the un security council endorsed a ceasefire proposal for gaza on monday. it is the first time the council has passed a resolution demanding a stop in fighting, after eight months of war. the resolution urges both hamas and israel to fully and quickly implement the three—phase plan. 1a countries voted in favour, and russia abstained. reactions to the resolution between the two parties have been mixed. hamas says it welcomes the endorsement, and that it's ready to work with mediators. a senior israeli diplomat said her country would continue to pursue its objectives. us ambassador to the un linda thomas—greenfield says the resolution shows hamas that the international community is united. colleagues, today this council sent a clear message to hamas. "accept the ceasefire deal on the table." israel has already agreed to this deal and the fighting could stop today, if hamas would do the same. i repeat, the fighting could stop today. the bbc�*s nada tawfik has more from new york. and what we heard from the united states was that this was the best possible way to secure a durable end to the war, saying that it really is a deal that was israel's initiative, it outlined three phases that they said would eventually, you know, lead to the complete withdrawal of israeli forces, the release of all hostages, in exchange for palestinian prisoners, major reconstruction of gaza, eventually. but, i think, from different members, you heard different positions. you know, while the united states says this resolution passing means that the international community is united, and that this will help put pressure on hamas to accept the deal, you know, algeria said they still had some reservations about the text, but supported it, because they felt it wanted to give diplomacy a chance, wanted to give a glimmer of hope to palestinians. but from russia and china, a lot more scepticism. you know, russia said it didn't want to block this resolution, because the arab group of nations supported it, but it questioned whether israel had really accepted the deal, as the resolution states, and they pointed to a number of statements by israeli officials, including prime minister benjamin netanyahu, that they will continue the war until hamas is defeated. china, as well, questioned if, you know, parties will actually implement these three phases of presidentjoe biden�*s proposed deal, and china noting that the other security council resolutions that have been passed weren't implemented, including a permanent ceasefire, including getting more aid in at scale into gaza, questioning, you know, whether this will have a tangible impact on the ground. so i think it remains to be seen if this resolution will, in fact, be different than the other ones. meanwhile, us secretary of state antony blinken is visiting the middle east, for the eighth time since the october 7th attacks. secretary blinken is fiercely advocating for the ceasefire deal, outlined by president biden ten days ago. mr blinken met with egyptian president abdel fattah al—sisi, before heading tojerusalem for talks with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. a state department spokesman said secretary blinken assured mr netanyahu that the proposal would "unlock the possibility" of calm along israel's northern border. our state department correspondent tom bateman is travelling with the secretary, and has more from jerusalem. publicly, we're seeing the americans come here and try to press arab leaders to put pressure on hamas to accept this. but hamas is going to want, and basically wants, you know, a far clearer guarantee that this would mean the end of the war and a full israeli withdrawal from gaza. clearly, they don't feel like they've got that yet, because we're not seeing a formal response from them, or the resumption of these indirect negotiations. but there is something else going on beneath the surface and this isn't part of the public presentation, but what mr blinken is trying to do is bind the israelis into this and the israeli leadership, because although mr netanyahu has said that his war cabinet has authorised the deal, we haven't heard unequivocal support from him, and crucially, in his wider cabinet, that fractious cabinet, including far—right ministers, some of those have outright rejected this proposal already, and some of those have said they would quit the coalition, precipitate its collapse, if this proposal were to go ahead. so that puts pressure on mr netanyahu, potentially, to pull back from it all. so i think the white house is trying to bounce the two sides into making progress. that is why mr blinken is here. there are also some strong motivations, really, for the israeli leadership, to some extent the top echelons of hamas, to play for a bit more time here, but among those who are trying to rush this through, the white house, president biden, desperately seeking an agreement, before the us presidential election campaign gets under way proper later in this year. but so far, here from the region, few signs of any imminent breakthrough. for more on the resolution in the midst of the secretary's visit, i spoke to james jeffrey, former us ambassador to turkey and iraq, and chair of the wilson center's middle east program. ambassador, i want to start with the un security council adopting this resolution that welcomes this 3—phase ceasefire agreement that was outlined by president biden on may 31. do you think israel is going to accept this ceasefire? yes, in the sense _ accept this ceasefire? yes, in the sense that _ accept this ceasefire? yes, in the sense that israel, - accept this ceasefire? yes, in the sense that israel, first. accept this ceasefire? yes, in the sense that israel, first of| the sense that israel, first of all, it is an israeli proposal, it is a proposal that the president, basically, underlined basically, outlined a week ago, friday. but the important thing is the ultimate departure of all israeli troops from gaza and a permanent ceasefire, which is at the end of what we call the second six week phase, that is an automatic. that requires negotiations. these negotiations. these negotiations could go on, and in terms of the agreement, although president biden has tried to break this down, the israelis or hamas could break off at the end of the initial ceasefire at the end of a six weeks could be terminated. if you look at what's on the table, what is the difference between what president biden outlined, and what is really want and what have us ask for? the israeli said things that some hostages come back, there is aid pouring in, people can go back to their homes, but basically for six weeks, the israeli military stops fighting and pulls out of the major urban areas, so basically where all the strategic terrain along the egyptian border, the sea and other places, but stops fighting, and in return, as will hamas, and in return will negotiate on a possible permanent ceasefire during those six weeks. if they haven't achieved a breakthrough by then, they can extend about six weeks ceasefire while they continue to negotiate, but, importantly, they don't have to, and if one or the other side decides after the six weeks to break off the negotiations, we would go back to fighting. so this puts pressure on hamas. that is the israeli proposal. president biden is stressing how important it is to keep those negotiations going on forever, because then the initial six—week ceasefire will look like a permanent ceasefire. right. that's very interesting. you look at one part of this proposal it does lead to the release of hostages who are in gaza. do you think the freezing of four hostages over the weekend, four israeli hostages were being in gaza, changes the equation at all for prime minister netanyahu? we know that families of the remaining hostages are putting even more pressure on this government. first of all, it overshadowed the departure of minister gantz, which was an important blow i think to netanyahu, and it will lead to i think less moderate israeli policy, but we will see. but nevertheless this was a military victory, at huge cost from the palestinian side, but it was a military victory and it so strengthens netanyahu's position, not only inside israel but also viz a viz haouas.— inside israel but also viz a viz haouas. ~ ., , ,., viz haouas. we have seen some consternation — viz haouas. we have seen some consternation course _ viz haouas. we have seen some consternation course across - viz haouas. we have seen some consternation course across the| consternation course across the world over the loss of palestinian lives in that raid that led to the freeing of those hostages, and as you said, benny gantz has left the war cabinet. what impact is not actually have on prime minister netanyahu? does it mean he is more beholden to the right—wing forces in his government? fin forces in his government? on the margins, yes, but he forces in his government? (m the margins, yes, but he has support from one of the opposition leaders, minister lapid, who said he and his party would support netanyahu if netanyahu went along with this ceasefire, and thus netanyahu, even if the two very right—wing ministers in the party pulled out of the 64 out of 120 contested coalition, netanyahu could stay in power, so i think all in all we are in the potential endgame. the key will be what is in those negotiations for the second phase. it won'tjust be how israel leaves, it will be who governs gaza. you notice no one is talking about this. there is a third phase of major reconstruction. i have provided my recommendations to both the us and the israeli government, as have others come on how to do this, but what's important is, and this is new, israel has signed up in this agreement to the eventual, under the right conditions, departure of all israeli forces. that means that the idea of permanent israeli occupation of gaza, which we feared was the position of the netanyahu government, is no longer really on the table, if they can get the right conditions.— they can get the right conditions. ., , , ., conditions. so what is your recommendation _ conditions. so what is your recommendation to - conditions. so what is your recommendation to the - conditions. so what is your| recommendation to the us, conditions. so what is your - recommendation to the us, to the israelis come on what the post—war governments would look like in gaza? fit, post-war governments would look like in gaza?— like in gaza? a stand down of hamas, like in gaza? a stand down of hamas. i _ like in gaza? a stand down of hamas, i think _ like in gaza? a stand down of hamas, i think there - like in gaza? a stand down of hamas, i think there will- like in gaza? a stand down of hamas, i think there will be l hamas, i think there will be negotiated in the second phase, where it is a ceasefire not only against israel but against the people and anyone who tries to govern gaza, then an international presence in the various ideas of arab, european, other players would come in and do governance, due reconstruction.— reconstruction. would palestinian _ reconstruction. would palestinian leaders i reconstruction. wouldj palestinian leaders be reconstruction. would - palestinian leaders be open to that? i palestinian leaders be open to that? 4' , ., , that? i think they would be sub'ect that? i think they would be subject to _ that? i think they would be subject to an _ that? i think they would be subject to an awful - that? i think they would be subject to an awful lot - that? i think they would be subject to an awful lot of. subject to an awful lot of pressure and they would also want a certain role, that is where you get the negotiations with the israelis, but that is normal and everyone a fair may be two dozen ceasefires i have been involved in the last 60 years. this can be an end game. it isn't an end game yet but we're moving in that direction. 0ne quick final question, secretary of state clinton is again in the region. what do you think his aim is in this visit? ,, , , ., you think his aim is in this visit? ,, _ ., �* you think his aim is in this visit? ,, , , ., �* ., visit? simply to say we're not auoin to visit? simply to say we're not going to spend _ visit? simply to say we're not going to spend a _ visit? simply to say we're not going to spend a week - visit? simply to say we're not| going to spend a week without at least one senior official visiting israel in the region, but the real work is between channels between washington and jerusalem. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at another story making headlines in the uk. an initial postmortem concluded that dr michael mosley died of natural causes, brought on by the conditions of a strenuous walk. the bbc presenter�*s body was found in a rocky area of the greek island of symi, sunday, four days after he went missing while on holiday. joe inwood reports. it was just near the beach bar that his body was found yesterday, not by search and rescue teams, but by local journalists, the mayor and the staff here. he journalists, the mayor and the staff here-— staff here. he passed out of the land- — staff here. he passed out of the land. michaelis- staff here. he passed out of the land. michaelis was - staff here. he passed out of the land. michaelis was one j staff here. he passed out of. the land. michaelis was one of the land. michaelis was one of the first on — the land. michaelis was one of the first on the _ the land. michaelis was one of the first on the scene. - the land. michaelis was one of the first on the scene. he - the land. michaelis was one of the first on the scene. he is i the first on the scene. he is still in shock and feels guilt for not finding him sooner. we did our for not finding him sooner. - did our best. we gave whatever we can to do, and i'm very sorry about it. i'm very sorry about the end. cctv footage, which has not been released, shows the final moments of dr mosley�*s life. it confirms that the presenter died before his family had realised he was missing. he was 67 years old. you're live with bbc news. french political parties are scrambling to prepare for legislative elections, less than three weeks away, after president emmanuel macron's surprise decision to dissolve parliament and call a snap vote. mr macron made the announcement on sunday, after his allies suffered a resounding defeat by the far right in european polls. but, as nicke beake reports, his first day of the campaign was marked not with a rally, but with a memorial service. emmanuel macron visited the site of one of the worst nazi massacres in france, perpetrated 80 years ago today. he's been drawing on the past to highlight what he claims is the current threat confronting the country — from the far right. in the face of his opponents' success this weekend, the president has taken an almighty gamble in calling a snap election. 40 miles outside paris, this is coulommiers, the land of cheesemaking, where support for macron has crumbled. the members of the monday club said they hadn't veered to the right. but then we met 31—year—old mum of three, noemi, a worker in an elderly care home, who says she's desperate for something new. translation: what frightens people could actually do them j good, so we should try the national front, because france is getting worse. i'm scared to leave my house and the public transport is not safe. whatever the result of these snap parliamentary elections, emmanuel macron is set to stay on as president for another three years, but a national rally victory could have a huge impact here and in many parts of france. it would also be hugely symbolic, too, because injust six weeks' time, the country will host the olympic games and by then, france could have its first far—right government since the second world war. this is the 28—year—old who could be france's prime minister in a month. through his social media, jordan bardella has been winning young supporters in particular, focusing on the cost of living, softening the image of a party once condemned as unelectable, and working alongside marine le pen. she hopes to replace macron as president in 2027. so can national rally translate their victory at the european elections to the national vote? so they have some kind of, say, a political virginity — people say, we do not know what they will do if they come to power but nevertheless, let's give them a try, and if we are not happy, we will have election next time and we'll get rid of them. it's not clear what the president's thinking is, but his legacy will be defined in the coming weeks. nick beake, bbc news, outside paris. france's snap election is just part of the fallout of this year's european parliament election, with 373 million eligible voters across the eu's 27 member states. the centre—right european people's party, led by european commission president ursula von der leyen, gained seats, and is still the largest bloc. ms von der leyen said "the centre has held", but she acknowledged that more extreme parties also made gains. in her native germany, chancellor 0laf scholz�*s social democrats were pushed into third place by the far—right alternative for germany, afd. unlike president macron, the chancellor rejected calls to hold early elections, following these results. in italy, the party of populist prime minister giorgia meloni secured a clear victory. but elsewhere, right—wing parties did not perform as strong. in poland, the governing centrist civic coalition claimed victory. live now to kristine berzina, from the german marshall fund of the united states, a transatlantic policy organisation. she specializes in us—eu geostrategic ties. uncertainty after far—right parites made major gains, great to have you on the programme tonight. what you think of emmanuel macron's move to call these snap elections? this is quite a gamble. it is a ve bi this is quite a gamble. it is a very big gamble. _ this is quite a gamble. it is a very big gamble. there - this is quite a gamble. it is a very big gamble. there was i this is quite a gamble. it is a i very big gamble. there was an earthquake in france with the european parliament elections. already there is an expectation the far right pretty well in europe, and we saw that in france, where the shock to the system, they shocked to macron's party and to his base was so significant that he has called for this snap election. this is a gamble that could determine what is the opportunity for the national rally to be a real political force, with the opportunity right now to also lead to the parliament. of course, president macron stays for the next three years, but his further agenda will be in many ways defined by his relationship with the parliament, and his leadership of european politics, of security policy, of europe as a global force will be called into question, if he has to be set against a parliament that is far more isolationist and uninterested in the world, in fact very concerned about immigration, has a very different approach than he himself does. so we see a gamble and potentially a play at the future role that france has in europe. france is in the world. and if this gamble does not work out for macron, it will provide an opportunity, in fact a necessity, for other europeans, for the germans, for the polls, for the north before the polls, for the north before the east, to step up and provide a much more ambitious dr tom ., , ., ., provide a much more ambitious drtom ., , ., ., ., dr tom to “ump in and ask about this and dr tom to jump in and ask about this and other _ dr tom to jump in and ask about this and other countries, - this and other countries, countries like germany, austria, italy also saw these far right surges. what consequence could we see there, is it something we will see is a knock—on effect from france? germany had a blow to some of its major coalition parties, the social democrats and the greens suffered across all of europe we have seen pushback on the green agenda, some of the car policies, admission policies in particular. this is going to be hard for the coalition but it appears that the coalition is going to hold. there are elections coming down next year and there are regional elections that are worrying, and the far right party, the afd, is making gains, but again this is not going to be quite an earthquake in germany as it is in france. georgia maloney in italy is a far right leader and the domestic policies are very harsh and objectionable to many people but on foreign policy she has been an ally for many of the pan—european and pan— nato foreign objectives such as helping ukraine and we can see that continue. in other parts of europe we have seen the success of the right. but not of the far right. we have seen a drop in support for more than's party, we have seen a drop in support for donald tusk�*s more centrist, again right but centre right, not far right. if right but centre right, not far riuht. .., right but centre right, not far riuht. _, ., ., right but centre right, not far riuht. ., ., , ., right. if i could follow up on that and _ right. if i could follow up on that and ask, _ right. if i could follow up on that and ask, what - right. if i could follow up on that and ask, what are - right. if i could follow up on that and ask, what are we l that and ask, what are we witnessing, is this a broader shift towards more conservative policies, orare shift towards more conservative policies, or are we seeing a trend we could then see swing the other way in another election?— the other way in another election? ~ ., , ., ., election? we are seeing a lot of concern — election? we are seeing a lot of concern about _ election? we are seeing a lot of concern about fiscal - of concern about fiscal responsibility, being something thatis responsibility, being something that is across the continent. we are seeing an opposition to green politics. there are many things that europe has been trying to do recently. there is economic birth, a very ambitious green agenda, as well as security and defence, and the thing we are seeing a lot of opposition is specifically on the green agenda. so we are seeing more support for stricter and more restrictive immigration policies. this is something that is a far right issue, but ever more of the centre—right is taking this on. where we are not seeing the far right flourish is along the eastern flank or in a lot of europe that feels most at risk, say the far right in estonia, the far right in finland, the far right in sweden suffered serious losses, and we also talked about the polish case, and so you see the areas of europe that are at most risk for some kind of aggression from russia holding to a centre far more firmly than we are seeing the large western european countries hold and have their relationship with the far right right now. some could say that this is because there hasn't been an opportunity for the far right to have significant power in places like poland, where this has been a recent phenomenon, or in hungary still today, where this has been experienced, we are seeing a backlash against it.— backlash against it. great to net our backlash against it. great to get your analysis _ backlash against it. great to get your analysis tonight, i get your analysis tonight, thank you forjoining us. uk prime minister rishi sunak and the conservative party are expected to unveil their election manifesto tomorrow. in an interview with the bbc, mr sunak detailed many of the party's initiatives, including addressing the growing challenge of homeownership, and a plan to cut a further 2p from the national insurance. with the country's snap election just weeks away, the party hopes the manifesto's promises will help close the gap in the polls with the labour party. nick robinson questioned the prime minister on the conservatives' many campaign promises. we've had endless promises. i've got all your tory press releases here. a promise of national service. a couple of billion there. a promise for a tax cut for pensioners. a promise of a tax cut for parents. more apprenticeship, more police officers. endless promises. of more and more money from the conservatives. have you found the magic money tree? ., , , ., ., tree? no, every single one of those policies _ tree? no, every single one of those policies that _ tree? no, every single one of those policies that you - tree? no, every single one of those policies that you have l those policies that you have 'ust those policies that you have just been through is fully funded and costed, as is explained in every single one of those _ explained in every single one of those press releases, as indeed _ of those press releases, as indeed when we have set out our manifesto — indeed when we have set out our manifesto tomorrow, people will be able — manifesto tomorrow, people will be able to see all the details behind — be able to see all the details behind it even further. and tomorrow _ behind it even further. and tomorrow you _ behind it even further. and tomorrow you will - behind it even further. fific tomorrow you will promise more tax cuts? we tomorrow you will promise more tax cuts? ~ ., ., tax cuts? we will have a manifesto _ tax cuts? we will have a manifesto tomorrow - tax cuts? we will have a | manifesto tomorrow that tax cuts? we will have a - manifesto tomorrow that builds on all— manifesto tomorrow that builds on all the — manifesto tomorrow that builds on all the things you just gone through— on all the things you just gone through that we have just built -- just— through that we have just built —— just announcing this campaign, but does continue to cut people's taxes because i believe _ cut people's taxes because i believe in a country where heartles— believe in a country where people's hard work is rewarded. meanwhile, the labour party gave details of its childcare plan for england, pledging to create 100,000 additional childcare places and more than 3,000 new nurseries. liberal democrats are pledging everyone in england would be entitled to free at—home care, the two—child benefit cap would be lifted, and people in england would have the right to see a gp within seven days, or 24 hours, if urgent. the us president's son, hunter biden, tells the bbc he believes his federal gun case now before a jury has "went well". jurors began deliberating monday, after closing arguments wrapped. 0ur correspondent carl nasman spoke to mr hunter biden, as he was leaving the courthouse. how do you feel today when? i think it went well. we'll see, though. we've got to wait for the jury to come back. thank you. hunter biden is accused of lying about his drug use on a federal form while buying a weapon in 2018, and of illegally possessing a firearm while he was allegedly a drug user. for more on this, our correspondent carl nasman has this report. of the 0f thejury will of the jury will return to this court behind me here in delaware on tuesday morning to continue its deliberations, to weigh the evidence and testimony that they have heard of this trial over the past week or so. much of that has been very detailed, and sometimes difficult to listen to. the prosecution has laid out its case that hunter biden was addicted to crack cocaine, that he was using the drug on or around the time that he purchased that revolver in october 2018, that he then lied about that on a federal form. of course all of this evidence, of course all of this evidence, the text messages, audio, video, some snippets from hunter biden's memoir has played out notjust for the jury played out notjust for the jury but also for the biden family itself. many members of herfamily were again family itself. many members of her family were again in court today, sitting just behind hunter biden in a show of support. among them was the first lady herself, jill biden. this is already a historic case, a historic trial, but a conviction he would also be historic. hunter biden would become the first son of a sitting president to be convicted in a federal courthouse. that would carry a maximum penalty of about 25 years. it is unlikely he would say that amount of time, the discretion would be up to the judge but of course it is in the hands of the jury now, and they will continue those deliberations on day two here on tuesday. carl nazam and reporting. before i go, an iconic event in hong kong. 0n before i go, an iconic event in hong kong. on monday, hundreds of paddlers took part in the city's annual dragon boat festival. they made a splash in the waters of aberdeen harbour with 29 races. similar competitions take place in singapore, australia and the us. that is our programme at this hour. thank you for watching bbc news and stay with us. hello, there. for most of us, it has been a disappointing start to the week, in terms of the weather. a frequent rash of showers, particularly across scotland, gusts of winds coming from the north, and in excess of 30 mph, at times. temperatures struggled to get into double figures, but it was a slightly different story, further south and west. just look at anglesey — beautiful afternoon, lots of sunshine and temperatures peaked at around 18 or 19 degrees. high pressure is continuing to nudge its way in from the west, so west will be best, through the course of tuesday. there's still likely to be a few showers around, but hopefully few and further between. most frequent showers, certainly, are going to be across eastern scotland and down through eastern england. so, sunny spells and scattered showers going into the afternoon. that will have an impact with the temperature, 14 or 15 degrees, but again, with a little more shelter, a little more sunshine, 17 or 18 celsius not out of the question. a few scattered showers moving their way through northern ireland and scotland. hopefully, some of these will ease through the afternoon, but you can see those temperatures still really struggling — ten to 15 degrees at the very best. now, as we move out of tuesday into wednesday, this little ridge of high pressure will continue to kill off the showers. so, wednesday is likely to be the driest day of the week — and make the most of it — there's more rain to come, but it will be a pretty chilly start, once again, to wednesday morning. single figures right across the country, low single figures in rural spots. but, hopefully, the showers should be a little bit few and further between and more favoured spots for those showers, once again, to the east of the pennines. more sunshine out to the west. temperatures, generally, similar values to what we've seen all week, 10 to 18 degrees the high, but the wind direction will start to change as we move into thursday. unfortunately, towards the end of the week, this low pressure will take over. we'll see further spells of rain at times, some of it heavy. but the wind direction will play its part, a little — a south—westerly wind means that we will see temperatures climbing a degree or so. don't expect anything too significant, because we've got the cloud and the rain around. but it's not out of the question that across eastern and southeast england, we could see highs of 20 celsius. take care. apple enters the race to bring generative al to consumers with a big partnership. we'll have all the details. and we'll take a close look at the chinese electric vehicle market which is set to be hit by tariffs from the european union. hello and welcome to business today. i'm arunoday mukharji. let's begin in the us, where apple has made a splash with its announcements on artificial intelligence. the much—anticipated worldwide developers conference kicked off on monday, and the company spelled out the new features for iphones, ipads, and macbooks. 0ur north america business correspondent erin delmore has the latest. the hottest abbreviation in tech these days is easily ai. apple is taking its shot at redefining artificial intelligence into apple intelligence. the company unveiled a series of ai related announcements at its worldwide developers concerts on monday. chief among them, a partnership with the artificial intelligence juggernaut 0penai. that will allow apple to integrate start up's cutting edge chat bot chatgpt into its devices including a superpowered siri. the voice assistant will be available with chatgpt features for free later this year. other new additions include ai generated images and emojis and help with proofreading in tone adjustment. these announcement are the big stand apple integrating ai features that have captured viewers attention and spending the big bucks. rewarding terms that are not onlyjumped up
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delaware sent to decide the fate of hunter biden, the president's son, hoping to beat three felony gun charges all right. 5:00 a.m. here in washington alive. look in new york city on this tuesday morning. good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. wonderful. have you with us donald trump juggling his conviction with his campaign. he helped to remote appearances on monday. >> one was with his probation officer, the other with a conservative christian group we can't afford to have anyone sit on the sidelines now is the time for us to all pull together and to stand up for our values and for our freedoms. >> and you just can't vote democrat. they're against religion there, against your religion in particular, you can not vote for democrats and you have to get out and vote the former president's probation interview. meanwhile comes one month ahead of his sentencing date. it's currently scheduled for july 11. meanwhile, president biden held eight juneteenth celebration at the white house last night dag remember the original sin of slavery and the extraordinary capacity to merge those powerful moments, painful moment with. >> a better vision for ourselves. a day reminds us. we have a hell of a lot more work to do. so let's keep marching today. >> president biden plans to speak at a major gun violence prevention conference. the appearance comes as the white house and biden campaign tried to promote the president's work to tackle gun violence his team believes that issue resonates with key voting blocs, including women, young people, and latinos. starting us off this morning. shelby talcott, she's a reporter with semaphores, shelby. good morning. wonderful to see you. >> let's start off with what we heard from former president trump at this event yesterday with the dan barry institute, which is a very conservative organization on abortion rights. and the bottom line seemed to be to keep from the left for showing up at all. >> but what he had to say wasn't good enough for the right yeah. i think this really just represents how difficult of an issue abortion is for republicans, it's essentially a lose-lose situation, and we've seen how donald trump has struggled to grapple with that fact and figure out how to speak on it. so he faced he faced backlash from the left because of course, this is an extremely concerning derivative group that wants to ban all abortions and so their argument was, why is he showing up at all? and then he faced backlash from conservatives who argued that he sounded like a politician and his brief pre-recorded remarks, he didn't mention the word abortion at all. he didn't take pride for overturning roe as he so often does but it encapsulates how the abortion issue is really, really hurting republicans and how they've just struggled to figure out the happy medium and how to talk about this issue. >> because again, i mean, this is the difference between a pre and post row america in a world where roe v wade stands, republican politicians can and would go into these groups, talked to them and say definitively, life begins at conception. this, we shouldn't be doing this, et cetera. without any actual risks that those policies are going to become the law of the land? no. yes. and i think the other thing is we've seen how donald trump donald trump in 2016 won a lot of support from the anti-abortion movement because he promised all of these things he delivered on them. and this time around, i talked to activists in this group all the time about this issue. and throughout this entire election, they've been really concerned that donald trump has left them by the wayside. and so to me this, these pre-recorded remarks is trump's sort of attempt at saying, i'm still with you. i'm still here but also trying to walk that really fine, almost impossible line to get those moderate voters over to his side as well. >> yeah let's talk a little bit about president biden because we are starting to see, or at least it seems like we're seeing a very small shift potentially in the polling in biden's direction. >> we don't want to overstate it because this race is so incredibly close, right? and we're still kind of gathering data in a post conviction world but i do feel like there are some i'm picking up some more positive vibes from democrats shall we say, in the wake of this, i think they were a little reluctant to weigh in initially, what is your reporting on how this seems to be playing out so far? well, it's interesting because we still don't know exactly how the trump conviction is going to affect voters long-term. it does is you said seem to have maybe shifted things a little bit four at least the short term, who knows, in five months what's going to happen but what i think is notable as every time i talked to the biden campaign, they've been really focused on saying throughout this entire election that they're going to focus on touting his accomplishments, focus on trying to remind voters in a very tough election cycle what he has done. and so this this gun speech is going to be one of those prime examples. it's an issue that a lot of voters care about, particularly his core base and we're going to see a lot from him about this issue and we've already seen how there also at the same time contrasting what joe biden has accomplished in office with donald trump's policies. and so this gun speech, represents how the biden campaign is trying to run their campaigns. one other message that the biden campaign has been trying to really push. >> and if you know anyone that works for biden comes to the set, they will say they will make this argument that donald trump is out for himself, that he doesn't care about voters, which is why it stood out to us on the show when donalds, this is from over the weekend, donald trump rally in las vegas. here's what he said to his supporters. there. take a look. >> by the way, is that breeze nice? >> do you feel the breeze because i don't want anybody going on me. >> we need every voter. i don't care about you. i just want your vote. i don't care i don't care about you. i just want your vote from the man himself. >> yeah. and i think the big thing when i talked to voters at these events, you have to remember these events are tailored for donald trump's core base of supporters. you're not often seeing. people maybe except for the new york events that he has held which are not technically large scale rallies, but at these large-scale rallies, these are as core base. these are the people have the memorabilia and they have the t-shirts were in line for hours? exactly. so they they love those as of comments, the question is, how do those comments help the more moderate voters who are maybe on the fence unclear. shall we talk got thank you very much for that. >> are coming up next year. america's top diplomat in the middle east, pressure israel and hamas to agree to a ceasefire deal plus miami apartment building engulfed in flames. 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skeptical now, the burden is on israeli sayyed to implement this resolution. >> the proof is in the pudding. we will see who are the ones who are interested to see this resolution to become a reality and those who are obstructing it all right cnn's max foster joins us now, live from london at max, it's rare to hear from him from the palestinian ambassador this deal, it seems like it's going to be a three-phase thing. >> there's a six-week ceasefire with the release of some hostages and palestinian prisoners it's supposed to be followed by a full israeli withdrawal, release of all the hostages. and then in theory, there's a plan for a multiyear reconstruction of gaza. it's a lot the us is saying, hey, we're waiting on hamas. >> what, where does this stand at this point? well it's not entirely clear is that we're hearing a lot about in hamas is core. other people are saying it's in israel's court as well, hearing their from the us ambassador to the united nations saying israel has agreed to it, but has agreed to it in its current form the government that is currently in. so you have now benny gantz has left the israeli war cabinet and it's now become more right-wing. so will they agree to this deal within this broader deal, as i understand it, is the idea of a palestinian state in future. and that is something that the right wing of the israeli government won't agree to. so i think clarity is needed on whether the us ambassador to the un is right. is that israel, the current israeli government, whether or not it actually supports this deal, then of course yes, the question about whether or not hamas some supports the deal as well, and whether or not even if they get to the point of negotiation, whether it holds but i think that that clarity on both sides is needed. but as you say, we don't often hear from that palestinian ambassador in the us max. >> we're, we're also getting some reporting in the wall street journal about yahya sinwar is the head of hamas his correspondence with his compatriots, but also with mediators who are going back and forth trying to get this deal. and the way that he frames this, he says, quote, we have the israelis, right where we want them and then he goes on to say in another message that he cited civilian losses in national liberation conflicts in places like algeria, where hundreds of thousands of people died fighting for independence from france. and he said, quote these are necessary sacrifices. and quote, so we've kinda east talking about these people who are dying in gaza as a way to pressure the israelis. it's a pretty stark and difficult way of looking at things and this is something that when people who are supportive of the israeli is trying to recover their hostages, et cetera. they point to this and they say, look, hamas uses its people this way well, i think a lot of the quotes open to interpretation on such a divisive issue. >> and i know the article makes the point, but his ultimate goal is to appear to win a permanent ceasefire that allows hamas to declare victory by outlasting israel. so i think there's a real awareness within israel in many parts of israel that, that might be the strategy here on the her mass sayyed, there will be people saying that this is a fight we can't we have to outlive it and then you have these quotes which do seem ruthless another one says you'll remember when the political leader, ishmael hernia, his sons were killed. and there's a message apparently, these messages are coming from people have different views on sinwar as we said, he wrote that the deaths and those of other palestinians would infuse life into the veins of this nation, prompting it to rise up rise to his glory and honor. was he making the best of a bad situation there or is it as you suggested? within this article that the bloodshed actually works for the palestinian cause i think a lot of it's open to interpretation. a lot of people would have issues with this article. lot of 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new york city. >> look at that beautiful sunrise on this tuesday morning. good morning, everyone. i'm casey hans. it's wonderful to have you with us. donald trump has completed his pre-sentencing interview. >> cnn reporting the former president answered all the questions he was polite, respectful and accommodating to the probation officers telling them to be safe with the conclusion of the session. >> this routine interview lasted just 30 minutes. may source tells cnn there could be a follow-up meeting. here's a former new york city, the former new york city corrections commissioner, who it's just explaining a little bit here. this could be an is usually a drawn-out process it's just the beginning of what can be a pretty long and sometimes intrusive process. >> so you shouldn't take too much that it was just a first polite interview that a probation officer has wide berth here so this was the start of something that certainly not the end not the end, joining me now, cnn legal analyst, joey jackson. >> joey. good morning to you. it sounds like we got a slightly different version of donald trump than we often see on the campaign trail when he talks talk to his probation officer. i'm still working on getting over the fact that this is the reality that we're living in, that this is what we're covering day in and day out considering he is the republican presumptive republican nominee for president. but what do you take away from what unfolded here? >> jc, good morning to you. it is a very pleasant surprise and quite unusual from what we're used to in terms of rashness, in terms of making statements about the system and being a victim in an injustice. and so yes, it isn't surprised. but remember we're big picture what this is about, right? there's something called a psi. what is a psi pre-sentence investigation and pursuant to that investigation, a defendant, as we look at here, now, a convicted felon is provided with the opportunity to give information with respect to things that are relevant about you. like what like your family background, like your mental health history and status, like the nature of the conviction and how it affected your ability to support and otherwise provide for your family? generally not getting into the facts and circumstances the case itself, which is why counsel generally doesn't even appear or need to for that matter. and the whole reason for that case, he of course, is that then you go from a psi pre-sentence invented that's the patient to a psr, right? lot of acronyms, pre-sentence report and that report is certainly helpful for a judge to provide sentencing to the defendant, having learned more about them, and then of course this comes with and along alongside what your attorneys will give, which is their recommended condition with respect to the sentence. and then prosecutors will weigh in and then the judge will certainly look at all of it and render a fair and just determination as to what sentencing should look like joey is plausible here. >> mean like i completely understand why this process exists for your average defendant who is not known to any of these officials in this system, right? i mean, how ever many cases come before them day in and day out. this is typically pretty routine thing. this is not a routine situation like if you're the judge here how much does this actual process do you think? do you think judge machinery knows what he's gonna do three parts to the question. >> i think number one, in terms of the nature and typical illness of this for mr. trump, it's not right. we know i think people in general about him. he's run for president before he served as president for he ran again for president. and he's running again. and so i think generally the typical defendant to your point, is not someone who's known to the judge and the judge is trying to get a broader perspective with regard to who you are, what you do. >> number two, in terms of the process itself, it's helpful and important for a judge in general because it does give a deep dive into who the particular person is, what their families about, what their mental health history, about who they are about what their thoughts in nature of the system are about to give you a better rendering of a decision number three, in terms of the judge, i don't think so. >> okay. see, i don't think judge machine has made up his mind you know, and i know that by nothing in terms of having spoken to him or knowing anything about it. but i think that the process provides for the nature of what happens and what does happen. what happens is, is you're attorneys provide their view defense attorneys with respect to what they fair. and justin appropriate prosecutors way in the department of probation can ways in because they will give casey they the department probation the essence of why he gave this interview a recommendation and i think the judge takes all that into account and let's not forget when you're attorney he's provide their memorandum. it's accompanied by all kinds of letters and documents and things about who you are, what you're about, the redeeming qualities you have and all the factors that talk about the aspirational nature of the actual in most instances, the aberration on nature. it's not typically who the defendant is, judge, this is something that was a one-off, your honor. whatever arguments you make, but there are multiple letters that come with that. and then of course, at the sentencing itself, casey very briefly, the attorneys are afforded an opportunity to make oral argument with regard to what they think it should be added. the defendant, him or herself, in this case, the former president has an opportunity to render some kind of public statement about how they feel. and then oftentimes you get victim impact statements two and so i think because of all that it would really be a disappointment and i'm sure that's not what judgment shot is doing to say i've got my mind made up, i'm just going to render a decision. i don't need any of this. all of it is important i mean, sometimes come game de the sentencing day judges do change their mind right then and there. so see what happens here. >> very interesting, very briefly, joey, let me ask you about the other case that's unfolding. and that's a hunter biden the jury has this case. how long do you expect it to take for them to reach a verdict on something like this so you know, casey, that's always the wildcard in terms of the timeframe and i don't think we could draw anything into the time frame, of course, deliberation, just having begun yesterday, of course, this dealing with three different counts, did he lie to a federally licensed firearm dealer that he lie on the form with regard to the purchase of the weapon or did he illegally possess it? >> so those are the issues i think they're very clearly defined. what's a bit murky is whether or not there's really, was he addicted at the time, whether he thought he was addicted at the time, was he deceiving himself? what this evidence of that regard and let's not forget, he's got home-court vantage has families pretty popular in delaware? it matters. i think you have an african-american jury that is pretty intuned to what's appropriate, what's in just et cetera and so let's see whether or not we get a hung jury for finally, jury nullification, whether the jury says, you know what, perhaps it's something you did i think there's shaming addiction. we're not going to do that and then let's throw it out. courts has been arguing that, but the prosecution saying it's about line let's see what narrative the jury comes up with. well, know, sue. >> all alright. joey jackson for us this morning. joey thanks very much the story. >> the former house speaker kevin mccarthy, reportedly planning a revenge tour. nbc news reporting mccarthy is seeking to retaliate against republicans who voted to oust him last year. this has really been an ongoing thing, but it's starting with republican congresswoman nancy mace of south carolina, cobo, an nbc operatives aligned with mccarthy are directing big money into these races through outside groups. tuesday's challenge to mace is the first test, and then we'll see house freedom caucus chair bob good, who faces a primary in virginia next week two other anti mccarthy voters representatives, eli crane of arizona, matt gaetz of florida, also have primary challenges. this summer mccarthy denies it's a revenge mission and says he's not targeting anyone these are the eight republicans that you mentioned. you see them on your screen what's the first thing that comes to your mind when you see them just function, are you on political vengeance store? >> no no, i know you guys tried to say that. >> now, last week i went to los angeles, orange county, san diego raising money for the republican party are you okay. >> joining me now, senior congressional reported for punchbowl news. andrew does siderio andrew, this is revenge tour. this is the revenge tour. one to the tune of enantiomers, this case, $9 million in outside spending against her in the single house race and a single single house primary? yeah. yeah. it's that's wild. yeah. what are what is the likelihood that any of these folks are going to lose their primaries? >> well, look, i think it's very possible that nancy mace loses her primary, for example, today, i think that's the big race that everybody is going to be tuning into those other ones you mentioned probably not. but kevin mccarthy is very much interested in toppling the people who were sort of orchestrating the push to oust him from the speakership so andrew can you walk me through also the dynamics in the bob good house race in virginia because that one is really interesting. >> he is the freedom top of the freedom caucus. he is someone who has, it's not just kevin mccarthy. he's made angry. what's going on with that, right? so donald trump hasn't endorsed his his primary opponent, for example, which was quite stunning to learn, especially given that bob good is, as you said, the chair of the freedom caucus, and he's got a lot of conservatives both movement conservatives and conserve as on capitol hill, who are very much behind him and trying to make sure that he wins his race. he was one of the aid, of course, who voted to oust kevin carvey. so there's that dynamic there as well. i will tell you a lot of freedom caucus members are a little bit upset with donald trump and his political operation at the level at which he's, he's gone in terms of the intensity of trying to endorse me it's primaries. they think it's not productive, not helpful or not helpful to the conservative cause. in particular to be endorsing against these members particularly when you have bob good, who someone when who is the chairman of the freedom caucus, the freedom caucus have ten years ago is not the freedom caucus of today. it's basically a devotion to donald trump, right and bob good is especially so circumstance because he endorsed ron desantis early on in the presidential campaign. so there might be some bad blood there between him and donald trump, and that might have led to the endorsement of his primary opponent. but it's definitely an interesting dynamic to watch it multiple revenge tour is kind of taking their way through his district exactly how i would say it. so this is something that we've been found how in closely on the show, different, different topic the questions about chatgpt the new kind voice of chatgpt and scarlet johanson, who is very upset about that to the point where she sued over the fact that there was a very uncanny similarity to her voice in this movie. watch good morning. >> good morning. e of a meeting in five minutes. >> you want to try getting too funny get good. i'm funny learn everything about everything and of course, sam altman, the head of chatgpt tweeted her just one word before he rolled out this new ai. now congress says they want scarlet johanson to come testify. what's that about? >> well, speaking of nancy mace, it's actually her subcommittee on the house oversight committee that's requested seeing this interview with scarlet johanson. a. tried to schedule it for next month, but apparently it's not going to happen until later this year, maybe not even till october i think this is an example of the legislative process in congress not moving as fast as ai is moving both the development of the technology as well as these moves that are happening private industry like places like openai, like the organization that sam altman leads that's gonna be a struggle for congress as they try to address a very complex topic like this. and we've talked about this before. but when you see a request for testimony that doesn't actually come to fruition for another four or five, maybe even six months the technology looks very different next week compared to now write much less five or six months from now. yeah. and that's something that congress is going to have to contest with, is making sure that they are moving at the speed, not of congress, but of the technology which is difficult. >> i mean, we're still waiting on them to do something comprehend hands up on social media has been around now for years alone, ai. all right. andrew does siderio force andrew. thank you. thank you. really appreciate it. >> are coming up next here. secretary of state antony blinken continues attempting to break broker an end to the war in gaza, plus the panthers take a commanding lead in the stanley cup finals are bleacher report's up next 19th cnn celebrate juneteenth we especially deformities by john legend, hadi lewbel, smokey robinson. we still have a lot of work to do. >> juneteenth celebrating freedom and legacy wednesday, june 19, on cnn, suffering from arthritis, muscle and joint pain, get relief finally, with magna life onika pain relief gel with eucalyptus, an email oil ease stiffness, inflammation 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especially are eight american families who have loved ones in gaza. >> we are determined and to bring them home the proposal that president biden per forward is the best way to do that the secretary of state, antony blinken in the middle east this morning trying to put pressure on israeli leaders to agree with to a ceasefire with hamas today, blinken met with benny gantz. >> he had resigned from the israeli war cabinet on sunday after criticizing netanyahu's strategy in gaza yesterday, blinken met with prime minister benjamin netanyahu and with israel's defense minister pressing them to commit to the proposed deal and asking countries in the region to put the same pressure on hamas joining me now to discuss as cnn national security analyst shawn turner, shawn, good morning to you let's just dig in a little bit at to what blinken is doing here. >> the way that american officials are framing this in public is that they are waiting on hamas, that israel is on board with this american plan, but there does seem to be some murkiness around it. >> how do you see this playing out? >> especially in the wake of this very high-profile hostage rescue that also of course led to the deaths of scores of palestinians good morning, case you it's good to be with you when you he listened to israel's response to the biden ceasefire plan. i think that would most people are hearing is you're hearing comments like israel accepts the plan, urine comments like israel believes that this is a good first step, but we're not hearing a full-throated endorsement of the plan and i think that while that a lot of people are cautiously optimistic that this is the plan that will achieve a ceasefire. there's still a lot of unknowns here. look, i think that what i see here is a fact that israel this feeling, increasing pressure from the international community. it goes without saying that this is no longer a localized or regional issue for israel, that the pressure is intense and they're being criticized by all sectors of the globe so i think that what we're going to see here is we're going to, we're going to see the support of this plan continued to strengthen or going to see israel wait this out, and we're going to see hamas as we always see with hamas, try to leverage this plants to get as much as they possibly can. i think this is the best possible option that we've had in a long time. so i'm cautiously optimistic that this is going to work out shawn there's some reporting in the wall street journal about messages from mr. sinwar, who is the head of hamas, who has been messaging with hamas officials that the qatari and egyptian emissaries, and it's reported that he said, we've the israeli he's right where we want them. >> and then he also compared what's going on with palestinian civilians to national liberation conflicts in say algeria end. he said, quote, these are necessary sacrifices and quote, how do you think that illuminates the thinking of hamas at this point? >> you, at this point 0.1 of the big concerns that we've all had is the fact that hamas continues to use civilians to achieve their objectives. i mean, when we look at the number of palestinians who have been killed, it's, it's astronomical i think that what this does a message like that i think it's obviously not constructive, casey, because there is a deal that's on the table. and what hamas needs do if you read the language of a deal, it's very clear in terms of what hamas needs to do. there's no wiggle room for hamas. and so a message like that suggests that there is wiggle room at that there's some negotiation that can or should happen with israel, and that's simply not the case. this is a deal that lays out what hamas should do. and i think that the challenge punch that we see with hamas is that even though we see a message like that, hamas is not always in control you have a number of different groups and factions that be maybe making decisions that are not necessarily in line with with what the negotiators want to do so it's not helpful. but again, i think that that's the kind of rhetoric we oftentimes i'm see. this is a good deal and there's a real opportunity here to really some of the pressure and two, and the humanitarian crisis in gaza all right. >> sean turner for us it's morning. i serve a much appreciate your time. thank you for being here thanks, casey all right. time now for sports, the florida panthers are two wins away from hoisting the stand can we cup for the first time in franchise history if they get there are andy scholes has this morning's bleacher report, andy, good morning. good morning. cases. so edmonds and they really wanted to win this series that only for there fans, but for all of canada, canadian team has not won the stanley cup since 1993. state of florida. meanwhile, laken when it off for the third time in five years, but this wouldn't be the first for the panthers. now the oilers striking first in game two, mathias et calm putting 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going to unleash. there's outrage, and that is i can tell. >> well, kristie, great reporting as always. thank you and thanks for putting up with me at this late hour. >> it gets a little psalter whereas the hours go on. thanks very much for watching. i'll see you tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. i might be a little certainly than two right here on cnn, anderson cooper 360 as next, have a great tonight on 360, real warriors and people don't. trump is now calling warriors, namely the violent mob that storm the capital, keeping them honest on the difference. also tonight, hunter biden's fate now in the hands of the jury how the defense and prosecution did and making their case. plus the latest in a string of cnn exclusives on decades of sexual abuse. the coast guard academy tonight of coast guard official break silence and says she was part of what she now calls a cruel coverup good evening. >> thanks for joining us. we begin tonight. keep romanness was something the former president has been saying a lot lately. and what it says about him. sunday is president biden was visiting the american military cemetery outside paris and frehse from marking the 80th anniversary of d-day. and at normandy donald trump was saying this there's never been people treated. >> more horrifically. then j six hostages. but those j6 warriors, they were worries, but they were really more than anything else. they are victims of what happened. all they were doing is protesting a rigged election that's what they were doing and then the police say go and go in, go in, go in, water is set-up that was that's the former president of the united states sunday in las vegas. and just to refresh your memory, these are the people he was honoring specifically the ones in prison for crimes they committed on january 6, or jail awaiting trial. and it's certainly not the first time he's called these people hostages ladies and gentlemen, please rise for the harb unfairly treated. >> january 6, tass ditches it's now part of his routine that recording he's standing in saluting four features him saying the pledge of allegiance while these inmates, whom he calls hostages sing the star spangled banner by the way, the former president began calling them hostages in november after actual hostages were taken by hamas, four of whom were freed in a daring military operation in gaza after almost eight months of mental and physical torment at the hands of hamas. and we'll have more on that tonight. >> but those are actual hostages. >> trump would have you believe the january 6 inmates are hostages and also warriors and victims? he said that to victims he also claims were invited in by police. so they're warriors and their hostages and their victims, and they're also according to him, lovers the love the 11 year i've never seen anything like it. there was also a love fest between the police, the capitol police and the people that walked down to the capital so stir that in with all the rest. and here's the former president is reshaping the attack on the capitol. peaceful protesters full of love invited into the capitol by police who loved them and return. but who somehow tricked them and made them victims, who then turned into warriors who are now being held hostage. let me introduce you to one of these man who's presumably a warrior and trump size. daniel rodriguez. this is his photo was posted on social media by username deepstate dogs. rodriguez was part of the mob that attack police with metal poles and bateson stolen riot shields and chemical spray. and in his case has stun gun he attacked officer michael fan-owned with it, who later suffered a heart attack and traumatic brain injury rodriguez pleaded guilty like so many others have and was sentenced to 12.5 years in prison. his is one he's one of the people, the former president is calling a hostage and it shouldn't come as a surprise that trump is unfamiliar with what a warrior actually is. casey's watching, here's one from d-day technician fifth grade john jay pender junior he waited through machine gun and artillery fire carrying a vitally important radio assured omaha beach which he did despite being wounded once then again, making several trips back through enemy fire to get more equipment ashore until he was wounded a third time and died. technician pender was awarded the congressional medal of honor posthumously. president trump refused to visit the same cemetery that president biden. so many other presidents have over the years. and according to to his former chief of staff from being corps general kelly, quote, in the atlantic, he said, why should i go to that cemetery? it's filled with losers. >> had he gone, he might have learned what being a award are truly means separately, the former president now convicted felon, met by video conference de for a pre-sentencing interview with the new york probation officer, joining us tonight, former republican congressman and house, january 6, committee member adam kinzinger, also seen and chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe, congressman. >> first of all, what is your as somebody who was actually what is your reaction to the foreign president calling the riders warriors and hostages and victims i mean, it's, it's thick and disgusting. >> obviously. i think we have to be careful to not allow this outrage to just numb us like this really should be. and thank you for putting this at the top of the show. there should be at the top of but every new show anywhere in the country at how agreed justs and terrible this as they, they're not warriors. the ones that went into the capital. most of them, if not all of them, have been arrested and tried. and interestingly, anderson, at the beginning when they started to get arrested, they were remorseful. and then this right-wing ecosphere put their arms around them singing the national anthem and stuff. and in that process, convinced them that they were victims and have made them martyrs and heroes. this is not something americans that aren't completely sold out to the cult should be, should accept and we should have this be a fresh outrage every day when he does stuff like this. >> it's also entering andrew. i mean, i know some actual warriors. they're not people who usually view themselves as victims or just sort of helpless victims. very often, how dangerous do you think it is for law enforcement and andrew and the public when you have the former president gaslighting his supporters because, i mean back in 2022, there was a guy upset about federal authorities searching mar-a-lago i'll go for classified documents. he was killed after trying to shoot his way into an fbi field office in ohio. it feels like du the congressman's point the former president just says this stuff and people just kind of ignore it. but i mean it has repercussions potentially yeah. >> so let's get the facts out first on this warriors claim. so as of january 6, 20 in 24, which is most recent numbers, i could find. we've got 1,200 and 1,265 people have been charged in as a part of that january 6 case, 718 of them on that by that de had already gone into court. raise your right hand, sworn to tell the truth, and then said did it i'm guilty to the whether it's trespassing or obstruction of official procedure or assault on police officers and others. so the idea that these people are somehow being held against their will for political reasons is absolutely absurd. >> and donald trump knows that's absurd. >> he knows it because he spent four hours that day watching the video tapes from behind the cloistered walls of the white house in the warm embrace of his secret service security team. >> so he knows exactly what happened that day. >> he knows those people were rioters and it's directionless and many of them have to their credit stepped up and taken responsibility for that. the thing that i cannot get past anderson is how many people give him a pass for saying absurd and secondly, false things like this. and you're right, these falsehoods that he, that he throws out in front of his rallies in support first, it is for political advantage, but it comes at the cost of driving up risk to people in the system. law enforcement prosecutors, and others. and you made the perfect example. ricky schifflin, who was outraged by what he undoubtedly heard the president say after the mar-a-lago rate decided to take it out violently on the fbi's cincinnati field office. that could happen any day anywhere around the country to any fbi agent or other federal officer by somebody similarly misguided. >> also, i'm congressman. it's just i mean, it's kinda it's just i mean, it's sickening that the former president basically solve this so the october 7 hostages being held by hamas and islamic jihad and others as a branding opportunity and i think according to the washington post in november is when he started using the term hostages for the for those who have been found guilty of crimes on on january said x and re-brand braise, branding them january 6, hostages. i mean, it's it's really worked it is really warped in that was various student view to notice is that he never used hostages until there were real hostages. >> some of which are still being held, some have been killed that are being held against their will. i mean, look, i'm probably started with marjorie taylor greene two she she came up with some of that, but i think the biggest thing to take off of what m'kay six stood up, lindsey graham, i'm done with this guy. we had a hell of a run, but i'm done. you think of like marco rubio, all these people that know better, that just keep their heads down and don't say a word. this is threatening the very fabric of democracy because all we have to have for democracy to survive is a basic compact that your vote, you can vote, your vote will count and the person that wins wins. that's what donald trump was tearing apart that basic contact contract. that is the only requirement for democracy to survive. and he is turn these people that violated the rule of law into martyrs. and by the way, if we don't have rule and law in this country, democracy can't survive either. and he is just an absolute il, fit mentally flawed is probably the nicest way i can say it. former president and candidate for future president in america has to reject him. >> john i know you have new reporting on the former president's meeting today are interviewing with probation officials, which is a normal part of this procedure. what happened? >> so today, donald trump with his lawyer, todd blanche, over a microsoft teams connection, had this virtual meeting to prepare to assist probation department in new york city with preparing the pre-sentencing report that goes to the judge it was an unusual meeting in that present there was the commissioner of the new york city department of probation wanted to homes her general counsel, bridget hamline, and the probation officer who would normally be there by himself or with another officer who would do the interview. the interview was led by commissioner homes and a city official who was briefed on the interview afterwards told me that at all times donald trump answered the questions which were things about what are your living situation any health issues, family history, where do you spend more time? new york or florida? a lot of things that don't while trump, but thank everybody already knows. but commissioner home said these are the normal questions we're going to put you through these questions. they said he was polite, he was respectful and that at the end of the meeting he wished them well and ended the call with be safe and we just got speaking in new york city mayor giuliani, former mayor giuliani's mug shot from arizona authorities. he's been he was hard to get a subpoena a subpoena to fund. they finally did. this is his his his mug shot that's not the mug shot. >> will try to get it he's pleaded not guilty there to charges of trying to overturn the 2020 election results what what happened to him i mean, well, this has been an amazing rise and fall from a prosecutor built on the image of thomas dewey going after the mom i've been crooked politicians to a mouthpiece for donald trump as president. >> and then the lead counsel. >> by the way, this is the mug shot that was another mug shot of his, which clearly he's gotten the lesson from that prior mug shot because this one is smiling at least that's right. the prior mug shot was from the georgia cases. so now he's on his second mug shot, but he has he has he has hitched himself to the donald trump wagon, but he's also been through multiple breakups and divorces. he's lost millions and millions of dollars. he's in bankruptcy, has apartment is up for sale and it was amazing to see someone who was the face and the voice of law and order in new york city for so long and then the mayor for two terms. a law and order meir, be someone who's going on his second mug shot and who has been disbarred and barred from the practice of law in multiple places endrew in a series of interviews over the past week, the foreign president has talked about, been asked about this whole retribution seeking. >> he talked about running. i am your retribution. he had said two months ago oh i just want to play some of what he said well, revenge does take time. >> i will say that does. and sometimes revenge can be justified. so i have to be honest, sometimes it can look when this election is over based on what they've done. >> i would have every right to go after them and it's easy because it's joe biden but very terrible thing. >> it's a terrible precedent for our country does that mean the next president does it to them? that's really the question so in terms of if he is president using the levers of the justice department, the fbi, to go after political opponents in a second 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arguments from cnn's as paula reid in a major show of support, hunter's family members and pastor taking up three rows in court today have known the family you don't abandon your friends and family in closing arguments prosecutors pointed to the gallery of supporters and said, those people are not evidence and reminded the jury that no one is above the law. the prosecution directly address the most difficult element they have to prove that hunter biden knowingly lied on a federal background check form when purchasing the gun at the center of this case, the defendant knew he used crack and was addicted to crack at the relevant time period, adding that hunter would have been aware from his time in rehab that he had a problem with drugs maybe if he had never gone to rehab, he could argue he didn't know. he was an addict at the end of his closing, prosecutor leo wise circled back to testimony from hunters daughter, naomi, on friday, when she told the jury that when she returned her father's car to him on october 19, 2018, she did not see any other but in some drugs. but why is reminded the jury, hunter's former girlfriend hallie biden, his brother, beau biden's widow, had testified that when she found the gun in the same car days later, she found it alongside drug paraphernalia defense attorney abbe lowell countered, warning jurors not to convict his client in properly adding it's time to end this case. he compared the trial to a magician's trick, trying to dupe the jury, saying, watch this hand, pay no attention to the other one. >> hey, accused prosecutors of cherry picking evidence to present a more timeline of hunter's drug use and said his client was not lying when he marked down that he was not an addict on that federal form. >> lowell attacks two of hunter's former girlfriends, who both served as prosecution witnesses in this case. he noted zoe kestan took pictures of hunter with drugs, but not in the key month of october 2018. he also reminded the jury that hallie biden could not remember specific details about when she found the gun in hunter's car? and noted hunter was the one who told hallie to file a police report for the missing gun after she threw it out hunter did not take the stand to testify in his own defense in this case, a move that would have come with potential rewards and definite risks the jury will be back here in court tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. to continue their deliberations. it's impossible to say how long it it will take them to reach a decision on these three counts. but i was important earlier today, and then we're also attentive as the judge explain the instructions page by page line by line. these are of course, the rules that they need to follow as they undertake this historic decision anderson. all right. >> thanks so much more now. and how pros and biden mishandling the weight for the verdict and the biden family presence throughout the trial, including the first lady, who in back and forth during the french visit to be in court with her steps on cnn's mj leaves at the white house for us tonight. what are things like at the white house as they await the jury? >> well, you know, the trial of the president's son has been an extraordinarily sensitive issue for this white house. and the president. and it is not a coincidence that the president himself has barely commented on the ongoing trial. we heard him, of course, make a statement at the beginning of the trial thing that he loves his son and that he he is proud of him for showing resilience as he has fought addiction issues and then the other rare exception, of course, was in a recent abc interview where the president was asked asked whether he would pardon his son, whether he would rule that out actually, and his answer, a one word answer was simply yes. he would rule that out. >> the president anderson so it has been really clear that he is going to accept the outcome of the trial no matter what happens, and that he's just not going to comment on his son's case as three is deliberating that of course, is in line with the president sort of broader view that you just don't comment on a trial or a legal proceeding when it is still making its way through the legal system. and i should just note that that is an important area where the president had sought to draw a contrast between himself and the former president whom he has accused of trying to put his thumb on the legal system on an influence in a political way. other areas and other issues at the former president has dealt with this. of course, the president has made clear he sees as being wholly inappropriate. >> mj lee, thanks so much at the white house tonight joining us now cnn legal analyst norm eisen and jennifer rodgers, also former federal judge. sure. shannon lynne norm. what do you make of closing arguments? do you think he's going to get convicted? >> i thought both sides did an able job in closing arguments. the prosecution hammering the evidence that hunter biden and it was using or addicted to drugs before and after this key october 12th, two 23rd period. >> they don't have actual evidence about the de, but they have yes. >> and the judge instructed that you don't have to prove the de you have to show that hunter biden was actually engage aged in using or was an addict around that time and they have him checking into rehab before and after the various witnesses. but anderson, abbe lowell is a very capable defense lawyer and he leaned into that critical gap and the state of mind question this has to be knowing. that means it, hunter biden had to say on purpose, not by mistake i'm not an addict. i'm not a user. and low argues, well, he thought he was not an addict at that time. there's no proof he was using prosecution ahead on points, not impossible. you get a defense verdict or a hung jury what do you think yeah, i agree. i mean, i think they'll probably get a conviction here. there's a very narrow path for the defense to win this. they really do have to lean into this knowingly and they can't prove it on these days, but prosecutors always say, follow your common sense, right? like the guy has been in rehab, people around that time, there's these text messages about dealing and the hallie biden testimony about paraphernalia in the car. and so use your common sense. >> that argument does that make sense to you that well, i didn't think i was an addict on that day. and therefore, i signed this document, say i'm not an addict. >> i think it's the only argument that the defense has. the question is, can the jury accepted? >> and i think contrary my fellows here, i friends here maybe maybe some jury juror or more jurors who are sympathetic to what he's gone through. >> and may have experienced something like that. sometime in their life i'm going to cut him a little slack and say well, on that day, maybe you didn't use so that takes care of the use and as far as being an addict, well, maybe that day he thought he'd come out of it and was no longer an attic because he was doing better even if felt if he fell off two days later so they might have a basis to draw that distinction if they want to, in your experience on the bench, i mean, is it tough for juries to see past this is the son of the president or someone to be famous, very tough, very tough. >> and the fans is a cut one way or the other. >> i mean, i think well, i think it could cut in his favor the families there. it's a high-profile family. somebody might indeed think that he's going through this because of that. and again, as we all know, it only takes one to cause a hung jury. so i'm not as confident as my colleagues that there's going to be a conviction here, but i wouldn't put my money on a non conviction either. >> you the prosecution is aware of this risk because the first thing that prosecutors said in closing was all those people sitting behind the defendant are not evidence that's pretty unusual in my area is that that actually i thought a little aggressive i mean, here are these people there to support him? lots of people on the jurors, the jury have had addiction in their families. and here's his loving family there to support him and they're going to point out of and be like, don't pay attention to those people. i thought it was a little overly aggressive, if anything, it could have i liked it. it could have been it can boomerang because they're going to look over it when he said that, look right over at those three rows. think about parents and sisters and children and all the rest of it. they could just override this if they want to know and there's also some breaking news in trump's classified documents. kids, judge aileen cannon denied a defense's effort to dismiss the indictment, but she also struck a paragraph from jack smith's indictment anderson this was a motion that the defendants had brought attacking this indictment every which way from sunday they lost almost everything. >> and the question we should ask is, why did judge cannon for these relatively easy unexceptional challenges take so long dragging it out. she didn't give one gimme to the defense it's one paragraph, paragraph 36. it has to do with what happened at bedminster that conversation about iran documents. it's there as to give notice that the prosecution is going to introduce prior bad acts, but striking it was virtually or nothing, judge. >> judge. judge, what what's going on? >> well, in my mind, i was pleased that she got this done so fast from may 22 to june in tenth for her is practically speedy. so i was impressed that she didn't sit on this. obvious motion for very long. i have to tell you that motion is made in every case and it's never granted duplicitous snus multiplicities never works but they make it to preserve the record. nobody expects to win those motions. you do it to preserve so it didn't take her all that long to get this one done. >> i mean, given the history of other things, she has been delaying on, are you surprised by the length this thing is dragging out of in general in all the motion. but this motion was relatively fast. that's a good sign. maybe she's hearing us talking about her and she's getting her work done. who knows, but this thought was relatively fast. and as far as that foro for be the similar act is very clear that she had she is saying but at trial, there may be a basis to offer this evidence justice, and belong in the indictment. get it doesn't relate directly to the charge. >> jennifer, does this impact the chance to this thing moving forward faster i mean, the problem is we have so many outstanding motions that are complicated, time-consuming problematic seep emotions, the classified information, protection actin, and so on. >> it's just we're not moving forward in a way that it's good for going to trial. there's just so much should have saved those pages and all those words. >> to resolve the other leg gig motions that she has on her 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third freed hostage says she wants israel and hamas to accept a ceasefire deal has been publicly supported by president biden also tonight we have new video and details of that rescue. >> your cnn's kylie outward this is the view from the helmets of the israel defense forces. >> they unleashed heavy gunfire searching for israeli hostages held by hamas a daring daytime raid that freed four of those kidnapped by hamas on october 7. and held captive ever since it was an operation that took weeks to plan after receiving intelligence that the hostages were being held in apartment buildings inside the nuseirat camp in central gaza, on the way out from gaza, all forces rescued our hostages israeli forces have been preparing for this rescue mission for weeks. and is rarely air force pilot involved in the mission told the jerusalem post that is one of the hostage it is noa argamani got into his helicopter, has units, quote, mantle of composure melted away the magnitude of the moment struck then he quote, immediately reported that the diamond is with us and in good health some of the special forces were disguised as displaced palestinians and members of hamas military wing. eyewitnesses told cnn we're also reports of large gunfire after the hostages were rescued at least 274 palestinians were killed in the operation, and hundreds injured. >> that's according to the gazan the 30s who do not distinguish between civilian and military casualties the israel defense forces dispute that number, saying the death toll was under 100 i want to say thank you. thank god. >> in israel, the families of the hostages express their overwhelming joy and having their loved ones returned safely after eight months in captivity. >> i haven't stopped smiling since my mug was returned to me. >> now is work continues for a ceasefire and hostage deal with 120 hostages still held by hamas there are some fears at this rate could be a setback. >> it's a legitimate question. it's hard for me to put myself in the mindset of a hamas terrorists. we don't know exactly what it is is that they're going to do as secretary of state, antony blinken travels to the middle east to continue ratcheting up pressure on hamas to take the deal. he also isn't sure what hamas will do. >> i can put myself, none of us can put ourselves in the myosin of hamas for its leaders. so we don't know what the answer will be but wall in egypt blinken also said that his egyptian counterparts had been in touch with hamas quite recently. i can't go into the details of our conversations today. except to say that artists and counterparts were in communication with hamas as early as recently as a few hours ago. >> now, during his meeting with prime minister benjamin netanyahu today secretary of state antony blinken can reiterated that the united states and other world leaders stand by that comprehensive proposal that president biden laid out ten days ago, and they say that israel has put on the table for hamas to accept. 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those investigations had already been done and that at this point, we were going to call everybody up an offer them an in-person meeting so that we could say we were regretful all the things that actually sounded amazing. i took these to every single meeting. the coast guard gave norenberg talking points to go over with the former cadet's who had been sexually assaulted. >> an apology tour where they were assured their cases were supposedly being handled properly after all these years, members of congress congrats and staff and dhs have been briefed on the general outline of the investigation, what was found, and what disposition decisions were made. we assured them the hey, we're handling this. we've got this, we're taking this seriously. thanks for coming forward but it turns out actually the coast guard hadn't told congress. >> norenberg didn't know it, but the investigation was quietly closed. so the decades of assault were kept hidden from congress and the public until a cnn investigation revealed at all last summer, victims were never given any recourse. i trusted the coast guard implicitly and i assume that the talking point document they handed me was true i would never have considered that that might be ally. >> the cnn reports about operation fouled anchor have led to multiple federal investigations congressional hearings in an apology from the head of the coast guard, we fail to provide the safe environment that every member of the coast guard deserves. norenberg says, after seeing cnn's report, she feared she had been used in the cover-up. she found the talking points in our files recently, which confirmed it and start to read it. >> and i was like, that's not actually that's not what happened they lied to me. they lied to us they had me lie. oh, my god. they had me lie to them. and actually that's when i lost it because at first i was like, wow, that's crazy. the light and then i was like, wait they used me to. lie bow they planned it as far back as 2018, not to tell anyone about this. >> to protect the precious institution, they be trade the victims of fouled anchor over and over and over. >> this is my boot camp photo. >> norenberg says she was raped by a supervisor when she was an army recruit in 1988 and says she knows how it feels to be told there's nothing that can be done. she is resigning and going public about what happened. the public needs to know this is happening. people sign up to serve their country. this is how they're treated like trash. it's not okay in response to a cnn request for comment, the coast guard says the talking points were created months before the meetings with the cadets. >> and we're not updated then another former coast guard official who was present at the meeting said no victim was informed that congressional notifications occurred. >> i want to tell the victims of fouled anchor how sorry, i am to be a part of this terrible scheme. >> but let me try to make it right now. i'm so sorry. i'm so 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with us. this is a time when the peace process is going through a crucial point absolutely. i mean, we've been hearing from the us was on time now calling for more pressure to be put by their key regional allies on hamas to agree to a ceasefire proposal. >> we heard from hamas yesterday. welcoming, be you when resolution put forward by the united states. but of course, blinken has also been meeting with key figures in israel as all we know he met with benny gantz, who of course, step down from the war cabinet we've heard from benny gantz since saying that he wants to see maximum pressure being applied at all parties to come to some sort of ceasefire agreement. >> but of course we're hearing a lot of mixed messages as well while the united states continues to reiterate that this is an israeli proposal that they believe israel will back this deal. >> we heard yesterday from israel's representative to the united nations, so that is what he has to say to the cameras. >> i just met with the families of the american okay so that's a shame, but we're going to try and get that back. >> he's obviously says he's meeting the families of american hostages. i think that's where he was going. yeah. i mean, getting the hostages out continues to be a key priority for the united states. a key ally of israel that continues to be a key priority. of course, for the israeli government, the israeli prime minister, what we heard yesterday from israel's representative to the united nations is that israel does not want to engage in what they described as meaningless discussions and negotiations with hamas that they will continue with their objective, not only to get all the hostages out from captivity in gaza, but also to completely diminished downgrade hamas to the point where gaza no longer poses a threat going to israel to the state of israel. now of course, that sends somewhat of a mixed message given the fact that biden has presented this peace deal as one that is, and it's really deal that has the backing of the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. and we've heard from the biden administration saying that the us assessment at this stage is that they believe hamas has been downgraded the point where they are no longer able to carry out an attack, such as the attack that we saw on october 7. and of course, this is a three-phase deal which does set out the parameters very peaceful exchange of all the hostages currently held captive by hamas in gaza in exchange for palestinian prisoners. so those parameters are set out in the deal. it is a deal that we've heard from hamas now saying that they welcome that they are willing and ready to work with mediators and negotiators to secure this peace agreement. and of course, what we've inherited from the us for some time now is that the ball is firmly in hamas's cool, but we've also heard from the state department saying that they believe this is a deal which is almost identical to a deal that hamas agree two weeks ago. so the hope is that mediators and the middle east who have been working closely with hamas will be able to secure a firm agreement from hamas whether or not israel agrees to this, that remains to be seen. this is being presented as an israeli deal, but of course prime minister netanyahu is facing mounting pressure from right-wing elements of his coalition who do not want to see this deal approved. they want to see a continuation of the war. >> okay. i will have more on that. and the security council decision last night. but let john thank you. that. but now to two stories dominating the law and justice landscape us the historic meeting between the former president and his probation officers and the child of the current president's son, jury deliberations will resume today in delaware, where hunter biden faces up to 25 years in prison if he's convicted of gun charges, he's pleaded not guilty for the first time ever. former us president has met with his probation officers ahead of sentencing for is 34 felony convictions. the source tells cnn trump's virtual interview was routine and uneventful. another said the former president was polite, respectful, and answered all questions cnn's a brynn gingras, as the details the former president finishing his meeting with a probation officer were told from a source that it lasted about 30 minutes and his camp calling it uneventful now it's notch clear exactly what sort of questions were asked in this meeting, but what is customary is the fact that this always happens after a defendant has either pleaded guilty or is convicted of the crime. >> that they're charged with. we know some of the questions that are asked are about the criminal history of that person, the family background, their financial background, did they ever abuse alcohol? for drugs, things like this? >> what's also not customary in this situation? >> of course, the fact that there is a former president as the person who is being interviewed by the probation office, but also they happen virtually. we know that the former president at mar-a-lago, he was there with his attorney. that was allowed by the judge in this case. now, what's going to happen next is that trump's defense team is going to submit their own sentencing recommendation and both that along with this report made by the probation officer, will be factored in to judge juan, were sean's decision about what sentence trump should face for being convicted on those 34 counts. just a few weeks ago. so we're waiting. of course for that. happened the sentencing date still said or july 11, brynn gingras, cnn, new york. >> the judge in trump's classified documents case refusing to dismiss a number of charges against the former president and his two co-defendants, judge aileen cannon did agree that some of the language in the indictment was legally unnecessary and should be removed trump is accused of keeping classified documents. so this florida resort, after he left the white house, he has claimed at various points that he didn't have the documents. he declassified the documents just by thinking about it. and that he had the right to keep the documents. the delaware courtroom, where hunter biden's federal gun trial. meanwhile, is being held, was packed with supporters of the president's son on monday. both sides presented closing arguments during the historic case, making their final appeals to the jurors cnn's paula reid has the highlights from day six of the trial in a major show of support, hunter's family members and pastor taking up three rows in court today have known the family you don't abandon your friends and family tough time. >> in closing arguments, prosecutors pointed to the gallery of supporters and said, those people are not evidence and reminded the jury that, quote, no one is above the law, the prosecution directly address the most difficult element they have to prove that hunter biden knowingly lied on a federal background check form when purchasing the gun at the center of this case, the defendant knew he used crack and was addicted to crack at the relevant time period adding that hunter would have been aware from his time in rehab that he had a problem with drugs maybe if he had never gone to rehab, he could argue he didn't know. he was an addict at the end of his closing, prosecutor, leo wise circled back to testimony from hunters daughter, naomi, on friday, when she told the jury that when she returned or fathers card him on october 19, 2018, she did not see any evidence of drugs, but why is reminded the jury hunter's former girlfriend, hallie biden, his brother, beau biden's widow, had testified that when she found the gun in the same car days later, she found it alongside drug paraphernalia defense attorney abbe lowell countered, warning jurors not to convict his client in properly adding it's time to end this case. he compared the trial to a magician's trick trying to dupe the jury, saying, watch this hand, pay no attention to the other one he accused prosecutors of cherry picking thinking evidence to present a more timeline of hunter's drug use and said his client was not lying when he marked down that he was not an addict on that federal form. lowell attack, two of hunter's former girlfriends who both served as prosecution witnesses in this case. >> he noted zoe kestan took pictures of hunter with drugs, but not in the key month of october 2018, he also reminded the jury that hallie biden could not remember specific details about when she found the gun in hunter's car and noted hunter was the one who told hallie to file a police report for the missing after she threw it out. >> hunter did not take the stand to testify in his own defense in this case, a move that would have come with potential rewards and definite risks the jury will return to court at 9:00 a.m. on tuesday to continue deliberations now is in court monday morning as the jury heard instructions from the judge, she went through line by line explaining the rules that they have to follow as they undertake this historic decision. paula reid, cnn, wilmington, delaware, joining from new york criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor pinata, via luna. thank you so so much for joining us. why is it historic this case? because it isn't the president? >> it's still even though it's not the precedent, we're talking about, the president's son eighth, sit president son that's on trial, right now. i just to think that because it's a federal case, max biden, president biden, if hunter biden work to be convicted, he asked her ability to pardon him already said that he's not willing to part is his own son. he wants to make sure that people trust in our criminal justice system and that there's no favorites is but it's a historic moment in the sense that we are dealing with a sit-in president's son is on trial on felony charges and could possibly face jail which way do you think the jury appears to be going based on their responses to the judge so it depends. >> there haven't been any jury nodes, but it depends on are you judging this case based on sympathy? if you're not judging the case on sympathy and just on plain facts, and if we weren't dealing going with the son of a sitting president, doesn't the prosecution has proven this case beyond a reasonable doubt, not directly, but circumstantially with the testimony of hallie biden, with the testimony of the cocaine residue, haven't been recovered with testimony having to deal with biden's own words in his memory that he is a crack addict, was a crack addict at the time dealing with the text messages, those stories, dealing with a witness testimony, i think in its totality that the prosecution, the government has proven that hunter biden, it's guilty of being in possession of this firearm, haven't been under the influence. i'm not a codex and also lying on that formula to update that by r. >> so what sort of sentence would you get from those parts of the trial so if hunter biden were to be convicted, he can face anywhere up to 25 years if he's convicted on all three of the couch highly own likely that he will see anything near 25 years. >> the judge has sentencing guidelines where it's recommended what is possible sentence good. because hunter biden doesn't have a criminal record because hunter biden, at this point now he said he has been cleaned because hunter biden also was dealing with a dependency on narcotic dependency, who's quite honestly it drug addiction that's been put on entre i think he can face anywhere from probation up until maybe a year or two years years in jail. my recommendation quite honestly is that this case does not is not deserving of any jail sentence. if anything, we're dealing with a drug program that hunter biden should go through quite nicely. i think this prosecution shouldn't have gone forward initially remained as a deferred prosecution disposition how might the president be implicated as part of this trial were not at all. >> i mean, he hasn't been mentioned in this trial aside from being a father of hunter biden, here we're dealing with a drug addiction. we know that unfortunately, hunter biden was going through some dark times and even admitted it. that's why he wrote that book. but to try to get others to get some insight as to what it is to go through a drug addiction. but there's no mention of president biting in this case. we know outside of the courtroom there has been mentioned having to deal with that laptop, but inside of the courtroom, he's not playing oh, role. it's not supposed to be playing a role and to deliberations and has nothing to do with the charges itself you'll see in america a, your a legal expert, but you also in america aware of the trump cases as well is there a way that donald trump can use this case against president biden campaign oh, absolutely. he's already using it and he's used it in a past. i've been to deal with wears hunter biden especially doing his first time when he was running for president, actually a second time when he was running for president to try to take the is a away from what his insufficiencies are. instead focusing on president biden is saying that look, his son is on drugs, his son was participating and illegal activity that his son had some shady dealings with people well outside of america so of course to his people, that is what he's arguing. but of course, when you look at it and the eyes and the legal eyes, there's nothing having to deal with president biden and hunter biden, any illegality that's they're having to stem from these charges okay. >> pinata villa in new york, as ever. thank you so much for joining us now, spokesperson for giuliani predicts the former trump attorney. i will be fully vindicated. officials in arizona released his mug shot on monday or two, he posted a $10,000 cash bond giuliani and ten others have pleaded not guilty to charges of conspiring to overturn the 2020 presidential election in arizona prosecutors spent weeks trying to track him down and eventually found him based on some of his own podcast, giuliani was served last month in palm beach, florida. at his 80th birthday party do you have any regrets about what you did in arizona after the election? oh, my goodness. no. why not? i'm very, very proud of it. >> there was a substantial amount of vote for the one on here that was covered up probably one of the biggest conspiracies in american history and i think that's coming out over and over again new bombshell testimony and the bribery and corruption trial in new jersey, senator bob menendez businessman jose uribe, took the stand on monday, claiming he spoke directly to the senator and asked him to help quash a criminal investigation into one his associates who testified menendez agreed to quote, look into it, though he didn't specify what exactly he would do rebate also spoke about a 2019 deal. >> he made with the senators, then future 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park public holiday in china to place on monday involving these for educators from iowa's cornell college wounded in the stabbing incident while in jilin city. that's in the northeastern china. and china's foreign ministry in the lab that's our has weighed in. it says that the four americans are quote, received proper treatment and are in stable condition. now, we have video of the aftermath of this stabbing. it's bring it up for you and in this video, which was widely circulating on chinese social media, but taken down, you see three people wounded. they're lying on the ground in they can part in jilin city. we have blurred the video because of its graphic nature, but these individuals are covered in blood. they're there waiting for first responders the wounded individual in front is pressing his hand on the back of his waist and the three are conscious. they are awake, they're using their smartphones to try to reach out, get help and to reach others. now, the brother of one of the wounded americans, we have this photograph. his name is david zab nar, the brothers says that the visa abner is doing well now, the condition of the other three individuals at this moment not known, but according to china's ministry of foreign affairs, they say that they are in stable condition now, the ministry of foreign affairs also cited police saying that the stabbing was in isolated incident and investigations are ongoing. now, the president of cornell university, excuse me, cornell college, the four are in china because they're therefore a partnership with beizhan university and jonathan brand sent a statement to cnn. we have part of that statement for you. he said this quote, we have been in contact with all four instructors and are assisting them during this time, unquote, a brand says that they were with a patient faculty member when the stabbing took place and that there were no students taking part in the program. now, the us state department says, it's aware of reports of this incident and it's monitoring the situation. now, the stabbing has been trending high on chinese social media this day with a number of posts getting censored and some netizens have been calling it a terrible incident with some saying this, it's bring up some examples for you, quote, this current in state, a public security is not supposed to let such a thing happen. it will definitely further hinder foreigners from visiting china unquote. now, china, especially compared to the west, has low rates of violent crime, public attacks against foreigners are rare. this incident comes as xi jinping is trying to boost person to person exchanges, get more us students just to come to try to but this is going to have a chilling effect. one more point that we heard from ministry of foreign affairs spokesperson insisting that china is quote, when the safest countries in the world back to you, max kristie. thank you. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy is in berlin to attend the crane recovery conference. mr. zelensky says the top priority for the conference will be ukraine's battered energy sector ukrainians have dealt with widespread blackouts for more than two years because russian forces have relentlessly targeted ukrainian power stations with airstrikes. but on the eve of the conference, the head of ukraine's agency for restoration and infrastructure development announce his stepping down. claire sebastian joins us now because this exposes some internal tensions. >> yeah. and look, it's not the headline that's key. once going into this conference where he's hoping to convince allies and foreign corporations to pay more to find ukraine's reconstructions. so this is most often am he is the head of the agency for restoration, infrastructure, development, and he is saying that the reason he's stepping down is because he feels he was unable to do his job because of all the roadblocks that were put up in front of him by the government. you could talks about bureaucratic nightmares, constant opposition, and resistance, which he says that the delays in getting projects off the ground which undermined ukraine's defense. so some pretty allegations. he also says he was prevented from attending this reconstruction conference this week, which may of course have been the last straw. no response officially from the government on this, but this is just a month after the minister for infrastructure was actually dismissed from his post. so ukraine will likely face some questions on this way. these two key reconstruction officials are not at this conference when as we know, questions of accountability of management of aid have been crucial all along. but because zelenskyy, who is already in berlin, he's met with the german president. we've seen him now with chancellor olaf scholtz. this will be about the big picture convincing allies that they need not only money for reconstruction, but more immediately for things like air defenses. and of course repairing that electricity grid, which probably couldn't come at a more difficult time because we just have those european elections and chancellor scholtz, like other leaders in france and italy, for example, i've got a very clear message that many voters aren't happy with the amount of money going into ukraine. yeah, i look, i think that's part of what came out as we saw the far-right do so well in these european elections, particularly in these key countries, like germany and france, is that there is a political reality of donor fatigue, right? and there are people who are now looking at the amount of money that they're having to spend on their daily lives. the result of inflation and all of that. and translating that into opposition towards aid for ukraine. so that is something that lenski we'll have to face. this is the third annual reconstruction conference, but the first one to happen in an eu country. so he will be hoping to really put that message across that ukraine is able 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four hostages held in gaza. as new video gives us a sense of what that raid looked like on the ground. cnn's kylie atwood has more this is the view from the helmets of the israel defense forces. >> they unleashed heavy gunfire, searching for israeli hostages held by hamas a during daytime raid that freed four of those kidnapped by hamas on october 7 and held captive ever since. it was an operation that took weeks to plan after receiving intelligence that the hostages were being held hold an apartment buildings inside the nuseirat camp in central gaza on the way out from gaza. all forces rescued our hostages israeli forces have been preparing for this rescue mission for weeks and is rarely air force pilot involved in the mission told the jerusalem post, that is one of the hostages, noa argamani got into his helicopter, has units, quote, mantle of composure melted away the magnitude of the moment struck then he quote immediately reported that the diamond is with us and in good health, some of the special forces were disguised as displaced palestinians and members of hamas military wing, eye eyewitnesses told cnn there were also reports of large gunfire after the hostages were rescued at least 274 palestinians were killed in the operation and hundreds injured. >> that's according to the gazan authorities who do not distinguish between civilian and military casualties the israel defense forces dispute that number, saying the death toll was under one 100. >> i want to say thank you. thank god. >> in israel, the families of the hostages express their overwhelming joy and having their loved ones returned safely after eight months in captivity. >> i haven't stopped smiling since my mug was returning to me now is work continues for a ceasefire and hostage deal with 120 hostages still held by hamas there are some theories at this rate, could be a setback it's a legitimate question. >> i it's hard for me to put myself in the mindset of a hamas terrorists. we don't know exactly what it is that they're going to do as secretary of state, antony blinken travels to the middle east to continue ratcheting up pressure on hamas to take the deal. he also isn't sure what hamas will do. >> i can't put myself none of us can put ourselves suppose on the minds of hamas or its leaders. so we don't know what the answer will be. >> but wall in egypt, blinken also said that his egyptian counterparts had been in touch with hamas quite recently. >> i can't go into the details of our conversations today except to say that artists in counterparts were in communication with hamas as early, as recently as a few hours ago now, during his meeting with prime minister benjamin netanyahu today, secretary of state antony blinken, ria there are rated that the united states and other world leaders stand by that comprehensive proposal that president biden laid out ten days ago, and they say that israel has put on the table people for hamas to accept. >> but so long as this period of uncertainty is extended, as us and other countries are waiting for hamas to respond to that proposal. the united states is concerned about the possibility of netanyahu changing his mind and deciding to reject that proposal, even though he signed off on it before it initially finally went to hamas joining me, not is back with more and what blinken was saying in the last few minutes. we know that blinken has been holding intensive discussions with his counterparts in the middle east, including of course, in israel with regards to this ongoing ceasefire negotiation. but he also spoke about, of course american families of hostages held captive by hamas in gaza saying that they were hopeful, of course, given the rescue of four hostages. over the course of what was unfortunately a deadly raid in gaza over the weekend, take a listen. 20th i just met with the families of the american hostages in gaza have the option to meet with him many times now on every trip here, the region when they visited but in washington and as always, it's an incredibly powerful thing. it's hard for any of us to put ourselves in there shoes to feel what they've been feeling these many, many long months they were elated at the the rescue of four hostages just a couple of days ago but they continue to feel deeply power roughly this enduring separation from their loved ones men and women civilian and soldier a lot i've and deceased. >> but for me all of the ha students, but especially are eight american family let's who have loved ones in gaza we are determined to bring them home the proposal that president biden put forward is the best way to do that with regards to that peace proposal put forward by the united states, we also heard from lincoln just then going on to say, that he had met with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, that he had reaffirmed his support for this peace proposal, which the united states has framed as and israeli proposal. >> we haven't yet heard a direct and public show of support from the israeli government for this peace proposal. in fact, yesterday, we have been hearing some mixed messages at the un security council. we heard from israel's representative to the un saying that israel would not engage in meaningless, endless negotiations with hamas, the objectives the israeli government and military remain the same that they want to see the full destruction of hamas and the full return of all hostages held captive in gaza of course, in this three-phase peace proposal laid out by the united states at the un security council there on the parameters, the provisions for the full release of israeli hostages held captive by hamas it's in gaza. in exchange of palestinian prisoners, but it also calls for the full withdrawal of israeli troops from gaza for the return of palestinian civilians to all parts of the gaza strip. and of course, what hamas wants to see ensured in this ceasefire agreement is the territorial integrity of the gaza strip. and of course, no demographic shifts crucially within the gaza strip. now, what we have heard so far from hamas is a statement yesterday of the back of that resolution vote saying that they welcome the deal. as you mentioned, they want to carry on with discussions with mediators that they are open to those ongoing discussions remains to be seen whether they issue a full and firm agreement to this deal. but we also haven't seen that fall and firm agreement by the israeli government, the us continues to reiterate that they believe that the israeli government will back this deal. but of course we've been hearing at different messages from those far-right elements of prime minister netanyahu's coalition, who do not want to see this deal being signed thank you before she's in malawi are searching for missing military aircraft which was carrying the country's vice president in line. other people the plane left malawi's capital shortly after 9:00 a.m. local time monday. but never arrived. at its destination and authorities have failed to make contacts in as larry madowo following this from nairobi and apparently whether may be a factor here, larry that is the big thing here are those bad weather yesterday, according to president lazarus, to quadra. >> and that continues today. we now know that the search and rescue operation has entered de two. it's an air and ground operation. in the last hour, the malawi defense force has given an update on what's going on. they say their search and rescue is getting hampered by this uninhabited area where believed they believe this plane could have crashed. it's a rough and thick to rein in the chikunga forest they're also saying that this morning they had again bad weather conditions. the arrows foggy access has been difficult, but they have 200 soldiers actively searching for this plane carrying malawi's vice president and nine others. they also have the malawi police civil aviation authorities, and some forestry service officers. all actively involved in this operation. they using aircraft, fixed wing and roger aircraft, as well as some drones to try and locate this aircraft. this should have been an hour-long flight from the long with them allowing capital tomb zoos in the northern region but what happened next? here's president lazarus chakwera overnight explaining however, upon arrival and mzuzu, the pilot, was unable to land the plane due to poor visibility occasioned by bad weather and the action authorities advise their craft to return duly long way but they authorities soon lost contact with the aircraft. >> but i want to assure you that i am sparing no available resource to find that plane and i am holding on to every fiber of hope that we will find survivors it's been more than 24 hours now, so sadly, those chances of finding survivors, looking increasingly slim malawi has reached out to neighboring countries for assistance and also to the us, to the uk, to norway, into israel. and so far the us embassy in 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>> judges have to be careful not to inject their own views into the interpretation of the constitution and for that matter into the interpretation of statutes. that's not the job we are given. it's not authority we are given. >> it's not the authority we are given. that's not the job we are given. alito at least knew then what his job he entailed. despite all his actions and statements he also apparently cannot stand those who claim he's not living up to those standards. as he told the wall street journal, everyone is free to express disagreement with our decisions and to criticize our reasoning as they see fit. saying or implying the court is becoming an legitimate institution are questioning our integrity crosses the line. he wants to be revered as an impartial judge. as this new tape and his time on the bench has shown, especially the last several weeks and months, he's more of a player, actively engaged in one side struggle to win. he has given every reason to expect this from him given these actions that also doesn't mean it's something we should or need to accept. the formal president of the naacp defense fund and the chair in civil rights a howard university and she joins me now. i always want to know what you are thinking but as i listen to these tapes, i wanted to know what are you thinking as you are listening. we are all guilty of becoming numb two things. how big of a deal is this? >> i think it's a big deal. it's a big deal and the cumulative cents, as you point out, this is not a colloquy that floats around in the air not surrounded by plenty of context. we have seen these statements from justice alito, not only in his decisions, but when he went to rome after the dobbs decision, we have heard him in similar ways. what is it that's disturbing about this particular excerpt of this conversation, there are two things i think. one, the way in which he was bantering back and forth with this woman who we didn't know was taping him in a way that suggested sympathy to her position. she was saying some pretty extreme things. probably the worst of it was when she said we have to work to move this country back towards godliness. he said, i agree with you. that to me is a very shocking statement. i do not think that is his charge as a supreme court justice to suggest he believes the country needs to move toward godliness. she spoke often of what it was like in the past and we need to return to some period in which things were more moral and he was agreeing with her. i do not know what period they were referring to. a period in which there was much more religious talk in american life but there was also talk of keeping black people out of schools. what was the time period? i think all of this, the reason why it's important is because the standard is a reasonable person standard and justice alito raised it himself when he refused to recuse himself from a variety of cases. he said because a reasonable person knowing all the facts, that's what he said about the flag controversy. when we probe, we realize we do not know all the facts and the facts he has told us are not necessarily the accurate facts. we learned that from the flag flying issue when justice alito gave a line that does not add up. now, the reasonable person would reasonably believe perhaps that this justice is not impartial. that is the standard for recusal, but we will never get there unless parties actual file motions to recuse. that's why i am hoping this will show the united states which is the party and trump privilege case and others that they have to have the courage to demand that these justices come forward in the context of recusal and explain themselves. we are not going to get it from sending letters to the justices and we will not get it from having the justices just recuse themselves because they will not do it. we need to get serious. we also need hearings from the senate judiciary committee to get to the bottom of this. this is quite serious. quite disturbing. quite alarming, and it's not illegitimate to question the legitimacy of the court when we have had this barrage across the line conduct and misstatements and disclosures that would call into question the impartiality of any court. >> yeah. one of the things it was striking to me too is how he blames the erosion of trust in the court. he blames it on all sorts of things. i was reminded of this today that he said in 2023 and then talk about it with you. >> it's easy to blame the media, but i do blame them because they do nothing but criticize us. and so, they have really eroded trust in the court. >> i mean it's pretty rich given his actions and his own words. it's not the first time he's blamed someone else. his wife, everyone attacking him. what is that about? i want to ask you, what should people be doing if they are outraged about this as well? >> i find this mortifying. i am embarrassed for the court. we hear it with clarence thomas when he talks about the nastiness in washington, d.c. and we hear what alito. it's the media that eroded trust in the supreme court. no,'s the stream preet -- supreme court that eroded trust. this teenage refusal to take responsibility for their actions is incredibly alarming and disturbing. i put that at the feet of chief justice roberts. he is running the court. if i were running an institution and something extraordinary happened that like the dobbs case which is something that never happened before in the history of the court, a decision was leaked to the public. i wouldn't just be trying to get to the bottom of who leaked it. as vigorously as possible. i would want to understand what we created in our culture that encouraged such a breach of culture and protocol. all of these things should require the court to self reflect, look at themselves. why you have a justice on the court like clarence thomas who is not making the appropriate disclosures? he's making them now that he has been found out. it has nothing to do with the media. the media is doing its job. the media has been quite kind to the supreme court including around the flag issue which we didn't hear until three years later. it is not the media and the justices have to stop being stubborn teenagers and take responsibility for their actions. this is where the leadership of the chief comes in. when the chief allows a code of conduct, a voluntary code, as he allowed several months ago, a code so much weaker than the code that holds all other federal judges, he is essentially allowing and creating this culture of impunity in which they create rules that accommodate the actions they have already taken. we have a real problem, ethical problem on the supreme court. i blame us. i blame congress. we have failed. we have counted on the good behavior and the norms of the supreme court instead of putting in place real rules they have to follow and congress does have the power to be able to issue a code of ethics for the united states supreme court, and they should do so. we cannot blame this on the justices. we can't blame it on trump. we can't blame it on anything else but the belief that norms are not. they are not -- they are not enough and we have to get serious about what kinds of protections we need in place for the integrity of the nation's highest court. >> the norms are no more. lots of homework including from chief roberts. sherrilyn ifill, thank you for joining me. coming up, pennsylvania governor josh shapiro joins me to talk about terms conviction and his promises of revenge. the former president of the presumptive nominee had a meeting with his probation officer today. it doesn't get normal to say. we will tell you what he was likely asked about and how it can affect his sentencing. what is cirkul? 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>> i think what you probably saw, and it's only 30 minutes. it's a short interview, but you probably saw todd blanche taking the lead to trotta highlight positive aspects of donald trump's character that they think are mitigating circumstances and things they think are going to show he is dashes supervision. his criminal conduct which he denies, there's no victim here. i think the probation officer needs to look closer because her are victims. the american people were victims by not getting information that he was paying off the adult film star that could have affected the election outcome. other things he will focus on, i was a former president of the united states. i performed a great public service and should take that into account and that's mitigating. he committed some of this crime , signing those checks, to reimburse michael cohen from the oval office. you can argue it's an aggravating factor. he will say he's a first-time offender. who else is a first-time offender? michael cohen and he was sentenced in jail for the same conduct. he will point to the fact he is old. allen weisselberg is essentially the same age and he is in rikers. a lot of the factors i expect todd blanche trotta highlight in this interview and its going to be on the prosecutors to make their case separately to the probation office in presenting the facts, the trial record showing all those gag order violations, to show he is not following the court's ureters and he will not follow the orders of probation so sentence him to jail. >> a lot of things to argue. i mentioned one of the standard lines of questioning, i believe, during one of these meetings is whether the person convicted of a felony associates with criminals. trump has a number of people who fall into that category. i presume he will say no. i do not know what he said but what if he does associate with convicted criminals? are the repercussions? >> there are. if he were sentenced to a term probation, there would be terms to that. among them is he cannot associate with other convicted felons. steve bannon for example is somebody was convicted for criminal contempt and has a trial that will start in a few months before judge merchan on a separate fraud case. with someone like that, who he has not pardoned because he pardoned a number of other criminals, he has not pardoned, he would not be able to associate with and these are people that likely involved in his campaign and he would want to associate with. figure he will do that through intermediaries if he is sentenced to probation. >> thank you for explaining this to us and helping us understand it. donald trump is not going to be able to end democracy on his own. he will need help and lots of help is available. we will introduce you to someone who could be his chief of staff who has chilling plans. josh shapiro joins me to talk about the ways in which the rule of law will be on the ballot in 2024. ever since a jury of 12 americans convicted donald trump on 34 felony counts, trump and his republican allies used it as an opportunity to spin up their plans for revenge. you know. justifiable retribution against their perceived enemies. >> what's good for the goose is good for the gander. i encourage all my colleagues as a member of congress to aggressively go after the president and his family. >> is every house committee controlled by republicans using subpoena power in every way it needs to right now with every republican da starting every investigation they need to now? >> should democrats be in jail. should he lock them up in jail? >> would that be a terrible thing. but they want to do it. it's a terrible terrible path they are leading us to and it's possible that it will have to happen to them. >> so, in their description, as you heard, it's about karma. fighting fire with fire. that is the story they are telling over and over. it's the one far too many writers are running with. in the media, the story tends to be framed as follows. will trump seek revenge for his legal travails or won't he? but that framing unwittingly lets trump set the terms of the debate and applies he is vowing to do to democrats what was done to him. you see, obviously, there's a big difference between what happened to trump and what he is promising to do to democrats or anyone he is mad at. despite what he and his allies claim, trump was legitimately investigated, indicted, tried, and convicted unanimously by a jury of his peers. 12 everyday americans. there was a legal basis and evidence for all of it presented during the trial. what trump and his allies want is not that kind of deliberative due process. they are not trying to hold people accountable for actual wrongdoing. they are trying to reshape the american justice system to make it a tool to go after democrats or anyone who has done trump wrong. political prosecutions were major goal for the maga movement longer for trump got indicted or convicted. i was reminded this weekend, the washington post published a eye-popping piece on influential figure in trump eye orbit that you might not be familiar with. i had never heard of the guy he there. is a former director of the office of management and budget and his name is russ vought. according to the piece, he's a potential chief of staff in a trump term and could wield a lot of power. a self-proclaimed christian nationalist who departs at the heritage foundation project 2025 on how to remake the executive branch in a trump presidency. in september 2022, before trump got indicted or entered the presidential race, he wrote an essay saying the left dragged american 28, quote, constitutional moment saying it was time for the right to reinterpret the constitution and a radical new way. he encouraged conservatives to, quote, throw up residents and legal paradigms that have wrongly developed over the last two -- 200 years. in their place he laid out plans for, quote, donald trump to deploy the military to quash civil unrest, seize control over the justice department, and this is the power to withhold congressional appropriations. is just on his first day back in office. he's not calling for accountability through due process of the law to hold people accountable. he wants to reshape the system for the purpose of punishing trump's perceived enemies. last year, he told the heritage foundation crowd, quote, the department of justice is not an independent agency. if anyone brings it up in a policy meeting, i want them out of the meeting. this is the larger picture outside of the news cycle and latest public and cash republican reactions. the republican line of fight fire with fire you hear over and over again is really cover for a frightening plan to overhaul the justice system and the executive branch at large. by the way, it predates trump's convictions and indictments. it's what they've had in mind all along. pennsylvania governor josh shapiro joins me next. switch to shopify and sell smarter at every stage of your business. take full control of your brand with your own custom store. scale faster with tools that let you manage every sale from every channel. and sell more with the best converting checkout on the planet. a lot more. take your business to the next stage when you switch to shopify. oooh! i can't wait for this family getaway! shingles doesn't care. shingles is a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. ahhh, there's nothing like a day out with friends. that's nice, but shingles doesn't care! 99% of adults 50 years or older already have the virus that causes shingles inside them, and it can reactivate at any time. a perfect day for a family outing! guess what? 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the system where every american is accountable to the same set of laws or we would we prefer where the president can prosecute whomever he chooses simply because he does not like them. the election will be about a lot of things. that is definitely one of them. joining me is pennsylvania governor josh shapiro, previously the state attorney general. i am grateful you are here. i want to start with i laid out. this idea that donald trump and his allies are bowing but they are telling supporters is simply fighting fire with fire. you did something it to our guy and we will come after you. to me, when you look at the specifics of their plans, it feels like that's not the right description. it's not just revenge but a plan to reshape the system to go after their enemies. last week you said something that struck me. you said i am scared to death the fees in charge of the system. i want to ask you what you mean by that or what do you expect, what worries you what could happen to the system? >> i am deeply concerned by this system. it's why we should not put the country at risk by putting donald trump back in charge, back in charge of the justice system, back in charge of our military. donald trump came out of those 34 convictions doing what he always does when he gets in legal trouble. a cut and paste job if you will. i remember this from my time as attorney general, he complains, he bemoans the fact that he lost and makes up excuses and tries to pivot away from personal responsibility. i was the attorney general in pennsylvania where he and his allies took us to court 43 different times to stop certain people from voting and stop vote from being cast. he went sero-43. we protected the will of law and the people. trump wants to come back and as he said exact revenge. the idea he would be put in charge of the justice system and have people surrounding him that are trying to get his perceived enemies should scare all americans. it's another example of the kind of chaos that he would inflict on the country if he is given the opportunity to lead this nation again. we have always been a nation that respects the rule of law, respects our institutions. trump tried to undermine our faith in one another and faith in the institutions. we didn't let him get away with it in 2020 and i hope we don't let him get away with it in 2024 and i will do everything in my power to ensure he is not successful and our institutions stand and hold. >> let me ask you about something you alluded to which is the takeover of the justice system. i think when people hear that, they think it's a reshuffling of the government. what does it mean? i talked about russ vought, this figure in trump's world. he could be his chief of staff. who s. this is a man who has openly said he does not believe the department of justice is an independent agency. i want to ask you, what is the danger of that? sometimes it feels like bureaucracy but it's more than that. >> it's a lot more than bureaucracy. it's dangerous if he controls the bureaucracy as well. think of the justice department. he would have the power to criminally prosecute people who did not do anything wrong but are his enemies. go after companies that he disagreed with. the products they are selling the manner in which they are conducting themselves. to use the justice department to strip away people's liberties and rights and freedoms and undermine the constitution. ignore the courts. essentially, have his way with the good people of this nation, which should scare everybody. in 2016 after donald trump was running, he and most people didn't know what they were doing and there were a few people around him the provided guardrails for his chaotic conduct. now those people who might provide those guardrails, they are gone and a lot of the dangers people around him know how the bureaucracy works. knows how the justice system works and knows how the military works. if he is given the opportunity to lead the nation again with this people around him who want to do real danger and take away your fundamental freedoms, that should scare the hell out of everybody and that's not the chaos we want in this country. >> it's the people who know how to manipulate it and the plans being written and a lot are online. keeping with the legal discussion, want to ask about the supreme court. we talked about the supreme court and justice samuel alito and this audio where he agreed there should be a fight to return the country to a place of godliness. this comes on the heels of reporting of a flag outside his house that's associated with january 6 and serious ethical scandals around thomas. lots of things. it feels like there is a credibility crisis for the supreme court. i want to ask you, what is the solution? >> remember, this is the court that donald trump packed in order to take away a woman's right to choose. in order to meet my daughter and other women out there have fewer rights today than they were born with. this is purposeful on donald trump's part to pack the court with these people that want to restrict our freedom. people who have their own agendas. justice alito is showing his agenda. by the way he flies his flags and apparently the way he runs his mouth as well. what the american people need to do is take that into consideration when they go vote this november. you want to give donald trump the ability to appoint more samuel alito's and clarence thomas's to the court? you want to give him the ability to put more people on the court who will take away our fundamental freedoms? justice thomas wrote in that opinion that abortion is really just the beginning. the fundamental reasoning, foundational reasoning used to overturn it could be applied in other ways. could be used to restrict your ability to marry who you love and undermine her ability to take the medications that you and your doctor want you to take. i fear this was just the beginning and of donald trump is given the ability to lead this nation again, but more those justices on the court, it will not only set us back for 40 years. the stakes are so high in this election. while donald trump and joe biden's names are on the ballot, and it's a binary choice. don't let anybody tell you there are others on the ballot who have no chance of winning. it's a binary choice between donald trump and joe biden, but in many ways it's not about those two. it's about the country we want for ourselves whether we value freedom, whether we care about our institutions, whether we believe that we have to move forward to brighter days are go back to a very dark time. this election is a referendum and reflection on all of us and we have a responsibility to turn out and get others to turn out who will stand up against the kind of extremism we've seen on the supreme court and in the white house with trump and instead stand up for freedom. stand up for our fundamental values that continue to move the country forward. >> i have to ask you about pennsylvania. in addition to a legal expert, you are a governor and you know your state well. it has not been that long since these convictions stash we have seen impact in the polls. there's a lot of things on the ballot and on voters minds. is you talk to voters, do you think trump's convictions is going to be an issue that will influence people to are on the fence or have it come to joe biden at this point in your state? >> i don't know how the conviction will ultimately play out. the good people of pennsylvania, they care whether in rural or urban or suburban communities about basic things. they want good schools. safe communities. economic opportunities and they want their freedoms to be protected. you know what? i think they want to be led by someone who is honest and decent. someone who is on their side like joe biden. all they hear from donald trump is a bunch of whining about this country. i think trump has to quit whining and trying to divide us. we are producing more energy than ever before in this nation. we have the strongest economy in the world, and we are beating china for the first time in decades. more people went to work this morning in america than at any other time in the nation my ski history. i've got a message to donald trump and his negativity and whining, stop talking about america. it's the greatest country on earth and it's time we start acting like it. the good people of pennsylvania understand this is a great country. understand we've got a whole lot going for us, and it's time to continue this path of progress that joe biden has laid out and not go back to a negative time. not listen to the whining of the former president and instead focus on a positive future for all of us. >> quit your whining. that's a good message. thank you so much. i always enjoy talking to you. ♪♪ big story to tell. ♪♪ ♪♪ i take once-daily jardiance ♪♪ ♪♪ at each day's staaart. ♪♪ ♪♪ as time went on it was easy to seeee, ♪♪ ♪♪ i'm lowering my a1c! ♪♪ jardiance works twenty-four seven in your body to flush out some sugar. and for adults with type 2 diabetes and known heart disease, jardiance can lower the risk of cardiovascular death, too. serious side effects may include ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration that can lead to sudden worsening of kidney function, and genital yeast or urinary tract infections. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking jardiance and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, ketoacidosis, or an allergic reaction. you may have an increased risk for lower limb loss. call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of infection in your legs or feet. taking jardiance with a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar. ♪♪ jardiance is really swell ♪♪ ♪♪ the little pill with a big story to tell! ♪♪ we don't know how many americans will be moved by donald trump's conviction when it's all said and done. there are some early signs that the verdict be swaying some former trump voters. this is what we heard from two time trump voters in a focus group. >> criminals should not be in charge. if they violate the laws, then they should be subject to exactly the same rose that all of us expected to abide to. >> he should serve jail time. penalty for the crime. they will negotiate and renegotiate and maybe he won't serve time, but he will get more time on television right here at election time. >> to underscore, that's two time trump voters saying lock him up. >> you just saw sarah, she conducted the focus group you just heard. dan is a former communications director for president barack obama. i want to start with the thing stash we only played one clip but that was from the two time trump voters who want trump held accountable it sounds like. the big leap year is they want him to be held accountable but are they turned off by trump or will they vote for biden instead or do we know that yet? >> in this particular group, five of the nine people in the group all of them two time trump voters, five were going to vote for biden. i think there's a lot of people who think somebody who voted for donald trump twice seem like a long shot for getting them to vote for biden. it's important to understand that for a section of voters who held their nose and vote for donald trump twice, and then saw what happened on january 6, saw donald trump's claims and lies about the election, they were already -- that was a redline for them. they were pretty far out. what the conviction does is it moves them from, and i hear this a lot from two time trump voters who are really upset by january 6, i'm not going to vote or i will leave it blank. for some voters with the conviction did as he got them to a place where they said this guy is unfit to be in the white house so i will vote for biden not because i want to vote for him or because i want to vote for a democrat because i will vote for anybody that will keep donald trump out of the white house because he is that dangerous. you are always in the selection especially with swing voters who are center-right, for them you're not building a pro joe biden coalition. you're building a anti-trump coalition. as trump gets back in people's consciousness which is a lot of what's happening with the conviction, people are remembering, i don't like that guy. you are seeing a shift in voters before they were focused on negative things they thought about biden and now they are remembering the negative things they do not like about trump. >> it so interesting to watch her focus groups. dan, you and i know well there's big moments in campaigns. we have seen the campaign sharpening the rhetoric around the convictions. there's a difference between what the campaign says, and what the candidates say. when you look to the debate coming up, a couple weeks from now, what should the president be saying? he is trying to appeal to those voters and base voters who are not excited. what is the right framing of language? >> the conviction is the elephant in the room. you have to talk about it. calling him convicted felon as many times as possible and trying to win again points. that's not a good use. the conviction is a critical data point in the story that a lot of the polling and focus groups tell us we should be telling about trump which is he is in this for himself. he is running for office to protect himself from further legal jeopardy and help himself and his rich friends and exact revenge on enemies. that me first attitude is what got him in trouble to begin with. you have to take this conviction, it caused people to break out of their anti- politics bubble for a few minutes and pay attention then tell it to use -- to talk the broader story. use it in a disciplined, calm way that does not allow trump to drag you when the mud. >> that makes sense to me. sarah, i want to ask a similar question. there's a couple different audiences biden has to appeal to. is there anything that the president could say during the debate about the convictions that would turn them off? anything that would be a trigger about it? >> when it comes to swing voters, the thing for biden is not the message. it's how he says it. for them, they want to see joe biden can do this job. you have to get people over this hump that they think joe biden is too old. this is where trump wins often times. he has lunatic energy that makes him seem more the fishes, more aggressive, and sometimes when you listen to voters as they get into the strong weak framing where trump is bad and strong but biden is okay but weak. he has to show some strength. he cannot just say conviction over and over but he has to go on offense. the whole campaign right now has to go on offense. we are in the moment to push. we have to stop talking about democracy being at stake and the campaign has to campaign like democracy is at stake. joe biden has to show he is ready to go. it's not the name-calling of convicted felon but able to say this man is unfit and i am good to go. you've got to show that and not just tell it. >> state of the union energy. it's about the vibes i am hearing. i want to ask about your sub stack encouraging people not to be stressed. everyone should subscribe to it. it. hi, i'm amanda and i lost 37 pounds with golo. so i'm a hair stylist and i'm on my feet all of the time. with golo i have more energy. i'm able to work and stand on my feet 10 hours a day and to me golo means a happier life a more successful life. a slow network is no network for business. that's why more choose comcast business. and now, we're introducing ultimate speed for business —our fastest plans yet. we're up to 12 times faster than verizon, at&t, and t-mobile. and existing customers could even get up to triple the speeds... at no additional cost. it's ultimate speed for ultimate business. don't miss out on our fastest speed plans yet! switch to comcast business and get started for $49.99 a month. plus, ask how to get up to an $800 prepaid card. call today! with absorbine pro, pain won't hold you back from your passions. it's the only solution with two max-strength anesthetics to deliver the strongest numbing pain relief available. so, do your thing like a pro, pain-free. absorbine pro. that does it for me tonight. tonight. much appreciated. thanks to you at home. really happy to have you here. we have an interesting show for you tonight. particularly glad you're here for it. we're going to start a ways back as we sometimes do. when allied soldiers came ashore on the coast of france on the beaches of normandy for the d-day invasion, they opened up a new west
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staying, sir the georgia congressional candidate who just walked off the stage in the middle of a debate all right 6:00 a.m. here in washington alive. >> look at the us capitol on this tuesday morning good morning, everyone and kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us samuel alito's private beliefs apparently exposed in a secretly recorded audio tape, the conservative supreme court justice seeming to endorse a fight to return our country to a place of godliness and quote it was a liberal activist and filmmaker who secretly recorded the justice and his wife at a supreme court historical society dinner earlier this month people in this country, we're leaving that, keep fighting to return our country to a place the bottling names. >> i agree with important to underscore during that dinner, the activists misrepresented herself. she claimed to be a religious conservative the executive director of the supreme court historical society issued this statement on monday saying, quote, we condemn any sort surreptitious recordings of justice's at the event which is inconsistent with the entire spirit of the evening. attendees are advised that discussion of current cases, cases decided by current sitting justices or justices, jurors, pure prudence is strictly prohibited and may result in forfeiture of membership in the society earlier. in the conversation, the activist told alito that she didn't think that the right could negotiate with the left. >> here was his response one. >> side or the, other. >> there can be a way of working, our way of living together it's different because they're differences fundamental things that really can't comment so it's not like you're going to see what the difference a little hard to hear their finals here. >> molly ball, senior political correspondent at the wall street journal, meghan hayes, former special assistant to president biden, and matt gorman, the former senior adviser to the tim scott presidential campaign. welcome to all of you molly ball. >> this of course, i think underscores the pressure that alito is at the moment in our highly charged political environment where the justices are about to decide whether or not donald trump is immune in the january 6 case clearly, he's in a situation where he is responding in the affirmative to someone he is encountering at a party and yet the remarks are still illuminating in terms of how he thinks about things. yeah. i mean, i think as you said on the one hand, we've all done the thing where someone approaches you that you don't know and you just kinda play along. you just sort of say you're agreeing with whatever it is that they're saying. i'm either end it's no surprise to anyone that he's a conservative right, and that he does view, society as, as somewhat corrupted by a lack of godliness or i wouldn't be surprised to hear him say any of those things in a judicial opinion for example. so it's all pretty broadly consistent with the judicial philosophy and the political philosophy that we know that he subscribes to. i think also the fact that the recording is coming out tells you that increasingly the supreme court is being treated as another political branch of government. the people are sending trackers after them basically like they would with a political candidate monitoring their every utterance and looking through it for potentially damaging or politically useful bits of audio that, that can be used against them in what's essentially become a full-time political campaign. and that i think as we and others have reported, has contributed to a very high level of tension and division on the court itself has made it increasingly difficult to function. >> yeah, it's it's speaking of division on the court itself. >> i mean in this highly fraught moment that we find ourselves in as a country where there does seem to be this kind of looming question about violence. certainly we have had more violence in our politics in recent years than we had seen in another monitor campaigns with what happened on january 6, john roberts was also approached by this activist and he approached this very differently and it underscores a little bit of tension on the court as molly was just touching on. again, john roberts, appointed by george w bush. he is the chief justice. he is also a conservative but has carved out a much different kind of role for him self on the court. so when he was approached by this activist and some of these same themes of godliness. the question i believe was is the us a christian nation? >> here's how john roberts responded since i put here a little 20 years, i've been quieter times but the idea that the court is in the middle of a lot of tumultuous stuff going on. that's nothing new. >> the civil war, we did that very vietnam. you people getting killed and i was there. >> this is all right. i mean, it's it's not all right. but it's not like it's dramatic medically different people that's a common thing. people, their own perspective like this is so slow ordinary i don't know. >> heed the christian nation question. robert's actually responded that he has jewish friends, muslim friends who might disagree with that. he went on to talk about it a little bit, but megan haze, there. he was saying he was talking about other cataclysmic periods in our history, the civil war vietnam basically saying that we're going to be all right in the end. what is your view of all of this? and the way it's an unfolded, but particularly this difference between alito roberts here. yeah. i mean, i do think that we're gonna be all right. our democracy is built to survive and hopefully it will survive regardless of who wins the election in november. but i do think that there is a difference here, and i think that there was a difference. if you listen to alito's wife and how she responds and her reaction system of the questions that she got are also extremely stark. and so just just goes to show how these justices are thinking and how that they are forming their opinions. and it is, it is quite different and it is jarring when you hear their responses. >> let's listen to a little bit of what martha alito also who was approached by the same activist again, here's a little bit of what she had to say you know what i want i want sacred heart of jesus flag because i had to look cross the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. >> exactly and he's like, oh, please don't put several my heritage come after me away. it doesn't have to be away. >> debris don't worry about it okay. >> she also said that justice alito doesn't control her at one point. but you don't seem to admit their that he did ask her not to put up a flag in this case. >> definitely go we put the flag up let me look at this whole thing. i saw on twitter the person lauren windsor put up, that this is gonna be a big undercover storage tweeted out, tease that out. before it came out. and then when it came out like this, this is what this is. i mean, this was the same person that was the one reported by the intercept who sent the kind of democratic activists to charlottesville, dresses neo-nazi would tiki torches to kind of stand outside the glenn youngkin's yvette. but with the lincoln project. so i'm not getting i'm not surprised by this, but i will say that i think a lot of what molly said his right. it's also just his religious philosophy makes no bones that he's a devout christian now, i was at church over the weekend and a lot of those same themes. it's country but more about the world gold and sin and godliness. those same themes or what kinda prevalent. church, i'm really not surprised. >> i mean, i think that the piece of it that i really i got caught on was where he seems to go on and say that there may not be a way to resolve these differences ever, which i suppose is part of what you're saying. >> i mean, it's it's again, i think we stepped back from the politics of it. i think the way the christians look at it is sin and whatever faith i'm not putting it very eloquently. the priesthood better job in his homily over the weekend. >> but but no, i think that is more of the way that he was talking about it for me again, he's devout christian. >> i don't really see what the the big thing is, megan, but these people, i just think our supreme court justices sort of need to rise above this. and i agree with molly that like we've all been in a situation where you just like nod and say, but he went further and then when his wife's comments, it just shows that like they're they're not viewing themselves as above and making laws for our country. >> it was his faith like it was not, it was not about politics. they're talking to say, it also she was goading him. she would want to introduce scholarliness into it. she was the one that he's just agreeing. >> yeah, i agree. like it's these ideas weren't germinated on their own. she was leading him. >> i don't agree with what she did. i think it's terrible and i think both sides do it and i think it's awful. i don't think we'd be putting a lot more women pre haven't talked about project verisign's 09 and rightfully so i'm fine, but the amount of media saturation i didn't read the new york times is covering this now it's ridiculous. who would never do this. it was james o'keefe and practice, but that's not true. but i just think we owe nine we haven't done a sense so charade with acorn, that was the last time we actually my diary. i think we all project or testis sorry, because very, very different when there was a negative garrett ziegler who is sitting in court that clearly act when there was a new york times article on straight reporting, what was it ashley biden's journal. i don't remember it. >> like there was with this. >> i will be honest in this particular question, but i do think the big picture here. i mean, i think you guys are actually both an agreement what people should do is not correct this you know, i just i think molly to the big picture point this really underscores even farther just the significance of the moment that we are facing as a country, the role of the supreme court in our politics. >> it's been historically viewed as an institution that's supposed to be above all this i think those of us who cover this realize it's been political for awhile, but now the country is really starting to see that. >> all right, coming up next, donald trump meets with probation officers while his campaign asks potential vp candidates if they ever committed a crime. >> plus the dog days arriving early, millions of americans facing sweltering heat in this this is where i get back in my trunk and head make the southwest georgia. >> the congressional candidate who walked off the stage and went home in the middle of a debate hey, guys, i got spoken about got it right up do, we, have one to leave works all day? >> so i can keep working to take just one 12 hours of uninterrupted pain-related i'll leave you do you take 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what we laugh. >> i know we laugh. it does it does make sense why you'd ask that. i mean, it does it does. >> i did the first of that of paul ryan when it was selecting his vp we're at the point now, where you're bringing in not just the candidate, but the family, the accountants, the lawyers, and you are asking we were just trying to get to the central question. number one, do we know everything about this person that we need to know? number one and number two if we don't, what is it that we don't know and trying to get that. so the candidate, no matter who it is, can evaluate and make a decision because let's face it this way, right? >> we know trump is indicted on four things, felt guilty on 153 others, right? in the limited space, we don't want a new one coming out all of a sudden that they can't price in that they don't have an awareness of. it does seem like an acknowledgment that committing crimes as bad, which the president has so far not seemed to want to cop to i don't think 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hadi continued to use narcotics smoke, crack every 15 minutes throughout 2018 and decided not to buy a gun. >> we wouldn't be here in this courtroom. >> choices have consequences. and that's why we're here later. hunters defense attorney argued the prosecutors case was similar to a magician's trick, adding quote, there is nothing there. joining me now from wilmington, delaware is alex thompson, the national political reporter for it? axios, who has been covering this trial day in and day out. alex, wonderful to see you how just catch us up with what you saw in court yesterday during these closing arguments. and i want to dig into how the family in particular is playing into this because my understanding is the jurors were told not to be intimidated by the fact that it's the families the president of the united states yes. >> so yesterday you saw bolt very lengthy closing arguments, i believe abbe lowell hunter biden's lawyer when for about 87 minutes and then the prosecution got two shots at it and they probably got about the same about 87 minutes. and to your other points the prosecution said, if they have not proven that hunter biden was a crack addict than no one is a crack addict. and it got a little chip between the two sides. abbe lowell at one point said that the prosecution had been quote enormously cruel two naomi biden hunter biden's daughter, the president's granddaughter, and how they cross-examined tr the government came right back and said it was then who put her on the stand that put her in that position. and it was hunter biden who according to text messages tom had been erratic and texting in the middle of the night and had i think they've put it as said, blowing her off and so it got very personal in terms of how the family yesterday was the most family that we have seen in this trial. you had aunts, uncles cousins, the cousins, spouses. it was at least a full thing and it was interesting that both sides, in their closing arguments made you made allusions to the family. now, abbe lowell hunters lawyer has been really trying to portray hunter as a family person and has been referencing the family as as part of that that he is just i think one of you, whereas the prostitution is basically saying what? you just alluded to, which is don't be intimidated. this is not these people are not evidenced. these people are not really part of the trial how would you describe kind of the the mood among the biden family members who attended from what? you could observe it, what did what did that feel like yeah. i think they you can see a little bounce in their step after abbe lowell's closing, having just a fulsome 87 minute defense from of hunter when i think a lot of the family feels he has just been hit day after day after day for the last several years and i think i even saw bowel biden, the president, sister give them a go, give abby go, get them. right? right afterward. but after at the very end i don't think the family likes being at felony trial for joe biden's son, and you could tell there were certainly moments ashley biden in particular, the president's daughter and hunter sister has you been very emotional at moments in this trial having to leave at some point, plate lots of tears. and you can tell it's been harder on some than on the others. >> one of the arguments that came up was about hallie biden one of the attorneys said quote, poor hallie biden knew had to be dragged through this period of her life. again, who understandably did not remember a lot of the details well she remembering what she saw that day or dozens of other days when she too was using if you notice, she could remember what the prosecutors asked her. the prosecutors are also gave her immunity, but not so much for any number of things so that that i guess coming from from abbe lowell well, it clearly they felt like they needed to defend other members of the family. two, how did that fit in this been a key part of hunter biden strategy from the very beginning, which is to really try to undermine the credibility of hallie biden, who's beau's widow, who is also his sister-in-law. >> and the reason is because her testimony he is, very very troubling if you're a hunter, biden, the fact is that she was the one that found the gun. she and when she testified that when she went into the truck, she found crack cocaine, paraphernalia, suggesting that he had been smoking very recently, that she found powder that day, which also suggested he'd been using am was the one that he was texting during the period he had the gun in which he said that he was smoking crack and this goes to a larger sort of dynamic within both the defense and the prosecution, which you at the very end of the day beyond the facts that case, i think it will really come down to you. do you relate to hunter biden or do you resent hunter biden and the prosecutor? the hunters team at basically wants to make you think he's a family man that he was suffering from a disease that he's one of you in delaware home grown. whereas the defense is saying no, this is a bad guy. this is the guy that what the little details that he was trying hundred $51,000 in cash withdrawal and just three months that he was a millionaire, that he was yael educated, that he gave $800 to his 24-year-old girlfriend to buy clothes for his daughters. these little details that are meant to portray a different sort of person and that may end up being the difference maker with this jury all right. alex thompson for us this morning. alex. thank you very much for that. meghan hayes, can i ask you, you know, someone who's been in the biden family orbit? how this all mean as alex said, that they entire family has shown up for him at this trial. understandably, but it's gotta be weighing on the president who of course has not made an appearance at the courtroom. >> yeah. i mean, i don't think anybody hit this table. be surprised. a hunter is at the forefront of the presence minor, it adds, it's an extremely challenging situation. he's a dad first and foremost, i think he said that in his statement, but i do think that this is someone who is an addict. he is a recovering addict right now and i think that the family is concerned and i think that's showing up to be supportive of him. i think that's what families do is show up and support people when in their time of need. >> all right. >> let's turn now to the 2024 campaign trail where donald trump de, virtual mark remarks yesterday to the danbury institute it is a conservative christian group. they call abortion, quote, child sacrifice, and quote the greatest atrocity facing our generation today trump, who just two months ago said abortion should be left to the states, didn't explicitly mentioned abortion during his remarks. that's an admission that for the presumptive nominee of the republican party says a lot about the politics of this issue in a post-dobbs, america. instead, trump said this we are a seriously declining nations, seriously serious and so sad. i know that each of you is protecting those values every day and i hope we'll be defending them side-by-side for your next four years. these are going to be your years so matt gorman, i mean, he obviously is trying to tell them something that they want to hear, but to not mention abortion at a group like this. i mean, it just shows what a tough position any republican is in, in a world where the protections of roe means that, well, if you say life begins at conception, suddenly are threatening. everything including in vitro fertilization. >> note we look at it, i think abortion is probably the best issue for democrats and it makes the most sense for him to run on it. >> and i think it doesn't make sense also for trump to give more grist to anything and that they're going to use against them already in a campaign. and i think what this is, i'm more and more convinced that this an election in the sanctuary to come down either the economy hovering above all, an immigration on the right, abortion and left competing as the single issue crawl over broken glass type issues for voters. and which one wins out last couple years exceed abortion went out, could happen again, immigration has been very salient, loved what happens, and i think that's gonna tell us its substrate election. well, and i think the debate that i'm hearing among my republican sources about how they and their candidates should message the abortion issue is very similar to it. why here democrats talking about immigration? the question is, do you try to keep it off the agenda and not talk about it in the hopes that you can raise the salience of some other issue, right. so if you're a democrat to ignore immigration and just tried to talk about abortion where you feel like you have a better message there is a school of thought, i think in both of these camps that says no, you have to go at it. you have to say to voters, i understand why you think this is important and here is my position so that they're not left guessing. so republicans have been having this active debates since the fall of roe, saying we do have to have a message for voters about abortion. we do have to have something to say to them. otherwise, we're just going to get clobbered and i think you've seen democrats on immigration, the same thing. a lot of candidates have tried to avoid the issue, but there is a new conventional wisdom on the democratic side that says if you do that you're just gonna get killed on this issue. that is important to so many voters. you do need to have some kind of positive message, even if it's not necessarily going to be popular because in both cases, the parties are on the wrong side of these respective issue really interesting way to think about it, okay the house rules committee meets today to consider holding attorney general merrick garland in contempt. we're going to talk about that with a member of the committee recovery can ralph 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there was a substantial amount of vote for the one on here that was covered up probably one of the biggest conspiracies in american history when just say there was no evidence of any of the things that he just said there, giuliani pleaded not guilty in may to nine felony charges stemming from his alleged role in arizona's fake electors scheme the port of baltimore is open for business now as the shipping lane into the harb fully reopened last night for the first time since the francis scott key bridge was hit by a cargo ship and collapsed in march from all those folks all right. let's turn now to capitol hill where the house rules committee will meet today to decide whether to advance contempt charges against attorney general merrick garland over his refusal to provide lawmakers the audio of president biden's interview with special counsel robert hur after her found the biden mishandled classified documents but would likely present to a jury as a quote, sympathetic, well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory and quote, the gop led push comes just a week after garland testified before congress, where he said this i will not be intimidated. and the justice department will not be intimidated and training. >> now, it's south carolina republican congressman ralph norman. he sits on the house rules committee a powerful one in the house. congressman. good morning. thank you for being here. >> my pleasure bladder be ready. >> so the attorney general, merrick garland has a new washington post opinion piece that's out this morning and he writes in that piece quote, disagreements about our politics are good for our democracy. they are normal. >> but using conspiracy theories, falsehoods, violence, and threats of violence to effect political outcomes is not normal. >> the short-term political benefits of those tactics will never make up for the long-term cost to our country continued unfounded attacks against the justice department's employees are dangerous for people safety, they are dangerous for our democracy. >> and they must stop. >> what do you have to say to his argument there attorney general garland is let's just say it's laughable. what he's taking party and he's not above the law. he says he's not going to be intimidated it's very simple. >> why don't think he's arguing that he's above you're saying he's not above the law in the context of the contempt charges around that that you are considering what what he's not above the law in is when congress has every right, an article one the whole committees that investigates the doj in any other agency. >> and what we asked for is the sense that president biden had an interview with robert hur asking for the audio tapes very, very simple. the audio tapes and he won't. they initially started back in february of this february 5th and we asked for the audio tapes which do exist and on february 16, the doj under the guidance of merrick garland said they weren't going to meet the timeline. >> they extended the timeline. >> so and then finally they came back and said there's no justifiable reason why you need the audio tapes that the biden has already waived executive privilege by printing the the interview so they're just want to tape to see if they match up with what's being reported. >> they redacted several parts of it. so but and it's saying he's not above the law. he's going to be in contempt. we will pass it, i think in the rules and will hold him accountable like he's doing every every other person has got an arb aside, their name and you're going to learn from the tapes that you can't learn from the transcripts the tapes were backup, will either justify what has been the the transcript say or they won't. >> do you think actually tampered with a the transcripts? >> is that what you're saying? >> we have no idea until we get them. they haven't. that's what attorney general garland refuses to turn over is very simple. turn turn the tape over, and so we can see if it matches with the transcripts either does or does it? and do you think that you have in the full house to hold the garland in contempt oh, i have no idea. we'll see what the evidence we will have testimony today that are probably last six to eight hours. you have a democratic witness, you have republican witness. james calmer well, it may be jim jordan, but one of the two will present what they're finding is, but it's very simple. turn over the tapes that will either validity the transcripts or they won't and let us see it congressman, i want to talk politics with you for a little while. >> your state, of course, has famously sharp-elbowed to put it politely, i would say politics, nancy mace congresswoman, who voted to oust kevin mccarthy facing a primary challenge today. >> could you underscore clarify for me who it is you're supporting in this primary. >> and do you think that mayes is going to hang on? >> i hadn't come out on either side. i know both. and i serve with nancy, catherine templeton was headed de heck under nikki haley who i like i think nancy will win this race, but i hadn't come out publicly for either one of them. i get involved in a lot of races but on this particular one, i decided just to let the low country decide who they want and net nancy's got a track record and catherine templeton has a record of so why once you endorse your college, you're not endorsing nancy mace. i mean, that's pretty normal worthy as typically y'all incumbents usually stick together well, i didn't come out against are either. >> i just said let the voters decide and the low countries has a lot of different issues that they're passionate about. and i let them decide it and i'm from the upstate and i did get involved. am involved with the timmons morgan rice. i came out against william terman's and but on the nancy may just decide to stay out of that sir, before i let you go we've heard president former president trump. obviously, he has campaigned. we've heard him say earlier in the show that america is a declining nation this is something that he talks about all the time. the governor of pennsylvania, which is a key swing state. he's a democrat but he had a different message about what he thinks republican should be saying about america. i want you to listen to what governorship hero said, and then i want to get your reaction on either side. watch all they hear from donald trump is a whole bunch of whining about this country. so i got a message to donald trump and all his negativity in his whining stops barking. america. this is the greatest country on earth, and it's time that we all start acting like it i'm going to say, sir i'm a patriotic american. do you does he have a point president trump as does the american people see what's happening to america. >> he is exactly right? look at what's happening in this country. talk to the average voter out there who is very upset with inflation. they're very upset with the 13 to 15 million illegals coming into this kind. would you still the greatest country on earth as many politicians often have it once was the greatest country on earth. we in the rapid decline, it's not anymore three-and-a-half years of this biden administration. >> pardon me. >> it's not anymore in which country would you say is greater than the united states of america? >> well, unless we get our financials in order, unless we stopped spin in, printing money, will we cannot continue what we have been in the past, which is a shining city on a hill, and the director result of the liberal policies that this administration has continues to put, put the american people through immigration, is leading the pack on. this is he's breaking the constitution. he's destroying the values in this country. so i think the american people show that at the pose all right, i sold them have the name of another country that's greater than the united states of america. congressman ralph north on norman, excuse me, ralph norman, thank you so much, sir, for being here. i really appreciate your time. >> my pleasure. >> all right, let's turn now to this i'm still feature when i walk in the room why wouldn't we talk about taylor swift? >> and we can talk about taylor swift. she apparently has a new admirer in donald trump. in an interview for a forthcoming book about the former president trump raved about the pop star's looks, telling the writer quote, i think she's beautiful, very beautiful. i find it very beautiful. i think she's liberal. she probably doesn't like trump. i hear she's very talented. i think she's very beautiful actually unusually beautiful trump, however, clearly seemed unable to forget his bad blood with swift over her 2020 endorsement of joe biden and throwing into question her political beliefs that she is liberal or is that just an act he asked during the interview, she's legitimately he liberal, it's not an act. it surprises me that a country star can be successful being liberal meghan. >> i mean, i think it's creepy the way he continues to talk about how pretty women are that are significantly younger in age, very much younger. but that being said, i think that he he doesn't want to upset the swifties. i think we all know what happens when that when we awake a giant of the swifties. but i think it's very big. >> part of why we're talking about her. madame mean, disagree with me if you want to but she is actually probably the one celebrity. i think that actually has the power to move inefficient number of probably right? >> yeah, i think it's a matter of now whether she would ever want to get involved, i think in 2020, 2016, were i think we talked to this couple weeks ago, different time for celebrities inject themselves some politics become political actors very different now, outtake donald trump taylor swift, like it's like the page clicks like big bang, massive forces together for this this explosion. >> i hope for it. >> but yeah, i don't think she needs it out really good about i don't think he needs to go out and like i support you biden. she was already did that and then also in her documentary, if she's already said where she stands on a lot of issues and like wind to our family and said, i mean, so i don't think anyone's questioning where she stands politically here, but yeah. so i mean, i think he gets kind of i don't think she needs out really get involved, but i think it like donald trump as like a celebrity, celebrity pundit, right? like a celebrity handicap or he is really encapsulating so where she stands in like the firmament of sort of pop culture, right? yeah. >> he clearly has spent more time looking at her than listening to her. she hasn't been a country star for a long time as my swift the daughter could certainly the idea that like people don't necessarily see her as a political figure. and that's why a potential endorsement for her is so powerful, right? because to her legions of fans who just love her no matter what, the things that she says are, can resonate outside that political sphere. and that's why i think she does have the power to potentially move votes is even though she does have this history of endorsed pressing liberal politicians and taking liberal positions, she is not, i think pigeonholed as just sort of hollywood liberal, liberal celebrity. and so she's able to speak in an authentic way to her following it hearkens back to a funny time where donald trump was on twitter like talking about robert patents and kristen stewart member that ten years ago, remember this is very much like the page six, new york celebrity gossip world he had spent 30 years in. this is almost in a way like a very pure version of donald trump, like gossiping about celebrities. >> yeah, no it's, it's, it's it's donald trump, maggie haberman has been cut yeah. all right. >> i will leave you with this oh like she's still got it. courtney cox, letting the world know. she's still has the moves that she showed off in bruce springsteen's video for dancing in the dark, the friends star joining a social media trend where kids ask their parents to show them how they danced in the 1980s, cox famously appeared in springsteen's 1984 and music video. jumping on stage to boogie with the boss molly ball has your daughter made you do this yet no could you better or worse than a by way waveshape, let's put courtney back first quarter me and her dancing. there yep, there she is. >> i mean, honestly that i think i could do that might be the limit of my abilities, but that i could do i mean i don't know because i wouldn't want to do it in public, but i'm not do not checked doing matt either. all right thanks, guys. >> every much. appreciate your time today. thanks for all to all of you for joining us. i'm
that is tonight's last word. tonight, donald trump met his probation officer. we will look at a key step as his sentencing approaches. the fate of hunter biden is now in the jury's hands. why he declined to take the stand. kerr is here speaking out as the 11th hour gets underway on this monday night: good evening, once again, we are now 148 days away from the election. today, one of the leading candidates for president met with his probation officer. donald trump fresh off of his guilty verdict sat for a presentencing interview. nothing standard with how it was held. trump got permission to attend virtually from florida and have his attorney present. trump has been complaining for months about a 2-tier system of justice and he is absolutely right. as new york public defenders pointed out today most people do not get to log in remotely from a resort in florida to talk to their probation officers. as far as what happens in these interviews, probation officers generally ask about things like financial resources, mental health and any links to convicted criminals. they also have to ask if you feel remorse for the crime that you are convicted of. meanwhile n delaware, the hunter biden firearms case went to the jury after both sides made their closing arguments. hunter biden chose not to take the stand. here is my colleague with more. >> reporter: tonight, it is in the hands of the jury. six men, six women deliberating the fate of hunter biden. the first child of a sitting president to be charged with a crime. many of the first family in the courtroom throughout the trial. all of this is not evidence said leo wise while gesturing in the courtroom and in the direction of jill biden in the first row. people sitting in the gallery are not evidence, he said, adding no one is above the law. the special counsel is accused the president's son of liing on a federal background check, checking that he is not an active drug user to purchase a gun. they used evidence from his laptop and called 10 witnesses, many describing hunter biden's drug use including around the time he filled out the background check in october of 2018. hunter biden's ex-wife found drug paraphernalia and his ex- girlfriend who wasidating him at the time said is he was using crack all of the time. the evidence was necessary. the defense attorney gude the prosecution focused far too much on his drug abuse over a 4- year period and no one witnessed drug use during the window of time he purchased a gun. >> with that let's get smarter with the help of our lead off this evening. reporter with "the washington post,," sam stein is here. a journalist and white house editor for politico, and former new york prosecutor charles coleman jr is here. a big legal night so you get first crack. donald trump met with his probation officer today, help us understand the purpose of these interviews, how do they usually go and what do we know about what was asked in this one? >> reporter: stephanie, when your probation officer will be asking you questions what they are trying to understand is basically what is your set up around your life? how do you live? what your financial resources are, what is the impact of the sentence if a judge decides for example to send you to jail. are there other people depending on you, put in a bad position? by that, are you associating with other criminals that we know in the case of trump. he is, we can go down the long list, roger stone, many others, flin, the list goes on and on. most importantly, the most important that they are looking to ascertain, and you talked about it in your lead in, if you have any understanding and appreciation for the crime that you are committed of. donald trump has a difficult tight rope to toe when it comes to this given everything given in the public around this, rather than what he knows prosecution by the da's office. that will be something that will be hard for him to get around. ultimately the report will be something that the judge takes into account when they make their decision around what sentence they ultimately imposed. the da's office is making a recommendation of trump's attorney, going to argue as lenient of a sentence as possible. >> sam, trump is arguing for months and months and months. a two tier justice system. there is. it is benefiting him. we got to meet virtually, his lawyer was there and when he speaks at his rallies he is always saying "i am doing this for you" i am standing here for you. but if any trump supporters were in his position they would not get these special privileges, why do they keep buying this? >> reporter: well, you are absolutely right. we wrote about that in politico, too, when you think of the gag order various points in the criminal case, that was almost done with reluctance compared to what would have been done for any other person in the justice system. trump is a unique person in the justice system that he is a former president running for president currently. it makes sense some leeway is given to him in that regard. the justice system works in this favor in this case. i would argue thereat second start, hunter biden is evidence that it is not a justice system. the president's own department of justice is currently bringing a case against his son f. there was a thumb on the scale of the system of the part of president bid pen. one would think he would do it to alleviate the burdens on his son but the president sat back and watched this thing progress to the point where we will get a verdict in the next day or so. >> i get it has been a crazy last eight years and people have become desensitized. it is not even remotely normal for the presumptive nominee to be meeting with his probation officer what is your treks this response. >> how numb the country has become to everything we watched in the last eight years. nobody can forget and yet we almost act like it was no big deal when then republican nominee for president donald trump was caught on live tape talking about grabbing women in the crotch using a course word and he can get a wid with it because lesay celebrity. starting then and continuing on, it is like a starting gun of new, every other week, every other two weeks, revelations about donald trump as candidate and as a president that made us all kind of gasp and wonder, like, can he survive this? well, donald trump is the nominee for president again. he is the front runner in this race by many polls, and, he is a felon who has been convicted of 34 counts of crimes in the state of new york. the city and the town, where he once ruled. and, all of us are kind of like oh, yeah, that is right, that is how it is. that is, that is sort of the standard now for the last eight years. it is really important for us all to step back and remember that no president and no former president has ever been charged with a crime. and now we have one that has been convicted and is seeking to return to the white house. >> charles, a lawyer wrote in the "new york times" today that donald trump's chances of winning an appeal are slim, what do you think? >> reporter: i think so, stephanie. when you are talking about what it is to appeal a jury the first thing that people need to understand is that it is a rare occurrence that the simple is going to have a decision made by our constitution where you get a dloons have your case heard by a jury of your piers which trump did and override the system and overcalculation by the judge or actions of the attorneys. the judge does not give enough credit for the way he ran this trial. i think he was very much aware of all of the eye's needed to be dotted and t's needed to be crossed that is why he ran such a tight ship. to make sure that there were as few for a po as possible. it does not mean that trump's attorney does not like to seek an issue. rather than it being successful is slim to none. sam, today, bragg says he will testify before the house about the trump case. most likely not until after trump gets sentenced. he knows what he is going to face with house republicans, how do you think he is going to handle this? well, i mean, it is, it, we knew the house republicans were going to do this. they signaled they want to protect trump. they want to go after the prosecution. you know, various over00turs. bringing it to hill. expecting it a long time ago. surprised they did not push harder prior to this. if i were bragg i would point to the fact that trump's piers made a determination guilty on 34 counts. that is the aspects of the american justice system that donald trump had right to the fence. he was given through the fence. there will be questions of who is on the team, funding him. what it comes down to, this is how the justice system would work. they had his defense and, and that is that. the decision was made by a jury of 12. you have to live with it. that is what we do. >> charles, let's shift to what sam was mentioning a moment ago. hunter biden case. what did you make today of both sides closing arguments, of hunter not taking the stand. >> go in reverse, stephanie. hunter bid den not take the stand for a number of reasons t is difficult for hunter bid tone give testimony in any way that is going to exonerate him or defend against those charges without either incriminating him or admitting publicly around his substance abuse. i think that is something that he wanted to avoid. his defense team wanted to avoid that. ultimately if you are looking at this from a 50,000 foot view it is something that would not have been well for the biden administration to have in the headlines, not that it has an impact on hunter's case or the charges but that was part of the calculus here. with respect of what you heard, this is straightforward. i think many legal experts myself included understand that when robert herr, the prosecutor on this case and joe biden allowed to stay on the case brought the charges this, if anything, we seen recently was the most political prosecution that we have seen. i say that because for these federal charges to be brought you typically don't see that absence of violent offense involving the handgun or the weapon that is in question. that is not the case here. hunter biden is not charged with that. we don't have the facts. yet, still, herr decided to bring the charges against hunter biden and the case for the prosecution is straightforward. none of it is. the defense is saying you work with the fact that you have. they don't have great facts. they have to call into question the time line. i don't know if it will be enough for a jury to acquit him or result in a mistrial. >> sam, the president has already said that he will not pardon his son f. he is found guilty he could be taken into custody. how is the campaign going to react to this? they have been hands off. it is taking a toll on the president to make had decision. he is his son, he is a father. when you ask about him and press him on it, they are hands off. as we reported they do not talk about the issue. he does not want to discuss it. not that he does not think there will be political fallout but it is too raw. the question that ultimately comes down to is will republicans try to potentially capitalize on a guilty verdict. we have a debate coming up and trump will use it during the debate. will say upon to this point where we are surprised to see how little republicans are talking about the hunter biden trial including trump himself. does not come up all that much. used to be a topic of a lot of discussion for media and trump but not recently. you wonder if they don't want to draw the attention to his own mishaps or perhaps they test today out and realize there might be effect where people are sympathetic or empathetic to joe biden if you go after his son when fundamentally part of what that issue is, an issue of addiction. now topic, your "washington post" has a story out trump allies with a post- constitutional vision for a second term. this man's name is russell voyt. what can you tell bus this? >> by the way, it is for beth reinhart on this team that presses the trump precedency and the people he is entrusting to make the plans for his new administration. he was a deputy director and in congress as a staffer for a long, long time and other federal agencies. he knows his way around both the legislative and the executive parts of our government and he is using that knowledge to broodily expand the powers of the executive if trump takes office. to the point of saying that he is going to find a way for the justice department to prosecute and imprison those who he feels have wrongly gone after the president in the past. that includes journalists, that includes political figures like biden family members and he is, rather, he would work very hard to loosen the militaries ability to take action at the president's command to stop protests that are against the president to interfere, perhaps, in elections. basically the military would be the entity could send into domestic situations. something that really we have avoided since the horrors of ken state for example. this is a person who believes definitely in the executive theory but, now proposing things behind closed doors. he may end up being the chief of staff for the president, we will see. proposing what will send a chill off of the spine of those studying democracy and its norms. >> here is my head scratcher, carol. a lot of conservatives out there. don't like trump but likes the policies, these are the same people who are all about small government and limited power. this, this man and this plan, isn't that the opposite of small government limited power. this is big, big government with ultimate power. >> i think that is something that you highlighted on your program consistently if i can give you a hat tip. this idea of the hypocrisy, right? the republican party for as long as i have been a reporter, embarrassed to tell you how long that has been has always been about criminal justice and top, forgive me, serious law enforcement. it has been a party. a concern. russia, chief among them. yet, that is all out the window now with trump as president. putin is a great guy in the new republican party. he is a fan of donald trump. therefore, he is for them. it is not important anymore. we really want to support. certain criminal that have been unfairly and i use this quotation marks persecuted. that is the line that the republican party is pushing. and, so, again, this notion of big government for the republican party that is sought the window as well. if it suits donald trump. that is the litnus test. >> people can vote however they like. it is our job to shine a light so people understand exactly who and what they are voting for. carol, always great to see you, sam, charles, thank you as well. when we return, nine months into the war, and five americans are still being held hostage by hamas. why the white house is considering a new strategy for negotiations. and, later, after months in a dead heat in the polls with trump. president biden is revving up his engines and maybe even changing lanes. 11th hour just getting underway on a monday night th hour just on a monday night and living longer are two things i want from my metastatic breast cancer treatment. and with kisqali, i can have both. kisqali is a pill that when taken with an aromatase inhibitor helps delay cancer from growing and has been proven to help people live significantly longer across three separate clinical trials. so, i have the confidence to live my life. kisqali can cause lung problems or an abnormal heartbeat, which can lead to death. it can cause serious skin reactions, liver problems, and low white blood cell counts that may result in severe infections. avoid grapefruit during treatment. tell your doctor right away if you have new or worsening symptoms, including breathing problems, cough, chest pain, a change in your heartbeat, dizziness, yellowing of the skin or eyes, dark urine, tiredness, loss of appetite, abdomen pain, bleeding, bruising, fever, chills, or other symptoms of an infection, a severe or worsening rash, are or plan to become pregnant, or breastfeeding. long live life and long live you. ask your doctor about kisqali today. you know what's brilliant? 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[crying] >> falling to his knees when he was reunited with his mom. while their celebrations in israel in gaza there is mourning the hamas-run health ministry that does not distinguish between combat onand civilian deaths, 270 palestinians were killed including 64 children, one woman telling us. >> my family is destroyed. my house is destroyed >> they are reporting that the u.s. is discussing a new move if seize fire moves fail, making a deal with hamas to release the remaining american hostages, negotiating through qatar and not with israel. according to two senior officials. my number one priority as secretary of state is to ensure the well being of americans who are in harm's way anywhere in the world. >> that is your top priority, wouldn't indirect talks for the americans at least bring those americans home, possibly? >> the most effective way to do that to achieve that is through the proposal on the table. so, let's see if we get an answer from hamas. >> for more. peter baker joins us the chief correspondent for the "new york times," peter, is it a sign that the white house is frustrated with the pace of negotiations between israel and hamas? >> yes. of course, obviously. nine months, these american hostages have been there the entire time. the american government has basically taken, deferred the israeli government when it comes to dealing with the hostages, most of the hostages have duel citizenship, theyor the ground. the united states is not. it suggests an impatience at this point. its own hostage remain at, in limbo in effect. remaining at odds for this proposal. you heard him say. hamas at this point to accept this proposal. i think that is an important point that they want to make. israel has, in fact, despite public talk of benjamin netanyahu's statements, right now, frustrated that this has taken so long, seen not to be heading towards a conclusion and therefore, obviously, they will be willing to think about ways to get just the americans at this point out if there is a way to do it. >> president biden is not the only one expressing frustrations. benny gantz just resigned saying it is the prime minister, he is standing in the way of real victory. what does that signal to you about the state of the war effort and prospects for new elections over there? benjamin netanyahu not once but multiple times in elections for the idea they sat together and the work ethic is remarkable situations, hard to imagine joe biden, donald trump sitting together in a unity government. but, this point, they decided enough is enough. it is not working. prime minister benjamin netanyahu is an obstacle to resolution rather than a leader of it. it puts it. they may require on the far right, staying in power, he knows he will appeal. he may back himself up not finding himself comfortable. avoiding further elections. we would love to see where it leads and further elections and not much chance and not a lot of optimism for prime minister benjamin netanyahu to win another election. he has been a remarkable part of politics. let's sit with the right wing and change locations. you were just in france with president biden. when he was there he spent a lot of time trying to reassure nato allies who are nervous about a second trump term. i want to know how his message was received, a, and b, we keep hearing about our european allies that are worried about trump. there are a lot of elections that took place over europe and they were big, big wins for the far right. it happening over there as well? >> you are absolutely right. not just a u.s. issue. the european elections on sunday were a remarkable shift in power. for the right. you saw president macron from france that just hosted biden the night before, state dinner where they held hands in effect in favor of establishment politics so rocked he is calling new elections in france himself to see if he can not win over his own public where he is, in fact, not very popular, either. these guys will all get together in italy later there week at a g-7 meeting and talk about a lot of the issues like gaza and ukraine and so forth. hovering over it is their weakness, biden's approval is higher than some of the other leaders at the summit. it is a time where they are all on their back heels a little bit amid this right wing popularrism we are seeing in europe and the united states. >> peter, you always make us smarter, thank you very much for being here tonight. when we come back. biden getting a revamp. his new strategy to rev up the race, when "the 11th hour" returns the race, when "the 11th hour" returns good results. look at that! the broccoli was fantastic. that broccoli! i think some of them were six, seven pounds. let's get started. bill, where's your mask? 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>> i think it is smart. reaching people where they are. we know people are getting news from a lot of less traditional outlets and people are watching the news less frequently any way and checking out politics. it is splart to find them when they are not paying attention to the new issues any way. biden campaign recognizes that it has to do with whatever it has to do as we head towards crunch time here. >> mark t is not just about his base. this is about nikki haley voters, trumpers, independents, these are the people who make or break the election. it is currently by a lot of polls in a dead heat. president trump, former president trump is not looking ahead of his base. is this going to work for biden? >> yeah. he has to look beyond the base. that is where the election will be decided. i remember when the bush campaign was in big, big trouble in 2000. we had to do a reset. we kind of got push into it. we did not want to do it. ultimately we decided we needed to because we had to. part of it was prescripted and part of it was making changes but a big part, just doing a reset for the press and the larger public to say okay we heard the message we are doing things differently. it makes sense practically speaking and broodily. you are sending a message to everybody. you heard the message. yes, we are doing things differently. again, in this campaign it is so razor thin. the bidens got to do literally everything right there is one of them. this is good. >> one of the things he needs to do is turn up the volume on the things that donald trump is saying. they are doing that. they are seizing on some of the comments that trump made at his nevada rally this weekend. >> i don't want anyone going on me, we need any voter. i don't care about you i just want your vote, i don't care. >> so, what i just heard him say, i don't care about you, i just want your vote. broy an, did the rally attendees hear this? what? >> did they hear that? >> no. they have selective hearing. trump can say anything and they will just cheer and cheer and cheer on queue. it is important that americans hear it. that is him giving the game away. he does not care about anybody out here. trump's only goal, first, second, third priority is to keep himself out of prison and make the prosecutions against them go away. he has brought forward no plans for, to lower costs, nothing to lower health care costs, nothing to increase the amount of jobs. no plans on housing or inflation. he is focused on keeping himself out of the courthouse and out of the prison. this is a rare incidents, less rare these days. he is just, he is just coming out and saying it. if you want an example of someone who treats their supporters with nothing but contempt, it is something like trump, standing there, on that stage and just basically telling them what he thinks about them. >> what i like to hear about is the truth. and billions in infrastructure funding made its way across the country thanks to the infrastructure bill now law. and suddenly we are seeing some house republicans taking credit for all of these jobs that were created but for facts sake, those same republicans voted against the bill. do their constituents who might not pay attention to traditional politics or watch the news, do they know the truth? they are taking credit for things they voted against? >> no, they don't know the truth because they are not going to hear the truth. it is hypocritical. let me make another point on the vegas speech and the ad and by the way there is another ad that i think the biden campaign has done and it is the best one. donald trump in his own voice talking about veterans. i think they should just leave that up through election day. it is specifically good. really impactful. by the way trump has been complaining about it. what we call that is hit dogs barking. [ laughter ] >> you know he is feeling the pain so it is working. as a former ad guy, i know the most effectiving you can do is not say what you think that person said but let them say what they said themselves, it is great. >> i want to go back to the infrastructure point. what do you do about the fact that you have house republicans patting themselves on the back, taking credit for passing things they voted against? >> i think they have done an effective job at exposing these people. biden said it out loud. he was in lauren's district and she is trying to take credit. going out there, getting in the districts and doing that. and basically where trump one day rallying against toilets nothe flushing and keeping himself out of prison and then biden talking about $35 inhalers and $35 insulin and $2,000 a month health care plans, stuff that is going to impact regular people. they are good-bye that, side by side, it is a matter of getting it out there and hammering the message, over and over and over again. >> they often say what is the one thing that a politician did to change your life or help you in some way and you just got to show people. thank you for being here. still ahead, you want to stay up for this. when coach steve kerr talks, everybody listens the nine time nba champion is here next. his big endorsement in this election and his take on caitlin clark's first month in the pros when the "11th hour" continues the pros when the "11th hour" continues some people just know there's a better way to do things. and some people... don't. bundle your home and auto with allstate and save. you're in good hands with allstate. hi, i'm greg. i live in bloomington, illinois. i'm not an actor. i'm just a regular person. some people say, "why should i take prevagen? 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>> i mean it is clear that president biden is really interested in implementing gun safety measures. common sense gun violence pro vens measures. i have been doing a lot of work the last 10 years with a lot of gun safety prevention people like brady, giffords, sandy hook promise, march for our lives. i have learned so much. i know that we can prevent lives -- president biden is adamant he is going to push for common sense law that can do that. i know that president trump will not do that. so it is a simple choice for me. >> are you voting for joe biden or against donald trump. >> i am voting for joe biden. i think the biggest thing for me is, everybody needs to vote their conscious. on a few issues but this is the main one. i lost my father to gun violence when i was 18 years old. i know how much pain people go through every single day in this country. i know that, that gun violence is the number one killer of children in america. and, i know that there is so much that we can do about this. and, i think most people out there agree with me if you are republican or a democrat. 80% of people in this country want, want universal background checks. does not matter your political affiliation. we can do this. we kind of have to steer the cruise ship there. it is going to take time. we need to implement laws that the vast majority of our country want and president biden is willing to do the work to try to get those changes. >> you have said in the past that before you lost your father, as you said when you were only 18, you felt like your life was impentrable nothing bad can happen to you. what do you say to those people who don't say gun violence is a part of their life so they don't make it a priority. >> you don't know. the chances are likely that you won't be impacted. but there is a good chance that you will, also. and the that is a scary thought. i am a recent grandfather. i have a granddaughter that is 18 months old. i am thinking a lot about when she goes off to kinder garten and she -- kindergarten and she will have to go through mass shooting drills and the trauma our kids across america go through just from the drills and the possibility of facing that kind of situation. it is traumatizing and it is just it is a terrible thought that all of our children are feeling this way. and, again, we know that common sense laws save lives, they absolutely do. and there is so much that we can do and, and it is kind of my civic project that i like to work on. it is just, you know, trying to help get the cruise ship moving. it is going to take a lot of work. it really is up to us as private citizens toip sift that our government, you know, take the necessary moves to make that happen. >> there is a lot of other public figures that share their views, many endorsed biden in 2020. many are staying quiet now. expressing public views right now is getting more and more difficult. the backlash is real. this is not going to be easy for you. you will get heat from all sorts of people. why did you decide to speak out? >> well, it is too important to save lives. and to, i think, do something that is important for our country. not that i am going to be able to do anything by myself but i have a platform. if i can at least get the message out there. i think it is important for families to talk about this issue, neighbors, friends, you know, there is not an attack on the second amendment. this is about implementing things that can save lives. and, again, it could be your own child, it can be your own mother or father, could be you. we have to understand the gravity of gun violence in our country. and not just pass it off as well, this is the price of freedom, you know. that is what a lot of people say. we have to have the freedom that the second amendment provides us. freedom should also be kids going to school and not being afraid. and, there are ways to do this. we can protect the second amendment but protect our citizens with some really simple laws. we just have to get everybody on board. it is such a political hot- button. it is really not a common thought in our country that this is a controversial issue. it is not. as i say, 80% of people want universal background checks. we should have that. that alone would save hundreds if not thousands of lives every year in america. >> you said it right there. it is a political hot-button issue. not when you go in people's homes and sit at their kitchen tables and talk to them about what matters to them. i do want to talk to you about something else that matters to you that you know a lot about. obviously basketball. before you go. you played with michael jordan on the chicago bulls, you know how this super star was treated early and the attention he got. given your experience, your firsthand knowledge, what do you think about caitlin clark's treatment so far in the wnba? >> i think it is a rite of passage. wnba or nba. other players will test you. she reminds me a lot of steph curry. a lot of people may not remember this but in his first couple of years he was not a super star. he was not who he is now. he had to get stronger, he had to understand people were coming after him. that is what is happening with her right now. i think it is all in the name of competition she is handling herself beautifully. she is an amazing player. like any player that comes into the wnba, nba it takes time, they have to get stronger. get used to the athleticism. she will be fine. i think everything she is going through right now is all part of being a pro. >> what do you think about the fact that she will not be at the olympics, you will be there? >> i am so excited. i am sorry she will not be. i am sure she will have a chance in four years. when you put the olympic teams together all you care about is winning. and, you know, it is probably going to take caitlin a couple years to be at the top. i think the women's team is taking the 12 players that they think can help bring home a gold and that is exactly what the men's team did. you know, that is the name of the game. no politics in the olympics. we just want to win. >> and i sure hope you do this year. i can say, nobody remembers when steph curry was not a super star. steve, great to see you, thank you for joining us tonight >> thank you, great seeing you. >> we will have more "11th hour" after the break have morh hour" after the break you know what's brilliant? 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surprise. and the germans really were shocked. they had been occupying france for four years at that point. they had installed a collaborationist regime that they fashioned from nazi forces inside france. the collaborationists and the nazis together were ruling france and they had been for years. there was a french resistance to the nazis but the nazis and their puppets were definitely in charge. they were actually heading into year five of being in charge. they were really settled in in france. and then here comes this shock arrival. this invasion, hundreds of thousands ultimately millions of ally troops landing on the beaches and the cliffs or the northwest of france and they are clearly planning to take it all back. the d day invasion, the allied invasion started on june 6th. now on this date, on june 10th, 1944 just four days into the d day invasion, the germans were reacting. they had been of course shocked by the initial invasion. but a few days into it they now realize the scale of what they were up against and they had started scrambling their units from all over france. turning all the available german troops in france toward the northwest of that country to try to stop the allied advance. and that included a nazi assess panser division that had been in the south of france down by toulousse. that division was ordered to essentially traverse south of the country and toward the beaches of normandy. and on their way north through france toward the new allied front lines the new western front, this panser division stopped in a village called orador, pronazi french collaborators had told them. they told this panser unit that the french resistance was active many this town and told them that the french resistance had killed a nazi officer. and in response that panser unit that yes they were on the way to go join the new western fronts and the battle for the whole war, right. to try to shore up the german lines against the big allied invasion but they decided that on the way they would stop and destroy that village and everyone in it. they rounded up every woman, and child in that village. they even rounded up people who did not live in the village but who were near by or had the misfortune of passing through the village when the nazi unit made this decision. that nazi unit killed every human being in orador or everyone they could find. they killed 643 civilians a vast majority of them women and children. they used machine guns and they burned them alive. they looted the entire village and then they tore down the village as best they could, they razed it. orador. this is what it looks like today. still in ruins. the french decided after the war they would never rebuild. they would leave the ruins, preserve them as they were left at the end of the war as a memorial to what the nazis did. and we have these photos of what orador looks like today. literally today because this morning the president of france and the president of germany visited the ruins at orador to commemorate what they called the martyrdom. now this is not the first time that french president emmanuel macron has visited orador. 10 days before he was first elected president he went there. he visited the village, just before he was elected president. he visited in the company of the man who was then the last living survivor of that massacre. i said the nazis killed everyone in the village. at least everyone they could find. the nazis kill over 600 civilians that day but there were about half a dozen people from the village who against all odds in a miracle managed to survive. the last one of the survivors was in his 90s when he brought emmanuel macron to orador. that last survivor has since died. but today macron went back to the site to orador to show this place to germany's president. now, in 1944 about six month, after orador happened, the germans were still hanging on. but thanks in large part to the d day invasion they knew by the end of 1944 that they were losing. they were losing to soviet forces in the east for sure. they were also simultaneously losing to the allied forces coming in from the west. once the allies opened that new western front with the d day invasion, they started pressing their advantage against the nazis ever where. they're not only liberating france. they're pressing toward germany itself. hitler knows they cannot sustain the losses they're taking on both the eastern and western fronts. so about six months app after d day. hitler decides he's going to form a huge counter offensive against the allies. the allies are closing in on germany's own borders. when hitler musters hundreds of thousands of men to mount a counter offensive against them in the forests of belgium, it absolutely is a surprise to the allies. nobody thought germany still had them in them. a lot of people thought that the war would be done by christmas that year. where did the germans muster 4,000, 5,000 men to counter this offensive but they did. that began a 6 week battle, that would become the biggest counter of the war. as far as that brutal war of that battle. that was the battle of the bulge. that battle also came with its own astonishing and unforgettable atrocity. it was another panser unit much like the one in orador. they ended up in the very outset of that surprise german counter offensive. they ended up ambushing a bunch of americans. the result was they took custody of a large group of american prisoners of war. unarmed american pows. and these pows they again they had surrendered, they had no weapons. the nazis lined up those americans on a field. they are pows, they had surrendered, had no weapons. but the nazis just massacred them on that field. and just like in orador is the fact that there were somehow miraculously some survivors. there were some american gis who had also been lined up on that field who nevertheless lived. americans gi who played dead, who hid under the dead bodies of their comrades. who managed in the end to drag themselves into the woods to get away. and what happened to them? you will not believe me when i tell you this but it would not be long before a sitting united states senator would vehemently object to them giving testimony of what they saw, to what happened to their platoon men. the other pows who were massacred by the nazis. a sitting u.s. senator tried to block those veterans from testifying. he said the american people shouldn't hear it. he said it would be inflammatory, it would inflame the americans against those nazis who killed the american pows. i find it absolutely insane to think about but this became a very strange thing in american domestic politics. i mean, there were unrepenitent left over nazis. they were trying to make americans the real bad guys. when you think about unrepenitent nazis who just lost the war. the thing that you wouldn't believe is that they enlisted a lot of americans to help them in that project. including taking a stand against the american soldiers who survived that pow massacre and demanding that the nazis who did it should be set free. this became a cause seleb in the right wing at the time. it helped launch the national career, the rocket ship ascendants of arguably the most radical figure in the last 80 years before donald trump. while he was swimming in these very dark waters. darker than seems possible in mainstream american politics he would go on to lead a movement of millions of followers who were increasingly radicalized by his increasingly radical rhetoric and tactics over time. his fellow republicans were both repelled by him, horrified by him. while they also wanted in on some of the massive political energy and fanatical devotion that he attracted. they thought very seriously about putting him forward for the presidency. and the reaction among close observers of him and his tactics looked so much like what you are seeing in the american press today about the fear of a second trump term you wouldn't believe it isn't just a straight up rerun. in his time the people who stood up against him, mostly got mowed down in politics by the strength of his fanatical following. that happened for a very long time. until eventually ultimately it stopped happening and the forces against him prevailed. and i'm telling you this for two reasons. number one, this is the thing that i have been working on for the past year. my podcast rachel maddow presents ultra is out today. you can get it any where you get podcasts. if you don't usually listen to podcast you don't know how to do that. if you open your phone right now, open the camera, you click on the little box that pops up on your phone, it will bring you right there so you can listen to it. you can listen to it for free. it's free to listen to. there are eight episodes of this all together. episode one is out today. i hope you will want to listen. i've been working very hard on it. i'm very proud of it but i just, i hope you like it. i hope you will check it out. so that's one of the reasons i'm telling you this story. i have been working on this story. i had been working in general on stories about other times in our american history that we have dealt with really terrible threats to the country. where we have confronted really radical people with really radical refine who get into political power and attract large followings. this has happened to us before. the reason i've been working on this for the last couple of years including this new one that launches today, for me, i feel like i really need to learn this stuff and fast. for me there is a real urgency to learn these stories now. from when we have contended with terrible challenges before. particularly what we're talking about powerful americans, advocating for athoriatism. when it's about selling lies to the american public. and half is mortified by that but the other half of the public are super energized by it. they not only believe these lies they kind of become the new reason for them to live. the public gets gets like that, into earth one and earth two. and that place takes radicalizing them and it takes over their lives. we are living through a moment like that right now with what is ascendant at the american life. but we've lived through this before. i feel i'm racing to learn these stories about american who is have fought these kinds of fights before us for the simple reason that i feel like, i need their ideas about how to fight it. we need their ideas about how to fight these things. we need to see what worked and what didn't when americans faced threats like this before. and it doesn't mean that fighting them always works. sometimes they get away with a lot of this stuff and sometimes people take on incredible risk and danger to themselves. sometimes people risk their lives or give up their lives to fight these things but knowing the track records of americans who have stood up against these kinds of dark and authoritarian forces. knowing who else has tried it and what happened to them is helpful to us calibrating our available responses now and knowing what to expect when we confront these dark movements. so that is why i've been working on this. and that is why that story is on my mind. tonight. but it is also what's on the news right now. i mean one of the remarkable things about seeing the french president with the german president at the ruins of orador today in france is they took that tour of the ruins of that village today. that preserved memorial to what fascism did in europe. they took that tour this morning. just one day after the german far right and the french far right won shockingly large proportions of the vote in the european elections that were held yesterday. in both of those countries the parties that did so well have ties not only to the old fascist parties of world war ii era germany and france but they both have tied to putin and russia. when president biden was in france, he and president macron agreed on a new plan to seize russian assets in the g7 countries and use those seized russian assets to provide more support to ukraine as ukraine continues to struggle against the russian invasion of that country. president biden is just back from france for these d day commemoration ceremonies. he heads back to europe the day after tomorrow to go to the g7 summit. among other things presumably to try to rally the other g7 nations to support this new plan. to support ukraine as much as possible including this new plan that he and macron have just agreed to involving seizing russian assets to help ukraine even more. and you know, in the american aperture here what's going on here in our politics while president biden is trying to you know rally the free world trying to strengthen our alliances as much as possible to lead collective international will, against a rogue dictatorship that has invaded one big european country already and has its sights set on more. here at home, literally while president biden and other american leaders were headed off to europe for the 80th anniversary of d day, while they were heading off to europe for that, what was happening in the american congress? a fifth of the republicans in congress just voted that we should leave our allies all together. that we should break up the big western alliance. that we should defund nato. and i think nobody really paid attention to this vote because this legislation was put forward by a very fringe member of congress. a member of congress who is known for her publicity stunts and she is therefor, i am eager, she is easy to ignore. but it wasn't just her. 47 republicans voted for this thing. a fifth of the republicans in congress last week voted to defund nato. don't just forget being the leader of the free world forget the whole idea of there being a free world at all. they saved that for the anniversary of d day. 46 republicans voting to defund nato. and as radical as that may seem, particularly when you think about where nato came from and why. the wing of the republican party that is pushing for this stuff, i mean on its face it seems unlikely that they would have such sway. right every few days we get a new mug shot of one of their leading lights because so many of them have been charged with crimes. today, it was their presidential candidates personal lawyer. who has had his law license suspended, who is under indictment rudy giuliani's mug shot just released today after he was arraigned in arizona. you can put it up on the wall with all the other maga republican mug shots we have accrued in the past year. their presidential candidate is a convicted felon. today he had to meet with his probation officer. people in his rallies not only fly t-shirts and fly flags that have his mug shot on them. they started carrying signs and wear shirts that say they are proudly voting for the convicted felon. at a rally this weekend, their presidential candidate described members of the mob of his supporters who physically attacked congress an injured dozens of police officers he described them in a speech this weekend as quote warriors. his warriors. people who took part in that mob attack on congress. his warriors. while a few days ago, two police officers who were both badly injured fighting hand to hand with that mob to defend congress, to defend the u.s. capital, those two police officers were jeered and booed by the republicans. they jeered them, turned their backs on them and walked out. these are two officers who were injured in that fight. they were literally injured defending our congress. but the republicans who jeered at them and turned their backs on them and walked out they want the attackers freed and they don't want to hear what these survivors of the attack had to say. they don't want to hear from the survivors and the witnesses they want the attackers set free. we are going through some weird stuff right now. but we have gone through weird stuff before. and i do think that we can learn from it and that we urgently need to. that's why i've been working on all these projects. that's why i have this new podcast out and i hope you listen to it. it wasn't from the recent past, when we got donald trump in the white house in the first place. you may remember what proceeded. our shock presidential election result in 2016 was proceeded that year by some shocking and surprisingly right wing election results in europe. including the brexit vote which happened just months app -- months after trump's presidential win. was it right to see right wing election results in europe as a harbinger of what was happening to us in 2016. as biden has back to back trips to europe. he just got back to europe. he heads back to europe again on wednesday. do the election results from europe right now, this weekend have hallmarks that tell us anything about what to expect here and about how weird this is all going to get? president biden clearly sees our connections to europe right now as absolutely key to the future of the world. just what's going on in the european politics right now tell us anything to expect about the future of our world here? joining us now is ben rhodes. he's cohost of the pod save the world podcast. ben it's really great to see you. thanks for making time to be here tonight. >> good to see you. >> first, let me just ask you, for some of our viewers who may not have paid close attention to what was happening in the european elections this weekend. let me ask you two questions about them. do you think they are important for us to pay attention to, and can you give us a rough characterization of what happened in those elections? >> sure, these are elections for the european parliament. so the european union wide parliament. it's the only election that takes place every few years in which all of europe votes. so it's a good barometer of where opinion is in europe. i think the two headlines are, the far right made noticeable gains in the two largest countries in europe. france and germany. and france the national front party which is the far right party that used to be on the fringes of french politics, emerged as by far the largest vote getter in this election and just build on, what you were saying, rachel, this is a party that is far right they got a $10 million loan from russia in the last decade. this is reality. and in germany, the afd party which has ties that go back to the neonazi germany. they got 15% of the vote. not a huge total but very alarming given the source here. i want to be clear in other parts of europe, the center did hold. but the two most important countries france and germany we saw these far right gains. >> do you think that it's right to look back at 2016 to see some of what was going on in europe as a harbinger for the shocking election result we got in 2016 when trump won. do you think these election results should be read as a harbinger of what's coming down the pipeline for us this year? >> i absolutely do, rachel. the commonality about the brixit vote and the trump election was that it was a lot, it was a surprise. people did not think that brexit was going to win that campaign and they campaigned on a right wing populous message. the slogan was take back control. and they ran against globalists and liberal elites and against immigration and was very trumpy in its message. it kind of forshadowed what we ended up taling with in the fall. the warning in this election and you asked me a question to talk about my book a few years ago about far right parties and their commonalities around the world. you asked me what lesson should we learn. i always think about that. the lesson i take from this is there are incumbent parties in europe and france that have defended the status quo. emmanuel macron has been a defendant of the liberal union. people are not listening to that message right now. you cannot defeat these parties. these populous by beating the status quo. that's hard for the united states. but you have to tap into people's disfraction with globalization. dissatisfaction with inequality. that things are slipping out of control. it's not enough to say, we're the responsible adults you have to get down and have a message for how things are going change. i think that's the warning sign joe biden should hear. not enough to run on status quo. not enough to defend even things we think are very important. you have to meet people where they are and people are frustrated. >> ben rhodes former deputy national security advisor to president obama. ben, thank you for making the time. i feel like, when we need to like widen the lens a lot and look at america in the world, you're almost always one of the first people i think about on these things. thank you for being here. >> i can't wait for you to check out the podcast too, it sounds great. >> i appreciate it. thank you. >> we have much more ahead here tonight, 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record of them standing up and what they had to stand up against forming the basis for this sprawling damming criminal indictment. the other story of georgia since that election is all the work that protrump republicans have done to make sure nothing like that ever happens again. to make sure nobody can ever again get in the way of trump seizing georgia's 16 electoral votes no matter what the votes say. the most obvious thing georgia republicans have done is used every tool at their disposal to derail willis prosecution of trump. in the latest, two republicans judges have placed the trial on pause. guaranteeing they will not go forward on trump before the election. that's only the start. in georgia's most populous country, one republican elections board member last month refused to certify the primary results there. because you know, elections are scary. with the help of lawyers from a protrump think tank she has now filed a lawsuit seeking the power to block the certification of elections which would of course throw november's results in georgia into chaos. which is presumably the point. meanwhile just north of fulton county republicans recently started agitating to take over an elections board in cherokee county. now the board there like other countries in georgia, has always been evenly split between democrats and republicans. but republicans are no longer okay with that they wanted a full scale republican take over. when that was blocked they came up with an ingenious new plan. they decided they would replace one of the democratic commissioners who had been nominated by the local republican party with their own choice. their own choice for a democrat. a new guy that none of the local democrats have never heard of. but don't worry, the republicans who run cherokee county swear this guy they picked is definitely a democrat. the atlanta general constitution reported that the republican cherokee county commission chairman quote assured the board the new board member is a democrat even if the local democratic party is unfamiliar with him. i assure you, he's definitely on your team. i know you've never met him, and i picked him but trust me. pinky promise. at the state elections board in texas, republicans there just started writing a new rule that would allow county elections board to conduct a reasonable inquiry before they certify any election results. so instead of signing off on election results as county election boards are now requiring to do by law they would be empowered instead to investigate those results as they see fit. the general constitution notes that quote the proposed rule doesn't say what a reasonable inquiry would entail before certifying an election. yeah why would you specify that. you want every election denying boards member in georgia just making it up as they go along calling their own behavior reasonable. while the presidential election potentially hangs in the balance. speaking of that state elections board, one of its republican members was ousted last month one of its republican members was ousted after trump reportedly spent months calling georgia republicans insisting that that election board member had to go. because that person was not backing trump's lies about the 2020 election. and so of course the guy had to go. trump's personal involvement in remaking the georgia state elections board, is just one of the revelations in new reporting from rolling stone. their new piece is headlined georgia is our laboratory. inside trump's plan to rig 2024. it details how trump's allies are working to make sure there will not be a straightforward election result in georgia this year. given georgia's status. what is happening there, what is happening to stop what is happening there. one of the reporters on that rolling stones piece joins us here next. stay with us. this soil will blow you away. it's the martha stewart of soil. when i was diagnosed with h-i-v, i didn't know who i would be. but here i 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reelected by the voters of the state by a larger margin than any other, excuse me. >> order, order. >> by a larger margin than any other statewide office. the voters. >> order, order. >> have demonstrated their faith and therefor i do not believe that at present we have the authority to oversee or investigate the secretary of state. >> when georgia's board of elections the lone democrat on that elections vote spoke out against doing this unprecedented investigation of rathenburger. she was loudly shouted down? in a new article titled georgia is our laboratory. inside trump's plan to rig 2024, rolling stone says this, they have been shaping electoral processes to his benefit. maga die-hards are intimidating officials and ousting election officials who haven't been initiated into the cult of trump. georgia is the sole battleground state where the republican party has total control over power. have wielded that advantage in a crusade to convert, discredited election conspiracy theories into policies. well ahead of election day 2024. it's an alarmingly experiment that trump planned and much of the republican party hope to take national. joinening -- joining us now is donald rolsing. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> so what are the steps trump has taken to take the electoral of georgia. >> one of the most disturbing one. who an attorney, a republican attorney they are planning to challenge the electoral results regardless of the result. we think of, the threat to elections from trump's behavior in to 2020 as only occurring in the event that trump loses. at the current state polling, trump is ahead in polling. if you believe the polling. but what they told us is that quote, you can't let the left get away with this cheating just because it didn't succeed you know air qualities around cheating. and the plan is to, challenge the results regardless of the outcome. the intent behind that is essentially a permanent delitimazation. heads you win, heads i lose. one of the things people should be paying close attention to is that refusal to certify in the fulton county board of elections in the presidential primary: because one of the things that's very, very notable about that is that the attorneys who filed that lawsuit work for america first policies institute. which is a very trumpy organization filled with former trump folks. and what you see in those type of processes is the legal january 6th in miniature. you're taking someone who is you know, acting beyond their brief and trying to essentially insert themselves into the counting and you know assessment of vote tallies. >> adam, is this actually a fight in georgia? you note, i think importantly that georgia is a place where republicans control all of the levers of power. we just played a the sound of the state elections board getting shouted down when she objected to what they were trying to do in terms of targeting rafensburger. is this fight joined where there's push back against what they're doing. or are they essentially running the table by changing processes to their own benefit. >> they definitely have quite a built in advantage. and i think that's why georgia, you know relative to other battleground states is particularly interesting because it is more so than perhaps any other state a fight for the sole republican party es -- especially when it comes to their sole. yeah in fact, kemp which was in the way of trump. kemp signed procedural jim crow of the 20th century. even folk who is have proven themselves to be obstacle to some of the most overt processes of it sometimes just go along to get along. it definitely does have an advantage and they are running the table in certain ways but you see folks like ed lyndsey who's resignation letter we obtained in the story. people like that you still do have these kind of principal republicans who are willing to stand up for what they believe in. as you see ed had resigned from a great deal of pressure 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that he was less than 24 hours away from his first meeting with his new york state probation officer. that meeting could be particularly nervewracking for him because one of the things a probation officer asks you after you're convicted of felonies is if you've been associating with anyone who has a criminal record. that's worth noting because if he is ultimately sentenced to probation next month, while he's on probation he will not be allowed to associate with anyone with a criminal record and for a lot of people that wouldn't be a big deal but for him that's a big deal. that particular restriction eats away at a lot of his social circle. so maybe that was all distracting him. i don't know. he maybe had a lot, i don't know. whatever the reason, he decided to venture into new territory in his campaign speech yesterday, with less than 5 months out he decided what the landlocked citizens of las vegas needed to hear about from him in order to be persuaded to vote for him was his fear of 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that will do it for us tonight. i told you that tonight would be a show and have. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> i listened to episode one of the new podcast today. i got to ask you a favor. >> okay.>> did you stop doing this thing where you reveal really dramatic interesting stories about united states senators i've never heard of? because one of the angles on me getting a paycheck out of this place is i pretend that i'm like the senate expert because i worked there for a while. this is not helpful, rachel. i spend the day listening to you telling me that a senator i've never heard of, and, by the way, the single most dramatic thing that has ever occurred in the building where i used to work at i did not know it happened until today listening to you, and it's not supposed to be like that.>> i will start doing podcasts that are about state legislatures in states you never been to. >> rachel, i am filled with questions and possible spoiler questions that you are free to deflect, could you possibly join me after i get a little work done here about trump's probation to talk about the podcast because there are so many things i want to see if you can answer, and then, of course, there might be things you don't want to answer.>> i would love that. i look forward to answering your questions and dodging them? >> getting your slippers while i chat with andrew weissmann and we will do that. >> thank you. today was a routine workday for america's probation officers. one of those probation officers had the least routine workday of that probation officers life today when that probation officer new york city became the first probation officer in history to interview a former president of the united states. his first probation interview today is a standard and necessary part of determining what sentence donald trump should receive after a manhattan jury found him guilty of 34 felony charges of falsifying business records with the criminal intent of violating new york election lot in the 2016 presidential election. the probation department will use his responses today to determine what sentence the probation department will recommend for defendant trump at his sentencing hearing on july 11th. in another demonstration of donald trump getting extra favorable treatment, while he is complaining of being persecuted, judge juan merchan allowed his criminal defense lawyer to attend his first probation meeting and the probation department allowed it to take place virtually with donald trump in florida. a special treatment for trump did not go unnoticed by the legal aid society, the bronx defenders, new york county defender services and neighborhood defender services. they issued a joint statement saying all people convicted of crimes should be allowed counsel in their probation interview not just billionaires. this is another example of the two-tiered system of justice. presentencing interviews with probation officers influence sentencing, and public defenders are deprived of joining their clients for these meetings. the option of joining these interviews virtually is typically not extended to the people we represent either. to ensure integrity and fairness, we call on nyc department of probation to ensure that all new yorkers, regardless of income, status, or class, receive the same presentencing opportunities. nbc news is reporting that the interview lasted less than 30 minutes and that trump's probation officer is a woman. cnn is reporting that the commissioner for new york city department of probation was present along with the general counsel for the department. joining our discussion is the former commissioner of new york city's department of probation. thank you for joining us tonight. first of all, we want to get a sense of how unusual this was. we already have a sense that it was a bit unusual. as to the presence of counsel and it being remote you have these people representing other defendants saying that is never available to us. >> that is correct. it is highly unusual. i think it is appropriate to make some accommodation and recognize the fact that when trump shows up he will be accompanied by the secret service, he will be accompanied by the press, and his presence may be disruptive. the idea of doing the interview remotely does not troubled me that much. i think it is somewhat appropriate. and certainly during covid probation made use of these kind promote interviews. i think you can make arguments both ways. the presence of counsel is highly unusual and the presence of the commissioner is something i've never heard of in 40 years in this business. >> can you think of a reason for doing it? would you have done it. would you join that meeting?>> no. i cannot think of a reason to do it. i think it skews the interview. i think too many people in the room is distracting and disruptive and not conducive to candor. i definitely would not have done that and i don't think it should be done in this case.>> 30 minutes is the report we are getting. what you make of that? >> it sounds abbreviated to me. usually these things take at least one hour. the content of what this interview is supposed to cover and what this report is supposed to address is spelled out very explicitly in state regulations, and it goes on in some link that covers a wide array of issues. i don't believe they could be addressed in a half hour unless mr. trump just refused to discuss all of them, which is his right to do. >> there is reporting that he did cooperate and answer all the questions. i'm not sure whether that is completely true. assuming that, what you think the most important things aren't that they should have obtained in this discussion? >> i think that the judge certainly knows this defendant. he does not need to know much more. i think the important question to be addressed here was aggravating or mitigating circumstances. this was an opportunity for the defendant to set forth mitigating circumstances and for the probation officer, on behalf of the people, to set forth aggravating circumstances. but most importantly of all is the question of if this individual is not sent to prison but is granted probation , is this an individual who is likely to accept the terms of that probation and the supervision of a probation officer. >> and what would the terms of probation be and what would that supervision be like? >> all i can speak to is the typical case, and obviously, this is not a typical case. typically, a probationer would be expected to report to the probation office periodically. certainly no less than monthly at first. and to keep the probation officer apprised of his or her comings and goings, certainly not to engage in illegal activities and not to associate with individuals engaged in illegal activities. and not to misuse drugs or alcohol. to fulfill his or her financial obligations both to his or her defend -- dependence or any fines or restitution that has been ordered. >> what about associating with people who have been convicted of crimes? many people around donald trump have been convicted of crimes.>> historically this has been discouraged by probation agencies around the country. it has been liberalized somewhat recently, but i think it is something that the probation officer appropriately would discuss with the individual to determine whether the association is occurring for a good reason or not.>> martin horn, thank you very much for sharing your expertise.>> you are welcome. >> this evening in florida, trump's favorite federal judge denied his request to dismiss the federal criminal case against him for violations of the espionage act and illegal possession of classified documents. the judge said that the prosecution documents are permitted by law, raise evidentiary challenges not appropriate for disposition at this juncture, and/or do not require dismissal even if technically deficient, so long as the jury is instructed appropriately and presented with adequate verdict forms as to each of defendant's alleged conduct. the judge did grant the request to strike a paragraph of the indictment about his alleged meeting with a representative of his political action committee believed to be his campaign advisor, susie wiles, at his golf club in new jersey in 2021. it says that trump showed that person a classified map at that time. judge cannon said because showing that map is not one of the charged crimes in the indictment, it is not appropriate to include it in the indictment. in the ongoing scandal that is the united states supreme court, now there are tapes thanks to warren windsor. lauren windsor is an activist known to approach important republican people attending to be an ally and making flattering comments and secretly recording the responses. she is a dues paying member of the supreme court historical society, which has corrupted itself into an organization that allows right-wing supreme court influencers to comfortably influence right- wing supreme court justices at the annual dinner of that organization. last year at the supreme court historical society annual dinner, lauren windsor made recordings of her chats with supreme court justices that even she found so uninteresting she did not publish them. this year was different. she got samuel alito to agree on tape to returning the country to a place of godliness. >> as a catholic and as someone who really cherishes my faith, i just don't -- i don't know that we can negotiate with the left in the way that needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think it's a matter of, light, winning. >> i think you're probably right. on one side or the other, one side or the other is going to win. i don't know. i mean, there can be a way of working, a way of living together peacefully. but it's difficult, you know, because there are differences on fundamental things that really can't be compromised. so it's not like you're going to split the difference. >> that's what i'm saying. it's just -- i think that the solution really is like winning the moral argument. like people in this country who believe in god have got to keep fighting for that to return our country to a place of godliness. >> i agree with you. >> and by contrast, chief justice roberts responded very differently. >> but you don't think there's a role for the court in guiding us toward a more moral path? >> no. i think the role for the court is deciding the case is. if i start -- would you want me to be in charge of guiding morals?>> i believe that the founders were godly, like were christians, and i think that we live in a christian nation and that are supreme court should be guiding us in that path. >> i don't know if that's true. i don't know that we live in a christian nation. i had jewish and muslim friends that would say maybe not and it's not our job to do that. it is our job to decide the cases as best we can.>> and since justice alito made his wife a public figure by blaming her publicly for flying flags supportive of the january 6th insurrection, you might expect her to have little to say to strangers about flags. and you would be wrong. >> why do you think they are coming after you? i mean like, the whole appeal to have have been flag -->> the other thing is they believe -- >> rush limbaugh coined the term when he was not just the center of right-wing media, he was the only real national right-wing media. fox news was not invented yet so samuel alito's wife is quoting material from rush limbaugh that is over 30 years old that's how long she has apparently been listening and taking direction from the likes of rush limbaugh. >> you know what i want? i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i have to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. and he's like, oh please don't put up a flag. but when you are free of this nonsense, i'm putting it up and i'm going to send the message every day. maybe every week i'll be changing the flags. i made a flag in my head. it's white and has yellow and orange flames around it and in the middle is the word shame in italian. >> joining us now is andrew weissmann. he is co-author of the best- selling book, the trump indictments. andrew, this is quite an interesting window of sound into the thinking of justice alito and chief justice roberts. >> well, it could not be more striking from both of them of where the country is and we are hearing from a man who is a principal architect for the reversal, after 50 years, of roe v. wade. his thinking is in that decision is just as weak as his thinking that was shown in the letter he submitted trying to justify the flag incidents. and you have this dichotomy because you have the chief justice saying, what is the correct thing to say. we are on the eve of getting a decision on presidential immunity. it is a real lot on this country and the judicial system and i hate to be so direct that you have justice alito and justice thomas sitting on those decisions. that is not the way the country is supposed to be operated and not the way the court should be operating. their conduct as reflected on these tapes but their conduct in many ways without these tapes is something that is besmirching an important branch of government in this country that we are entitled to count on and it's hard to have faith in the system when you have that kind of conduct in these tape recordings coming out. >> we also have in these tapes, something very close to proving that justice alito lied publicly about the flags and the reason for the flags being up because the person he's blaming saying she wants these flags because of the other ones people have including the pride flag that somehow is oppressive to her. >> absolutely. there is nothing in there that i did it just in response. and even that story, the timing of that story did not make any sense in terms of what it was supposed to be in response to. as referred with respect to the police report and the neighbor across the way. so what is just amazing to me is there is zero accountability of the supreme court. and that is where chief justice roberts, as much as he might be a good man personally and he obviously said the right things. you don't really get credit for that because that is what is expected, but that is where he is to blame in part for not taking stronger action and there are a number of things he can do that would put more pressure on two justices who are not upholding their oath of office and away that helps this country at large, whatever side you're on. if you saw this from a liberal justice, we would be just as outraged and, of course, you would hear just as much, but it's not appropriate behavior. >> you know, andrew, i will speak for me. i spent most of my life finding inconceivable that we would be doing a story about a supreme court justice lying. and lying about something important that affects the integrity of the course own decisions. and i am now realizing in retrospect that the reason it was inconceivable was the supreme court justices themselves who we grew up with who could not possibly step in these things the way that samuel alito has or that clarence thomas has but especially justice alito with the flags and his wife making these comments to stranger about the flags that have become something far beyond controversial. the flags that they are flying -- that shared the spirit of the january 6th insurrection, all of that completely inconceivable not because of any ethics enforcement body but because, who was actually serving on the supreme court, whether we agreed with them or not during most of our lifetimes. >> i just want to point out one other aspect of what he was hurt on tape saying is that this is a christian nation and should be brought more to be a christian nation. and is a jewish american, that is not what our country is about. there is an establishment clause that's is supposed to separate the religious beliefs, which everyone is entitled to their own, but it's not established by the government. and that principal is very much under attack right now. with at least five if not six justices. hearing that from justice alito's mouth basically rips off any sort of pretense as to what is going on and it really tells you very much how dishonest the dobbs decision was that reversed roe v. wade. the idea that we are just sending it back to the states. that is not what is going on. this is part of a religious fervor and you have justice alito saying it out loud and whether you like the idea of the tape recordings happening in the way they were done is neither here nor there because there was nothing that prevented him from responding the way that justice roberts responded, which was correct. >> and it reveals the profound depths of the stupidity of samuel alito. andrew weissmann, thank you very much for joining us tonight.>> you are welcome. 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he did this, was the newly elected governor of the state of wyoming.>> it gives me pleasure to introduce you at this time, the honorable lester hunt. >> he set his sights on the u.s. senate, and he won that race too. >> our distinguished guest this evening is the honorable lester c hunt. >> the most popular politician in his state, lester hunt, newly elected u.s. senator, he heads to washington to do what he has always done, to advocate for his constituents for the people of wyoming. and to do some good for the rest of the country through service in the u.s. senate. he is as poised as anyone could be for success in that job, but things are about to change him radically. what he is about to encounter in washington will cost him his life. he will not live to see the end of even one term as a u.s. senator. >> joining us now is rachel maddow. you can get the first episode anywhere you listen to podcasts. and you can subscribe to msnbc. him and get every episode. rachel, i cannot take it. listen. we have 10 minutes. tell me the rest of it right now. i cannot wait for the next episode. >> well, i mean, and then there is us. it becomes the america that we know. i will not tell you the whole story. thank you for letting me come to show and talk about it. lester hunt is -- i mean, he stopped completely forgotten figure, but things went so badly for him very quickly after he got to washington that what i was trying to do in episode one was create the sense of the lost possibility. he really did lose his life to the scandal that i am working on in this podcast. it is a huge loss for the country because he did have a bright future ahead of him and everything else in his life leading up to that moment was not anything to go by. and i think i've become good at resurrecting old villains who we forgotten about from history, but lester hunt is one of the good guys that we need to remember his legacy and the loss of him to something that went wrong with extremism in american politics and it is something we should regret and remember and commemorate. >> he's a democrat getting elected in republican wyoming. a difficult thing to do and impressive no matter when you hear that. he's like the jon tester of his time in that situation. but apparently, very naove when he gets to washington in such a way and i'm speaking beyond what i know. but clearly he gets eaten up by washington and this is the drama about more than him. >> so what happens with him, and you will get there very quickly in the next few episodes, is that he's confronted in the senate with the first major thing he does in the senate. there is another senator in the opposite party who is his opposite and this other senator gets involved in a propaganda campaign . a foreign influence operation, which is an outrageous, like, dirty, false conspiracy theory tale designed to hurt united states. and lester hunt realizes what the other senator is doing. he's repulsed by it, and they come to loggerheads in the senate over this thing that the other senator is trying to advance. part of the reason i wanted to do this story is that while this is happening and while they are becoming mortal enemies in the senate, they lived next door to one another and their backyards backup to each other's houses. and while they have decided they are out to destroy each other, they can see how each other are living. and it only ratchets up the repulsion that lester hunt has and he decides on to take the political risk and i have to stand up against a monster like this and he does. and it is for the good of the country and it costs him his life. what he is fighting for and the reason he's fighting against that foreign influence operation in washington and the lowdown depth that some people will go to for political gain is an inspiration to me, even though it cost him his life.>> the first season talks about the poll that fascism had in the united states. the attraction it had for some people, how far they were willing to go to advance the cause of fascism here, and this -- and that is pre-world war ii and into world war ii. and this takes us to a period after world war ii. those people, most of them disappeared and -- >> one of the things we talked a lot about was that it became a forgotten story. the great sedition trial and the americans that worked with a asian they were defeated one way or another. and that means that we forgot their stories. and it means we forgot their stories pretty quickly. when they were let go and didn't get prosecuted for it and in the case of members of congress, none of them were prosecuted at all. their story was mostly forgotten and those of them that stayed in public life kept being the same kind of people they were before. for example, one of the characters in season 2 is someone who was part of the silver shirts and was writing for and in season 2 he ends up being the subject of an international years long manhunt by the u.s. government as, they believe him not just to be an american fascist, but a traitor and a nuclear terrorist. so this stuff gets worse. and he ends up involved with the republican senator who is a sitting senator in the u.s. senate. so when you let these folks get away with things, it is important that you please keep tabs on them to see where else they're going to turn up because it is never good. >> how many episodes, rachel?>> there are eight. >> and those of us who want 16 or 24, what do we do -- so you tell stories in your show that are similar to this and they tend to be 20 to 25 minutes. each podcast episode is significantly longer than that. what is the difference for you, as a storyteller, in the way you approach the podcast as opposed to the way you approach the show? >> a very good question. the podcast is basically -- it's a little book. it's a tv show. if you put all the episode legs together it's something that i want to hold your attention for about 4 to 5 hours. so in order to hold your attention for that time, it has to be well told. we use a lot of archival audio and historical audio and the wyoming audio archives to get the sound of lester hunt's voice was an incredible odyssey and superfund. but this is a single story arc that cannot be told in the course of the tv show. you have to stick with it. but by the time you get to the end, you should've learned a new thing about american history and be propelled along the way by the dramatic interest in it so it sticks. i want these stories to be memorable. i'm interested in these stories because i think they should be well known and we should all remember lester hunt and we should remember there was an internationally wanted american fascist fugitive who was involved with the republican senate at the onset of the cold war. we should understand what happens when the great sedition trial of the united states and with all of those people getting away and those seditionist movements getting away without ever being criminally -- held criminally accountable for what they've been charged with. i want those stories to be vernacular and be a part of the way we think about our history as americans in dealing with a really strong anti-democratic challenges. we have a strong anti- democratic challenge right now, so we should know what are the options for how to respond to it and what has worked well in the past and what has not.>> the key to this great drama is, even if you don't care about democracy, and i don't understand you if you don't, if you don't care about democracy, this is still great drama with great characters just perfectly told by america's friendliest boys to tell you scary things. the good news is these scary things are kind of over, except there are threads of them that are still with us now. an alternative name for ultra you could've considered, but stuff that lawrence o'donnell does not know. that could be the title. it's hard to squeeze it into that small space. but what did you 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>> well, before i get to that, i want to point out that compared to the opening where we talked about justice alito and the concern about the rule of law in this country, this is an example of the criminal trial of the rule of law working where you see the court functioning, even when you're dealing with a former president, or, in this case, the son of a president. there focusing on intent. the proof here is very strong that there was possession of a gun. there is very strong evidence that the addiction that hunter biden had and the issue is, was he aware during the relevant time periods of when he signed the form that said that essentially he was not an addict and did he believe at that point that he was an addict. and at the time that he possessed the gun for that two- week period, did he also believe that he was an addict. there is an intent. making a mistake is not for criminal law. this is a criminal case and they will be focused on that. there is sufficient proof if the jury wants to find it. it is very strong case. but abby lowell is an extremely good defense lawyer and we will see if he pulls a rabbit out of the hat. the big picture for the public is less of what happens and the fact that you have a president of the united states living the rule of law in this country and you have the rule of law working for the president son. >> andrew weissmann, thank you very much. >> we will be right back. what causes a curve here? 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[screaming] [screaming] >> laura: it is a disgrace, that is the statue across from the white house in the lafayette park. was a commander in the french army who helped america during the revolutionary war. that is what happens when radical leftism and sympathizers take over the ark. thousand showed up towedo prote. the question i had all week, where as law enforcement? there was this poor guy. [chanting]d st >> laura: assaulted up youappe would when the police tried to step in the one time, this happened. [chanting] >> laura: the park place, the d.c. metro police, secret service knew this testst was happening weeks ago, so it is unclear why the statutes weren't protected, given what w happened to the sameer park in e same park memorial day 2020. we cri were there. now, we have no my criminals onu video assaulting police officers, committing crimes, and look, we understand there are no plans to prosecute anyone here that the protest is described as largely peacefulrida.ca in florida, iowa, tennessee, vandals were caught on camera doing with these friends arr wet doing they would be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. but in liberal areas if you are a democrat or someone the democrats are trying to court to vote for them, they don't have to worry. and these protesters knew this. >>s president biden certainly unlike president trump supports the freedom of expertise andt freedom of expression. so they are exercising their rights and that is their right toare do. >> laura: these are among the most privileged people outrisd there. they can do stuff in blue states, liberal jurisdictions or as we saw on college campuses, and they can get away with it,su total impunity. here are the laws that can and should be used against anti-american anarchist.fe 1361 is the destruction of federal properly and authorizes a penalty of up to ten yearst fo imprisonment for the willful injury of federal property. an aunt amidst of remember the 2020 riots, the trumd smpan administration issued smartly in the executive protecting american monuments and memorials, noting it is the department of ps. justice to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law anyin person destroying, damaging, vandalizing or desecrating aor monument memorial or a statute within the u.s. or otherwise damages government property.ffic but with biden in office, common sense and the rule of law are out the window. law is supposed to apply across the board to all, but we have two sets of laws cured one for friends of the regime, and one for the enemies of the regimehe where they think of the enemies of the regime who should expect to be persecuted whenever possible. so, what happened to the pro-life demonstrators put in prison for years, the janppen january 6th defendants hunted down, and of course, what we sea happening to president trump. but the fact is biden, kamala harris, merrick garland and college administrators will always cut a break to the people who hate america. look, as long as you areu defending traditional americansa christians, others or if you potentially help democrats, why basically you can do whatever you want to be or that is why those people are spray painting statue and throwing stuff at thh police officer.endi this is what they mean when they talk about defending democracy. if a bunch of twentysomethings oklahoma though through red paint on thel black lives matter mural on 16th street across from the park, they had beenwoul arrested. they had been arrested on the spot. the doj would hold a press conference and it would be a big deal, large, large forces of doe prosecutors would be bearing down on these people right now here to becausthe e we know what looks like when the doj wants to get serious and send a message f deterrence. >> the fbi is quite familiar with large-scale, complex and fast-moving investigations.ity we are up to the challenge. the brutality the american people watched with shock and disbelief on the sixth will not be tolerated by the fbi. the men and women at the fbi will leave no stone unturned in this investigation. >> laura: even this yearts, thes are still sending doj alerts about january 6th and you seeid this guy, the democrat on the hill put a statement out callina for the prosecution of the people who did that in lafayette park? it is clearly the policy at this point of the administration and thdothe doj that left-wing grous can destroy any statute, they can block any road, they can do any of that as long as the democratic party doesn't have to pay any political price. the doj doesn't work for you. y it works for joe biden and the democrat party. we told you this from thehe outset. the statute takedowns and destructions, it was never about the confederacy or property lee or slaveholders or the 1800s, this was about their hatred of the american story. they do not believe in the constitution. they do not believthere in the n declaration of independence or whether we win another war, they don't care about that. for that matter, they don't cara california, illinois, new york, they don't care if it goes downs the drain, look what they were doing to migrants. it doesn't matter to them. as for the democrats in congress, they, too, know theey rules of accountability do not u apply to them not the same way as republicans. asy pe we told you from the very beginning, if nancy pelosi had done her job before january 6th, the breach never would have happened at the capital. and now, we have proof that shes knew she was responsible. this was footage taken by her own daughter of the day the attack. >> any did not have any accountability for what was going on there and we should ha. this is ridiculous. you are goin g to ask me in the middle of the thing, they have already reached the inauguralce? stuff that should we call the capitol police? t i mean, the national guard? why would the national guard not there to begin with? speak what they thought thatth they had sufficient -- >> they don't know! they clearly didn't know, and i take responsibility for not having them. >> laura: she said she was responsible not once but twice on that tape.da the democrat leadership in charge that day was responsible for how it got out of hand.ei no wondellr they kept those thousands of hours of surveillance videos secret until the republican house speaker ordered thease.e release. so by now, i think more americans see the real privilege out there.t co the privilege that protects some of the most corrupt people. the political write a report ony the vat money trail is interesting to me, but we know they will never be held accountable. it doesn't matter how shady their money of sources are ors oflong time drifter racking up tens of billions of dollars forr their whole family tree for thao joe biden lied about not talkind to hunter's foreign business contacts. it is the ultimate privilege,nd and thats is "the angle."late hunter's future now lies in the hands of the jury started late this afternoon with jury deliberations in the federal gun trial. irea if convicted on all three counts lying on a federal firearms form october 2018, he faces a maximun sentence of 25 years in prison. instead of focusing on what the actual crimes are come at theki ngmedia spends most of its time lamenting about what a heartbreaking moment this is for the biden family.g >>no this has been an emotional trial from the start unfolding not only in front of a jury but in front of the eyes of hunter biden's mother.me diversely the jill biden, and other members of the family.th so the closest people in the biden circle inside the courthouse, the force is no different withfa the women in hs familyrect all side-by-side andn directly behind hunter biden. nw the 120 may now judge janine." pyro, host of "the five" and it is interesting job there jill biden flew from france for a day to sit in that courtroom as the jury was still there. the she flew back to france, huge expense of the taxpayers and a lot of people wondering about that what that might have said to the jury. clebut is this a clear case her could weal expect acquittal in u liberal jurisdiction? >> first of all, you are absolutely right, laura, solo transatlantic flight so she could stay as long a bs she coud with the trial and then get back to the trial. look, the biden family is trying to put on a united front here, when in truth, laura, they are as dysfunctional as a family caa get for getting what was going on in that family.on a and giving all the trauma visited upon the biden women as a result of what hunter did and, you know, whether his ex-wife to g,his brother's wido hw who endp testifying, his daughter endedll up testifying, his stepmother, jill, day in and day out. t what the prosecutor actually had to say, actually, ladies and gentlemen the fact that the powerful biden family sittingel there is not evidence.ie they have the power to try to sway this jury and intimidateeyp them in whatever way theyr possibly can. to answer your question directly, laura might never been in a criminal court room we can literally hear the voice of the accused defendant bellowing out and basically admitting he is an addict and involved in all kinds of debauchery during the period ofy du time that he signed thisn pistol permit application. so the evidenc impe is there ane american people should be impressed this judge wasn't trying to string outthey the trh so they could keep someone off ofdeli the campaign trail.tomo they got it done pure they will deliberate. they will have ado verdict tomorrow and only issue, do they want to convict him or not push mark because it's all there. this is a friendly democrat delawarei ju jury. >> laura: i don't see itt ju happening, but i was wrong and. you were right about that jury in new york, judge. i held out hope. cnn thinks the jury would vote to acquit fowar this reason her at a watch. >> a jury could also say waitsdl at the mic wait a second,ri prosecutors you didn't establish used or possessed these drugs ta during october 2018.gh and the defendant knowingly did so. he might have thought so in his mind that hehat a was clean, fg his life u.p and so on.fore >> that is like saying aally defendant coming before me on a murder case, i really wasn't was murdering him. your actions speak louder thanty your supposed thoughts at this point. but what they've got and you have to give every laura credit though my credit for this, basically we don't know if he was using thboe day he filled ot the form. baloney! the statute says are addicted to end the prosecutor shot holes through it and every 20 minuteas he was smoking crack according to his girlfriend zoe. within minutes, he is with w mookie picking up crack and abby comes up with, well maybe he was lying and with another woman. and then abby says maybe he was an alcoholic. according to abby, you have to have the crack on the pistol the application.tion but the truth is, the biden administration has increased the penalties for people lying on these applications. but they think they are above the law and shouldn't have to apply to hunter. >> laura: judge him up before we let you go, the desecration of the statute in lafayette park and the assault of a park polic. officer, no arrests, no pressag conferences, not a democrat that i have heard to speak out against this talk about two tiers of justice, and were six defendants in this? >> i love your "angle" there. look, january 6, they found. them, got there bank records to find them. it is almost as if it's not aes big deal.peop they did nothing to prevent it. these are people and so right, u they hate america. they want to bring anarchy to this country and the biden administration is aiding and abetting and complicit whether the southern border or whether lafayette park. this is why america can no longer handle the way that theno bidens for running the country.e and hopefully, things willl ri change in november. >> laura: judge, great to see you tonight.ario thank you so much. biden porter cracked down, this is hilarious and infuriating all at the same time. we will have the details next. ♪ ♪ norman, bad news... i never graduated from med school. what? -but the good news is... xfinity mobile just got even better! now, you can automatically connect to wifi speeds up to a gig on the go. plus, buy one unlimited line and get one free for a year. i gotta get this deal... i know... faster wifi and savings? 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>> they have a long-term play here as you know to because you don't need to be a citizen to be counted in the citizen, that is one. they believe that is a path to more power and more control.trol if you need further evidence number one, joe biden isvide a . and two, there would be open borders crowd appearances as exhibit 5,438. it is in plain view now and thig memo confirms with everybody that this is window dressing anu they know exactly what they are doing. the as you mention only six m countries noted in the easternsp hemisphere. that means from china, a spy from china you can get her $5,000, $10,000 and you ca n be in the united states with catch and release. a touriseal.t from it -- this hh never happen in the history of anywhere in ther world, laura. >> laura: never! >> this has never happened. no one has done this aloud and been complicit with an impatien of our country. they don't believe in real borders. sapling malcolm americansould literally are dying and i fear it can be worse. there were terrorists here operating in the united states. and the biden administration is ready to trade that for an electoral event. >> laura: the media seem to not really comprehend. we saw what happened in europe p on european elections over the weekend. a populist i came in, globalists for the most part on the run, people tired of mass migration, but the media are stilisl clingg to this notion of globalism that they don't understand american's feelings on this puree to watch. speak with a 62% of americans favor deporting all undocumented immigrants. s alreso homeland security says president biden has already deported or repatriated more people in the past year than any yearwhat since 2010. some of what mr. trump talks about could be illegal. it doesn't seem practical in some sense to round up childrenr >> laura: oh, my god, they are still doing the round up of children. senator, the american people have seen how this has already change their communities, they are schools, compromised our health care, rooms, and a porchr toob my course the huge budgetay problems along with the other problems we have you or but the media are like, what about the families? what about the american families? >> get ready for space bowl style ludicrous speede fearmongering in october. that is what all the democratsi. are left with.port and conveniently sort of reported on this stuff, thet threat to democracy is actually people voting. that is what happened in europem yesterday and what is happening here in the united states, another tsunami is coming because if they would get out of coastal bubble and come to real america and actually talk to people, real people don't understand how the president ofs the united states is willingly opening up the border for theth fentanyl killing people in the communities. the crime you see every day anld the terrorism and don't understand it but all politicsen shot in november here. >> laura: thank you, senator. next biden doj targets a doctorl after he blew the whistle on sex change for kids. he is here for an exclusive interview next. ♪ ♪ we planned well for retirement, but i wish we had more cash. you think those two have any idea? 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what is that all about? >> it is unbelievable. my wife, she was undergoing ae background check because she goa hired as an assistant u.s. attorney in the northern district of texas. in a letter my attorneys wroteav outlining the behavior, she said my wife andrea will not have problems with her background check unless she becomes difficult. e what she was referring to was my wife encouraging me. she knew mike to choose my constitutional right to not speak to the agents with a came to my home three hours before my graduation from surgery residency. >> laura: is there any doubt l, tthat this is political attet to intimidate you and others for speaking out, in a dell? >> no doubt because that is what he told us. >> laura: doctor, we can talk to you foryou an hour. thank you for joining us. look, making inroads into deep red wyoming. it may be because that h is whee radiologists say he was punished for speaking out against transgender surgery for childreh there. dr. eric lubin said he wrote an email urging state legislatures to endorse a bill banning it. the bill passed and signed by d governor mark. but after that dr. cubin said he got a letter from the governor removing him from the state board of medicine before eventually allowed to resign. joni meet dr. air cuban, interventional radiologists. this became law banning the surgery in wyoming. texas did the same. what is their real beef with you? what is it customer >> i wish ie knew what they are real beef wah but what is concerning the woke mob in this country has so much power and influence that they can even affect the weekin governor in the state of wyoming, the most republican state in the country and somehow cores him into silencing the voice of reasoning his state.i a i have no idea, no idea who it sort of the influence here and who caused this to happen.is but if it's really scary is that if this can happen wyoming whatr is going on in the rest of theh country? the spokesperson for the governor's office said that you resigned after receiving a letter from the governor reminding you of theto policy fu medical board members toti remai objective withon duties tounds maintain the confidence of medical professionals on the board. sounds like a lot of bureaucratic nonsense. that says nothing and that is typical bureaucratic speech. i hate people that write that way. it is like cia statement. but your response to whatever that was suppose id to mean. >> it was difficult to read andc made no sense. he also accused me ofssib potentially having a conflict of interest.an quite frankly, that is not possible because it is the i law in the state. somthough mike violates the lawd comes before the board of medicine we enforce that no conflict of interest but we arei enforcing the law appeared's laura, what i would really like to talk about is the children if that is okay. make no mistake about it, this is not gender-affirming care we are talking about. this is gender denying care. these children have a delusion similar to anorexia. what we have learnedcan' with anorexia, you don't treat ittrea with liposuction. the treatment these kids need is love and kindness and psychotherapy. they don't need surgical mutilation of hormones. only reaffirming for these children is that we love them, cherish them, and we are sur committed to making sure they are okay and they get the care that they need. we should not affirm.au >> laura: thrae word gender s phrase, gender is so orwellian.. orwellian would be rolling in his grave, doctor, thank you. the media, are they preparing to kick joe biden to the curb? 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we could all unsubscribe and switch to xfinity. their connection is unreal. and we could all un-experience this whole session. okay, that's uncalled for. ♪ ♪ >> laura: more post than a democrat contingency plan may be underway to swap biden from the democratic ticket. the over the weekend "the new york times" published s gentle fact-checked of biden's tall tales. well, they said biden might use antidotes in order to win over his audiences and appear more charming. is this charming?armi >> i used to drive an 18-wheeler. i wa as sort of raised in the r puerto rican community at home. >> i like allow for a lot of people in this audience and happen t>>o be the first of my family to go to college. and my uncle posey who got shot- down in new guinea. e wehe never found the body bece there are a lot of cannibals, for real comment that part ofya the community.rn >> laura: for real pures "the new york times" calls these yarns. but the fact is they catalogued them to me was not significant.c then, there is the political piece exposing how biden's closest aides were deeply n his family business dealings .te for years he shared a bookkeepe with his son, hunter my personal lawyerr with his brother jim. he had secret service investigated a chinese executive doing business with hunter.tale well, that might be another tall tale. >> never discussed with my sontn or my brother or anyone else o business, period! >> laura: jordan may ned ryans and founder of ceo majority andt sean davis, the federal spirit what is going on here? >> i think some of the corporate propaganda and who is pushing for stories because someone is pushing it in a coordinated fashion thinks joe biden is the real problem but that is not their real problem here are the real problem is leftist policie. they are pushing your list notor forget why they have joe biden, pure joe biden is the basebut putting on for obama's third term to beat trump and pace of the mirror on obama's third term and radical policies androja the trojan horse for leftist ideas. they are focused on joe biden as the real problem but it's thee a essence and the american people are waking up and understanding what the modern-day democraticna has become, a neo-marxist un-american party. the american people we don't agree with you o on n immigratin and we don't agree with you onsr the economy and we don't agreesi with you on your ideas or peo illusions of law and order. that is what is happening. i people are focused on the real problem pure the real problem it they want to take off joe biden and smear fresh lipstick on nasty, ugly pig of her left of american ideas. they are focused on the wrong problems and the wrongd fo solutions. >> laura: polling has been so bad for biden even cnn as of late can't avoid covering it.ci >> look atou this tremendous shift, oh, my goodness gracious, now 2024, biden's drop eight points and trump up 44%. he is losing. he is under water the israel/moss war in russia and ukraine war. >> donald trump seems to have an edge in this race. what is president biden doing wrong that this is the case? >> laura: sean, i had to cover this sooner or later you're to be we saw crowds in californiaa turning out for trump. they are lined the streets form. him. and very few trump haters at least which wakly.s shocking tos frankly, i don't know, there is a lot going on they are gettingy a little nervous about, sean.n. >> i think that is exactly what is going on here they are not trying to dump biden yet but if it gets to that point, they definitely will pure the bobr th race in 2002 where he was dead in the water so they swapped him out at the last minute andhey' through an wrinkle altenburg.he about what they were trying to do is raise the alarm bells, hey, guys, your whole strategy of throwing trump in prison is not working anymore. it is time to panic and start changing things up because of the way things stand now, it isu not going well.co the thing about the propaganda press and corporate media, they never tell the truth and theyow always have an agenda. i think their agenda right now is to get the regime reelectedu and they need to make sure thepp people in the white house and the people running in the white house know they are in trouble.e wi >> laura: ned, do you agree with that? i do agree with that but ther. problem they have is they have the scranton show veneer.is good old joe from scranton and this moderate and now what the problem is if they replace joe biden without an out leftist on top of the leftist agenda, i think the gig is up in the masquerade is over.y i totally agree with sean, howre do they retain power? at some point, they will panic because joe biden grandpa dimension is amala hard seller d kamala harris is even worse. >> laura: floated a scenario on x, biden hit all-time low a approval rating paying dropping out would be a big wrist but threshold continuing to run is o bigger wrist the mic risk. are we there yet i don't knowm. but it's fair to ask appear to think it is that point for them in incredibly risky for them to lose this last touch stone to the old seemingly more reasonable democrat party and f that.row o they lose that and look, it is the free palestine protesters in lafayette square spray painting commander rochambeau. it is that chaos.e that is it, and the border. >> right, that might explain that very odd, june 22nd debate they scheduled the pier thatst might beil joe biden's last chae to prove that he still has it.wn i can't recall in memory when we had presidential debates before there was even a convention. it is very strange. >> laura: that is the last chance for joe. ned and shawn, thank you both. 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>> ie will move. w ili can't live in this country f he became president. understand why people are not taking him seriously. >> i think hitler -- >> i would rather push in our life and be stopped by -- that is what the choice will be in 2024.. >> a response to all of this,a, ricky drop this over the weekend. >> as a celebrity, science andor politics, trust me when i tellot you you should vote for. if you don't vote the right wayh a hate crime and it makes me sad and angry, and i will leave the country. and you don't want that. >> laura: they never leave the country. if only they leave the country. please leave. >> you can't bully and harangue people into a political conformity, laura. it is only news if suddenly sean foyt said i'm supportingg bi joe biden. that is news but theselebr celebrities have always been in his corner reporting oppositionh to the candidate here that is hardly news and i think he is right. >> laura: they are not affected by biden's policies. they floated of adverse effects of the policy so they are totally fine . i want to talk about caitlin clark i know a lot of people are interested in thee story. she is probably thpre most important player in the nba. period she left off the olympicc team and reacted with enormous grace though appearance because she had great poise and humility and took it in stride. her record is not perfect andscr the pro, 14th in scoring, but still i tend to agree withs. stephen a. smith on this. >> this girls box office! i said a rise in tide, but whate you do, especially if team usa and you're trying to be globalized, it is an opportunitn to globalize the wnbita brand! you don't sit up there and pass on caitlin clark! it is stupid, team usa, it was a dumb decision! >> well, look, she still has aau shot. chelsea gray with a leg injury and if she she gets out of that roster, there might be room for caitlin clark. but it does seem they missed an opportunity for marketing and publicity in a big way. but she has time he or she is young. >> laura: my free said though my friend said rookie larry johnson and larry bird, it all works out. i have to say that i haven't followed the wnba that closely but she should probably be on the team.. what else? the number for joe biden amongjo black voters is a rolling tragedy and trump's best performance in black voters in 60 years for republicans. some polls say 63%, a drop from 91% in 2020. part of this is attributable for trump making attributes to blacks in the bronx appeared to try to turn the tide, trump's june's juneteenth concert june 10th at the white house. patti labelle, gladys knight, as we like to say new orleans, the essence festival. i don't know why you need aou campaign and basically aaign campaign event being sponsored by the taxpayer. a comedian roy would open the festivities this way. >> we get thfestatche day off jt that is right. we get the day off june 19th. i don't know about some of y'all, but i think we need ai week off.thk i'm not here to tell you -- thank you for what you did, but a week i don't know if you've been black before, but there are some stressful days. when you are black, i need a week. speed >> he ran through hit list accomplishment of winning over black voters. i don't think this helps. . forura: it is late that is it for us.foll follow us on social media and thank you for watching. it is my son 16th birthday today. that is what hy soe looked liken i saw him for the first time.r h and that is what he looks like now. a madelei >> carley: a "fox and friends first" exclusive, father of the missionary couple murdered by gangs in haiti are speaking out for the first time in an