republican who could lose in kansas right now. that's the battle, but i would still say kobach is probably the favorite. >> and there's the "x" factor, greg orman running as an independent. sahil coo pookapur, thank you s for your insights today. >> thank you. up next, president trump's latest move to dismantle obamacare. he's pushing a type of health care coverage that some are calling junk insurance. after the break, we'll break down what the plans really
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to break it all down. anne, it's great to see you. what is the administration trying to do? and why are they calling this junk insurance? >> reporter: well, kasie, the administration is trying to give people choice, but under the obama administration, short-term health insurance plans was a stopgap measure. three months' of coverage for people between jobs or waiting for more comprehensive coverage. now the trump administration is extending the length of those policies to up to three years. but not what they cover. and that's why some are labeling them "junk." >> reporter: for the 28 million uninsured americans, short-term health plans may sound like an attractive alternative. certainly, the trump administration is playing up the positive. >> this will be great health care. >> they may be as much as 50 to 80% cheaper than the obamacare exchange plan. >> reporter: for example, in los angeles, short-term premiums start at $141 a month versus $264 for the cheapest obamacare
policy. but critics warn, you get what you pay for. >> people really need to know exactly what these policies, when they buy them. and the reason that they're inexpensive is because they don't coffver very much. >> reporter: what they don't cover? 43% offer no mental health coverage. 62% don't cover substance abuse treatment. 71% don't cover outpatient prescription drugs. and $100%, all of them, don't cover maternity care. the policies may also contain annual or lifetime benefit caps, unlike obamacare plans. we reached out to some of america's largest insurance providers, but none would comment on camera. in a statement, america's health insurance plans, an industry trade group said, consumers should clearly understand what their plan does and does not cover. the new requirement for short-term plans to make clear disclosures to consumers is an important improvement. that knowledge, critics say, is crucial. >> in the case of a lot of
cancer patients, when they get a cancer diagnose, they found out they were not covered for things they thought they were going to be covered for. >> reporter: critics say it could divide risk pools, with younger people opting for short-term plans, while driving up premiums on obamacare plans, because they have older, sicker patients. >> the better solution would be to have everybody in the same insurance pool. >> reporter: now, the trump administration predicts about 200,000 americans will switch from obamacare to these extended short-term plans. these extended plans will be available in october and a very important thing to remember, kasie, is that these plans do not provide coverage for pre-existing conditions, which, of course, obamacare covers. >> anne thompson, thanks so much for that reporting. very useful information for all of you are viewers as they try to make those decisions coming
in the fall. coming up next here, mike pence in his own words on how a president should behave. and what should be done to a president if he or she engages in, say, immoral or unethical behavior. what he said then versus what he's doing now. but first, 20 years ago today, august 7th, 1998, 224 people were killed, thousands more hurt when an al qaeda-affiliated suicide bomber drove pickup trucks into the gates of the u.s. embassies in the capitals of kenya and tanzania and detonated thousands of pounds of explosives, reducing the buildings largely to rubble. earlier today, the state department honored the victims of the attacks that set off what many view as the modern age of terror. the united states accused osama bin laden of being behind the embassy attacks and it's believed that just months after those bombings, he began his planning for september 11th, 2001.
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lewinsky scandal that a president who was unfaithful to his wife should be removed, writing -- >> joining me now is charlie sykes, a contributing editor at the weekly standard and an msnbc contributor and the author of a book "how the right lost its mind." charlie, those words perhaps pressient from mike pence to say what's going on now and our acceptance of this behavior would lead to more difficult things. but this time he's standing by somebody who has allegedly at least committed some of the sins that pence was talking about there. >> well, that was then and this is now. but mike pence tracks almost perfectly what has happened to the conservative movement, because his comments back in the
1990st rst not at all surprising, virtually every conservative thought leader made the point. the republican party said character matters. the president is a role model. a president who lice discaes disqualifies himself from office. think about what we've seen evangelical christian leaders do from the '90s to now. back in the 'niblt90s, no group thought personal integrity was more important than evangelicals. now they're among his strongest supporters. so mike pence has gone with the flow of what's happened to the conservative movement and conservative mind. >> charlie, do you think, though, that pence has really -- it's easy to -- when you read these old columns, he really believed what he was saying. his personal morality is often brought into his public life.
you look at the relationship he has with his wife, cakaren. he has lived out the things what you should do. has he really changed do you think or is he just biting his tongue? >> well, that's an interesting question. we've also seen how transactional our politicks become, what people are willing to bite their tongues for if they get something in return. again, he's not the only one who has made this kind of a bargain. in his case, as in the case of many of the christian leaders, it's pretty dramatic if you compare and contrast what they said then and what they are doing right now. >> charlie, i want to ask you about one other -- it's related, not exactly on point with mike pence. but there's a story out about paul ryan, and he writes that trump used to call ryan a boy scout. i thought it was a compliment, said ryan, a former altar boy and habitual people pleaser. but after the republican
controlled congress passed bills, trump announced that he would stop using the nickname, so i guess he meant it as an insult all along, the speaker said. i didn't realize. this is illuminating on so many levels. but the fact that the president seems to think that calling someone a boy scout is an insult, that seems to be another xach example of this evolution you're talking about. >> yes, and paul ryan has made some bargains, as well. that piece is very illuminating. there were some things i thought, i didn't really understand that before. but yeah, that's an interesting anecdote. that apparently when donald trump was referring to paul ryan as a boy scout, he thought that was demeaning, that was an insult, that he wasn't tough enough, that he wasn't a fighter, what the playground bully you were supposed to be in the era of trump. it's interesting that paul ryan tells that particular story. >> for what it's worth, my father was an eagle scout and i will always look up to that. charlie sykes, contributing editor at "the weekly standard,"
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but i had said earlier today that if it's 2% or less, republicans are going to be talking in a back room and they're worried. byron said they're worried. they know this is a tough midterm coming up, and i agree with him. >> and it absolutely is for the president in power. there's no question about that. very few acceptation. as we wait to see balderson take the stage, i want to ask you quickly, todd, about this, the rnc said it would have made a big difference to have a president on the ballot. they say the special elections are different. here's rnc chair. >> i think these special elections are called special elections for a reason. there's only two candidates on the ballot. turnout is a huge issue in august in ohio, the week before school starts. turning out that vote is going to be critical. and i will tell you, president trump would win this district today and he would win it in november. >> what do you think, todd? >> this is another case of
president trump pulling a republican candidate out of the fire. the president won this race for mr. balderson, no doubt about that. look, there is an issue though. there's been a lot of concern about this enthusiasm gap. and we've seen the polling on that. the lrepublicans need to understand it's not a given they'll keep those numbers moving into the midterm elections. democrats have real trouble on their hands. i imagine ocasio-cortez is going to be crying into her pillow tonight. o'connor ran not as a progressive, a socialist. that's a big problem for the democrats. >> it's interesting he did because he ran as somebody who was much more to the center. troy balderson now the gop nominee and presumed front runner at this point, is getting ready to take to the mic there in ohio 12 district where the
knocking, all of it. it's been phenomenal and it's a great honor for me. i would like to thank president trump. [cheers & applause] mr. president coming to town. i would also like to take the time to thank vice president pence for coming. [applause] and the big shoes that i'll be filling. i wouldn't have got through a lot without him through this process. congressman pat teaberry. [applause] i would also like to take this opportunity and time to also thank chairman steve who has been a great asset to me and has been helping me all through this process. chairman, thank you. there's many others. i could just keep going on and
on. but tonight i'm going to promise to you that i'm going to work relentless relentlessly, relentlessly for this 12th congressional district. [cheers & applause] america is on the right path and we're going to keep it going that way. [cheers & applause] it's time to get to work. over the next three months, i'm going to do everything i can to keep america great again, so that when we -- when we come back here in november -- get ready. we've got to come back here in november. [cheers & applause] i have earned your vote for a second time. danny o'connor ran a hard race. and i look forward to
campaigning against him again this fall. thank you all so much for all your support. god bless you and god bless america. [cheers & applause] >>you can see the enthusiasm there. it appears it has been a squeaker of a win. still too close to call. we're told there's some provisional ballots that need to come in. he's claiming victory, though. hey, ed. >> shannon, good to see you. the rnc has just put out a statement basically declaring victory. the republican national committee saying, this is proof that the so-called blue wave is just a ripple. they need to make sure that everything is counted and they've got all the provisional ballots. in terms of the ballots 100% in, balderson, the republican you just saw, is winning by 1,754
votes. that is a wider margin than we had seen just an hour or so ago. at one point these two candidates, danny o'connor, the democrat, and troy balderson the republican, were separated by 155 votes. so a 1754-vote lead is sort of massive for balderson right now in the context of how close this race is. one quick note that hasn't been noted a lot tonight. the green party got 1,127 votes. so not enough to tip the ballots, but without the green party candidates and those votes on the left, the democrat candidate o'connor would have been even closer. so there might be some frustration on the democratic side as well when you talk about socialists and others pulling the party to the left. the green party candidate ended up making this kind of more interesting. without the green party
candidate, this would have been even, even tighter, shannon. >> and it may have even put it within the mandatory recount margin, which is .5. if it's inside the margin, the state pays for it. but outside of that, the loser would have to pay. unless it turns out they win, then their money is refunded. >> by our calculation, that puts balderson the republican up by .9 percentage points. so it would be a bigger margin than the smaller .5 percentage of points, meaning that if the green party candidate had not been in here, this likely would have been within the .5 percentage needing a recount. right now, barring whatever votes we have, we'll see what else happens. right now it's outside of that threshold and the republican is leading and likely to win. >> what's the lesson tonight for republicans?
>> work really hard. if president trump is popular in your district, see if you can get him to come campaign for you. he said he's going to be doing it pretty much 24/7, as we head toward the midterm elections. but for more republicans who are in the suburban areas, areas that are really close. maybe, hillary clinton won by a little bit. those are very difficult balancing acts to work with the president, support the president and kind of distant yourself in other ways. it's a tough act to pull off. >> i quickly want to ask you, the author of this new book, and you talk about the resistance and the left and the frustration and anger. those folks showed up tonight, i have a feeling, in a big way. >> there is an enthusiasm. make no mistake about it. this is an august election. a lot of people showed up. i think donald trump made the difference coming in in the last
minute. but he can't be everywhere. he plans on campaigning five to six days a week, but he still can't be everywhere all the time. candidates are going to have to find a reason to inspire voters on their own, not just through president trump. there is a silver lining for republicans tonight. three candidates endorsed by ocasio-cortez and sanders all lost their primaries. so the wins might be coming a little bit out of the sails of the democratic socialist movement at the time. >> yeah, leslie, what do you make of that, because she's been heralded as such a rising star. they've been saying don't pin all your hopes on her. the entire party is not going to work going that far left, just like president trump is not going to work in all districts. >> absolutely. i said before, what works in the bronx isn't going to work in certain areas like ohio's 12th district, for example.
that's why you see candidates like this. and you have to. and you see that on the right as well. there are people that are more moderate, people that are more evangelical in the republican party. i'm not surprised that some of these far left-leaning socialists are working in some of these flyover states, if you will, and aren't more successful. just when you look at the demographics, they do work better in a more diverse community like the bronx. also millennials. in a state like i am in in california, those two will play much better. >> we're going to check in on other states as well. >> i think the lesson here is for the establishment republican to get on board, stop trying to sabotage president trump. he is the president. it's time to get on board. as far as these democrats go and
the socialists, you had ocasio-cortez and bernie sanders out in kansas. you would have a better shot of converting them to vegetarianism out there than socialism. it's just not going to work. >> we'll try to give you upd e updates on those other states as well. thank you very much. stick around. there are other primaries tonight. kansas and others. the president did endorse controversial secretary of state. we're going to touch on those. let's check in with dan. good evening, dan. >> yeah, good evening, shannon. it could be a long night here in topeka. the race for the republican nomination for governor has been very close all night long. that late endorsement from president trump could be an important factor. let's go to the latest numbers
we have. we have the governor at 40.8%, with about 1,000 votes separating them. he was trailing by as much as 5%. all of those votes cast before the trump endorsement. when those votes started coming in, he surged ahead for a short time there. he is trailing by about 1,000 votes. he's extremely anti-illegal immigrati immigration. he's made some wild unsubstantiated claims about voters voting illegally. in the meantime, the governor -- right now it's at a razor-thin margin. the sitting governor has the lead. and of course we'll hear from the winner at some point tonight and we'll report back.
>> yeah, if we can figure out who it is tonight. dan, we'll check back in with you. thank you. over now to michigan to check in on john james, a u.s. army combat veteran who also got a presidential endorsement in his battle to unseat a democratic senator. mike tobin is live. >> john james, who you just mentioned, an iraq war veteran and michigan businessman. as soon as the votes started being counted, it was clear he was running away with it. he now faces his biggest fight. she's got a comfortable lead in the polls and more money. james wasted no time going after her, saying she has failed the people of michigan, that her time is up. she, he says, faces the fight of her life.
>> she has turned her back on all of michigan. and whether you're talking about suburbs or rural or all of michigan, she's failed all of us. the progressive agenda pits whites against blacks, haves against the have notes. left against right. we are all americans. >> and the president's pick on the republican side ran away with it as well. shannon, back to you. >> thank you very much. we will check back in on all of these races right after this break. ♪ ♪ ♪ raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens ♪ ♪ bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens ♪ ♪ brown paper packages tied up with strings ♪ ♪ these are a few of my favorite things ♪ ♪ ♪
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major new credibility problems for gates. we already knew he lied to the government about his wrongdoing. now he's submitting he also stole money from manafort and maybe even from the trump inaugural committee. can they sway the jury in a damaged witness? and even when mueller's prosecutors tried to bring the trump camp and the inaugural committee in the court today for the first time, it seemed to fizzle out. gates admitted he had an extra marital affair. he insisted it was not used to pay for what was called his "secret life." he also admitted to create fake invoices to try and cover up some of the shady transactions for manafort. after all these lies and the fraud you committed, you expect
this jury to believe you. he said, yes, i'm here to tell the truth and take responsibility for my actions. he said he may have submitted improper expenses. he testified while he was working for that committee, he asked manafort to consider a nomination for a chicago banker who just so happened to give manafort a big loan as he faced a cash crunch. presidential advisor said there's still no evidence that the president did anything wrong. >> this is not a great case. it's not a tidy case. but i don't think either of these men did anything that could implicate the president. >> now, i mentioned gates saying he submitted improper
expenses. he did not go into more detail in that. >> we're getting more news too about the president's former attorney. >> it's about alleged bank fraud and tax evasion from before the campaign. now they're reporting that michael cohen is also being in-- the president tweeted last month that he was making up stories to get out of tax trouble that had nothing to do with the president. >> all right, ed. thanks for doing double duty. all right. more breaking news from ohio district 12. crashing a policeman's wedding to senator elizabeth warren calling the justice system racist.
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supporters who won this race, they'll say balderson has won it outright. technically, you're right. the associated press, which is what fox news goes by, technically has not called this race. but you heard balderson himself claim victory. and then president trump went ahead on twitter shortly before balderson spoke and said, yes, troy balderson has won this race. and he took credit for it. president trump came here on saturday to rally his supporters around troy balanced -- balderson. if he had lost this race, it would have been just an epic upset for republicans heading into the midterms. they've held onto this seat for nearly four decades, but in the end, troy balderson it appears is going to be able to squeak out a win. this is really a sign that when the republican establishment and
really the entire republican party comes together, they are able to hold back this blue wave that many are predicting heading into the midterms. you also had house speaker paul ryan and republican governor all come here and back balderson. and they don't exactly see eye to eye or like each other all that much. so this is a sign that when republican party coalesces, they're able to get a big win when they need it. >> if this formally becomes a win for the gop, these two will have to keep campaigning because they're facing off again in the november election. >> isn't that a wild thing? it's a three-month term. and he even said that in his speech tonight. balderson said, over the next three months i'm going to do everything i can to make america great again. but, yeah, they're going to have to face off again in november.
it's pretty wild. >> maybe back out to ohio as this kicks up again in the fall. thank you very much. new tonight, democrat darling senator elizabeth warren is taking another step to the left and now appears to be attacking america's entire criminal justice system. >> hi, shannon. at the time elizabeth warren was participating in a q&a session in new orleans. the massachusetts senator talked about what she says are disproportionate arrests of african-americans for petty drug possession. watch her. >> it's racism. [applause] i mean, front to back. >> political analysts say warren is pressing for a
potential presidential run and is trying to forge ties beyond her largely white political base in massachusetts. but the national reviews call warren out for what he says are lies about the justice system, quoting the contention that u.s. law enforcement is a product of racial hatred is a paranoid line, from top to bottom, beginning to end, front to back. also cited numbers, saying blacks also account for 50% of homicides and police are not just making up these crimes. meantime, the republican running for her seat wants her to apologize for her comments, quoting again, words like this are polarizing and divisive without regard for how they sound for people who are tasked with criminals keeping us safe and administering justice.
and amid this debate over race and justice, a group of black lives matter activists filmed themselves crashing the wedding of one of the sacramento police officers accused of fatally shooting clark back in march. >> i just wonder how you've been sleeping since march 18th. >> clark was allegedly vandalizing cars when he was confronted by police who thought he was carrying a weapon. he was not. the shooting is under investigation and black lives matter has vowed to approach the accused officers where they are vulnerable. >> up next we've got texas ag ken paxton on his challenge to daca. plus iranian sanctions in place. citizens protests, unrest, and anger, but the regime needs to stand its ground.
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in 2017. these will the facts being reported. a mother so desperate for a job in the u.s. that she turned her daughter to an alleged sexual predator. they were processed and released and expected to attend immigration in the future. not only was she not related to pedro, but police say there's evidence she had been sexual assaulted. he's facing multiple charges, including rape. daca is in a state of legal limbo. tomorrow, the texas attorney general will take a multi-state case to a federal courtroom and a fight to try to end the obama-era program to grant amnesty. paxton is here live tonight. you're staying up late with us ahead of this big case tomorrow. thanks for being with us.
>> thanks for having me on. >> i want to read something from a federal judge who on friday night we reported here ruled against the administration's attempt to get rid of daca. he said, the court simply holds that if dhs wants to take more action, it must give a rational explanation for a decision. they're saying president obama didn't have the authority. a hodgepodge of illogical assumptions will not do. he says they haven't done a good job of explaining why daca should go way. >> this is unconstitutional. president obama had no authority to change the law. he admitteded that he didn't have that authority. we had a similar case like this a couple of years ago that we took all the way to the supreme court and we won. this is an unconstitutional action by president obama and
should be vacated and set aside. >> aclu says this very simply. daca is constitutional. deal with it. >> well, obviously we definitely are saying that it is unconstitutional. they need to set this aside. and something needs to be done, this definitely needs to be done by congress. that's our argument. these are policy decisions that need to be vetted with all of our representatives. this needs to be a decision by the entire congress, not one person. >> why do you think we have three federal judges who have said that daca must continue? why three federal judges so far? and tomorrow you'll argue to a fourth, have come down on that side? >> well, we're actually arguing different cases. i don't agree with their reasoning. it doesn't make sense that president trump cannot undo an executive order done by a
predecessor. we're not talking about president trump's rescinsion of it. we're actually going back to an original order and arguing it was unconstitutional. if we can set that aside, none of these other decisions will matter because it'll be gone. >> okay. i want to read something the communications director of america's voice. he says this, as far as the attorney general sessions pushing back. he can claim he's up holding rule of law all he wants, but it works when it aligns with justice. but no one can convince the vast majority of americans that doing so is just. just or legal? how does this decision get made? >> look, if we start making exceptions and we start allowing a president to make law, then those exceptions will continue.
to people want president trump to make law? they distrusted power in the hands of one person. it is up to congress, not a federal judges, not any of these federal judges should have the authority though change the law, nor should president obama have the authority. this is about spreading power around and letting the people's representatives make the decisions, not one decision. >> are you asking for a nationwide injunction against daca if you win this case? >> not initially. we're asking in that the whole order be set aside, so that it be viewed as null and void, that it no longer exists. >>we now have eight justices there and a 4-4 decision leaves nobody be any resolution. so we'll see. keep us updated tomorrow. >> we will. and thanks for having us on. >> it is still too close to call in ohio. we've got breaking news.
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>>this is a fox news alert. we want to take you back to ohio. all eyes are on this ohio special election for house seat district 12. democrats were hoping tonight's election would be a precursor to a progressive wave in november. the race is too close to call. but we are getting breaking news. now you see there the spread is about 1700-plus votes. they say 100% of districts are in but they're telling us this additional information. 3,435 provisional ballots were cast. there were 5,048 outstanding absentee votes. none of those ballots can start to be counted until august 18th. now then we understand it has to go through every potential county. they've got bipartisan groups to count and tally them up. that's got to be done by august 24th and only then will there be
an official certification. we're told at that point if there is less than .5 percentage points separating the candidates, that would trigger an automatic recount. we've got a long way to go on this race. tonight balderson up by 1700 plus. but again thousands of votes still outstanding. this is going to be a long process it sounds like, at least a couple more weeks. let's check in on foreign policy. so far iran is not backing down. hall has the very latest. >> protests against iran continued this week after months of unrest, as anger against the regime's corruption grew. now the situation is near breaking. but the iranian leadership has been defiant and rejected all outreach just hours before the sanctions yet, president rejected sanctions with the u.s.
>>in my opinion what americans are seeking is to make the iranian people hesitant about their country. >> since president trump withdrew from the iran deal, the economy has been in free fall. and he said that iran would now rely on china and russia. he also said negotiations while sanctions were in place were meaningless,. he said the u.s. would first have to apologize. >> if you stab something with a knife and then say you want to talk, the first thing you have to do is remove the knife. >> opinion is torn. some are defiant. >> i believe america cannot do a damn thing. it can't do anything because the iranians are backing each other. >> while others are hoping the government will talk to the u.s. >>u.s. sanctions are very effective. as you can see, our government should find a solution. they should first solve domestic
problems because people are drowning in poverty and misery. >> but iran does have allies. just days after meetings with mike pompeo. the protests in iran are driven by the dire economic situation. the question now is if the protests will turn into something more and whether the iranian decide enough is enough. shannon. >> benjamin hall, thank you very much. we'll be right back with an election update. the louisiana purchase, is complete! instant purchase notifications from capital one . technology this helpful... could make history. what's in your wallet? with proskin technology intimates overnight for two times faster absorption so you can have worry free nights, and wake up feeling fresh and free for a free sample visit tena.us
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now is that this will kick off the appeal process, again so they can argue that andrew miller does not want to and will not appear before the grand jury as a part of this investigation. what they have argued in the past is they believe this investigation on its whole is unconstitutional, and that is why they think miller should not have to participate in this testimony, this grand jury testimony. so this is their plan going forward. obviously keep in mind miller is not the only aide related to roger stone. somebody in roger stone's orbit that mueller's team has been interested in, kristen davis is supposed to appear later today. so we're on the lookout for her as well, john. >> mj lee outside the courthouse where the grand jury is here in washington. appreciate it. keep in touch if there's more developments. let's go back to the manafort
trial. one of the things we don't know is what is this about? at this point, we're getting close to getting to the jury. judges and attorneys have more conversations at that time in a trial. now you have this mystery where this judge goes out. as we try to figure out what this mystery is, and i don't want to speculate. we know that the prosecutors came to court today for the succeed d second day in a row asking the judge to clean up some of the words they say were prejudicial. they were having testimony yesterday about a loan paul manafort was trying to get, and the judge cracked saying, focus on a loan he actually got. the prosecutors are mad. if you're in a criminal conspiracy, it doesn't matter if you get to the finish line. so there's been tension with the judge about his conduct in the case. how significant is that? >> i mean, could be significant. we don't know exactly what this delay is all about. we don't know if the judge will clear up any of the things the prosecution has been concerned
about. they are concerned what he's been saying could influence the jury in the long run. i think what's interesting also is that we don't know about why a decision was made to seal this discussion that occurred also involving rick gates and the trump campaign and if this is a suggestion by the prosecution that gates is cooperating with the mueller team about that separate investigation, which is about russian interference and about whether there was any collusion with the trump campaign. so a lot of unanswered questions. we'll see how significant they turn out to be. >> normally you get toward the end of a trial, you're clearing up questions. at this juncture, we're adding questions. here's what happened in court. the defense lawyer questioning rick gates, the star witness, paul manafort's former business partner who said, yes, we broke a lot of laws, yes, we lied on our taxes, yes, we lied on these bank forms. that's what rick gates has been saying. the defense has been trying to say you did this. paul manafort is not involved.
kevin downing, the defense attorney. have you been interviewed by other members of the office of special counsel about the trump campaign? rick gates, yes. downing, and were you interviewed on several occasions about your time at the trump campaign? so the defense brings the campaign into the trial. the prosecution says, whoa, stop. they go up to the judge. there was a court filing. the conversation they had with the judge is now sealed. often those kwfrconversations s up later. that has been ordered sealed because the special counsel filed this, disclosing the identified transcript portions would reveal substantive evidence pertaining to an ongoing investigation. sealing will minimize any risk of prejudice from the disclosure of new information relating to that ongoing trial. so rick gates is not just a key witness in the paul manafort trial. they're trying to mine gates for something later. >> that's where this gets really
fascinating. this whole case about manafort has been kind of hard to follow. it's unrelated to president trump other than that manafort was very important to his campaign. the gates stuff is directly relevant to what mueller is looking into. he was in a key position during all of these key moments. the trump tower, the wikileaks document dump. and he stayed on after manafort left. so he's in a very important position to reveal something. now we have what seems to be evidence that he is talking with the special counsel. >> that his role is way more important than just rearview mirror, what paul manafort and he did before they joined the campaign. >> but i think it also reminds us of how much we don't know about what's going on with the investigation. sometimes i feel like i'm having coffee with rudy giuliani every morning because he's on tv so much. but we're only hearing 50% of the story. i think that's a really important thing to keep in mind, especially when you get these little trickles of information
that make you say, oh, well, what's behind the door? we really don't know. so i think when we look at the polling numbers, when we think about this investigation as a political entity, we just don't know what's going to come. it's really hard to be predictive or, you know, make assumptions like the trump campaign seems to make. oh, this'll be done by september 1 because of this doj guidance. well, it's not so clear that doj guidance pertains to this investigation. so i think that's a really important thing to keep in mind here. >> yeah, i think watching the trial unfold, the question raised in many people's minds is how does this relate to the 2016 election? how does it relate to russian meddling? that conversation that defense lawyers raise really revealed that the mueller team was talking to rick gates and perhaps using him -- has plannings to use him as a witness against trump. not only that, but if they extract a conviction against manafort, they also hope to squeeze him for information.
>> you come away when you see that with a clear impression the special counsel -- the trump people would like to say this is an isolated case, nothing to do with the trump campaign. special counsel making the case this is a building block, this is one of our cases, but we're going to move on from here. to the point you make about so much we don't know. mj lee standing outside of that courthouse. a person most people in america haven't heard of, andrew miller defies a subpoena. think back to the elliott spitzer days, a lot of people heard of kristen davis, the manhattan madam. she's about to be a witness for the grand jury. you say, what? what does this have to do with russian election meddling or any trump campaign nefarious activity alleged? we do know they're both very good friends of roger stone. we do know roger stone says this is just because he's a good twitter reader and a good interview reader. roger stone knew in advance or signaled in advance about the wikileaks document dump. do we have any sense of how they think these stone associates can get them to a relevant piece of information? >> we know that they're circling
around roger stone. for weeks they've been interviewing some of his key associates, people like michael caputo, long-time friend of roger stone, and others. they have not spoken with stone, which is also a suggestion they want to talk to people in his orbit before talking to him. i think it also signals more broadly the trump team wants this to conclude by september. this is not going to conclude by september. this investigation is ongoing. there's a lot we don't know. there are some key people yet to be interviewed. they ultimately have to determine how to move forward. >> to that point, there's no hard and fast rule the special counsel has to shut down. there's a general principle that within 60 days or so, you don't deliberately do anything that could interfere with that election. james comey is recent exhibit a in how people say don't do it that way. here's jay sekulow, one of the president's lawyers. they continue to make the public case that mueller has a
responsibility to shut it down. >> this needs to be over with soon. it's -- i think it's been very bad for the country. we're at a point in this inquiry where they can wrap it up. this has been the most transparent investigation in u.s. history. all of these documents given, all of these witnesses put forward, they really don't need to speak to the president. they haven't made the constitutional case to speak to the president. >> he doesn't mention all the stories changed. i would also say all the lies told. the president's lawyers, we'll see if they ever end up in go court, if they're good lawyers. there's no requirement on robert mueller, number one. number two, most people who know robert mueller think he's a career guy. he's not going to deliberately poke during an election season, but he's going to do his work. they're just trying to convince, what, the electorate that if bob mueller keeps going, he's a horrible person? >> it's an argument about propriety and if he were to do something, it would be a break with tradition, inappropriate,
and the president's lawyers are making political arguments because they're worried about impeachment, which is a political matter. i think they're doing what's appropriate in the interest of their client. >> but to lisa's point, we don't hear from bob mueller during all of this. we only hear from the trump side of things. that's had a big hit on bob mueller's numbers. he's been sort of slowly and methodically doing the work and building his case. >> when he wants us to know something, he will let us know something. >> last i checked, president trump is not on the ballot. there's a real open question about how much of that rule pertains to elections where the person in question is not on the ballot. >> great point. we'll keep an eye on this one as we count down to those 60 days. we're mainly waiting to see what happens in the manafort trial this afternoon. up next, president trump being criticized for not doing enough to secure the border. by a democrat.
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we're building that wall. we're building the wall. don't worry. we've already started. we've already started. we're building that wall. we've already started. we're doing a lot of things that people don't even know about. >> that's president trump this past weekend in ohio recycling a signature 2016 theme in an effort to excite republican voters about the 2018 midterms. but the administration's own numbers don't always back up the president's tough immigration talk. and because of that, we have an interesting midterm twist today. the president still struggling to get his wall money from congress and arrests for illegal border crossings are up in 2018 after dipping last year. so, get this, a vulnerable trump state democratic senator now trying to turn the tables. north dakota senator heidi heitkamp says, quote, i don't share the view when people say, well, we don't need to do anything. the border is secure. the border is not secure, but we need to be smart about how we do
border security. here's the punchline. we're waiting for a southern border strategy. bam. it's not often that you have a democrat essentially saying the president either isn't tough enough or doesn't have a plan, choose your way to characterize it, on immigration. >> yeah, moving to the right of trump. she also supported the gang of eight immigration bill that did have a lot of border security money but also included a pathway to citizenship for people here illegally. this is an issue that of course -- >> suggesting she's trying to reposition herself to the right. >> yes, perhaps. i know that's shocking in an election year. undoubtedly, this is an issue republicans view as something they can energize their base on. trump is saying they're starting to build the wall. that is far from the truth right now. and they're not getting the money they need. he's also not fulfilling his own campaign pledge. where is mexico paying for this? >> he's talked about the
possibility of a government shutdown if he doesn't get a big chunk, an allocation of money in the last spending bill they have to do when congress comes back. i want to put these numbers up so you see them. there's been a lot of tougher enforcement by the administration, but there's also this. the numbers don't lie. southern border patrol apprehensions. you see the numbers going up. this is the current fiscal year. the government fiscal year starts in october, running through july. you see those numbers. here's a little comparison. fiscal year 2014 when obama was president, there's the numbers there. family unit apprehensions, just shy of 70,000. '14, just 77,000, almost 78,000. the trump number is higher than the obama numbers. >> i think there are two ways to read those numbers. one is are there more crossings because the economy is booming and the president is empowering border patrol agents to arrest people? but the heitkamp thing is such a fascinating win doe into red-state democrats. she's not the only one. joe donnelly of indiana came out
saying he supports building the wall. joe manchin of west virginia, the same. on the wall in particular, i really think that the president's calls to build the wall are -- i go back to that old cliche of the election that trump's voters take him seriously but not literally. i really think it stands for really people wanting strong border enforcement. you know that heitkamp called really for a southern border strategy. i think she's right on with that. i don't think trump's voters will be disappointed if we don't have a wall specifically, but they do want border enforcement. >> one of the strengths of the trump campaign was that he was and rightly so in many cases, able to look voters in the eye and say career politicians are hypocrites. they say one thing and do another. he made the case that the clintons don't play by the rules. sometimes fairly, sometimes not so fairly. that sold. don't trust career politicians. will it affect him that he rails against this so-called chain migration? and forgive me, his wife's parents were made united states citizens yesterday through the very policy that the president
of the united states says should be ripped up and thrown away. >> it probably should, you know. it is clearly hypocritical. there are so many instances where hypocrisy doesn't seem to stick to donald trump. why that is, you know, is many thesis papers to explore that. i do think that it's a clearly hypocritical move where his family is benefitting. it's kind of another interesting instance where melania trump's parents, the lawyer for them, was making a clear point in stating that chain migration is a dirty word to describe family reunification. it's one of those instances where melania in her view points are totally at ods from president trump and his view points and what his administration is doing. >> we shall see as that plays out. >> i think this will affect him about as much as the trump organization's use of foreign
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midterms are historically about who's sitting in the oval office, but some republicans are trying to flip the script and make nancy pelosi the issue. >> dishonest danny would vote with pelosi to raise taxes and give amnesty to millions of illegals. dishonest danny o'connor, he'd make washington worse. >> before you vote, do your research. nancy pelosi has. that's why pelosi's financing lisa brown's campaign. same values, same liberal records. >> under nancy pelosi, our economy crashed. reckless spending devastating unemployment. >> according to a group that tracks campaign ads, 37% of republican tv ads that aired in ohio's 12th district mentioned or featured pelosi. nationally, 11% of all gop house and senate ads at least mention pelosi. republicans say using pelosi as
a midterm motivator works. while democrats call that wishful thinking or at least exaggerated spin, it's no secret these gop attacks come as more and more democrats say they won't support the california democrat for speaker if their party retakes the house this november. that tells me that it may not be working as well as republicans say, but it has to be working if more and more democrats are saying, nope, won't do it, right? >> so i think there's two interesting parts of this argument. one on each side. so obviously as many of your viewers know, running against pelosi was a big issue in this recent special election in ohio. what a republican down there told me was that the republicans saw it as a particularly good motivator for some republicans who maybe were a little shaky on the president. that, well, you feel shaky on the president, but you really don't want house speaker pelosi. so this is why you got to turn out. this is why you have to vote republican. on the democratic side, i think it's a good argument for democrats because not only does
it inoculate them against these republican attacks, but it also gets at this other piece that many in their base would like to see, which is generational change that they have this fairly elderly leadership in the house and there's certainly a large portion of the party, a notable portion of the party that would like to see younger blood. >> good. >> and pelosi has a real challenge here in becoming speaker again, particularly of the democratic majority. there are a lot of democrats on record saying they won't support her. maybe this is just politics and seeing it on the campaign trail and they'll feel differently in secret ballot elections. but on the floor, those are not secret votes. she can only lose so many. that's why a lot of democrats say privately and some publicly why are you even giving the republicans an issue? you becoming speake again will be very hard. >> that's what's going to -- she's going to face a tough choice. people think -- a lot of people
thought she would face that choice after the election. some people might think before the election. if we move closer, past labor day, and it's like, yeah, the democrats will probably retake the house but it's still a question, no, he's not going to take advice from bill crystal. but he does post this today. pelosi would do her party a favor by announcing that though she looks forward to being part of a democratic majority, that she looks forward to a new leader and she's urging her 75 and over colleagues not do so as well. could there come a point before the election where she has to deal with this question? or is she koconvinced she can a least ride out the election? she's the most organized person in the democratic party. she's the best fundraiser, particularly for house democrats. and she gets this. she can count. >> and i don't think there's any hint of her backing down. she sat down with "the boston globe" editorial board in may and said, i don't want five men
sitting at that table, referring to all the men in congressional and white house leadership. i'm going to be at that table. so she's very committed, i think, to running again for house speaker, even though it probably would benefit her party if she tried to kind of pass the baton. >> but would she run if her math told her she might lose? >> i think she probably would. i think that she believes that she can win. she believes that she can -- the democratic enthusiasm will be so intense if they do win and at the end all these naysayers wllh come to her side. >> we'll continue to watch the dynamic. we have to take a pause for some breaking news. special counsel robert mueller issuing yet another subpoena in the russia investigation. this one also involving trump confidant roger stone. our justice correspondent jessica schneider joins us from washington. jessica, spell this out. >> reporter: a lot seems to be swirling around roger stone. of course, we're seeing the
manhattan madam at the grand jury today. now word just out that the special counsel's team has, in fact, subpoenaed randy credico. randy credico is a comedian, a radio show host, and a friend of roger stone. it was randy credico who roger stone said was his back channel to wikileaks and wikileaks founder julian assange. we know credico initialy refused an interview. he has now agreed to a voluntary interview. this grand jury subpoena is for september 7. not too far away, less than a month away. it really shows that this investigation continues to go on. it continues to move forward. it looks like roger stone is a big part of this investigation. roger stone himself has not been in contact with the special counsel's office, but all of these people in his orbit are
now part of this special counsel probe. again, the manhattan madam is before the grand jury today. we know andrew miller, who is also a confidant of roger stone, he was also subpoenaed. he has not appeared. he will be held in contempt. and now this latest subpoena for randy credico. one last thing, john. rudy giuliani talked about this investigation wrapping up by september 1st. we can see that just by the mere fact that this subpoena for randy credico is for september 7th, that looks very unlikely, and it won't happen. john? >> very important point at the end there. jessica schneider, thank you. september 7th happens to be 60 days before the midterm elections. there's a signal. robert mueller doesn't talk in public, but what he puts on the court calendar tells you a little something. we'll keep track of that as well. before we go to break, marking a milestone. 25 years ago today, ruth bader ginsburg sworn in as the second female supreme court justice. >> in my lifetime, i expect
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several players kneeled, raised fists, or stayed in the locker rooms during the national anthem at last night's preseason games. the nfl says it is still trying to work out a compromise with players. while those talks are ongoing, it will not enforce a previous announced policy that did include fines and other potential penalties. president trump is tweeting he's authorized a doubling of tariffs on steel and aluminum from turkey. the white house says this is a national security issue, but sources telling cnn it's also because of the failed discussions to bring home an american pastor detained in turkey. meanwhile, the turkish lira tanked today because of tensions with the united states and the unwillingness of turkish authorities to raise interest rates. a tiny difference in the vote count but a giant controversy in the republican primary for kansas governor. here's the tally. kris kobach has a 116-vote lead over the incumbent governor jeff colyer. it's the secretary of state
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track of sorts. michael avenatti is in iowa. you know him from the tv. he's attorney for adult film actress stormy daniels. yesterday you see him right there at the iowa state fair. that's a traditional walking tour, face time with potential voters. tonight avenatti has the stage. he's the lead speaker at a democratic fundraising event. he'll test his theory that voters will be looking outside the box as they pick someone to test the current outside the box incumbent. >> i'm here to listen to the great people of iowa, explore the fair, and see if it makes sense to run for president. i think i could beat the president in a general election. i think it's going to be a brutal campaign. i think it's going to require a fighter. i think it's going to require somebody that's scrap wpy. i think it's going to require someone to engage in a significant cage match for the future of this country. >> cage match. i yield the floor.
what do we make of this? >> i'm really, really tired thinking about the democratic field for 2020 already. >> which one of the 25 or 26 or 27? >> i think when you start counting the ones who will flirt with the bid to raise their profile, which may be what mr. avenatti is doing here, 25 might be a lowball number. you're going to need a lot of graphs and charts, moving maps to keep track of them all. >> your first instinct is to laugh, right? forgive me, mr. avenatti. a guy with no political experience. a guy who's been on tv, going after the president in the stormy daniels case. then, wait a minute, donald trump had no experience, a lot of people laughed, said reality tv star, this is just to raise his profile. this is about his ego. >> one thing the democratic base is going to be looking for is someone who's going to go after the president, toe to toe, fight him tooth and nail. that's going to be a real interesting way to see how the
democratic field shapes up because there will be some who naturally because of their personalities will not necessarily want to go as far as a lot of folks on the left want to go, which would be to impeach and then convict the president. others may be more moderate in their approach to the president. michael avenatti clearly is not. maybe he does appeal to that segment of the base. >> we'll see if he's successful or not. sometimes people who get in a race or around in the pregame of a race do influence other candidates even if they do well. here's michael avenatti. you remember michelle obama, if they go low, we go high. when they go low, i say we hit harder. >> that clearly has been his strategy. the question in my mind about avenatti is trump was able to self-fund. i don't think avenatti would be able to self-fund at the same level. at the same time, he's gotten an enormous amount of free media. he's taken a lot of shots at the president. it's not clear to me that any of them have really landed. so i don't think he has a great
track record from which to run. >> would you want to be one of his clients right now? in the sense this has already come up during the michael cohen proceedings in new york where there was a question about whether avenatti should be barred because he's always on television. there was this no person involved in this action has been more yubiquitous in the media than michael avenatti. that was from a federal judge. now anything he says in court for any client can be questioned as politically motivated, right? >> yeah, and i think you're seeing the transition of his career at this moment from a court-time lawyer to somebody arguing in public. but i do think it illustrates the wide openness of this democratic field, the fact that we will think about and talk about and it will get written about the fact that michael avenatti is going to iowa. >> let's be fair. these worker bees get frustrated when these quote/unquote candidates get attention. there's a congressman, mr. delaney, he's in iowa.
we have this picture, i hope. the former republican speaker of the house john boehner, shorts and boat shoes. he says de lay nebraska laney i old buds. showing up for a democratic congressman. okay. >> john boehner is loving life right now. that's for sure. i don't think we expect delaney/boehner 2020. that's probably a little of a stretch. >> sure. >> but, you know, nobody knows. we're in an era with new political rules. nobody quite knows what they are. you will see a lot of democrats throwing out their theory of the case, throwing it up against the wall, and taking share shot. >> and we'll see who paul ryan shows up with. >> excellent. touche. i like that. he'll join boehner in the era of no political rules. up next for us, one year after charlottesville, kanye west, spike lee both on television saying very different things about president trump and race. this is a story about mail and packages.
bundle and save big, but now it's time to find my dream abode. -right away, i could tell his priorities were a little unorthodox. -keep going. stop. a little bit down. stop. back up again. is this adequate sunlight for a komodo dragon? -yeah. -sure, i want that discount on car insurance just for owning a home, but i'm not compromising. -you're taking a shower? -water pressure's crucial, scott! it's like they say -- location, location, koi pond. -they don't say that. two prominent african-american celebrities and two very different takes on president trump one year after the stain of charlottesville. kanye west telling jimmy kimmel he continues to support the president and this he gets annoyed with african-americans who tell him that is unacceptable. >> everyone around me tried to pick my candidate for me, and then told me every time i said i
liked trump that i couldn't say it out loud or my career would be over, i'd get kicked out the black community because blacks, we're supposed to have a monolithic thought. it represented overcoming fear and doing what you felt no matter what anyone said and saying, you can't bully me. liberals can't bully me. news can't bully me. the hip-hop community can't bull y me. >> spike lee said the president stoked division. >> the president of the united states had a chance to denounce hate, hate groups. the whole world saw what happened, and he didn't do it. since this guy's gotten in the white house, it's not even a dog whistle. it's a bull horn.
and then also, anderson, we've seen a rise of the right not just in america but worldwide. >> interesting perspectives from both. where are we a year later? i just add this to the conversation, if i were the president, this would horrify me. 49% yes, 47% no. the question, do you think trump is a racist? half the country thinks the president of the united states is a racist. >> it's stunning. the question is, is the president concerned about that? when he talks about african-americans, he often talks about how the unemployment levels are low. he doesn't really get into anything beyond that. and does he need to come out and say something more publicly now that we're at the year anniversary of charlottesville. there's no indication he will. >> he's not tried to start any dialogue nationally. there was some talk he might do that after the nfl season. instead, he's still picking fights, whether it's lebron james and the basketball arena or the nfl players today. he keeps picking fights with
black athletes. >> you can add to this list omarosa has a new book out and she's alleging there are tapes with him using racial slurs. i think there's added evidence of some of these racial hostilities. i think we as a country generally have not had teaching moments on this issue. it's just been more division over racial issues, which the president has not let on. >> he clearly thinks it's good politics with his base. it's also clearly fairly divisive for the country. >> i don't think trump intends his presidency to be about unity except in the sense of recapturing an american identity that i think many african-americans feel excludes them. i would add maybe latinos to that. i think in the president's conception, it doesn't necessarily. he thrives on divisiveness. >> and the laura ingraham comments in the news this
we have to wear these goggles because the ashes coming off of there so fast, the winds are speeding up so much right now. this is the problem every afternoon here. and there's no end in sight right now. they're expecting these red flag warnings to continue. >> stephanie, thank you. stay safe. the news continues right now. i want to hand it over to chris and "cuomo prime time." chris? >> thank you, anderson. i am chris cuomo and welcome to "prime time." a roger stone confidant is facing a contempt charge in the special counsel probe. is this about hiding the truth? his lawyer says, no, it's about exposing it. he's here to make the case to you. and looks like trump wants to give himself another tax cut. a rule that is good for him and people like him, not so good for the rest of us. one of the architects of the original trump tax plan is here to test it. and as charlottesville braces for the return of white supremacist marchers, trump calls out would-be protesters. the problem is he's talking about nfl players taking a knee, not the klan. seriously? it's friday but we've got so much news, we're going to stay
late tonight. two hours of "prime time." what do you say? let's get after it. so tonight the focus of special counsel bob mueller's probe is on three people. they are all connected to one man, longtime donald trump confidant roger stone. one of them is a radio host identified as the back channel to wikileaks. another is a friend of stone's known as the manhattan madam. the third is a former aide of stone's named andrew miller, who refused today to comply with a subpoena. so he is now facing a contempt charge. why dodge if you have nothing to hide? let's get after it with miller's lawyer, mr. paul kamenar. welcome to "prime time," counselor. >> thank you, chris. good to be here. >> good to have you. let's test the case. is this about hiding? is this about ducking the truth if. >> absolutely not, chris. this is a constitutional
challenge to the lawfulness of the special counsel mueller. what we did was challenge his constitutionality on the grounds that he was not properly appointed under article 2 of the constitution. and we said that if you're going to appoint him under the constitution, he has to be appointed by the head of the department. >> right. >> and the head of the department is jeff sessions, not rod rosenstein. >> right. you made that objection. it was ruled on by the judge in a 90-plus-page decision that every expert that we've had on about it and that i've talked to in the reporting feels confident about it. let me put up the key excerpt for people. this is what the judge said. multiple statutes authorized the special counsel's appointment, and the official who appointed the special counsel had power to do so. so for these reasons explained in further detail below, the witness's motion to quash the subpoena is denied. in other words, you have made the argument. it's been weighed and measured
and found lacking. and while the a.g. didn't appoint the special counsel -- he recused himself -- rod rosenstein, someone who is directly answerable to the president, did. so where is your issue? >> very easy, chris. jeff sessions recused himself from the investigation. >> mm-hmm. >> he did not recuse himself and he could not recuse himself from the constitution, which requires the head of the department to appoint the special counsel. but what you have on the screen there was a different argument in terms of is there even statutory authority to appoint a special counsel? >> the judge said yes. >> this judge said yes. there's another judge who is also hearing this case in the same court, and the argument she had last week, she said these arguments are -- and this is her word -- compelling. she hasn't issued her decision yet, but you have to -- >> compelling in what context, counselor?
compelling political questions, because this judge said that too. these are interesting questions, but they are not legally sufficient. >> no. the judge -- the other judge said that the statutory argument was a compelling argument in terms of the lawfulness. in any event, chris, these are one judge in our case, and the reason we had to not appear at the grand jury was so -- in fact, we even asked this judge to hold our client in contempt of court because under the rules of appellate procedure, you can only appeal a contempt citation. >> right. >> so we had -- >> so you had to be in contempt in order to -- i get that. >> so we're not hiding anything. >> hold on. i get you on the procedural argument. we'll stipulate to that for the point of this discussion. however, why isn't it about
hiding? this guy is not some constitutional, you know, reform zealot. if he has nothing to hide, give the documents over that they say. give the testimony. roger stone says andrew miller has no knowledge or evidence of russian collusion or wikileaks collaboration or any other illegal activity. >> that's right. >> then testify. >> all right. here's the thing, chris. he already talked to two fbi agents for a couple hours. >> he didn't give them everything. >> and then they asked for all the documents. he gave them all the documents. >> he didn't give them all of them because they're asking for more documents. >> well, not really, chris. they're not asking for more documents. they're just asking him to testify about this, and now he is -- >> there was a june deadline that he had to meet in handing over additional document. >> and he did on -- he did. >> he gave them everything they asked for? >> exactly. >> there's nothing outstanding. >> nothing outstanding. so all that's left is, okay, go into the grand jury. and he has a principled issue here. he, himself, is a very staunch libertarian. he worked on gary johnson's campaign in 2016. he doesn't -- didn't vote for trump, doesn't like trump's policies. so he committed for a restricted government power. and what we have here with robert mueller is basically a super u.s. attorney, more powerful than the regular u.s. attorneys.
and regular u.s. attorneys -- >> he's directly answerable to rosenstein, so how is he more powerful? >> so are other u.s. attorneys. >> that's my point. he can file cases in any jurisdiction, in d.c., virginia, new york. your regular u.s. attorney cannot. but listen to this, chris. all these u.s. attorneys are nominated by the president, appointed by the president with the consent of the senate. so here you have robert mueller acting like a u.s. attorney at large, a super u.s. attorney, and he hasn't been -- gone through the confirmation process. so that's why our two arguments is that if he's an inferior officer, jeff sessions has to appoint him. if he's a superior officer, the senate has to confirm him. and he's not really being supervised closely by rosenstein. he's basically given free rein. he's indicting russian foreign agents. >> he has a specific mandate.
this seems like a potential distraction of process. >> it's not a -- the constitution is never a distraction, chris. these are important principles. >> right. but you're assuming it's unclear under the constitution. this judge says it is not. >> well, that's one judge. you have the court of appeals. you have the supreme court. chris, remember in morrison versus olson, you had that case in terms of the independent counsel where the district judge ruled he was unconstitutional, and then by the way, they were held in contempt of court too. >> right, but there was -- but you remember what the issue was in that case, right? it's not the same one that you're bringing. >> it's still the same issue as whether or not the special -- in that case, the independent counsel satisfied the separation of powers in the appointment clause.
they ultimately ruled that they did, but in morrison, justice scalia dissented and that decision by the way is basically going to be overruled, if it already has been. many jurists including justice elena kagan says that justice scalia was right on point on this. so that decision -- >> but you had a majority decision that went against what you're arguing right now. >> no, not on point because we had several other arguments that were not addressed in morrison and that dealt with a different issue of whether the three-judge court can be the appointing power. so it is a very weak precedent at best, and the supreme court has the last word on this. we think -- >> is there any case that has ever ruled the way you want to see it? >> well, this is a precedent-setting case. by definition -- >> no. >> -- there isn't. but we have a lot of arguments that we make to show that we do have a good case. >> right. >> the judge recognized it -- >> if you lose, will he testify? >> he'll have to testify if we lose, of course.
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looking at the people in roger stone's orbit to see what they know before they decide to call roger stone to the stand. they want to get the information, corroborate the information that they may already have, and then eventually get to roger stone and put him on the stand and ask him what he knows and what contacts he really had. >> so they can show that there was some activity that would equate with collusion? >> well, i think they're -- right. i mean that's the purpose of the investigation is to look. it was an intelligence investigation to begin with, a foreign intelligence investigation to begin with, looking at interference with the election. and there was some discussions and public statements made by stone about his relationship with julian assange. >> right. >> and, again, he did say that was puffing. he did walk that back a bit. but the bottom line is, you know, these prosecutors are
going to verify that. >> okay. >> they're going to verify that information and then call him in. >> so one more thing on this, laura. go ahead. >> if i can just say, though, if he is a target of the investigation, he himself, and the goal is not to get to perhaps somebody more directly in with the campaign like donald trump, then they would never call him. they would be trying to get everyone around him to talk about the information they have. he himself may be the target. you got an indictment of those 12 gru agents where they talk about somebody who is an american citizen, who was in cahoot. >> and stone had said he didn't think that was him, but it was so obvious it was him. >> he admitted it was. >> on my show. thanks for watching laura coates. >> i think it's a little premature to label him a target. >> that would be rationale for not calling him. i get your point. but everything that could be speculated about, alleged about roger stone were true, what's the crime?
>> well, he cannot, as an american citizen, facilitate or solicit the help of a foreign national of any kind to try to influence the election. that is a part of collusion. that's an umbrella term that's often used, and the focus has always been on members of the trump campaign. but in reality, mueller's mandate is far more expansive. it also includes looking into things he discovers in the course of that campaign, of that collusion investigation. if he is somebody who solicited the help of a foreign national, that is a crime. >> you think stone could get stuck for that, mr. schultz? >> i don't know. we don't know what roger stone -- what communications he had as of yet. i mean that's clearly what they're trying to get at here by pulling these folks in that are in his orbit, to find out what he knew and what he said and the communications he had. >> next topic while i have you here. schultz, are you okay with rudy and jay sekulow having a radio show and co-hosting and beating up the probe and making their case? >> look, they have a job to do as lawyers, and this probe has been in the public domain, and they have to have a pulpit in order to defend their client. and their client is in the news
nobody is barring them from having their say. it's about what coates' phrase was, in this fashion. and when you are simultaneously bashing the probe, saying it's unsubstantiated, shouldn't stand, there are no arguments, it's unconstitutional, and asking the special counsel to accept your terms for an interview, how do you think those things go together? peanut butter and jelly or peanut butter and sardines? >> it depends whether the special counsel is caring about the court of public opinion in making determinations as to what this interview is going to look like. >> they're human beings, right, jim? >> that factors into all of it, and the court of public opinion matters to all the folks involved in this thing. >> well, to answer your question, it's peanut butter and sardines, chris. and the actual court of law has an interest in this as well because if you think about it, they are going to try to make some argument -- rudy giuliani and jay sekulow at some point, once mueller is frustrated by the absence of good faith negotiations and is forced at some point if he chooses to issue a subpoena, they're going to have to go before a court of law and not a court of public opinion and articulate that they in fact were negotiating in good faith, were not using terms like perjury trap as a pretextual reason for the president, the head of the executive branch, to thumb his nose at the subpoena power of a grand jury. and they're going to be faced with the commentary on that very
show, and the court of law is not going to be receptive. that's my hope as somebody who is a member of the court of law. >> i didn't play any sound from the radio interview -- >> there's been no allegation -- >> go ahead, jim. make your final point. >> there's been no allegation that the president's legal team is acting in bad faith in these negotiations. certainly not out of the special counsel's office. it's irresponsible to say it at this point in time. they've gone back and forth a number of times now with some conditions. they're narrowing the scope. that's clearly what the
president's legal team is looking to do, and mueller wants to ask as many questions as he can. so those two parties are going to continue to argue and negotiate over this for some time to come. >> all right. final point. laura coates, defend yourself. he said what you said is indefensible. >> it's not irresponsible. actually quite astute. here's the reason why. their comments that they're making on the radio and other mediums in the interest of their client in the court of public opinion are based on their statements that they are trying to avoid the so-called perjury trap. now, trying to evade a perjury trap, if you know as an officer of the court, which would suggest that every single person who goes into a court of law to answer questions either at trial or an investigation is somehow being nefariously enticed by somebody who is looking to administer justice. and so if that's their basis, that's not negotiating in good faith. and if that's their sole basis and the court hears that exclusively from the radio, then they would make that assertion. it's not irresponsible. frankly, it is inferred by the content of their own statements. >> i reserve judgment on the ruling until we see more facts of what the investigation is. but i will say this right now. they don't want to put the president in that room for one main reason, jim, and i don't have to tell you this because
you have experience with the president yourself. they are afraid of him freelancing and him answering questions in a way that goes beyond the scope of what he needed to answer and getting himself in trouble. and they won't be able to help him when he's looking at a federal officer. that is their main concern no matter what else they're arguing. we know that's what it is. and i didn't play any sound from the radio for one very self-serving but important reason. i want them to do it on this show, not without being tested. you need to be tested to get respect and legitimacy for your arguments. they're welcome here anytime. laura coates, jim schultz, on a friday night, thank you very much. >> thank you. the attorney general slamming sanctuary cities once again. but is his case legit? i have the facts and what figures, next.
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the federal government does. semantics, says sessions. if a city doesn't help or releases bad guys, that's bad enough. but is that a fair legal analysis? here are the facts. trump didn't start this fire. he's just blowing on it. both the bush and obama administrations basically deputized local law enforcement to help catch people in the country. so what happened? the cities kept getting sued for profiling, holding people too long while waiting for federal officials or getting them for the wrong reasons because they often didn't have the full case jacket, the information from the feds. and they kept losing cases and being fined and it got expensive. so what they did was start passing laws saying the federal government needs to do this job itself, okay? so those are the facts. then there's the administration's main policy
argument. this is about public safety. collecting immigrants who come here illegally is essential to crime-fighting. that's what jeff sessions says. >> this should be obvious, but if you want to reduce violent crime, then we have to get serious about illegal immigrant crime. >> why? what is his argument? illegal entrants are a significant aspect of crime overall. but that is wrong. even if you count all those who are caught for entering illegally, they are still not a significant part of our crime problem. proof. okay. first, a study found in march that violent crime actually falls more when immigrants are living in a community, especially if they are here illegally.
why? because people who are here illegally have a tendency to stay under the radar. it makes them less willing to commit crimes. that's the theory of the study. more proof. the cato institute, not a liberal place, right? they looked at texas, which ironically is where jeff sessions was making his argument today. and they found that people there illegally were 25% less likely to be convicted of homicide as people who were born here. why? well, again, two factors. the first one is that entering here illegally does not mean you are automatically a killer, okay? we keep hearing that from some of our friends and not friends on the right. they're selling it, but it's untrue. and, again, when you are here illegally, you want to hide from law enforcement. how do you hide most
effectively? by not committing crimes. so this is a reality that i'm not making up and isn't just owned by the cato institute. the white house chief of staff john kelly admitted this in april. >> the vast majority of the people that move illegally into the united states are not bad people. they're not criminals. they're not ms-13. >> if they're not, they're not, they're not, then why do we keep hearing it? do you know why? why do we hear that they sell drugs, they rape, they gang-bang, as if it were the rule and not the exception? because they're not gang bangers, but you know what this was? fear. selling fear works. it just happens to be fake fear in this situation. it is fear that drives support for harsh treatment and walls and other things that trump can deliver on and look good. that's sad. sadder still is that there is a real crime problem in this country that sessions could be spending a lot of energy on in this speech and otherwise. but that doesn't seem to be as important, and that leaves us with a question. why not? okay. we're going to take a break. when we come back, president trump wants to give another tax cut to himself, and this time he wants to bypass congress. our next guest is the man who helped trump secure the first round of tax cuts. marc short is here to make the case. stay with us.
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centerpiece of the party's message in the midterms. but not so much, at least at this point. why? and what is up with this latest cut that cuts out congress? perfect guest, trump's former legislative director marc short is here. welcome to "prime time." >> chris, thanks for having me on. >> it's good to have you. let's talk about this tax cut. first of all, my suggestion there in the introduction that the gop was supposed to go long and strong with this tax cut, but we haven't been hearing much about it. is that because you know that it doesn't help the same people that put the president in office as much as it helps people like me? >> oh, no, i don't think that's the case, chris. i think if you look at the overall tax benefits of the $1.7 trillion estimated, $1.1 million is going to individuals. $600 million for companies and businesses. so i think the reality is that
people across the country are benefiting from it. unemployment's at an all-time low. unemployment for particularly african-american and hispanic-americans is at an all-time low. estimates say for a family of four earning $70,000, they get a tax benefit of over $2,000. so, no, i think the vast majority of americans are benefiting from the tax relief plan. >> but it's about which people. first of all, unemployment, very low. underemployment, not as low. a more specific problem. what kinds of jobs? how many hours? what is the pay? wages are not moving the way we need them to. people in the middle class have not grown in any way near to what those in the top 1% have. 80-plus cents of every dollar of this tax cut go to the wealthy, not the people who put trump in office. defend. >> chris, i think that the reality again is that those that are taxpayers across the country, the ones benefiting, as i just said, a family of four that is earning $07,000 is getting a $2,500 tax break. >> some. >> if you're talking about families or individuals that are
earning exceedingly higher than that, then pro-rating that, of course there's going to get a higher tax benefit than -- >> why of course? you called it a middle class tax cut. doesn't that mean -- >> it's talking about a percentage. if you're a family of four and you're earning $72,000, that $2,500 is pretty significant to you. >> i like that argument. it's a shaming argument that, hey, you're saying $2,500 is like chicken scratch, but it's not when you make 70. not on my watch, my friend. what i'm saying is if it's a middle class tax cut, then give me the 80 cents of every dollar as a middle class family and not the 20 that you're giving. if you're going to call it middle class, take care of them the most. you didn't. >> no, that's not true, chris. >> 80 cents. that's what the cbo scored it. >> i can walk through this for you again. you're distorting the analysis. the reality is the top 1% or 2% pay roughly 40% of the taxes in america. so naturally if you're going to look at it that way, then you're going to say that they're going to get a higher percentage.
but if you're looking at what the actual income is for an individual in middle income, then they're getting a larger percent -- >> not everybody who makes 70 grand got that cut. there are a lot of different demographic figures that went into it. but if you make a lot of money, you did. what they're trying to do now with the capital gains cut going around congress, but, again, 80 plus cents of every dollar of that cut is going to go to the 1%. i thought you wanted to help the middle class the most. then help them the most. don't help me. >> chris, the middle class is the one that's benefiting from this -- >> not the most. >> they're the one that got the larger percentage in the tax rate from what they were paying to what they're paying now. they're also the ones benefiting the most from the child tax credit because this is a much more significant deduction for them that they're receiving from the tax plan. so, yes, the middle class is the one that's benefitting from this tax plan, significantly so. it's why you're seeing such tremendous economic growth in our country, why you're seeing gdp at 4.1%.
i know you want to talk about what it was during the obama years, which was 1.8% averaged across those eight years. so, yes, the economy is growing because of that tax plan, and those that are benefiting from it are the middle class. >> there are a lot of different reasons the economy could be growing, but i'll give you that point for the sake of argument that there's no question right now the economy is growing in robust fashion, and we'll debate why as we get closer to the elections. let me ask you something else while i have you here. so you were on the inside with trump. when he would bash the media, what did you say to him about it? when he would attack the media, when he would attack situations and lie about them, who around him said -- because you were in the room, so i want to know. did anybody around him say, you know, that's not true by the way? >> chris, i'm not sure that the president was looking for my opinion about the way he handles his interactions with the media. i think that by and large you see that roughly 90-plus percent of the coverage of the president has been negative, and i think he's anxious to find a day when he actually gets a fair shake in the mainstream media. >> it's about what he says and
what he does, right? it's not like you have to cherry pick. i mean that's the point. it's just weird, marc. you're there. he's saying all these things. you don't say anything. but then you came and join the enemy. you say nothing then, but now you're with us. why? we're glad to have you by the way. glad to have you. >> i can tell you are. i appreciate the invitation to be on your network. i'm excited to be able to provide a perspective that perhaps your network was missing as far as advocating for the trump administration policies. so i think that will be hopefully beneficial to your viewers to get a different side of the conversation as well. >> 100%. but i want the perspective of somebody who was in that room. so you're saying that people who were there felt that it was so unfair to him, that it was okay for him to attack the coverage. and if he tells the truth, he tells the truth. if he doesn't -- >> chris, you've heard me say previous will i was asked this question on a different network, i said the free and fair press is a cornerstone of democracy. it's what's essential to
democracy. i think you'll hear me protect the right and freedom of press every time you ask me that question. so, yeah, i think there are plenty of us who believe the press is not the enemy of the state or enemy of the people. but at the same time, i do think the president has had an unfair representation in the media in the coverage that he's received, and i don't think there's any doubt about that. >> i think you can believe both of those things at the same time obviously, and the president doesn't. that's why i asked you about it because you know what? your perspective on economics but also the mind set and the tactics of the president are going to be invaluable to the office -- to the audience, and that's why i'm happy to have you on the show. you are welcome back again anytime. >> thanks, chris. >> marc short, appreciate it. welcome to the team. all right. so turns out we have problems with north korea. president trump said the threat was gone, but the only thing that is gone for sure seems to be any positive momentum. so the question becomes why? do these things just generally go this way, or did we take the wrong approach? phil mudd says he can feed your mind on this in just three
points. feed your mind. that's what i meant, phil. don't make that face. it made sense. next. so the kim regime in north
so the kim regime in north korea is now calling american proposals to give up its nuclear weapons gangster-like. that's not good. let's discuss it with cnn counterterrorism analyst phil mudd who is here. you say you can take care of this, clarify in three points, and they go to pace, posture, and progress. let's start with pace. is this the way it usually goes, that it seems ugly early? >> no way. look, you got to go into this with an understanding of what your adversary wants. in this case we went in misunderstanding our adversary. we go in with what we call a rational actor, model, chris. that is he can't feed his own people. he must be willing to give up nukes so we can relieve sanctions and he can feed his own people. kim is sitting there saying, if they want this so bad, they must be willing to give me something up front, and we of course said no. we both went in with a common problem. we misunderstood our adversary. >> all right. that takes us to how we went in, posture. they had the summit. was that the right move?
>> i believe it was the right move to figure out after years of mistakes, after years of misunderstandings what our adversary thought about. we should have walked out and said, okay, now we understand they may not be willing to move on denuclearization. what's the next step? we haven't gotten there yet. >> the way they came out of summit and what the president said, is that the right move? >> of course not. you go into this saying the primary thing the north koreans want is to protect the securiy of a regime for a dictator. the primary thing we want is to get nuclear weapons off the table and to tell the north koreans the response if you take nuclear weapons off the table is sanctions relief. if you go into that misunderstanding what your adversary wants, you don't know what the goal is, you never score a goal. >> how do you make progress in this? >> i hate to tell you this, but we got to make two assumptions that nobody's going to like. number one, are we going to show some leg going in. are we going to tell them we'll
relieve some sanctions before your denuclearize? nobody here wants to do that. there are other things on the table here. the second thing are we going to give them security assurances of north korea if they don't move on nukes. i don't think we'll do that. >> did you just say show some leg? >> what you do every time we go out for beers. you show me leg. >> phil mudd, as your friend, stay off the drugs. white power protests this weekend. it is the one-year anniversary of that deadly horror show. president trump says the protesters should be called out and forced to stop what they're doing. here's the problem. he's not talking about the white supremacists. he's talking about the nfl players. why? closing argument next. ♪ don't stop me now. ♪ if you want to ♪ have a good time. ♪ just give me a call. ♪ don't. stop. me. now. ♪ (because i'm having a good time.) ♪ don't. stop. me. now. ♪ (yes i'm having a good time.)
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closing argument. the nfl preseason kicked off last night -- >> this is cnn breaking news. >> all right. breaking news. this is just coming in to us here at cnn. alaska airlines says they are investigating the unauthorized takeoff of one of its partner's planes at seattle's main airport friday evening. that's according to a tweet from the airline. now it crashed in pierce county not far from the airport. these are the pictures we can bring you at this stage. of course, it is nighttime in washington state, just about 10:00 p.m. local. the plane was reportedly from horizon air. it was a q400. this is a very popular commuter aircraft, which seats around 75 people on a normal flight. so not a small plane. cnn law enforcement analyst josh campbell joins us on the film from coronado island in california. josh, we don't know. we don't have a whole lot of details at this stage, but just tell me your first reaction when you hear the news that a plane has somehow been taken control
of and that somebody takes off an an international airport? >> obviously we have a very serious security breach here. there will be two aspects that we have to look at and analyze, the first being the access. so the person got access to the aircraft, was able to take off, which there are obviously a number of steps that are involved there. this isn't just somebody who wanders on to an airplane and has the wherewithal and knowledge to get it off the ground that is something to look at. what type of access did this person half. the second question, were there any passengers obviously? that would escalate things greatly there are a lot of details we don't have right now as far as the aircraft itself. was it empty? was this person working on the eight? so many questions we have. that's something we're going drill down on. the second issue here becomes even more serious, and that is what were the circumstances here that actually led to the grounding? was this something that was
accidental, that the person was operating the aircraft and either didn't have the knowledge to actually bring to it a safe landing, or was this something that was done internally, either by the pilot or by military folks in the area? there were a lot of unconfirmed reports right now. there have been a lot of videos on social media where we saw what looked to be a military aircraft that was trailing this commercial aircraft. so again, there are a lot of questions we don't know the answers to. was this an aircraft that was brought down by the military? was this something that was brought down accidentally? was it an aircraft that ran out of fuel. so many questions that we don't have right now. those are the two key issues. first of all, the access and what actually led to the pictures we're seeing right now on the screen. this appears to be an inferno where the aircraft has actually crashed. >> so, again, we don't have a whole lot of information right now. we're going to try to fill these in and bring these to our viewers as soon as we have them. you're telling me -- no, let me
first get to this. what would protocol be in a situation like this. you mentioned possible military jets that were scrambled. we can't confirm whether or not that was the case. what would protocol be? >> there are two issues. how the airplane gets off the ground. this would be someone who was familiar with an aircraft. and we all know based on history and a lot of the issues we've seen, it's easier to take off an aircraft than it is to bring one to a safe landing. if this is someone who had a grievance, we don't know what the motivation. but it would have been a lot easier to take off the aircraft with minimal knowledge of flight than it would be to take it to a safe conclusion. the second being a lot of unconfirmed reports. we're going on based on what we see as far as some of the social media reports of what appears to be a military jet that is
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appoint him. if he's a superior officer, the senate has to confirm him. and he's not really being supervised closely by rosenstein. he's basically given free rein. he's indicting russian foreign agents. >> he has a specific mandate. rosenstein reviews it. we've seen that decisions have been made to parse out different things that mueller started looking at and then went to the southern district so that, you know, there's been a judiciousness in terms of what he can do. i don't see why you think that's a clear question. >> well, no. it is because in terms of the supervision, rod rosenstein basically does not effectively control the actions -- >> why not? >> well, because you see that there has been no limits on rosenstein's -- on mueller's jurisdiction and authority. he is now going after manafort, which is -- has nothing to do with the russian investigation. >> but in the mandate, it says that things that arise from it. >> sure. and it can go as far as you want
on that. but we're still challenging whether or not he can lawfully exercise those powers under the constitution. >> what i'm saying is the judge ruled on this, and you're saying you're not satisfied with the ruling even though -- >> yes. >> -- this easily be dispensed with, and mr. miller could go on with his life if he really has nothing to offer up. this seems like a potential distraction of process. >> it's not a -- the constitution is never a distraction, chris. these are important principles. >> right. but you're assuming it's unclear under the constitution. this judge says it is not. >> well, that's one judge. you have the court of appeals. you have the supreme court. chris, remember in morrison versus olson, you had that case in terms of the independent counsel where the district judge ruled he was unconstitutional, and then by the way, they were held in contempt of court too. >> right, but there was -- but you remember what the issue was in that case, right? it's not the same one that you're bringing. >> it's still the same issue as
whether or not the special -- in that case, the independent counsel satisfied the separation of powers in the appointment clause. they ultimately ruled that they did, but in morrison, justice scalia dissented and that decision by the way is basically going to be overruled, if it already has been. many jurists including justice elena kagan says that justice scalia was right on point on this. so that decision -- >> but you had a majority decision that went against what you're arguing right now. >> no, not on point because we had several other arguments that were not addressed in morrison and that dealt with a different issue of whether the three-judge court can be the appointing power. so it is a very weak precedent at best, and the supreme court has the last word on this. we think -- >> is there any case that has ever ruled the way you want to see it? >> well, this is a precedent-setting case. by definition -- >> no. >> -- there isn't. but we have a lot of arguments that we make to show that we do
have a good case. >> right. >> the judge recognized it -- >> if you lose, will he testify? >> he'll have to testify if we lose, of course. >> so he will not hold out because he's libertarian. maybe he would just hold out on principle. >> no, no, no. he's been cooperating with the special prosecutor -- special counsel in this case. so he's not going to be a recalcitrant witness. we're just standing on principle, chris. this is the constitution that's involved and that's what our main interest is. >> both are true. he is a recalcitrant witness, but you're saying it's because of principle. >> he won't testify. >> that's by definition recalcitra recalcitrant. >> usually recalcitrant is i'm not testifying for no good reason, where i just don't want to talk to you. >> that's debatable because -- [ overlapping voices ] >> the court stayed the contempt by the way, and the case law is that if you raise a good issue, a constitutional issue, the judge usually stays that case. >> true. fair point. >> okay. >> fair point.
it's friday night, i'll let you end on that one. >> thank you. >> counselor, thank you for coming on. as we learn more about this case, do me a favor. please come back. all right? good to have him on the show. so one of the other roger stone connections is the manhattan madam. she has a name. it's kristin davis. she testified today before the mueller grand jury. she did not have this grand constitutional case that mr. miller has. what does it mean that they brought in the manhattan madam? we also have the case of the curious new radio duo of rudy and jay, trump's lawyers. we take on both in cuomo's court, next. salads should look like this. crisp leaves of lettuce. freshly made dressing. clean food that looks this good.
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♪ stop the things you do no card? no problem. life, lived serena's way. chase, make more of what's yours. so why would mueller call the manhattan madam, pause -- i mean to testify about roger stone? and why are the president's lawyers on the radio hosting a show running down the probe? is that going to help them with mueller? let's bring in laura coats and jim schultz for cuomo's court. laura coates, let's start with the manhattan madam. why? >> well, because she has a professional relationship with roger stone, who by his own admissions, his own statements, has alluded to his own relationship with julian assange, who has infamously now posted a lot of the e-mails that were hacked by russians to the 2016 election. so they're trying to figure out what it is she knows about that
relationship are that person? >> why would she know anything? >> because she served add a clerical -- who worked with him as scheduling and calendar and issues around that. perhaps there is something to be had about the corroboration of sam nunberg who said that he told him he was talking to julian assange, was with him at different points in time. so perhaps she could give him information about that particular aspect of it. >> but then stone said he was just puffing when he was talking to nunberg, and nunberg says that could be true. so how do you see the decision to have kristin davis on the stand? >> i see the decision as one that's a comprehensive investigation to not leave any stone -- forgive the pun -- unturned because you have -- >> a good pun by the way. >> you have to have good corroboration about things like that. you can't take anybody's word if credibility is a factor here. >> schultz, let's come in on this. the idea is how tenuous are you going to get? you haven't called stone. if you want to know, call stone. but they're calling people
around him. how far away from somebody, how small a role can somebody play in someone's life and still get called before a grand jury? >> look, they are clearly looking at the people in roger stone's orbit to see what they know before they decide to call roger stone to the stand. they want to get the information, corroborate the information that they may already have, and then eventually get to roger stone and put him on the stand and ask him what he knows and what contacts he really had. >> so they can show that there was some activity that would equate with collusion? >> well, i think they're -- right. i mean that's the purpose of the investigation is to look. it was an intelligence investigation to begin with, a foreign intelligence investigation to begin with, looking at interference with the election. and there was some discussions and public statements made by stone about his relationship with julian assange. >> right. >> and, again, he did say that was puffing.
he did walk that back a bit. but the bottom line is, you know, these prosecutors are going to verify that. >> okay. >> they're going to verify that information and then call him in. >> so one more thing on this, laura. go ahead. >> if i can just say, though, if he is a target of the investigation, he himself, and the goal is not to get to perhaps somebody more directly in with the campaign like donald trump, then they would never call him. they would be trying to get everyone around him to talk about the information they have. he himself may be the target. you got an indictment of those 12 gru agents where they talk about somebody who is an american citizen, who was in cahoot. >> and stone had said he didn't think that was him, but it was so obvious it was him. >> he admitted it was. >> on my show. thanks for watching laura coats. >> i think it's a little premature to label him a target. >> that would be rationale for not calling him. i get your point.
but everything that could be speculated about, alleged about roger stone were true, what's the crime? >> well, he cannot, as an american citizen, facilitate or solicit the help of a foreign national of any kind to try to influence the election. that is a part of collusion. that's an umbrella term that's often used, and the focus has always been on members of the trump campaign. but in reality, mueller's mandate is far more expansive. it also includes looking into things he discovers in the course of that campaign, of that collusion investigation. if he is somebody who solicited the help of a foreign national, that is a crime. >> you think stone could get stuck for that, mr. schultz? >> i don't know. we don't know what roger stone -- what communications he had as of yet. i mean that's clearly what they're trying to get at here by pulling these folks in that are in his orbit, to find out what he knew and what he said and the communications he had. >> next topic while i have you here. schultz, are you okay with rudy and jay sekulow having a radio
show and co-hosting and beating up the probe and making their case? >> look, they have a job to do as lawyers, and this probe has been in the public domain, and they have to have a pulpit in order to defend their client. and their client is in the news day in and day out talking about the probe, criticizing the probe. this is an opportunity for them as the lawyers to speak on his behalf, as his lawyer, and make their arguments in public. and maybe that prevents the president from going out and doing it himself. >> coates? >> well, there's a court of public opinion, and then there's the kangaroo court with the peanut gallery. they are now in the latter. it is to me ridiculous that two private attorneys on behalf of the president of the united states, not on behalf of the office of the white house counsel, are making their claims over the airwaves in this fashion. and they, i'm sure, will at some point will try to articulate the attorney-client privilege about different things they've talked to him about. they're essentially throwing spaghetti against the wall and hoping one will stick, and they
know full well this is an argument that's going to lead to a greater discussion perhaps if impeachment is ever able as an opportunity. but in my mind as a lawyer, an officer of the court, i think it's pretty unconscionable that they're going to use this medium. it really undermines the credibility of their client and demonstrates they have no strategy other than a focus group using the media and the people who listen to sean hannity's show. >> coates -- >> so day in and day out, you know, the folks that are on the other side of this, the democrats from the house and the senate, the folks that want to see donald trump fail, day in and day out are pontificating about this investigation, making arguments and throwing statements out -- >> nobody is saying they shouldn't be in the media. >> there needs to be someone telling the president's side of the story. >> look, they're on tv all the time. i invite them on here. they take other invitations. they go on. they talk whenever they want. nobody is barring them from having their say.
it's about what coates' phrase was, in this fashion. and when you are simultaneously bashing the probe, saying it's unsubstantiated, shouldn't stand, there are no arguments, it's unconstitutional, and asking the special counsel to accept your terms for an interview, how do you think those things go together? peanut butter and jelly or peanut butter and sardines? >> it depends whether the special counsel is caring about the court of public opinion in making determinations as to what this interview is going to look like. >> they're human beings, right, jim? >> that factors into all of it, and the court of public opinion matters to all the folks involved in this thing. >> well, to answer your question, it's peanut butter and sardines, chris. and the actual court of law has an interest in this as well because if you think about it, they are going to try to make some argument -- rudy giuliani and jay sekulow at some point, once mueller is frustrated by the absence of good faith negotiations and is forced at some point if he chooses to issue a subpoena, they're going
to have to go before a court of law and not a court of public opinion and articulate that they in fact were negotiating in good faith, were not using terms like perjury trap as a pretextual reason for the president, the head of the executive branch, to thumb his nose at the subpoena power of a grand jury. and they're going to be faced with the commentary on that very show, and the court of law is not going to be receptive. that's my hope as somebody who is a member of the court of law. >> i didn't play any sound from the radio interview -- >> there's been no allegation -- >> go ahead, jim. make your final point. >> there's been no allegation that the president's legal team is acting in bad faith in these negotiations. certainly not out of the special counsel's office. it's irresponsible to say it at this point in time. they've gone back and forth a number of times now with some conditions. they're narrowing the scope. that's clearly what the president's legal team is looking to do, and mueller wants to ask as many questions as he can. so those two parties are going to continue to argue and negotiate over this for some time to come.
>> all right. final point. laura coates, defend yourself. he said what you said is indefensible. >> it's not irresponsible. actually quite astute. here's the reason why. their comments that they're making on the radio and other mediums in the interest of their client in the court of public opinion are based on their statements that they are trying to avoid the so-called perjury trap. now, trying to evade a perjury trap, if you know as an officer of the court, which would suggest that every single person who goes into a court of law to answer questions either at trial or an investigation is somehow being nefariously enticed by somebody who is looking to administer justice. and so if that's their basis, that's not negotiating in good faith. and if that's their sole basis and the court hears that exclusively from the radio, then they would make that assertion. it's not irresponsible. frankly, it is inferred by the content of their own statements. >> i reserve judgment on the ruling until we see more facts of what the investigation is. but i will say this right now. they don't want to put the president in that room for one main reason, jim, and i don't have to tell you this because
you have experience with the president yourself. they are afraid of him freelancing and him answering questions in a way that goes beyond the scope of what he needed to answer and getting himself in trouble. and they won't be able to help him when he's looking at a federal officer. that is their main concern no matter what else they're arguing. we know that's what it is. and i didn't play any sound from the radio for one very self-serving but important reason. i want them to do it on this show, not without being tested. you need to be tested to get respect and legitimacy for your arguments. they're welcome here anytime. laura coates, jim schultz, on a friday night, thank you very much. >> thank you. the attorney general slamming sanctuary cities once again. but is his case legit? i have the facts and what figures, next.
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passing laws saying the federal government needs to do this job itself, okay? so those are the facts. then there's the administration's main policy argument. this is about public safety, collecting immigrants who come here illegally is essential to crime-fighting. that's what jeff sessions says. >> this should be obvious, but if you want to reduce violent crime, then we have to get serious about illegal immigrant crime. >> why? what is his argument? illegal entrants are a significant aspect of crime overall. but that is wrong. even if you count all those who are caught for entering illegally, they are still not a significant part of our crime problem. proof. okay. first, a study found in march that violent crime actually falls more when immigrants are living in a community,
especially if they are here illegally. why? because people who are here illegally have a tendency to stay under the radar. it makes them less willing to commit crimes. that's the theory of the study. more proof. the kato institute, not a liberal place, right? they looked at texas, which ironically is where jeff sessions was making his argument today. and they found that people there legally were 25% less likely to be convicted of homicide as people who were born here. why? well, again, two factors. the first one is that entering here illegally does not mean you are automatically a killer, okay? we keep hearing that from some of our friends and not friends on the right. they're selling it, but it's untrue. and, again, when you are here illegally, you want to hide from law enforcement. how do you hide most effectively? by not committing crimes. so this is a reality that i'm not making up and isn't just
owned by the cato institute. the white house chief of staff john kelly admitted this in april. >> the vast majority of the people that move illegally into the united states are not bad people. they're not criminals. they're not ms-13. >> if they're not, they're not, they're not, then why do we keep hearing it? do you know why? why do we hear that they sell drugs, they rape, they gang-bang, as if it were the rule and not the exception? because they're not gang bangers, but you know what this was? fear. selling fear works. it just happens to be fake fear in this situation. it is fear that drives support for harsh treatment and walls and other things that trump can deliver on and look good. that's sad. sadder still is that there is a real crime problem in this country that sessions could be spending a lot of energy on in this speech and otherwise. but that doesn't seem to be as important, and that leaves us with a question. why not? okay. we're going to take a break. when we come back, president
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so we got the big tax cut. it wasn't really tax reform, but the cut was supposed to be the centerpiece of the party's message in the midterms. but not so much, at least at this point. why? and what is up with this latest cut that cuts out congress? perfect guest, trump's former legislative director marc short is here. welcome to "prime time." >> chris, thanks for having me on. >> it's good to have you. let's talk about this tax cut. first of all, my suggestion there in the introduction that the gop was supposed to go long and strong with this tax cut, but we haven't been hearing much about it. is that because you know that it doesn't help the same people that put the president in office as much as it helps people like me? >> oh, no, i don't think that's the case, chris. i think if you look at the overall tax benefits of the
$1.7 trillion estimated, $1.1 million is going to individuals. $600 million for companies and businesses. so i think the reality is that people across the country are benefiting from it. unemployment's at an all-time low. unemployment for particularly african-american and hispanic-americans is at an all-time low. estimates say for a family of four earning $70,000, they get a tax benefit of over $2,000. so, no, i think the vast majority of americans are benefiting from the tax relief plan. >> but it's about which people. first of all, unemployment, very low. underemployment, not as low. a more specific problem. what kinds of jobs? how many hours? what is the pay? wages are not moving the way we need them to. people in the middle class have not grown in any way near to what those in the top 1% have. 80-plus cents of every dollar of this tax cut go to the wealthy, not the people who put trump in office. defend. >> chris, i think that the reality again is that those that are taxpayers across the
country, the ones benefiting, as i just said, a family of four that is earning $07,000 is getting a $2,500 tax break. >> some. >> if you're talking about families or individuals that are earning exceedingly higher than that, then pro-rating that, of course there's going to get a higher tax benefit than -- >> why of course? you called it a middle class tax cut. doesn't that mean -- >> it's talking about a percentage. if you're a family of four and you're earning $72,000, that $2,500 is pretty significant to you. >> i like that argument. it's a shaming argument that, hey, you're saying $2,500 is like chicken scratch, but it's not when you make 70. not on my watch, my friend. what i'm saying is if it's a middle class tax cut, then give me the 80 cents of every dollar as a middle class family and not the 20 that you're giving. if you're going to call it middle class, take care of them the most. you didn't. >> no, that's not true, chris. >> 80 cents. that's what the cbo scored it. >> i can walk through this for you again.
you're distorting the analysis. the reality is the top 1% or 2% pay roughly 40% of the taxes in america. so naturally if you're going to look at it that way, then you're going to say that they're going to get a higher percentage. but if you're looking at what the actual income is for an individual in middle income, then they're getting a larger percent -- >> not everybody who makes 70 grand got that cut. there are a lot of different demographic figures that went into it. but if you make a lot of money, you did. what they're trying to do now with the capital gains cut going around congress, but, again, 80 plus cents of every dollar of that cut is going to go to the 1%. i thought you wanted to help the middle class the most. then help them the most. don't help me. >> chris, the middle class is the bun that's benefiting -- >> not the most. >> they're the one that got the larger percentage in the tax rate from what they were pay tock what they're paying now. they're also the ones benefiting from the most from the child tax credit because this is a much more significant deduction for
them that they're receiving from the tax plan. so, yes, the middle class is the one that's benefitting from this tax plan, significantly so. it's why you're seeing such tremendous economic growth in our country, why you're seeing gdp at 4.1%. i know you want to talk about what it was in the obama years -- so, yes, the economy is growing from that tax plan, and those benefiting are the middle class. >> there are a lot of different reasons the economy could be growing, but i'll give you that point for the sake of argument that there's no question right now the economy is agreeing in robust fashion, and we'll debate why as we get closer to the elections. let me ask you something else while i have you here. so you were on the inside with trump. when he would bash the media, what did you say to him about it? when he would attack the media, when he would attack situations and lie about them, who around him said -- because you were in the room, so i want to know. did anybody around him say, you know, that's not true by the way? >> chris, i'm not sure that the
president was looking for my opinion about the way he handles his interactions with the media. i think that by and large you see that roughly 90-plus percent of the coverage of the president has been negative, and i think he's anxious to find a day when he actually gets a fair shake in the mainstream media. >> it's about what he says and what he does, right? it's not like you have to cherry pick. i mean that's the point. it's just weird, marc. you're there. he's saying all these things. you don't say anything. but then you came and join the enemy. you say nothing then, but now you're with us. why? we're glad to have you by the way. glad to have you. >> i can tell you are. i appreciate the invitation to be on your network. i'm excited to be able to provide a perspective that perhaps your network was missing as far as advocating for the trump administration policies. so i think that will be hopefully beneficial to your viewers to get a different side of the conversation as well. >> 100%. but i want the perspective of somebody who was in that room. so you're saying that people who were there felt that it was so unfair to him, that it was okay
for him to attack the coverage. and if he tells the truth, he tells the truth. if he doesn't -- >> chris, you've heard me say previous will i was asked this question on a different network, i said the free and fair press is a cornerstone of democracy. it's what's essential to democracy. i think you'll hear me protect the right and freedom of press question.e you ask me that so, yeah, i think there are plenty of us who believe the press is not the enemy of the state or enemy of the people. but at the same time, i do think the president has had an unfair representation in the media in the coverage that he's received, and i don't think there's any doubt about that. >> i think you can believe both of those things at the same time obviously, and the president doesn't. that's why i asked you about it because you know what? your perspective on economics but also the mind set and the tactics of the president are going to be invaluable to the office. -- to the audience, and that's why i'm happy to have you on the show. you are welcome back again anytime. >> thanks, chris. >> marc short, appreciate it. welcome to the team. all right. so turns out we have problems
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we can take care of this beautiful place that i grew up in. ♪ so the kim regime in north korea is now calling american proposals to give up its nuclear weapons gangster-like. that's not good. let's discuss it with cnn counterterrorism analyst phil mudd who is here. you say you can take care of this, clarify in three points, and they go to pace, posture, and progress. let's start with pace. is this the way it usually goes, that it seems ugly early? >> no way. look, you got to go into this with an understanding of what your adversary wants. in this case we went in misunderstanding our adversary. we go in with what we call a rational actor, model, chris. that is he can't feed his own people. he must be willing to give up nukes so we can relieve sanctions and he can feed his own people. kim is sitting there saying, if they want this so bad, they must
be willing to give me something up front, and we of course said no. we both went in with a common problem. we misunderstood our adversary. >> all right. that takes us to how we went in, posture. they had the summit. was that the right move? >> i believe it was the right move to figure out after years of mistakes, after years of misunderstandings what we should are walked out and said we understand they may not be willing to move on denuclearization. what's the next step? we haven't gotten there yet. >> the way they came out of summit and what the president said, is that the right move? >> of course not. you go into this saying the primary thing the north koreans want is to pretect the regime of a dictator. we wapts nt to get nuclear weap off the table. if you take them off the table, if you go into that misunderstanding what your add v -- adversary wants.
you don't core a goal. >> progress. how do you make progress? >> we got to make two assumptions that nobody's going to like. number one, are we going to show some leg going in. are we going to tell them we'll leave sanctions before you denud denuclearize. the second thing are we going to give them security assurances about the future of north korea. i don't think we'll do that. >> did you just say show some leg? >> what we do every time ke we out for beers. s >> as your friend, stay off the drugs. it's the one year anniversary of that deadly w horror show. president trump says the proes t -- protesters should be called
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and the proudly for your national anthem or be issues pep -- suspended without pie. why is trump doing this? so many protesting players, white and black have said this isn't about disrespecting the flag. he knows that. he doesn't seem to care. why? this works with the part of his base. how do we know? he said it. cowboys owner jeffrey jones gave sworn testimony that trump told him, quote, this is a very winning strong issue for me. tell everybody you can't win this one. this one lifts me. how does this lift anyone? it's okay if it divides people and stokes prejudices. that's winning? this is like a domestic foreim, targeting a minority. in this case, mostly black players. once again he is suggesting they
are stupid by saying they're unable to define why they protest. what's what he says. here is another thing. he knows that isn't true. he said it. >> i'm going to ask all of those people to recommend to me, because that's what they're protesting, people that they think were unphysical therapily treated by the justices and i understand that. >> if he understands, the question is does he really care? for, the trump administration is working on prison reform. that could make a really positive difference for minority communities. we have to see what happens. if he does, that's a point for. point against, he takes on the nfl protest and ignores the trash that's heading to charlottes which i wiville to m deadly racism by having another rally. the president says nothing. he picks on the nfl players who are part of one of the most
unifying aspects and ignores the ugliest division. the president said he's the least racist person you know. the president says he's all about uniting the country. we only know what you show . if you're not racist then attack the racists instead of targeting most lly black protestesters an suggesting they are dumb especially after the shameful moment about charlottesville a year ago. he should not ignore the anniversary, you embrace it. you bring people together in america in the spirit of what is most american, rejecting intolerance and bigotry. go after the nazis peddling hate, not our sports hero who is are protesting injustice. that way, the president gets his