that was dr. lance on this program last night. what happens to those trump believers when the 31 days of august come and go and joe biden is still president while donald trump is still cheating at golf? do they become more enraged and more psychotic? the conservative national review reports today, quote, donald trump does indeed believe that he quite genuinely along with senators david purdue and martha mcsally will be reinstated after audits have been completed. the scale of trump as delusion is quite startling. and what about the scale of delusion in the trump true believers, who might number in the millions? kurt anderson chronicles collective american delusions in his best selling book fantasyland . joining us now, kurt anderson.