millions of people will get tax breaks to help them afford coverage. that's what this reform is about. >> two federal courts issue opposing rulings on a key part of obamacare. >> it looks like the affordable care act just might be headed back to the supreme court. vrnlths next thing i got an e-mail saying the flight is canceled. >> the faa is prohibiting u.s. airlines from flying into or out of tel aviv's airport.
>> this is what got the airline's attention, a rocket landed within a couple miles of the airport in tel aviv. >> hamas has a fundamental choice that will have a profound impact for the people of gaza. >> at the start, air strikes were aimed at the hamas members. now artillery shells are being fired at places of worship. >> 160 miles away, the bodies of the dead arrive by rail to a safe area of ukraine. the saddest of journeys awaits. for others, the waiting goes on. >> inspectors discover wreckage has been interfered with. >> you understand the conflict remains conflicts in terms of who remains in charge. >> in which country? >> which country are we? >> you tell me. >> interfered with would be an understatement. good morning, it is wednesday,
july 23rd. welcome to "morning joe." with us onset, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, former treasury official and "morning joe's" analyst, and visiting professor of nyu, harold ford, junior, in washington, david ignatius back with us and the editorial director of the "national journal," ron fornier. good to have you all in this morning along with willie and me. did you see the white flags on top of the brooklyn bridge? i think one of the concepts is it could be some freak art. this is the other one that i think we're all thinking about, isn't this kind of a security problem, that a group of people can climb to the top of the brooklyn bridge and change the american flag to a white flag? >> it's pretty remarkable. >> kind of mind-boggling. >> when you think of traveling
the brooklyn bridge, you see a police presence. >> given the surveillance cameras if it wasn't a cop on the beat. it's amazing they got up there and spent the time they spent up there. they covered the flood lights so they wouldn't be detected and switched out the flags. a lot of questions there. also in new york, new rules for new york city cops given that beating and choke hold potentially related death. that's coming up. also, steve rattner, apple $7.7 billion in a quarter. that's like an hour for you. >> that's a lot of money, mika. >> big news, right? >> we'll talk about that coming up. first, just this morning, secretary of state john kerry arrived in tel aviv on a military jet to pure sewer a ceasefire between israel and hamas. no u.s. flights going to israel after a rocket damaged some homes nearby. no serious injuries. the move has stranded tourists
and israel has pressured the u.s. to restore service. in a show of solidarity with the jewish state, former new york city mayor michael bloomberg announced he's flying israel based airline el al to tell ave. vooef. a victory for hamas, hurting israel's economy and reputation for security. far more real is the death and destruction in gaza. two more israeli soldiers were killed while the death toll for civilians topped 600. ambulance crews must wait for victims to be brought to them. >> reporter: between energy calls, this medic checked his supplies. he says he can't go where he's needed most. we get calls that there are injured there and bleeding to death, he said. but we can't go in. last time he did manage to get
in, this is what he found. first a face like a corps. then she moved and breathed. this 24-year-old had been buried under the debris of her home before as sam's team rescued her. >> she's in critical condition, badly burned and appears to be slipping in and out of consciousness. >> reporter: a doctor tells us all of her family was killed. they don't expect her to survive. >> that's incredible. meanwhile "the washington post" reports in the west bank israel is beginning to demolish homes belonging the the relatives of palestinians accused of violence. david ignatius, what are john kerry's options at this point? >> i think secretary kerry wants above all to try to negotiate a ceasefire. the recent development of this rocket from hamas landing near the airport and suddenly closing
off at least u.s. and european air travel to israel makes the situation more urgent. it also illustrates the asymmetries in this conflict. hamas only has to get lucky once with a rocket like this that wasn't targeted at aircraft, but came close to the airport to change the seeming balance in the conflict. secretary kerry is working hard on the ceasefire. the question is what is the ceasefire going to accomplish that past cease fires have not? as the death toll mounts in this war people will demand more achievements in the days of fighting, and they may be reluctant to accept another ceasefire that leaves hamas as strong politically as it was. >> standing by amen mo ha dean with the latest. take it away. >> mika, we've been hearing the sounds of intense shelling, the
continuous dumping sound that palestinians have been hearing day after day. we heard the sounds of launches from gaza into israeli. we also did get con fir makes that there were sirens in israel. it alludes to the point that 15 days into the conflict, it's still in full swing on both sides. hamas has rockets, has demonstrated a tremendous amount of stamina on the ground with this ground offensive that has now killed 29 israeli soldiers, that's triple the number of soldiers israel lost in the 2008, 2009 campaign. hamas says it will not stop until all of its demands are met and the chief among those demands is that the siege be liflted. there's no indication that israel is going to do that. meanwhile the humanitarian situation on the ground continues to worsen by the hour.
the united nations saying more than 100,000 taking refuge at schools. the death toll has climbed above 600. the shelling today tends to be targeted in the southern part of gaza, similar scenes with whole neighborhoods being devastated and thousands pushed out. >> ayman, it's good to see you this morning. we heard david ignatius talking about john kerry wanting to work a ceasefire. if you look at yesterday, the representative says she sees no possibility for a ceasefire. what does it look like from where you're standing. do you see any willing chbs from hamas to even consider the possibility of a ceasefire? >> reporter: the central issue has been over the past seven
years this is the third war. none produced a tangible improvement on the ground for palestinians. they feel that have suffered and sacrificed so much, there is surprisingly a slight support for the on going operation, although they paid such a heavy price, they feel this is the only time and the only way they can get the international community to try to lift this siege and blockade once and for all. what we see is when there is a truce and ceasefire that holds, either side violates it, ultimately leading us down the road of confrontation once again. this time around, they feel if it's not addressed from day one, if the siege is not lifted from day one, they will be back as we've seen in the past couple years. >> ayman, thank you very much. real quickly, steve rattner, mayor bloomberg's trip purely symbolic. was he going? >> the mayor, as you know, is a forceful person and also a very, very strong supporter of israel.
he took very personally the idea that these flights were going to be banned in israel. we can talk about why they were banned. from israel's point of view, it's a very important negative, symbolic image that you can't even fly to israel on an american flag carrier. and he said in typical bloomberg fashion, hell with it, i'm going. he used not used to flying with strangers, but that shows how committed he is to this trip. >> we want to get to the latest on malaysia airlines flight 17 now. investigators are finally at the site where the plane went down. they have already made a stunning discovery. they say key pieces of evidence including the cockpit and fuselage were cut in half with saws. u.s. intelligence officials say the satellite images show increased traffic at a russian military base believed to be helping the rebels, and this photo appears to show a
surface-to-air missile launcher making its way back from ukraine to russia. intelligence officials tell nbc news there's currently no direct evidence that russia, quote, pulled the trigger, they say russia has continued to support the rebels even after the plane went down. meanwhile, russian president vladimir putin again struck a defiant tone in a foreign policy speech. he blamed ukraine for escalating the conflict before heading west on a fund-raising trip president obama visited the dutch embassy in washington to remember the nearly 200 victims from the netherlands. he says americans are heartbroken and vowed there will be justice. the president also called the prime minister amid criticism that he would be looking for political donations here at home amid growing crises overseas. >> i can understand all the trappings, but there's no concern that, yes, he can have these calls. his schedule is basically
dominated by fund-raising this week. >> maybe the public schedule that you see. >> what are we not seeing? >> what will be clear to you as the president goes through the next several days is that he will be paying all of the necessary attention to make sure that american ainterested are represented. he can do that through phone calls, conversations with staff in washington, around the globe or traveling with him along the west coast. >> former president bill clinton says whoever shot down flight 17 is seeking a divided world. he made the comments at an aids conference in australia where several of the plane's passengers were scheduled to appear. >> the loss of our colleagues and more than 290 others in what appears to have been a deliberate act is a stark reflection of the negative forces of our interdependent,
people who don't want a future of inclusive economics, inclusive governance, inclusive communities. >> mike? >> david ignatius, given the preponderance of the evidence the united states has, the intelligence the united states has with regard to the shoot-down of the plane, what do you call for the seemingly slow motion outrage that has been building toward this, and what do you account for the fact that europe seems unable to express the outrage that you find commonly among people here in the sidewalks of the united states of america? >> well, i think first the europeans are scared of the kind of confrontation that they're heading toward with russia. they're scared on the level of their dependence with russian energy. there's no way they can get through the winter without russian gas supplies. they're scared about the idea of a war on the european continent, something they thought was a fact of the past.
i'd say the last few days i've been watching vladimir putin, the russian president, squirming a little bit under pressure from the u.s., from simple intelligence facts of the case even as russian propaganda puts up wild conspiracy theories. the evidence that people can see mounts day by day. it's interesting putin disappeared for a couple days when he came back and gave a speech yesterday, it was someone restrained, less truculent, liss belligerent that he's been in the past. "the new york times" found him as perhaps preparing to back away from his earlier position. we'll have to see about that. i think it's not inconceivable that the europeans, especially the dutch, as the bodies come home, as people emotionally deal with the reality of this tragedy may get a little tougher in their response. so i'd be careful about freezing
the image as of today and saying nothing is going to happen. >> harold -- >> good morning. harold ford. clearly vladimir putin developed a thug gish image in the eyes of many policymakers. i guess my question for you is what is the motivation for him and for his government to not run away or not attack and criticize what happened with the bringing down of this plane. what does he gain from appearing to be behind this? he's done nothing to disabuse the dominant narrative and the dominant portrait that russia was behind the gunning down of this plane? >> i think a lot of this is basic politics. putin has been more popular than ever in the last few months as he's been so belligerent in ukraine. he's created a narrative that the russian people seem to be swallowing, that they are these brave russian-speaking separatists in ukraine fighting
against a terrible fascist government and they're doing the right thing for mother russia. this stuff goes down well at home. so if he's trying to move the narrative even a little bit to get back toward international legitimacy to create sanctions which, if they come, could really cripple russia, he'll have to do it slowly so the russian public goes with him. >> ron fornier, you've been critical of the president's leadership on a variety of issues. he's getting criticism this week for the schedule he's keeping with fund-raisers out west as we heard in the briefing room yesterday. what more couldn't obama be doing in rards to this russian-ukraine crisis right now? >> i don't know. on the first part of it, look, the job of the president follows the president wherever he goes. practically speaking, it doesn't matter where he is, whether he's at a fund-raiser or at the white house, he can get the practical part of the job. there's a symbolic part of the job that's very important. what bothers me about the white
house is when it suits the purposes they dismiss the symbolic part of it. when it serves their purposes, they embrace it. the broader question, i think he has an opportunity here. putin, first of all, seized crimea is a very bold and internationally unlawful way. then his people have by all evidence reached into the sky and plucked 300 lives from this earth. if europe, despite everything that david said which is totally accurate, if europe can't get upset at them now and the president can't use this to rally europe behind some really tough sanctions that can really hurt putin, i don't know when they possibly could. >> that's the issue. my father was talking about this yesterday, david ignatius just talked is about it. european countries have drawn up plans for further sanctions against russia, but they're not necessarily eager to implement them because the eu's close economic ties with moscow leave many countries walking a very fine line between outrage and
their own self-interest when it comes to their bottom line. we talked about oil. oil giant shell is an example, the largest corporation in the netherlands. dutch pension funds are heavy invested in the company's stock, so any disruption in shell's business dealings with russia could significantly impact teachers, civil servants and other workers in the netherlands. steve rattner, you've got charts that are other examples as to why europe might be hesitant to be completely unified and slap russia with the toughest of sanctions right away which is the problem. >> to follow on what david was saying, if you look at the facts between the trade of europe and russia and u.s. and russia, you see the stark differences animating the differences in policies. the u.s., for example, is a very modest trader with russia. you can see it's only about 1% of our trade with russia whereas for the europeans it's 12.3% of
their trade with russia. this is on the import side. on the export side, 6.9% for the europeans versus .5% for us. all told, 9.5% of europe's trade is with russia versus .8% of ours. you look at the anecdotal stuff going on, 30% of german gas comes from russia. italy is trying to build a gas pipeline to russia. the french are building two amphibious ships. and there are soldiers in russia being trained to run those ships. >> hands are tied. if you close in on russia and you're germany, you could lose access to the energy that you need. >> it's a mutually assured economic destruction kind of situation. you could lose their energy which is most of what they get from russia. you can see on this next chart that the impact actually varies pretty widely. the netherlands, oddly enough, has amongst the biggest trading
relationship with russia. remember, the netherlands lost the equivalent of 9/11 in terms of their population. the population relative to ours, they lost a huge number of people. it will be interesting to see how they balanced that out. i mentioned italy and the pipeline, germany and their gas. the us which has been very stand-up has a lot of financial ties to russia through their banks. france, as i mentioned, is building destroyers. if you look at what is actually traded between europe and russia, you can see again the mutual dependency these two places have. the eu imports essentially raw materials and energy. that is really what comes from russia for all practical purposes to the eu. what they send to the eu which are these blue bars here you can see are machinery and trance porpts, chemicals, manufacturing goods, huge amounts of european experts, huge amounts of european jobs are at stake. that's why the europeans are talking about, well, let's ban people from coming from the eu.
the uk particularly given that they do have stuff at stake has been very loud. all i'm saying is it would be great for the europeans to stand up. it would be easy for us to lecture them. we have a little bit less at stake. there's a headlines today in the "financial times" that says eu scuppers russia sanctions. >> does this come down to the germans and the french and dutch worrying about if they're going shut off the heat like a landlord? >> that's a big piece of it. as i said, it goes both ways. they want their gas. they want their energy, but they also want to sell stuff to russia because that's what creates jobs in their country. russia doesn't make a lot. a lot of their manufactured goods, their machinery is all imported from the eu. it's their jobs. that's why in fairness we can lecture the europeans all we want. they do have a different economic dog in the fight than
we do. >> david, there it is, the dilemma in black and white. what is europe to do? as steve said, netherlands had a huge loss, 150-some people from their home, what is europe to do here? >> i think europeans will feel a sense of shame if for economic reasons alone they accept a barbaric act that shouldn't take place in the 21st century. as ron said earlier, a plane was shot out of the sky by -- it appears by reckless terrorists who have been armed and supported by russia. if europe simply accepts that as part of the rules of how europe is going to work in the 21st century, i think they'll come to regret it. i think this is the time when it is important for the u.s. to be clear and take a leadership role. i also have hope german chancellor angela merkel who has been the toughest of the leaders in this crisis when she wants to
be will speak out in the next few days. a very interesting meeting in berlin between the white house chief of staff, dennis mcdonagh and his german counterpart to talk about the nsa scandal and put it behind them. they've agreed to have a new set of principles to be the u.s. and germany which would go a long way towards making germany a more reliable ally. still ahead on "morning joe," with more international fallout in ukraine and the middle east, lawmakers in washington are questioning what role the u.s. should have. we'll speak to senators saxby chambliss, john boone and tim kaine later in the program. plus a brooklyn bridge mystery. what went on here? white flags flying high along the east river on the brooklyn bridge? who put them there and why. up next, the field is said for georgia's u.s. senate race. are both sides taking a page from the 2012 playbook. first bill karins with a check
on the forecast. >> it hasn't been the hottest of summers. we've seen little periods here and there. no prolonged heat. what we are watching do day, one very hot day across the country and then, just like that, the cool will return. so here is the pattern across the country. the one spot that is hot and will stay hot over the inner mountain west. we have one little surge of heat and humidity coming up the east coast. for areas from virginia through new england, you can feel it this morning when you step outside. today it's going to be hot. we'll be about 92 in d.c., 90 in new york city. we haven't had many 90-degree days. only one in central park. this will probably be the second. look at chicago. that's the cool air rushing in behind it. so for your travel forecast today, the airports will be okay during the day. i know we show the thunderstorms on here. these will be late day storms. maybe even after the dinner hour for the evening and into the overnight. back toward buffalo and pittsburgh, your storms will be a little earlier. just like that, the cool air
returns. on thursdays, highs that were in the 90s dropped down to the 80s. new england in the 70s. the cool conditions continue for much of the country. also we're continuing to watch the tropics, tropical depression number two, slowly dissipating. that's great as they head toward the leeward islands. we don't have to worry about that tropical system. it looks like we'll end july pretty quiet in the tropics. we leave you with the shot, the freedom tower. lower portions of manhattan. a hot and sweltery day in the big apple. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. the cadillac summer collection is here. ♪ ♪
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sales of the smart phone rose 13% from the same quarter last year, slightly below analyst estimates. ipad sales were down 9% with apple selling just over 13 million tablets. the news comes on the same day a class action lawsuit was filed against apple over alleged labor violations. that's a huge profit. >> i can't figure out -- part of the profits are geared to increase sales of iphones when new iphones are going to hit the market in september. >> are they going to be bigger? why wouldn't you just wait? people are so impatient. >> bigger iphones in the fall and it's going to be huge, huge sales. but they're still selling iphones all over the world. they just got into china and these iphones are a little less expensive. i want my iphone now. >> $7.7, nice quarter. oregon voters will get to weigh in on the debate to legalize marijuana. the measure will be on ballots
this fall and will allow the sale of marijuana to individuals over the age of 21. if approved, oregon would join washington and colorado as states where it can be purchased legally. >> do you think or i don't cookie sales go up? >> stop it. "new york times," quite a scene on the east river when white flags waved above the iconic brooklyn bridge over the usual stars and stripes. a lot of problems there. isn't that tampering with the american flag. security camera footage shows five people crossing the bridge around 3:30 in the morning. they're looking for those who swapped it out for the bleached out versions. doesn't the white flag mean surrender? is anyone -- >> interesting we have this story on the heels of the marijuana purchasing story.
>> different state, harold. that's unfair. >> rattner? >> look, obviously it suggests our security isn't quite as tight as it might be. >> on the brooklyn bridge? >> probably an obvious target, right? >> it could be an obvious target. >> and surveillance of these landmark places in new york is so intense, that it's just remarkable, not only that they got on, but had the time to do what they did. >> i believe the command center they built after 9/11 is right near the brooklyn bridge. am i wrong? >> it's downtown somewhere. >> they have the most unbelievable technology and yet somebody can climb up -- i think it's stunning. >> there are security cameras everywhere. >> i think it's because the mayor is on vacation in italy? >> that's not art, let me tell you right now.
>> going to be a long time before you cross the brooklyn bridge again, is that what you're saying? >> i think it's incredibly disturbing. >> chrysler is recalling nearly 800,000 vehicles because of a possible ignition switch issue. the automaker says the switch can be knocked out of the run position, shutting off the engine, possibly disabling the vehicle's air bags. chrysler says there have been no injuries and one accident related to tissue. affected models are 2005 to 2007 grand cherokees and 2005 to 2006 commanders. >> quickly, ron fornier, one of the great outrageous stories this summer is they're shutting off the water to people in the city of detroit. >> they literally are. what they're doing is cracking down on people and companies who haven't been paying their bills, companies including, by the way, two of the three auto companies that are behind on their bills.
so what you have is folks -- a big percentage of people in that city who can't afford to pay for their water. they're now going without it, like a third world country in my hometown. >> that's an incredible story. >> it's terrible. joining us now, president and ceo of politico in new york jim vandehei, also from washington, nbc news political reporter kasie hunt. >> georgin georgia purdue defea kingston running as a businessman with none of washington's baggage he says. purdue beat back a crowded field of some of the biggest political names in the state. now he faces democrat michelle nun who also has never served in elected office. purdue is more mainstream than other republican candidates and is expected to make it tougher
for nunn to pull an upset. some say georgia was at the risk of going the way of missouri with more conservative republican candidates. now outside groups are replaying the 2012 president election, democrats taking the page out of the playbook against mitt romney saying purdue is guilty of tearing apart companies and outsourcing and republicans trying to brand nunn as cozy with president obama. jim, purdue, in some ways a dream candidate for republicans. what are nunn's odds looking like right now? >> the reason people should care about this race, it's easily hands down the best democrats have to pick up a democratic scene. michelle nunn being on the dip kratic ticket and the weight the nunn name carries in georgia. republicans had two good choices in the final run off. kingston and then purdue running against her. interestingly the chamber of
commerce had been in hard with kingston. the establishment wanted kingston to win it and ran an ad at the end taunting purdue calling him a cry baby because they didn't get his endorsement. i don't know who is crying now, probably the chamber because they didn't get their guy. >> purdue saying he's an outsider from all along. as he admitted in may to kasie, so is his opponent. >> would you argument that you're the outsider work as well against her? >> no. she's an outsider as well. you get into background and the crisis of the day. the crisis of the day, debt, economy and jobs. i have a 40-plus year business experience background. that bodes well dealing with the crisis at hand. the other is because of that background i feel like i can prosecute the record of the last five years. >> kasie, that was you talking to purdue back in may. we already got the e-mails from progressive outside groups saying purdue is mitt romney-like. he ran dollar general among other stores. they point out some of the jobs
that were lost and he pushes back on that obviously. >> he does push back on that. although i talked to him directly about that in that same interview, asked him what it was like, did he ever lay workers off directly himself. i got a pretty striking answer saying fe felt like he did look them in the eye and understood their jobs were being outsourced. i thought the comment he made about michelle nunn also being an outsider was a startling admission. it highlights how she might have a tougher time against purdue than she could have against congressman jack kingston. it's straightforward to run against washington in this kind of a climate. her whole argument is i'm not from d.c. i'm from the state of georgia. purdue stands there and has a similar argument with her. i think it's going to be a little more difficult. i also think it's going to be an interesting test of just whether or not democrats can execute a strategy that they're talking about in other places on the map as well. maybe not this year, but if you look at a state like texas, for example, that they want to turn
blue in the long run. michelle nunn's challenge is going to be to register tens of thousands of democratic voters, new voters. she needs to drive out particularly african-american turnout in the atlanta metro area. she's going to have to spend the next few months carefully walking that line that some of her fellow democratic candidates are also facing. she needs to get some distance from an unpopular president, but needs to be careful not to go so far that they xi ail naets the people most excited about him and most enthusiastic about voting for her because she could be potentially associated with him. >> let's go west of kentucky, jim. i guess you're hearing some republicans starting to talk behind the scenes about what to do if mitch mcconnell loses his re-election bid. >> this is interesting. our reporters talked to a lot of republican senators on the record about this question. i would say after georgia, kentucky is the best chance for democrats to pick up a republican seat. very unlikely. i was debating it with mike allen, he thinks there's no clans democrats can win that seat because of kentucky's
politics. the fact that republicans are talking about it is interesting in two respects. one, it shows the chance that mcconnell can use, two, it gives a portrait of who can be the leader when mcconnell does leave. john cornyn considered the odds-on favorite, he has a re-election race in texas. others like john thune, lamar alexander, roy blunt are the names that those republican senators were talking about as potential future leaders. >> you think there's a shot mcconnell loses here despite what mr. mike allen is telling you? >> i think there's a clans. if you put your money on it, you put it on mcconnell given that the state is conservative and mcconnell is a ruthless campaigner and is going to have so much money. it's close enough that it's one you have to keep an eye on. i think georgia has a much better chance of flipping, still a tough one for democrats, but an easier one than kentucky because of what kasie was talking about.
georgia has changed a lot more than kentucky t rise in the minority population, it is run of the states that is changing and could potentially change in profound ways over the next couple election cycles. if there's one state to watch, if you watch these things casually, watch georgia because it tells you a lot about the country and a lot about the new south. >> jim vandehei and kasie hunt, thank you very much. the donald sterling continues. >> dear god, no. >> he sues the nba as head coach doc rivers claims to leave the team if this issue isn't settled before the season begins. ♪ ♪
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time for a little sports. more drama in los angeles. clippers interim ceo dick parsons testified in court saying head coach and team president doc rivers is red i do walk if donald sterling remains owner of the team. parsons said losing rivers would be a disaster that would accelerate the death spiral of the franchise. he added, if none of your sponsors want to sponsor you, your coach doesn't want to coach you, your players don't want to play for you, what do you have? good question. >> the guy needs to walk away. >> sterling filed a new lawsuit
against his estranged wife, nba, the clippers. once the sterling family trust was revoked, shelly sterling had no authority to sell the franchise. her attorney calls the latest lawsuit a frivolous last ditch act of desperation by a delusional bidder. >> can't he be deemed un -- i don't think he's well. >> past the sell-by date. >> i don't mean to be mean. he's falling apart. >> if lebron james and others say we won't play if this guy remains an owner, what does the league have? >> he won't be there. they just have to figure out how to get rid of him. up next, dr. jeffrey sacks joins us for the must-read opinion pages.
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war on ukraine has claimed hundreds of innocent lives and brought the world a step closer to disaster. there are no heroes among the great powers today. cynicism is ripe on all sides. the u.s. effectively violates international law by resorting to force without unit nations sanctions. it sends drones and secret forces into sovereign countries without their approval. it spies relentlessly on friend and foe alike. russia does the same inflicting death on ukraine, georgia and other neighbors. the only constants in all this are the easy resort to violence and the lies and inevitably that come along with it. willie? >> jeff, you go back to tie it back to the days before world war i which is a pretty staggering thing to think about. you sat down and we looked at the newspaper and said where to begin. flush out your column a bittal bit more. >> i've been worried about this week for years actually, just in
an emotional sense because this is the 100th anniversary of the start of world war i which was the devastating event that broke basically a hundred years of peace before it and led to decades of war after it. and we know from world war i that it was just a spiral of distrust, of violence, of little wars that finally exploded. frankly, i've just been afraid that we are so ready to go to war, whether it's iraq and afghanistan, syria, libya, on our side and russia's absolutely trigger happy right now. putin is beyond irresponsibility and absolutely is culpable for what's happened, directly or indirectly because these are russian missiles that took down that jet. and the sense is, okay, now we have to escalate. that's exactly the kind of
sentiment that has led to disaster in the past. there seems to just be no anchor right now, no control, no clear leadership. it's very troubling. >> jeffrey, when it comes to what you're saying, this void of leadership, when we look at vladimir putin and what he represents on the world stage, many people in the examination of what he's been doing and his leadership, they'd say he's just not an honest broker where on the american side you can look at president obama and our natural feeling is to believe he is an honest broker, but you draw these contrasts of what the american operations are to the contrast of what russian operations are. who emerges to be able to come to consensus, to try to talk this out, talk diplomatically? >> i'm not trying to draw an equation of obama and putin by any means. that's not my point. my point is the united states is engaged in war that is against international law.
russia has used that excuse and is making such a catastrophe in ukraine right now. what i do say is the one thing we have now that we didn't have 100 years ago, we have international law, we have the united nations. the united states, many people here say what do we care about that? the fact of the matter is what can protect us. each side sees itself as absolutely the right -- >> this argument that jeffrey raises is the criticism of the obama administration and the president in particular is he had been far too measured in his response. >> i think jeffrey's argument is disturbing. any recollection of what happened a century ago has to be. i'm struck by the difference in this sense. world war i was, as i read it,
the result of lockstep mobilizations by each of the powers, move toward the brick very quickly. that's precisely what hasn't happened in these conflicts. people blame president obama for being too slow, too cautious. but the truth is he keeps saying there's no military response the u.s. has in ukraine, and so in that sense i think he's trying to avoid the process of automatic escalation that would be really dangerous in the way jeffrey is describing. >> david, i agree with you. my concern is not a literal replay of world war i. it's the number of wars, secret and otherwise we are engaged in right now. >> we don't think the cia is giving the ukrainian side actual arms. >> dr. jeffrey sachs, thank you very much. we'll be right back in just a moment.
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i'm not very good at it. there's michelle smith and then lewis. look, look, he thinks he was so cool. >> dark in there. >> not around lewis, he had a light and a mirror. >> he was a little too good at it, willie, if you know what i mean. he was into it, that lewis berg door of. >> he was a good sport. >> you were lovely to contribute. >> i'm just sorry there wasn't a bike available for you. >> you showed up with your check. >> bought my way out of it. coming up at the top of the hour, we'll go live to tel aviv speaking to prime minister benjamin netanyahu's chief spokesman about whether or not a ceasefire is really popular. investigators are finally at the crash site of flight 17. what will they learn at this point and how that will shape the white house's approach to the crisis, if anything. what more do they need? andrea mitchell and chuck todd join the conversation. that and much more when "morning
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airlines from flying into or out of tel aviv's airport. >> this is what got the airline's attention, a rocket landed within a couple miles of the airport in tel aviv. >> this was a very close call. >> hamas has a fundamental choice that will have a profound impact for the people of gaza. >> at the start, air strikes were aimed at the homes of hamas members, now artillery rounds are fired, and places of worship are among the targets. >> 160 miles away the bodies of the dead arrive by rail to a safe area of ukraine. the saddest of journeys awaits. for others the waiting goes on. >> wreckage has been interfered with. >> you understand the conflict remains the conflicts in terms of who is in charge. >> in which country? >> which country are we?
>> you tell me. >> mike barnicle and harold ford junior and with us, host of andrea mitchell reports, andrea mitchell. good to have you with us. in washington nbc news chief white house correspondent and host of "the daily rundown" chuck todd. a lot to get to. andrea, i'm glad you're here to have some sensible mindsets here in new york. first of all, have you ever been to soul cycle? >> no. >> has anybody here? >> yes. >> you have not. >> you have not been to soulcycle. chuck? >> can i complete ignorance? i don't even know what you're talking about. >> i was going to say that, chuck. >> andrea, aisle speak for both of us. we live in the bubble of america here in washington. >> okay. fine. it's a young thing. i went. i'll never go back. i think i was about two decades
beyond everybody in there. it's a big thing in new york, outside of new york as well. andrea, your thoughts on the white flags over the brick lynn bridge. >> it's extraordinary. just look at that picture. don't know who, don't know what the motivation is. but people in new york are all asking today, if you can get up there with spotlights on it and whatever security is supposed to be there and paut white flag, what else could you put on the brooklyn bridge. >> i would think even if it turns out to be art or something, it's an embarrassment to the nypd and also to terrorism security officials who are supposed to be protecting the city. i will be waiting for more word on that. we're also going to be getting a spokesperson for israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu in just a few minutes. we'll start with ukraine. investigators are finally at the site in ukraine where malaysian airlines flight 17 went down. they have already made a stunning discovery.
they say key pieces of evidence including the cockpit and fuselage were cut in half with saws. u.s. intelligence officials say the satellite images show increased traffic at a russian military base believed to be helping the rebels. and this photo appears to show a surface-to-air missile launcher making its way back from ukraine to russia. do we even need this, andrea, to know what happened? >> we do need to know what happened. >> we know what happened. >> we know russian separatists did this. given european skepticism and reluctance to do anything about vladimir putin, we have to have a smoking gun and there is no smoking gun. everyone was called in to a big intelligence briefing yesterday, the white house telegraphed, they came on my program at noon and said we are going to show declassified -- dianne feinstein said, everyone says we're going to put it out there. then they showed social media pictures. they haven't shown any hard
evidence and certainly have not proved russian involvement. what they can say is what the president, samantha power, jn kerry has been saying, russia trained the separatists, armed the separatists. there was no tracking of any kind of flight from the kiev military at that time and russian separatists had to have been involved. >> all right. meanwhile russian president vladimir putin has struck a defiant tone, and this is what you're talking about, in a foreign policy speech. he blamed ukraine for escalating the conflict. before heading west on a fund-raising trip, president obama visited the dutch embassy in washington to remember nearly 200 victims from the netherlands. he said americans are heartbroken and vowed there will be justice. the president also called the prime minister amid criticism he would be looking for political donations here at home amid growing crises overseas. >> i can understand he had all the trappings, but there's no concern about the image, yes, he can have these calls, but his schedule is basically dominated
by fund-raising this week. >> maybe the public schedule that you see, but what you will -- >> what's he having that we're not seeing? >> what will be clear to you as the president goes through the next several days is he will be paying all of the necessary attention to make sure american interests are represented in each of these circumstances. again, he can do that through phone calls, through conversations with staff, either in washington, around the globe or traveling with him along the west coast. >> chuck, let's go to you on this, covering the white house so closely. this is a white house that as you know very well claims it has no time or patience for political theater except for when it's performing political theatre. how concerned do you gather the white house is from your conversations with this contrast of the president being on the west coast raising money, doing some of the things he's doing? are they as unconcerned as they poop toerd at the briefing yesterday? >> not just unconcerned. think i they think this is a cheap hit. they view it as a parlor game in
washington, an attempt instead of debating the policy and having a back and forth about it, that this is just a cheap political hit on them. they're not concerned about it, and, if anything, the more criticism that comes their way, the more defiant they are. i look back on the weekend. "the new york times" does that story about should he have continued that trip, and the president was so concerned about his image he flew from camp david to st. belvoir to golf. when i say they're defiant about this, they've defiant about this. >> andrea, a phrase in the sporting room called dressing room fighters. that would be boxers in dressing rooms who talk about what they're going to do twhen they get in the ring. that's all they really do is talk. is the administration, national security apparatus of the administration at all concerned about the dressing room fighter aspect of our european allies who have ratcheted up the verbiage, the rhetoric over the
past two or three days that seem increasingly reluctant to really crack down on vladimir putin? >> absolutely. that's been a concern all along. they've tried to work it a number of ways. they've left a little bit of running room for the president to still deal with putin and for kerry to deal with the russians so you don't hear them getting personal and strident about putin himself. it was dialed up a little more when the president spoke the other day. at the same time, the europeans are observing their own self-interest. aside from the riffs, aside from david cameron, you hear even the dutch were slow to come to this. we'll see where the dutch end up. but they have this very close relationship of greater economic reliance, russia, than almost many of their european colleagues and only a year ago they had putin there and were celebrating the netherlands anniversary with vladimir putin. >> the president said we'd bring
to justice these people. what does that mean and how do you do that without the european's help? >> you can't. europe is absolutely critical. we don't have that kind of leverage. we don't have that economic relationship with russia for many good reasons. but europe is geographically and economically completely tied with them. >> another story that's developing at this hour, just this morning secretary of state john kerry arrived in tel aviv on a military jet to pursue a ceasefire plan between israel and hamas. otherwise there are no u.s. flights going to israel for the time being after a militant rocket hit nearby. the rocket damaged some homes, no serious injuries. the move has stranded some tourists and israel has pressured the u.s. to restore service. in a show of solidarity with the jewish state we hear now that new york city mayor michael bloomberg, former mayor, announced he's flying israeli-based airline elal to tel aviv.
a victory for hamas hurting israel's economy and reputation for security. far more real, two more israeli soldiers were killed in gaza while the death toll for palestinians tops 600. nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel traveled with ambulance crews who must wait in many cases for victims to be brought to them. >> reporter: between energy calls, red crescent medics check their supplies. this medic says he can't go where he's needed most. we get calls that there are injured there and they're bleeding to death, he said, but we can't go in. last time he did manage to get in, this is what he found. first, a face like a corpse, then she moved and breathed. this 24-year-old woman had been buried under the debris of her home for two days before his team rescued her this is where
she is right now. in critical condition, badly burned and appears to be slipping in and out of consciousness. a doctor tells us all of her family was killed. they don't expect her to survive. >> meanwhile "the washington post" reports in the west bank israel is beginning to demolish homes belonging to the relatives of palestinians accused of violence. so right now we have the sec tafr of state meeting with who? >> with ban ki moon and then he'll meet with others. he'll be meeting with both sides. they are very defensive about the fact that he flew in, but he flies in a military plane all the time even though his regular plane is a 757, but it's converted, has military equipment. the fact is he's got to be on the ground there, he's got to be negotiating. israel very resistant now. israel went along with the ceasefire, egypt's proposal for a ceasefire. but now seeing the situation on the ground there are many in israel worrying this a ceasefire that doesn't get at these
tunnels and that stops the actual fighting right now advantages hamas. >> let's get to our next guest, joining us from tel aviv, mark regev spokesman for israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. thank you very much for being on this morning. >> my pleasure. >> can i get a general reaction to the ban on flights in tel aviv at this point? >> there are some things we do in israel okay, other things we do well and other things we do very well. i think it's recognized that israel does aviation security very well, we're a world leader. though we've had some 2,000 rockets from gaza into israel, we haven't had one rocket hit a target on the runway, not on the terminal. i drove past the airport on the way to work this morning, planes were taking off, planes were landing. our airport is safe. our airport is secure.
we hope the american carrier also be flying to israel soon. >> we have our secretary of state working on trying to achieve a ceasefire there. what is in the way at this point? what are the challenges and how possible is diplomacy ultimately at any time soon? >> the biggest challenge is hamas that keeps shooting rockets into israel and launching these terror operations through tunnels coming into israel trying to kill our people. we said yes to an egyptian brokered ceasefire proposal. hamas said no. we said yes to humanitarian cease fires proposed by both the united nations and red cross, we said yes, hamas said no or violated them. i think the ball is clearly in hamas's court. are they ready for a serious ceasefire, a ceasefire where we know this is going to end, that israel and the citizens of my country can enjoy a sustained
period of peace and quiet and live in security without the constant fear of an incoming rocket from gaza? >> mark, andrea mitchell here in new york today. >> hi, andrea. >> are you now ready for a ceasefire? if john kerry says hamas has agreed to a ceasefire without the conditions that you all were rejecting earlier, are you ready to accept what was originally the egyptian proposal? >> there are a lot of ifs in your question. >> i understand that. >> if hamas tells john kerry -- we don't know where we are. our position has been clear and has been proven over the last few days. we've accepted ceasefire solutions that have been put on the table and hamas has been the one who has refused to accept ceasefires, continued to shoot rockets at israel, continued to attack israel. we're going to defend ourselves. our military is in action against hamas targets to stop them from shooting rockets against our people. if hamas changes, that will be a new ball game. if they decide they can stop
shooting rockets, that will be a very interesting development. i don't think they're about to do that. >> good morning, this is harold ford. there's a minority opinion in the u.s. amongst some influentials that perhaps a u.s. involvement in trying to resolve this matter, we can't make the impact or we don't have the impact we'd like. from your standpoint is a sustained u.s. involvement in trying to broker not only a ceasefire, but some kind of sustained peace and quiet that you spoke of for the israelis, do you envision and believe our involvement is useful, is helpful, is impactful in a positive way going forward? >> never, harold, underestimate the weight of u.s. diplomatic power. since this crisis started, president obama, secretary kerry, have been crystal clear that hamas is to be condemned for shooting those rockets into israel, that hamas is to be condemned for rejecting the
ceasefire proposals and israel has a right to defend itself. the united states is lining up behind the egyptian proposed ceasefire, and that's very important because we think that's the only game in town. i also want to take this opportunity to say thank you to the american people, to the congress, to the administration torques the president for iron dome. do you know how many lives have been saved by iron dome? we've had more than 2,000 missiles fired at our cities and casualty levels have been very, very low. that's largely due to this anti missile system which was helped funded by the united states and it's saving lives. we thank you for that. >> mr. regev, is the government concerned that in one hand hamas is successful of strapping israel within gaza and draining israel of lives, time, public relations consequences around the world and that you might be there much longer than you had anticipated? >> we're aware that that could
be their game plan, but we're also aware that we have to maintain mob beal tactics to keep them on the run and ultimately it has to be remembered that hamas is in many ways unprecedently isolated, not just in the international community, not just in the west. hamas is isolated today in the arab world. it was hamas that said no to an arab league supported ceasefire proposal. it was hamas that said no to a ceasefire that the palestinian president himself, mahmoud abbas endorsed. i think hamas has a major problem today with the people of gaza. you've seen in the papers, they can't freely express their opinion, but the people of gaza didn't want this war, just like the people of israel didn't want it. it was forced upon us by a very radical islamist movement, a movement that's not that different from i.s.i.s. in iraq or hezbollah in lebanon or boka
haram. they are extremists, crazy islamists with a nihilistic ideology. twe know you've tried to pul off a pinpoint operation. we expect your right to defend yourself. but why are so many civilians dieing on the other side? >> first of all, i know civilians are dieing, but those u.n. numbers are based on the hamas ministry of health. they have to be treated with a certain amount of skepticism. after the fighting was over in the previous rounds that we had with gaza, it was shown that those numbers of civilian casualties were greatly exaggerated. having said that, i know that innocent people are getting killed despite our best efforts to be as surgical and as targeted as we can be. i think hamas has to be held
responsible for that. it's hamas distributively using gaza civilians as human shields. the yund nations has reported two specific occasions where hamas was storing its missiles inside u.n. schools, and they do so also in mosques and in the middle of urban areas. we had terrible fighting. we lost many -- too many of our servicemen in a neighborhood called is a jia. there we urged the civilian population to leave. we didn't want civilians to be injured in the crossfire. hamas ordered them to stay. hamas wanted them as human shields for its war machine. i think hamas has to be blamed for the terrible loss of life in gaza because its policies have led to that loss of life. >> mark regev, also pouring through incredible stories of civilians shot dead as well in the middle of all this. we'll work on bringing some of
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here with us now republican senator from georgia an ranking member of the intelligence committee, senator saxby chambliss. good to have you on the show this morning. >> thanks. good to be with you. >> i'll follow up on the point andrea mitchell made moments ago, there is evidence needed, a
smoking gun, something in order to really get the unity to close in on vladimir putin. do you not agree with that? >> i was a little bit surprised at the intelligence community saying yesterday that to a group of reporters, if you'll meet us at such and such time, we'll show you the outline of why we think the russians were involved. my understanding of that meeting is that they did not really show that smoking gun. so i'm a little disappointed in that because there's obviously a lot of evidence pointing to the russians, some of it circumstantial, but frankly, some of it is pretty direct. it's still classified. i think at the end of the day, all that classified information will ultimately be released and whether it was the russians themselves that pulled the trigger or russian separatists trained by russians, it's all in the same and it all goes back ultimately to vladimir putin.
>> senator, you were probably in little league when this happened. i don't want to make you older than you are. 1962, adlai stevenson stood up in the united nations and provided several smoking guns during the cuban missile crisis. it's our understanding from sources that there is, as you indicated, far more hard intelligence about the missile, where it was fired, when it was fired, the location of the missile. why have we not, in order to get the europeans more outraged than they seem to be, provide that material to the world through the united nations? >> obviously i can't answer that question. that's within the purview of the white house as to when that information will be released. but it is pretty clear and, you're right, somebody brought up to me that stephenson speech last night, when are we going to see the subpoena son moment in the u.s.? we have the perfect person in samantha power there to do it. she did a great job i thought on
friday, a much stronger statement than what the president has made, and hopefully that statement will be forthcoming in the short term. >> senator, andrea mitchell here, your partner, dianne feinstein said two days ago that they should declassify the intelligence. you just said it. have you seen in your briefings pictures or evidence? our colleagues were all at that briefing yesterday. all they showed was social media which has been publicly available. that's not the kind of evidence that is going to push the self-interested french off the dime an their arm sales. >> exactly, andrea. that's what disappointed me and i notice appointed dianne because she and i talked about it yesterday. for whatever reason they have failed to disclose that to the public. frankly, the french have the same information we have. the germans have it. all of our european friends have
it, but they haven't displayed the outrage that i had hoped they would. the one reason they haven't is that irrespective of the fact that we did not have as many folks on the plane as some other countries did, the president is still going to have to lead on this issue. if he leads in the right way, i'm confident the europeans will follow. but we just haven't seen that yet. but that evidence needs to be forthcoming. >> senator, it's willie geist here. when you say the president needs to lead on this issue, obviously nothing gets done without europe. what can he be doing specifically that he's not doing today to nudge europe in that direction? >> number one is to release the classified information. there's no reason not to. we know, for example, from social media that was made available yesterday that a missile truck was rolling
through the area where this missile was fired from shortly before it happened. we know that after the missile was fired that a truck rolled out with apparently one missile missing. we can substantiate where that missile was fired from. that's the type of hard evidence that coupled with the evidence that was shown yesterday on social media will make it pretty darn clear as to who fired this missile. once you do that and once you publicly state to the european people this is what vladimir putin did, then i think you're going to see a ground swell of support coming out of the european people which will force their leaders to get on board in a much stronger way. >> senator saxby chambliss, thank you very much. very good to see you, sir. >> you, too. coming up, how far is the obama administration willing to go to stop russia's aggression in eastern ukraine? we'll go live to the white house
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military operations says pro-russian rebels have shot down two ukrainian fighter jets. that's according to the associated press as well as reuters, i believe we have it double sourced. joining us u.s. deputy security adviser tony blinken. have you heard about this as well? >> i just saw the report but i don't have confirmation, but we're looking into that right now. >> if this is true as it appears to be, i would take it that the question i'm about to ask you is all the more important. if unity with europe in terms of collective condemnation of what is happening and what has happened over eastern ukraine is key, what is the president doing to lead? >> mika, i think we've seen extraordinary leadership by the president in bringing europe along and exerting extraordinary pressure on russia. yesterday the europeans made clear that they're prepared to take action in key sectors of the russian economy, the financial sector, arms sector.
today the sanctions we've led the way on have had a debilitating impact on the russian economy. we've seen growth projections go down to zero. the president of the largest bank in russia in announcing a dramatic cut to their profits said it's because of the sanctions led by the west. we're seeing this have a big impact on russia and people around putin questioning the direction he's taking the country. >> andrea, i want your reaction to the breaking news first, the shooting down of two fighter jets. >> if that's true, it indicates capacity on the part of russian separatists. do we have intelligence? there's criticism today from the intelligence committee, both saxby chambliss and he said dianne feinstein talked to him about the nature of the intelligence briefing, one of your deputies told me yesterday on live television it was going to be explicit and declassified information. the reporters from all the media
who were there say it did not produce what they expected. it produced social media and, in fact, said there was no clear indication of russian involvement? >> i disagree. i think we have a compelling case. we've seen a number of things. first of all in recent weeks and, indeed, one of the reasons we went ahead with additional sanctions, we've seen a flow of weapons across the border into the ukraine including heavy weapons. second, i think the case very compelling that the plane was shot down by a missile, almost certainly by an sa-11. we know the shot was fired from an area controlled by the separatists. we know the separatists bragged about it on social media immediately afterward until they found out they had downed a civilian plane. it's a very compelling case. we began to lay that out in detail for the media yesterday. we're working to declassify more information. i think when you look at it in its totality, it's very compelling. >> if it's so compelling, is the
president calling president hollande and saying why are you selling arms to russia? why would france continue with arms sales to russia? >> we've had conversations with our french partners about that. the bottom line is what we've seen time and again is with the president's leadership on the phone, relentlessly with european leaders over the last months and things that aren't seen necessarily by the public, he has brought them along, moved them along, we've taken action together in building up this pressure on russia. the pressure is growing and growing and growing. >> tony, steve rattner. just to stay with the same theme, the lead headline today in the "financial times" says eu scuppers sanctions, is not enthusiastic about sanctions. you earlier in your interview said you thought sanctions were about to come. can you tell us exactly what you think europeans will do? banning people and some of the financial transactions is well
and good. i think what the world is waiting for, are there going to be serious trade-related sanctions on russia with europe being a full partner in that? >> as you know, bringing along 28 countries is a challenge. we've seen tre men dwous leadership by german chancellor merkel, prime minister cameron in the uk and others. the president has been leading that effort, as i said, on the phone with all of them repeat repeated repeatedly. what they did yesterday is make it clear they're prepared to take action in these key sectors of the russian economy. actions have a real impact, but just the threat and the uncertainty that the possibility of future actions has creates a real impact on the economy as well. >> mr. blinken, last week, the airline shot down, if the reports are accurate, the separatists have now shot down two ukrainian fighter jets which seem to have jumped the scale a
bit in terms of -- putin is not pulling back, putin is not shying away from this. it would seem the separatists are operating emboldenly. what do we do know? >> we've made very clear to the rugss they need to deescalate this crisis and make it clear to the separatists they have to cease and desist, stop the flow of weapons to the separatists, get them to adhere to a ceasefire. you recall poroshenko, the ukrainian leader implemented a ceasefire that the separatists violated more than 100 times. the pressure we're seeing exerted on russia, the isolation we're seeing grow day by day of president putin and russia i think is going to have an impact in moving in that direction. >> tony blinken, thank you very much. following breaking news, pro-russian separatists according to ap have shot down two ukrainian fighter jets. all of our reaction here was, holy crap. this is bad. >> the thing the president said,
kerry said, samantha power had said that is most important here, aside from the evidence, circumstantial as it may be, is that vladimir putin has the most influence, the most direct influence over these separatists. if this is true and if these fighter jets were shot down, it had to be from the separatists, and they're the only ones that have the anti aircraft missiles to do this. >> the possibility are bad. one, either they've run amuck or -- >> he unleashed the passions here. he's the only one that can reel them back in. >> the question is a propos this interview with tony blinken, are the sanctions actually going to work? are they going to be able to make them robust and bring russia to the table or not. that headline is obviously not encouraging. >> this basically says exactly what steve was saying, the european rift, the split in
europe is inhibiting them from taking tough action. >> no question about that. the question is whether somehow the president will be able to push this forward. up next, the new man in charge of "fortune" magazine, alan murray is standing by. get it right here on "morning joe." you make a great team.
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right now in the mcada in the west bank with the palestinian leader. the problem is the palestinian leader doesn't control hamas. negotiating with him is one step. since midnight last night his time, kerry was on the phone with the leaders of qatar, turkey, netanyahu, hamas, ban ki moon, french foreign minister and egyptian foreign minister and flew to jurs let me, met with ban ki moon and is now in the west bank. >> thomas? >> here with us right now from capitol hill is president of the pew research center alan murray, the soon-to-be editor of "fortune." congratulations on the upcoming post. >> thank you. great to be here. >> you're going to be taking over the new gig coming up in august. what's your vision for the magazine, how you want to take over from andy and move it forward? >> "fortune" magazine is one of
the great iconic brands of american journalism. a lot of great journalists work there. andy is certainly one of them. but they've been hampered in their ability to build a digital presence, an effective digital presence because they were in this strange marriage with cnn.com. that's over. the split time time warner and time inc. took place june 1st. there's an opportunity to take this great american brand and turn it into an effective press ens on digital platforms. that's what i'm there to do, a great challenge and great opportunity. i'm looking forward to it. >> let's look, alan, if we can, at some of the breaking news here, talking about russia and ukraine and a part where you will focus on will be sanctions and other tough penalties against russia. what's your take on what's happened so far? >> i have to say i agree with steve on this. if you look at what's happening in financial markets, you don't
see any great concern about strict sanctions which could really have serious economic effects, not just on russia, but on all of europe, the supply of natural gas, et cetera. there doesn't seem to be a great fear in the oil markets, and i think that all reflects what steve was saying which was a sense that the europeans aren't going to really allow this to turn into a big economic sanctions battle. >> steve, do you agree? and also, if it doesn't, how then do we close in on putin? what are the other options? andrea, do you want to chime in. >> it does seem to me, alan and steve, that europe is not going to take that step. they're going to talk about individual freezing of assets, of individuals, but that's not the broad sectoral sanctions that will get putin's attention. >> i think what we're into is kind of shaping putin, really. we're trying to embarrass him with some of the stuff they did with the black boxes, with the bodies, all these things and gotten a little bit of relief in
terms of the bodies being released, the black boxes being released. it seems to be more a campaign of embarrassment and humiliation than an economic one. the economic one isn't that effective. >> the question is how effective is shaming going to be on president putin. he's clearly a long-term player, a strategic player and he has a grand and i would say somewhat scary vision for where the world should be headed. you wonder if something like the shooting down of this malaysian airlines isn't going to galvanize the world into taking stronger action what will? >> andrea, i'm sorry. i missed the part when talking to the producer. in terms of the concept of shaming putin. you heard david ignatius and my father talking this week that maybe, just maybe he might have blinked in light of the downing of flight 17. but it seems to take a lot to make him blink, that this personality of his may be based
on a psychosis that we can't work with. >> well, i'm struck by what evan osnos told you the other morning in his remarkable new yorker"ne profile of joe biden. he quoted joe biden as saying i looked into putin's eyes and said i see no soul there. and putin said now you get it, now we understand each other. this is a lifelong kgb man whose sole advisers are not the foreign minister but former kgb men, three or four people around him. so penetrating that, if you will, is really, really tough. >> i think it's pain. i think it's pain. it's not shame. >> but how do you inflict pain without europe helping? >> well, i know. i think -- >> it takes sacrifice. >> exactly. >> it's coming off the heels of the olympics. the world has rewarded him with the world cup coming up next. there's a lot of attention that russia has gotten for itself
around the world and it's all building into putin's nationalism, his russian nationalism. >> exactly. thomas, only a few days ago he was posing with the leaders of brazil, china, india, talking about setting up a new regional bank. this may be all, you know, airy fairy and it's all talk. in other words, he is presenting a face to the world, independence from the european pressure. >> alan murray has to come back when he can talk about pay walls -- >> okay, we'll do that. >> i'll come back any time. thank you, mika. >> congratulations. still ahead we break down the latest polling numbers on hillary clinton and explain why her biggest political liability may be politics. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.
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>> oh, as secretary of state hillary clinton -- i thought this was you, thomas -- refused to talk about politics, perhaps one reason her approval marks were through the roof. now the former first lady is back in the political fray and it's taking a toll on her numbers. >> reporter: her resume includes the first lady of arkansas, the first lady of the united states, senator from new york and secretary of state. now as hillary clinton looks to potentially add one more title to that list, new polling shows her stock might be on the
decline. recent polls show hillary clinton leading all her potential democratic challengers, but will her name recognition be enough? gallup polling puts clinton's approval rating at 54%, the lowest since 2008. further compounding her problems a recent political poll shows independent voters by a 2-1 margin rate her job as secretary of state as fair or poor. in another sign of weakness, a recent abc news/washington post poll shows a majority of democrats prefer to have another candidate in the 2016 primary contest, which could open up the door for other candidates to mount a strong bid. despite this, hillary's political strength is largely rooted in her strong name identification and high favorability rating. other potential 2016 candidates including massachusetts freshman senator elizabeth warren and new york governor andrew cuomo lack the national stature of clinton. if other candidates want to be considered a viable option to
hillary, it's imperative they step out from her shadow and make themselves her alternative. guys, back to you. >> derrick, thank you. you get a sense of the back and forth, up and down with hillary clinton, but if she decides to run, andrea mitchell? >> well, hillary clinton is such a prohibitive favorite in any democratic contest, but i wouldn't discount the fact that when elizabeth warren went to net roots last week, she was a rock star. >> but then she said no, no and furthermore no. >> furthermore no until if someone were to slip, whatever. there could be a challenge. >> wait a minute, i didn't say this. the extremely credible andrea mitchell just said this. >> you're the extremely credible mika brzezinski. >> but they make fun of me because they think i'm obsessed with elizabeth warren. >> i don't think that's like a think, i think that's like a no. >> oh, you. you and i will not do that. we've got breaking news out of ukraine as pro-russian rebels shoot down two ukrainian fighter jets. we're going to bring the latest
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with. >> you understand the reality remains in terms of who is in charge. >> in which country? >> in which country are we? >> you tell me. >> welcome back to "morning joe." steve rattner, mike barn kel, andrea mitchell is at the table. we want to get right into the breaking news this hour. there is new escalation to report in the violence in eastern ukraine with reports this morning that two of that country's fighter jets were shot down by pro-russian rebels. ukraine's defense ministry says the aircraft were taken out at about 1:30 p.m. local time not far from the russian border. officials say the planes may have been carrying up to two crew members each. so far there is no word on their condition. investigators meanwhile are finally at the site where malaysia airlines flight 17 went down last week and they have already made a stunning discovery and that is that key pieces of evidence, including the cockpit and the fuselage
were cut in half with saws. let's leave it there for a second. andrea, as we monitor this breaking news and also getting word here that russia may impose a ban on food imports from ukraine because of kiev's trade deal with the e.u., a lot of different -- a lot of different cross-currents here but the breaking news is the shootdown of these two fighter jets. the fighting continuing amidst this disaster. >> there was increased fighting and a repositioning of separatists in donetsk toward the center of the city. it seemed as though the ukrainian military was regaining some leverage there in the donetsk area. now we have a.p. and reuters both reporting what the ukrainian defense ministry says about these fighter jets going down. they're soviet-made fighter jets run by the ukraine military. and again we don't know what kiev is claiming is accurate. the white house telling us that
they have no hard confirmation yet, but this would be another escalation. there were two planes, one a cargo, one a fighter jet, that went down last week before the malaysian airliner and what the conclusion of american intelligence was in a briefing that we all got yesterday afternoon was that it was most probably russian-backed separatists who shot down the malaysian airliner confusing it with another fighter jet, so it would have been, they thought, the third incident of a fighter jet. >> would it not also indicate that whatever influence vladimir putin has over the separatists, over the movement, over the war itself has been severely reduced because the separatists appear to be totally out of control, shooting down two ukraine jets within less than a week after they shoot down a commercial airliner. >> mike, it's a great point. there are two possibilities. either they are out of control, he's ignited this wildfire and he can't control it, or he's looking the other way and is still encouraging it privately.
>> yeah. >> so we have this. u.s. intelligence officials say the satellite images that we're about to show you show increased traffic at a russian military base believed to be helping the rebels. this photo appears to show a surface-to-air missile launcher making its way back from ukraine to russia. the smoking gun is beginning to emerge. intelligence officials tell nbc news that there's currently no direct evidence that russia, quote, pulled the trigger but they say russia has continued to support the rebels even after the plane went down, as we can see. go ahead, andrea. >> and one quick point to what mike and you all were saying. what they said from the white house the other day is, and what john kerry said is vladimir putin, speak out, speak out publicly. instead what putin did in his somewhat tamped down rhetorical comments were that the ukrainians started this all so it's their fault. he has yet to say anything
publicly to the separatists to reel them back in. >> to either reel them back in or bear some responsibility. my god, even say a mistake. but there is something frightening, i think, here. we talk about his personality being unbelievably self possessed, unself aware, almost in his own reality. >> what diane feinstein said is man up, putin, man up. if a mistake was made, acknowledge an error. >> we're hearing from from senator feinstein but as we look back at what the obama administration has said around other crises around the world, let's take syria, for example. the red line was drawn. there was so much pointed at the white house after it was proven that bashar al assad was gassing his own people, that red line obviously crossed. russia stepped in to say we will help them and take care of syria's weapons and we will dispose of them. and it got the obama administration off the hook or at least everybody looking the
other way. >> good point. >> now we have the white house not giving any type of strong language about vladimir putin. as you make the point publicly he might be saying i'm trying to do something about this but privately encouraging those passions. when does the white house say enough is enough? >> what kerry and others are saying is there are two sides to vladimir putin. russia is helping us most recently with iran in the negotiations, actually pushing iran towards a nuclear deal. russia did help us with the chemical weapons being disposed of from syria. that said, that ignores the fact that the worst deaths in syria are coming not from the chemicals, as horrific as they are, but from the continual support for assad that russia is exhibiting and the conventional weapons that are being used, the barrel bombs being used against the syrian people. >> go ahead, steve. >> just coming back, thomas, to your point, i don't know what -- how we say enough is enough to russia. i don't know what our lercverag is. i don't know what we can do to
make putin bend on this stuff. we've talked about the trade sanctions, we've talked about the limited effect. >> you showed charts earlier about the dependence on russia, especially on the part of europe. what would be the sacrifice given the numbers and the graphs you showed us that they would have to make to close in on him in a harsh way? >> well, the reality is, steve, go ahead. isn't the reality that we can do very little without europe going along with us? >> that's it. >> well, that is the reality. the reality is that we have almost no trade with russia and the reality is that europe -- 9.5% of europe's trade is with russia. they import huge quantities of energy and export manufactured goods, machinerymachinery, thin that. there's no evidence that europe is prepared to sacrifice all that, prepared to do without the russian gas that goes to germany, that they're prepared to do without the exports. right as we set here speaking, france is building two amphibious assault craft for
russia and training their military. >> i want to know what the sacrifice would have to be. i think it's a fair question to ask given that you had a murder of 298 people in the skies over ukraine on the part of russia as far as we know so far and the separatists continuing the violence in ukraine, that this is not going to end well or any time soon. so what is the change in the day-to-day life, if europe does close in, if europe does decide to show unity and do what needs to be done to cut off vladimir putin and cut him down? >> steve has the hard numbers, but what we're talking about here is a very cold winter, high energy prices. we're talking about manufactured goods that are exported to russia by -- from the netherlands, from these other countries. this is a very close trade relationship, and angela merkel and some of the other leaders have tried to stand up but they are being pressured by their own financial communities. >> and just one last point on this. remember some of us at this table, i won't say exactly who,
are old enough to remember 1980 when we did a grain embargo against russia over the invasion of afghanistan. >> and didn't go to the olympics. >> and didn't go to the olympics and that didn't really go so well. trade sanctions are very, very hard to enforce in a big way. >> some of us are old to remember jean kirkpatrick at the united nations with the proof that the soviets shot down kao-7. >> we're going live to keir simmons in eastern ukraine with the latest on the downed fighter jets and anything else. keir? >> reporter: hey, mika. yeah, this happened around 1:30 local time, which is 6:30 eastern here in eastern ukraine. we're understanding that there are two fighter jets that have been hit. it's confused, as you'd expect, since it only happened in the last few hours but it looks like both of them were downed. ukrainian's defense ministry saying there were two crew
members on each. they are fighter jets, ground attack jets which will fire missiles or small munitions. so we suspect that they were involved in some kind of attack rather than simply flying over. we don't know that for sure. we did, mika, by the way see a couple of ukraine january jets flying over here. we're standing here in front of the wreckage of mh-17 that went down in this field. while we were here today, we saw a couple of ukrainian jets flying over, so it could be that they were the very jets that have been shot at and badly damaged if not downed. by the way, we don't know how the two pilots or the four crew are on those two planes. so we may have seen the aircraft. and just in the last hour or two, we heard what sounded like an aircraft in the air as well. extraordinary, mika, given what happened just under a week ago and it indicates the possibility that the rebels still have the ability to shoot down planes and
still are prepared to do it. now, these planes when we saw them were flying very high. they may have been flying lower so it may have been possible to target them with a shoulder-mounted launcher, but we don't know. and if it is the case that planes in the sky here have been attacked again, it will just ratchet up the tension. >> absolutely. steve rattner? >> that last point is an important point in terms of understanding who's got what capability on the ground. how high were those planes. if they were below 12,000 feet, they could be shot down with a shoulder-mounted rocket. much higher than that you need these sophisticated missiles that brought down the malaysian airpla airplane. so that will tell us a lot about who's doing what in ukraine. >> keir, the other development at the crash site where you are is the discovery that the two major pieces of the plane were sawed in half. what are you hearing there on the scene?
>> reporter: that's right. the monitors, the western monitors who have been here saying that numbers of pieces of wreckage have been moved if not damaged. i have to tell you, we believe that in some cases they were sawed or damaged, if you like, in an effort to retrieve bodies so it may not be the case that they were deliberately tampered with. what i can tell you, mika, is in the fields nearby here, we have just walked around and seen pieces of wreckage with damage on them, indents on them that suggest that the outside of the plane was hit by shrapnel. now that clearly is evidence that the investigators here would want to get hold of. so far we haven't seen them there. we haven't seen them retrieving those clues. so there's clearly a lot that needs to be done here. the trouble is as we discussed before, mika, there is still a war going on, witness these planes being shot down today. >> mike barnicle. >> keir, do you see any evidence
of collection going on from outside independent collectors, collecting evidence, or are they still being restrained, blocked or prevented from getting to areas where you are and other areas to retrieve elements of the plane that would be pivotal in terms of finding out exactly what happened? >> reporter: i haven't seen anything being collected, mike. i have to say, though, i haven't seen anyone being restrained either. we did see the investigators here yesterday taking photographs and looking closely at this tail, for example, so they have been here trying to gather evidence but it's a very good question because what you do normally is gather all of this wreckage together, take it to a safe place and try to piece the plane back together in order to establish what happened to it, but i haven't seen any evidence of that happening. by the way, what we did do is go to a town nearby where u.s. intelligence believe a rocket may have been fired from. we tried to get to that town. we were stopped at a checkpoint
and told we can't go any further. the militia at one point fired a round in the air but told us i haven't seen any missile launcher here. >> keir, thanks very much. joining us now from washington, nbc news white house correspondent peter alexander with the latest there. what are you hearing from the white house, peter? >> reporter: yeah, mika. right now the white house, as i think you've reported, doesn't have any independent confirmation that these two fighter jets were shot down or certainly who was responsible for the shooting down of those jets. obviously the challenge yesterday was, i think, some white house aides were a little dismayed by the way they think that message came out of that private -- that background meeting where they were discussing the intelligence out of the shootdown of mh-17, malaysia airlines 17. they said while there is no direct link obviously to pro-russian separatists there, they say those russian separatists clearly were -- had the conditions created by russia, that these happened from separate-held areas so their
focus is the message remains the same. they are very confident, even convinced that the russians ultimately were the ones to blame for what happened recently and there by that creates the situation that we're dealing with today as they were hoping that russia would back off, not push forward and try to have a stronger message. we haven't heard from vladimir putin. he hasn't said anything directly towards those pro-russian separatists. what's interesting today is we're also in a situation where the white house has taken a lot of criticism for its travel over the course of this week given a series of international crises that are taking place at one time. of course john kerry is directly addressing the situation in israel with hamas as he's in tel aviv right now but also the situation taking place with russia, given the shootdown of that jet. president obama last night wrapped up a pair of fund-raisers in washington state. today he's in california for some more fund-raising, so basically three out of the five days this week, president obama will spend some time raising money for political causes for
the democratic party. and that is obviously been a source of a lot of frustration for critics of this administration. i think even within the administration, yesterday during the briefing we were pressing press secretary john earnest on this very topic and he seemed to suggest that there was at least a good chance that there may be some shake-up of the schedule. they acknowledge the challenging optics that exist here. yesterday the media wasn't even given full access to a brief meeting that president obama had with the heroes of apollo 11 on its 45th anniversary. cameras were allowed, still cameras but not video cameras and there were frustrations why the media wouldn't even be allowed in for something like that. >> that's been the criticism from critics. no matter who the president is when he's on vacation and there's kries seize, that's going to be the criticism. you can argue that the job can be done from wherever he is. having said that, what's your
take, because there's also the friction inside the white house of what should the president be doing, where should he be, what kind of message should we send. that's their job. what's your gut on this, overblown? >> there is -- yes, there are communications. he can do his job from wherever he is, but there are moments where even telegraphing -- this isn't politics, this is the optics of leadership. and the golf course is not the best place to be, even though you don't really see him out there. but the fund-raising, those trips really should -- are being questioned for a good reason. you know, the trips last thursday when the malaysian airliner was shot down, proceeding to wilmington and then proceeding on to new york for two fund-raisers, that's all being questioned by people. ronald reagan is being praised for coming back from california when the korean airliner was shot down by the soviets in 1983. that was only after he was criticized in 1981 for staying
on vacation and for having his top aide, ed meese, come out and say the president was asleep but he's always in charge. so they learned their lesson and fixed it the next time around. joining us now, jim miklaszewski. jim, what are you hearing about the fighter jets? >> reporter: u.s. military and intelligence officials say they have yet to confirm the claims from the ukrainians that two of their fighter jets were shot down, but they have no reason not to believe it. after all, they say, ukrainian military and government has been fairly accurate, if not right on the money with all their claims throughout this conflict with those russian separatists. but, you know, what this really does show is that despite the overwhelming evidence that the separatists and russians were involved in the shootdown of that plane and world condemnation actually, the russians are still working with those separatists in an effort
to carry on that war in eastern ukraine. and according to officials, as of -- as early as last friday and over the weekend, the russians continue to pour heavy artillery, tanks and even fighters into eastern ukraine while all this investigation into the shootdown of that malaysian airliner was under way. so it appears that the russians and vladimir putin are committed to somehow gaining control of eastern ukraine. and you know at one point we were told by intel officials that when vladimir putin recommended negotiations, according to these officials that would have played directly into putin's hands because it's suspected that he thinks he can gain some kind of control over eastern ukraine in the fighting and faigain some kind of author
over eastern ukraine and obviously they believe that's his overall intent to begin with. >> and how that could be allowed at this point is beyond me. and i hear the incredulousness and mixed voice even because it's almost -- you just -- it's hard to believe. >> how can it be allowed, but how can it be stopped? >> that's exactly the crux. >> i think the analogy you used earlier, he's ignited a wildfire, how does it get put out and does he want to put it out. >> jim miklaszewski, thank you very much. peter alexander, thank you as well. still ahead we'll speak to senators john thune and tim kaine about israel's assault on gaza, vladimir putin's games in the ukraine and the legal limbo of obamacare. but first bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill. >> mika, sad news yesterday off of ft. myers beach in florida. it's known as the lightning capital of the world and we had a lightning fatality on the beach yesterday. this is the 15th fatality we've had this year in the united
states. florida has had six of those. that's why they're known as the lightning capital of the world. again, they tell you, hear the roar, go indoors. that's kind of a little saying that the national weather service is trying to spread across the country. let's take you into what we're going to deal with today. as far as lightning and thunderstorms go, the northeast will have some, we've already had some this morning in ohio. on the west coast we've got an unusually cool pattern and wet weather returning and that's great because that's where the fires have been, especially washington state and in oregon. as far as the radar goes, it is raining. the green is the rain and this is great. this is the wettest day in the northwest in two months and that soaking rain will slowly approach i-5 as we go throughout the morning rush hour, so be prepared for that from portland all the way up through seattle. we'll try to kick some of that rain into the areas of the wilderness where the fires are burning. here's your forecast for your wednesday. hot and humid in the east. in the plains and out in the west very hot conditions. 113 today in phoenix, one of the hottest temperatures of the summer.
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developing stories at this hour. joining the conversation, democratic senator tim kaine of virginia, who serves on both the armed services and foreign relations committees and then we're also going to have senator john thune coming up in just a moment. tim, i take it you've been dealing closely with the situation in the middle east. >> yes, absolutely. >> secretary kerry is on the ground trying to broker some sort of cease-fire. fill in the blanks for me in terms of what needs to be done still on this end. >> you bet, mika. certainly the finding of a cease-fire is important. i asked ambassador durmer to come and brief senators and staff about ten days ago, and then yesterday i asked the palestinian ambassador of the authority to come and brief senators and staff so that we're hearing from both palestinians and israelis and encouraging a cease-fire. that is critical. it was a mistake for hamas to reject the cease-fire proposal put on the table a week or so
ago. israel was ready to accept it. but finding that cease-fire is very important where the parties can then begin to negotiate again to find a political path forward. and all the issues need to be put on the table. i know the palestinians are concerned about the blockade, the limiting of commercial or humanitarian commerce into and out of gaza. that should be put on the table. but you do that in a discussion, you don't do it with unprovoked rocket attacks. >> andrea, i'll be careful here, but we were talking in the break about reports coming in that show potentially the rules of war, if there are any, to be violated and things that are happening that go beyond the code of what is acceptable in terms of trying to get back to at least a cease-fire and ultimately work toward peace. >> as mika is just describing it, senator, there are some horrific examples that we're just seeing today, children allegedly being gunned down, our own richard engle reporting ambulances being targeted, that
said, you met with the ambassador -- with the palestinian ambassador only yesterday. >> yes. >> what influence do they have over the hamas leaders? because secretary kerry is right now meeting with abu mazzen and the other palestinian authority leaders but there is that division among the palestinian ranks. so do you have any assurance from your palestinian contacts diplomatically only yesterday that they could have any influence and that hamas might be willing to go for a cease-fire? >> andrea, that is a very important question because my read of the situation and the palestinian ambassador would not describe it like this, but i was challenging him on it, is that hamas decided to derail the peace talks. the palestinian authority was engaged in peace discussions. those discussions broke down because of missteps on both sides. but you can have a peace process break down and then not have bloodshed. but hamas decided to disrupt the
peace talks. they had done that earlier in 2010. they tried to destabilize peace talks between the palestinian authority and israel. and so, you know, we were kind of challenging the palestinian authority, why are you letting hamas derail these peace discussions? and they didn't have that good an answer to it. i think hamas has decided for their own cynical reasons to disrupt the peace discussions. they are launching rockets unprovoked with the expectation that the israeli response would be exactly what it is. sadly, hamas is getting what it wants. even president abbas has said what are you trying to do with these rocket attacks, trying to get more people in gaza killed? that's what hamas is trying to do. there needs to be a cease-fire, and the first step is for hamas to stop the unprovoked rocket attacks because their own citizens are suffering. and the issues of the blockade of gaza and a continued effort to try to find a path forward on
the peace discussions. as hard as that will be, that needs to take place. >> steve rattner. >> senator, you've obviously heard about the two fighter planes that appear to have been shot down in the ukraine and the efforts that the administration is continuing to make to impose greater sanctions on russia. what's your prognosis, what's your expectation for whether the administration will be successful in imposing some additional sanctions on russia and what form do you think they'll take? >> steve, i do think that we will impose some additional sanctions on russia. i think we should be very focused and target the russian energy sector because it is -- russia to me is a rust belt economy with natural resources and they're using the natural resources as the sort of club to get other nations to be their allies. we need to be targeting their energy sector and we need to be helping europe develop their own energy resources, potentially use strategic shipments of liquid natural gas from the united states to help them break their reliance on russian energy
and finding other energy suppliers for europe. algeria, for example, wants to build a new energy pipeline under the mediterranean that could help supply europe. we need to be working to sanction the russian energy sector and move europe away from their overreliance on russian energy. >> senator, we've been talking obviously about two hot wars going on right now, in the ukraine and in gaza. fair-minded people understand and appreciate the fact that the president can do his job from any point in the world, given the communications abilities today. but are you happy or at least dissatisfied with the president's travel schedule involving multiple fund-raisers out of washington during this time? >> you know, mike, that is -- and especially during the summer, you know, everybody takes vacations, the president will, i will. this is something that always comes up. but i don't think -- i don't think you manage the situation well by just being in a bunker in the white house.
we've seen presidents do that too and i don't think that necessarily works so well. i think it is important for the president to have a full schedule of events and to be outside of the bunker, but to stay very engaged. with secretary kerry there in the middle east working to try to find the cease-fire, he's got his people out on the field. but look, it is a very difficult situation. our heart goes out to everyone who's suffering in israel and palestine. that hamas is trying to destabilize a path for peace is very discouraging. but we have to acknowledge that there's going to be a new israeli president inaugurated this weekend to follow shimon pe res. the new president is the president that has taken the position there shouldn't even be a palestinian state. clearly those of us who want to find peace going forward have a lot of work to do, but the alternative has been shown and the alternative does not look very good. >> senator tim kaine, thank you. up next we jump to the other
side of the aisle. senator john thune will weigh in on the breaking news out of the ukraine and the developing news in the middle east. we'll be right back.
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military planes, assumed to be shot down by the pro-russian separatists. your reaction to that? >> it demonstrates i think some of the capabilities that the separatists have and how important it is that we get the arms flow stopped that's coming from russia into ukraine, but more evidence again that these folks have bad designs and capability to carry out these types of attacks. >> well, it demonstrates their capabilities for sure, but also just either utter chaos or an intensified plan on the part of vladimir putin to keep going and to get that part of eastern ukraine that he wants. >> well, it does, mika. i think, again, all these things, all signs point back to putin. obviously i think that we've got to make the case, the argument publicly with the europeans that assigns responsibility for the shooting down of the commercial airliner as well, but it's very clear the pattern here. i think this all -- the narrative continues to build and
it should intensify. i hope the pressure on the europeans to join the united states and others to try and put more pressure on the russians. this has got to stop and obviously there's a lot of harm that's already been done and more that can be done if we don't get it under control. >> the president has gone as far to say that the russians are responsible and came out with a pretty strong statement the day before yesterday. but is there pressure that can be put on europe as well for more unity? >> sure there is. and i think the president needs to continue to build a unified front with the europeans, but sometimes i think, mika, that it's not just -- it's substance but it's also form. i think the europeans are looking to us to see what the united states is willing to do. i think there is a lot more that can be done in terms of sectoral sanctions, some of the things that have been discussed earlier on the show this morning, but it is going to require american leadership and hopefully the europeans will come with us. but obviously at this point we're having a difficult time
making that argument. i think one of the things that tim kaine mentioned just before me is the economic dependence that europe has on the russians, particularly with regard to energy. that again makes the argument for why it's so important that we open up to l & g exports the european market and the united states try to become more engaged in providing some of the energy needs for europe. that will hopefully free them up to put more pressure on the russians. >> if the europeans don't go along with us and don't accede to our requests for our requests for increased options, what do we do? >> it's real hard. europe has so much more at stake here, the volume of trade, the economic relationship they have with the russians, the historic relationship, but i do think there are things we can be doing. i think sectoral sanctions, the united states leading the way. some things that we haven't done yet that we could do.
i think providing small arms support to the ukrainians. there are a number of steps that i think we could be taking, we should be taking and help lead the way. i don't think the europeans are going to come there automatically. i think we have to make the argument, we have to make the case starting with the information that we have that demonstrates that russia was in fact responsible for the commercial -- the downing of the commercial airliner. and i think it starts there. the president has got to be more engaged, frankly. i appreciate everything that his people are doing, but the bottom line is he's busy, he's traveling the country right now. we all expect him to campaign, it's an election year, we expect him to raise money for democrats, but he's got to demonstrate i think a level of engagement on this issue and leadership that we aren't seeing today. >> senator john thune, thank you very much. good to see you always. up next we'll check on wall street as possible sanctions against russia weigh heavy on the markets. business before the bell is next.
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a special star of business before the bell this morning, joining us now the chairman and ceo of mdc partners, miles nadal. good to have you on board this morning. >> great to be here. >> you told us the markets are stable, the economy is going to grow 3% in the next quarter, housing is picking up, consumer confidence is high, debt levels going down. >> yep. >> is the president a success? and we haven't noticed? >> well, i actually think -- >> you seem so positive, miles. >> the filibuster i think has actually prevented deficit spending so you've been creating surpluses as a result of the fact that both sides of the aisle can't make a decision. >> but you know what i'm asking you. things are -- are you saying things are getting better? >> things are definitely getting -- things are getting definitely better. i'm not certain i would atrikt it to the president's policies. i just think corporations are
doing much better. and the thing that's surprising is with all this geopolitical uncertainty that the markets are stable. people are now raising estimates for the year, that the s&p could trade at 2050. we started the year at around, i don't know, 1872. so people are expecting a much better return in the markets. but if you think about it, mika, who would have thought with what's going on in the ukraine, what's going on in the middle east, what's going on other places in the world, the uncertainty in iran, who would have thought that this would have had no impact on the markets? >> but those are contradictions to say that it doesn't have to do with how president obama has influenced the country or confidence internationally or confidence from those overseas that want to invest in american markets. wouldn't that be a contradiction for you to say it's not part of the presidential policies that have helped goose along our economy to get to where it is. >> i guess you have to give some credit to the policies, but i
think more importantly, i think what you said, brian sullivan said, we're the tallest midget. that america is the safest place to invest money with upside opportunity and economic stability. and i think in relation to what's going on in brazil, russia, china, the middle east, et cetera, people have a propensity to go to safer havens. i think that's also why the dollar has been so strong in relation to other currencies as well. look, i think people are pleasantly surprised about employment levels. 280,000 jobs were created last month. i think they're pleasantly surprised we're seeing record housing prices. corporate profits are growing at a faster rate -- >> why are wages so stagnant? >> i think you have a jobless recovery. i think most of the growth of employment is taking place in proportion to corporate growth, which is 70% or 80% is outside
the country. >> let's bring in cnbc's chief international correspondent, michelle caruso-cabrera to jump into this conversation and also talk about possible sanctions on the part of europe, especially toward russia, the impact that we might be looking at. >> so if you saw the ft this morning, the euro has wimped out yesterday completely at this meeting in brussels, that there were rifts that scufferred new possible sanctions. and then this morning, the breaking news you've been talking about all morning relating to the downing of two more planes possibly, and the fact that russia continued to help the separatists allegedly. and now today that's pushing the euro lower, that's the currency of europe for fears that it may bring on finally a round of sanctions. now, the euro isn't moving that much. it's broken but low $1.35. i know two cents doesn't sound like a lot but in international currency markets, a two-cent move is actually a very big move
and reflects a collective anxiety. that being said, if they really thought there were going to be strong sanctions that were meaningful to hurt russia, i think the euro would be even lower. here's the conundrum europe faces, the united states as well, any economic sanctions that are going to be meaningful and truly hurt russia, would also hurt the countries that actually impose them, right? because if putin decides, oh, yeah, you want to sanction me? guess what, you're not getting your natural gas next winter, he supplies 30% of the natural gas to western europe. and by the way, germany, remember, because of fukushima, abandoned nuclear power, so their energy costs are already rising and rising and rising because of the decisions that they have made and now they have to face the possibility -- that's why you see a lot of businesses in europe, even the ceo of phillips, a dutch company, said we're still going to do business with russia even in light of what's happened. >> i think there's some tumult to come. >> miles, you expressed the
optimism that exists in the market and among corporations, why do you figure there's no optimism, there's only some hesitancy about the future among people, ordinary people, working people who have jobs in this country? >> because i think there's really a lack of confidence in the leadership and i think there's so much uncertainty about can the democrats and republicans ever get along. can they actually pass bills and do things to operate the country in the best interests of the people long term. and i still think we have health care issues, we still have a taxation issue. you've got an immigration issue. you've got all these macro issues that are affecting confidence in the country, and there's so much instability and uncertainty. and i think that's overshadowing the fact that the fundamentals of the economy are getting stronger. >> miles nadal, thank you so much. it's great to see you. michelle caruso-cabrera, thank you as well. up next, a scene any parent will know if they leave their child alone for more than five
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fox urgent police announcing a short time ago human remains were found during the search for missing uva student, hannah graham. good evening, everyone. i'm julie banderas. this is the fox report. just a short time ago, police in virginia revealing a search team has found human remains that might be those of the 18-year-old college sophomore. hannah vanished on september 13 in charlottesville, virginia. a suspect in custody. the discovery was made in a public park just miles outside of charlottesville, virginia. police are now asking anyone familiar with the area for help. it is important to note the remains have not been identified. though hannah's parents have been. the weeks long search operation for hannah involved thousands of
volunteers and law enforcement officials. investigators say the body found today will now be taken to a forensic lab in richmond for positive identification. peter doocy has more from washington. peter, what comes next? >> reporter: as you just said, right now forensic experts in richmond, virginia's state capitol, are working hard. they're work quickly to try to figure out if those human remains found today are a match for hannah graham who went missing 35 days ago exactly. we learned today that sadly, perhaps about ten miles away from the downtown mall restaurant that captured the last known images of hannah graham, a search team from the chesterfield county sheriff's department found some human remains in an abandoned property, just before noon today. we don't know much about what they found, but the sheriff did feel the need to notify hannah graham's parents about the discovery, which they did. on the investigative side, preserving evidence now becomes the key and despite a lack of
positive i.d. so far, the sadness in the police chief's voice today that we heard really does suggest that he is fearing the worst. the chief also said that he thinks all those hours of searching may have finally proven their worth. julie. >> so will the search continue until they make a positive identification? >> reporter: doesn't sound like it. a few minutes ago we got an e-mail from officials down there who said a search planned for tomorrow morning in the general area where these remains were found has now been canceled and when we listened to the investigators today and the authorities, they weren't really talking about anything in the future other than making a positive identification. instead they were really looking back saying thank you to everyone who spent countless hours for what they describe as an unprecedented effort there. listen. >> i want to thank everyone who gave up their days, their nights, their weekends, people who called and wrote and dropped
good wishes and words of encouragement to the search crews to the detectives that have worked so hard in this investigation. i want to thank all of those people because today would not have been possible if not for their prayers, their encouragement and help. >> reporter: the suspect in this case, jesse matthew, is still being held without bond charged with abduction with intent to defile. as far as we know based on updates from prosecutors, he has not been cooperating. he has not been talking. so now investigators want to hear from anybody who may have seen this suspect, jesse matthew, in the general area where these remains were found this morning, late this morning, as the story may be nearing a very sad end not only for the graham family, but also for the entire university of virginia community. back to you. >> all right. peter doocy, thank you so much. turning now to ebola. we are awaiting the release of new guidelines from the center for disease control covering just how our nation's hospitals and health care workers are to handle ebola infected patients.
this comes in response to what has been a series of missteps in treating an ebola patient in dallas, texas that eventually led to two nurses becoming infected. word out of ohio tonight that health officials are now monitoring more than 100 people who had contact with the dallas nurse, amber vinson. many of them, passengers with her on a frontier airlines flight from dallas to cleveland. so far none of those being monitored have showed any signs or symptoms. and nina pham, another dallas nurse infected with ebola, is said to be in fair condition tonight at the nih hospital in maryland. her condition was downgraded yesterday. aleash i can't acuna begins our coverage in dallas. a carnival cruise ship we understand is carrying a dallas medical worker who is currentsly under self-quarantine. when is that ship expected back in texas? >> reporter: yes. the carnival magic is expected
very early tomorrow morning in galveston, texas. really the only port where it is welcome at this point. this after being denied entry into cozumel and belize. the ship cut its trip short and headed back to dock in texas. belize denied the request to allow the passenger on this ship to fly home from its airport. the man now in quarantine in this cabin since it was discovered he was a lab technician who handled some of duncan's samples. he is showing no signs of symptoms. and neither are a full host of other people who the county of dallas says has been calling in concerned they have either been exposed to ebola or may have contracted the virus. dallas county judge clay jenkins said out to reassure the community and the region that not only are they more prepared now should there be another diagnosis, but that when that 21-day quarantine that those close to duncan have been in expires tomorrow, the public is safe. >> for the 38 years that we've been looking at ebola and
tracking ebola and the world health organization and cdc are there for every outbreak, they've never had any case where someone showed symptoms later than 21 days. it's probably well later than -- well before 21 days, but that 21-day period is based on over 38 years, nobody started showing symptoms on the 22nd day. >> reporter: and julie, judge jenkins also pointed out that we're at a critical point this weekend in the time line of ebola, meaning that should we get no more diagnoses, no more cases this weekend, it's a pretty good sign. >> the area of ohio where amber vinson traveled is on alert tonight, i understand as well? >> reporter: yeah, that's right. that's because amber vinson flew to and from cleveland around the time that she was starting to experience symptoms and right before she was diagnosed with
ebola. so steps are being taken in northeast ohio to calm fears of spread. that means for the governor, meeting with local health department leaders, cdc officials and medical providers and that happened today. after that officials let the public know that first responders are getting training. schools where kids had contact with vinson or houston other flight were closed, some businesses doing the same. all of this authorities say is a lesson in the making. >> one of the things that's been very beneficial for us doing that is as we are bringing our personnel down, we're getting feedback from them as it relates to these protocols. one of the things that i think that we have consistently reminded everybody is that this is an ever evolving, ever changing scenario. so gathering that information from our personnel is allowing us then to update our protocols as it relates to their operational experiences with these protocols that we're implementing. because of that, we will continue to tweak those protocols as we go forward. >> reporter: julie, this has
prompted states all over the country to really take a hard look at their own plans of what they would do in the event of an outbreak and they are all making adjustments. >> alicia, thank you so much. family and friends gathering today to remember the only person here in the united states to die from ebola. the crowd filling a church in north carolina where the mother, sister and nephew of thomas eric duncan worship. the 42-year-old died at a dallas hospital back on october 8 after contracting the virus in liberia. he didn't show symptoms until after returning to the u.s. people who have had contact with duncan are still being monitored. screening for potential ebola cases expanding in europe. airline passengers arriving in paris from guinea all had their temperatures taken after getting off the plane. we are told everyone on that flight was fine and then allowed to enter france. guinea is one of the three west african nations hardest hit by
ebola. so far no confirmed cases have been reported in france. and in washington, fox news has spotted the new so-called ebola czar at the white house along with vice president joe biden and white house chief of staff dennis mcdonough. no word on if there was any sort of meeting scheduled. the new ebola dollar is ron klain, former chief of staff to joe biden and al gore. he's also an experienced attorney touted for his management skills. but some lawmakers are criticizing the president's choice. namely because of what mr. klain lacks, any type of medical background. so we want to hear from you. do you believe the u.s. needed a czar to handle the ebola response in the first place? what to you think of the president's pick? tweet me, we're going to try to read some of your answers later on in the program. the u.s. working closely with kurdish fighters to drive isis out of the syrian border town of kobani for good. increased air strikes appear to be working. the islamic militants reportedly
pulling out of the west side of that town and losing ground in the east. as the terror group suffers heavy casualties, the white house says isis fighters have been flooding into kobani, creating an opportunity to take them out in large numbers. this is an encouraging development. but military officials warn kobani could still fall. greg palkot has more from turkey near the syrian border. >> reporter: the latest word that we are getting is that there have been more air strikes against isis in the last 24 hours throughout the region. including strikes against the terrorists in the syrian border town of kobani where the fight goes on. what we are getting from our contacts on the ground is there have been street battles in the center of town between the terrorists and kurdish militia. that's where there have been claims that isis had been driven out. still sources tell us that 20% of the place is in the hands of isis. amid new word tonight, the terrorists could be readying yet another offensive.
as we watched all week, u.s. air strikes continued, one contact telling us that one targeted isis right where the two sides were fighting. it began a sign of a close coordination between the united states and some very brave kurdish fighters in that town. reports two of isis shells landing on the turkey side of the border and a turkish tank firing back. no confirmation where those shells hit. turkey has been very reluctant to get into this fight. the latest wave of u.s. air strikes also hit other locations inside syria as well as in iraq. a clearer sign that isis is threatening on several fronts. >> thank you so much. meanwhile, a somber day for family and friends of james foley. an american journalist beheaded by isis. ♪ >> mourners gathered for a memorial service in new hampshire on what would have
been his 41st birthday. james foley was killed in august nearly two years after he was kidnapped while covering the syrian war. his family remembering him as a beautiful person. >> i'll never make complete sense of why jim died, but i don't think that is for me to understand. but he did not die in vain. he reminded us simply that good does triumph over evil. >> and british aid worker remembered in his hometown in scotland. he was killed last month. isis also beheaded british aid worker alan henning and american journalist steven sotloff. right now supreme court decision that could impact the crucial midterm elections. the justices will allow texas to go ahead with their voter i.d. law that had been put on hold by a lower court. we're going to break down the decision and its potential impact. also possible sightings of a fugitive on the run for a month after police say he ambushed two state troopers.
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causing confusion just a few weeks before the mid terms. specifically in texas, their voter i.d. law received heavy criticism for its restrictions including the much mocked rule that made concealed hand gun licenses acceptable i.d., but not college i.d.s. while the supreme court said enforcement of the law could go ahead, justice ginsburg wrote a scathing saying the greatest threat to confidence in the election is the prospect of enforcing a purposely discriminatory law, one that likely imposes an unconstitutional poll tax and risk denying the right to vote to hundreds of thousands of eligible voters. republicans have long held the law isn't discriminatory against minorities. >> the irony is we've already had two elections where voter i.d. was the law of the land and there wasn't any change in minority turnout. >> reporter: texas isn't the only state involved in this year's fight. arkansas supreme court overturned that state's voter i.d. law. north carolina and ohio have also been in court over their
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cvs health. you want to cut through the noise of an overwhelming amount of analysis. [ all talking ] you want the insights that will help you decide which ideas to execute and which to leave behind. you want your trades executed in one second or less, guaranteed, and routed he i'm julie banderas. this is the fox report. the bottom of the hour, time for the top of the nurse. it appears the search for university of virginia student hannah graham may have come to a tragic end. about an hour ago, authorities in virginia held a news conference to report that a
sheriff search team has found human remains at an abandoned property. while the body has yet to be positively identified, investigators do say it could be that of the 18-year-old college sophomore. she vanished 35 days ago in charlottesville. police do have a suspect in custody, jesse matthew. he's being held without bond on charges of abduction. investigators say matthew is not cooperating. joining us now by phone, dr. baden, world renowned forensic pathologist and fox news contributor. dr. baden, thank you so much for talking to us. at this point the only charges that have been brought up against matthew are charges of abduction. i would imagine now that a body has discovereds, once it's positively i.d'd, those charges are likely to change? >> absolutely right. the police know this is hannah graham by this time. they know by the clothing. they know by dental identification which just takes a few minutes of comparing to
dental records, police would have automatically obtained from the family. the family dentist when she went missing. and but they don't want to release the definite until the medical examiner tomorrow morning says it's definite. they're doing a serial rapist. probable serial murderer. and at this time they're trying to get more information and finding the dead body gives them probable cause to change it from abduction to murder. >> you mentioned the serial rapist, possible serial murderer here. police have confirmed that matthew was also linked by forensic evidence to the morgan harrington case. she was a 20-year-old student at virginia tech. she went missing in 2009 after leaving a concert. her remains were found on a farm
three months later. no arrests were ever made in that case. that could change as well. >> yes. they had evidence, remember, when he skipped out and ran away, they developed evidence after going through his residence, of the car that he had been driving that connected him to other dead body and they didn't say what that evidence was. one of the things they have to look for is serial murderers often take trophies and keep them in their rooms or in their car and how the police have a lot more evidence that they will be able to release once a charge of murder comes up against mr. matthew. >> it's no coincidence that graham was last seen with matthew in downtown charlottesville on september 13. now the idea behind her remains
allegedly being found is the evidence and the physical evidence around her remains. at this point what are investigators going to be looking for? she was buried in a shallow grave. investigators have contacted hannah graham's parents. obviously they know it's her. they want to link her death to matthew. >> yeah. part of it is that if it turns out from all their investigations that she was last seen with matthew, that she was last seen with matthew and was not seen after it, and that she was wearing the same clothing that she's been identified by dental records, i think, one of the things i'd be concerned about is the initial police investigation of that area. supposedly there was an investigation in the area in which she was found and what
often comes up, these investigations, these searches for bodies are so difficult and so many places to look that it's easy to overlook somebody if they're in a small area and she's been partially buried. but i would suspect that she's been in that one spot since she went missing. >> what about dna on her body and her decomposed remains? does that make it difficult to tie her death to matthew? >> given 35 days or so, there should be no problem identifying her by her dna and that she was sexually assaulted in which there was saliva or semen deposited on the body, that that dna most probably will still be good. they'd be able to convict her by finding his dna on her in a sexual thing. not just by holding hands because that theoretically could be potential.
>> of course. always great to have your expertise, thank you so much. >> thank you. in an update on our other top story, health officials in ohio are monitoring more than 100 people who once had contact with dallas nurse amber vinson. many of them, passengers with her on a frontier airlines flight, from dallas to cleveland. so far none of those being monitored are showing any symptoms of ebola. a cruise ship carrying a dallas medical worker under self-quarantine expected to return to galveston, texas tomorrow after being denied permission to dock in mexico. the passenger handled ebola samples before leaving on the cruise, but so far showing no symptoms of the virus. all this as we await news from the centers for disease control in atlanta today. the agent expected to release and they said they would today -- new guidelines for how medical personnel will operate around the deadly disease. alicia acunia joins us now.
what should we expect from the cdc? >> reporter: this all revolves around the personal protective equipment. basically what the healthcare workers will wear when dealing with a patient who has ebola because what the cdc heard from health care workers was that there was some confusion over exactly what to wear, how to wear it and more importantly, how to remove it because as do you know, we heard from dr. frieden, the head of the cdc, that can be the most dangerous point for transmission in terms of what health care workers are exposed to when dealing with an ebola patient because they can touch secretions and it can get onto the outer layers of whatever they're wearing and then they can touch that. what they were finding is that healthcare workers were feeling more protected when they put three pairs of gloves on and put tape on and thought they were more protected, when that wasn't the case. what they're going to do is clarify and solidify these guidelines so that there is a broad base for everyone to go from, so every health care worker they're hoping in the
united states knows exactly what to do, how to put on this equipment, what to do and they might change some of the equipment so that it's very clear. so there is no confusion like what they saw here, the nurses here at texas presbyterian. >> as we await the cdc announcing these new guidelines as they have said they would today, we don't know the time frame at this point, what else is the dallas area in particular doing to prepare for more possible cases? >> reporter: they're doing quite a bit. when we heard from the judge here earlier, he explained that what they're also doing is trying to expand the pressure base essentially so that there are more people who can kind of pick up the pressure. so they have 50 medical experts who are going to be ready to go as go teams to go to any isolation unit in the region. they also have the university of texas medical branch in galveston that is ramping up to handle any medical waste because there is a tremendous amount of medical waste that comes when you're dealing with an ebola patient. so they're preparing in that
regard as well. they're also trying to just make sure that folks in the area know that they're going to be okay. that's really important for them because they're screening a lot of calls. as you know, we've been covering this since this all started. a lot of false alarms going off because people understandably are very concerned. so there is a lot of education going out in the community as well. >> the family of the only person in america to die from ebola now hours from being given the all clear after they were going to be -- or have been in quarantine, tell us about the family. >> reporter: sure. louise thoh, she has three sons. they've been in isolation in a secret place all of this time. at midnight tomorrow night going into monday, they will be released from that quarantine. they've been in quarantine for 21 days. and from what we're hearing from medical experts, the public really doesn't need to worry about their safety at this point. they have not shown any signs of
symptoms and as we get to the end of this weekend, it really is a critical time really for this whole area. because if we see no new areas, that's good sign for the dallas area that we haven't seen new cases. for this family in particular, it will be time for them to get back into their life. they will not return to the participate where they lived. they were planning on leaving anyway and dallas county has said they want to make this as easy a transition because this has been incredibly difficult on this family. >> all right. it sure has. thank you so much. the search now for a suspected cop killer is expanding after a woman reported seeing eric frien near the pennsylvania high school where he once attended classes. it's been more than five weeks since he allegedly ambushed state troopers, killing one and injuring another. investigators say they will not rest until frien is found. bryan llenas has more. it's shocking that it's been so long they've been searching for this guy. nigh sightings at all? >> reporter: we're talking about that sighting last night.
the woman was walking along the side of a road near the woods when she says she saw a man who police say was frien 15 to 20 feet away from her. >> individual description was consistent with frien and he was observed carrying a rifle. the individual's face was covered with mud and so a positive identification could not be made. >> reporter: the sighting happened in swift water, pennsylvania. just a few miles away from what happened this afternoon where staffers at the mount airy casino tell fox search teams were searching near the second hole of the golf course today after another possible sighting. that's two in 24 hours. meanwhile, blood has been found on two enclosed back porches. police are testing it to see if it's frien's. meantime, behavioral scientists are trying to figure out his next move. they say he could strike again if he gets a chance. remember, frien is described as a self-taught survivalist and expert rivalman and war reenactor with a grudge against
law enforcement. >> i understand the police are saying weather could hurt their finding him? >> it could actually help them because the search cost several million dollars. f.b.i. and atf searching the woods with the help of technology like thermal imagery. now police are confident that the changing weather will make it easier to spot him. >> the worst the weather is for him, the better it is for us. we believe that as the leaves go off trees, technology kicks in quite a bit more. aircraft become much more effective. >> reporter: so far police have found an ak 47 pipe bombs with trip wires and abandoned camp site and handwritten notes describing the night he allegedly shot two pennsylvania troopers, killing brian dixon and wound be douglas. douglas was released from the hospital on thursday. >> we are expecting chillier temperatures. possibly that could help them. thank you very much. kurdish militia getting help if their fight against isis from
a seemingly unexpected place. members of dutch biker group arriving in northern iraq to help them, quote, exterminate the rodents. some of the bikers even have military training and experience in battle. the group says they had to get involved. >> the kurds have been oppress prestoned for a long time and when they're being killed, you can't stay at home sitting on your couch. >> one dutchman vows to stay in iraq until isis has been pushed out of the country's kurdish territory. dare devils hitting a snag. why so many of these expert base jumpers ended up in the trees. a structure destroyed in the 9-11 terrorist attack will stand tall once again. a church in lower manhattan rebuilding more than 13 years later. ♪ ♪ i'm over the hill.
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more than 400 base jumpers celebrating the 35th anniversary of new river gorge bridge day in west virginia. it is billed as the largest extreme sports event in the world and the only day of the year when dare devils can legally jump from that bridge. why would they want to do that? but it wasn't smooth sailing for everybody. some base jumpers having a bit of trouble landing as gusty winds pushed them into trees. at least one jumper was actually hurt and rushed to the hospital. no word on the extent of those injuries. a car crashes into a hotel room with two guests inside. our top story as we go across america. wisconsin. the driver may have fallen asleep, veering off the road and right into this hotel in kenosha.
about 40 miles south of milwaukee. the car coming to a stop in the hallway. the guests in that room were not hurt and the driver also escaped injury. the fire chief says everyone here was, quote, very lucky. >> you can imagine a hotel room and the width of a car. there wasn't a lot of room for that car to miss the people inside. >> crews are assessing the damage. guests staying near the crash site, including a wedding party, were moved to other rooms. north carolina. a man tasting freedom for the first time in more than 30 years after being falsely accused of murder. >> glad's over with. >> willie was convicted in 1976. he recently told the state panel that investigates claims of innocence that police beat him and forced him to sign a fake confession. his convicted accomplice admits he shot and killed the victim with another man who has since
died. texas. a boy with a rare disease getting a chance at a more normal life. he was born with a hand that never fully developed. but he now has a new functioning hand that was created with a 3d printer. he says his classmates think it's pretty cool. >> i thought they would be, like, not happy, but instead, they're like happy. >> his mother says he's now more confident and outgoing. that's a fox watch across america. 13 years after the 9-11 terrorist attacks, new york city is still working to restore what was lost on that day. today greek religious leaders took another step in that direction, gathering in lower manhattan to bless the former site of saint nick class greek orthodox church. this national shrine will soon reemerge as a new symbol of hope and peace for people of all faiths. lauren green has the story.
>> reporter: on september 11, 2001, when the world watched the twin towers fall, little knew the small greek orthodox church that stood in the shadows was obliterated that day, erasing over 100 years of history. >> the church was destroyed, which somehow assured that this act of terrorism did not only take human lives, of innocent people of all faiths and origin, but took the only religious building existing there. >> reporter: 13 years later, the church is set to rise again. a ground blessing ceremony this weekend will christen it as a national shrine. >> it will remain as that place in the midst of everything that place of silence, that place of peace. >> reporter: overlooking the 9-11 memorial, the new church is just a short distance from its original site. while traditional greek orthodox services will be held, it will be more than a place of worship. >> the mission of the church is
now to be open for all people, regardless of religious or nonreligious thoughts or beliefs to come to this place, to light a candle, to go upstairs to the bereavement center, to sit and reflect and think and process that which is only hundreds of feet away, to process what actually happened here. >> reporter: the structuralled dome is characteristic of greek orthodox tradition dating back to the byzantine era and reminiscents of the historical sophia in turkey. the architect beat out 12 other top architects select to do submit design proposals. the project will cost roughly $38 million to complete. 7 million has already been raised with the help from donations from around the world. >> this is a cost. this is something that highs back to each and every one of us who remember where we were on that day. and want to be part of it. >> reporter: the new saint nicholas is expected to open by 2016, which marks the church's 100th anniversary. in new york, lauren green, fox
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enough. they arrest a man who claimed he was beaten up by the cops. >> and so the officer acted inappropriately and demeanor or unlawful search and use of force. we have the ability to playback the entire incident that unfolded in the officer's eyes. >> reporter: he's had a dash cam and two-thirds of the interactions were happening outside of the camera. and now with body camera, there is little debate about what the officer says and does and the suspect is doing. they require the officer to wear a body camera and required to turn it on every time they
interact. it captures foot chases and traffic stops. critics raised concerns about privacy and protecting the material from hackers. the system is well protected and cost more than 60 grand to protect the department they are saving on courthouse and lawsuits. >> are you used to it at this point? >> it is just another piece of equipment. that could have shed immediate light in ferguson, missouri on the shooting of michael brown. police now wear cameras there. several law enfor are testing and using the cameras coast to coast. >> at the top of the hour, we asked you about the president naming an ebola czar. do you think we need one and is the president's pick qualified?
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>> earlier we asked you if the u.s. needed a czar for the ebola respops. what did you think of the pick. a lot of you had a lot to say. dg said no cvc and would have sufficed and greg writes, wouldn't it be smarter to appoint someone from the medical field? dr. garm. no czar needed just a competent surgeon general. and peggy writes me. calling machine an ebola czar makes people think he is an expert on the ebola virus. bad call and that's how fox report saturday october 18th, i am julie bandaras thanks for
good morning, it is friday, august 1st. oh, look at that. >> oh, dear lord, where did july goes? >> time flies when you're having so much fun. welcome to "morning joe," everybody. >> time goes a lot faster. boom! >> with us on set, we have pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor of "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst, eugene robinson. pulitzer prize winning author jon meacham is here. >> we have so many pulitzer's here. >> won the masters in '86. wasn't it odd three or odd four? >> we have breaking news so if we can just move forward here. >> right, willie? >> in washington, senior political editor and white house correspondent for the "huffington post" sam stein. >> never won a pulitzer.
>> he has so many years ahead of him, though. >> what did we win our pulitzer for, willie? >> it was fan fiction we wrote. >> yes! that is it! >> i think it was a how to. >> that was it. did you forget what year it was? >> it was odd three. >> i can't remember what summer it was. >> they run together. >> can we go to the breaking news now? >> i'm confused. >> read "the new york times" website. >> it is still saying this morning at 6:01 that a cease-fire in gaza conflict takes effect and, yet, breaking news came over the wires a couple of hours ago that i read industri industiously and typing away. they don't give up a lot of resources in "morning joe." then cease-fire is broken. >> the associated press is using the word unraveled. >> cease-fire continues. >> it describes a lot of heavy
firing back and forth. >> it is a scene we could tape where willie is smoking and reading the ticker. >> unbelievable. both sides are accusing the other of violating the truce. palestinians claim at least four people were killed in heavy clashes. prime minister netanyahu, his office says terror groups blatantly broke the cease-fire. follows another day of fierce fighting. pen members of a palestinian family were among 17 people killed thursday in israeli air strikes. five israeli soldiers were also killed in a bombing and officials say militants fired nearly a dozen rockets into israeli an hour before the cease-fire with went into effect. this is really not a cease-fire. this is as close as you're going to get, i guess. we have live coverage from gaza and israeli now following the breaking developments. joining us from tel aviv, nbc news correspondent martin fletcher with the latest. >> it looked good about an hour, mika, then, unfortunately,
things started to unravel. you used the word unravel but very heavy fighting. the early news that four palestinians have been killed by shell fire from an israeli tank. the health minister is now saying 47 palestinians have been killed this morning since the cease-fire went into effect. so we don't yet know why the fighting break out. the original israeli report that palestinian gunmen emerged from a tunnel in the south and attacked israeli soldiers where upon the israelis began to respond, so israeli is blaming hamas and hamas is blaming israeli so this is just happening now. we need to be careful about how we say who started it and who is fault it is. the bottom line is that this cease-fire, which everybody was -- in which everybody placed so much hope 72-hour humanitarian cease-fire joining the two sides would meet in cairo and hopefully negotiate a way to end the hostile its, is pretty much over by now.
i really hate to say it but it seems that way. a report that the israeli officials have told the united nations directly the cease-fire is over, but we haven't yet heard that officially but the death toll is mounting and the fighting is heavy. mika? >> martin, it's willie geist. how could anyone going forward believe in or trust any cease-fire that comes about? and everyone we have talked to and everyone you spoke to said the only way for the two to take a break and sit down and talk talk and come to some kind of agreement. what is the way forward? no trust for the two sides and never has been frankly. how does this get resolved? >> reporter: how does it get resolved? >> simple question, right? >> reporter: i wish i knew. >> come on, buddy! >> reporter: but always it is the question. i suppose at this moment only one way which is, first of all, this is the fifth cease-fire but it was the first one in which both israeli and hamas had
together agreed in doing it. and it was, the heavy support of president obama and the united nations. this looked as if this was the one and unraveled in almost immediate. you know what? basically, until each side realizes the limit of its own force and the other -- understands the problems of the other side and accepts them and wants to deal with them, there is really no end to this. eventually there is going to be an end to this round of fighting. it will happen one way or another through a truce and maybe israeli say we destroyed the tunnels that was our main goal and withdrawal unilaterally and probably the way it will end but the third round of fighting within five years. >> martin fletcher, thank you. >> now let's go to nbc news correspondent ayman mohyeldin. set the stage after the tragic hours after a cease-fire was announced. >> reporter: i think the right
word to describe it is an implosion of a cease-fire. i can tell you what a difference a few hours makes. we woke up this morning it was very quiet along the beach here in gaza. we started seeing, within an hour of the cease-fire, dozens of families, children, and even gaza's fishermen setting sail to go out for the early morning catch. within an hour after that as reports coming in from the fire taking place and the sounds of shelling we heard and fighter jets and rockets launched into israeli word spread quickly along the beach that this cease-fire had collapsed and you could see in a matter of minutes people were off the coast and fishermen heading back into the way. let me bring you up-to-speed what we are hearing on the ground here. we have confirmation from the hamas delegation that is supposed to be heading to egypt and egypt shaun officials saying they can't travel into egypt and meaning no talks taking place as scheduled today and comes from one hamas official scheduled to be part of that delegation participating in the cease-fire talks. we are getting some snishl
casualty reports from palestinian health officials here on the ground who are saying as a result of that ongoing fighting taking place that at least 27 palestinians have been killed. that is just in the early hours of this morning since that cease-fire was supposed to happen. there are still a lot of questions as to how the actual cease-fire broke down, but no doubt that palestinians are blaming an initial attack by the israeli military in the positions that they had in the southern part of the gaza strip. again, that is the palestinian side that is coming out of hamas official and health officials here. it's very difficult to confirm the exact sequence of events but you can imagine that there is going to be a lot of trading accusations how this broke down in the coming hours. joe? >> and i wanted to ask you about what you're hearing on the ground. obviously, you're right there in the middle of it. you have been during the entire crisis. and the united states, we are trying to figure out how blame is being assigned. obviously, obviously, a lot of anger at israeli in gaza, but
what is the attitude toward hamas? what are you picking up about this was obviously a faction growing increasingly unpopular in that area. is any blame being assigned to hamas or is this actually just reinvigorating them as a political force in gaza? >> joe, when we talk about hamas as a political organization there is the distinction made between them as the ruling political institution here in gaza and then ultimately as a palestinian resistance movement and, more specifically, its military wing. i can tell you that palestinian resistance, the military wing as it's seen here is very highly revered. people do not criticize the resistance fighters as they see them on the ground and those are the people that are engaged in the fight so to speak against the israeli soldiers and behind some of these attacks that we're seeing. when it comes to hamas as a
political organization, there is a long list of criticism against it as an organization. here inside gaza, over how it has conducted so many of the domestic decisions, the political infighting with other palestinian factions. some of the severe measures it has taken and imposed on people here, but that is not the opinion of palestinians when they are talking about it in the middle of a war. when you go out and you hear palestinians talk about it, when you see the news reports that are coming out that the military wing of hamas has carried out an attack, it is widely celebrated here and seen as a symbol of defiance that its fighters are capable of carrying out an attack on one of the world's most popular military despite the fact they are under siege and going up against a well-funded modern army. that is how the reality is here on the ground. it doesn't mean that hamas is above criticism among palestinians but whether it comes to theish of fighting they are perceived differently particularly its military wing, which is the most powerful in terms of the ongoing fighting here. >> ayman, gene robinson is here with "the washington post" and so he doesn't have to tell you,
but i will. he has won a pulitzer prize. go ahead, gene. >> ayman, first of all, take care of yourself over there. second, so hamas -- >> thank you. >> -- at least the political wing could not have been happy about a negotiation a next meeting set up in cairo, they are enemies of the current egyptian government. do they or do you see a route through much hamas could even negotiate a real cease-fire? >> reporter: well, that is a really good question and probably one of the hardest questions to answer for two reasons. one, hamas itself is having a little bit of internal divisions. you know, you have the exile comril leadership of hamas and engaged in direct negotiations with qatar and turkey on their behalf but, at the same time, a little bit of resentment
internally here that some of the hamas leadership don't want them making decisions on behalf of the people that they are not directly in tune with. now that is not necessarily lost on the decision makers aboeed but nonetheless that has been one of the difficult issues. but as you mentioned, there is a little bit of hostility now between hamas and the egyptian government, they simply don't trust them. it used to be a three-party negotiation. it used to be hamas and egypt and israeli. now it's become a six-party negotiation now that the united states is involved, turkey is involved and qatar is involved, so you is imagine how complicated the talks are taking as they bounce around the six different parties. >> jon meacham is here. he won a pulitzer too. go ahead, jon. >> ayman, an impression in the united states right now there is sort of two levels of combat going on. one is the israeli attempt to plug these tunnels and the other, the rockets and the tanks. can you describe what the combat
feels like? is that a correct impression that you have something going on above ground and below ground? >> reporter: absolutely. when this conflict started, israeli, it launched its air campaign to stop the stated objective was to stop palestinian rocket fire. there is no doubt that as the ground operation began and israeli began to suffer some serious casualties in the first week of the fighting, it emerged that perhaps the bigger threat, other than the rockets to the israeli civilian population, was this underground system of tunnels that hamas has been building for years now. i don't think anyone had a good comprehensive sense how complex the tunnels were and deep they ran into israeli and the positions it exposed within the israeli military establishment, particularly that along the gaza border. that is why we are seeing a spike in israeli casualties like we have never seen before in conflicts. i've covered two separate conflicts and this by far has the highest casualty toll for
the idf and more than the previous two combined. that is a game-changer with respect to the palestinian fighters here and why we are seeing israeli is reluctant to withdrawal until it completes the job of destroying these tunnels. i've spoken to palestinians who have actually been involved with these tunnels how they are built and they have a good understanding of them. unless israeli is willing to follow the entire length of the tunnel into gaza, they can block it, they can destroy it on their end, but they are saying within a couple of months, these tunnels can be reopened. we have seen that hamas and other palestinians factions have been digging dunels acro inging border with egypt for years and they have not successfully been able to stop the tunnels across the southern border and unless there is a political solution, these tunnels will be a massive security headache for israeli for many, many years to come. >> nbc's ayman mohyeldin, thank
you very much. >> thank you, ayman. one day before the first plane struck the world trade center on 9/11, former president bill clinton was in australia speaking about the terror leader who was just hours from changing the course of history. listen to this. >> i'm just saying, you know, osama bin laden is a very smart guy. i spent a lot of time thinking about him and i nearly got him once. i nearly got him. and i could of killed him, but i would have had to destroy a little town called kandahar in afghanistan and kill hundre 300 innocent women and children and then i would have been no better than him, and so i didn't do it. >> jon meacham, that is absolutely stung. it's stunning. what is so stunning to me is that it's taken 13 years to unearth that cape? >> how did we not know that? >> this is unbelievable! this is like a history changer.
we had this debate back in, like, 2002 and 2003 and 2004 about could he have stopped him, could he not? now we -- i mean, you're -- >> no. i mean, i think we kind of knew the basic scenario that there was a shot that could have been taken at him and the decision was not to take the shot because of, you know, collateral damage that would of taken place. i think we knew that, but we didn't know it from the mouth -- >> republicans were claiming that and then there were all of these heated arguments. no, we never really had a shot at him. no. there is big push back on that. >> there was a lot of wag of the dog talk because it was during impeachment so there were charges that clinton was trying to use foreign policy to distract the country at the
time. >> we had no problem doing that at the time. >> well, just saying. >> the day of impeachment, he fires missiles into iraq. >> i think it's totally fascinating. the other great clip put together if you're studying this is when, i think it was chris wallace asks clinton at the clinton global initiative a couple of years ago about it and very harshly, and clinton, i think, starts tapping him on the leg and says, you made your bones for fox news now, but here is the real truth. the other thing i think it does, it does show that this was not a subject that was a bolt from the blue. >> right. >> in the national security community in the turn of the century. >> yeah. it's just amazing. fascinating. >> it is. >> fascinating it took so long to find that audiotape. i woned hder how we unearthed t. was that you, willie? >> it was an australian who was there and holding on to the
tape. a palestinian from australian had it and was holding on to the tape that long. >> august 1, '14. >> he put it in a sock drawer and forgot it. unbelievable. >> we had a lot of going on capitol hill last night. things happened. before we go to break, it took one session on wall street to wipe out all of the gains from the entire previous month. did you see this? the dow sunk 317 points. its worse day since back in february. traders don't like what we are seeing from corporate earnings and underlying concerns about the fed's plan to end some stimulus programs. we will follow that. >> it's still at like 17 zillion. there is still a massive divide between wall street and main street. >> you wonder why people were confused. weren't the headlines 48 hours
ago we are growing faster and then the market crashes. >> what is going on? >> income and inequality goes up and the market goes down. ahead, crippling conditions in california. we will tell you about it. baltimore ravens running back ray rice speaks out about his, quote, inexcusable actions against his fiancee. then a fight to save one of nashville's legendary landmarks. willie has that story in our 7:00 hour. later, what it's like to play one of the most influential performers of the past century and he is actually done this kind of thing before. chadwick bosman who almost literally becomes james brown on a movie. >> he is an incredible young actor. willie, you reported on this, talked to mick jagger about it. >> i went down to the set and
watched him transform. he is incredible. these movies hang on the performance whether or not you can believe this guy like jamie foxx in "ray." chad bossman is so good, people will be blown away. >> we have to make this announcement and i want to apologize to all of our viewers. sometimes we invite somebody that comes on and they just take over. it's my job to keep them in line. i failed. i want to apologize to all of you for failing. i promise you, next block, sam stein will not talk as much, all right? >> you won't shut up. >> you won't shut up, sam! come on. he has that beautiful blue backdrop there. sam is looking at it. >> that's enough, sam. >> the guy just hogs it. we are going to get sam and kasie hunt talking about the immigration debacle on capitol hill last night. >> bill karins with a check on the forecast.
>> i'm sorry to say it but looks like we will end the amazing beautiful weekends on the east coast and one of the first rainy weekends we have had the entire summer so i know it's hard to complain but if you have beach plans or plans outdoors, let me get to the specifics. already watching heavy rain from north carolina upstate to south carolina and a ton of rain off the coast of south carolina. that is all going to move up the coast during the day today. let me time it for you. 2:00 p.m. today, the color in green means light rain. the heavier rain in the red so at 2:00 p.m. scattered storms throughout the northeast. you wake up saturday morning it's really from i-95 to the coast. we could be talking heavy rain from areas of the delmarva to new york city and long island up to connecticut. then as we go through saturday afternoon, more heavy rain continues. then sunday morning, you wake up and still areas of heavy rain. southern new england all the way back through northern portions of new jersey to pennsylvania. i think you get the picture. it looks to be very cloudy and
if it's not raining, at least appreciate it. the middle of the nation you're looking fantastic. no problems on much of the west coast either. for the most part, it's just going to be the eastern seaboard. we are going to keep the rain and the storms lingering on and off right through your upcoming weekend. the grass definitely needs it in many areas, but, obviously, your weekend plans do not. the rest of the nation, as i mentioned even into sunday, looks excellent. we also do have a tropical storm out there and looks to be a no impact whatsoever to the east coast. close call but it should make that turn out to sea. tropical storm, though, for puerto rico on saturday. you're watching "morning joe." new york city, enjoy the dry weather while it lasts. we will be right back. ♪ you read the labels on the foods you eat - but do you know what's in your skincare? neutrogena naturals. a line of nutrient-rich skincare with pure,
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back to the board this morning after failing to bring their immigration bill to a vote. they have to call back members to washington after already had gone on recess. did that happen to you, joe? >> no, we kept people intact. we shut the place down. >> there was that. congre the house security bill seemingly for passage. john boehner took them to task. >> instead of addressing the crisis at hand, senate democrats are talking up some not so scheme to jam through the senate immigration bill even though they know it will never happen. doing something is better than doing nothing. the crisis on the border is going to continue until the president acts but he is clearly not going to act. that means the congress has to
act. so i believe it's important for us to act and i am hopeful that we will. >> boy, talk about getting cut out at your knees. the leadership was forced to pull their border security bill at the last minute as support evaporated after ted cruz had a meeting in his senate office with a lot of house republicans. take a look. >> nobody in that room believes that this bill that passed would make it into law. so what is the point of having a piece of shell legislation? >> we will get the vote. >> how? >> we will get the vote. >> what changes tomorrow that wasn't there today? >> i hope some people grow up. i think this is a good bill. if others don't, that's okay, but we were sent here to vote and not to die and the bottom line for me is if we don't act, the president will. >> so when asked why the bill died, congressman peter king
bluntly said because of ted cruz. >> those two don't like each other, by the way. they are old pals way back. >> a good picture. >> by the way, those are pictures. we got to get better pictures. come on, guys! come on! look at both of those guys! get a better picture than that. come on, t.j.! by the way, send your complaints to t.j. >> reportedly huddled with some house members praised them for not passing the bill but denied being responsible. meanwhile, texas governor rick perry blasted the house's inaction saying, quote, it's beyond belief that congress is abandoning its post while our border crisis continues to create humanitarian suffering and -- >> that's a good photo. also, yesterday, the senate blocked an emergency border funding bill in their chamber backed by democrats. harry reid decided he was going to bring back the entire
immigration reform bill from last year to make sure that it died in the senate so republicans couldn't get credit for anything. sam stein, an absolute mess up there on capitol hill on both sides. yes, it's not false equivalency. harry reid made sure he would kill the bill when it got to the senate and republicans said why pass a bill if he is going to kill it any way? >> yeah. go back three weeks ago when this was a huge humanitarian crisis where the president needed to see it with his own eyes and gl down to the border because of the severity of the crisis and action was needed asap. now neither chamber will pass the bill and maybe the house will do something but either way it's not put into law and a huge indictment in the sad state of our political system and even self-proclaimed crises can go unsolved. i will add this because i think it's worth adding.
yesterday or i guess two days ago now, the house of representatives sued the president or voted to sue the president for taking executive actions. john boehner's statement yesterday after the vote ordered the president to take more executive actions. there is a disconnect there, obviously, that should be noted, i think. >> yes. you noted it, i think. >> i did. pretty well, too, right? >> disconnect is a nice word. >> i think it was a good disconnect. >> joining us now from capitol hill, nbc news political reporter kasie hunt. let's see. trick question. is there any hope? >> in general? >> all hope is lost! >> depends on what you're hoping for, i suppose. >> any messages? >> it's not clear they can do anything this morning. it's absolutely not clear. the moderates in john boehner's conference with absolutely livid on this and some cornered him on the floor from pennsylvania and colorado saying, i can't go home and look my constituents in the
eye and say we have a humanitarian crisis on our border and i did absolutely nothing about it. it's just not a tenable position for any of them. as you were discussing, senator ted cruz had a serious impact here with the meeting he had the night before this all happened. they had the votes. everyone was expecting this bill to go forward, no problem. and then, all of a sudden, we wake up the next day and nothing is actually happening. i will also say that democrats didn't exactly help speaker boehner here and that was pretty intentional. senate majority leader harry reid talked about raising this bill with a comprehensive legislation and that set off fear among conservatives on the house side and that plays into their hands. democrats will say, publicly, we want to pass a bill. politically, this outcome is just fine. >> can i make one point quickly? sorry. >> gosh, you just are taking over the show!
>> we had a great contrast actually yesterday with the v.a. reform legislation. the v.a. reform legislation actually made it through congress and will be signed by the president. in that case, republicans and democrats actually sought each other out. they said, okay we don't like this but willing to live with it and like that and can you include that and they put together an actual compromise. with the border legislation, i don't think john boehner and nancy pelosi spoke once. i'm not sure john boehner spoke with harry reid so you have a very telling contrast. congress can get its act together if they want to but in this case i don't think they ever wanted to. >> on the v.a. bill it was almost unianimous in the house and the senate. it was remarkable for them to see something like that. let's go back to ted cruz for a minute. remarkable a relatively new senator can effectively single handedly if you believe the reports on the record we are getting from republican house members, squash this immigration reform legislation.
how does that work in the halls of congress? >> john boehner's favorite person right now, senator ted cruz. i mean, i do think there were a few more dynamics. jeff sessions of alabama played a considerable role in considering some of the colleagues to vote against this. what senator cruz did is raise the spectra what we refer to is doca a program that president obama put into place that basically allows the children to not be deported from the united states. and he basically inserted that as an issue into this debate. it's why we saw them set up this vote where they were going to vote on the border bill and hold a vote to basically strip the president of that power. cruz sort of convinced this block of conservatives that wasn't good enough, that removing that power from president obama needed to be in the bill itself. and that is a huge problem for republicans who there is a member of the house who represents a district right outside denver and it sort of reflects the nation as a whole. they heavily hispanic.
putting that into the bill made it untenable for a lot of those moderates to vote for it. if it weren't for senator cruz, that portion of the debate would have been a lot quieter. >> nbc kasie hunt, thank you so much. coming up, ray rice speaks out for the first time since his suspension. >> that night, you know, i just replay over and over in my head. you know, that's not me. my actions were inexcusable. >> much more from the ravens star running back next in sports. ♪ vo: this is the summer. the summer of this. the summer that summers from here on will be compared to. where memories will be forged into the sand. and then hung on a wall for years to come. get out there, with over 50,000 hotels at $150 dollars or less.
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ray, what did happen that night? we have all seen the video. >> i just -- i'll be honest. like i said i own my actions and i just don't want to keep, you know, reliving the incident. the incident itself, i'm trying to move forward and every time i have to keep reliving it, it's not -- you know, it doesn't bring -- bring any good to me, so what happened that night was a huge mistake on my behalf and that is what i'll keep it at. >> baltimore running back ray rice yesterday addressing the public after receiving two-game suspension from the nfl no for allegedly knocking his wife unconscious in a casino back in february in las vegas. >> my actions that night were
totally inexcusable. i'll just put this away. that night i replay over and over in my head. that's not me. my actions are inexcusable. and it's something i have to live for -- have to live with the rest of my life. i let so many people down because of 30 second of my life that i know i can't take back. last time, i didn't publicly apologize to my wife and, you know, i realize that hit home with a lot of people. but there is many nights that me and my wife sleep together and we still have to deal with this, and her pain is my pain and my pain is her pain. but one thing that i wanted to do today was, you know, apologize to my wife. >> rice, who still participating in the nfl preseason will miss the ravens first two regular season games. he'll return from baltimore hosts the redskins on august 23rd. staying with the nfl. houston texans running back with a much different kind of press conference.
arian foster doesn't seem to have the warmest relationship with the media down there in houston, but he wants to be a great teammate. keep that in mind. he just returned to training camp this week from an unknown injury. and he gave the same answer to different questions over and over again. >> physically, you're good to go? >> yeah, man, just trying be the best teammate i can be, man. >> can you tell us what exactly kept you out? what is going on? >> yeah, man i'm just trying to be the best teammate i can be, you know? working hard at doing that. >> what was physically wrong? >> yeah, i'm just out here, man, just working hard every single day trying to be the best teammate i can be. >> what does it mean to get back how ear and start working? >> being the best teammate you can be is what you strive to do and what i'm out here trying to do. >> your teammates talk about how they want to see you out here and know what you mean. what does this stuff mean to you, arian? >> when you're the best team malt you can be and work hard at that every sim day and what
we're out here trying to do. >> your body starting to break down? >> i'm just trying to be the best teammate i can be and working hard doing that. >> your progress at being a better teammate? >> yeah, every single day just trying to be a better teammate. >> that was only a portion of his answers and he repeated that line 11 times and don't want to bore you to death. >> stated another way, what he is trying to do? >> i think what he is getting at, he wants to be the best teammate he can. >> stop! what in the world? >> he is working very hard at that. major moves during baseball's trade deadline yesterday. the oakland a's all in now to win the world series this year and trading for jon lester and outfielder jonny gomes when the red sox dumped john lackey who was scooped but by the st. louis cardinals. 12 and a half games back in the a.l. east boston throwing in the towel but look who they got.
c cespedes. they sent over money for stephen drew. the tigers and rays and mariners, detroit acquired cy young award winning pitcher and vanderbilt university legend david price and immediately after the deal a nice moment in detroit. austin jackson find out he is traded to the mariners mid game and pulled out during the seventh inning. >> what? >> gets a standing ovation from the crowd. and hugs all over the place in the dugout as he packs his bags and leaves detroit in the trade. now for highlights. manny machado showing off his arm with a great play on wednesday. last night, he was at it again. >> down to third. oh, boy. here we go. manny machado. gotcha! >> oh, my god. from there, machado putting his arm strength on display. he took about five steps and
still got the lumbering runner, ability pujols. pujols got his revenge in the 13th a single and gave the angels the win. a solo shot in the stands to left and l.a. 2-0 lead. puig gets back to the dugout, the dodgers bust out the bubble machine to celebrate. clayton kershaw pitched an the game. >> a new report breaks down the most unhealthy meals in america. one restaurant fares worse than the rest. mika, get ready for this one. we will be right back. ♪ won't you lay me down in the tall grass and let me do my stuff ♪ ♪ i know got nothing on you (vo) get ready!
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it's time to take a look at the morning papers. from our parade of papers, the san diego union tribune. after 26 years, southwest airlines and seaworld will end their marketing partnership. since 1988, the company has offered promotional opportunities for passengers and theme park guests. southwest faced pressure from animal rights groups to end the agreement amid fallout from the film "blackfish" which drew negative attention to the park's alleged mistreatment of ownrcas. sea world says it was a mutual decision. a federal report says assess of july 58% of california is experiencing the most severe levels of drought on the scale. the news come as wildfires burn in areas across the state. the fire in yosemite national park is in its sixth day firefighters are trying to
prevent the fire from blazing sequoia trees. >> joe needs to change his luncheon dinner rituals. "usa today" a new report from the center for science in the public interests outlines the most unhealthy meals at american chain restaurants. cheesecake factory. >> you guessed it, gene robinson! >> a restaurant called cheesecake factory. >> can i just say? i have a deal. i had a meal at cheesecake factory. >> you walk around and shop and eat. >> in 2004 in san francisco, i am still full. i never went back. >> that's right. >> huge! >> massive. >> let me show you how big. taking three of the top nine spots on the list, number three is the big slab from famous dave's which clocks in at 2,770 calories. it's served with beans, fries, a corn muffin and 1.5 pounds of
meat. you would need to mow the lawn for seven and a half hours, meacham, to work off all of the calories and fat that you ate. >> luckily, his lawn is big enough. it takes seven and a half hours. >> taking second place is the, get this. joe, you can't have this any more. the bruleed french toast. 2,780 calories and 93 grams of fat! why would you make that for anybody under any circumstances? >> because you're hungry? >> that is disgusting! >> the same as eating 14 slices of french toast, aunt jemina's french coast. at the top of the list if they can't remain number one through the year, we look forward to that. >> red robin's monster mill. a burger topped with bacon
peppered jack cheese and peppercorn spread and tomatoes and lettuce and fried onion strips and a side of fries and costing you a staggering 3,540 calories. that is equal to eating seven mcdonald's double cheeseburgers and drinking a quart of soda! >> look at that! look at that sodium count! >> what are they putting in the burger that is seven big macs? that is like kilograms of sodium in there! >> several nations. >> amazing. >> do we have something about sharknado? what do you think of that? we got to finish this one, willie. new york daily news. >> sci-fi sharknado. second one shattered record for the networks and 40 million viewers and up 183% from the original film that aired last year.
that is richard kind hitting a shark out of citifield, by the way. shark it broke twitter records. another sequel is in the works. >> look at that chain saw! >> i love that! yes! take that! >> a nice cut, too, filet. >> right in the middle. >> really unbelievable. >> that's good. >> i actually -- when we had ion on the show, he's a really nice guy and he said we are all in on the joke. i felt better. it's just so bad, it's good? >> exactly. coming up at the top of 7:00. >> a lot coming up. >> are we going to keep talking about immigration? >> and last-minute efforts to try to get something done yesterday and the failures that happened. joe is also going to have a response for hit critics yesterday on the gaza and
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apparently that is a no-no. congressman young didn't take kindly to being delayed on his way in. the exchange also caught on video by nbc news producer frank thorp, pay attention to the staff member's reaction as you watch this. >> oh, no. >> what? what? young later apologized for putting his hands on the young man and said he was in a rush to get to the meeting and he didn't appreciate being stopped but he did apologize. julia roberts was on fallon last night and jimmy fallon showed her this video going around the web of a dog who is frightened by the picture of julia roberts. >> it's a dog who is afraid of your face. >> look. what? do you want to see julia? look at julia.
>> if that dog is watching, he watches the show probably, his name is akmed. you could say something nice to him to the camera and then he will be your friend. >> okay. where is akmed's camera. >> number one? is that akmed's camera? >> aarrgghh! >> you made it work! >> so cute. that's perfect. so good. >> coming up at the top of the hour, we continue to follow the breaking news we reported on earlier. the israeli hamas cease-fire reportedly ends just hours after taking effect. what both sides are saying this morning. plus the big political story out of washington. congress prepares to go on its five-week break with the crisis on the border in no better shape than months ago. do nothing congress at its best. our all-star political panel, is
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and thomas roberts all at the table with joe and me. joining us from washington political director and host of the political rundown chuck todd and moderator of "meet the press" david gregory and sam stein is with us as well. the breaking news from the middle east. reports that the cease-fire between israeli and hamas has unraveled just hours after taking effect. both sides are accusing the other of violating the truce and palestinian officials says that israeli shelling this morning has killed at least 27 people and wounded 100 others in southern gaza. the israeli military, meanwhile, saying militants have firted eight rockets and mortars at israeli since the cease-fire began and israeli source says at least two israeli soldiers were killed and the army says it appears an idf soldier has been abducted. the return of violence is a far cry from this picture captured by nbc ayman mohyeldin showing
israeli returning to the beaches and fisherman with boats and the area had been emptied for weeks due to the fighting. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is threatening to destroy the tunnels by hamas. nbc reporter martin fletcher got a rare look into one of the passage ways. >> reporter: dug through say and claned the tunne clay and sand the tunnels are hard to fight. electricity and telephones and almost six feet high and more than two feet wide. hamas has built dozens of them. this tunnel goes more than a mile into gaza to a town of honunas and in this direction only a few hundred yards israeli it comes up inside in the farming lands. israeli was this close to another tragedy. >> that is incredible. of course, we were talking about
this yesterday and comments you made on the show yesterday blasted over the internet in lots of different ways. >> well, and on talk radio and other places on tv where people like to keep it as simple as possible. what is the quote? >> foolish consistency is the hob goblin of little minds. >> that is why we bring pulitzer prize winners on. as jon meacham said, i think he made this up and why he got the pulitzer. since a foolish consistency of hob goblins adored by politicians. i didn't expect them to have the ability to grasp the statement for do's and don't's of mindless political posturing. let me start with simple talk that simple minded people must understand. america must stand with israeli. hamas they are a terrorist organization who started this confrontation by launching
thousands of missile attacks on the israeli. israeli uses their missiles to protect people and hamas use their people to protect missiles. condemnations don't matter much since the u.n. has long been a hot bed of anti-israeli sentiment. what matters most now is israeli neighbors in egypt and uae and jordan support the jewish state over the islamic terror out of the and turkey and qatar have chone hamas but they are practically alone in the region. israeli long time distrust of president obama and lining up with turkey and qatar in peace talks doesn't help bridge that divide, but an international diplomacy we have got to follow the wisdom of william f. buckley. you take the world as you find it and now how you wish it to be. the reality on the ground in
gaza is clear to all. the prolonged killing of children and women in palestinian territories will only serve to weaken israeli and serve to strengthen hamas. tragically this comes at a time when hamas leadership was on the run. they were hated at home. they were isolated abroad. and then this began. yes, they fired missiles into israeli. why? because they were on the verge of political destruction in gaza. but now every day that goes by with images of children being pulled out of the rubble of bummed out schools, bombed out hospitals, and bombed out marketplaces, is a day that only makes hamas stronger and threatens israeli's long-term security. that's bad for israeli. that's bad for america. and that is bad for middle east peace. and think about this. while you're going down your
punch list of what you think people on the extremes will like. blindly supporting israeli and israeli politicians when their actions may actually be strengthen their enemies and our enemies like hamas is no way to show your support and no way to show your friendship. >> that would make your point clear. >> well, i think it's simple enough but, gene, let's talk really quickly about how hamas, this is a great tragedy. after the humanitarian crisis, hamas, i saw some polls that said over 80% of people in gaza hated hamas, wanted them out. they were forced to strike a deal with the palestinian authority. egypt is against them. saudi arabia is against them. ae is against them. you go down the list. jordan is against them. they were isolated. this is only serving to prop them back up and it's the last thing in the long run that israeli needs. >> i totally agree and i actually wrote to that effect in
a column the other day and i got the same kind of reaction you go so, you know, that is the -- you know, i -- it seems so clear to me that, yes, israeli had to respond to rocket attacks, but this seems disproportionate and counterproductive and, ultimately is strengthening the people that israeli least wants to strengthen, while weakening the palestinian authority and mahmoud abbas in the west bank. he is not the greatest partner for peace, but he's certainly the best we've got over there. and actually is willing essentially to join with israeli to the extent that they can get rid of hamas. >> by the way, where i mentioned egypt is against hamas and uae is against hamas and you can go on and jordan you can list all
of the countries, saudi arabia, i forgot to also mention the palestinian authority. >> right. >> is against hamas! >> right. >> hamas is isolated but all we do when we sit back and blindly salute as these bombings continue and children are pulled out of, like, for instance, yesterday, a place where the u.n. sent israeli notification 17 times, this is a civilian place, do not target and then it's targeted. >> tragedy. >> listen, it's tragic. and it's a tragic humanitarian crisis but that strengthens and isolated hamas. >> this is a case where asiddious diplomatic work pays off in the long run and having some influence in -- within the israeli government is so critical for the united states. i don't think the last six years have been a model or a golden age of that relationship, and what we -- if we're going to
affect change in the right way, we have to be able to reach out, have the kind of personal relationships where you can affect things in what otherwise seems to be an intractable situation. >> david gregory, let me bring you in here on that point. david ignatius had a column a couple of days ago that charles krauthammer, who i've made no secret is a real hero of mine. i don't know that charles will agree with everything i've been saying over the past couple of days but there are a lot of thoughtful people, a lot of thoughtful conservatives, even a lot of thoughtful neocons i talked to yesterday who are very powerful said this is concerning and we seem to be strengthening hamas but david ignatius column they are taking a bad situation and making it worse. john kerry lining up with turkey and qatar who are basically hamas only allies in the region instead of standing with egypt and saudi arabia and the uae was just a dreadful mistake.
i had middle east diplomats call me and say what the hell are they doing? they have friends in the middle east they can stand with and they are choosing turkey and qatar, the two countries that are supporting hamas and it makes no sense. >> to john's point, this long-term diplomacy, i think wins in the end as well, but it's difficult to see at this point where that is going. right? there is a couple of problems with that. i think, look. the point you've been making the fact that the obama administration has been critical of some of these strikes is, in a way, protective of israeli and based our argument which this is not helping. this is only strengthening hamas and not weakening hamas and not achieving some of your security goals. at the same time, you're trying to negotiate a cease-fire with hamas which has as its primary goal to exterminate jews and eliminate israeli. doing some of the things that make better for ordinary people from gaza out of this is not where hamas is coming from and not its primary interest so
where i think the diplomatic road is really difficult. israeli not winning on the public relations front and made a decision as a practical matter degrading the tunnels and eliminating them and reducing whatever capacity they have to fire rockets, possess rockets. they may be showing some gains but i don't know that that is clear to the rest of the world what the metrics to say. everything is about this other damage. >> chuck todd, let me ask you. we were on the three-day preof cease-fire. reports from ayman mohyeldin that a truce was brokered. let's see what we can get israeli to commit to. is it, as david points out, the
building of the tunnels. it works tremendously for israeli billions of our taxpayer dollars helps support that so is it strictly the tunnels? >> i think that was an important change in sort of a quantitative measurement. you heard prime minister netanyahu say it and a couple of days earlier they were making the goal demilitarizing hamas. how do you ever prove that? that sort of sent the message this could be weeks or months before this ends. by saying, look, the goal is to get rid of these tunnels, i thought israeli very subtle way of saying, guess what? we expect to be done with that within the next feud. as soon as that is done, we are going to be a lot more flexible on some of these diplomatic idea. >> the question is where do we go from here? joining us now from jerusalem a spokesman for israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. >> mark, thank you for being with us. why don't you help us out here.
>> good morning. >> good morning. we have been trying to figure out how israeli measures success. a lot of long time supporters of israeli in america like myself that are very concerned by, obviously, the images of children and women being killed in public marketplaces and hospitals. i've heard you mention the past couple of weeks your regret about it. obviously, you agree it's a humanitarian crisis. how do you measure success, those in this operation? how do you measure whether hamas is degraded or nod and how do you way that against the political isolation they were experiencing before this began? >> there is a lot -- you've asked a whole series of questions. the first thing is there was a real chance today to alleviate the humanitarian suffering in gaza by this cease-fire. as you know, late last night israeli time, we accepted a proposal by the united nations by secretary-general ban ki-moon
and secretary of state kerry to have a 72-hour unconditional humanitarian cease-fire and at 7:00 local time in israeli, all of the offensive activities against hamas and the other terrorists in gaza ceased. the idea was to give at least three days for the people of gaza to have time to breathe and to come out of the places where they were hiding, to be able to buy food and the idea was to help the people of gaza. from israeli it was difficult because we preferred to continue the operation against hamas but we understood there was a need to make the humanitarian needs, unfortunately. hamas just torpedoed that possibility. at 9:30 this morning, there was an attack on our forces in direct violation of the cease-fire understandings. a deadly attack. it appears now an israeli soldier was kidnapped in the framework of that attack. and following that, we have had
mortar shells across the frontier and missiles raining into southern israeli. unfortunately, hamas has closed the door to this possibility at the moment of any humanitarian cease-fire. the primary victims of that decision by hamas is the people of gaza who, unfortunately, have to sit by and see this conflict continue. >> you certainly understand and you've said it before, and other israelis have said it, that hamas isn't concerned about the welfare of many of the people in gaza and that, unfortunately, falls on your soldiers and the people of israeli's soldiers, as well as protecting your own people. so the question is what is the end game here? you can't obliterate hamas, unfortunately, as a military force. is it destroying tunnels? is it going after the missiles? what is your end game? >> the end game is simple.
it's not easy to do, but the end game to articulate is simple. we want a period of sustained, quiet and peace for our people so they don't have to live in fear of these incoming rockets fired from gaza and, as you know, that number is getting close to 3,000 now. 3,000 rocks in three weeks. fired at israeli cities. they don't have to live in fear of terrorists popping out from the ground with explosives, with rocket propelled grenades and automatic weapons coming into your house and trying to kill you. our goal is ultimately defensive. if we can be assured that those sort of attacks will end, the operation can end straightaway but the problem is hamas, unfortunately, doesn't see it that way. and so we are in the process at the moment of working to diminish, to slowly take apart hamas' military machine, dealing with those missiles. we believe they only have about a third of the missiles that they started with. they only have a third of them
left and we are taking apart the network of tunnels and the big challenge, as you said, is when this is over, how do we prevent hamas from rearming and prevent them from rebuilding tunnels because that is the issue of demilitarization but that is our goal and it's defensive to protect our people. >> david gregory, do you have a question? >> good morning, it's david gregory, mark. my question is the reality is that you don't see a loss of israeli civilians because of the iron dome system, so some of the pictures that we are seeing in gaza have not been repeated and, obviously, the israelis are quite pleased about that. i wonder, as you look at this, as the national security officials talk about some of the operations that carried out in gaza, is there a price to be paid that is simply too high for israeli to achieve its objectives in gaza? >> well, obviously there are a
lot of bat pictures coming out of gaza. the truth is, like the united states, we don't want to see what the experts call collateral damage. we really are making a maximum effort to avoid seeing innocent civilians caught up in the cross-fire. as a proud israeli, i would say that our forces, i don't think, act any less than the united states does in similar combat situations and i challenge anyone to say that that is not true. we are trying to target the terrorists and their infrastructure and their command and control, and we are not trying to -- we are not targeting the people of gaza. as to the pictures and you raised an important point, david. i think it has to be said and resaid, because hamas rules the gaza strip with an iron fist, it's very difficult to take pictures of anything that doesn't fit the hamas narrative and so how many times have you seen pictures of rockets going off next to civilian areas? how many times have you seen pictures of weapons being stored in schools or in mosques? how many times have you seen
pictures of hamas using civilians as human shields? their ability through force, through violence. i mean, if you walk down the street in gaza with an nbc camera and you ask people, well, was hamas shooting from this building that the israelis targeted? no, everyone will say, of course, not. because you have a regime what is highlight authoritarian and violent to its own people and they have the ability to control the message. it's like walking down the street in cuba with a camera and say do you like fidel castro? what can people say? >> i think a lot of americans have a question on their minds. is this a battle or a war? is this operation something that can have an end and that something rervesembling a periof normalcy follow it or is this
one of the battles in exowe send shal war can five? >> they say the jewish right has no right to exist. they say the only solution to what they call the question of palestinian jihad and every person man woman and child is a legitimate target in their war of terror but you're right, i think, in placing this in a regional context because hamas is not unlike isis. i don't know if we still call it that but isis in iraq or this is one of our criticisms of so-called palestinian moderates. we have seen too many people who say they are moderates who are open to criticize israeli. i'd ask you do moderate iraqis stand up and support isis and
moderate lebanese support nigeria and support boko har a.m.? they aren't willing to step up flight and say these people don't represent us. and i think it would be much more health care dialogue for peace if we could see more of that from the palestinian side. >> sam stein? >> yes, hi. i grant israeli has taken a tremendous amount of responsibility here and they have suffered greatly and gone to great lengths to protect themselves. i'm wondering why you won't go one step further and engage in talks with hamas to try to bring an end to this hostility? >> it's what you're saying sounds logical. why not just talk to them? the trouble is hamas doesn't want to talk to you. >> have you tried? >> hamas is stuck in a very brutal and extreme agenda. hamas, ultimately, says that israeli should be obliterated and they haven't changed that position so we should talk to them about how we should, i
don't know, commit suicide as a people? i mean, hamas, i'd remind you and remind americans, hamas condemned president obama for taking out osama bin laden on the same day the leader of hamas and gaza praised obama -- sorry, praised osama bin laden as a holy warrior for islam. these are the people we are dealing with. can you talk and make peace with these people? any changed and became something else the door is open but hamas is stuck in a radical jihadist position and as long as they are praising osama bin laden it's difficult to talk about any dialogue. >> it seems that israeli believes its military will persuade hamas to moderate and i'm wondering why you don't feel about the same way to be diplomats. why you can't moderate them by reasoning with them. i understand they want to wipe israeli off the map, a stated goal of the organization, but certainly it wouldn't hurt to
try to talk to them off the ledge. i don't understand what the problem is in at least devoting those type of resources, as much as military resources to this conflict. >> i think you're correct when you say that there doesn't have to be a total dichotomy between the military operation and the diplomacy. look. there is an egyptian proposal on the table for an immediate cease-fire and for talks. we will bring up the issue of demilitarization. hamas has rejected that egyptian proposal and put so many preconditions on talks to make -- to make it impossible. but we're applying military pressure and it's possible that hamas will come around as a result of the military pressure, hamas will come around to accepting something tomorrow it didn't accept today. so there is this siynthesis between the military and the diplomatic. ultimately we understand the solution will be more than militarily. >> one quick question.
>> sam, i'm sorry. >> hamas is -- >> i'm sorry. i don't mean to interrupt. sam stein, the window is about to close. mark, why don't you wrap up. go ahead. >> i should wrap up, okay. >> i'm sorry. go ahead. >> if we come out of this, if we come out of this and hamas military is weakened and a as has been reported and its political position is undermined in the arab world and amongst palestinians for its reckless behavior and shameful abuse of palestinian civilians, so if hamas comes out of this weakened, maybe they will be hope for the middle east peace process because if hamas is weakened, then maybe those palestinians who do believe in peace will find the room to move, they will have the oxygen to step up to the plate and maybe reengage with israeli in a serious peace process which is ultimately what we want. >> mark regev, thank you for being with us and we appreciate you coming on and sharing your views and that of the prime
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are talking up some nutso scheme to jam through the immigration bill even though know is will never happen. doing something is better than doing nothing. the president is clearly not going to act so that means the congress has to act. so i believe it's important for us to act and i'm hopeful that we will. >> hey, so what happened? they must have acted, right? that was speaker john boehner yesterday hours before the house leadership was forced to pull their border security bill at the last minute, as support evaporated. house members convened in emergency meeting. still not clear whether a bill or similar version can pass. there are external factors at play as well. when asked when it died, peter king bluntly said, because of ted cruz. >> those are better pictures. >> they represent the moment
better. >> the texas senator who reportedly huddled with some house members praised them for not passing the bill but denied being responsible. >> david gregory and chuck todd are still bus. chuck, my gosh. from bad to worse on capitol hill. what is happening? >> hey, jeff sessions doesn't like this ted cruz talk. jeff sessions actually was also a republican senator from alabama. he was also lobbying heavily. i talked to people who said the finger should be pointed at him as much you would point to ted cruz. >> one representative criticized jeff sessions and saying he should grow up. >> what a 48 hours. let's fast forward to november. if democrats hold serve, meaning they hold the senate, basically break even in the house, we are going to look back at the month of july and say this is where
republicans blew it. between -- because think about the last 48 hours. house republicans did find the votes to sue the president but did not find the votes to be able to come together and figure out even the tiniest border bill that was essentially, let's remember what this is about. this is about giving the federal government money and tools to deport people faster. this is not an immigration reform bill. so they can't even come up with the votes on an amount of money to speed up a deportation process? this is not about coming up with a legalization process for people that are here to be totally cynical and blunt here. they couldn't even do that? and now they want to be able to govern with both houses of congress. somehow in the month of july, republicans have given democrats something to run on. on july 1st, they didn't have something to run on. on august 1st, they now have
something to run on in the mid terms. i had somebody say to me democrats have been trying to hand the senate to the republicans on the silver platter and republicans keep knocking the platter over. >> gene? >> well, just a question for david gregory. i mean, i think chuck is right, that clearly this does not make republicans look good. i think, frankly, the whole situation doesn't make anybody look good. and i wonder how you think this will fully play out, if it does, indeed, play out into the election this fall? >> let me add one more to chuck's list. so after the health care attempts to defund obamacare went south for republicans, john boehner let it be known that there were a lot of republicans in the house who did not appreciate the kind of lobbying that ted cruz had been doing. senator cruz had learned some important lessons from that in his influence had been diminished. i guess not.
because he moved on from health care to now immigration and what this is really about is giving the president anything, giving him any tools to deal with the problem even a problem that he wants to fix in a manner that most republicans want to see fixed. as chuck said by deporting a lot of these families, including children back to central american countries from which they have come. you have the hobby lobby decision and more politics around women and women's health. you have the specter of suing the president and impeaching the president. what did the president complain about several months ago about about the midterm is in the left would not be animated enough to come out' vote. now you've got a lot of new kindling here for them to get upset about that is really not about substance. it's noe not really about meeting the challenges the country faces. it's just about how politics is done in washington and that kind of anger that swirls around it. >> it's unbelievable. it continues. chuck todd, we will be watching the daily rundown at 9:00 a.m.
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♪ for as long as anybody can remember, nashville, tennessee has been defined by two things. music and jon meacham but we are going to focus on the music this morning foreign policy from elvis presley to dolly parton and tailor swift the biggest names in the world have gone to narve to record their hits but a new development is threatening some of the legendary music landmarks there. singer song writer ben foals is helping lead the right. from the tonguey tongs of broadway to the auditorium and grand ole opry the sound of music is everywhere in nar nashville. but the development that changed the face of music city threatens a neighborhood that attracts
musicians and tourists alike. >> aside from the history of it, there aren't many studios that sound this good in the world. ♪ >> reporter: more than a decade ago, song writer ben foles took over the lee at rca studio-a built in the 1960s for chet atkins assuring that the studio would remain with music. >> this is back of the warehouse and we recorded our first hit song on this without even tuning it. the brick the one that goes like this. ♪ that is that piano and it just sounds like that. >> reporter: the names of the music giants that have recorded here asbest big as the room its. >> i'm not a big ghost person but you can really feel when a space has been loved as much as this one has. and, you know, i love to put on
recording of dolly parton. >> reporter: he has brought in artists like tony bennett and brad paisley as well. but now a developer has purchased the building. he says he is exploring all options but admits he bought the complex for development in a highly desirable residential neighborhood. he is claiming the old building has asbestos and old wiring and mildew in the duct work. >> music row did not make music history because it was in buildings with massive columns. it made history because it was a musical environment to people to trade ideas and trade songs. it's not music row any more. it's like every place is shadowed by condominiums which they could build niver. >> reporter: he is trying to save the place and wrote a letter about studio-a and started a conversation in town how to preserve the city's history, while allowing room for
progress. as new mixes with old in nashville, fold worries studio-a. a place full of stories and songs may fall quiet for good. >> people want to see the identity of nashville intact while growth happens. condos are welcomed in music city, you need places to live but i'm not sure music survives in condo city as well. i think that is really what you're looking at. >> a little update. the studio just found its rent is going up by more than 100% which fold and others say will make it all but impossible for them to stay in that historic space. we put an exclusive behind the scenes look on our website joe.msnbc.com. it's a cool place and so many in nashville, jon, where the history is everywhere. >> there are a lot but there is a limited number. and so -- >> it should be preserved. >> the tension between preservation and growth, as your piece said, is always there. but not surprisingly, i'm siding
for history. i know that is stunning. >> yes. >> but, you know, the reason nashville is so cool right now is because of that cultural legacy and your connections. >> of course. >> right, of course. you went to vanderbilt. >> it seems to me tourism plays a big role. a lot of people go there because of music and music row. why would you tear down a piece of history where elvis and willie nelson were. >> sacred ground for a lot of people. the johnny cash museum you could visit and a lot of that history there but it looks like this one may be going the way of history. we will have more "morning joe" in a moment. ♪
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>> i'm not going to sit here. >> you stop for a second. i know i'm not who you want me to be. i'm your father and i'm not going anywhere. i think we deserve how we can have some relationship that is real. >> is that what you wanted, dad, when you didn't bother calling on our birthdays? >> you have every right to be angry. >> i do. i spent years of my life trying to fill your shoes so don't sit me and tell me you want a real relationship. >> i just trying to say that i'm here now and i'm making an effort now. >> that was a scene from the new movie "may in the summer." here with us now is the writer and director and producer and co-star of the film, shareen davis. she knows her value. she cast herself. i like it a lot! >> you have to do it. i write it, i can cast it.
>> pretty heavy scene right there. you actually confront pain in your own life, something you had to endure as a teenager. tell us about it. and why you decided to confront your parents' divorce in this film. >> well, i mean, who can't relate to divorce in this day and age? it's, you know, happening so often and i was -- i wanted to make a film that was sort of the reverse of my first feature film that was about, you know, immigrants returning home after, you know, decades in their host country and sort of finding themselves at various levels of discord. in this particular film may is palestinian and american and her father is american, played by bill pullman, and her parents divorced because of all kinds of difficulties, but she is actually planning her summer wedding and finds herself confronted with her past. the question is, you know, how do we plan a future that makes space for the past, but also,
you know, what happens when the past sort of sneaks into our present moment? and that was something that i really wanted to explore. >> you go back to amman in this movie and what did you in your life as well in the summer. >> that's right. yes, i am palestinian american. i was born in the united states. we used to return to jordan almost every summer, so it was sort of amazing to get the country grow and change as much as it has over the last three decade. >> we look at this film and see old world with modern values mixed in and certainly a large threat through the film is faith and how different characters have separated or come together because of faith. how important was that for you to explore with this film and from a personal level as well? >> yeah, that was quite important, just given how important faith is in the region and how many different faiths sort of come together and clash. and in this family, everyone sort of represents a different opinion and a different outlook on the issues of faith and politics to some extent as well.
so, you know, the family represents sort of a microcosm what is happening in the middle east. >> have you had that experience? the experience of the past sort of invaded your life -- >> absolutely. >> -- in that sort of way? how? >> well, i mean, you know, i think i've also, you know, similar to may, i'm searching and questioning certain things in my life. i am a child of divorced parents and i am one of four sisters. in the movie, there are three sisters but i have four, so we are five girls. and so, yeah, i think that that is quite common to have the past sort of creep into your present moment and to wonder, you know, how do i sort of move forward and build a future that is on my own terms? >> i'm reading this line from here from one sheet we were given and it says in your younger years when you lived in a small town in ohio, you were considered arab and when you were in jordan, you were considered american. >> that's right. >> i live in the south.
like my first 40 yoears, i live in the south and two years i lived in the north and i was a yankee in the south and a red-neck in the north. but that little more extreme for you obviously growing up. a lit you obviously growing up. but yeah, just you had one foot in both worlds, right? >> absolutely. i was sort of this virtual bridge, always trying to bring these warring sides of my own identity closer together but i think that's what naturally led me to become a filmmaker and an observer of the cultures. >> well, "may in the summer" will play in new york city on august 22nd and in select theaters across the country on august 29th. congratulations. thank you very much for being on. >> thank you for having me. up next, why this november's midterm election may be a throwback to the year 2000. oh, no, let's hope not. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ups is a global company, but most of our employees
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>> reporter: over the past four presidential election cycles, the state of florida has lived up to its reputation as a true swing state. after two consecutive elections in the democratic column, new polling suggests florida may not be ready to swing back to the gop just yet. a new quinnipiac poll shows voters prefer hillary clinton over jeb bush. the 2014 florida governor's race provides further evidence the sunshine state is leaning blue. charlie crist is seeking his old job, this time as a democrat. the recent poll shows florida voters preferred crist over gop incumbent rick scott. if these trends continue and florida has turned blue, then the road to the white house becomes increasingly white house. guys, back to you. >> all right, derrick, thank you. so does it become more difficult, gene? >> the republicans essentially have to win florida. however, it ain't over. it ain't over between scott and crist and it ain't over in
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>> you can imagine that there's going to be a lot of trading accusations about how this broke down. >> there was an attack on our forces in direct violation of the cease-fire. it appears now an israeli soldier was kidnapped in the framework of that attack, so unfortunately hamas has closed the door to this possibility at the moment. >> the house will be in order! >> total chaos on capitol hill today. >> the support for the entire border package fell apart in the house of representatives. >> mr. speaker, what's the plan, please? >> working with our members. >> use your metaphor, i'm willing to stay until we get the job done. >> everybody wants to get out of town. we're going to close up shop and go home and the humanitarian crisis goes on. what kind of an institution is this? >> wow! >> well, that's a good question at this point. >> that was a good question. >> what kind of institution is it? >> seriously, what is going on. >> the cows come home, chickens
come home to roost, pick your barnyard animal. what's going -- i think it's going to happen. >> no, it's not. welcome back to "morning joe." jon meacham and eugene robinson join joe, willie and me at the table. joining us from philadelphia, we have former chairman of the democratic national committee, governor of pennsylvania, nbc news political analyst, ed rendell. are you angry too with congress? what's he muttering there? >> he doesn't look angry. ed rendell is never angry, only determined. >> okay. we'll get to what's not happening in washington and the fallout from that in just a moment. >> what a mess. >> but first we begin with breaking news from the middle east. there are reports this morning that the cease-fire between israel and hamas has unraveled just hours after taking effect. both sides are accusing the other of violating the truce. a palestinian official says israeli shelling this morning has killed at least 35 people and wounded hundreds of others in southern gaza. the israeli military meanwhile says militants have fired eight rockets and mortars at israel
since the cease-fire began. an israeli source says at least two israeli soldiers were killed and the army says it appears an idf soldier may have been abducted. we have live coverage from gaza and israel. we'll go to nbc's foreign correspondent ayman mohyeldin live in gaza first. ayman? >> reporter: good morning, mika. let me bring you guys up to speed on what is happening here on the ground. according to the israeli military, operations are ongoing now searching for this israeli soldier that was captured by hamas, according to the israeli military. the operations are taking place in south gaza near the city of rafa but that is as much information as they are going on. meanwhile according to palestinian health officials, the number of fatalities rising tar as a result of this morning's attacks has now climbed to above 40. hundreds more have been injured
since this morning's fighting broke out between the two sides. there's been a lot of confusion as to when this happened, who broke the cease-fire and obviously, as you can imagine, both sides are accusing each other. hamas is saying that this violation of the cease-fire was by israeli soldiers who started shelling into the neighborhood of rafa but more importantly they are saying that the cease-fire at the time, according to sources here, did not, did not stipulate that ongoing operations in the areas under israeli control will be off limits. so there is this information war unfolding about who is responsible and what has happened. we do know right now rafa is being shelled heavily. the death toll is rising fast and palestinian health officials are warning that this could be, in their words, another unfolding massacre, mika. >> you know, an indication of how quickly things change here, this is the late edition of "the new york times." above the fold piece talks about the cease-fire. it says diplomatic bolt from the blue that will suspend the bloody 24-day military campaign
and set the stage for arduous negotiations between israel and hamas over a more lasting truce. as that was being printed off the presses here in new york, the truce was ending. so, ayman, given this, this was brokered by the united states and by the u.n., a 72-hour cease-fire completely fell apart, what's the hope for any cease-fire? how could either side trust the other? >> reporter: well, right now i think there's no trust between these two sides. the question is can they have confidence in the mediators. and the mediators right now were the united states and the united nations. they came out and put this cease-fire in place based on assurances they were given from third parties. we know the egyptians have called off the meetings that were scheduled to start today in cairo. they have actually told hamas they are not allowed to come into egypt to participate in these talks. so that's definitely one indication that the talks have failed. the other important issue is that the united nations and the idf, israeli military, has notified the united nations as a
result of this they will continue and resume full operations inside the gaza strip. so you're really not only back at square one, some are saying you've taken several steps back to even before that. it's a real setback today. >> ayman, this is gene robinson. you know, if one side can't reach the negotiating site, obviously there's not going to be a negotiation. so does this actually speak well of what john kerry was trying to do a week or so ago? he was going a different route, trying to get a negotiation going. he was using turkey and qatar. turkey, of course, being a nato ally. and everyone jumped all over him and said what a naive, terrible thing it was. are there still any possibilities if this doesn't work to go that route? >> reporter: well, there are strong suggestions to support the claim that since the united
states does not talk to hamas and since hamas has very strained relationships with egypt at this point, you need to have somebody speak on behalf of hamas in the international community, and certainly turkey being a nato member, has diplomatic relationships with israel. although it is led by an islamic party, it still has very close relationships with the united states and hamas and can serve as that. it comes down to the issue of trust and who can the sides trust. there is an underlying question to this which is if you try to build a cease-fire that just puts in place a cessation of hostilities. that does not address israeli security, palestinian need for freedom and accessibility to gaza, you're going to be back here if not six months from now less than a few hours from now. what the fragility of the cease-fire shows, unless you're going to address the core issues from the start, you'll find yourself in this pattern of violence either six months from now or a few hours after it came
into effect. >> ayman, thank you very much. we want to turn now to nbc news correspondent martin fletcher who joins us from tel aviv. martin? >> reporter: hi, mika, everybody. well, i can't emphasize enough what happened today. this is the beginning of a national trauma in israel. i think we're burying the lead a little bit because the kidnapping, it is true, and the israeli army suggests that one soldier has been abducted, probably an officer, by the way, the way it happened will set off here a wave of anger and cause for revenge. remember sergeant shalid caught in 2009, he was held for five years and israel was struggling to get him back. it was a trauma for the nation. what happened this morning, and i'm piecing this together from various reports from different sources, some confirmed, some not, but it appears that what was happening, israeli soldiers were operating near rafa in the southern part of the gaza strip. they were continuing their
process of finding and destroying tunnels when from another tunnel apparently, hamas militants came out. there was a suicide bomber, he blew himself up. they killed two israeli soldiers and apparently were able to take off with another israeli soldier. now, we don't know, it's not confirmed yet, whether that israeli soldier is dead or alive. hamas has said they're going to make an announcement soon. they described this as what they called a unique operation. so i can't emphasize enough what this means to israel. it's a nightmare for israel and it's also a major success for hamas, who have said from the beginning that one of their key war aims, one of their definitions of success would be to kidnap a live israeli soldier. that may have happened and so israel now is just -- that's probably the main reason why there's been such a ferocious israeli assault on that area, trying to cut off the area of escape so that the hamas militants who have taken the israeli soldier, whether he's dead or alive we don't know, they're trying to cut off that
area so they can stop him being taken out of that area so they know where he is more or less, mika. >> nbc's martin fletcher, thank you for that. joining us now from the white house, deputy national security adviser tony blinken. tony, why don't we start right there. as martin just put it, the beginning of a national trauma for israel with potential capture of a soldier. what do you know about that? >> mika, look, this appears to be an absolutely outrageous action by hamas, using the cover of a cease-fire to conduct a surprise attack through a tunnel, kill israeli soldiers and perhaps taking one hostage. we strongly, strongly condemn it. israel has the right to defend itself and it's obviously taking action to do so. but this is an outrageous action and we look to the rest of the world to join us in condemning it. those with influence on hamas to use that influence to cease these actions. >> so, tony, let's talk about moving forward and trying to negotiate a cease-fire that will
actually stick. i think that's going to be much harder now if hamas did use outrageously use a cease-fire to actually launch a surprise attack, which would certainly be consistent. but where do we go? right now it seems to be either a negotiation that egypt runs or a negotiation that turkey and qatar run, and obviously the white house and john kerry have been criticized for dealing with those two countries. what's the next step? it seems like we can't even figure out what countries to negotiate a cease-fire with. >> right now i think as we speak, secretary kerry is on the phone with prime minister netanyahu and we'll see what results from that conversation. but the bottom line is this. these cease-fires are not built on trust, they're built on actions. the parties that sign up to them need to act accordingly. we've had them in the past, they have worked, even when there's been no trust. but right now, the main thing is the soldier, if he was taken
prisoner, needs to be released and the parties need to abide by their commitments. the reason for going through turkey, going through qatar, is they have a relationship with hamas. they need to use their influence with hamas. the egyptians had an initiative, the israelis signed up to it repeatedly and that was a good basis for trying to move forward. but secretary kerry said last night in announcing this humanitarian pause that it was incredibly fragile and unfortunately we've seen the demonstration that that's true. >> tony, it's willie geist. we've seen rare criticism from the state department, the white house and now the department of defense of israel and the idf saying the civilian casualties are far too high, coming out publicly and saying that of such a close ally. could you elaborate a little more on the specific criticism of the military tactics of israel. >> no country can abide having rockets rain down on its people or tunnels underground to kill them or take them prisoner. israel has a right to defend
themself. we said that consistently and repeatedly. hamas intentionally targets civilia civilians. the israelis do everything they can to avoid targeting civilians. israel holds itself to a very high standard, but what we've seen is that it's incredibly difficult to meet its very own high standard. this is an area that is densely, densely populated. and the more the actions continue, the more civilians are at risk. of course hamas uses them as in effect human shields, surrounding its sites and legitimate military targets with civilians. that's why we've seen this terrible toll on civilians and on children. and so what we've been saying is we know israel has the highest standards, but the reality is, the fact is it's having difficulty meeting its own standards. >> have you received any assurances that that will change, that the approach will change so that fewer civilians are killed? >> the israelis continue to assure us that they are taking every precaution, but the difficulty, the challenge is that just because of the
difficulty of the circumstance, again with hamas using civilians to surround its strategic sites and weapons, putting weapons in u.n. facilities and schools and hospitals makes it incredibly difficult. we've faced this challenge ourselves, whether it was in iraq or afghanistan, pakistan, it is incredibly hard. but there are times when you don't take the shot. this is what's so challenging. >> deputy national security adviser tony blinken, thank you. we'll get back to this breaking news as it developments. we want to get to politics at home. house leadership was forced to pull its board skiert bill at the last minute as support evaporated. house members then convened an emergency meeting but it's still not clear whether their bill or another bill can pass. when asked why the bill died, congressman peter king said this. because of ted cruz. the texas senator huddled with some house members praised them for not passing the bill but denied being responsible.
joining us now, we're going to be going to republican congressman tom cole of oklahoma. tom, it's good to have you on the show. >> tom, what's going on there, tom? i mean you've got chaos in the house, you've got harry reid in the senate obviously saying if he even gets the bill over from the house he's going to effectively kill it in the senate. what's going on? >> well, first of all, harry reid and democrats in the senate couldn't pass a bill yesterday and they quit and went home. we couldn't quit a bill yesterday and we're at work and we're here. we're going to pass this bill. the speaker made it very apparent. we had a good conference yesterday. i think we narrowed the differences between ourselves, we're pretty close, and we had a great deputy whip meeting where we talked through, as you know, joe, how these work, how to persuade some of our colleagues to see it the majority's way. the rules committee met last night, passed a same day rule.
we're ready to act not only today but any day between now and september 5th. so i think we just have to keep working at it. i think the speaker had it about right yesterday and we'll get there. >> congressman cole, this is gene robinson. there was a contradiction yesterday that i'm still struggling to understand. the leadership statement when the bill didn't pass essentially said, well, but there are plenty of administrative things that president obama can do and should be doing at the border. and that was a day after the house voted to sue president obama for taking administrative action. so how does that square? >> well, i'm not going to disagree with you because it's a point i made myself in conference. look, you can't say on the one hand that the president is overreaching by acting without legislative authority and direction and then refuse to give him legislative authority and direction in another area. so i don't disagree with what you have to say at all. that's exactly what needs to
occur. we've got a good bill that actually addresses the problem, a problem the president has identified but refused to produce a solution to, provides an adequate amount of money to get us to the end of the year. we'll give him additional resources next year. but the first thing is to actually pass legislation across the house floor. so i'll tell you that's what we're going to do today. i'm not going to point a lot of fingers at the president until we get our own job done. >> congressman cole, it's willie gei geist. you've heard some saying the reason this bill was pulled yesterday is simple, ted cruz got a bunch of republicans in this room and said we can't go this way. does that sound right to you? >> well, i'm going to be very careful about what i say. look, at the end of the day you can -- you can point fingers at senators or other people. your voting card is your own and you have to have enough nerve to cast some tough votes around here. this is really about us as a conference and individual members, whether they want to be
part of a team or they think their individual judgment is always superior to the collective judgment of our leadership and conference. you've got to work through that and at the end of the day you're responsible for your own vote. so pointing to ted cruz or jeff sessions is not particularly productive. you've got to look in the mirror and say are you going to get the job done or not? >> tom, thank you so much. how are the sooners going to be? >> we're rated number three but we think we're number one, so -- >> boomer sooner, baby! >> absolutely. >> all right, thank you so much for being with us. we appreciate it. don't you guys wish every politician in washington would talk like politicians from oklahoma? >> i think what you're referring to, if you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, i think that's the quote. >> kipling. >> that's what we were just saying. all right. let's go -- ed rendell, man, the dysfunction in washington, d.c.,
on all sides, absolutely crazy. what in the world does the president do with two years left? he can't just sort of float above it all and go around and give speeches and laugh and joke and whatever. i mean what does he do? what does he do? what does he do? >> i think he does what he's been doing. >> really? >> he looks at what the limits are of his executive authority and then tries to do things to address problems and challenges that are within those limits. now, will that be tested in the courts? apparently so. and that will be an interesting test as it develops. but he can't sit back and do nothing. i don't think you can -- he can negotiate with this congress, certainly not in the house. john boehner can't negotiate with his own caucus, how do you expect a democratic president to do that. >> so ed what happens? you've been in politics enough to know that sometimes things don't go the way you would
expect them to and pollsters and pundits often have it wrong. what happens if republicans take control of the senate? are the last two years a wash for the president or does he realize he's got to deal with them? >> but the question is, joe, and you know i have been a critic of the president. but the question is, what does he do to deal with them and who does he deal with? that's the problem. if you look at it from the president's perspective, you make a deal with john boehner, what good is that? i mean it doesn't look like that gets him anywhere. >> but there's dysfunction on both sides. and i'm not pointing fingers, but you've got harry reid yesterday who knew that he was going to possibly kill the bill in the house by saying even if they pass that in the house, i'm going to lump the entire immigration reform package from last year that we couldn't pass over in the senate. so i'll effectively kill it in the senate and the house. that is dysfunction on both sides of the capitol. >> there's no question that there's dysfunction on both sides. but i'll show you the problem
for the republicans. let's take pat meehan, a suburban congressman from philadelphia, a good guy and has done a good job. pat says elect me, i'm not like these guys in the republican caucus. that's what he says to independent voters and democratic women and others. well, our response now is, look, if we had a democratic congress in the house, the senate immigration bill, which the vast majority of americans favored, the chamber favored, organized labor favored, virtually everyone favored that bill, it had some problems, that would have passed and we would have had immigration reform for over a year now. so as much as you like pat meehan, he can't stay and that is for independents going to be a persuasive argument, i believe. it's an argument that will play out not just in suburban philadelphia but in a lot of -- people say there are no republican moderates left. joe, you know that's not true. they may be down to 30 or 40, but those 30 or 40 hold the balance of power.
so this was not a good day yesterday, was not a good day politically. i agree there's dysfunction on both sides, but the republicans will bear the brunt of the blame, the ted cruz story, all of that is going to be difficult. plus in states like georgia where there's a growing hispanic vote, you have just energized the base in ways that there's nothing that we could do. >> ed rendell, thank you very much. and still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> i think ed is sticking with us. >> he is? is he staying with us or not? >> we'll have the latest data on the economy as the important july jobs report releases in just about ten minutes. plus this. >> did you borrow any of his dance moves? >> no, i used to borrow them. i kind of dropped them and got some other ones, but i used to do -- in the early '60s i used to do some of his moves. >> that was part of willie's conversation with mick jagger who's behind the new james brown film, a producer on the film. the man who brings the godfather
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hillary clinton? i can't stand that woman. >> i know. maybe we could all take a page from her book. >> what, to be humiliated in public and then walk around smiling all the time? that is so false. i would dig a hole, climb into it and not come out. >> all i know is she stuck by
him and put up with the [ bleep ] and in the end, what did she do? she set up her own little thing. >> she did. she took all that negative [ bleep ] he gave her and spun it into gold. you've got to give her credit. >> that's true, isn't it. she's a role model for all of us. >> wow. our next guest may have watched that scene from "the sopranos" when he wrote this in his new book. over the years, many metaphors have been used to describe the clintons. among the most common is their similarities to the mafia. on line editor for the weekly standard, daniel halper. daniel joins us now. also at the table the editor in chief and a man who covered the clintons extensively, joe conason. >> mika, i'm very, very distraught. i was going to have daniel and joe scrap and tear apart each
other but they stayed in the green room too long and like each other now. >> what happened? >> daniel explained to me why the mafia metaphor is actually positive. i'm sure he can tell you the same thing. >> i've always thought of that as a positive. >> so, daniel, why is it positive? >> there's this notion that you're once in and never out. you're always a part of clinton world even when you leave. but at the same time the only people that are really there are the family. it's the centrality of the family, bill, hillary and now chelsea that makes the metaphor apt. >> i've actually used the metaphor for congress. i said it's like the godfather, you never -- and this is the same thing with the clintons. but i said this all the time, you never get credit for being loyal 95% of the time. >> yes. >> and it's sort of that way with the clintons too with reporters and everything else, right? they respect loyalty. >> it's a kind of a bunker thing. is that different from the kennedys or the bushes. >> no.
>> or other political dynasties? >> i was telling daniel i was interviewing somebody for my book. somebody who was the chief of staff for president clinton and the foundation and at some point i said to her what was it like when you said good-bye to him? she looked at him like i was an idiot. she said, joe, don't you know that with them, there is no good-bye? >> that could be a good or bad thing. >> i mean she didn't think they were going to kill her. >> no, no, exactly. >> she was loyal for good reasons. >> what did we learn in this book? >> what do we learn in this book about the rebuilding of this political machine after the huge setback in '08. >> actually it starts before that. it starts scandal-ridden white house, impeachment. >> right. >> when they leave the white house, what do they do, they try to rebuild relationships with republicans. >> and they had a rough exit with marc rich. hillary's first year was just cleaning up bill's mess. >> and bill was personally depressed. it was a low moment for them in life. i try to tell the story of how
they came to where they are, threatening a returning to the white house again in 2016. that's a remarkable political story. to gene's point earlier, the point of the book is, yeah, you can make these certain comparisons about other political families and that's kind of the point of the book, to explain politics and how politics works. but it uses people who are the best at it, bill and hillary clinton. they are the best. their story is applicable in other ways to other stories. >> daniel, what happened in 2008? i remember in 2006 and '07 saying this to mika, there was no way that this young senator from illinois could take on the clinton machine. that they would grind his political bones to dust. don't you understand clinton, don't you understand the mafia, don't you understand blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and kaboom, it was a house of cards that fell down. why won't it be that way in 2016. >> first they get out of the white house and build these relationships with republicans but what they don't realize is they have a massive problem with
democrats. democrats are disappointed that eight years of george w. bush are a result of the clintons and it's because of that disappointment they go with the person they don't know, barack obama, over the person they do know, hillary clinton. it's a big slap in the face. but she never faced republican voters. it was democrats who didn't vote for her. so the problem was they didn't shore up democratic support. joining the state department is a big boon to shoring up democratic support. >> so there's a contention also that clinton ink may be quashing any democrat opponents now. >> yes. >> look at joe biden -- >> how are they doing it? >> if you thought you might want to be president -- >> we have a democratic system. she's very popular. it's not that much to do with clinton inc. it's because of of her record in the senate and secretary of state and the popularity of her husband's administration. you can't say they're not quashing somebody else for money. >> no, i'm asking daniel because
in his book you talk about fund-raisers that are maybe being put to work to do so. >> they have been working for the last 20 years for a hillary clinton presidency. this is something they have had in mind or hillary has had in mind since '92, '93. she was talking about -- aides were talking about it in the white house then. they realized this was an ambition of hers. she needed to shore up democratic support, so joining the state department is a way to do that. joining obama ranks, obama democrats. people like martin o'malley, people like liz warren, what they have done is they have built relationships with all these democrats. the book is really about relationships as well and it's about how the clintons understand how humans work. they understand on a human level that talking to people, saying nice things to people and working, you know, can charm people. nobody is safe from bill clinton's charm. by charming various democrats, they have already been able to get a lot of support. you have ready for hillary and all these other institutions that are up and running and
trying to shove everybody out of this market. >> daniel, a couple of things really quickly. first of all, you say become is a classic narcissist. that's like saying the sky is blue. chelsea clinton, you say 2016 de facto campaign manager. >> chelsea manager decided to join the family business. like any other family business, when a family member comes in, she automatically jumps to the top. so the same here with chelsea clinton. i tell this story of some aides to bill clinton wanted to start a consulting company. that consulting company was going to be global and reach out. it exists today and is doing well. chelsea clinton asked forr equiy and now they are no longer close to the clintons. >> the story of that will be in my book.
>> i do -- just very quickly, though. i do -- for the record, i know people who are close to bill clinton, who are close to hillary clinton, who are close to them out of this really intense personal loyalty because they really believe in these people and really believe in who they are. >> yes. >> one of the things i was going to say is whatever chelsea decides to do with the foundation or the campaign, i'm sure secretary clinton will be there with her and she'll want her there. but the reason that it's hard for somebody to get money together or get a campaign together to challenge her is elizabeth warren has already written a letter to her saying you should run, signed with all the other women democratic senators. it's hard to go back and say actually i'm going to run against you. they look at poll numbers. among democrats at least it's 80% for hillary. >> there's no close second. >> so what do you do about that? >> daniel, thank you for coming
on. joe conason, he didn't say how great he was -- >> you forgot to ask me. >> but he has endorsed the book. let's have you guys back and continue this conversation. >> i'm sure the endorsement will be on the paperback edition. >> and his will be on mine. coming up, full analysis of the july jobs report. stay with us.
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let's get right to the july jobs report with cnbc's sara eisen. sara, what you got? >> well, it turns out that july jobs came in a bit lower than economists were looking for. the economy added 209,000 jobs during the month of july. it's above 200,000 so it's still a positive sign but economists were looking for a number like 230,000 jobs and it's not as good as june, which was 298,000 jobs. that was actually revised higher. the other headline here is that the unemployment rate ticked up to 6.2% from 6.1%. now, it sounds like higher unemployment rate might not be good news but it actually is because it means more people are confident and they're coming in and looking for jobs and entering the labor force and that could explain why the unemployment rate is ticking higher. add it all up, it's not as good as people were looking for --
>> sara, can i interrupt you for a second? we're all shaking our heads here. do you think that somebody in the federal government could come up with a measurement for unemployment that doesn't require great reporters like you to say every month, okay, it looks like good news but it's really bad news or it looks like bad news but it's -- why don't we have the real unemployment rate? wouldn't that make your job easier and also make it easier to follow? >> it would. and it would also make janet yellen, who's the fed chair's job, a lot easier too. the federal reserve used to target the unemployment rate in its policy and say we're not going to change policy until we start to see that unemployment rate come down. guess what, the unemployment rate came down and they had to leave that statement behind and say we're looking at other factors in the labor market like wage growth, which by all accounts is not where we need it to be, like long-term unkploempd which is 3.2 million people in
america, like temporary jobs, which we continue to see that number elevated and people who are actually wanting full-time jobs that are temporary jobs. so it's all of these qualitative things, which is good but that 6.2% probably doesn't tell the full story. what i would look to is we have seen six months of solid job gains, above 200,000 in this country, and we do have an economy growing at 4%. the question is it's been bumpy and it's been uneven, so there's still a lot of pockets of weakness. >> sara eisen, thank you very much. chad boseman brings james brown back to life in "get on up." stay with us. ♪ ♪
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up." the star of "get on up," chadwick boseman. it is so good to have you on the show. >> good morning. >> i'm telling you, i'm hearing from people who know both of the icons that you played and they knew them. they're awe struck by how you've been able to channel now james brown. were you at all concerned about taking on this role? >> yes. you know, i just didn't want to do a bad job at it. you know, you can. like it's a career-ending move to take on james brown and not be able to pull off the dance moves. there's just so many things also, like there have been parodies about him that were genius. love eddie murphy. but it was so good that it was nearly -- i felt like it was impossible to get past that. so, you know, how do you see the
real man because that's why you come to see the biopic. >> so how did you do it? >> you know, i've watched the movie like three times now. and it's very difficult to watch myself, but i think, first of all, i had a great director. tate taylor is amazing. you know, he -- you have to have that person that's watching what you're doing. i had mick jagger as well and he -- the team was amazing. like mick had studied james brown. you know, he didn't necessarily copy his specific moves, but he got his own -- >> he's inspired. >> yeah, he was inspired by james brown and inspired by his ability to captivate a crowd, an audience. >> what was tougher to do, the dancing or the singing? >> the dancing. >> okay. can you still do a split?
or have you lost the flexibility? >> probably can, but i'm not going to do it. >> what's your favorite james brown song? after all this, you probably have heard all of them at this point. >> it changes all the time, i think. the one that i play the most is a song called "loss on monday" that mick jagger introduced me to. >> after your performance playing jackie robinson, this one is just unbelievable, so a great problem to have. are you worried that you'll be picked to play icons only? >> you know what, i'm not looking for another one, that's for sure. a role is a role. if it's a good role and a good story, that's what i'm really looking for. james brown is almost like a superhero anyway. >> a role is a role but the splits are optional. >> exactly. "get on up" is out in theaters today. chadwick boseman, it is great to
meet you. congratulations on this. thank you very much. we'll be right back. she's still the one for you.
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thomas? >> can we talk about the gang? >> courtney, kevin and eric -- >> our interns. >> come on up. >> have you met? >> i'm joe scarborough, so good to meet you. and you are? >> adorable. >> you guys are great. >> you've been fantastic. >> big helps, big helps. >> thank you guys so much. i appreciate it. >> very good work. >> you don't even know them. >> they grow up so fast. >> john, what have you learned? >> i learned that congress will be on a staycation. >> oh, that's a good one. gene? >> you know, i learned that sometimes cease-fire means like commence fire, unfortunately. >> my gosh, unbelievable. mika, what about you? >> you definitely want me outta here so i'm leaving too. >> you're going to be gone for a while? >> yep, i sure am. yes, i am. >> if only you were as dedicated to this job as me. it makes me sad.
all right, kids, if it's way too early it's "morning joe." you'll be mika in a couple weeks. stick around, right now we're going to toss it to chuck todd and "the daily rundown." thanks. drained capital. speaker boehner holds house republicans in town for one more day to try to get a border bill passed that won't ever actually become law, as frustrated rank and file finger point all over the place, including at ted cruz and jeff sessions. and the friday flight schedule in d.c. is suddenly filled up fast. meantime, an incredible admission by the cia after an internal probe confirms rumors that cia officers hacked into senate intelligence committee computers. reaction this morning from oregon democrat ron widen. plus fancy farm. kentucky's one-of-a-kind political punchfest set to take center stage this weekend in perhaps the most watched senate
all right. let's get a check on the day ahead. former florida governor will hit the trail to campaign for current governor rick scott. scott faces his predecessor charlie crist coming up this november. president bush will return to the white house on sunday. president obama heads back to the vineyard on tuesday. that is going to do it for a friday edition of "way too early." good show, everybody! good week. it would be better if it were payday friday. it is not! "morning joe" starts right now. ! ♪ i grew up here and this is my community and my home. therefore, it means a lot to me personal that we break this cycle of violence and diffuse the tension and build trust showing the utmost respect for every interaction with every
citizen. i understand the anger and fear that the citizens of ferguson are feeling and our police officers will respect both of those. good morning. it's friday, august 15th. it's good to have you with us. we have got a huge show today. willie, i mean, this is night of a thousand stars. remember that back in the '70s? you would have william shatner singing "strawberry fields forever." this is what we are going to have here except different. no trapeze and instead of william shatner, we have al sharpton, right? we have the governor of missouri on. this is big. we got katty kay here washington anchor for bbc and mike barnicle and host of msnbc "politics nation," and president of the national action network, let's introduce the hardest working man in show business, reverend al sharpton.
in d.c., "the new york times" reporter jeremy peters. he keeps going. >> he really does." on martha's vineyard, julie pace. get to our thousand guests in one second. what a day yesterday. did you see this ice bucket thing? it was, like, look at this. look! look! they keep coming! louis bergdorf comes in, this is all for als and because a lot of people around here just apparently don't like me. there is mike barnicle coming with yet another! it was unbelievable! bobby jindal did this all for a good cause, lou gehrig's disease, als. it's just not fun. >> that's a lot of eyes. >> it's a lot of pent-up stuff. >> there is. >> so that's a release for young louis. >> kate and jackson and everybody getting into it. >> i love the way kate did one extra bucket after everyone else had finished. >> unbelievable. >> we were challenged by bobby
jindal and mika and i have given -- are contributing to a really worthy cause. we challenged carole king and lyle lovett. lyle lovett, his answer to the call. i accept your challenge, a guy that moves fast. he got dunked as well. there is also another good tweet yesterday, willie. i like to get in more trouble before 6:02 a.m. in the morning than most people get in trouble all day. i talked about the two reporters that the police officers didn't think were moving fast enough. one of them tweeted this out and somebody sent this to me. tweeted this out a couple of hours later. shaking his head when he was younger and said, i thought we were cool, man. we're cool! >> it's a tight cut you got there. >> i know. my tweeted response was, no, there was absolutely nothing cool about my haircut. that was just absolutely awful.
>> ryan reilly, the "post" reporter. >> i told him he could dump water on my head and maybe my pennant for being dumb, every time i'm dumb. you better move. >> some people have a jet to see and you will have an ice bucket. >> all for a good cause, exactly. and lyle lovett is now challenging other people. a lot to get to, willie. let's hope some good news overnight in missouri. it looks like officials there finally doing the right thing. they actually have people walking with demonstrators instead of firing or aiming at the demonstrators. this is just crazy. it got way out of hand. >> yeah. change in leadership in the police and now a change in tone. last night in ferguson, missouri, there is hope that days of violent protests over the deadly police shooting of an unarmed teen may be coming to an end. the first time in five nights
police were not involved in heated clashes with demonstrators. protesters instead drove through the streets honking their car horns and others shared music and no reports of violence. the change came after democratic governor jay nixon put the highway patrol in control of security there. the governor vowed the change would bring a different tone after the unrest. >> what has gone over here the last few days is not what missouri or ferguson is about. this is a place people go to work and raise their families and go to church. a missouri community, a diverse community but lately looking like a war zone and that is unacceptable. to change that course we need to join hands and amend what is broken and help this community regain its confidence and stability literally the eyes of our nation and world are on us. >> there is state highway patrol ron johnson who walked with protesters in the streets and stopping to embrace many of them
to hear their concerns. president obama spoke publicly for the first time about the death of 18-year-old michael brown and the violence that ensued. the president saying there is no excuse for violence by or against police officers urging the community to come together. >> let's remember that we are all part of one american family. we are united in common values and that includes belief in equality under the law. a basic respect for public order, and the right to peaceful public protests. so now is the time for healing. now is the time for peace and calm on the streets of ferguson. now is the time for an open and transparent process to see that justice is done. >> reverend al, the president said all of the right things yesterday. he said there is no excuse for looting and there is no excuse for violence, there is no excuse for a lot of the bad actions that have taken place, but there is also no excuse for what we have seen from the
militarization of this community and we talked about it yesterday on the show. how can it be you can have a police officer that is disproportionately overwhelmingly white representing a community as diverse as ferguson? >> i think that is really a part of the issue that we really, really have to capture here. when the grandfather of michael brown called us last week and i talked to him and i agreed to go down, i went down right after the day of looting and we called for peace. the family went out. we had the first big rally and it built up and we were able to get people calm for one night. then the militarize of police force made it worse. >> you went down and called for calm and peace. there is peace, there is calm. >> tuesday night, yes.
>> what if, at that point you had other officials in that state following your lead and do exactly what the governor did yesterday and actually having somebody from the community like ron johnson. listen. it's not that tough. >> no, it's not. >> we are not talking about wats 1965. we are talking about ferguson, missouri. it seems like these police officers and these state officials had to bend over backwards to make a bad situation much, much worse. >> much, much worse. and what stunned me when i was leaving the church going back to the hotel, calm in the streets. and these police were like all over the place. i mean, i felt like we were in a war zone. this was tuesday night when there was no problems. it got even worse wednesday. but what i hasten to remind everyone is that when the reporters got arrested and everyone got upset, i don't want
people to forget the issue here is an unarmed young man that was killed, not just reporters arrested. i respect the reporters, one of them, i know, a great reporter, but let's not act like we solved the problem, because we now had the cop marching with the marchers. we still have an unarmed young man that was killed and the issue of that can't be lost in all of this. >> how can it be -- another thing we were talking about a lot about yesterday was wouldn't the people of ferguson feel better? wouldn't we all feel better if cops wore cameras? i talked to bill bratton about that. if every cop in america wore a camera we would know what happened in that altercation. it seems to me we said yesterday the only people who were hurt, because good cops aren't hurt by wearing cameras. the only good people -- i mean, the only people that are hurt by that policy are bad cops. >> i heard you say it in the
mornings and i think you're right, because the only ones that should object to that are bad cops and criminals. because now the criminal has no excuse and the bad cop has no excuse. i don't think most cops are bad like i don't think people in our communities are bad. we got to get rid of the bad ones on both sides. >> there's a couple of other things going on here that we really should think about as a country for quite sometime. one is cultural and the other is political. the cultural thing there is something deeply wrong with the culture where the vast majority of americans know more about the death of robin williams than they do about the death of michael brown. i mean, that young man's body was on the street for 10 to 15 minutes uncovered, unattended to. the public works department takes dogs off the street after they get it by cars faster. the other aspect of it is speaking about the military 6:00 of police departments, there were many, many members of the
ferguson, missouri, police department who were on the streets wearing better armament than young men who were sent to iraq in 2003. that's a fact. >> there is an incredible piece in "the daily beast" of a veteran of iraq talking about walking outside the wire in iraq more lightly armed a than what he saw on the streets in ferguson. he wasn't saying it to be cute or clever. he said i'm looking at what they are wearing and they have more heavy armament for nonviolent protests than they do in iraq. what have we learned from a policing standpoint? it strikes me watching this that things only escalated from this police presence. yes, they had to come out the first night. you can't tolerate looting and violence. >> looting is wrong. >> absolutely. if you treat people like criminals in some ways you'll have a confrontation. if you're shooting tear gas at people, they will respond. >> if they do that in any of our neighborhoods. >> of course. >> the first day, in the first day, i would go out and say get
the hell off of my street. >> you're right, joe, but don't forget if you're treating people like that that are grieving a young unarmed guy they knew that is dead. this is a kid supposed to go to college this month. i think what we are missing i want the governor to understand we are not out of this yet. we haven't even had the funeral. what happened when these kids see their friend laying in the casket? i've been through this more than one time. we are not out of the emotions because all of a sudden we had one good night of marching. what happens when that town has to look at the kid laying in the casket and say why is he dead? we have not approached how we stop this kind of use of excessive force if that is, in fact, what happened. we haven't even learned the name of the policeman yet. >> reverend, how many of these ferguson's are there around the country? >> i don't think it's something every day but i think it's a lot
more than we want to face. we have the choke-hold case in new york where a man 11 times on tape is saying i can't breathe and they keep an illegal choke-hold on him. i think it must cause a real dialogue to sit down and deal with it and sometimes we going to say things that we are uncomfortable with each other, but martin luther king iii and michael brown family and i have a big rally in ferguson on sunday. it's great they demilitarized the police but that doesn't solve the problem and we will be back here again if we don't deal with it. >> i think the cops in staten island wore cameras that tragedy wouldn't have happened. we have been talking about how the situation in ferguson has really been focused on the militarization of local police and it's brought together unlikely groups as diverse as
the aclu and warned about heavily armed police departments. senator elizabeth warren compared the scene to a war zone. senator rand paul wrote in eye time" magazine that we must demillize the police and same thing claire mccaskill said in the great press conference yesterday. if i had been told to get out of the street as a teenager there might be a distinct possibility i would have smarted off but i wouldn't expect to be shot. democratic senator claire mccaskill went to ferguson and she urged restraint. >> my goal over the last 24 hours has been to demilitarize the response. after 9/11 and sometimes knee-jerk fashion, we began equipping police departments with all kinds of tools that had not been typical of policing in this country and maybe it's time to look at all of that and make a determination as to how effective is a show of what is
military force. >> jeremy peters, i thought rand paul's op-ed yesterday was an important one. of course, i do as a republican because it was actually republican who seemed to show a little bit of empathy for this community and say some things that republicans on the national level unfortunately didn't say during the trayvon martin case, but now rand paul is saying. but the militarization of the local police across america, you've reported is causing some real concerns on both sides. >> i think what you're seeing here is a grappling inside the republican party with how to deal with this emerging strain of libertarianism. remember, this is the pear, the law and order party that richard nixon ran in 1968 as tough on crime running against democrats who were soft on crime and that has pretty much been the
republican party's legacy for the last couple of generations and now you have libertarian-minded candidates like rand paul out there saying, look, this is just too much. they see these militarized police forces and say this is everything that should make a conservative nervous about an overreaching state. and, of course, that is making a lot of people uneasy. now what rand paul has done that is really interesting that you haven't seen other republicans do is tie this into civil rights. what he said is, of course, african-americans are going to feel like they are attacked by society when you look at what has happened in ferguson. so whether or not republicans can kind of make those connections and have black voters believe them, believe them that they are sincere i think is an open question but you're starting to hear them talking about it in a way that eve you haven't heard. >> i wrote in politico it's nice for once to have a republican express concerns about the
property rights of african-americans as much as, let's say, a racist ranch owner in nevada. i think rand paul's column yesterday was a pretty important column, katty. you actually have the president and eric holder and rand paul and ted cruz came out yesterday also expressing concern about what going on there. a lot of people are actually starting to come together on this. >> yeah. the speed with which people have come together from both sides of the aisle has been noticeable if you think about the trayvon martin case and that took a little bit longer. let's go to julie pace up on martha's vineyard with the president. you were listening to what the president was saying yesterday and calling for peace. clearly in the context of what he was saying, also him, too, pointing a large degree of responsibility and putting it on the shoulders of the police in ferguson. >> yeah. if you listen to the president's
statement, for a while he was trying to talk to both sides of this. he said it's, obviously, out of bounds for there to be looting and violence against police bus his most pointed comments were pointed to the police themselves basically saying there is no excuse for excessive force. he did have to be careful. there is a lot we don't know about michael brown's death but what we do know about the fallout seems to be pretty clear that there are police officers that were using excessive force and when you talk to white house officials they say a couple of days this week, the president wanted to see if the local and state police that were involved in the situation could manage it themselves. it became clear to him late wednesday night that that was impossible and there was a real need on the white house's part to step in in some way, even if it's just with a presidential statement but to basically put their stamp on this matter and say this is this has just gone too far. >> it really was, willie. mike, we were looking at these still photos. it's insanity.
>> can we get one of those back up the one he is on top of -- you just showed. >> it looks like baghdad. i read somewhere yesterday and maybe, jeremy, you know more about this than me, but leaa lof this cape out of homeland security and excess pentagon supplies go to local police departments? i got to say, if somebody is in my neighborhood with that, i would walk up to them and say -- well, i can't say it on tv, but get the whatever out of my neighborhood now. >> i think one of the open questions here that -- >> go ahead. >> one thing i wonder if you'll see after ferguson is a push in state legislature, city councils to limit what the police departments are able to purchase. i think there is going to be a backlash. the question is how it's dealt with in a legal matter.
>> wow. >> in addition to that, jeremy i mean, the key to these shots we are showing you, the still photo we just showed, if you would take a police manual, reverend, in terms of how not to train a police department, you would be showing these as exhibit a how not to train them. they are aiming at the crowd. aiming at the crowd. nothing is going on other than a demonstration and they are aiming at the crowd. >> the sniper was aiming right at a nonviolent protest and i think that those are the things that are frightening and only further agitate this kind of hostility and, again, it only is real feelings for a man told to get out of the street. rand paul is right and all we were saying since last weekend. what did he do and why? i don't want that to get lost in
all of the cumbayah's that we are doing in ferguson now. >> if you look at the earlier video with the police lines up there. you know what happened yesterday? captain ron johnson the new head of command of this said there are no more police lines. the cops fall to the side and you can preserve the police and make sure there is no looting but people will walk peacefully. that is what they did. when they dropped the lines and put down the sniper weapons. the police had to come in and do something. there was looting and violence but it got way out of hand yesterday. >> julie pace, thank you very much. greatly appreciate it. jeremy, stay with us. >> thanks. still ahead on "morning joe," we are going to have missouri governor jay nixon. he'll be here and also a man who is going to be bringing his expertise to help the ferguson police this weekend, former chief of police for dekalb county, georgia, dr. cedric alexander. up next, robin williams' wife
drops a bombshell saying other actions may have contributed to robin williams death. and russian aid to ukraine. >> toys and cookies. >> toys and cookies. very big toys. let's bring in bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> good morning to you, joe. it looks like summer may never arrive in the great lakes. it's just been an unbelievably cool summer and temperatures 5 to 10 degrees every single day below average. look at this morning. if i showed you just this map, you'd probably tell me this was october. it is 38 degrees in cadillac, michigan. 37 degrees in land o lakes wisconsin. 51 in pittsburgh and the big cities, low 60s this time of the year. usually when it's hot and humid at night. in the middle of august is
unbelievable weather. there is a return of heat and humidity in the country this weekend. it's starting all right and with it showers and storms. if you're traveling through the central plains today, including areas of minneapolis all the way down to iowa you could dodge showers and storms. let me take you through your weekend forecast. starting with today, absolutely gorgeous afternoon. as good as it gets mid-atlantic into the northeast. the southeast not bad but florida will have typical storms. the one hot spot through the weekend is going to be san antonio, houston to dallas. about a hundred degrees each and every day. you have to feel for the football players who are out there and all of those sports teams on the field. showers and storms from the midwest will begin to arrive in the ohio valley in the northeast. not a washout. overall it looks like a pretty nice weekend. as we continue to deal more with fall in the northern half of the country than the middle of summer. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪
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♪ let's take a look at the morning papers. this from the "l.a. times" speculation about robin williams and he problems with addiction. the widow said williams has beginning to experience parkinson's disease. he said robin's sobriety was impact and he was brave as he struggled with depression and anxiety and early stages of parkinson's disease which he was not ready to share publicly. police say williams took his own life in his home on monday. ukraine officials are concerned the aid convoy might support pro-russian rebels. they are checking all trucks in
the international red cross. they say the kremlin is agreeing to have the cargo checked. since the conflict began between the two countries four months ago, 2,000 people have been killed. the philadelphia inquirer. pope francis was greeted by tens of thousands of enthusiastic supporters at a public mass. during the service, he urged young catholics to renounce materialism. on his arrival on thursday, the pope chose to travel in a compact automobile, and nbc anne thompson had the chance to speak to him on the plane ride from rome to seoul. >> reporter: when i met him, i had to ask him about all of the speculation that perhaps he would come to the united states. so i asked him a very direct question in italian. i said will you come to philadelphia? and he said, yes. he went on to mention world family day. world family day will take place in philadelphia in september of
2015. but there is nothing official yet from the vatican. they don't put out the official word about a papal trip until six months beforehand so we have got a ways to go. >> maybe the pope coming to the states. don't you love that? don't you love that he travels in that? >> along with the dancing hamsters. he's a hip guy. >> he is very hip. >> we will be talking to father kevin o'brien from georgetown later in the show about the importance of this trip for the pope. the daily mail. a total of nearly 35,000 dollars was stolen from the accounts of passengers of missing flight mh-370. they transferred funds from the bank accounts of three passengers into the account of a fourth passenger. money was withdrawn in 5,000 increments until the accounts were empty. authorities have identified those behind the transactions but are garthering more evidenc
before they proceed. new york daily news. andrew cuomo was in the country to show solidarity with the jewish state. the tunnels they made to infiltrate israeli. he also met prime minister benefiting anyone maet benjamin netanyahu and sharon. "wall street journal." coca-cola will buy a stake in the energy drink company monster beverages for over $2 billion. the company looks to rebound while soda sales continue to slow. coke will acquire nearly 17% stake in monster but could increase that stake up to 25% the next four years. the energy drink stock was up
over 20% in after-hours trading yesterday. "usa today" a red 1962 ferrari was the most expensive car to be sold at an auction yesterday going for more than $38 million. the car was reinstructed by the italian automaker following a crash in 1962 which increased its value. it is 1 of only 39 of its type ever made. >> what is the monthly on something like that if you leaved it? 38 million. >> took them a long time -- >> work a deal with the format. >> 48 months or maybe 60 months. >> for 48 million i'll put in the floor matter for you is what the dealer told him. mika's mom will be featured in this weekend's "the washington post" magazine. a senior writer for the magazine interviewed emily brzezinski in her sculpture studio saying she is carving an international reputation with her family's
trees. pick a copy of "the washington post" this weekend or catch it online this morning. mike barnicle, something happened today many, many years ago. >> that's right. woodstock. 1969. john heilemann is still up there. >> i think he is. >> 45 years. >> yeah. incredible. that was an incredible event. i was not there. my brother was there right before he went to vietnam actually. >> is that right? >> yeah. and he is still trying to clear the smoke from his ears after that. but that was the end of the '60s. >> yes, it was, thank god. coming up, major league baseball names its successor to commissioner bud selig. we will find out if the new guy gets the barnicle stamp of approval. an example why you should never go to the locker room angry. this is great! "morning joe" sports is coming up next.
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mlb executive tim brosnan had been in the running but dropped out before the start of the balloting. >> there were more ballots than most people thought. i think there were seven ballots. most people thought it would be one or two. rob manfred is an effective guy and has to deal with issues everybody knows about, the pace of the game. speed up the games. >> what do you do about that? what is the best idea you've heard? >> you sit the umpires down and tell them to call the old strike zone for starters and maybe put velcro on the banned substance list so batters don't get out of the box and fix their gloves 15 or 20 minutes. you tell the pitchers, 20 seconds you got to throw the ball. if you don't throw it the ball over the plate, strike or ball or whatever. >> i like it. let's do highlights. max scherzer on the hill against the pirates. 14 scoreless innings. good for his 14th win also tigers take it 5-2. kansas city royals red hot
royals trailing the a's 2-1 in the sixth. routine flyball in the center but dyson loses it in the sun and can't make the play. he reaches back with his bare hand. oakland knots the game up. next inning tied at 3. base hit. ripped down the right-field line with men on the corners and clearing the bases. royals win and later in the inning, billy butler adds to the lead with a single to the gap in right center. royals win 7-3 and remain a half game over detroit in the a.l. central! >> kansas city! >> they are playing some ball. kansas city is a good team. >> bet them in vegas in the spring. >> did you really? >> yeah, american league pennant, 30-1. >> 30-1? we will get into specifics in the break. i want to know how much you landed on them. 6-1 lead with the braves in the sixth. watch yasiel puig going back and leaping grab against the wall. hangs on. robs the extra bases.
dodgers win 6-4. minor league baseball. el paso chihuahua pitcher during an interview. look in the background. they are knockout punch and doing a sword fight. >> love it. >> a belgium team coach heads into the tunnel frustrated. take this! when we show the replay, watch the guy in the foreground, the bald guy with the glasses. gives you a little look like this. wait for it. that's just nice. >> you got to wait until you're back in the tunnel. coming up on "morning joe," outrage over the ferguson police's handling of protests there. police firing tear gas and rubber bullets into the crowd. things were more peaceful last night. we will talk about what happens
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op-eds. the optics of a national crisis. no matter what you hear about vacations and congressional breaks, august is never a slow news month. wars are launched and hurricanes strike and civil unrest unralves in the streets in ferguson, missouri. when president obama interrupted his vacation on thursday to speak about the crisis in iraq and ferguson he made sure to wear a jacket with an american flag pin on his lapel and speak sternly for the need for healing, peace, and calm.
but he started by talking about the optics. many americans have been disturbed by the images we have seen in the heartland of our country, ed, when something like this happens, the local authorities have a responsibility to be open and transparent. he added it was not an emotional statement, but it was a presidential one and that is what optics are all about. then he went to play golf. jeremy? >> well, i think gwynn is right. optics certainly do matter. i do think a little perspective is probably helpful here. we tend to get in the media rather applectic will presidents in news cycles like this and don't forget how much the media beat up on george bush for going on vacation. this is something we have seen before and i imagine with the next president, we will see again. >> the president should be able to go on vacations. this august one -- i got to say,
he's a cooler customer than me because i, you know, i think the second day in, i would have gotten nervous, we got to go back home. kids will say, what? >> there is never a day on his vacation he's had to deal with some other crisis. >> screw it, i'm going home. this was not meant to be. i don't know. i'd have trouble golfing. it's not a knock on this president or the last president. remember the last president said something about iraq and then said, hey, watch me hit this drive. no, no! no! >> this president didn't just release a statement. he did come out live and made a statement. >> that was good for him. >> and two on ferguson. i think he was on his post. >> he kneed to but you got to be able to compartmentalize really well. then we have rand paul. i thought rand paul's op-ed was fascinating. katty you were talking about it
before that rand paul is an interesting guy. he talked about the militarization of police but he also talked about how there is an uneven application of justice in america based on race and if you don't believe that, then you're not living in the real world. that's not something you hear from republicans on the national level. >> he's interesting, isn't, he rand paul? because he does seem to say what he's thinking. he's a rare politician in the sense of american politics of somebody who is edging towards a run for the presidency but doesn't seem to let that make his statements canned. and so many american politicians in his position who are thinking of a presidential run are so careful about every single thing they say. there may be reasons that rand paul feels he wants to reach out to this particular segment of the community, but he is prepared to turn around to the republican party on this one and say, listen, we have to acknowledge this, there is an uneven application of justice and justice is not equal in this
country. >> i think what is going to be interesting about rand paul and he may have reasons he is reaching out, i agree with you, is not only is he going to change some of the tenor in the republican party, puts pressure on the democratic party because let's not forget the clintons, authors of triangulation and the sister soldier moment. with a rand paul out there, it's going to challenge hillary if she is the presumptive nominee deals with race and a lot of these questions that many of us in the civil rights community question the clintons about. rand paul could be something of use to all sides here. >> be interesting on that issue. be interesting on war. be interesting on wall street. he shakes things up, no doubt go. still ahead on "morning joe," we are actually going to have governor jay nixon here. he stepped in, of course, sending the straight troopers to calm the situation in ferguson, missouri. we are going to ask him what
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welcome back to "morning joe." a canadian man is probably locked up son of the year award already this year. his name is corey waden. said his mother always wanted this old 1973 saab and dreaming about it her whole life. a year of searching and a year of saving money he handed her an envelope with a set of keys. she had been out of a job for a year or so and fallen on tough times and knew she wanted this. gave her the keys and led her to the parking lot. >> what is that? [ screaming ] >> you're kidding me! >> wadden says he set off on that challenge after his mom
lost her job two years ago. he says his ultimate goal is to earn enough money so that she can retire and this is just a start. for her. >> if you go through and hear the rest of the crying, when she she finally stopped crying, she said, son, i actually wanted a pacer! >> he misheard her! >> that is why she was crying! >> she wanted the amc pacer! >> friday morning, we will enjoying this little moment. >> she is laughing and she had, i can't believe how dumb you are. no. that was a nice moment. katty was about to cry there. i feel bad. >> and joe gets the bucket of ice water. >> i'm sorry. it was actually a gremlin. >> that was a good car too! >> i miss amc! i really do! those weren't the ones that blew up, were they? >> no. that was the pinto. >> the corvair.
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welcome back to "morning joe." mike barnicle, katty kay and reverend al sharp attorneyton still bus. john heilemann in washington and associate editor for the "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. what were you saying about the watch talker? >> you said it was a great song
and i was mocking that as saying it's not a very conversial opinion. kind of like saying pedro martinez is a great pitcher. >> one of the great sons in rock history and so great that bob dylan when he hears all along the watch talker he doesn't think of it as a bob dylan song but -- >> much better. >> i would prefer just to have been able to say great song. >> so tiring! >> 45 years ago today. we think john heilemann was there stoned at the -- >> there he is. >> woodstock. some incredible moments at woodstock as we play the music and listen to the film. jimi hendrix too. do you have a moment, john? >> i think jimi hendrix was it. star-spangled banner there was pretty out of control. >> ritchie valens saying freedom was incredible.
>> ritchie havens. >> what did i say? >> ritchie valens. >> he died with the big bopper. >> wouldn't it have been awesome if ritchie valens was there? that would have been a moment. >> what am i smoking right now? >> richie havens made up that song on the spot too. >> did he really? >> yeah. he just started strumming. he needed something to do to fill the time. he started strumming and said -- ♪ freedom freedom >> it sounded a little bit better than that but it was a remarkable moment. you look at that. >> so many drugs were consumed at woodsck that weekd. to ask john heilemann about that. >> that's not the point. >> i think for a lot of people that was actually the point. all right. that would have been something, actually, if richie valance had been there. >> traffic jam almost as bad as the one that was caused over in ft. lee about 40 years later.
>> exactly okay. clean us up there. >> do we have the news? >> why don't we go to the news. we have the governor from missouri, jay nixon, is here. and had some questions we want to ask him and get an update on how things are going on the ground. first, let's set it up. >> a good day to get him. in in ferguson, hope now that after days of violent protests the deadly police shooting of an unarmed teen may be coming to an end. for the first time in five nights police were not involved in heated clashes with demonstrators. the change came after democratic governor jay nixon put the state's highway patrol in charge of security there. that man highway patrol captain ronald johnson you can see there walked with protesters in the streets later in the day. president obama also spoke publicly for the first time about the death of 18-year-old michael brown and the violence that followed. >> let's remember that we are all part of one american family. we are united in common values
and that includes belief in equality under the law. respect for public order and now is the time for healing and now is the time for peace and calm on the streets of ferguson. now is the time for an open and transparent process to see that justice is done. >> with us now we have got the governor of missouri, jay nixon. governor, thank you so much for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. i guess most of america looking at missouri would agree with you this is not what we think of when we think of your state. but what happened? how did things spiral out of control so much and why did it take so long for the state to respond? >> well, it was a tough week. obviously, the killing of this 18-year-old man kind of scratched an old wound really when you look at the long-term issues that have been out there. you know, we were, on monday, we
called for that separate investigation by justice so that we have parallel investigations and went into the churches after that. as we saw the acceleration, both in the tone, as well as in the armor, i knew it was time to make a change and why yesterday i gave the order to put the highway patrol in charge and i think over the first -- first 20 hours, captain johnson and the team from missouri highway patrol have done a good job of calming things down and open up the ability for people to speak their voice, but keep folks at the same time. >> governor, we are concerned here and, obviously, a lot of people in washington have expressed their concerns about the militarization of local police across america and this certainly is probably going, should be a watershed moment. are you concerned about the militarization of the police there in missouri? is there some legislation that can be passed in your state and other states to stop this from happening again? >> it's a very real issue. making sure that the force you
have reflects what is needed in law enforcement and in the military is extreme important. in this situation, clearly, bringing in that -- the huge armor things incited the opposite reaction among some folks and, quite frankly, folks felt like they were under siege and that is not what policing is. i was involved in the early '90s as we move forward on community policing and involved in officers and schools. the bottom line is when police forces work the best, they are part of their community and called on for help when their community is in need. not a separate force to control that community. and, consequently, this is a really clear example, i think, of a discussion we need to have. not only about some of these underlying racial issues and the challenges we face there, but from a law enforcement perspective what is the adequate force to protect folks, but not intimidate a community or take
away folks legitimate first amendment rights. >> tom jackson says the name of the pliveolice officer will be released later this afternoon. mike? >> governor, that will also help in calming the situation down. i think the release of more information about exactly what happened to the victim, how it happened. but my question to you is in the wake of captain johnson of the highway patrol operating the way police ought to behave in situations like this, has there been any thought given to the future of the ferguson, missouri, police department? what happens to that department? >> well, i mean, we are one night through this and, obviously, we had a calm night last night relative to where we have been zero arrests. we were up this morning and out again today. i'll be over there once again myself just to monitor and be with a number of community leaders. as i said before, i think this brings a bigger discussion not only about police departments both small and large, and their tactics and how they are
organized and how they need to reflect the communities that they serve, not only in their disparity, but in their tone. secondly we need to get justice in this case and move forward in a transparent way and i've been calling for the name to be released for some period of time. the justice department and the local investigations need to move forward to get justice in this case. there's a lot of guideposts and markers between now and the finish line what has occurred that started last weekend in ferguson. and we are all going to be working hard to keep people together during these next difficult coming weeks. >> reverend al? >> governor, i think that many people, as you know, i came down and i'm on my way back it request of the family, i came down. a lot of people were disappointed in the slow pace, it seemed, that the state and others came forward. and it took the arrest of these reporters to deal with a buildup that i saw earlier in the week when the looting was over. many of us denounce the the
looting. now we still have the case of an 18-year-old young man killed that shouldn't be lost in this. this is the show me state. people want to see what is going to happen to deal with the underlying racial issues and the rights of this young man who was unarmed and killed and what is going to happen going forward. i think what you did is admirable in terms of finally getting in and putting the state police there, but that doesn't solve the real problem of why we're here in the first place and that is the killing of michael brown. >> i agree, that the horrific incident that started this still needs to be finalized here and justice needs to be served. that is why early on monday, i called for a separate investigation, dual investigation by the department of justice as well as the locals so we would have an ability to make sure that we were getting this moved forward. i think it's great news today that after a great deal of prodding that they are going to be releasing the name of the
officer. i think other things in this investigation that need to get out. the public can deal with the truth and they can deal with the facts and i think that we need to get those out. but the point you make, the ultimate point of a bigger question here, as i said the other night at the church, this is almost like a wound that is old that has been made fresh. and i think the responsibility we have to make sure that -- that -- that changes occur because of this, that that a deeper understanding and a closer relationship between safety and law enforcement and are all important but we are not getting that done until we get justice and that requires us to give these two agencies that are working hard the ability to get those decisions, but i do think it's an important step forward and i'm glad they are going to release the name of that officer. >> back to the question that mike barnicle asked you and broaden it out a little bit. beyond the question of the ferguson police department and its behavior, this whole incident this week has raised questions for a lot of people about the militarization of local police across the country
and something we have seen, especially in the wake of 9/11, you have a lot of police officers, good ones, bad ones alike who write speeding tickets all day long and in situations like this are called upon to use essentially heavy artillery in these situations. do you have a view about this? whether this should call into question whether we should try to demilitarize our police in a broader way? >> i think it's a very legitimate discussion. we have seen an acceleration in the lethality of attacks. folks out there got a lot of high-powered weapons and have bombs and all sorts of stuff, terrorists and stuff and we need to make sure we have a force to meet whatever the challenge is. having m-wraps rolling up and down the middle of streets in the middle of protests is not going to calm people and get to the healing place where voices can be heard and safety managed. we have seen a situation here in which that militarization caused exactly the opposite reaction in
my view as to what it normally should. instead of bringing safety, it brought less safety in this situation because people felt diminished and felt controlled in their own community. i think this is a very clear example of how the proper force strength is important and i do think we have seen a significant trend towards militarization which, if not used correctly with these forces, can have troublesome reacttions. >> governor, thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. best of luck out there. i hope things calm down and stay calm. >> thank you. we will stay right on it. >> thank you so much. >> we need to get him back and get an update next week. let's go from what is happening in missouri to national news and national politics. fascinating poll out. hillary clinton return to the political debate appears to be taking a toll in her poll numbers against potential white
house rivals. a new poll shows she has forfeited double digit advantages and she has lost a significant edge with independent voters too. she still is comfortably ahead against possible candidate rand paul and holding on to a seven-point lead over jeb bush too. still the numbers show a closing gap. governor chris christie, since february. >> gene robinson, let's go to you. there has been some questions over the past week or two, especially that atlantic interview about hillary's inevitability. reverend al was talking about race issues. you also have, of course, wall street issues. you also have what i've said for some time she is nor of a neocon and more of a neocon than republicans like rand paul. these polls also show her book tour has cost her a lot of support.
a book tour! we were asking before this segment, what has happened? why does she appear so tone deaf and stiff? she has done this before. >> nothing is inevitable. second, it was not the greatest book tour, right? >> no. >> she did not -- she seemed, to say that she seemed a step slow, i think, is a real understatement. but, you know, i think this reflects kind of a normalization of opinion polls and, frankly, of opinion too when people are out of sight and out of office, they tend to become more popular than when they are in our face and we think about them as potentially president of the united states. but, you know, if you had to put money down now on who gets the democratic nomination if she wants it, if she decides to run,
you still have to put your money on hillary clinton, i think, and also she may not be in mid season form, but you have to assume that she's going to perform better than she has the last couple of months. >> john heilemann, who is around hillary clinton right now? who is her team that tells her what to do or says what not to do? have they been on vacation this summer? >> i think it's a great question because the answer is she does not right now have a campaign infrastructure. i think one of the questions that will be asked in retrospect in this book tour which was a soft launch of a president campaign but not treated internally as such and so she was not, i think, extraordinarily well prepared for the kind of political questions she has faced. it is one of the biggest questions going forward for her is what is her team going to look like and there is a massive scrum of old become hands and hillary clinton hands and new hillary clinton hands and state department hands and all
jockeying for position and that shakeout has not happened. she doesn't have a nucleus and she hasn't picked those people and she has to figure it out pretty soon. right now, it's not chaos but a lot of people are trying to get -- claim some real estate in her orbit and until that gets clearer and until there is, like, someone who is actually in command and somebody is in charge of strategy and tactics there is going to continue to be, i think, this kind of ham handedness or whatever she has displayed. >> gene, did you, off of what john was just saying, did you, in reading the interview with jeffrey goldberg of "the atlantic" did you glean any subtle campaign messages that might emerge from that interview? we have all made a big flap over her disagreements with the obama administration and foreign policy, but was there anything else in there that struck you? >> that was the main thing that jumped out at me, actually, what seemed to be a clear differentiation between her and
president obama over foreign policy. you know, not that they have completely different ideas about everything, but a clear difference. i didn't see a lot else that told me one way or another, except under argue the fact she did that long interview in that manner is a step forward running. you could see it that way. >> reverend, is hillary inevitable? >> i don't think so. i think there could be a challenge. i think that -- >> should there be a challenge? >> i wouldn't say it should be or shouldn't be. i mean, i want to see how -- >> would you like to see a challenge? come on, reverend al! don't be a politician. would it be better for the democratic party? >> look at that face. >> you're dealing with the obama -- we will see. i think her challenge is going to be, though, if she's a
nominee and i think she runs, she may be challenged, she will be the nominee, is how does she deal with the differences she thinks she has to have with president obama and still rally out the base of the democratic party. that's going to be a challenge. >> the base of the democratic party as peggy noonan wrote in "wall street journal" she is sounding like john mccain on foreign policy. >> burly. >> that is an interesting term. says she has a burly foreign policy. >> might be too heavy for us to lift. >> that's what i'm wondering if it's not better for progressives that there is challenge so she doesn't start darting right. >> that is going to be the challenge. how do you give enough to the center that her and her husband played in the '90s without alienating the turnout you're going to need and the lack of turnout could help a republican. don't forget with the great '60s
we all mromanticized and ended with nixon winning because humphrey could not keep the base. >> she is still ahead and going strong. >> you talk about the turnout of the liberal base and it's so extraordinarily important. 2012 wasn't hope and change. i went to some of those obama rallies. i know you went to a lot of them. there was not excitement in the crowd. i almost fell asleep at a couple of them. i said, my god, he is going to lose. then you go to the romney rallies and people are screaming and going crazy, 30,000, 35,000. that was all turnout. yeah. you go so far to the center of the right that you make your liberal base mad, you don't have all of the people calling and getting on facebook and texting and working around the clock for somebody that sound like they are neocon that very comfortable with wall street. that's not the formula. let's move on, i guess, more
information on robin williams? >> new information on his death. the late actor's wife said the actor was having signs of parkinson's disease. he struggled with his own battles of depression and anxiety as well as early stages of parkinson's disease which he was not yet ready to share publicly. the news of his disease came as a shock to many, including actor michael j. fox who also has parkinson's. he tweeted, quote, stunned to learn robin had pd. pretty sure his support for our foundation predated his diagnosis. a true friend. i wish him peace. williams is seen here attending fox's benefit a decade ago in new york. let's bring in nbc news chief medical correspondent dr. nancy snyderman. nancy, we don't know exactly where he was in this faces of his parkinson's disease, right? >> that's right. we won't really know anything
until the coroner continues and completes and releases the data about the autopsy and that includes toxicology reports. it's one thing to be diagnosed early on with early symptoms that may or may not interfere with life and another thing to see if there were substances in his body, alcohol, cocaine, you name it, or even medicines that could treat parkinson's. so until that is out, we really don't know. but i think it's very important right now, while we have had a moment with robin williams' death to really seriously talk about mental illness in this country. depression, manic depression, bipolar disease and suicide in a way that perhaps we haven't talked about before. if or if he did not have parkinson's, i worry that the real concerning issue of mental illness might get derailed a little and i just want to warn people, we won't know until we know and until then, we should keep the bigger conversation
going. >> all right, dr. nancy, thank you so much. we appreciate it. coming up on "morning joe," forget the football games and fraternities. how one man is shaking up higher learning by stripping out everything but the kaeducation d how it could mean the end of college as we know it. up next a man who brings his expertise to help ferguson police this weekend. former chief of police dekaekal county, georgia, dr. cedric alexander. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. ♪ don't just visit new york.
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7:24 in the morning. let's get more on ferguson and what is happening down there. here with us now from atlanta is the national president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives and public safety director of dekalb county, georgia, dr. cedric alexander who is heading down to
ferguson, missouri, to pleat with the police chief down there. doctor, what did they do wrong down there in ferguson? >> i think the fact that a lot of is beginning to turn for the best of that community i think is a very good sign. but something reverend sharpton said very, very early on, we still got a way to go here and this is still very early in its embryo stages of this process of healing. let me say this. in terms of noble, one of our main objectives will be when i get on the ground there tomorrow is to sit down and talk with the local chiefs. i've been in communication with chief jackson there in ferguson, and we're going to have some very direct and very honest conversation about some changes and help that we are going to be able to employ and help move his police department and any other agency in that area forward in
creating an environment in which the community feel good about its police department and they feel good about the community as well too. so we are looking forward to that opportunity. i hope we can build that bridge which very clearly has been challenged, was not there in the beginning. >> doctor, before we get to the composition of the ferguson police department and what that mean and entails within the community and other communities around the country, could we just spend a few seconds. i would like you your point of view on the training practices and not just to single out the ferguson police department, but the ferguson police department is the one that we have visual evidence of. >> right. >> in terms of training, in terms of high tense situations like the ferguson police department were dealing with, the repeated pictures we see of police officers armed like the first airborne division aiming, aiming at crowds during the course of marches, nothing has taken place.
this is after the looting, but aiming at crowds from the top of armored personnel carriers. what do you do as a training officer for other police departments to prevent this from happening? >> well, this is certainly going to be a learning scenario i believe for law enforcement across the country. and one thing that we will gain from this or learn from this, in situations where you have any kind of event where you have peaceful protesters who are making their point, for whatever reason, we certainly have the responsibility of law enforcement of keeping people safe, but perception mean a lot to people. to be able to go into a community where there's a peaceful protest and being supportive of that protest and not having the appearance of being threatening or trying to start a fight, if you will, is very important. so there is going to be lessons learned here. some things that happen there could have been avoided but,
nevertheless my thought is moving forward, how do we help that community and how we help communities across the nation avoid what we just saw here very recently in ferguson. >> dr. alexander, one of the things that is very, very disturbing and mike barnicle referred to it, you have 53 police in ferguson, only three black, in a city that is 67% black. in your discussions over this weekend with chief jackson, how will you talk to him? i know a good word that noble does, how will you talk to him about how he must have a police department that more reflects the demographics of the city that he is chief in? and, at the same time, how do we deal with the african-american community in getting some of them to seek to also be officers and be recruited? i think you have a two-prong kind of challenge here. >> well, that's a great question
and i've already began that discussion with chief jackson. several times i've had an opportunity to speak with him. i made it very clear that we are going to have to look at his hiring and diversity of the program there in that department, because it is not acceptable today. if you look at the military, if you look at private industry, if you look at education, you look at government, diversity is at the for froefront. that is one of the missteps and we are going to have straight and forward conversation around diversity in his department. we as noble also have a responsible to help him in developing programs around diversity as well too. he is willing. he is open. that is the first step and that is good. in terms of the community itself, the community has a share of responsibility with the police department to sit down and have communication and have
dialogue about how do we begin even in our high schools, reverend sharpton, developing programs and pipelines from high school right into police department, colleges into police department. there are a lot of young men and women i'm sure across the country and in the state of missouri that would love to police in that community but there are things we have to do to let them know they want to be recruited, we want them to be a part of the law enforcement community here in missouri and they, as a police department and as a city and as a community and as a state, have a responsibility in helping that recruitment process as well. >> dr. alexander, this is eugene robinson. in your conversations with chief jackson, did he give you any idea of why we don't have a more coherent narrative from the police point of view of what happened to michael brown? why is there so little information as to what happened?
>> well, we have had conversation as well, eugene, and one thing that i pointed out to him is the fact the more you're able to disclose information to your community around this case, you're going to move through this process a little bit easier. now, i'm not on the ground there with him. i will have that conversation with him again on tomorrow morning, and try -- and during the time i'm there, try to help him as much as i can going through whatever it is that he may have. what is it that he can release to the community to help them feel better about what is going on. because what we consistently hear there is a lack of transparency but being respectful to the investigation itself, which is clearly very important, i want to make sure that there's opportunities and information that we can share with the community. we need to get that out. that is going to be part of the conversation and goal that we
are going to try to achieve on tomorrow and over the weekend. >> dr. cedric alexander, thank you for joining us and good luck down there in ferguson where they clearly need some assistance in trying to sort out what are a host of problems in the police department down there. coming up after days of severe flooding, will this weekend see more extreme weather? bill karins is tracking it for us with "morning joe's" weather center coming up right next. ♪ she's still the one for you.
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welcome back to "morning joe." when is the last time anyone remembers a summer like this in d.c.? we haven't had many of those hazy hot and humid days ago, low humidity, beautiful sunshine. what an august. as we go through the great lakes, i still get to find anyone that will admit to it but somebody had to turn their heat on in their house last night. we are in the 30s. there could be even a frost out there in some spots. 37 right now in cadillac, michigan. we went all the way down to the 40s as far south as lansing and cool crisp 53 in chicago. the great lakes remain very cool but the warmth is returning and it will be hot this weekend from oklahoma spreading north wards. we have showers and storms out there today if you're traveling in the central plains. here is your weekend forecast. texas, definitely one of the hottest spots. 100 today and san antonio and dallas near a hundred.
even denver and kansas city warming it back up. i mentioned how perfect it is, though, the mid-atlantic, southeast, and even through the great lakes after a chilly morning. a great afternoon. as we head through the weekend, the heat continues to expand to the north. back up into the 80s for chicago and minneapolis. as far north as boise into the 90s. new england holds on to one more great day and same with the mid-atlantic. then get warmer and more humid. we will add showers to the northeast on sunday. it's just amazing, joe, how the lack of humidity this summer and how many beautiful clear mornings we have had. only three weekends left until labor day. it's crazy. >> thank you so much. i appreciate it. i was actually saying to kay -- >> declaring summer over. >> i'm very depressed. bill, i was saying to my 11-year-old daughter when we had snow on the ground in, like, late march. i said, you know, it's not florida. >> nope. >> and you have to put up with the snow but once it gets warm, you got -- it's the truth.
you got four, five months of gorgeous weather up here like nothing i've ever seen and we have had a beautiful, beautiful summer. >> winter in the south and summer is in the north. >> i did say, i tweeted back in july, early july summer is finally here and somebody in minnesota said, no, it's not. >> they are still waiting. >> it's unbelievable. you're right. they are still waiting for summer to come up there. >> there's some lake temperatures in the great lakes that are still in the upper 40s. it just hasn't been a great summer there. >> if you're a retiree, i have one word for you in minnesota. boca vista, baby. from the war in afghanistan to willie nelson's smoke-filled cover story. we are going to dip into willie world and get a look through "rolling stone" editor coming up. ♪ on the road again
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>> with us is "rolling stone" managing editor will dana with a new issue featuring willie nelson. fascinating stories that we are hearing just on the set about willie. you go inside it's meandering piece on willie nelson and willie world. some of the quotes jump out at me here. he's kind of reminds me of that churchill quote a riddle wrapped in an enigma. johnny cash said he is someone you never know him like you should. >> he's been around since the '50s on the scene and been in the middle of everything. i think is there a feeling that no one feels they quite know
him. he is always half a step ahead of everybody. he keeps it all inside. comes out in his songs. he doesn't really speak about the songs articulately but the emotion all goes into the work. >> he keeps moving. how old he is? >> 81. >> you say he is a better guitarist today. >> his long time guitar player died few years back so he is the lead guitar player in his band. they say he is still taking guitar lessons and he has an unusual style because it's almost precountry the way he plays and is very jazz oriented. so he really brings something else that no one else in the world of country brings to his music. >> do you think he's been influential? if you think about the range of the career if you go back to him and waylon jennings, do you think he is a seminal kind of country musician influenced a lot of people or kind of an
island? >> i think an island. what he ask does is so weird and complicated you can't copy it. it was jazz and standards and wasn't country until later in his life. when he was writing songs in nashville in the '60s he had a problem he wasn't getting a lot of stuff recorded because his chords were so complicate in the machines where this they had to crank out three songs in an hour. the guys couldn't learn his songs fast enough so he never quite had the success of some of the, you know, top level of success when he was a national so songwriter. he wrote like crazy but couldn't roll them out. >> do you think he is underrated as a songwriter? when people think of willie nelson they think of their ear and what they hear. if you listen to the lyric and each song. one quote from the piece from kris kristofferson. >> he phrased like a jazz singer.
>> i think part of the songs are so deceptive. they are much more complicated than they sound at first. >> yeah. >> seems like he is "on the road again" songs and very sophisticated and complicated. i think literally like this guy is like the ultimate uniter. you got red-necks and hippies. you got jazz, country. it's like everything comes together in willie nelson. >> he still is on the road, what, two weeks out of two? >> yeah. >> still performing the whole time at 81? unbelievable. >> he says in this sad moment, like, if -- i'm afraid if i stop moving i'm going to die. >> he is driving around the country in a vehicle that is powered by grain alcohol, i believe. he has a totally green car and then there is a lot of green inside the car as well. >> yeah. >> he has his 84-year-old sister who has been in his band since day one. >> really? >> she is 84 years old, his big
sister. he learned this stuff when they were kids. she was taking piano lessons and he was hearing at the time in house and that is how he learned music. >> his sister is in the band? >> yes. she's the piano player. >> it's a totally family touring thing. >> amazing. his kids in the band part-time also. >> he is a pure singer. if you listen to the couple of cover albums we were just talking about, he is covering the standards and singing paul simon. he is an extraordinary. the voice really just apart from everything else the voice is amazing and he can cover other people's songs as well as anybody. >> sinatra said he was his favorite singer. >> did he really? that ain't bad. you talk about a tough critic. that is about as tough as they come. >> sinatra praising willie nelson who is still out today, you can see him next week. >> let's talk about some other piece you have in here. the end of good times in kabul. i never knew there were good times there but if there were,
they are over. >> a bubble of good times in the middle of kabul. >> yeah. 2012. the summer of love. that is over. what is the story? tell us. >> the story is that, you know, with the troop drawdown and the prospect of americans leaving and presidential elections in afghanistan the war came into the city for the first time. westerners who felt safe inside of kabul basically since 2008 when obama started surging the troops. there was all of this money and people coming in all of a sudden. and that ended, you know, with a shocking bang over the winter when a bunch of journalists got murdered and some of the restaurants and clubs where the westerners hung out got bombed. one of the most popular fixtures in the city. all of the jusournalists went through. >> matthew aikens who wrote the piece not his first dance over there. >> i think he has been there since 2008.
>> he writes they are desperate to get down and activities have closed up like clams. the boone town has come and gone like a dream. even the president's promise to end the war, we are leaving behind a country whose fate is more uncertain than ever. you cannot tell which way this country is going to go but none of the options look very good. >> there is just -- there is no structure in place to take our place. >> i think our hope is importing willie nelson. >> he united our country and unite their country. >> come back next month. new issue of "rolling stone" is out. great article on willie nelson and pick it up at the newsstands. if you're a republican, you can read it and then, you know, burn it, whatever you want to do. still ahead, how the pope is
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to the beautiful strains of the theme song from scarborough country, martin lawrence, tom hanks, mark zuckerberg all live together. that's where louis j. bergdorf iii. hollyweird. >> break out your light saver, forrest gump. it's time to get hollyweird. speculation is running rampant about this picture posted on instagram outside of "star wars episode 7" london set. the project is set to resume filming later this month now that harrison ford is on the road to recovery. hans solo broke his leg during filming in june and there's no official word on whether luke skywalker will play a part in the blockbuster but speculation is what we do best here. "bad boys 3" is coming near you. it's 19 years since the original. martin lawrence just confirmed that there's a threequel on the
way telling conan o'brien, quote, i just talked to jerry bruckheimer and he said it's real. they're working on a script, they're getting close and it all looks good. now we just have to see if will smith was telling the truth when he said -- >> bad boys for life. >> and in the most ironic move of 2014, tom hanks has launched a typewriter app. yesterday the most trusted man in america relaxed hanks writer. no longer must you surrender to modern luxuries like the delete day. with the hanx writer you'll hear the rhythm of your work. finally the als ice bucket challenge has been taking the country by storm for the worthiest of causes. now adam levine, justin timberlake and jimmy fallon have taken part in an effort to raise awareness. even joe and mika submitted to the soaking. now the movement is making its way to the titans of tech. >> here we go.
that was really cold. >> what you didn't see was mark zuckerberg challenge bill gates. i can't wait to see how that turns out. back to you, joe. >> thank you, louis. so how did this bucket thing all start? of course it came to us through thomas. >> it began with a young man, peter fratus, played baseball at boston college. tragically came down with als. he's 29 or 30 years of age and he began this. he and his friends, his wife and his family began this about five or six weeks ago and it has literally gone coast to coast. it's gone viral. >> it's crazy how much money they have been able to make. that's the great point about this because i think there's been a lot of reaction to some people saying make sure that the donations happen, not just the viral videos, but they have made over $4 million. this is in wild comparison to last year where i think it was in the tens of thousands in the donations that came in, so this
has been a huge jump in donations coming in, which is great. all thanks to that 29-year-old man. >> it really is, and it is important. dump the ice over your head but then give what you can. "morning joe" is giving $10,000. but if you can give $10, $5, whatever you can give, give. and this disease has been with us for far too long. it's time to start making some serious progress. >> was that an instance where you were referring to "morning joe" as a show or morning joe as a show. >> if napoleon is going to take vienna, then take vienna. is "morning joe" is going to contribute, then "morning joe" is going to contribute $10,000. "morning joe" is now going to break. coming up we'll be talking to a local law enforcement officer about local departments being increasingly armed for battle. it's kind of freaking us out around the table. ari melber joins us for that.
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in his final days, robin williams was fighting many internal foes. >> now his widow says the actor and comedian was battling another disease. >> revealing that robin williams had received a parkinson's diagnosis and wasn't ready to reveal it to the world. >> we helped vulnerable people reach safety and we helped save many innocent lives. >> the obama administration
discovered there was no longer a refugee crisis. >> in iraq, fear of an imminent coup ended. >> prime minister al maliki agreeing to step down. >> a fourth straight night of clashes turned ferguson's main street into a battlefield. >> some people threw objects,ing through molotov cocktails. >> now is the time for peace and calm on the streets of ferguson. >> we're not talking about wats, 1965, we're talking about ferguson, missouri. >> missouri's governor has relieved local police of their patrol duties. from now on the state highway patrol will patrol the streets. >> why do you have guns on us? >> what happens when they have to look at that kid laying in the casket and people say why is he dead? >> i grew up here and this is my community and my home. therefore, it means a lot to me personally that we break this cycle of violence, tension and feel trust. >> i think that it's very important that we dedemille t r
taerize the response. >> mike barnicle is with us, gene robinson still here. also with us ari melber. thanks for coming in, ari, a lot to talk about today. by the way, one thing we didn't say about the als challenge, lyle lovett, we challenged lyle lovett. he's already way out in front here. >> he beat the clock. >> he beat the clock and he's now asking john hite and other friends to do this too. >> have you got gotten a carol king update? >> we're a huge friend of carol but she's in idaho but there's a time difference so we'll call her today. >> time's on her side. >> jet lag. so anyway, a lot to talk about today. we have the governor as well as al sharpton on over the past couple of hours.
katty, it seems like things are going in the right direction but still a lot of unanswered questions. still a community outrage about the shooting of a teenage boy who was unarmed. >> and we are going to get later today this morning the name of the police officer who shot michael brown so that's one news development but it's the use of military grade weapons and equipment by the police that's drawn criticism from around the country. nbc's ron allen described some of the gear that law enforcement is deploying. >> reporter: residents complained police have acted more like soldiers than cops. st. louis county police officers, seen here in full riot gear, approaching one man are outfitted with submachine guns and assault rifles. earlier this week, tactical officers arrived in a bear cat, an armored vehicle, which can withstand the impact from a 50-caliber machine gun and yesterday pointed in the direction of protesters, a precision rifle with a range of 500 to 800 yards.
>> and i didn't go to iraq to defend iraqis to come home and watch my neighbors get brutalized, responding with tanks and snipers to a peaceful protest is ridiculous and we are showing solidarity. there should be no tanks on u.s. streets. it's absurd. >> that's coming out there to complain. under a federal government program, local departments have been acquiring m-wraps, vehicles that are resistant to ieds for free as they're decommissioned from combat in iraq and afghanistan. despite tight local budgets, these vehicles have been deployed right across america, everywhere from franklin, indiana, to connecticut, to mason city, iowa, to wyoming where the sheriff told the local paper we have to have it to nab the bad guys. groups as diverse as the aclu and the cato institute have warned about heavily armed police departments. senator elizabeth warren has
compared the scene to a war zone. senator rand paul wrote in "time" magazine that we must demilitarize the zone. he said if i had been told to get out of the street as a teenager, there might have been a distinct possibility that i might have smarted off but i wouldn't have expected to be shot. >> when barack obama, rand paul, kato, the aclu, elizabeth warren and ted cruz are all against you, i mean the militarization of local police is crazy. i'm sorry, you look at these people in ferguson and, yes, like willie always said you have to preface it there was rioting, there was looting. as barack obama said that is unacceptable. but there's a lot of police officers in ferguson who looked like they were on a power trip playing soldier. >> i think that's absolutely right. i think that's why there's this fairly universal political condemnation as you mentioned,
joe, and it goes to a bigger point in how we deal with these kind of problems. we still don't know all the facts on the original underlying incident. we could learn something about the interaction between the tragic -- this tragic death, yes, but between how this victim or this suspect acted that might change our view of that fact pattern, right? so that we don't know. >> so exactly. and this is an important point to make. that we don't know how that story ends. >> correct. >> one side says that he charged the police car, tried to get the gun. that would change the fact pattern obviously. others say that he was just shot dead in the middle of the street. but despite that, this opens up ugly wounds that were obviously already festering in this town, plus this issue that i think this has got to be a watershed moment for police departments across middle america.
>> exactly. so when you say we don't know what happened there but then we do have the contemporaneous factual response by the police department to these protests and the response shows excessive force, misuse of these materials and let's be clear, what looks like illegal arrests, when you round up journalists and don't have charges against them, it doesn't look like you had a reason to take them, regardless of the underlying conduct. they don't even claim they have a reason. we don't want to say anyone isn't innocent until proven otherwise and these investigations will continue but we may learn more about the previous record here and whether there have been other incidents. that's something that would be useful as well as we look at the whole picture. >> you know, katty, it obviously has been very disturbing for a lot of people looking from the outside in. we talk about the militarization of it but also if you just look at the racial makeup in that town, the numbers are staggering and just how unrepresentative they are. >> 53 police officers in
ferguson. three of them are black in a population that is 70% black. how is that possibly representative of the population they are trying to serve? >> you're just asking for trouble. >> i want to know what it was like in ferguson a week ago today. what were the tensions like in that community already, that this incident then and the response could lead to this kind of situation, because you can't believe there weren't already tensions in the community with the way that they are being treated. >> we always play this game around the set, what if a republican president did it. the answer always is if the republican president did it, the media would be going crazy. in this case why don't we change the fact pattern as well. what if you had a town that was 70% white in missouri and you had a police department that had 50 our 53 african-americans and white residents felt like they were being pushed around. would it take, i don't know, a month, a week, maybe five minutes for that to change? it has to cause, ari, a lot of
anger there as well. we had bill bratton on the other day. he cleaned things up in l.a., he talks about community policing. this is something i thought we figured out 10, 15, 20, 25 years ago. but obviously they still haven't figured this out in ferguson. >> right. and you're putting your finger on a key point. people often say we don't know what was in the mind of an individual officer. we can't prejudge whether race was a factor. that's something the civil rights division of the justice department is looking into. but, joe, you're nailing the fact that we do know the fact there is a structural race problem here. even if the individual officer wasn't motivated by race, there are disparities that are very problematic and that's why senator paul is speaking out on this issue is so interesting and your op-ed today makes that point. we can't just look at this and say here is militarization, here are scenes we don't like and don't want policing and functioning this way. we have to also look at the structural inequities that make
it uncomfortable and need reform. >> gene, you and i had a talk, you spoke very poignantly about the warnings that you gave your sons with police officers during the trayvon martin tragedy. >> yeah. >> and you've just -- we're talking about the racial disparities. i ask you the same question, what would have happened in this town if you had a majority of police officers who were african-american and a town that was overwhelmingly white? first of all, it just wouldn't happen, but still, it's outrageous. >> and if it just -- you know, if everybody woke up one day and that's the way things were, it would last five minutes. five minutes is my guess. and that would be completely changed. the earlier conversation we had was about the talk that every african-american parent has with his -- with their son about what to do if you're approached by the police and how to act and not to do anything sudden or
rash because you might get shot. and, you know, that's a fact of life and it shouldn't be that way. you know, when do you hear about white teenagers and white young men just unarmed being shot for mouthing off at the police? you don't hear of that happening. >> no, you don't. >> but it happens with black young men far, far too often. i don't know how many times we have to have this discussion. it's depressing. >> it is so depressing. thomas, as rand paul brought up yesterday in a very important op-ed, i say that as a republican, that a republican is finally speaking out about the disparity and our criminal justice system between whites and african-americans. i mean that's -- we talk about these tragedies, but it also goes to arrests. like, for instance, marijuana arrests, small charges. african-american young men just get absolutely slammed.
and everybody else seems to get a slap on the wrist. >> there's a disparity and you also brought up bill bratton who was on to talk about the open investigation that's taking place in new york, the death of the man who was selling untaxed loose cigarettes in the takedown where he died ultimately after resisting that arrest. so there's the connection between suburban ferguson, missouri, all the way to new york city these problems exist across our country. with us to talk more about this from boston, retired superintendent and chief of the boston police department, dan linski, he's the owner of the consulting security firm. sir, as you listen to us and we have this conversation re-examining where our respect stands for the police departments around the country, is it your opinion that the onus still remains on the police officers, that the onus is on them to not break the law in enforcing the law? >> absolutely.
that's the mission we signed up for, that's what we raised our hand to do. the police officers are there to protect individuals' rights to protest, to disagree and to get their word out in any way they feel they want to. our job is to make sure that no one else interferes with their ability to protest. >> so why do you think they are so off course with what we've been witnessing in ferguson and it really took the arrests of reporters or the suspicion of almost arrests for reporters to really bring this to a boiling point to get national attention? >> clearly tensions were high. the incidents involved, to where looting a store and the fire, the police were probably overwhelmed, probably outnumbered and weren't prepared for it. in those types of situations, we changed or have been changing the way we respond in law enforcement. i was on the teams years ago when we put our riot helmets on and riot gear, we would put our sticks out and we would send the message we're ready for a fight.
the problem is there are a lot of people who actually want to fight the police, they just need to know where to go. there's also a lot of people that don't want to engage in slie violence with the street but they enjoy watching a good fight and like to film it on their iphones. we like to change the tenor and tone where police officers go out before these events, let people know what they're doing, engage the crowd and in fact we did it with occupy boston in our city where we said you want to protest, you want to march without a permit, which streets do you want to go down, and we would actually escort them down the streets in their march. if you're throwing molotov cocktails as police officers, that's a lethal force type situation and you need officers that can come out and respond to that. those officers should be hidden, out of sight. your front line officers should be your community policing officers, the people who know people in the community. they should be surrounding themselves with community leaders, people who might
even -- i would embed the media and bring a cameraman with me. >> dan, let me ask you a question here. we've all seen the visual evidence, we're looking at it now partially while you're on of police officers in ferguson, missouri, on top of mraps in the small streets of a small town clad in better armored equipment than our initial troops had when they went into baghdad when the iraq war began in 2003 and many of them aiming their weapons at the crowd. the weapons are aimed with laser lights at the crowds during a march. what was your reaction when you saw these photos? >> that the commander of that unit would have probably been relieved of duty. somebody obviously isn't in control in setting a tone. whoever the incident commander is for the deployment of those teams needs to be on the front line setting that tone. you need to have those teams
available if someone wants to throw molotov cocktails, shooting firearms, they need to be somewhere to respond in a quick and timely fashion. they got the solution now. you've got the captain from the state patrol who's out leading and walking with the community, making himself available and engaging the community. those weapons, those vehicles, they're appropriate. we had a situation in watertown, massachusetts, where an individual had bombed our citizens and murdered our citizens and attacked our police officers with bombs and firearms. an armored vehicle was the appropriate response in the backyard in watertown. that isn't necessarily the case when people are protesting peacefully. >> dan linskey, thank you so much, we appreciate you coming here. this debate is going to be going on for some time about these armored vehicles. the justice department already getting involved as well, that's certainly going to have an impact. >> and you have the local u.s. attorney as well as the civil rights division, civil rights group of the doj can look specifically at whether there
was misconduct by officers, misuse of their authorities under the color of law and if that results in death, that can go all the way up to a life sentence. that is rare, but that's the kind of inquiry that you have that would help put some local pressure on. what we also know about this, the racial disparities and how these cases are investigated, it's incredibly difficult for local prosecutors and d.a.s to work with the police 99 out of 100 times on going after crimes and then try to turn around and put some of them away. that's a difficult conflict of interest. >> all right, thanks so much. coming up on "morning joe" is college doomed? mika certainly hopes so because if college is doomed, then amelia comes back on monday or tuesday, right? she's driving her -- >> my daughter too. >> that's already paid in full, right? >> the first semester. >> and your daughter is leaving too? >> she's coming up here to columbia next week. >> is she really?
>> around the corner. >> you ask phil about his daughter going to duke. he goes, ah, i don't want to talk about it. he said it's going to be a rough, rough week. >> they shouldn't leave. they shouldn't leave. >> yeah, you say that until they stay. also pope francis breaks some news to nbc about his upcoming plans. it's always sunny in philadelphia, friends, and you may have a pope there next year too. it's a welcome announcement for american catholics and father kevin o'brien is with us for faith on fridays. first here's bill karins with a check of the forecast. joe, two days ago was the ten-year anniversary of hurricane charley and that memorable hurricane sneechb '04, we had charley, jean, francis. the sunshine state was hit by four hurricanes that summer alone. we had arthur, we had bertha, we didn't have a lot of damage and weren't concerned with either of those storms. as we go from the peak of the season, from now the next six weeks, we'll have to see how
active it gets but right now it's as quiet as it gets for the middle of august. we have one tropical wave just coming off the coast of africa. this is where these storms start and then they make the long journey and we'll see if they develop. this one has a 20% chance in the next five days of becoming our next storm. only 20%. let's take a look. we had arthur already, we hadber they a that. the next one would be cristobal. the forecast for the weekend, if you're in the northeast, the great lakes, even down through the mid-atlantic, ohio valley, southeast, perfect friday. low humidity, cool morning, beautiful afternoon. the midwest is where we'll deal with showers and storms today, chicago, st. louis saturday and texas, by the way, is living up to the reputation of a hot august. 100s all weekend from san antonio up to dallas and the sunshine state is anything but lately. a lot of thunderstorms down there from orlando and florida and even tampa as we go through
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when i met him, i had to ask him about all the speculation that perhaps he would come to the united states, so i asked him a very direct question in italian. i said will you come to philadelphia? and he said yes. he went on to mention world family day.
world family day will take place in philadelphia in september of 2015. but there is nothing official yet from the vatican. they don't put out the official word about a papal trip until six months beforehand, so we've got a ways to go. >> a ways to go but a lot of catholics very excited. a lot of americans very excited about the breaking news that anne thompson got that pope francis may very well indeed be headed to the united states next year. going to philly. right now the pope is in south korea, a visit that our next guest says holds big political and religious importance, also some economic importance. he's driving around a kia. let's bring in father kevin o'brien of georgetown university right now. a different pope. he's not even driving in the po popemobile, he's driving in the back of a kia. >> and it's a brand called the kia soul which is a very appropriate name for a car driven with the pope inside. but, you know, it's a sign of
his downscale manner, that he's trying to emphasize a need to simplify and to acknowledge the gap between the rich and the poor. that's a constant refrain in all of these trips he's making, including today in south korea, reaching out to those on the margins so as to hold us all accountable for how we spend our money and how we spend our time. >> father o'brien, another proud jesuit, i know you're another proud jesuit, particularly proud of this pope. his appearance and arrival in south korea, i can't think of -- there are other countries where economic disparity is nearly as wide as it is in korea, but there's quite a gap there. there is also the gap between north and south korea. so what is the symbolism of this pope's arrival in korea, given those two political and economic gaps in the country? >> so john paul ii visited twice
during his long papacy. just like john paul ii, pope francis has talked about korea is one country that is divided. so pay attention the next couple of days as to whether he makes a more explicit outreach to catholics and christians in north korea. one thing he is attempting, korea has one of the largest or the fastest growing economies in the world. the pope has already mentioned a few times the downside of excessive consumerism, which really he says it's a constant refrain of his to note the gap between the rich and the poor. >> father o'brien, how much pushback is the pope getting from inside the vatican? we know what he's doing around the world, we also know what he's trying to do in rome as well, trying to regulate the vatican bank, for example, trying to bring much more light into those secretive corridors of the holy see. do you think that he is getting pushback from within the hierarchy at the vatican or does he seem to be on top of it and
in control of it? >> he's definitely in control of it by all accounts. i think this is one of the stories which is a little hard to talk about outside of the walls of the vatican because it's pretty mundane stuff. he's really trying to take control of the bureaucracy and make some changes in personnel, in the restructuring. he's basically appointed a chief financial officer of the vatican, a cardinal from australia, to try to get the finances in line like any good business or family would do. we've already heard a lot about the reforms in the vatican bank, which is very important, but there's a lot of changes to make it more streamlined, more responsive like good governments are doing. but understand his goal here, the government of the church is ultimately spiritual. it definitely has a financial and a political reality, but it's aimed at a spiritual good. his goal here about all the financial reforms is to free up
our time and our resources to serve those who are most poor. that's what's driving this for him. by all accounts from his time in the jesuit order, of which i am a part, and as archbishop in buenos aires, he's a very strong manager and is not afraid to make some bold moves, again, all for a greater good. >> father o'brien, this is thomas roberts. you talk about bold moves. it was just several weeks ago that pope francis took a meeting with sexual abuse survivors in vatican city. he met with six different people, two from the u.k., two from ireland, two from germany. so a two-part question here. one being that a former ambassador to the vatican has been defrocked but not lost his immunity to be charged in sexual courts for sexual crimes against children. do you think he should lose that immunity? secondly, do you think that pope francis should meet with american sexual abuse survivors if he does in fact come to
philadelphia in september of 2015? >> i'm not familiar with that first case, thomas, but as to the second question, pope benedict met with survivors when he came and i can imagine that if pope francis came, he too would meet with survivors of sexual abuse. i mean he's very strong about his support and contrite on behalf of the church for the sins committed against our minors and young people. so this is something he's talked about and will continue to talk about. in korea, by the way, this morning he reached out to families of victims of the 300 kids who lost their lives in that terrible ferry disaster. >> the pope also was quite explicit in speaking out about the humanitarian tragedy in iraq. we've now seen the president come out and say that at least in his view he's broken the siege of isil and made progress on saving lives there. talk to us about sort of the pope's foreign policy and
whether there's any follow-up here. that was one ingredient that spurred action, the first air strikes in iraq in over two years. how does it work going forward when the pope feels he may have had some influence there? >> well, i think the vatican or papacy is a very interesting actor on the world stage because on the one hand it's spiritual governance. on the other hand it is a sovereign entity as a city state. very much behind the scenes in a lot of parts of the world the vatican does play as a quiet intermediary because the church is located around the world. but often the work they do is extremely subtle. this is outside my area of expertise in terms of foreign policy, but i can tell you that the pope has a very profound bully pulpit when speaking about peace. we saw that with his trip to the middle east and his gathering of the palestinian authority president and the president of israel in rome after that trip
to the holy lands to pray for peace. you know, i think he has just by his persona and his bully pulpit, he has a very powerful influence. but understand that there is an infrastructure beneath him, a foreign service that has been extremely helpful in some situations. >> all right. father kevin o'brien, thank you so much. we have "fortune" magazine, holy reformer. this guy is totally changing everything. >> he's our guy. kevin will tell you that, he's our guy. kevin, it's a holy day of obligation. before you go, can you give me a quick pass on the way to the airport? >> listen, i can't do that, mike, but tell tim we're excited for him to come back to georgetown for his senior year. >> we are too. >> i bet you are. >> thank you so much, father. we're talking college and everybody is crying about their kids going, mike. but as i said the only thing worse than them going, is them staying. >> it's awful. >> mike says it's awful. coming up, how one man is
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with us now, the contributing editor of "the atlantic," graeme wood, who asks the question in the cover story is college doomed. graeme explores the ambitions and ambitious mission of an educational venture and in the piece he writes it boasts it will strip the university experience down to aspects that are shown to contribute directly to student learning. lectures, gone. tenure, gone. gothic architecture, football, ivy crawling up the walls, gone, gone and gone. so what's left is going to be leaner and cheaper. can a school that has no faculty offices, research labs, community spaces for students or professors paid to do scholarly work still be called a university? what a radical concept, graeme. strip it down to learning. >> yeah, it's very expensive to keep all those gardeners keeping
the ivy green. universities have a lot of things going on in them and they're not directly related to learning in every case so that's what minerva is trying to do. they're trying to take just the learning part, perfect it and keep the costs down. >> tell us who's behind this. >> there's a guy named ben nelson, who was an executive at snapfish, and he was somewhat unsatisfied with his experience as an undergraduate so he decided we could perfect this. there's a lot of money in education so if you get it right, there's a lot of money flowing in. >> is it online? >> in a sense. the students live in dorms together but the classes take place over computer interfaces so the professors could be anywhere in the world but the students are all getting together in classes, very small, 15 students or so, and taking seminars that are online. >> where is it located? >> the dorm that they have right now is in san francisco. another part of this is that
every university wants to have its international presence, so the dorm in san francisco is just the starting point and they're going to move on and have places in berlin, in buenos aires, in bombay. >> so what happens to tuition under this minerva project. let's say you're going to georgetown, $55,000 a year. >> the full ride is $28,000 per year and that's including room and board. >> something clearly has to happen, right, to the cost of american -- >> oh, it's ridiculous. >> -- higher education which is way outstripping inflation. when my 8-year-old goes to college, i've been told it's going to cost about $800,000. if the cost carries on rising at the rate that it is at the moment and this is potentially a solution. i wonder if there isn't a middle ground. it does seem that students still need to have a physical contact, contact with a teacher there. if you want to come back with questions. do it all online seems like it's going to be hard sell. >> we will soon see. we will have in the case of
minerva a good example of seminars being conducted probably as well as they can be online. we don't know what we'll lose if we don't have the students in physical proximity to their professors. >> why do the students live there then? if you're doing everything online, why not live wherever your home is and do it online. what's the difference here? >> i believe if you have the students together, you have many of the aspects of the university that are preserved. some of the social aspects that people remember the university for. they still have that but won't have to have professors who are willing to live in particular cities and they will be able to have a much lighter footprint than a university. >> you'll also be able to have ideas, you know, people talking and debating and being able to, you know -- >> there's no doubt that there are a lot of college educations that happens in colleges and universities. some of them are the ones that deal with books and classes and some of them deal with socialization. like people moving into adulthood in a social setting, that seems important. i'm curious whether there's an
ideology here, right, which is you could have a project like this which believes this is the one true way and this is the future. you could also have a different point of view, which is we're going to have an increasingly diverse range of academic offerings and this is just one maug model, one of many thousands of flowers that could bloom as college education gets unbundled. do they think this is the way of the future or one way of the future? >> one way of the future and they think there's one way of the past that's destined to go exstint really soon and that is the place a university is a place where you go and sit in a room with 500 other students and listen to one person talk in front of you. so it's a radical departure. but they believe if you can get online courses with 100,000 students in them working very well, you can strip down the university that people pay for to the seminars that work very well. >> just for the sake of mike barnicle, can you explain that a
mook is not an irish derogatory term. >> it's a massive online open course. it's a class that you can take online and watch video of a professor speaking. >> what's the admissions process? >> it's much like other universities in that you take a series of tests. they don't give you the s.a.t. in this case, they give you cognitive tests and have an interview over skype. so actually most of the students who are going to be going to minerva they expect will come from overseas, so they'll have interviews that take place over skype that are evalued by the university. >> this looks like a great issue, by the way. >> i would say every aspect that's good is a matter of luck. >> listen to the stories. these are great stories. how client hiysterics hurt thei
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cnbc's michelle caruso-cabrera. so vladimir putin is, i guess he's saying they're shipping like toys, teddy bears and chicken pot pies to ukraine. >> baby food, baby food. >> and baby food. yeah, baby food! was that baghdad bob that said -- >> baghdad bob. >> baby food back in the first guff war? >> yeah, milk of magnesia. >> so anyway, this russian convoy, we've got a mighty convoy going to the ukraine. the markets are responding to that. >> yeah, the markets have moved a lot because of russia news. in fact the markets have had a great, great week because vladimir putin in his speech yesterday, we're calling it his kumbaya moment where he was trying to make nice in a speech in crimea and the west was very concerned about this convoy that you're talking about, 280 trucks. was it a trojan horse filled with military equipment instead of what they said was baby food, water, et cetera. and were they going to let inspectors on board.
apparently they started letting ukrainian inspectors on board last night and this morning, so that appears to have de-escalated. that's helping the markets. at the same time, there are still thousands of troops amassed on the border even though one week ago today the foreign minister said the military exercises are over, so the fog of war continues completely. still, the bottom line the market is betting that russia is not going to invade ukraine in the near term. >> let us hope, michelle. all right, thank you so much. >> i like your convoy reference there. >> we've got a mighty convoy bucking all through the night, we've got a mighty convoy, ain't she a beautiful sight. >> perhaps one of the great lines of all time in the '70s. so we crash the gate doing 98, i say let them truckers roll, 10-4. you went out and bought a cd radio after that, didn't you? >> you bet i did. >> what was your handle? >> i can't say it on the air. >> i bet that phase just skipped right over the barnicle family.
>> no, no. >> breaker, breaker. good buddy. >> we had one on the hump in the middle -- you know when they used to have the hump in the front seat? we had one on the hump. >> we lived in upstate new york. everybody had them. >> wasn't there a movie version of that? >> there was. they turned convoy into a movie. >> that was right around the time when "smokey and the bandit" was the biggest thing in america. >> was burt reynolds in it? >> it was the same era. >> i remember this. >> even in london? >> even in london. >> all right. there we go. ♪ so coming up next, one tourist got a chance to see some wildlife. in this case a massive crocodile chasing them. we will let you know whether the
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break out your light sabre, forrest gump, because it's time to get hollyweird. >> speculation is running rampant about this picture, the original luke skywalker posted on instagram outside london's set. the project due out december 2015 is set to resume filming later this month now that harrison ford is on the road to recovery. hans solo broke his leg during filming in june and there's no official word on whether luke skywalker will play a part in the blockbuster but baseless speculation is what we do best here on hollyweird. "bad boys 3" is coming for you. it's been more than that he know years since the original. martin lawrence just confirmed there is a threequel on the way telling conan o'brien, i just talked to jerry bruckheimer and he said it's real. they're working on a script, they're getting close and it all looks good. now we'll just have to see if will smith was telling the truth when he said --
>> bad boys for life. >> and in perhaps the most ironic move of 2014, tom hanks has launched a typewriter app. yesterday the two-time academy award winner and most trusted man in america released the hanx writer. no longer must you surrender to modern luxuries like a delete key. you'll hear the rhythm of your work with shook shook or fit fit. finally the als ice bucket challenge has been taking the country by storm for the worthiest of causes. now adam levine, justin timberlake and jimmy fallon have taken part. even joe and mika submitted to the soaking. now the movement is making its way to the titans of tech. >> here we go. >> that was really cold. >> what you didn't see was mark zuckerberg challenge bill gates. i can't wait to see how that turns out. back to you, joe. >> you don't have to kick me in
the face. of course it was obvious, nobody was aiming at mika. mike said everybody was aiming at me. >> you stood still. mika moved. she was a moving target. >> it was louis and the trash can full of ice. >> i'm going to get him. >> so we've been talking about this croc in mexico. look at this swimmer in mexico being chased by a crocodile trying desperately to get to land. >> can you imagine? >> look at that. how terrifying. >> does he make it? >> oh, look at that. he's saved by a bystander on the bridge who thinks quickly and hurls something at the reptile saving the swimmer's life. >> the crocodile can run on sand. >> really? oh, dear lord. >> you should go sideways if a croc is chasing you. >> it's looking very bad for that guy. wow. all right. >> it all turned out okay and that's why we could show it. >> on a friday.
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oh, yeah. what did we learn today? mike barnicle. >> willie nelson, listen to him all weekend. >> john. >> the fact that the cb radio craze was so big that is drew kris chris taufrson into a movie
about it. >> i want to see if carol king accepts your challenge. >> willie nelson still performing, also with his 84-year-old sister. >> college is expensive and we're out of time. >> very good, look at you playing by the rules. reminds me of an old story from congress. okay, we're getting late. >> bye. >> if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." thank you as always for your patience this week as always, friends. i know i pushed it several times. stick around because "the daily rundown" starts now. ♪ developing news in ferguson, missouri. any minute now we are expecting the ferguson police chief to release the name of the officer who allegedly shot and killed michael brown. that after last night, which was a very different scene playing out in the city streets. overseas, new hopes in the fight against isis as iraq's prime minister maliki steps down. and challenging cochran. nearly two
medal of arts, the first lady is also going to attend. that's it for "way too early" and t.j. is back. "morning joe" starts right now. despite talk of a new temporary cease-fire in gaza today, both sides in that war launched new attacks. >> hamas rocket launches roar to life. >> in israeli, fired back. >> we have accepted five cease-fires acted upon hamas has rejected every single one of them. they have even violated their own cease-fire. >> you want to recognize israeli as a jewish state? >> no. >> more fighting in ukraine is preventing outsiders from reaching malaysia airlines flight 17. >> the fighting, some of the
worse of the fighting seems to center around the crash site itself. >> so much of what people do is psychologically annual lies so you tell us what is he like? you met him many times. >> he is very tough. if he wants to stare intently at you with his very bright blue eyes he can turn on the charm. >> the fighting in elaborate rages on tonight. >> so the u.s. embassy in triply is guarded. >> will you consider impeaching the president? >> you know, this might be the first white house in history that is trying to start the narrative of impeaching their own president. good morning. it's monday, july 28th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, you're not going to believe this, joe. pulitzer prize winning jon
meacham. >> mark halpern, thank god you're back. we have some politics to talk to you about this morning. host of "way too early," thomas roberts. >> hello. >> in washington, national security correspondent for "the new york times" david singer with new reporting this morning out of eastern ukraine. t.j. is back. you're not going to look good, nor am i this morning. >> none of us are but that is okay. there is t.j. looking good, t.j., nice and rested. i wish we could all take vacations. i'm going to go on from there. how was your weekend, mika? did you have an uneventful or exciting weekend? >> no. >> what happened? >> i had a weekend that had to do with the trials and tribulations of raising teens. that's all i'm going to say. >> it happens to all of us. >> i'm not sure. >> you should take a vacation some time. >> i'm not sure i'll make it through this period of time. is all i'm going to say. >> it's not that much different
from coming to work? >> love my girls. they are so much different. we want to get to some of the political stories going on. over the weekend, israeli agreed to a brief cease-fire proposed by hamas but, sunday, more rocket attacks and more israeli raids this morning. secretary of state john kerry has reportedly turned his hope to rolling cease-fires now with a permanent diplomatic solution proving to be elusive. the white house is increasingly concerned with the death toll and president obama called prime minister netanyahu knowing him it is time for an unconditional cease-fire. one of the shells landed near a u.n. school last week, but says it fell outside the school denying it was responsible for the deaths of 16 people, including children. let's get the latest now and joining us from gaza, nbc news foreign correspondent, ayman
mohyeldin. >> today is the period marking the end of ramadan. families get together and have meals and children receives toys and gives and very much like christmas in the united states but here today a somber feeling among many families and some not even leaving their home and assessing the damage. over the weekend a lot of damage was visible for us and others as we traveled across various parts of gaza to see the results of the fighting has crippled gaza the past several weeks. the death toll stands 1,039. a lot of people still digging through the rubble and believed hundred dollars more are buried where in the gaza strip. on the political front, there is this kind of de facto cease-fire that has emerged. neither side officially calling
it a cease-fire but both sides clearly restraining themselves a little bit. we have heard the sounds of rockets being launched and sounds of israeli fire into gaza but, for the most part, both sides want to get through the three-day period with a lot more less fighting but there is concern by thursday, hamas has told us if there is no comprehensive agreement in place the fighting could continue in full force. >> i've been following you closely what you've been doing during these terrible three weeks. the pictures are absolutely tragic. could you just in human terms describe to our viewers what you've seen day in and day out over the past 21 days? >> reporter: yeah. i mean, it has been a very difficult few weeks on the ground. i think one of the ways i would tell you that every single palestinian that i have met, every single one that i have met has been affected by this war. and what i mean by that is they have either had families displaced now living with them,
they have either lost relatives or have been affected themselves even injured. even our own crews, shrapnel hit one of their cars. when we talk about the scope of this operation there is no inch of gaza that has been spared. when you speak to palestinians who did what the israeli told them to do, leave the front lines and come into the city, stay away from areas that are told to be dangerous, they have also been affected. one person losing all of his entire family. i think a humanitarian toll to this that is difficult at times to capture and the most difficult part of this assignment trying to capture all of the stories we hear from the grief. we have seen palestinian militants fire rockets consistently every day and raises questions about the scope of this operation and whether or not it's achieving its objectives that israeli says it is achieving. even today, palestinians were
seen firing rockets. it is a complex situation on the ground but a humanitarian challenge for us trying to cover it nonetheless. >> ayman, thank you. israeli prime minister benefiting anyone netanyahu discussed two of the biggest issues surrounding the middle east crisis. hopes for a cease-fire and the heavy toll being paid by civilians. >> we have accepted five cease-fires acted upon them. hamas has rejected every single one of them, violated them, including two humanitarian cease-fires which we accepted and implemented in the past 24 hours. now hamas is suggesting the cease-fire and, believe it or not, david, they have even violated their own cease-fire so they continue to fire at us and we will take the necessary action to protect ourselves. >> first of all, hamas is responsible for the deaths of civilians. we are not targeting a single civilian. we are responding to hamas action and we are telling the civilians to leave. hamas is telling them to stay. why are they telling them to stay in they want to pile up
their own dead bodies. they not only want to kill our people, they want to sacrifice their own people. charlie rose sat down with the leader of hamas and asked whether the militant group would recognize israeli as a jewish state. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> translator: we are not fanatics and do not fight the jews because they are jews. we defy the occupier. contrary we actually respect the religious people. >> it's one thing to say you want -- another thing you want to coexist with the state of israel. do you want to coexist with the state of israeli? do you want to represent -- do you want to recognize israeli as a jewish state? >> no. >> translator: no. >> okay. joe, obviously, you're a long time supporter of israeli. >> right. >> do you think israeli at this
particular time has the right to continue the attacks in defense of their own country, despite all of the calls for a cease-fire? >> mika, israeli has the right to defend their country and protect their people. the prime minister is correct in saying, as he did again yesterday on "meet the press," that the united states or any other country would protect themselves from these similar types of attacks that they are enduring from hamas. i mean, just imagine. i've said this before. imagine if missiles were fired from the mexican border to the united states. by nightfall our troops would be in mexico city. yes, they have that right. the "wall street journal" editorial this morning also correctly points out the international assistance that countries give to gaza that they think is helping to help the plight of the palestinian people and build schools is actually being funneled by hamas into creating this terror economy and that is because hamas is a terrorist organization as
netanyahu said yesterday uses its people to protect its missiles instead of using its missiles to protect its people. israeli has pointed out hamas uses women and children as human shields. they are correct there too. there are literally thousands of justifications with israeli is trying to do going after hamas. that said, make no mistake of it, mika, with up to thousands of civilians being killed over the past several weeks, israeli is, obviously, losing this war in the eyes of the world and i think more tragic for all of those seeking peace in the middle east before these attacks began. before these attacks began, hamas was isolated. they were bankrupt. and they were on the edge of political oblivion. so, yes, israeli has a right to move aggressively in gaza but it doesn't mean it's the right strategic move for israeli to
make. david, i think those seeking peace so much in a long time in this region the great tragedy is hamas was on the ropes before this fighting began. now they are only empowered in the eyes of the palestinian people or at least a large segment of the palestinian people as protectors against israeli. >> joe, i think that's right. hamas has certainly played the media element of this quite well. but i think something else has also played into it, which is that both sides were dug in, i think, in this case. the israelis and hamas in ways that i think surprised each other. so israeli discovered that this tunnel network was much more extensive than they had believed and, as a result, when you had the president saying a week ago, president obama saying a week ago that israeli had inflicted significant damage, the israeli assessment was quite different. hamas, i think, realized along
the way that the longer they could keep up these barrages the more they could demonstrate that they actually had emerged as a much more powerful force than i think many palestinians had believed. by virtue of the fact that the rocket attacks continue even now even after this pretty comprehensive pounding and i think that's why both sides are basically rejected this fascinating plan that my colleague michael gordon got a hold of that john kerry was passing around that would have put in a seven-day halt and then immediately gotten discussions going in egypt. instead they are left with these rolling day-by-day humanitarian pauses which i think no one has any confidence it will continue. >> all right. we are going to come back to this. there are new implications in eastern ukraine in the investigation into the downing of malaysia airlines flight 17. a team of international
investigators was forced to turn back from the crash site because of deadly clashes between pro russian rebels and ukraine troops. more than a dozen officials killed and officials said they did not feel safe in the area. it comes as the united states is preparing to make a push for new sanctions against moscow. >> now we have this. ukraine's president pending an op-ed over the weekend calling for tougher international response and he writes, in part as always the united states should take the lead. working together with the european union, washington can shape a worldwide coalition of nations in support of ukraine to ensure that these terrorists are not able to strike again. russia needs to know the international community is serious and long past time for it to act. >> the state department released new photos that it says proves russia is not only helping the rebels but shots are being fired from russia into ukraine. this photo shows artillery strikes last week in ukraine
involving rounds that officials say are only used by russian military units. u.s. officials also say russia is preparing to give more missiles to the rebels which moscow denies. meanwhile, former secretary of state hillary clinton says despite the obama administration's must published she always had doubts with vladimir putin. >> i was the most skeptical of putin during the time i was there in part because i thought he had never given up on his vision of bringing mother russia back to the forefront, not by looking at what russia could do to be a modern nation but by looking to the past. i think that what may have happened is that both the united states and europe were really hoping for the best from putin as a returned president and i
think we have been quickly, unfortunately, abused of those hopes. >> hillary clinton still on her book tour. your thoughts on her sort of looking back at that reset, jon meacham? >> she is right about mother russia. >> true. >> and we have had now ten years, i guess, or more of american leaders who have been trying to play chess with putin and have not been doing particularly well. beginning with president bush and now president obama. a hundred years ago today the first world war began and we are back to the great game where empires fell apart and nation states created and the countries we have been talking about this morning grew out of that cat cl
>> it's faeting fascinating hillary clinton talk about that. what i really find fascinating are the numbers. you look at the numbers. hillary clinton's numbers approval ratings as secretary of state, she has gone from the most popular leader in the obama administration to, now in retirement, having people looking back at her time at the state department as a failure. are hillary clinton's ups and downs as a political candidate going to be tied to what is happening across the world? because it seems like americans are judging her for a lot of these international crises that are now exploding. >> i think in the end she has been saying on her tour that the economy and vision for the future on job creation is going to be a bigger deal if she runs. i think she is suffering in these episodic comments from the same thing i think the president obama is suffering from. it's all tactics and episodic.
there doesn't seem to be a big strategic vision how to deal with the world jon meacham is talking about. we are still dealing with the fallout of the cold war and still dealing with the fallout of a post-9/11 world and a lot of people are able to question her role and the president's record on the question of where is the grand strategy and where is the vision taking america into a situation we are not dealing episodically with lots of crises how to bring things together. >> david sanger you're reporting that pentagon is drawing up plans to give ukraine the exact locations of surface-to-missile locations. how quickly could something like that be fast tracked? >> it could be fast tracked very quickly, thomas, but it's a fascinating and very vexing choice for the president. think about his options here. the united states is already giving some intelligence to the
ukrainians. they are giving them satellite photographs similar so what you showed before showing the russian heavy equipment moving across the board but it's not real-time so not something the ukrainians could use to target. if president obama decides to give them real-time information, he will be entering the united states much more directly into the conflict with russia and seem this is less than ukraine than it is about putin. there is some risks. it's not clear that the ukrainians know what to do with the data. it's not clear that they wouldn't make a mistake and strike inside the russian border and you can imagine what a problem that would be. the other thing that people were sort of whispering to me and eric schmidt, my colleague when we were working on this story last week and over the weekend, is that the ukrainian military is so compromised at this point, so full of russian intelligence agents that you might take this targeting data and just mail it to moscow. so it's a very hard choice and,
of course, the president decides not to do it his critics will say he walked up to provide aid and backed away. >> david sanger, thanks very much. an extremely western pattern is moving across the country including severely thunderstorms and tornadoes and hail storms. nbc's meteorologist bill karins joins us with more on that. >> what a sunday it was. you expect sundays like this in may and early june. the activity severe weather tornado months but not late july. this is supposed to be the quiet season and talk about heat waives and droughts but not this year. the extreme weather pattern continues around the country. tornadoes in tennessee and claiborne, ten homes destroyed yesterday and strong storms in kentucky. there is a picture of that tennessee tornado. just a rope tornado but you can
see how violent it was. it wasn't big. it was pretty narrow twister but it moved through with fierce winds up to about 120-mile-per-hour they estimated. that hits a home and that just takes it and tears it apart. let's talk about what we are dealing with today. what concerns do we have? the jet stream is the culprit for this crazy summer weather. i mean, we still have lake superior water temperatures in the 40s still! it's ridiculousically cold still in the northern great lakes and that continues. hot out west. where we get the human air meeting the cool air is where the thunderstorms occur today like yesterday. further to the south 6 million people at risk in the southeast including up through the carolinas and coastal sections. the people are on vacation on the beaches. as far as the bad weather goes, new england super humid and a lot of thunderstorms to deal with and couple of strong ones going on through the mass pike through the berkshires. hit and miss storms in the northeast and as far as the southeast goes your storms will be primarily in the late
afternoon. the last thing, we are heading toward the peak of hurricane season. one area of interest well out there in the atlantic and should threaten puerto rico and possibly the virgin islands toward the east coast. if it forms, the next named storm will be bertha. how the crisis in gaza has much larger implications in the region including nuclear talks with iran. house intelligence committee chair mike rogers joins us in our 7:00 to explain. plus are taxis a thing of the past? how it's never easier to catch a ride in some of america's largest cities. coming up a big investigation into one of the tri-state governors. why governor andrew cuomo is under fire and why he can't do anything especially since he formed the committee to
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happening. >> yep. >> right after 9/11. you walked around with your mouth covered from the very beginning. >> no. i had a gut feeling about it but then it proved to be true soon after there were several very, very high profile cases that were covered and now we are talking about 2,500. i'm sure those numbers are going to go up. >> it's just tragic. from the "usa today," more than 15,000 households in detroit have had their water turned off because of overdue bills. yet, 40 businesses who owe money have remained untouched. according to documents from the city's water department, the major commercial and industrial accounts with past due balances owe a total of $9.5 million. that would amount to 625 dollars for each customer who have had their waut shut off. "the new york times." a new study shows a great toll
on the american class than previously believed. according to the russell sage foundation the average american family is about a third poorer than it was a decade ago. adjusted for inflation the typically american household was worth over $87,000 in 2003 and in 2013 the number dropped to $56. a 36% decline. >> wow. >> the authors of the city cite the housing market as a main factor in this decline, while other factors, other sectors are doing quite well. >> no doubt about it. unbelievable. the tsa says it's ready to pay for your ideas to speed up airport security lines. the agency says it's going to award one prize of at least$5,000 for the best idea. the deadline for your submissions when which are being accepted online is august 15th.
the tsa says the challenge is about leveraging innovation and out of the box thinking. here is from "the washington post." sarah palin. >> this is out of the box, right? >> she will continue her crusade against traditional news media outlets by developing her own online channel. the former republican vice presidential nominee announced the sarah palin channel which is a subscription based site. it will offer update on the events she attends. it will be $100 for the year. >> let's move on without mika commenting. lucy edged our hercules to take the number one spot at the box office this weekend. not a lot of great reviews for "lucy." it pulled in $44 million during the first weekend in theaters. well above estimates of $30
million. "hercules" featured dwayne "the rock" johnson. "planet of the apes" rounded out the top three. i'm sure jon meacham has been to all three of those movies this weekend. >> that is where he was this weekend. binge watching. andrew cuomo is taking flak. cuomo set up the commission a year ago which he touted having the best minds in law enforcement to try to rout out corruption and to restore public trust. >> it's not about a witch hunt. it's clear there are cases that need to be policed. i mean, that's inarguable at this point. why we are doing this and the need to do this is totally clear
to anyone who has been living in this state. >> he even campaigned on this saying the commission would be independent. >> so i am appointing a new commission to investigate and prosecute wrongdoing. >> but "the new york times" reports it was stifled nearly from the outset by the governor's own aids. in one case the commission investigated a media buying firm whose client was none other than the governor. when cuomo's office found out the firm was being subpoenaed, "the times" reports a top staffer called one of the cochairs of the commission and ordered him to take it back and the commission about. now a federal prosecutor says he won't rule out investigating the governor but in an interview, cuomo said his office's handling of the commission wouldn't be the subject of a probe because it's not a legal question. the moreland commission was my
commission, it's my commission, my subpoena power. i can appoint it and disband it. i can appoint you or unappoint you tomorrow. >> it is an interesting quote considering it's the taxpayers of new york state that funded that commission and unless andrew cuomo funded that commission and took care of all the expenses for it, i think he is very confused. it is not his commission any more than it's his governor's mansion, any more than it's his state. >> there is that. >> i think someone may be diluting themselves at this point, and this is really, as "the new york times" store shows, deeply trouble. >> let's ask blake zef. he senked as former top aide to an attorney general. did he disband it because as
it's being reported or surmised because it got too close to him? >> that is the understanding. he said initially this thing would go into until the end of 2014. it stopped before that and he was very upset because as you mentioned subpoenas were issued to many top allies. large groups had given him lots of money to his campaign. it's clear he was very upset with this thing from the beginning behind closed doors while he was saying it was independent, it's clear that is not what he wanted it to be. >> i'm not feeling the transparency. what is the governor saying in his explanation? secondly what is he being investigated for now out of this? >> great question. in terms of his explanation, what is funny, three shifting explanations from him. first, he said as you saw in that commercial this is totally independent. >> right. >> they can go after me, after anybody. >> yeah. >> then when questions started to emerge about possible interference you noted i can't be interfering.
it's my commission. i appoint you and now a third characterization from him. not only could this commission not look at him or the executive branch, it would be a conflict of interest, he said, it wouldn't pass the laugh test, which speaking of the laugh test so much to tell his father because in 1987 his father had a similar panel called the moreland commission that looked at governor mario cuomo's delgs and said you can look at the executive branch when you have a moreland commission so the story has some holes in it. as for your skeked questiecond s always serious when a federal prosecutor is looking into this. he has not been totally forthcoming as to what they are investigating but if you talk to prosecutors and people with expertise in the federal laws around this, there is a statute they think maybe viable here. not intuitive that a federal
prosecutor look into a state entity being interfered with. it looks a little weird but is there a tampering law that is 1512b is the statute. if he is stopping witnesses from testifying or getting into way of documents into an official proceeding, there may be an opening there for a federal prosecutor. >> joe? >> mark halpern, i'm stunned how you campaign on the commission and then when they ask questions about some of your people, you actually shut the commission down and then you say it's my commission. this is straight out of louisiana. this is huey long material. are you stunned that andrew cuomo's judgment is this bad in 2014? has he really been that bubble wrapped over the past three years that he thinks he is above questions from "the new york times" and other news organizations about this? >> i'm not stunned because this is largely the way his office has operated, known to insiders
and albany is a black hole of political coverage and i thought he could get away with this as his office has gotten away with other attempts. he has miscalculated here. i think the worst news for him besides the u.s. attorney general investigating him. because if this level of facts existed about a chris christie this would be an evening network newscast every night. maybe he'll talk about it today but i don't know how he explains the things they are admitting to. he is spinning them. the facts already known is horrible. not because he ran on it because of the underlying things they did to protect himself and his political allies. >> mika, i can't help but follow up on what mark said regarding chris christie. >> right. >> the difference between shutting down a couple of lanes which, of course, was a terrible thing today whoever did it and
setting up an ethics commission that you campaign on and that you fund and then you shut down when it begins investigating you and then again most stunningly your response is it's my commission, i set it up, i can shut it down, again, i find it hard to believe that andrew cuomo has been this bubble wrapped in albany that he would be that ham-fisted. >> that quote seems like a blink to me because it's inarticulate and almost babbling. i don't know what it sounded like but does that make sense? it's like i can un-appoint you. >> put it up on the screen again. >> it's unbelievable. >> here, i have it. >> he says -- >> he is dancing as fast as he can. >> exactly. sounds like he is dancing as fast as he can. it's my commission, my moreland commission. i can appoint you you and i can
un-appoint you tomorrow. that is someone whose feels are turning fast in his head. >> he is finally breaking his public silence on this and he is going to be in buffalo today which funny enough for those who are watching from home aren't that familiar with upstate geography. >> are you going to buffalo? >> they announced it so late to prevent us from going so it would be hard to go but there will be good reporters there. very good local reporters there who will ask about this but not the usual pack of wolves who are there. two wr two ways to do this like the chris christie press conference. i don't examine andrew cuomo to do that today in buffalo. he'll have a short session afterwards with reporters and try to get a couple of comments
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welcome back, everybody. time for sports. six new baseball hall of fame inductees were enshrined. enshrined. >> imprisoned. >> a pair of 300 game winners and three of the most winningest managers of all time joe torre and four world series titles joined bobby cox and frank thomas and tom glavine and greg maddux. frank thomas gave a really emotional speak. >> we didn't have much but my parents worked hard for four of my siblings. frank senior i know you're watching from heaven today. without you 100% i wouldn't be
in cooperstown today. thanks for pushing me and always preaching to me you can be someone special if you really work at it. i took that to heart, pops. look at us today. >> congratulations to him and all of the guys there. the five-time all-star frank thomas playing 189 seasons in the majors. lebron james has finally decided on his jersey number. mika, while your were instagraming pictures of your cat over the weekend, this is what lebron was doing. he announced via instagram he is going back to wearing number 23 writing 23 is only right i go back. he lived that with cleveland cavaliers and switched with his number when he went to the heat and you might remember him saying the switch was respect for michael jordan. >> i think i'm going to change
my number next year. i don't think no guy in the nba should ever wear 23. >> wait a minute. he's back to it. >> he's back to it. jersey sales through the roof. currently four other vet players in the nba who wear number 23. >> who are they, thomas? >> that is for me to know and you to find out because i've got this next story which is very big. >> in 3-2-1. go. >> in soccer now. we don't condone fans rushing on to the field but it happens a lot and when it does and it's good. >> sometimes naked. >> this isn't naked. during milan's loss to manchester city in pittsburgh two fans rush in the game's final minutes and head straight for ac milan's walotelli and they wanted a selfie and balotelli obliges. posed for this fan before the
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zerbia declared war. i will read a portion of this. it gives perspective to a lot what is happening today. from the downing of the civilian malaysia airliner in ukraine to the combat in gaza to iraq, syria, afghanistan and iran the troubles of our time directly ascend from the world of the era that claimed impulses and let to the ultimate creation of new nation states, especially in the middle east. to understand the madness of the moment then, one needs to take a long view, one that begins in 1914 and not as many democrats would have it with the election of george w. bush or many republicans think with the election of barack obama. to borrow a phrase from abraham
lincoln. it goes back to issues and we have to look as far as back as world one one. world war ii air power would make any civilian a combatant but that began in 1914. it was a case of imperial ambitions. a lot of miscalculation. but the perennial force in all of our lives and in politics, which was pride, ambition, greed, ethnic and imperial are all right back again. who knew we would be nostalgic. >> world war i? >> the cold war, interestingly, was a stabilizing force and who
knew we would be nostalgic but it did give us a frame as mark was saying a moment ago that managed to make the messy a little more manageable. >> what is going on with europe now as a cohesive unit? nato is barely discussed when you think about the crises around the world and they are an economic force to be sure. what is going on with europe within the last where we are now as compared to a hundred years ago as a force for good on the planet? >> right. well, you know, success or lack thereof of the eu as a cohesive unit, you know, that was supposed to, in the great balance of power, was supposed to create sort of what britain was for a long time as a unit that would, in fact, balance east and west. it hasn't for, i think, reasons that are geo graphic and economic. europeans have much more economic interests in parts of the world where we see trouble,
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so welcome back, everybody. we have a couple of things to talk about in "news you can't use." this is important. >> first, are we doing the picture -- this picture first. was released from the director of batman versus super woman. wonderwoman and her costume. historically speaking, jon meacham, what do you think? >> i think historically you have to go back to elizabeth i and katherine the great. this is women in power. >> i don't see any red or white or blue. >> i have texted -- >> it's global. >> i have reached out to linyn
carter to get her reaction. >> now to the jungle. this youtube video of a cat taking on an elephant and you might be surprised at who scares whom. that's what she wrote back right there, the top part. >> oh, yeah. >> that baby elephant may try to shake off its furry friend but at the end day he is winning the stare-down. >> look at that! that is cute! >> what do you think? you saw lynda carter's opinion? >> you can text her. >> we have that in common. coming up at the top of the ho hour, are rolling cease-fires the only hope for slowing the
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despite talk of a new temporary cease-fire in gaza today, both sides launched new attacks. ten minutes after, rockets launched to life. >> israeli fired back. >> we have accepted fire cease-fires. hamas has rejected every single one of them. they have even violated their own cease-fire. >> you want to recognize israeli as a jewish state? >> no. >> more fighting in ukraine is preventing outsiders from reaching malaysia airlines flight 17. >> the fighting, some of the worse of the fighting seems to center around the crash site itself. >> so much of what people do is psychologically analyzed. so you tell us what is he like. you met him many times. >> he is very tough. if he wants to stare intently at you with his very bright blue
eyes, he can turn on the charm. >> the fighting in libya rages on tonight. >> so the u.s. embassy in tr tripoli is guarded. >> will you consider impeaching the president? >> you know, this might be the first white house in history that is trying to start the narrative of impeaching their own president. good morning. with us is chief white house correspondent and host of "the daily rundown, chuck todd. good to have you all on board this morning along with joe and me. over the weekend the israeli agreed to a proposed cease-fire proposed by hamas but more early raids this morning. secretary of state john kerry has reportedly turned his hope
to rolling cease-fires now. with a permanent diplomatic solution proving to be elusive. the white house is increasingly concerned with the death toll and president obama called prime minister netanyahu knowing him it is time for an unconditional cease-fire. israeli acknowledged that one of the shells landed near a u.n. school last week, but says it fell outside the school, denying it was responsible for the deaths of 16 people, including children. still the two sides don't seem any closer to resolving the issue at the center of the conflict. >> we have accepted five cease-fires acted upon them. hamas has rejected every single one of them, violated them, including two humanitarian cease-fires which we accepted and implemented in the last 24 hours. now hamas is suggesting the cease-fire and, believe it or not, david, they have even violated their own cease-fire so they continue to fire at us and we will take the necessary action to protect ourselves.
[ speaking in foreign language ] >> translator: we are not fanatics and do not fight the jews because they are jews. per se. we don't defy any other states. we defy the occupier. contrary we actually respect the religious people. >> it's one thing to say you want -- another thing you want to coexist with the state of israel. do you want to coexist with the state of israeli? do you want to represent -- do you want to recognize israeli as a jewish state? >> no. >> translator: no. >> let's bring in mike rogers who is the chairman of the house intelligence committee. mike rogers, this dispute, this war continues to grind on in israeli and there are -- boy, no winners here. what is the next step? >> well, i think if you look israeli's perspective, i think
they have shut over 35 different very sophisticated tunnels from gaza into israeli. they are re-creating rockets so they built some of their own in gaza they fire into israeli. they also, we think, import some and i think they are responsible for traveling into hamas and gaza. i think they want to make sure that this tunneling is both found and destroyed and prevent the opportunity doing it moving forward so that is why israeli comes at from this. >> i understand that and i understand your support of israeli. i've been a supporter of israeli as well. the continued images coming out of this, palestinian children and palestinian women killed in this fighting and over thousands of civilians, according to some reports. obviously, that has an impact on israeli in the long run as well. this seems to be a no-win
situation for the state of israeli, does it not? >> certainly complex. one of the troubling things about this is how hamas has put their rocket systems in schools and mosques and hospitals and the only way to disrupt those rocket systems -- remember, they are firing these rockets into civilian population centers. if it weren't for the iron dome and anti-missile system would be thousands and thousands and thousands of more civilian deaths really on both sides. and that is what we have got to understand here. i think there's a path forward on this. if you take where gaza -- excuse me, hamas wants to go, they need those open borders but if we are going to agree to that, if the united states is going to be a part of that and israeli is going to agree to that, then it needs to be to make sure that only humanitarian aid gets through. it can't be about resupply of weapon systems and other things. it's an interesting dynamic but
now you're seeing talk of rolling cease-fires mainly because both sides are at a bit of an impasse with what their stated objectives are. >> chuck todd? >> chairman rogers, are you concerned that john kerry, secretary of state kerry and prime minister netanyahu are just not on the same page? i'm finding it fascinating watching basically the -- it looks as if his cabinet is taking kerry proposals, spinning them in a different way than the way kerry claimed the way he was doing it. there seems to be a communication problem between john kerry and benjamin netanyahu. how is this happening? >> i think there has always been a little bit of friction between netanyahu and this administration. i think early on, some of the early cease-fire requirement, at least in israeli's perspective, they didn't recognize their security concerns about them continuing anti-tunneling operations during a cease-fire. remember, these are tunnels that come into israeli.
so i think with that lack of consideration, i think they believe that they were kind of going this alone which made them take a little harder position on those things. >> you're saying -- >> i think a miscommunication there. >> i understand you're saying as sort of an observer. you're a policymaker, a lawmaker. are you comfortable how john kerry is handling this or not? >> i was not comfortable with the initial leaks throwing out an agreement and saying that one side or the other rejected it. those meetings ought to be in quiet until they can come up with an agreement that can be sustained by both sides and if it takes two or three days without any news coming out of that room, so be it. but now you're having this pr war between hamas and israeli and the united states. that's just not a healthy place for us to be. they ought to lock them in a room and sit down and try to work out the issues of which both sides need to have. israeli clearly needs to continue anti-tunneling and this
ability to dismantle rockets in way doesn't take out civilians and gaza is in desperate need of humanitarian aid. i think you can find an agreement there, but you can't do it in public and you can't do it by leaking one side, knowing that both sides of that equation are going to use that for their own purpose. >> congressman mike rogers, thank you for being on this morning. chuck, a couple of political stories for you. new york governor andrew cuomo is taking flak for creating a committee and disbanding after it hit too close to home. "the new york times" was stifled by the governor's interests were in the cross-hairs. in a recent interview, cuomo said, quote, it's not a legal question. the moreland commission was my commission. it's my commission and my subpoena power and my moreland commission. i can appoint it and disband it.
i can appoint you or unappoint you tomorrow. i can't interfere with it because it's mine. it's controlled by me. joe, you want to jump in. >> who does it belong to? whose commission? >> oh, my god. mine, mine, mine, i mean mine. a george harrison song. you know, i was saying last hour -- >> wow. >> -- that for a governor of new york state, of all states where "the new york times" based in your state to be talking this way in 2014, it sounds like huey long in the back room of a new orleans eatery. >> liky. >> in like 1935 or something. i'm absolutely flabbergasted that andrew cuomo would say that, that he would think that way. has he -- if he has been this bubble wrapped in albany, forget ever running for public office on a national level. i'm stunned.
>> look. that is the andrew cuomo that democrats used to talk about in the late '90s. a little bit quick tempered and a little bit sometimes you catch him in the public eye and he would get a little snappy. snap at the reporter and that is what you would see and there supposedly a new more reserved andrew cuomo who had learned his lessons from that 2002 race that went so badly for him -- or in 20 2006. excuse me. albany is a town, in many ways, it's sort of totally out of the 20th -- mid 20th century the way it conducts its politics. it's one machine versus another. i think what this looks like is the cuomo machine decided they had a chance to derail these various machines inside the general assembly and go after it and realized, oh, no, our guys are going to get caught too and
it is politics as usual. i agree, joe, i think this takes him off the national stage. >> go ahead, mika. >> i was going to say if you hear from him today, you'll have to go to buffalo, joe. he has moved his public appearance so far away which to me is very telling. >> i was always surprised during the campaign, this is a man who didn't offer, mark halpern, much access to the campaign. he stayed behind the scenes. he somehow managed to survive that. i'm shocked that you could be be governor of new york state, the empire state and be as protected as andrew cuomo has been for quite sometime. i remember we heard him speaking at, i think, a charter school rally about two or three months ago and it was like garbo talks. he was so rarely exposes himself to the public and no now he does and he looks absolutely terrible and maybe we know why he has kept himself under wrap so much.
>> as a citizen of new york state i would be proud if we had the epics of louisiana in albany. as chuck suggested he is too cute. a lot of close observers have been waiting for this moment where the old andrew cuomo who has operated like this in the past, would be exposed. "the new york times" did great time on this. i will be fascinated to see how he handles it today. we said before based on what we already know without a federal subpoena power, based on what we already know his conduct, the conduct of his consider staff is unbelievable on an issue that, as we said earlier, he ran on. he said he made it a high priority and said this commission could investigate whatever and none of it was true. >> chuck, talk of impeaching president obama. apparently, it isn't going away. that may suit democrats just
fine. apparently, according to some reporting, while house speaker john boehner isn't interested in the idea, his number three congressman isn't ready to say the same thing. >> will you cut off funding for the administration? will you consider impeaching the president? >> this might be the first white house in history that is trying to start the narrative of impeaching their own president. ultimately what we want to do is see the president follow the laws but the president took an oath to faithfully execute the laws of this land and he doesn't. the white house is trying to fund-raise off of that too. >> i'm asking you. >> the white house will do anything they can to change the topic away from the president's failed agenda. >> who really wants to talk about it, zjoe? >> it's a complicated question. if i'm the number three republican on a national sunday show if i want the republicans
to ever win an election again, like, in the presidential race nationwide, ask me that question. if you're a republican legislator at home take out a pen and notepad and you have to respond. you know where i'm going with this. a very long, three, four, five, six paragraphs. ask me the question. >> i don't want to ask you the question. i don't want to hear that answer! >> no, no. >> halpern? >> ask the question. >> mr. scarborough, are you interested in pursuing impeachment against this president? >> for the love of god. >> no. chuck todd, what is wrong with them? he is the number three guy! he is the number three guy! he is not a back bencher! not a crazy nut like i was. he is a number three ranking republican in the house of representatives! and you can't say no to that answer? devastating. >> the most exciting player was
dan pfeiffer. the fact is steve skalese is right. the white house is praying for impeachment and see nothing but political upside to this and think think a lawsuit frankly is good politics. >> if he said it three times why did he play into their hands if he knew they wanted! the answer is no! >> joe, this is the issue. this is why john boehner tried to come up with this lawsuit gambit which i think is too cute and i think he whetted the appear tied in a way he is not able to put this toothpaste back in the toothpaste tube. a small contingent of house republicans that do want to pursue impeachment. it's not a large group. it's a small group but it's part of that tea party caucus that gives john boehner heartburn a lot and part of the tea party caucus that scott steve skalese into leadership. boehner was trying the lawsuit
as a way to ease it and i think he has brought it more to the forefront. i think this was ultimately a bad political decision by boehner. i understand why he did it for his internal boxes b. he gave the democrats an issue. >> something is good for internal politics but destructive to the overall picture. meacham, maybe you don't do it. >> there is good scholarship on talk of impeachment has exploded in the last 5 years, far more than the first 150 years in the republic. one more sign how corrosive the atmosphere is. people just didn't talk about it in this way as divisive and terrible as politics has always been. this is a different level. >> it sure is. thomas? more evidence of what could be seen as voters remorse when it comes to the 2012 election. >> what? >> according to a new cnn opinion research poll if the 2012 election were held today,
president obama's four-point margin of victory would be wiped away. the poll shows mitt romney would beat the president 53 lrs to % 44%. but in this matchup, hillary clinton would defeat mitt romney. 7 in 10 are women. 56% are independents. >> chuck, what do you make of that? >> it's all about the president. i think the country has -- the president's numbers. do you know his average job rating in the competitive senate races is 38%? this is a country that is fatigued from this president, that is, in some ways, the more foreign policy problems that pop up, the lack of -- you see in the poll numbers. you see a lack of confidence in him. so to me the polls are more reflective of obama, the person, and the president. it says nothing about the state of, for instance, either party.
>> joe? >> yeah, chuck, though, you're exactly right. the president's approval rating in the competitive states, 38% but last week, we pulled out some of those same states to see what the average republican approval rating was, 21%. 21%. so republicans see a low approval rating and historically we have to keep that in mind as we go towards november. i know you already have. but everybody does. those approval ratings usually can tell you something if they are at 49% how things are going to break but not when the other party numbers are so low. it's zero sum game. this year the republicans having real trouble with traction. why? >> voters don't have amnesia. they voted for change three of the last four elections. they haven't gotten it. i think the middle of the electorate right now is turned off by both parties. the middle of the electorate
might not show up. i think we are seeing some signs of that. very low turnouts low turnouts the last couple of years in off-year elections. i think they don't believe either party can deliver whatever change they are promising. look at the campaigns that are being run. take off the red states and blue states and all this stuff. i haven't seen a single campaign do anything unique and different, say, on the economy. say anything unique and different on health care. it's the same blabber that we have heard the last three or four cycles. sometimes the ads are exactly the same. kentucky, grimes and mcconnell are having the same medicare fight that paul ryan and the obama campaign had in florida, that the republicans used in 2010. again, voters don't have amnesia. >> chuck todd, thank you very much. we are going to be watching "the daily rundown" at 9:00 eastern time today. still ahead on "morning joe," new outrage by the british government at moscow following the downing of flight 17.
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♪ for the second day in a row, fierce fighting has forced international experts away from the site of the downed malaysia airlines jet in eastern ukraine. meanwhile, u.s. officials say russia is stepping up military support of rebels in that contested region. with us is the british ambassador of the united states, sir peter westacoff.
good to have you on the show. >> thank you. >> where do we go from here? what should be done in closing in on putin and bring the crisis in eastern ukraine to a rest, but bring justice to what has happened? >> well, this is a defining moment for what is going on in ukraine. we have had some very bad behavior from the russia side for a along time now, and now this terrible atrocity of the shooting down of the aircraft. we have to change the cost benefit analysis for putin for the russian people, for the government they have elected there. we saw last week, europeans putting in tough sanctions, lots of more names going on the list of people and entities which have been sanctioned. and i like to think in the course of this week, we are going to see yet more. we are going to be moving into secreta sanctions. meanwhile, we have to keep out the pressure and the points the president was making in norman
di so stop the supply of heaven weaponry and ground missiles coming across the border to russia. >> jon meacham, i'll let you jump in. but curious a reticent on some world leaders to call putin out for what he is. like president obama has called him responsible. hillary clinton called him to h tough. i'm thinking words like evil could be used to describe what has happened. >> i think the question and love to ask the ambassador on this. if you use rhetoric like that. >> right, right. >> action has to be commensurate with it. >> are we ready to do that? >> that is the question. mr. ambassador, in the range of options, one wonders how far we could go and i am curious how you evaluate your posting, that is, how is washington's leadership on these issues, how effective has that been?
>> i think the response to what is being going on in ukraine, there has been a strong united states response since the beginning what is going on in ukraine. since the shooting down of the airliner, of course, other countries have come rather more for the f to the fore. they are trying to get access to the debris and try to get hold of the remains of the victims and we, too, have an interest in that. we lost ten people in this air crash. so i think some of the humanitarian emphasis, if you like, is moved elsewhere. but this remains a major foreign policy where we have got to work together. i think that the way in which the phones have been buzzing across the atlantic, the president has been in touch with all of the main european but also australian and other leaders and president putin as necessary, has shown that the transatlantic lines are working pretty well and i think some of the responses we have seen from
lavrov and putin to the introduction of sanctions by both the united states and the europeans show we are beginning to have some impact. some of the bluster we are getting shows, i think, they are feeling a little bit of pain and they will feel more because we need to ratchet up the response because he has not met any of the conditions we set in normandy and we have seen more, not less, but more russian inference across the border as the state department explained to us just last night. the kgp playbook of a pack of lies doesn't convince anybody. >> totally agree. >> mr. ambassador, give me three adjectives you'd use to describe vladimir putin. >> i'm not a poet but i think thuggish, dishonest, and afraid comes to mind because we have had all of these lies. i think i'd say reckless too. just think back a little bit. he thought he had done pretty well after he stole crimea from the sovereign state of ukraine
and doesn't look good now. i think it's beginning to look like this has been the wrong call. >> based on that, sir, as you give the adjectives of thuggish and dishonest and reckless putin seems to want to push to this the very extreme and bring the united states out to the edge. right now, we seem to have all bark, no bite. without the eu and international allies, there really is not a lot that the u.s. can do, other than use diplomatic channels and bad rhetoric to try to pull putin back into some type of discipline. >> i think you're a little harsh in saying all bark and no bite. i understand why you say that, but we have put in place quite a lot of measures against the russians and against the cronies and against the entities. what we are going to see pretty soon, i think, is firm decisions and transatlantic to tape measures in the industries and denying access to capital and making a difference in terms of dense sales, all of these are
sec toral areas i think the united states and europeans together are starting to make a real impact and as i said before, i think the part of the response that we have been hearing from the russians suggest this is making a difference. also reputational thing. the russians don't like being put in the dog house and i don't think putin much liked being disinvited from the g- 8. maybe some will be asking if the 2014 world cup should be held in russia. much more things on the agenda and they don't like this. >> thank you so much for being on the show this morning, peter. >> thanks for having me. how one honduran boy is reunited with mihis mother. the story is next on "morning joe." ♪ hey pal? you ready?
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why? how can we demand syria take in nearly 3 million refugees but turn our backs on tens of thousands of beginner from our own neighbors? if we short change due process, i believe that congress and this administration will be sending many children back to their deaths. >> that was pulitzer surprise winning journalist justifying in front of congress on the immigration crisis earlier this month. the president president met with other president to address the issue. more than 7,000 undocumented children are entered the u.s. fleeing extreme violence or poverty or looking to be reunited with their families. joining us is the author whose best selling book strikes close to this issue. great to have you on the show this morning. this is an impressive woman and spent a couple of weeks on top
of a freight train researching this. she comes on to this set and won two pulitzer's not just one like you, meacham. >> we struggle. we struggle. >> and then says to me, williams 82 and i too have received a bicentennial medal. you got me but you weren't rejected twice and then wait listed so i got you on there. >> there you go. >> good to have you on board. i love what you've done here. we talk about this crisis on a broader level but when you put a face on it and you put a child's ideas on it, you really get a sense of how bad it is. tell us about the reporting that you did and some of the experiences you went through. >> well, i've been reporting about this for over a decade and initially i was writing this story of these millions of single mothers who have come to the united states from mexico, central america and leave children behind and they come because they can't feed them, they can't see them study past the third grade. so i was writing about children
like enrique, the mother leaves the boy when he is 5 and a 11 years later not seeing her he is desperate to see his morning and he sets off to find her and he goes any way he can is gripping off the top of freight trains over the length of mexico and it's a horrific journey and i made that journey to write the story of this boy. a decading ago, most of these children were coming because of poverty and to reuive wi ivreun parent. i went back and what i found just astounded me. i saw a level of violence in enrique's neighborhood i could not have imagineded where the cartels have taken complete control ever this neighborhood now. they go to 10, 11-year-old boys like christian and 11-year-old boy i interviewed who said in my elementary school they are pressuring me and threatening to
beat me up if i don't use drugs and use marijuana and use crack and then sell drugs for the cartel in my neighborhood. and on knew of an 11-year-old girl clubbed over the head and dragged off and tortured her and left her broken dead body in a ravine across the street. this boy knows three people this year who have died. four operating people on the street corner have been murdered. the level of violence these children face, these narcos have taken control of the schools in this neighborhoods. >> you say to congress how this is really happening and these kids can't be sent back when you look at it that way, they can't be sent back, then what do you do? >> well, i think we need to see these children for what they are in many cases. and at least half the cases, they are refugee. that is a person fleeing for their life. they are not economic migrants.
i understand we can have a full-throat debate about the positives and negatives of economic migrants to this country but these children are refugee so we need to put them in refugee centers in the united states and bring in judges and bring in asylum officers and over two or three months hold these children and then give them a full fair hearing with an attorney, because without an attorney, it's sham process, and really allow the children to present their cases. >> that has challenges too but that is out there, jon meacham. >> it is. you're talking about addressing the affects of the crises. what about the causes? >> i think we have to deal with the immediate humanitarian issue here and president obama and congress can't talk about being humanitarian and label their bills humane acts and try as quickly as possible to deport these children to their deaths. you can't really try to enhance the mexican and guatemalian
goverts. they are thinking about training the guatemalan police. you have to deal and i've been talking about this for years with the root causes of this violence. you have to enhance security and we know how to do this in colombia. you need to really clean up the police. you know, the last person you call in honduras is a cop because more than half of them are corrupt. 4 in 5 homicide are never even investigated, much less prosecuted. so you have to kraut a police force that is clean. you've got a polygraph these cops. and you've got to really improve the educational systems and opportunity for youth in these countries. you've got to increase economic
opportunities and we have really neglected this region since the kennedy administration. >> thomas? >> i think a lot we could do. >> there are two different fronts taking place here. the conversations that need to be have. what can be done for the children that are here and what they are fleeing from and the conversation what is going on in central america. on thursday and friday of last week, central american leaders were in washington, d.c. to meet with congress to meet with president obama. is there anything that you have heard about those meetings or read about you take away as, okay, we might be on the right track with the dialogue that needs to start to help the central american leaders and what their crisis is? >> well, i think the concern i have is we're basically telling those presidents we're going to ship these kids back to you as quickly as possible. we don't care whether, you know, they end up back in the hands of people who have threatened them multiple times, which is the stories that a lot of these children told me. and we really are saying, if you
do that, then maybe we will provide you some economic and development aid. and i have severe concerns about the first part of that equation. i think we're a really -- we are a compassionate christian people who are willing help vulnerable children. the children i saw in this neighborhood who one boy, carlos, 14 years old. his hair stood up. he said i don't eat 1 out of 3 days. i work in the dump picking out tin to come up with money since i was 7 years old. all of these obstacles were nothing. they wonted have caused me to think about leaving. but two narcos tried to rape me when i was 9 with a pistol to my head. he has seen three people in front of him killed. eight people he knows have been killed.
i think people cannot imagine the level of terror that these children live with, and we cannot, as a country, we have let in other refugees. cambodians and cubans, 15,000 and let in twice as many refugees pre-9/11 as now. all i'm saying is let's give these children a real chance to present their cases before the courts. don't short-change that process which is what president obama and congress are trying to do. >> very well put. the book is "enrique's journey." sonia, thank you for coming on this morning. now catching a ride is as simple as a push of a button. we will explain why taxis are becoming a thing of the past next on "morning joe." ♪
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is totally changing in new york city. how so, kevin? welcome back. >> thank you. we used to have one way to get around. it was the yellow cab or you took the subway or you walked. now we have uber. starting last week a company called lift is operating a ride sharing service based on a smart phone app. about a half dozen others have popped up in the city. when you are trying to get around you think how do i want to get there? a ton of options. >> what is the quickest option? >> it depends. nothing faster than a yellow cab zooming by you on the street. you stick your hand up, you get in but the problem it's not always available. if you're in one of the outer boroughs or a shift change or raining a hard time to get a cab and sometimes it's faster and now each cheven cheaper to take these services. >> when it comes down to the analysis how to get around utit
the speed and cost effectiveness. how is the cost effectiveness taking a shot at what the yellow cab is? >> uber has cut its fares to the price of a yellow cab and valid at 18 million and raised a ton lift is around the same price as a yellow cab for now. subject to change but right now i usually pay a black car service or yellow cab maybe $60 to $70 to get to the airport. what is the percentage increase of the cars on the street with all of these new services? >> i'm not sure. >> taxi drivers are switching over so just driving a different kind
there's this medallion system that dates back to the '30s where now these medallions you have to have to drive a cab cost a million dollars or more to just start up. the advantage of these upstart smartphone apps is you don't need a medallion to drive it. it's actually driving the cost of medallions down. >> what's the consumer think about who's being regulated, who's safe to use, if there is this difference in regulation? >> all these companies say they have background checks for drivers. there have been some incidents, of course, but not every cab ride goes the smoothest either. i've had arguments with cab drivers. the good thing about these services is that there's a bilateral rating system so after every ride you get to rate your uber driver but the driver also gets to rank you on a 1 to 5 rating so if you have -- >> oh. >> uh-oh.
>> are you kidding me? >> so if you have a lower rating, you're less likely to get picked up than someone with a higher rating. >> how do we rate them? >> the same way we rate them. >> on your credit card? >> there's a system now where you can check your own rating. i have a 4.8 which is pretty good. but if you get sort of below 4 -- >> what did you get a bad score for? >> i don't know. that's the mystery. >> being a jerk? talking on your phone really loud. >> mumbling when you're giving the destination. >> incoherently? >> kevin roose, thank you so much. that's very interesting. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.
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up next, escalating violence at the crash site of flight 17 bringing a whole new level of complications into the investigation in eastern ukraine. plus, cease-fires in the middle east continue to be disrupted by more rocket fire as the conflict enters its 21st day. we'll go to gaza with an update on the latest between hamas and israel. and later, the deadly e
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launched new attacks. >> ten minutes after the humanitarian truce expired this morning, hamas rocket launchers roared to life. and israel fired back. >> we've accepted five cease-fires, acted upon them. hamas has rejected every single one of them. they have even violated their own cease-fire. >> you want to recognize israel as a jewish state? >> no. >> more fighting in eastern ukraine is once again preventing outsiders from reaching the crash site of malaysia airlines flight 17. >> the fierce fighting between pro-russian separatists and ukrainian military, some of the worst in the fighting seems to center around the crash site itself. >> so much of what people do is psychologically analyze putin. >> right. >> so you tell us what is he like as a man. you've met him many times. >> well, he's very tough if he wants to stare intently at you with his bright blue eyes, he can turn on the charm. >> the fight in libya ranlz on tonight. >> it is the deadliest violence
since the 2011 war. >> so the u.s. embassy in tripoli stands empty and unguarded. >> will you consider impeaching the president? >> you know, this might be the first white house in history that's trying to start the narrative of impeaching their own president. >> good morning. it's monday, july 28th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, you're not going to believe this, joe, we have pulitzer prize-winning historian jon meacham. where have you been? >> that's huge! >> and "morning joe" contributor mark halperin, thank god you're back. we actually have some politics to talk to you about this morning. host of "way too early" thomas roberts. >> good morning. >> and in washington, national security correspondent for "the new york times" david sanger with new reporting this morning out of eastern ukraine. also t.j. is back, joe -- >> oh, my god.
back from disneyland. >> yeah. >> that's okay. there's t.j. you're looking good, t.j., nice and rested. i wish we could all take vacations. anyway, i'm just going to go on from there. how was your weekend, mika? was it uneventful? did you have an uneventful weekend or exciting weekend? >> no. i had a weekend to do with the trials and tribulations of raising teens. that's all i'm going to say. >> well, it happens to all of us. you should take a vacation sometime. >> i don't think i'm going to make it through this period of time. >> it's not that different from coming to work, is it? >> it's bad. love my girls. they are so different. let's get to the news. we want to get to some of the political stories going on but we'll start in the middle east. over the weekend, israelis agreed to a brief cease-fire proposed by hamas, but sunday more rocket attacks and more israeli raids this morning as the holiday begins. secretary of state john kerry has reportedly turned his hope to rolling cease-fires now with
a permanent diplomatic solution proving to be illusive. the white house is increasingly concerned with the civilian death toll and president obama called president netanyahu to hit him know it is time for a cease-fire. israel acknowledged that one of its shells did land near a u.n. school last week but says it fell outside the school, denying it was responsible for the deaths of 16 people, including children. let's get the latest now. joining us now from gaza, nbc news foreign correspondent ayman mohyeldin. ayman. >> reporter: good morning, mika. today is the first day of that three-day holiday period here marking the end of ramadan. it is a period that is often marked with celebrations. families get together, have meals. children receive toys and gifts, very much like christmas in the u.s. but here today a very different atmosphere, a very somber feeling among many families. some not even leaving their homes, just assessing the
damage. over the weekend a lot of damage was visible for us and others as we traveled across various parts of gaza. to see the results of the fighting that thaz crippled the gaza the past several weeks. the death toll now stands at about 1,039. a lot of people believe there are hundreds more buried, particularly in the southern part of the gaza strip where there has been some of the most intense shelling over the course of the last few days. on the political front, this is this kind of de facto cease-fire that has emerged. both sides clearly right now restraining themselves a little bit. yes, we have heard the sounds of rockets being launched and we've heard the sounds of israeli fire into gaza, but for the most part both sides want to try to get through this three-day period with a lot less fighting, but there is concern that by thursday hamas has told us if there's no comprehensive agreement in place, the fighting could resume in full force again, mika. >> ayman, joe scarborough here.
i've been following you very closely and what you've been doing during these terrible three weeks. the pictures are absolutely tragic. could you just in human terms describe to our viewers what you've seen day in and day out over the past 21 days? >> reporter: yeah. it has been a very difficult few weeks on the ground. one of the ways that i would tell you is that every single palestinian that i have met, every single one that i have met has been affected by this war. what i mean by that is they have either had families displaced, lost relatives or in some capacity been affected themselves, even injured. even our own crews had shrapnel hit one of our cars. they got off very safely, but it gives you a sense of when we talk about the scope of this operation, there is no inch of gaza that has been spared. and when you speak to palestinians who did what the israelis told them to do, leave the front lines, come into the
city, stay away from areas that are told to be dangerous, they have also been affected. one person losing his entire family. i think there's a humanitarian toll to this that is very difficult sometimes to capture and that has been the most difficult part of this assignment, trying to capture all of the stories that we're hearing from the grief. we've also seen palestinian militants fire rockets consistently every day. that raises questions about the scope of this operation and whether or not it's achieving its stated military objectives that israel says it is achieving. even today we saw palestinians firing rockets. and so it raises that question, and i think it is a very complex situation on the ground, but nonetheless a humanitarian challenge for us trying to cover it. >> nbc's ayman mohyeldin, thank you so much. speaking on "meet the press" on sunday, benjamin netanyahu discussed hopes for a cease-fire and the heavy toll being paid by civilians. >> we have accepted five cease-fires, acted upon them. hamas has rejected every single
one of them, violated them, including two humanitarian cease-fires, which we accepted and implemented in the last 24 hours. now hamas is suggesting a sear fies a -- cease-fire and believe it or not have even violated their own cease-fire. they have continued to fire at us and we'll take the necessary action to protect ourselves. first of all, hamas is responsible for the deaths of civilians. we're not targeting a single civilian. we're responding to hamas action and we're telling the civilians to leave. hamas is telling them to stay. why is it telling them to stay? because it wants to pile up their own dead bodies. they not only want to kill our people, they want to sacrifice their own people. >> charlie rose sat down with the leader of hamas and asked whether the group would recognize israel as a jewish state. >> translator: we are not fanatics, we are not fundamentalists, we do not actually fight the jews because
they are jews per se. we do not fight any other races. we fight the occupiers of the country. we actually respect the religious people. >> it's one thing to say that you want to co-exist with the jews, it's another thing you want to co-exist with the state of israel. do you want to co-exist with the state of israel? do you want to represent -- do you want to recognize israel as a jewish state? >> translator: no. >> okay. so, joe, obviously you're a long-time supporter of israel. >> right. >> do you think israel at this point has the right to continue these attacks in defense of their country, despite all the calls for a cease-fire? >> well, you know, mika, israel obviously does have the right to defend their country and protect their people. the prime minister is correct in saying as he did again yesterday on "meet the press" that the united states or any other country would protect themselves from these similar types of attacks that they're enduring from hamas. just imagine, i've said this
before, imagine if missiles were fired from the mexican border to the united states. by night fall our troops would be in mexico city. so, yes, they have that right. "the wall street journal's" editorial this morning also correctly points out that the international assistance that foreign countries give to gaza that they think is helping to help the plight of the palestinian people and build schools is actually being funneled by hamas into creating this terror economy and that's because hamas is a terrorist organization who again, as netanyahu said yesterday, uses its people to protect its missiles instead of using its missiles to protect its people. you know, israel has also pointed out that hamas uses women and children as human shields. there are literally thousands of justifications for what israel is trying to do in going after hamas. that said, that said, make no mistake of it, mika, with up to a thousand civilians being killed over the past several
weeks, israel is obviously losing this war in the eyes of the world. and i think more tragic for all of those seeking peace in the middle east, before these attacks began, and i want to go to david sanger with this question, but before these attacks began, hamas was isolated, they were bankrupt and they were on the edge of political oblivion. so, yes, israel has a right to move aggressively in gaza, but just because they have that right doesn't mean it is the right strategic move for israel to make. david sanger, i think for those like dr. brzezinski and others who have been seeking peace for such a long time in this region, the great tragedy is that hamas was on the ropes before this fighting began. now they are only empowered in the eyes of the palestinian people or at least a large segment of the palestinian people as protectors against israel. >> joe, i think that's right. hamas has certainly played the
media element of this quite well. but i think something else has also played into it, which is that both sides were dug in, i think, in this case, the israelis and hamas, in ways that i think surprised each other. so israel discovered that this tunnel network was much more extensive than they had believed, and as a result when you had the president saying a week ago, president obama saying a week ago that israel had inflicted significant damage, the israeli assessment was quite different. and hamas, i think, realized along the way that the longer they could keep up these barrages, the more they could demonstrate that they actually had emerged as a much more powerful force than i think many palestinians had believed. by virtue of the fact that the rocket attacks continue even now, even after this pretty comprehensive pounding. and i think that's why both sides have basically rejected
this fascinating plan that my colleague, michael gordon, got ahold of that john kerry was passing around that would have put in a seven-day halt and then immediately gotten discussions going in egypt. and instead they're left with these rolling day-by-day humanitarian pauses, which i think no one has any confidence will continue. >> all right, david sanger, thank you. we turn now to new complications this morning in eastern ukraine and the investigation into the downing of malaysia airlines flight 17. a team of international investigators was forced to turn back from the crash site because of deadly clashes between pro-russian rebels and ukrainian troops. more than a dozen people were killed. an official said they did not feel safe in the area. the resistance from the rebels comes as the u.s. is preparing to make a push for new sanctions against moscow. ukraine's president penned an op-ed over the weekend calling for a tougher international response and he writes in part this. as always, the united states
should take the lead. working together with the european union, washington can shape a worldwide coalition of nations in support of ukraine to ensure that these terrorists are not able to strike again. russia needs to know that the international community is serious. it is long past time for it to act. the state department released new photos that it says proves russia is not only helping the rebels but that shots are being fired from russia into ukraine. this photo shows artillery strikes last week in ukraine involving rounds that officials say are only used by russian military units. u.s. officials also say russia is preparing to give more missiles to the rebels, which moscow denies. meanwhile former secretary of state hillary clinton says despite the obama administration's much publicized reset with russia, she always had doubts about russian president vladimir putin. >> i was among the most skeptical of putin during the time that i was there, in part because i thought he had never
given up on his vision of bringing mother russia back to the forefront, not by looking at what russia could do to be a modern nation but by looking to the past. i think that what may have happened is that both the united states and europe were really hoping for the best from putin as a returned president, and i think we've been quickly, unfortunately, disabused of those hopes. >> "the new york times" is reporting that u.s. intelligence officials say the pentagon is drawing up plans to give the ukraine the exact location of surface-to-air missiles used by the rebels so they can be destroyed. however, the white house has not decided yet if it will approve the plan. joining us now, pulitzer prize-winning author and colonist for "the washington post" anne appelbaum. also with us chief pentagon
correspondent jim miklaszewski. jim, bring us up to date on this latest plan. the white house has yet to make a decision on that. what other options are there on the table? >> i know this won't surprise any of you that the pentagon is planning for all possible options involving u.s. military there in ukraine. but so far, as you said, mika, there have been no decisions made. currently they're looking hard at the possibility of providing the kind of intelligence that would pinpoint those rocket launch systems to aid the ukrainian military in going after them before they're able to fire. but they're also on the table are all sorts of other military options, including providing the ukrainians with some heavy military assistance, some weapons, but so far that's not even close to any serious consideration. the problem here, of course, is that, you know, a couple of days before that malaysia airliner was shot down, we talked to one u.s. intel official who said
putin is playing a dangerous game by giving these missile launchers to the inexperienced separatists because any time you do that, those weapons are out of your control and there's this law of unintended consequences. anything could happen. a couple days later, that malaysia airliner was shot down. and one major consideration is the concern that if the u.s. starts pouring weapons into the ukrainian military that essentially would mark the beginning of a proxy war between the u.s. and the russians, mika. >> mark halperin. >> so, anne, the cold war ends, you're up and russia starts to form closer economic ties but now it ties the hands or at least at some level ties the hands that joe's favorite, the french, have huge economic interest in keeping close ties to russia. what could be done by the united states to try to if not break the economic ties to get the europeans to act despite the existence of all these ties?
>> the first thing is we need to recognize what's happened, namely that the russians have particularly over the past decade begun to invest very carefully and very strategically in politically connected european companies. they have big investments in gas companies all over europe and not only. and they have been using this leverage through companies and through their investments to try and influence the politics of europe. and to some extent they have been very successful. they have big supporters in germany, including a former german chancellor. they have influence in britain, they have influence in france. also surprisingly quite a lot of influence in italy where there are russian -- the head of a major russian gas company is now on the board of an italian tire company, and so the beginning -- the conversation has actually begun of identifying where the influence is coming from and what it means. and in a way, the conversation about sanctions has sped that up. i mean really for the first time
european newspapers and european journalists are talking about this russian influence, which everybody assumed was quite benign and nobody found interesting or important a year or two ago. the united states could help by identifying, by pointing out, by underlining, but ultimately the ihas to come from within europe and from fears within europe that russian money is influencing their own politics. >> jon meacham. >> anne, there are three regions that we tend to talk about at this point, russia and europe, the middle east and china. i think a lot of us three, four years ago would have expected the pacific and asia to have been more of a developing threat perhaps than russia has turned out to be. where do you think the -- we'll be -- will we still be talking about putin and this push over the next couple of years or is it possible that there is an end to this story? >> putin himself has made very
clear what his goal is, and his goal is to unravel europe as we know it. in other words, the european union, nato. he wants to undermine the sense of security that nato guarantees, supposedly gives to eastern europe and to the baltic states. he wants to undermine that sense of security and safety. it's in his interests to break up the european union. the european union is a problem for him. when it acts as a whole, for example, if there were european energy policy to buy russian gas as a whole rather than countries one by one, that's a problem for him. that is his goal and he made it clear explicitly in the statements that he made around his time of the invasion of crimea. so the -- you know, the question is how long will he be there? in ukraine at the moment he has almost -- it's almost double or quits. he's got to -- either he has to pick up -- he'll have to
increase his military aid and increase his aggression in ukraine or he's going to have to pull out. we're going to know within probably the next few weeks what his attitude towards ukraine is. but i think his long-term strategy of undermining europe is not going to go away. >> tom. >> and explain the pentagon calculation that goes into the decision of supplying ukrainian soldiers with u.s. weapons and what type of signal that that then sends to russia. >> well, there's one really critical and i think a legitimate concern on the part of u.s. military officials who say, look, the u.s. cannot provide enough weapons fast enough to enable ukraine to defeat the russian military, that the russians would simply double down and double down again. and in fact escalate the fighting. you know, the president has pointed the finger at putin for escalation of the violence there on the border. it's sort of a catch-22 for the
u.s. too because anything they do militarily would obviously casey late that war. >> thanks to you both. turning now to an extreme weather pattern that is moving across much of the country, including severe thunderstorms, tornados and hail storms. nbc meteorologist bill karins joins us now with the latest on that. bill. >> mika, there's tragedy over the weekend. venice beach, california, not a place you associate lightning strikes with in california but they had one yesterday and it came down and it didn't just hit one person, it kind of spread on the ground. there are reports it could have been right near the water's edge and the lightning spread to the water. about 12 people were affected by that lightning strike and there was one fatality, a 20-year-old who was surfing. so tragedy there. the dangers of lightning. it's our 15th or 16th fatality nationwide as we've gone throughout this year. the other story out there was the severe weather in the east, the tornado in tennessee that went through and destroyed about ten homes. it wasn't a huge tornado but it was pretty intense. there's pictures of it as it was
rolling. you don't associate tornados with the hillsides and mountains either, but this one was not big, but it did a lot of damage there in tennessee. we wish the best to the cleanup of those homes and those families. now let's talk about what's going to happen today. we still have a risk of severe weather. not as bad as yesterday but six million people at risk from coastal carolinas right through southern georgia, all the way down through areas just to the north of mobile. they get a lot of people on vacation from the outer banks all the way down to charleston and hilton head so a lot of people at risk of those strong storms late today. a lot of rain in new england this morning, it's going to pour in boston as we go throughout the morning. yesterday it was brutally hot in the west. fires continue to burn out there. there are 37 uncontained wildfires in washington state and west. we'll be tracking a new tropical storm in the atlantic. this one could threaten puerto rico, but it looks like it should avoid the east coast. we'll watch that for you.
>> all right, bill, thank you. still ahead on "morning joe" an incredible story of one man's journey from absolutely nothing to riches beyond his wildest dreams. plus we'll preview one of wall street's busiest and most important weeks of the summer. also a new outbreak of the deadly ebola virus raising health concerns around the world. we'll bring you up to date on that, next.
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virus after working with infected patients in liberia. the aid workers are both undergoing treatment but remain in stable condition. more than 1,000 people have been affected and nearly 700 killed in the most recent outbreak in west africa. joining us now on set, dr. christina gagliardo, an infectious disease physician in brooklyn. how are you? thank you for coming in today. first of all, the word "outbreak" i don't want to use it too casually but would this be considered an outbreak and how bad is the situation given the latest cases that i just reported there? >> so this situation going on in west africa now is considered an outbreak and it's actually the largest outbreak of ebola that they have had to date. >> and what is behind that resurgence really? >> so the fact -- this is the
largest outbreak because it's actually affecting multiple countries in west africa, currently sierra leone, liberia and one reported case in nigeria. where it typically affects people in remote areas, this is affecting people in urban areas and cities, which is a little different. >> does it lead to the potential that it could travel outside of the continent? >> there's always the potential for someone to get -- you know, to get on a plane and go to really any country even before they had symptoms so there is that potential, yes. >> so here we have these two americans making news for contracting the disease. they work in the health care field, obviously for missionaries purse. but is that the easiest way for people who are out there in service positions like they are to contract the disease, that they're actually dealing with the sick? >> correct. so people working in the health care field who are actually
caring for patients with ebola are actually one of the groups that are at the highest risk of contracting it as well as family members of infected people. actually the people who handle the dead bodies of people who died from ebola, they're the highest risk. >> and going to cities, is that a new concern? because if that is the case, then that could lead to other ways it could spread. >> the fact that it's in cities just means that there's a larger number of people that could potentially be exposed because people in cities are obviously in more crowded living conditions and could potentially come into contact with someone who's infected. >> we'll follow this. dr. christina gagliardo, thank you very much. up next from the orphanage to entrepreneur of the year, an incredible story of resilience, next on "morning joe." when folks think about what they get from alaska,
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a blanket one christmas day because there was no heat in the house. when he was 10 years old, his mother sent him to live in an orphanage. if you ask him, he said he didn't even think he'd be alive today. next i want to introduce you to an amazing entrepreneur. he is the founder and chief executive of a massively successful online country, someone savvy enough to make it through the burst of the dot-com bubble. now his company has reached revenues of $110 million last year, up 72% in just three years time. now, i want to introduce you to our next guest, jason wolfe. he is the chief executive of guestcards.com and he is both the man who i just described. jason, welcome to the show. >> thank you, mika, for having me. >> what a story. what an incredible journey. to what do your credit your success? i'll start big picture with you. >> well, i feel like i've been
blessed. i thank god for milton hershey who started an orphanage in 1909 and i was able to go there in 1980 and graduate in 1987 and i attribute my success to school. >> i know the hershey school, i've been there a few times. it's not just any orphanage, is it? >> no, it's not. it's not like you would think. it's not like orphan annie. it's a very nice campus. the hershey chocolate company, the board of trustees still owns a large percentage of stock so any time you buy a chocolate bar, you're contributing to the milton hershey school. so you can imagine the education that kids receive there, it's top notch. >> you talk about that being a big part of your success and i know the story of the school and i know what they do for the kids blessed enough having been sent there. having said that, your arc in life is literally rags to riches. where do you -- where do you think it really -- what was the
turning point in your life or the change that you made? and i guess i'm also wondering if there's hope for other kids in bleak situations. >> sure. i mean i graduated from that school and they give you a suitcase of clothes and $100 back then. i had to make my life. unfortunately, was in an accident and had major spinal surgery. during that time i was able to start writing code. i created the first coupon site in the mid-'90s. grew that and was successful online and online businesses. really it was fortitude. i was taught at the milton hershey school to work hard, highly ethical, and that's what i did. i just kept at it and over time, probably fortunate too because it was the mid-'90s. the internet wave was starting to come and it was just very good timing for me. >> joe. >> how extraordinary. you go back to some of the stories that we've read about you. christmas day shivering under a
bla blanket. abandoned, it seemed like you had no hope. could you ever have imagined that you could have gotten from that point to where you are now or is that something that you said as a young child, regardless, i'm going to be a success. >> at that age i didn't know really what was going on. i just thought it was part of life, part of being normal. it wasn't until later in life when i reflect back to realize how poor we were and the situation that we were in. so i think it's kind of what you don't know doesn't hurt you. that was one of the things i didn't know. looking at where i was to where i was able to be blessed to come to today with my team of people who have been supporting me, i've been very fortunate through the years with milton hershey school, with a great group of employees to help grow the company and i've just been very blessed. >> jason, this is thomas. we love the story, love the hershey school story as well. just out of curiosity, i know that you give back a lot now. so two things on that.
explain how you are giving back to those coming up behind you and just on a personal level, so many people inspired by your story, your family story, your relationship that you have today if you have one with your parents. have they been able to see your success. >> i've been on several mission trips to haiti through my church so i like to give back. we created a program called you gift, we gift. if folks wanted to go to our website, you could submit a story for a child who may not get a gift for christmas. we load up my rv, drive around and look for these children and give them gifts for the holiday because reflecting back on that time when i didn't have heat in the house and somebody knocked on the door and left a gift for me, it's one of the things we do as a company. and my relationship with my parents, i still have a relationship with my mother. unfortunately, sometimes people go through tough times. my mother had, you know, some tough issues and physical issues and surgery. she couldn't take care of three children. so i don't blame her for that.
i have a great relationship with her. my father, he turned out to be alive. i grew up thinking that he was not alive. he was. he lives in new zealand now and he's a teacher. i still have a relationship with him. i feel like you have to forgive people and forgive issues and move on with life. if you constantly look back and feel sorry for yourself, i think you're going to limit yourself and your success in life. >> jason wolfe, thank you so much for your story and for being on. >> thank you for having me. i appreciate it. coming up, we'll check in on wall street for what will be a very busy week ahead. stay with us, we'll be right back.
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time now for business before the bell. cn cnbc's sara eisen is joining us. sara, what's in store for wall street this week? i know we're coming off of a low for friday. >> it's a very busy week and already kicking off with a few blockbuster deals being
announced. they call it merger monday on wall street and today is a good example why. we just learned that zillow is going to buy trulia. they're both these online real estate firms. you might know zillow where it gives estimates for properties. it already bought street easy. now it's scooping up trulia for $3.5 billion so that is really going to create the biggest online real estate listing firm. the ceo has been on a shopping spree. we also got word this morning that dollar tree is going to be buying family dollar for $8.5 billion. hopefully they're going to combine forces and they want to be able to compete with the likes of walmart and some of the bigger guys -- >> i imagine dollar stays in the title, sara? >> that's kind of essential to their business model. it's all about the strategy here on lower prices but how they're able to milk the profits based
on the low prices that they offer, which has been helpful during the economic recession, but as the economy has gotten better, has improved and people have been spending again, some of these companies especially, especially family dollar, has been under pressure. it's going to be a busy week i mentioned. just want to run through some of the other highlights of the week. wednesday is going to be a big deal because we get second quarter gdp. remember, we're coming off of a first quarter where our economy actually shrank almost 3%. economists are looking for a big rebound because the winter weather is behind us of about 3% plus. we'll see if we get that. we'll also get word from the federal reserve. friday is the monthly jobs report and a ton of earnings friday. we'll hear from p & g, berkshire hathaway. already kicking off with a lot of activity here on wall street. >> thank you so much, sara eisen reporting for us. coming up next, the guest whose life was changed
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st. john's university, bob bell, who's the author of "unmoving fourward, tales and tips for keep moving forward." bob, pleasure to have you on the set. you're from pensacola, florida. joe, you were bob's football coach, right? >> yes, exactly. yeah. >> and bob, i guess you were joe's favorite of all the kids that he coached so that's something about your fighting spirit, which we'll talk about. having said that, i've seen the two of you at events and bob has been there and i have never heard a more inappropriate things come out of someone's mouth. >> out of joe's mouth? >> no, you to joe. i don't know who's worse to each other. the jokes i can't even say on the set here because they're so inappropriate. >> you have tender ears. let me just say this about joe. joe has written a couple of
books about winning. before he tells my story, here's a guy, i talk about the courage, the audacity. i was running back for joe on his high school -- he was my high school football coach. how many people would put somebody in a wheelchair as running back. i rolled for over 2,000 yards. >> you were not in a wheelchair. >> joe didn't care. >> the jokes between the two of you, it's got to stop. >> i tell you what, though, mika, it is incredible, though. of course bob kind of has the sequencing wrong. but bob was a small guy. i saw him run over guys twice his size. he had incredible fighting spirit. mika, when you get to the story of what this book is about, it's that fighting spirit and that positive outlook that made all the difference in bob's life. >> you guys may jab at each other but joe is truly remarkably impressed with you. let's talk about the story. you had one day that changed everything in november of 1989.
>> right. >> you were in a college dorm room. i believe you had a college student throw something at you. what happened? >> no, he put me in a full nelson wrestling hold. that's when they come underneath your arms and push down on the back of your neck. he broke my neck, just horseplaying in the dorm room. it was -- it was an accident and that's why i'm a quadriplegic. >> and in that moment in time that happened. how quickly after -- did you know you were gravely injured at the time? >> i did. i wrote about it in the book. i knew i had a spinal cord injury when it happened. i knew my neck had been broken. of course i didn't understand that i'd spend the next 25 years in a wheelchair and what that would mean. but i knew at that instance, but i talk about in the book that i hit the ground and i said three things. i said no one touch me, this is serious. i said someone call 911. but i did say to the person at that point, i said i forgive
you, i know this was an accident. >> right then and there? >> right then and there. and whether i really and no it at that time, i knew he didn't mean to hurt me to the extent he did. but the next day he was one of the first people to come to the hospital to see me and that's when i really forgave him. you know, i was 19 years old and i didn't really understand everything, but i do know that i told him i asked you to do one thing and that's to never apologize to me again. you need to move on with your life and i need to move on with my life. where that came from, i have no idea but i think that was metaphorically one of my first steps toward healing from that point forward. >> bob, you guys haven't stayed in touch, but you have heard about what he's done with his life and it's a pretty remarkable thing, isn't it? >> yeah. just a few years ago i heard one of the things he is doing is he's a caregiver for a male quadriplegic, someone with an
injury just like mine. so he has had to deal with this in his own way. yeah, i've moved on with my life as well and done the best i could. >> bob, i've heard through the years what an incredible attitude you've had about this. our dear friend dave simmons, his father worked with you and i heard through the grapevine him talking about you had an extraordinary attitude. but you went back to school, you graduated just one year later. you've been a wall street attorney. you've worked in a lot of great jobs. you went back to the university. but talk about your low points and when you face those low points you talk about in this book, how did you get through the fact that you were confined to that wheelchair out of a freak accident and yet you've achieved so much. >> well, you know, the book does -- it's not really a memoir, it's more i have included, i don't even know, maybe like 15 stories but i
broke it down into nine tips about basically how you deal with life's challenges. and in some ways i started off writing it about, you know, i needed this book when i was first injured, when i was 19 years old. i needed that. but then i spread it out more to someone facing any challenge in life, depression, you know, eating disorder, a divorce, anything. and then even further it is in some ways as a college professor, it's for any young person -- you know, my mom often says i became the man at 19 or 20 that she thought i would be at 40 or 50 years old. >> i think you did in that moment that you forgave the boy. humor. you're funny. you especially, has that helped or is it -- has it always just been a part of who you are? >> i think in some ways it's always been a part. no doubt it helps, you know. and the book is about -- you've
got to enjoy life and take what comes to you anyway. having a sense of humor, laughing at yourself, laugh agt joe is easy if you have somebody like joe in your life. >> joe, you have served a purpose. you can now -- you can now close up. the book is "unmoving forward." if you want to teach someone about life, get them this book. >> what a great book for kids going off to college. >> for more information on bob bell's story visit bobbellbooks.com. bob bell, thank you so much. that's it for "morning joe." "the daily rundown" coming up next. >> thank you so much, joe. >> thank you. ♪ ♪
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ahead than the united states and united states companies in trading, and in doing things to build africa. africa is an opportunity, an opportunity that finally, it looks like, some will engage seriously thanks to this president. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. counter suit. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start with what caused a big remarkable reaction last night. i'm talking about the idea of the president turning the tables and suing what he calls this don't do nothing congress. they sue him. people think they should do what i talked about last night, sue them back. many think suing the congress back is the way the president
should respond to what the republicans in the house of representatives did to him last week. think about it. time and again congress has failed to act on even the most roo are teen matters of official business like approving ambassadors for posts overseas. it's failed to do what everyone knows is the business of the country like passing an immigration system, fixing the country's broken down infrastructure. you name it. isn't this a case of congress denying the country honest and faithful service? not doing anything. not even its most minimal official requirements like passing a federal budget. is this why so many people shared, tweeted or commented on the sue congress proposal i made last night? is this why people are reacting with excitement? because they see the unfairness and the republicans in congress daring to approve a legal suit against the president, all the while preventing the government from doing its own job. there are a lot of good people who say the best way for the president to deal with the legal suit against him is to sue the heck out of them.
isn't this the reaction this boehner-headed suit against the president deserved? what else did he expect to be the reaction? joan walsh is the editor at large at salon.com. jonathan capehart is an opinion writer at the washington post, both are msnbc political analysts. joan, you're smiling. i didn't believe the reaction. i came up with the idea. a friend of mine brought it up and i said, you know, that's a good idea. if you want to go tit for tat, a perfect time to do it against a do nothing congress which i believe could be held liable for not doing anything. it has a job. they are paid to do it. they are not doing the simplest things. at what point does doing nothing not earn a suit? your thoughts. >> you touched a nerve. people are frustrated on both sides, particularly democrats.
john boehner will enforce a provision of the law that makes little sense. they reached a low point when they couldn't get a draconian, not good border crisis bill through. then released a statement saying we think the president could do it with executive action when they are suing him for executive action. they have abdicated their responsibilities. it is clear john boehner should sue senator ted cruz for acting as a speaker. there are a lot of people meddling in one direction but not doing their own jobs. you touched a nerve. democrats are very frustrated. looking for an answer. >> cruz coming over is like shooting the tires out of a car that's dead. it seems to me it isn't a question of the president having one plan on welcoit.
there is no other plan. we are going to stop everything and we're not doing nothing. >> exactly. here is the other thing. the boehner lawsuit is a frivolous lawsuitment the idea of the president suing congress right back, i have to say -- >> maybe on the level of frivolity. fair enough. >> but the reaction that you got last night is the same reaction i have been getting writing about the boehner lawsuit. these people do absolutely nothing. >> the lawsuit is a nothing. >> right. >> it won't happen for two, three years, won't get standing. >> here's the thing and why nothing is going to continue to not happen on capitol hill. the people who are on capitol hill right now who are causing all of the gridlock and dysfunction and no, no, no come
from districts that voted them in to do nothing and less than nothing. to cut, dismantle, stop washington from doing what they think is doing wrong. >> i'm not sure of that. i think if you asked people would you like to see the roads repaired, bridges, airports that look like the ones in south africa and china, can we compete. i don't think they would say do nothing. >> no, but you are being rational. >> as i said last night my let me finish commentary generated an amazing response. here are sample facebook posts. from lauren, spot on. our country needs its leaders to start doing its jobs. this congress has yet to be held accountable for their delinquency. who else better to serve them a lawsuit and begin to hold them accountable than the leader and the people who have been failed by their irresponsible behavior. from cheryl, i agree the president should countersue. the only thing the house gop has done by refusing to compromise and obstructing everything is
hurt the american people. they should be penalized for it. from debbie, finally someone thinks what i'm thinking. president obama should sue congress for crimes against the constitution. that's a little strong, but it is an argument people appreciate. what else are you supposed to do? what's the middle of the roader think who wants an enforced, reasonable progressive american immigration system that works, who wants something constructive done on every front? we are not constructing anything on any front. the republicans are doing what they used to do in north carolina, play out the clock. slow it down like a basketball team ten points ahead. do nothing until the country finally elects somebody else and then do nothing when they get elected. >> some solutions actually, chris, could pass the house with a coalition of democrats and moderate republicans. >> do you mean a vote? >> yeah. just put the senate bill up for a vote or something close to it. i think certain infrastructure legislation could get across if speaker boehner had the courage
to stand up to the right wing flank and ted cruz and say, okay, we haven't done it but we'll do crucial things with the help of our democratic friends. there are bills they could do that with. he's not willing to buck the right wing of the caucus to go over across the aisle to work with nancy pelosi except under extreme duress like to re-open the government after that awful shutdown. >> people have to lose more wheels off cars before they fix the highways. since the day the president took office he was stymied. just a sampling of the frustration. this is objective facts, by the way. the president's effort to fix the country's crumbling infrastructure. no vote. raise the min mudge wage, blocked. student loan reform, blocked. tax reform, blocked. immigration reform, no vote in the house. republicans in congress have held 50 plus votes to get rid of the affordable care act. they want to go back past ze
romt even the simple government functions the republicans in congress and the house republican leadership refused to carry out. let's listen. >> even basic things like approving career diplomats for ambassador posts aren't getting done. they are still blocking the ambassador to sierra leone where there is an ebola outbreak. the ambassador to guatemala is being blocked as they demand we do more to stop the flow of unaccompanied children from guatemala. >> i have been accused of this and i accept it. i'm a little more crazy than the president in terms of wanting to see something done quickly. joan, you know what i mean. when he was fighting it out with hillary in 2007, a thousand years ago, i said when will you contest this battle? he eventually did contest it. the calmness, the coolness. did you see his reaction? he's telling the american people
through the press, i have tried to do everything that you want me to do and they won't let me do anything. >> he has this bemused reaction like they won't approve the ambassador to sierra leone where there is an ebola outbreak, to guatemala where kids are coming because of the violence. >> where is the outrage. >> he's laying out the brief against congress. it's not that they are not doing anything. here are the concrete things with real world impacts on the news now. one of the things you didn't put on the list, min mudge wage, student loans. remember the american jobs act? the first bill he introduced, september of 2011, went nowhere. bipartisan idea system he says ten, they say eight, we agree on nine. at least get something moving. >> he's made the point.
he didn't like the border bill. take the pieces we agree on and vote on them. let's get them into law and work on the stuff we don't agree on. they won't do it either. they are looking for a way to jam him, for a way to humiliate him. blocking his agenda and making it hard for him. i'm not saying he's blameless. in this situation making it hard for him to address the crisis that he's been faced with or addresses them with executive action and then he should be impeached. >> everybody's been in the dmv line. the lines are long. sometimes the people behind the counter are slow. i never had one say to me when i get up there, no, i'm not giving you your license. i don't feel like it. that's what the president is doing. he gets up there, waits in line, he get there is and they say, no, we are not giving you the license. get out of here. that's the way they treat the president of the united states in congress.
sue him. we are of like minds. >> thank you. >> coming up, the video with congressman steve king has gone viral. the woman who made it happen is coming here. >> i just don't understand why you want to do that. >> this is not what i do. >> for you to call us names, saying -- >> i don't call you names. no, no. that's drug smuggling. >> do i have calves like cantaloupes? the woman oh is coming here and will join us to talk about dealing with king. plus, reversal of fortune. remember when republicans chose social issues like same-sex marriage against democrats? not anymore. now the issues are cutting the other way. and the tea party's last chance. the primary in kansas is likely to be the last hope of picking off an incumbent republican senator. there will be a hot vote tonight. let me go with the danger of leaving africa to the chinese. this is "hardball," the place
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of the gop clown car and is driving it into a ditch. the latest crash test was caught on tape. it happened just yesterday at an event with kentucky senator rand paul in iowa. it's gone viral, of course. it begins with king when king and paul are confronted by two hispanic activists, erica andioli and caesar vargas, college-educated organizers able to move freely in this country thanks to president obama's dream order. that allows some undocumented immigrants to stay here if they have been educated here. king said they have calves the size of cantaloupes and are hauling marijuana across the border. rand paul left abruptly when erica gives congressman king the identification card and dares
him to show opposition by ripping it up. >> go ahead and rip it up. i don't understand why you have been wanting to do that. >> this is not what i do. >> for you to call us names. saying we have calves like cantaloupes. i don't understand. >> that's drug smuggling -- please. you're very good at english. >> i was raised in the united states. >> right. so you can understand the english language. don't act like you don't. >> i'm not acting like i don't understand. >> no, you are. you're saying something that's not true. >> what is it? >> i spoke of drug smugglers. you're not one of them, are you? it troubles me that you have disrespect for the laws of the united states of america. >> i love this country. >> you're telling me you don't have to awibide by the laws of e country. >> go home! >> you need to go home! >> do not import lawlessness into america. i'm sorry you come from a
lawless country. i hope you can have a happy life. but please -- >> thank you, sir. if you want to rip it, let me know and i will bring it back. >> that will be a nice video for you but it won't happen. >> it's shg you have been advocating for. i was giving you the opportunity. >> you saw erica there. she's the national director for the dream coalition. i have a few minutes for you. give me a sense of what you expected to happen when you confronted congressman king, what you thought of him before and what happened. >> we have been fighting hard to get daca, the card i showed him, asked him to rip it up. he's been fighting against it over and over again. he took a vote in the house. pretty symbolic vote. won't happen. but they passed something to get rid of daca. if you want to fight against dreamers, show me you mean it and rip up the card. >> good missouri. >> he didn't do it. >> did he know what you meant. i have never met you but you made a dramatic statement. you brought him the card that
came out of daca that gave relief to young people in the country because their parents brought them a at a young age. learned english, you have done everything right. you wanted him to rip it up in front of you. did he know what you were doing? did he know what the card was? >> i explained it to him. apparently he's been fighting against it for so long. i'm guessing he knows what it is. to me it was really we are fighting now to expand this to our parents. for the president to expand his executive authority on immigration. you know, steve king is one of the people that's fighting against it. we are going to show steve king who we are as dreamers, show our courage. with this we are hoping the president shows his courage against his people, against steve king and other republicans and uses his executive authority. >> let me ask you about the personal confrontation. people can disagree about immigration policy. as the free country. we'll find something workable down the road.
this guy wouldn't say to you what he said to the public. he said hispanic people, mexican-americans came from across the border are all people running drugs and they have legs the size of cantaloupes because they are carrying so much marijuana on their backs. how did he squirm away from making that accusation against you personally when you said he was making it against you personally. >> that's one of the most powerful things about having dreamers speak out for ourselves. we have been speaking out a couple of years now. it's amazing to share our stories. it's hard for people without having us in front of them to make the same sometimes racist statements against us. he kept saying if i spoke english. i was obviously speaking english the entire time. >> he was impressed. >> yeah. >> he deals in cartoons. he is a cartoon. thank you very much. good luck with the work. you know what you're doing. >> thank you. >> i don't have to tell you how
to do your job. you are doing it. >> thank you. >> we have mature fellows here to talk about this now. michael steele was chair of the republican national committee. eugene robins from the washington post, both are msnbc political analysts. immigration policies, a fair debate. every country finds a way to enforce the laws and say how much they can take. who gets in. but this thing by him seems to be on a different level. >> how do you mean? >> cantaloupe-sized calves. what's that about if not a bizarre ethnic slur. >> it's an exaggeration of, you know of an idea, a fact or whatever. it's pejoratively casting people in a way to make a political point. >> what was the point he was trying to make? >> stereotyping. playing to the concerns and fears, the stereotype people have. >> it's not a stereotype people
have. i'm tough on -- >> chris -- >> i want to find a solution. >> there are people who do believe every person coming across the border is a mule for drug runners. >> there are? >> they write to me. >> they believe in the stereotype. >> yeah, but what difference does it make? some people leave it. >> how come the guys who work in agriculture. >> they are woven into the fabric of society taking care of our children, doing all the jobs that need to be done. >> you don't think this is extraordinary behavior, these comments? >> no. i think some of the comments were extraordinary.
>> they are going to drive hispanic people out of your party. >> absolutely. there was nothing inviting about that conversation. >> i will turn the pillow to the cool side. this is just antiblack racism. not just steve king feeding off racial issues. after yesterday's circus stunt the tea party congressman mo brooks blamed the president the for declaring war on whites. he went further. in an interview with the huntsville times he said, quote, what the democrats are doing is dividing america by race. they are waging a war on whites. i find that repugnant. the democrats are openly soliciting votes of people based on skin color. that's wrong. nobody should be attacked based on skin color. i don't know of a single republican who made p an appeal for votes based on skin color. gene, you grew up with this. i don't know. >> what i grew up with was more sophisticated and subtle than that. >> white power is a phrase i
have heard. this guy is a u.s. congressman today. >> today. >> he's in office now. >> a war on whites. it's breathtaking really. he got a second bite at the apple, too. he said the stuff in a radio interview and then the birmingham newspaper said -- >> is that what you really mean? >> oh, yeah, absolutely. >> you're not going to defend -- let me be clear i don't have to defend crazy. >> he was dignified on the show last week. >> again, this is speaking to a stereotyped fear that more whites are having in various parts of the country as the demographics in this country change. >> i agree. >> they are now having to figure out how to grasp at the new reality that in 5r, 10, 15 year the white majority will be the minority. >> in this district -- >> the right wing media outlet. >> okay. let me -- >> this thing of white --
>> you came from south carolina. there's always been a large population percentage-wise of african-americans in the deep south, the cotton south. 17% african-americans. that's not a huge number in the deep south. it's like alabama, south carolina, mississippi. that's where people grew up. >> yeah. >> what's your point? >> so? >> why is he so scared now? he's a mature man. >> because a black guy is president, chris. do you think it has anything to do with it? do you? >> number one. and number two -- >> you bit into into that peach really well. i saw you delightfully eating that peach with that argument. >> the growth in hispanics in the south. >> how many black senators do we have from the south? >> one. >> republican. >> tim scott. >> not like they're taking over. >> again, it's about the demographic shifts and the landscape is smaller for folks who feared -- >> the only hispanics we have in the u.s. senate from the south are marco rubio and cruz.
>> yeah. >> count them. >> all republicans. >> strange attacking going on here. very strange. when it comes to racial politics, mo brooks is anything but a saint especially with his view of hispanics entering this country illegally. this is how brooks pitched himself to voters during his first term in office. >> as your congressman on the house floor i will do anything short of shooting them. anything that's lawful needs to be done. illegal aliens need to quit taking jobs from american citizens. >> okay, he's going to shoot them. what's short of shooting. i didn't know if the jobs were posted. some were tough jobs. he wants to shoot them if nothing else works. this is your crowd. you chose to be a republican. >> this is an outlier. this is not a representative of
where republicans are. >> as they say on the news there is no news until there is an accident. maybe these are accidents but they are more typical. gene has heard it before, too. >> well -- >> you don't get the right mail yet. >> this victimization is more intense as they become -- feel more beleaguered. >> how about making him work for free for 350 years. >> what an idea. >> 350 years working without a single payday. isn't that a white idea? remember that deal? the thank you, michael steele. with inflation. thank you. coming up, steven colbert fires up the way-back machine next in the sideshow. this is "hardball," the place for politics. being the new kid on the block can be intimidating. take your
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harold green. he was shot by a gunman wearing an afghan military uniform. others were wounded including americans. a second american aid worker suffering from ebola is at emery hospital. nancy whitebol is weak but showing signs of improvement after being evacuated from liberia and a cease-fire remains in place. israeli and palestinian negotiators are having talks on a long-term truce. back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." democrats used to play defense on issues like gay rights and the hot button social issues were wedges used by the right to divide the democrats. as john harvard writes today the script is upside down. now the values we think cuts for democrats. demographic change keeps shrinking nixon's silent majority. president bill clinton and a republican congress overhauled welfare. fear of crime has receded enough members of both parties propose
lenient sentencing. college students from the summer of love are pushing 70. hmm. the elders who disapproved of their behavior are largely gone and young adults wonder what the turmoil was about. democrats profit politically among young voter rs college graduates, single women, blacks and latinos from the sense that they welcome cultural shifts while republicans resist them. these cultural issues, but among republican primary voters there is no appetite to change course. that means republican politicians are trapped now democratic strategist and john breakbender. john, is it true some of the states like colorado, as i have noticed, if you talk social cultural issues like birth control there are winners from the democrats because it brings out the women voters. >> let's be honest. when democrats talk about it they are hitting the republican opponent. it's not like they are switching sides. >> it used to be republicans --
your party took ohio back in 2004 and blew kerry out by going up to don king and karl rove and scared the ministers on the issue of same sex marriage. look at the numbers. >> it's -- >> it's a particular charge that your party used fear of same-sex marriage to get out the vote. >> let me go back to the original question since we are having this little dialogue. what you are seeing is democrats are not running with your president. they are not running with obama. >> right. >> all right. now they have to go to wenl issues and they are doing what republicans did years ago. they are going to wedge issues to make the campaign about anything but this president, the economy and many of the other factors. that's why they are talking about social issues. in colorado, the democrat is up against cory gardner with an ad on social media. >> they have said they are going to take their gun away no matter what the economy. >> let's be clear. this is because of obama. >> there are wedge issues normal
in politics. there are good wedges and bad. their way of separating people from constituencies. democrats don't seem afraid of gay rights anymore. certainly not birth control. they like it. >> the numbers have shiftded. as you go younger in the electorate where the turnout is a challenge those issues become more popular. it's a turn out strategy but also who sounds reasonable. the personhood amendments would make abortion, if you actually passed it would make it illegal in the first ten weeks of pregnancy. just -- >> how would personhood work if four of five times the egg doesn't attach to the uterine wall. ares they persons if it doesn't begin development? >> that's a question for ed gilespie. republicans have campaigned and defended it. that's a medical question. the fact is at whatever point the person is formed, and the
attachment occurs they are protected under the constitution under this amendment. just as most americans don't think abortions should be legal in the last ten weeks most americans don't think it should be illegal in the first ten. >> i think single women are pet ary identified generally by moves by male office holders and lawmakers to do things like personhood when they know. when you learn this stuff such a preponderance of cases, there is not a child born of every sexual act. you don't have a child every time you have sex. in cases where you have the egg fertilized by the male and the female 80% don't become a child. >> i'll like i'm talking to bill nye the science guy. >> it's called learning
something you didn't moe. >> every time i come i learn something. >> i'm trying to learn. >> here is what i don't understand. i see democrats running ads saying they want to ban contraception. give me one republican presidential candidate ever that wanted to ban contraception. >> rick santorum brought it up. >> never wanted to ban it. >> he brought up the issue. >> i was his media consultant. i know more. >> why did he bring it up? >> he didn't want taxpayer funding of contraception. that's different. >> he said we can discuss birth control. he said it in an interview system. >> he said clearly as his wife did on cnn he would never make that decision for somebody else. he would not ban contraception. no one said it. but it shows up in ads. >> it shows up that they would make contraception unavailable for women through health care plans. >> let's go to where we were all schooled on. votes. the nbc wall street journal poll
out tonight shows the biggest ever gender gap on what party americans want to control the congress. men say it should be republicans. by a 14-point margin women say democrats should be in charge. the way they count it is to add them up. a 31-point gender gap which is a dramatic statement. john, how do you explain it? >> i'm surprised by the extreme of the number. certainly we have seen this gender gap for 20 -- >> why sit growing? >> one of the reasons is the democrats did -- and i will argue effectively run on what they called the war on women. i think that had resonance. >> just got the information. i love the producers. apparently santorum in the last election, you're smiling because you're remembering this. he talked about the dangers of contraception. >> everybody agrees that if not controlled improperly and health care involvement there can be -- this is why you do need a
prescription to get it. here's my question. you want to go down these. >> politicians should vote on the dangers of birth control. you say you don't know where the gender gap came from. >> nobody, including him, ever said anything about banning contraception yet that's what planned parenthood put out. >> i'm sorry. i was a voter and i heard a guy say it's dangerous, i would say he's against it. >> it's a dog whistle in the iowa caucus. >> he won. i know. guess what. republicans use language and want to run away from the clear meaning of the language. >> john has been straight for us. the gender gap is growing. you say it's the democrats' effective use of the issue. what do you say? >> i don't know why the men are opposed to the democrats. >> more socially conservative probably. >> or jobs or economics. >> it's not complicated. steve mcmahon, you like obama. john brabender, you don't.
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african-american heads of state and government this week in washington. the largest number of leaders of the world to come since kennedy's funeral. the african leaders' summit afre first time an american president in one single conference. the primary goal of the gathering in town is to boost economic partnerships between the nearly 200 american and african businesses also in attendance. today, president obama announced $14 billion in commitments from u.s. companies to get over there and invest in africa. chevron, coca cola, mastercard, marriott, and walmart, making huge investments in expanding their presence into the continent. as a result of the summit, the united states hopes to leave a lasting footprint on the african continent, vastly improve the conditions for its people over there. joining me right now, the united states ambassador to the country of south africa. thank you, patrick, mr. ambassador for having me on tonight. >> why are you thrilled by the
chance to represent this country in south africa, the biggest potential in africa economically? >> well, chris, as you know, i was very actively involved in the anti-apartheid movement as a young person coming up. not that long ago i was helping to organize arrests in front of the south african embassy here and always had a profound affinity for the country as you do as well. this moment of inflection for africa, we're seeing more direct investment instead of foreign aid, i thought it was a great opportunity to come and make a marker for our country in south africa. >> let me ask you about african-americans, a lot of whom watch this show. i meet them everywhere. do they have -- is there a growing -- i've always thought there wasn't a great affinity for africa the way there is some people toward their backgrounds, me and the irish, jewish people in israel, europe. is there a gap there? >> i've seen a pronouncedd gap. obviously folks are not entirely sure where they actually came from. we've seen through the genetic projects over the last few years
that people have real identity with certain countries in west africa in particular. so we've seen growth in cultural interests and increasingly in business interests as well. there are african-american entrepreneurs making their mark in africa every single day. i talk to all of them who only in through south africa. >> what do you do every day as ambassador or south africa? it's a hell of a job. do you meet with american business guys, african-americans, white americans if you will, i want to drop money over here, do business over here? >> as your mentor tip o'neill always said, take your job seriously, don't take yourself seriously. i have the best job. i work with companies in south america to grow their base, create real community b beneficiation. we have regional interests in peace and security issues and south africa plays a leading role in that. we work to partner with them and encourage the relationship. >> i don't like the way chinese
go into africa, we'll build you an airport, we want mineral rights for the next 100 years. they'll take the money, airport, or highway. next thing you know, their entire zinc ore is gone for the next 100 years or gold or oil or gas or whatever, tin. isn't that frightening? that's going on. >> you know, those relationships are extractive. i've heard vice president joe biden say it best. we offer partnership, true partnership, and real training. we've got companies there that are doing actual skills transference on the ground. you should look -- >> the chinese bring their own people in. >> who stay. >> oh, they do stay. >> who stay for years. there's not a transference of those skills and industries to africans. obviously we have to protect and look out for american interests everywhere in the world. but there we're growing jobs -- >> i'm with you on this. i've got to ask you about -- president george w. bush did a great job on pepfar. major cause for everybody in this country which is fighting
aids over there. how about ebola? >> we've saved billions of lives. look, with ebola, it's concentrated in about four countries right now. it is contained. centers with disease control with the great leadership are working closely with africans to make sure we bring some much-needed relief and make sure this does not explode. >> what good is going to come out of this summit this week? >> the $14 million commitment that's growing every single day and most importantly we're going to change the narrative and entire conversation on aftrica. everyone is wanting to invest on the ground, grow businesses there. last year, alone, $6 billion was jen raced by ge. you can bet that has an impact in peoria. >> congratulations. >> thank you. >> it's great. never heard a better pitch for africa. thank you, ambassador patrick gaspard. very food friegood friend of th president, by the way. you can actually say you know the guy. >> thank you, chris.
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let me finish tonight with africa. when i was there in the 1960s working in small business development in swazilandswazila the strong influence of china and cross roads of tanzania in the '60s. i remember the battle of the posters, propaganda between china and the old u.s.s.r., communists fighting for continent. today china doesn't use propaganda. it makes deals, builds airports and other infrastructure in exchange for future rights to oil, gas, and minerals. it gets a permanent enduring
draw on africa's resources in exchange for short-term expenditu expenditure. it buy s africa one deal at a time. african leaders desperate for help are there to make the deal, paying for what they need now with what china will take in the future. take from the very heart of africa. they even bring in their own workers to do the construction jobs. what can the united states offer africa? as an alternativalternative? that's the challenge, isn't it? to me, there's something really important we want in africa. we want the continent to make it. won't it to grow in economic strength and education and health. we want it to be self-reliant and successful. all for the very clear reason that a failed africa will be a frightening place, fall victim to terrorists and killers of wildlife and plague. a failed africa, by the way, will not suffer alone. besides, all of us have been interest. many of us in america have historic roots in africa. if you go far enough back, science informs us, all of
welcome back, everybody. let's get a check on the day ahead before tossing over to "morning joe." rick perry dips his toe to be i hampshire today with business leaders attending a gop reception. bob mcdonnell is back on the stand again today in the corruption trial against he and his wife maureen. that is going to do it for "way too early." great week, everybody! know what day it is? payday friday! "morning joe" starts right now! ♪ >> president obama played eighth round of golf of his vacation today. he's played so much golf, i guess he is getting pretty good but still not at the pro level yet and i'll show you what i mean. here is rory mcilroy's tee shot. >> in the hole! >> they are yelling get in the
hole, get in the hole. now see the difference with obama's swing. listen. >> get back to the white house! >> get back to work! >> get back to work! get back to the white house. >> get back to work, get back to the white house. >> that's pretty good. >> that's funny. >> hi. a little bit of a controversy that the president gets for sure. >> every president. >> why did you wear the same sweater? >> vomiting blue on the set. >> blah! >> blah! >> can i just say i want to wear my t-shirt? >> do it. it's friday. why not? >> hello, thomas. >> good morning. >> when you get to be our age, it will be harder for you to get yourself together in the morning. i'm just saying. >> it's hard. >> yes, it is! >> it's friday! >> there is a very blue theme going on over here. >> payday friday!
>> check your apps and pay your bills, people! it's a good day to be an american. >> thomas has been in a great mood since 3:00 a.m. like rambling on. i like it a lot but sometimes it's a little much. >> i got paid! >> mika is bringing it this morning! >> no kids. kids? >> do i have kids? no. a dog. a nice little beagle. >> interesting. kids, no kids. that's all. >> you're staring at me like you're appalled. >> kids? what? >> i can tell by the price tag on your sweater. >> i'm going to just -- listen, if you guys don't get mika like a different color here, i'm going to take this off and just wear my gray t-shirt. okay. >> do i have to change? >> while you go to a clip, i'm going to a great t-shirt. >> i think i should get a blue shirt and we should go all in on
this blue thing. what do we have here? >> a lot of news to cover. >> the press conference yesterday was scary. >> the pentagon, oh, my gosh. we start with that. we are also following the trial in virginia of governor bob mcdonnell and it is getting extremely personal. really big questions about that. first, u.s. officials are offering grim warnings about the terror group behind the beheading of an american journalist. the nation's top general says it may be impossible to stop the militants without them hitting iraq and syria. >> isil is a sophisticated and well-funded, as any group that we have seen, they are beyond a terrorist group and this is beyond anything we have seen. we must prepare for everything. and the only way you do that is you take a cold steely hard look
at it and get ready. >> this is an organization that has an apocalypse end of day strategic vision which will eventually have to be defeated. to your question can they be defeated without addressing that part of the organization which resides in syria, the answer is no. that will have to be addressed on both sides of what is essentially, at this point, a nonexistent border. >> he let's bring in nbc news chief pentagon reporter jim miklaszewski who was at the briefing yesterday. jim, as you've been watching this, we have been talking about this for a week. you got a sense of a week and a half ago that the white house realized that isis was a threat they no longer could ignore. talk about humanitarian assistance and then arming the kurds and bombing and then couple of days later we are going in helping them take over a dam. now we are actually talking about and i don't want anybody to take this the wrong way.
i'm not being critical. i am saying it is remarkable that just a couple of weeks later, we actually have generals going out, obviously, at the white house guidance and talking about the possibility of actually bombing syria. talk about -- >> necessity. >> talk -- out of total necessity. talk about how quickly our focus is expanding. >> well, joe, we talked about this last week. when we talked about the u.s. backing iraqi and kurdish forces with air strikes to take the mosul dam. that was the opening salvo in what was going to be, according to some officials we were talking to, a long running war with isis, at least there in iraq for the time being. nobody is under any illusion that i circumstances can simply be contained there in iraq and the fear, of course, as we have also talked about, is that the
threat from isis there in iraq is going to spread not only through that region, but could eventually find its way here to the united states in terms of terrorist attacks because they do have, for the time being, only a small number, a handful of americans within their ranks. they think that success that isis had in iraq is only drawing in more recruits and their numbers are thought to be about 17,000 right now, joe. >> all right. >> we talked about that news conference being sobering. a lot of people who saw it, i just wonder what your thoughts were, mick. you go to these all the time. yeah. >> reporter: well, the president has said -- you know, he was eluding to the fact this was going to take sometime. i don't think the u.s. government was leveling with the american people. the folks we were talking to said this is going to be a long, hard slog, not to quote donald rumsfeld but this is going to take some time. we had talked about that also
earlier. first you have to contain them in iraq. then you have to go after the leadership as general dempsey was talking about. and he didn't say it was necessarily going to be the u.s. he says this has to be a broad international effort. and, so far, except for some humanitarian assistance, we haven't seen any other of our european allies in particular weigh in and they are just as threatened potentially as the u.s. is because many of those isis members are european. so europe -- european. so that has raised some level of disappointment here in the pentagon. >> right. >> reporter: but, first, they have to deny that safe haven in iraq and just like al qaeda, and just like the attempts over the years to get osama bin laden, they are going to have to cut the head off that snake and go after the isis leadership. >> thomas? >> wow. >> mick, explain to all of us why we aren't talking about bashar al assad when it comes to the equation. i think most people getting read
in on this know the last time we were talking about saeyria, it' president obama against assad and you better not cross that line. now we are talking about syria, no one is talking where al assad stands on isis. is he a trusting partner in trying to eliminate isis from his own country and are we really going to bomb syria and not have bashar al assad on board? >> reporter: it's not clear, first of all, the u.s. is launching air strikes inside syria but it would not be inside syria. technically, geographically it would be across the border but they would be going after what is now considered to be the isis state, the isis nation of terrorism. quite frankly, bashar al assad is sitting back there in damascus watching all this probably with some amusement because the u.s. finds itself in
a battle with the same enemy which assad does. it's a strange partnership. you know, politics makes strange bedfellows of war and sometimes even makes stranger bedfellows. in this particular case, this narrow instance, assad and the u.s. are on the same side and wanting to get rid of this threat from isis. >> nbc has learned new details about the effort to rescue james foley. last november, foley's family received an encrypted e-mail in english demanding 132 million dollar ransom. after a brief e-mail exchange the captors were not heard from again until last week, when a furious message from the group promised foley's death in retaliation for american air strikes. later on "morning joe," we are going to be speaking to the parents of journalist james foley about their son's work overseas and the government's attempt to save his life. that is coming up in our 7:00
hour. nbc, jim miklaszewski, thank you very much. we will be following you on this. we move on to the krups tri -- corruption trial of former virginia governor bob mcdonnell. it was yesterday in richmond where the former governor delved deep in what he calls a troubled marriage. in an e-mail he told his wife this. i want to be in love, not just watch movies about it. i am so spiritually and mentally exhausted from being yelled at. i don't think you realize how you are affecting me and sometimes others with your tongue. and when asked on the stand whether he thought his wife was having an affair with a donor of the center of it all, he said, no. but when asked whether they had a strong emotionally relationship, he said yes. all of this is being used to show that their marriage was so fractured that they couldn't have conspired to solicit
thousands of dollars in exchange for favors. >> sam. >> senior marriage correspondent? >> senior marriage correspondent of "the huffington post." mika is very skeptical. >> who are you skeptical of? >> she is skeptical their marriage is that broken. she thinks they are going to be found not guilty and go out on the courthouse steps and kiss and say, we got them. no double jeopardy. it will be the end of a great movie. >> it's not what i think but okay. >> she thinks it's all a big scam. i don't think it's a big scam. i think you look at what everybody said about his wife and it looks pretty ugly. >> marital disputes have two sides obviously. i would be curious what e-mail she sent him if she ever released those e-mails and i would love to see them. but there is something inherently sad about it. >> yeah. i'm sorry i hurt you?
>> yeah, the whole thing is very sad and unfortunate and it's bizarre it's gotten to this point that this is now the sort of crux of his defense i was estranged from my wife that our relationship is so bad we couldn't conspire could be corrupt. i don't know what the legal basis of this could be and how it will get them off on this, but it goes to show you so many bizarre things happen behind the scenes with politicians' lives that it's not this glamorous thing they put up. >> oh, when you're in such a spotlight like that and you bring your family alone, it really changes the dynamic and things come out in people. >> the alternative universe, this man could have been mitt romney's vice president. >> oh, my gosh. >> we could have been seeing this play out at the old executive office building. >> i think -- >> why are you skeptical? >> i'm going to bring in a reporter who is covering this. what i question and i don't think there is -- i don't know what is going on. but i just think there is such an avid fervent effort to show
how fractured they were. i don't believe it. >> let me say this. you can have a very acrimonious marriage and talk about the nice rolex watches that you're receiving. >> no way he did not know about all of these things. >> maybe. >> that kind of goes against everything that he has proved about himself as a successful person. >> we don't know that. >> i think so. >> listen. his wife seemed to want to have an affair with this jonnie williams guy. >> yeah. >> she probably wasn't sharing everything with him. i'm just guessing. >> listen. there is two sides to this story. i'm curious what her e-mails say. >> let me just -- i have a question for the reporter. >> why don't we hear her side, though? >> exactly! now that -- >> why is she not defending herself? >> you just answered my question. do you know what i'm saying? you make funny of the ruse that might be going on here and yet
there is no pushback? >> that makes me sad. >> let's bring in "wall street journal" valerie bord line. valerie, am i the only one looking at this thinking something doesn't make sense here? >> i think you have the question on the mind of every person in this courtroom which has been packed because for four weeks, the question has been is this just so much kabuki theater we are seeing between the two people and not communicating or is the marriage that fractured? i think a sense especially after mr. mcdonnell gave the chronology of the troubles in their marriage yesterday morning a sense from the people around and friends that this is really a marriage that is as mr. mcconnell describes it in deep, deep trouble. >> okay. and, yet, will we hear, i guess maybe concerns from the other side? is this going to become some sort of divorce trial?
are we going to hear her side in this? i guess that is number one. number two, the other question that i have would be how could he not know about some of these massive sort of exchanges that took place? is that even possible? >> well, i think to your first question, mrs. mcdonnell is not expected to take the stand. her attorneys have said that. she's not on the witness list so we don't expect to hear it from her mourth. mr. mcdonnell said yesterday his wife often didn't write him back. particularly from the labor day in 2011 he tapped that out on his blackberry in the middle of the three-day weekend and they weren't speaking and he said she didn't respond. it wasn't said in opening arguments we would hear extensively on that point. it was bolsters she had a crush on mr. williams if we don't see that content. one of the things that came up yesterday mr. mcdonnell says he
is living with his parish priest. it's a blog that many priests would keep but yesterday he talked about mcdonnell trial by name and he said something i think gets at what you're talking about, what are we seeing? he said is any married person reading this and want to stand in front of the public and tell the whole truth about their life? it's a enriching experience i think for a lot of people to see. >> valerie, for you as a reporter, this has to be interesting to cover because this is not about a celebrity divorce. this is about federal corruption charges that have been brought against a virginia governor and it seems as if the behind the scenes kabuki theater of the relationship of a jonnie williams maybe trying to buy access of the governor through maureen mcdonnell is what is really playing out here and that is the relationship that is being vetted more than what the
governor actually knew about where this flow of cash was coming from. >> reporter: mrs. mcdonnell's attorney say if he was trying to buy her influence, she didn't have influence to sell because she wasn't a public figure. she was not elected to anything. so it's very important for prosecutors to tie mr. mcdonnell's complicity in this arrangement. i think we expect mr. mcdonnell to take the stand again this morning and he is still on direct examination by his attorney. prosecutors on the cross-examination, they don't care about the state of the marriage. they want to know when you hosted a luncheon and appeared at this luncheon, mr. mcdonnell, that honored mr. williams, why did you do that and give people samples of his product? why did you, you know, why did you ask various members of your administration to work with with him? they will say we don't care.
we don't care about the state of your marriage. we care about the acts you took as the governor. >> given that is the question ultimately, i'll try this from a different angle. maureen mcdonnell is being raked over the coals. her reputation is being completely destroyed and, yet, she's not ever going to take the stand? she's not ever going to speak for herself? is her team and is she okay with this? >> she is facing legal troubles in owner own right and they are calculated putting her on the stand is too much of a risk to take at this point. the question that mcdonnell has to answer why did he take these specific actions buying 30,000 share in williams company that he, himself, did. if you're so estranged from your wife and everything is going through your wife, why do you personally buy those shares? that is the question he has to answer. >> "wall street journal" valerie bord land, thank you so much. >> thank you, valerie. >> come back and keep us up-to-date. appreciate it. still ahead on "morning joe," once wasn't nearly enough
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west africa. dr. kent brantly was released from emory university hospital on tuesday. both patients went through a series of tests to ensure they are not contagious. >> i wouldn't be hugging this guy. >> in an emotional speech -- well, apparently he is ebola free. that is amazing. he said it was miracle to be standing there. take a listen. >> today is a miraculous day. i'm thrilled to be alive, to be well, and to be reunited with my family. above all, i am forever thankful to god for sparing my life and i'm glad for any attention my sickness has attracted to the plight of west africa in the midst of this epidemic. please continue to pray for liberia and the people of west africa and encourage those in
position of leadership and influence to do everything possible to bring this ebola outbreak to an end. >> both patients were treated with an experimental drug but doctors say it is not clear if it helped in their recovery. that's incredible. >> it was amazing. that was the medical team that worked on him and he gave each and every single one of them a big hug to say thank you. he looks great and we will wait to see if nancy writebol comes in to the cameras. tampa bay times. a heart warming story out of st. pete. a pay forward act of kindness lasted 11 hours because around 7:00 a.m. on wednesday morning, a woman going through the drive-thru paid for our ice coffee and pick up the tab for the driver behind her. the starbucks employees explained to the drive that came up next what happened the driver paid for the drink that came up behind them. this sparked a pay it forward moment because the baristas kept
explaining what happened and the act of kindness being kept paying forward. it happened for 378 people until around 6:00 p.m. a woman just said she wanted to pay for her drink. employees said she did not understand fully the pay it forward idea so maybe they did not explain the concept what took place at 7:00 a.m. >> i don't think that's heart warming but okay. it's starbucks. they are like a couple of dollars so you've got people who can -- that's great. >> a couple of dollars? it's seven or eight bucks! >> so rich, mika. >> no, i don't think that is heart warming! >> it's hard to afford a coffee that costs that much. >> i think it's a starbucks commercial actually. >> hey, the lady ahead of you paid for your drink. wow, that's so sweet. >> that's not heart warming. it's nice but not heart warming. >> you're a cold person. >> come on. i've seen you do much nicer things for people. >> i to.
that's why i believe stuff like that -- >> it's a seed of hope. >> you got to plant that. "usa today" has a story. >> paralyzed olympics -- this is actually olympic swimmer amy van dyke took her first steps on thursday. this this would be heart warming. following an atv accident this summer. the six-time gold medalist posted videos on instagram as she used a bionic exo -- skeletal device. the crash severed her spine and it comes two months after the crash. >> walking! no, actually, i'm walking back into it. >> amy, when you get to the bottom, another step. take this step here. >> now that is amazing. >> so inspiring. >> yeah. that's incredible. >> so positive. >> she is going to walk. >> the technology has taken us
that far and only get better and better. >> she has a little bit of feeling and that is hopeful for her. >> it's great news. >> wish her all of the best. the next store from "the washington post." legislation in new york city looks to crack down on times square, costume characters amid ael allegations of harsh tactics for tourist tips. the bill will require anybody who earns tips and changes their appearance to go through a registration process. so they would then be subjected to a background check and be required to wear a visible i.d. tag while they are in costume. >> molestation charges and groping and stuff like that, elmo. starring as elmo, today, merv, the perv. >> the eyeballs are a little off and a little matted. >> they are dirty. >> if you see an extra tall
elmo. >> but they have been a little aggressive for tourists and some don't understand the concept that you're supposed to tip minnie or mickey moose. >> they get aggressive. a kaola bear was saved after hit by a car crossing the road. where do we get these stories? are re covering this? scurried up a tree where it passed out. it was removed from the tree and attempted to revive it with a heart massage. >> look at the mouth! >> that is mouth-to-mouth! >> a wildlife rescuer gave the koala mouth-to-mouth.
let's find a better story. "the kansas city star" one of the stars of "dating naked" is suing because they aired a clip of her naked. >> that's what it's called, right? >> but they promised her a blurry. the controversial new dating show features contestants who go on dates with strangers totally nude. the cast member said she was told by the network that all nudity was blurbed out but a part of her body "slipped through the cracks." >> what is happening to morning papers? >> it "slipped through the cracks." it happens. >> is that show real? >> it's a real show. >> really, it's not. why are you all saying yes in unison? have you seen it? >> i've seen a trailer for it. >> have you seen it? >> it's kind of funny.
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♪ 36 past. time for the must read opinion pages. joining us from burlington, vermont. >> all right. >> former vermont governor and former chairman of the democratic national committee, howard dean. good to have you on board. >> nice to be back. nice to be back. >> lucky guy. we are going to read charles krauthammer who writes this in. . . stopping the worst people on earth. these are the worst people on
earth. they slave and murder men en masse. these are not the usual bad guys out to land and power. they celebrate slaughter and glory and blood lost and slit the throats of innocence as a kind of sack rah sacrament. for a series rollback campaign obama will need public support. he has to explain the stakes and the larger strategy. his weak and passive rhetorical reaction to the beheading of american journalist james foley was a discouraging missed opportunity. quote, people like this ultimately fail obama said of foley's murderers but perhaps could be a long way and thousands of dead away. the roll of a great power as churchill and roosevelt understood is to bring that day closer. >> howard, when you opposed american involvement in iraq in 2003 and 2004, we were talking about a nation stay and taking out one man.
you offered a lot of warnings that, obviously, came true. it seems to me the president, this president's objectives are so much murkier because the situation is so much murkier. you're not talking about one tyrant and one state. you're talking about a cancer spreading across the middle east. what should president obama do? what should america do? >> i think, a, i think he is doing the right thing. b, i actually agree with krauthammer until he gets to knocking obama which is sri. i mean, the guy is a right wing columnist. so i guess that -- it's too bad because i think the rest of the idea of how bad these people are is exactly right. >> so you would agree they are the most evil people on earth and something has to be done to stop them, right? >> it's not entirely clear to me that they are actually human beings. >> yeah. >> this is about as bad as it gets. these are cultists who murder people for thrill and so they need to be eradicated. i think the president is doing
the right thing. we can't put troops on the ground. we know that. even if we were, we did, it would probably be an enormous tactical mistake. this is what high tech is for to knock the guys off with drones and whatever else we need to do and this is a big problem. i don't want to just gloat because i'm not gloating about something like this but this is exactly what i thought was going to happen 11 years ago when he came out against the war. if you look back at the stuff i was saying at the time i predicted iraq would split in three groups and al qaeda which is gone essentially but these guys are worse, would take over in one of those areas and set up a stronghold and exactly what happened and now we have our hands full. one thing the president said which i think is also true this is going to be, in fact, a long-term effort. these guys are not going away. i think we will win this effort but it's going to be very long term. we have to be committed to it. >> pretty grave concerns from the pentagon 37. the indication here that the
president's words are nonexistent or weak but what is the case we should be doing if this threat is as real as everyone says it is? >> no. that is just right wing rhetoric and let's criticize the president for the sake of criticizing. he said what joe did, this is cancer on the world which is true. he is intervening with ways we can be successfully intervening putting isis back on their heels and supporting the kurds on the ground and knocking off a variety of their assets, including the famous white pickup trucks that are kind of in your face to the west and that is what he is doing. it's very clear to me what his plan is and aapprove of that and i think he continues to have to be aggressive from the air. >> sam stein? >> i mean, i agree with the general sentiment there. i think there is a fair criticism that the administration sort of -- overlooked the significance of this problem up until very
recently. but the problem here is the complexity of the iraq/syria border and, of course, our bizarre relationship with bashar al assad that thomas talked about earlier. >> i don't know whether we cozy up to him but it sounds like we are going to ignore the board. >> this is laid out in "the new york times" piece. if they start a campaign against isis in iraq they scurry across the syrian border and then we have questions not only the tactical operations that we can pursue but the legal officials we can pursue. can we target them in a country we don't have war authorization. >> i think the complexities from the sound of the press briefing yesterday, a lot of those complexities are wiped away and thrown out the window and on the ground when you have a general saying, listen, if you want to get rid of devices you have to go into syria and assad is saying, great, the united states can provide me air pawer to take
out one of my enemies? thank you. why don't you kill them all and then go to the u.s. and talk about it later but please come and do it. >> howard dean, stay with us. an internal investigation into mary landrieu's flight records. one country has officially grown tired of miley cyrus, we can now confirm. >> really? >> i wonder who that could be. is that hollyweird? >> i doubt it.
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going to lose another race and lose it badly. he trailed shaheen by two points. shaheen is headed in the wrong direction against favorables and unfavorables. it determines the president's reputation is what is dragging down her numbers. mike, 37% approval rating in the state of new hampshire and that is obviously having an impact. >> it sure has. as scott brown also has been making a big point about how few town halls jeanne shaheen is doing. scott brown is gifted in the retail campaigning and doing a lot around the state. today, senator john mccain is sending out a fund-raising e-mail trying to capitalize on this poll and talking about the ten-point swing that you just highlighted there. >> mike, it's getting so -- i won't say so bad. it's getting so close up there. again, shocking. i mean, it really is based on what we were seeing a month ago
that san francisco billionaire tom steyer is rushing in with a six-figure bye. >> joe, last night, i was asking top republicans how big a deal is this? this is a huge psychological turning point for republicans. not just in new hampshire, but elsewhere who are wondering can we really take the senate? i'm told that this poll is going to help bring other big donors off the sidelines because they are saying, wow, a senate majority leader mitch mcconnell might be a real thing if scott brown wins, they are very far on the way to that. >> howard, obviously, really bad news for the democrats of this race does become competitive but most of us didn't think that scott brown had a shot a month ago. is the president's approval rating even in new england really a drag on these candidates? >> i don't know. i actually would suspect that poll might be wrong and the reason is that we just -- i just seen a poll here where the
president's approval was at 59%. now, this is have the and that is new hampshire but they are a lot more alike than people think. i'd be very surprised if scott brown got were in near jeanne shaheen on election day. he's an out of state guy and didn't play well with the republicans. if there is a third-party candidate, i don't know if there is you might see the third-party collect a lot of votes but they are not going to scott brown. i think this poll is an outlier. >> we shall see. >> mike allen, thanks so much and have a great weekend. >> you too. thank you, all. the rick perry mug shot tour continues as the texas governor takes a hawkish turn in a big speech yesterday and it will be interesting to see what you think of what he said, joe. plus, we will tell you who owns the copyright to selfies taken by a monkey. what is going on today? we will be right back with much more "morning joe." ♪ started out all alone ♪ ♪
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i don't know that it's a big story, but republicans certainly are watching. >> they are making it a big story. republicans are criticizing senator mary landrieu for allegely charging flights to her senate account that should have been paid for with campaign money. during an event, landrieu was met by people holding signs that read air mary. >> i love this. >> a pilot's uniform and flight attendants and a guy signaling her as if she was touching down for a landing! oh! >> buckle up. >> that's really funny. >> this is great. >> okay. >> that is kind of funny. sam, you know, the future of american government over the next two years is going to come down to races like that. i'm dead serious. >> comes down to how well he does the -- >> if republicans take over the senate. >> that was a little personal. >> the most vulnerable stuff and they are all democrats, i mean, republicans have a pretty good shot. >> yeah. absolutely. >> and then what is barack obama do for the final two years of
his presidency? >> he does what he has been doing the last two years. >> no. >> nothing. >> stop it! >> come on! >> nothing ever gets done. >> be optimistic. >> i mean, listen. it looks increasingly liking that republicans do have a chance to win the senate here. think the landrieu race is indicative of the tough race that democrats race. i wouldn't take the last poll and make a huge mound of it but if you look at it a problem for democrats trending through republican favor. i've seen democrats want the election to happen now because they are more confident now than a couple of months from now. coming up at the top of the hour, the growing threat of isis and a serious warning from top u.s. officials. why defense secretary -- the defense secretary says the militant group is, quote, beyond anything we have seen. the very latest from bob mcdonnell's corruption trial. the letter that he read on the second day on the stand that has everyone talking this morning. >> like a soap opera.
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the next hour of "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ >> this is an organization that has an "pop poapocalyptic end o. can they be defeated without addressing that part of were their organization which resides in syria? the answer is no. that will have to be addressed on both sides of what is essentially at this point a nonexistent border. welcome back to "morning joe." sam stein is kistill bus and thomas roberts and howard dean and joining us is kim atas. >> pretty good? >> in washington, we have got nbc news senior white house correspondent chris jansing. it's great to have all of you here. kim, i'll begin with you.
obviously, yesterday this rollout continues. we have been talking about it really in real-time last week. it's a humanitarian crisis. the next day, we get breaking news we are arming the kurds. the next day, something else happens. then we go and we have them take back the dam. now we are actually talking about air strikes in syria. a lot of people out there are going to say nobody said that yesterday. when you have a general in the pentagon saying, well, if you really want to beat this group that we are calling the worse group ever you got to go into syria. it certainly looks like this is expanding quickly and that the pentagon, chuck hagel sound scared out of their mind about this organization. >> yeah. it's been interesting to see the development and the assessment of is circumstances in washington. only in january, the president was saying that they were not the kobe bryant of jihadis. >> the jv team. >> today senior officials from the administration saying this is apocalyptic.
>> can i ask you what makes this group different from all of these other terrorist group that seem to come up with a big plan. >> when you have 9/11 as a perspective. >> yeah. come up with a big plan they hide in caves. these people are out in the open. and tactically you talk to military people, seem to be pretty damn good at what they do. >> they are pretty good. i think it's a combination of two things. one, you've got the problem of european jihadis that are joining this movement. they are very often reject of society. they are -- they feel like losers and they want to hang out. they are the kind of people taking a machine gun and killing kids in a school if they weren't going to this region to do other things like beheading foreigners. and then you've got sunni grievances within the region. you know, both in iraq and in syria. and those grievances tie up with jihadism and that makes people quite fearless about what they
want. >> is there any evidence of any cracks between the sunnis in the region? obviously, i always go back to 2006 zarqawi bombing and say they are fighting back. >> yesterday, the white house put out a statement listing all of the muslim groups and clarkics and high ranking officials in the region in the u.s. who were denouncing these actions. we still need to see more from within the region, because general dempsey was right, you know, air strikes aren't the only solution to this. they might be part of it, but you need to have more than just counterterrorism strategies to deal with this. and it goes back to the point that some people are making -- you know, some people are saying what happens we should alie ourselves with president assad to fight this because we are perhaps on the same side.
you have to remember the sunni grievances in the region are part of this problem and you're not going to address sunni grievances if you team up with the allawis. >> on the pentagon briefing yesterday, here is defense secretary chuck hagel who calls the islamic state an eminent threat to say the least irks . i >> isil is well funded group that we have seen. they are beyond just a terrorist group. this is beyond anything that we have seen so we must prepare for everything and the only way you do that is you take a cold steely hard look at it and get ready. >> sam? >> yeah. just to jump on that last point. david ignatius has a really interesting column this morning that i would recommend to anyone, where he talks about sunni grievances being something osama bin laden himself recognized toward the end of his time that that was a problem
that he had faced and probably prip precipitationed to the downdafa of al qaeda. in the end he recognized he misstepped there. i do think that is a problem and ignatius says this is a problem isis will face down the road. the question is how do we harness more of the moderate sunnis to come in and fight us with the fight on isis? the obama administration made clear they need political reconciliation in iraq if they want to make progress in iraq. governor dean, what can we do not military in iraq to help precipitation turning of the tides against isis? >> i think that is unfortunately, in terms of reunifying iraq that is probably not possible. >> really? >> the new prime minister is also allied with iran, not as knowsably and closely and less authoritarian tendencies that
maliki had. iran is next door name and a shiite and the sunni will resent that. i think the solution often is we have to support the peshmerga on the ground with arms and training but not ground troops. they have to fight their own battle. we can help them fight their own battle but they have to fight on the ground and be willing to do that. until the sunni who are being oppressed by isis in their own territory are willing to do that, this isn't going to succeed. as far as syria goes, there's -- we don't have to alie ourselves with them to be successful. it has nothing to do with whether assad should or should not be in power. we prefer he not be in power. i think the president wisely decided not to intervene there because of groups like isis. we have a battle against terrorism. assad is a different kettle of fish and that is not our concern right now.
>> hhmm. >> chris, let me ask you based on what governor dean is saying we know the white house and president obama doesn't think bashar al assad should be in power. we have been covering a long time about the concerns of this white house and bash ash al assad using chemical weapons against his own people. are there back channels open to april sad or his people of how they think that isis can be best extinguished? >> one of the things the white house will tell you and the president is clear about his first line of defense is always going to be diplomacy. but let's not be mistaken. diplomacy at this point has gotten us to where -- i was on that night in the white house august 9th when the decision was made to start the air strikes and the air drops in iraq. this is a region where this
white house seems to find itself often caught where they are trying to play a little bit of catch-up and they are the first ones who will tell you the president acknowledged this, senior white house advisers acknowledged on that night that it was really only events that happened the day before that precipitated the president's decision. he's got himself in a position now, as you've been talking about, for sometime that these hard decisions are going to have to be made. you listen to general dempsey yesterday. again, nobody was suggesting the fact that air strikes were going to happen in syria. he is certainly someone, the general, who has talked about how fraught that decision is, what the risks are. civilian casualties not to mention the political considerations there. but the conversations are going on right now are i think to howard dean's point. the white house official stance is we have to have a coalition
government in iraq and that's where it has to start. how realistic is that and if thags not playing out, what is the next step? >> kim, can you stay with us? howard dean, thank you very much. chris jansing, thank you as well. we are going to see chris guest hosting ""meet the press" this sunday. >> big time! >> go chris. still ahead on "morning joe," are you kind of a big deal? >> kind of a big deal? >> you know what? >> mika got me that t-shirt after she saw "anchorman." >> when did you see "anchorman"? >> about a year ago. >> oh, come on. >> got joe a t-shirt says i think i'm a big deal. >> do you wear it? >> i don't have to wear it. you know i'm kind of a big deal, which feeds into our tease. later this hour we are brecking down the narcissist problem and how you deal with
narcissists in your life. we will see how doctors pulled off the ebola feat. some call it a miracle. first, we have the honor of speaking to journalist james foley about his work overseas. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. if energy could come from anything?. or if power could go anywhere? or if light could seek out the dark? what would happen if that happens? anything.
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i lost not only a good colleague, but also a close friend. james foley was probably my best cell mate during captivity together. james was just great. he was always supporting everyone. always -- always there to help and to share. >> that was a french journalist who was held captive with journalist james foley. joining us now from rochester, new hampshire, john and diane foley, james' parents. >> we can't begin to tell you
how sorry we are for your loss and, as parents, we have all said we don't know how you go on after this, how any of us would go on after this. yet, you're out to talk about your remarkable son and would love to hear more about him because we hear he had such a big heart and was such a strong, brave man. tell us about your son. >> well, jimmy was all of that. and, as parents, we weren't aware of that as our children grow, they become their own people, but jimmy -- jimmy was challenged when he first met poverty and disadvantage at marquette university. since that moment, his soul and heart grew and grew and group to encompass all of those people who needed help, needed their stories told. he began to love all, and that was his biggest gift to the
people he met, his love and his help. >> diane, he got out of school and he did teach for america because he wanted to help children. he went overseas and then when he came back, he had to go back again because of what he had seen and somebody that knew him said, after going there and seeing what was going on, he couldn't just sit at home, he had to go back and report this story. tell us about that bravery. >> we just -- we found it difficult to understand, truly, as parents. he was home in october of 2012 for his birthday, and he just looked so good. i just said, jim, can't you stay home through christmas? and he says, oh, ma, i have to go back, but i will be home for christmas. and he just had -- made promises
and he just was so committed to the people who was suffering. he was trying to -- >> humanize. >> humanize. he wanted the people to know how people were suffering, particularly the children touched him so much. he raised money because people were bringing people to the hospital in wheelbarrows and carrying them. >> and taxis. >> the more he saw the suffering, the more his heart seemed to grow. and he just had a growing commitment. >> did that drive start early on, even maybe as a boy? i wonder what it was like raising him and watching this grow within inside him. >> jim was just a very joyful, happy kid. >> he was not a --
>> he was the oldest of five. he was just a happy kid! and i think actually when he saw the suffering, first really realized in milwaukee, the inner city of milwaukee working with kids without parents or breakfast. >> he had a privileged upbringing and he wanted to share that. >> so he believed then, john, that as the old saying goes, as somebody told me, you know, to those much is given, much is expected, he really, i guess, in marquette, is sound like he woke up to that fact that he had a responsibilities and he just couldn't stop trying to help people, right? >> yeah. yeah. he ran with it. >> yeah. it was just natural. >> he grew stronger and more commit. >> more passionate. i just -- someone -- oh. >> no. go ahead. >> no. i was just going to say, one of his former students from teach
for america reached out with a beautiful tribute and they said that if only those young jihadists had had a mr. foley, that our jim -- jim had saved his life. and the life of so many others. >> so what are you most proud of your son? and i'm not even talking about at the very end. was there a story? was there a moment? was there a decision he made? like you said none of us are a saint but how remarkable is it when somebody puts their own safety and well-being in the back seat and says i'm going to help other people? >> i guess we were the proudest of jim when we were able to interview the released hostages and they told us of his courage and his commitment to helping all of those people in the box, making sure that as much as
possible they had enough food to eat. he negotiated with the guards, all the time being punished both physically and psychologically. we are proud that he was able to draw strength from prayer and sacrifices. >> we have talking about what a remarkable man pope francis is the past several weeks. i understand he picked up the phone and called you guys and spoke for maybe 20 minutes. we won't ask you what he said, unless you want to tell us that, but tell us what that meant to you and did it bring you comfort in this terrible time? >> huge comfort. huge comfort! because pope francis, like jesus, loves, like jim. he understood jim's heart. pope francis himself lost three family members was in deep grief
himself and, yet, he reached out. well, that was -- so that touched us very deeply. very deeply. we are so grateful for the prayer of so many people all over the world. >> are -- >> jim's strength. >> are you all going to be speaking in the future? personally, i don't think now is the time to ask you these questions. i know a lot of people want to and we don't just -- don't think now is the time. but are you guys going to be speaking out in the future about what david whoad was on our show yesterday. he said jim was let down by america and europe. they really need to get their act together on negotiating with these terrorists. is that something that you're going to want to do to bring this out to the light of day, or are you going to just remain silent about it? >> no, we are not going to remain silent but we have to understand it is a very difficult issue. david is a good friend of ours and of jimmy's and he raises the
appropriate points. we are also going to want to speak out about the things we want to do to make jim -- to make sure that jim's death is not in vain in terms of helping others. we are hoping to establish a foundation in jim's name so that we can -- we can meet some of the challenges and jim's causes. we feel very, very committed to that. but certainly we feel that the negotiation process was very uneven and we pray at this very moment that steven sotloff is spared. >> that our international community must realize we must bond together. good and love and all that free
in the world must be together, you know, to fight the evil and the hatred. it's just -- jim wanted to be there because he really embraced the suffering of the syrian people. we need to embrace one another suffering so that this can be the world where some love in there and some compassion and we want that to live on through jim's foundation and through us. >> jim's sacrifice. >> and jim's sacrifice. and we do pray. we beg the international community to help the remaining hostages. >> any time you need our help, you have a platform here. thank you so much, diane foley and john foley. thank you. >> let us now how we can help in the foundation and know that all of our thoughts and prayers are with you and with your efforts moving forward and also, obviously, with those americans
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the word. that is the word that comes to mind but they are holding together as best they can and for all of the reasons that drive them. and i think when they talked about, at first, not understanding what drove their son, i think as they talk about his life now, they fully understand his mission. >> kim, you were born in a war zone in beirut. you know about being a journalist and the type of circumstances that james foley was a journalist. i guess you know the risk going in? >> i know the rink and i know the feelings that drove james foley. i didn't know him but i was incredibly touched by the interview you just did with his parents mr. and mrs. foley. when mrs. foley was talking about the fact he felt the world had to know and why he kept going back to syria. i grew up in a war, as you mentioned and what made me want
to become a journalist because i wanted the world to know what was going on and i thought it was important and i was grateful for the journalists who were risking their lives covering my country and a lot of them did get killed. i didn't know james, unfortunately. but i have a lot of respect for his work and a lot of respect for his parents, and i know that people in syria are very grateful for what james was trying to do telling their story. >> it's clear that they are going to have a lot to say in the coming months and that they are going to be very careful about it, but they went through the process of dealing, not only with the pentagon and the white house, but also with the terrorists themselves and they have a lot to say. >> right. let's talk about the uneven application, uneven process of what europe does, what america does. you had david rhoad on our show yet and a piece in atlantic
saying that american and europe let jim down. what are your thoughts being a journalist that, obviously, carries that risk with you all the time? >> well, there are two things here. one is the need for organizations to really make sure they support their journalists on the ground and there are a lot of freelancers who are risking their lives. james did get a lot of support from global post. they were trying to raise ransom money. the other discrepancy is the way europes and u.s. address this and europeans do pay ransom. either nobody did or everybody does. >> since 2008, countries have paid al qaeda and its affiliates at least $125 million according to an investigation by "the washington post" adam taylor leading the pact. france has paid over $58,000
since 2008 to the terrorists. it is worth noting a separate group found france had more citizens held hostage across the globe than any other nation raising the question as to whether or not, you know, the country's history meeting ransoms -- >> i think the question answers itself. it goes back to what i was saying about sudan in the late 1990s. you had evangelical groups going out and children would be held hostage. they would pay $30, $35 to free those children. six months later, those children would be taken again and they would be paying 60 and a hundred. i certainly understand it. i said yesterday i would have hated to be in president obama's position of deciding whether you pay a ransom and save an american's life or not. but, obviously, paying that ransom the way france does just encourages more -- >> that is what we were talking about earlier on in the show. how are they so powerful and so
well-funded? part of it -- >> not only that. there is an embassy report they thought it was absurd and not serious offer because it was so much more whereas usually demands are $5 million or $3 million euros. the question is how valid do you take that offer and do you see it as an honest negotiating effort or not. >> would it make a difference if the ransom had been made? perhaps or perhaps not. if you don't stop your air strikes we will kill him and no ransom after that. the choice has to be made again with steve sotloff. president obama has to weigh the national security of the united states and europe and put that in the balance with the life of one man. what do you do? i don't envy his position. >> i had no idea, until this story broke a couple of days ago, that i guess i read a
report in "the washington post" or "the new york times" that al qaeda primarily gets its funding now from this. $15 million. >> yep. that and isis has been swooping up funds and actually machinery and movement across iraq so they are getting a ton of money that way well. >> all right. up next, texas governor rick perry continues what appears to be a march toward running for president in 2016. now he is showing off his foreign policy chops? kasie hunt was at his speech yesterday. she joins us next. bob mcdonnell tells the court his marriage is on hold, but prosecutors look to keep the focus of his actions as governor of virginia on center stage. we will be right back with much more "morning joe." ♪ don't go away you can call me another day ♪ so i can reach ally bank 24/7, but there are no branches?
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6 past the hour. live look at capitol hill. joining from us capitol hill is associate editor of "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst, eugene robinson. also with us nbc news political reporter kasie hunt. good to have you both with us. >> if governor rick perry is taking his recent indictment battle. >> no, he's not. >> you wouldn't know it. not based on his trip to washington. >> i think the indictment looks look goo on him. >> he came in an a conquering hero for american conservativi m conservativism. he slammed the president's approach to the middle east and took up a muscular interventionist stance on how to stop the spread of isis. >> others take the view that no matter what comes next in iraq, it's no concern of ours. their attitude is we gave it our
best effort, but now we're done. in syria, as well as iraq, this terrorist army must be confronted with overwhelming force appear. as for the many iraqis trying to defend themselves and their country, they need to seek more help from us. air power is a major part of it. but it's also going to take more special operations, intelligence, and advisory support than we have offered so far. three ukrainian individuals were apprehended in a ranch in far west texas within the last 60 days. so i think there's the obvious grave concern that the cause of the condition of the border from the standpoint of it not being secure and us not knowing who is penetrating across, that
individuals from isis or other terrorist states could be, and i think is a very real possibility that they may have already used that. >> three ukrainians now on a ranch in texas, maybe the ukrainians grew up watching john wayne and liked "true grit" and said i want to be a ranchhand. >> i thought you were going to tell me to play this straight! >> no, i'm playing it straight. i mean, i don't know. >> who want to leave ukraine? >> exactly. versus texas. to work on a ranch for the summer? maybe they are college students. kasie, you were there. was rick perry a conquering hero or was he warmly received? tell us the reaction what you heard before and after the speech. >> this is totally rick perry's crowd. i think it showed how this indictment could play, especially with the base. i mean, people were really excited to see him. the indictment was the first thing out of the gate that he mentioned. he seemed almost defiant and
like he was enjoying himself before he took this deep dive into all of this foreign policy with isis. to me he sounded, in his speech, a lot more like george w. bush than like a senator rand paul or like some of the other people with we have been hearing from in the republican party who are worried about this interference. in his speech, ed we need to be more aggressive in all of these different ways and he stopped short of saying we should put combat boots on the ground. i asked him about that and he said, well, all options should be on the table. >> all options on the table, okay. >> all options on the table? >> i think that is almost what the pentagon is saying right now, but no doubt he certainly is not sounding like rand paul. hey, gene, let's move from texas governors to virginia disgraced governors. the bob mcdonnell trial, we have been talking about a good bit and, obviously, it's just getting ugly down there. mika does not buy the defense at
all. she thinks they are going to get off and go to steps and kiss each other and sing no double jeopardy. >> you write in "the washington post" how far would you go to stay out of jail? would you publicly hue mail i didn't think -- humiliate your wife and put the secrets of your marriage on display? mcdonnell's testimony this week in a federal courtroom in richmond about his wife's psychological turmoil has been both cringe worthy and compelling. it has been clear for some time that mcdonnell's strategy for winning acquittal amounted to what could be called the crazy wife defense. but only when he took the stand did it become apparent how thoroughly he intended to humiliate the soulmate he still claims to love. you know, something doesn't add up here, gene. >> okay, so, mika, you're into the, you know, it's a big
conspiracy theory and they are in this together and she's just kind of suffering through this temporarily, and they are going to kiss on the courthouse steps when they get acquitted and that is a possibility. it's not quite sounding like that right now. i mean, if that is what they are doing, they are certainly taking it to an extreme, because it is really -- it's painful and compelling to watch this testimony as he just trashes her left and right. >> here is the disconnect for me is if this marriage was so fractured, if this woman was so out of control, why is it that now he is mustering the might and righteousness to speak out against it? >> a lot of people don't just put their problems out on the front pages of the newspaper. there's no reason -- okay, i'm sorry. let's just say. gene, you've lived in washington
long enough. do we really want to talk about all of the scam marriages that are still in effect in washington, d.c. by people who care a hell of a lot more about their political careers than they do about their personal life, and they will literally lilve with people they hate and they won't talk to and describe as beasts? it happens all over washington, d.c. from people that are a lot more concerned about their image than they are about, you know, fixing up their personal lives. >> if you have a political -- that is a business arrangement or whatever, you can have that, right? or marriage for convenience or just inertia keeps a marriage together, whatever it is. they have been married for 38 years. it is not usual that one spouse will go on a stand in a trial that is being watched certainly around the nation. it's being live tweeted every
minute of testimony and just completely trash the spouse as a crazy woman who was spending like crazy, who had this emotional involvement with another man. >> yeah. >> who i don't think they had a physical relationship. my goodness, you know? >> i would just -- >> it's unseemly. >> maybe i'm missing something in the testimony, but if this is some sort of fractured scam situation, i would love to hear about the effort to rein her in on the part of bob mcdonnell instead of i didn't know anything. i didn't see anything. it just all happened and i just was sitting here as governor. it doesn't work. >> i think we saw a press -- or an e-mail yesterday. >> he didn't know about $50,000? he is wearing a rolex watch and sitting in a ferrari and she is carrying around these purses and going off with vitamin guy? are you kidding me? >> as i was starting to say, mika -- >> he is blaming their financial problems and saying she was spending too much. well, actually, it was he was the one who made these lousy
real estate investments that put them under water. >> hold on. joe, finish. >> the guy gets into this process and, obviously, we have heard everybody talk about what -- i'm sorry. what a holy terror she was and they were threatening to all quit at the same time. you don't hear anybody saying that about bob mcdonnell. you know, i don't know his wife. i know bob. bob has always been a soft-spoken guy. everybody that i know that works for bob says he's a good decent man. everybody that i've known that knows bob throughout the years -- please let me finish. i'm getting to a point. he is a good decent man. i've heard the opposite about his wife. do i feel comfortable talking about his wife? no. i have heard repeatedly as we hear about spouses or as we hear about some members who are just absolute terrors that this is
not a scam. this fits in with everything i have heard about these two people since they first came on the national scene in 2009. let me just say if bob mcdonnell is getting this and he is finding a lot of stuff out he may not know for the first time. like, for instance, his wife had an emotional connection with this man, this donor of his and it sounded like she wanted to have a lot more than just an emotional connection with this man, then i think a husband in the middle of a trial may decide to go this way. >> so that may all be true. there is an inherent risk to this defense which is that will the jury look at someone who is so willing to throw his wife under the bus? will they say this isn't a man of strong moral fiber or good standing and perhaps cloud their own opinion of bob mcdonnell as someone if he willing to do this to his wife -- >> if there is a he said/she said and heard the testimony on the other side that bob mcdonnell was a rude son of a bitch and driven by this and
that, then the jury could go back and say that. what the jury has heard all of these stories about her. >> and i don't know if this could be possible at this point. it might not be because she's not on the witness list. i wonder if they are regretting or trying to get her to testify. >> mika, you said you don't get that. >> yeah. >> maybe just because it's the truth. have you heard anybody in all of our years in washington and up here and in the middle of politics tell you about bob mcdonnell's bad temper or throwing things around or screaming or yelling? i have it. i can say hell of a lot about a lot of politicians that i've heard that about. you just haven't heard that about him. >> i agree. the question is still why did bob mcdonnell spend his own $30,000 on this man's stock? the question still becomes why did he use his own resources? if it was all siphoned off with his wife and she was doing without any of his knowledge, i get that and that might be the case, but he was still spending
his own money. >> i'm only going to the question mika is saying why are they just going after her and bob mcdonnell? maybe that is the reality. you talk about the did 30,000 stock and i've heard about that. actually, that cuts against the prosecutor's case because you're supposed to be getting money, not giving money to somebody else. again, at the end of the day, thomas, what the prosecutor has to prove is he got these gifts and in exchange for these gifts, he said, okay, i'm going to help you out. >> the whole reason, why we are even talking about this is because at the core of it, it's political. this is not a celebrity divorce. this is because he is the governor of virginia. >> on hold. >> this is not about maureen. she's just the first lady of virginia. she was not elected by the people, the good people of virginia. >> right. >> this is about bob mcdonnell and was the governor on the take? >> real awkward. i think it's really awkward. >> it is really awkward. we can all agree on that. >> she has all of the power and he has none of it.
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breath-taking hiney. i mean that thing is good. i want to be friends with it. >> well, you certainly know how to compliment a woman. now, if you'll excuse me. >> do you know who i am? >> no. i can't say that i do. >> i don't know how to put this, but i'm kind of a big deal. >> really? >> people know me. >> i'm very happy for you. >> the greatest ever, ron burgandy, one of hollywood's favorite narcissists. here with us now from miami, "times" editor at large jeffrey kluger who's the author of "the narcissist next door." also with us, just happens to be here -- >> this better not be related. >> we're putting you on the
couch, doctor. we've got dr. eezekial emanuel. there are people who are confident and then there are narcissists. what are the tell-tale signs of narcissists? >> well, narcissists, there can be what's called a malignant narcissist which is exactly as bad as it sounds. now, some of the elements of narcissism are very good, a sense of confidence, a sense of assertiveness, a sense of high self-esteem. we call this the lower case end narcissist. you're on the spectrum, you could be moving up into the danger scale, but so far you've got it under control and you're using it to your own good. where you keep creeping up is when you lose empathy, when you lose impulse control, when you lose the sense of delayed gratification then you get into
capital end clinical narcissism. that's nasty bad stuff. >> and the nasty bad stuff is when you do lose empathy, the whole world revolves around you and you're incapable of empathizing with the pain others are in. >> i think all of us have been next to someone like that. >> can i say i have a brother or two. and you had two brothers who were narcissists, but go ahead. >> no, i would deny that. and i do think actually one of the issues is that it's helpful for success. i mean this gets on to the whole evolutionary thing. it's very helpful for success and then there's the tale end of the curve where people have just gone overboard and are actually malignant and destroy work site its, destroy lots of relationships. >> destroy the world they have created. >> exactly. some of it's good, too much of it's bad. >> that's right. when you speak about evolution, by the way, the deck is stacked
in favor of narcissism. one thing narcissists do is charm the pants off you, sometimes quite literally, which mean narcissists have a greater likelihood of breeding than people who aren't narcissists at all. >> i knew this would get back to darwin. thomas. >> well, there is a 77% inheritable trait rarate with narcissism. so once you get the genes out there, you've got a lot of narcissists. >> so we can all tell in our children early on whether our child lacks empathy or not, whether he or she shouldn't -- doesn't have as much empathy as they should. what do you do as a parent for a 5-year-old, 6-year-old,
7-year-old that's already exhibiting -- and i've seen children that have exhibited this and you can see it at 5, 6 or 7? how do you get empathy? how do you push that on them? >> and that's a very good question because kids come factory loaded as narcissists and they have to be. they have absolutely no other way of getting their needs met other than to demand their needs be met, to have absolutely no tolerance for impulse control. they're babies, they're just a squirmy mass of needs and hedoistic impulses. the question is when do they grow out of it? >> i think actually -- >> those damn kids. >> there's two points you're making, which are great. one is narcissism is a natural part of development and we all pass through a stage of narcissism. >> absolutely. >> and that's essential. the second is that there are environmental efforts. and i think that one of the answers to your question, make them care about other people. >> exactly. >> help serve the poor. go see how other people live.
>> jeffrey kluger, thank you. >> jeffrey, come back. how many kids do you have, jeffrey? >> i would love to be back. i'm a narcissist, what can i say? >> how many kids do you have? >> i have two daughters and we work very, very hard. one of them has now moved into adolescence, so that's phase two of narcissism, unfortunately. >> thank you so much, jeffrey. come back. you have every right to be a narcissist. we shall return. and asked for less. there's a reason it's called an "all you can eat" buffet... and not a "have just a little" buffet. because what we all really want is more. that's why verizon is giving you even more. now, for a limited time, get more data! 1 gb of bonus data every month with every new smartphone or upgrade. our best ever pricing with the more everything plan and 50% off all new smartphones. like the htc one m8 for windows or android. built to inspire envy. come get your more with verizon.
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today is a miraculous day. i am thrilled to be alive and to be reunited with my family. >> dr. kent brantly, high fiving his medical team today. >> discharged from hospital, free from the ebola virus. >> please, do not stop praying for the people of liberia and west africa and for a quick end to this ebola epidemic. >> is it tough to be up there? >> i'd rather be fishing. >> behind the portrait of bob mcdonnell was the emotional wreckage of a troubled, dissolving marriage. >> things got so bad with wife maureen they couldn't communicate enough to trade their position for privilege. >> the islamic terrorists who e beheaded the american journalist james foley had demanded $132 million. >> we begged the international community to help the remaining hostages. >> the president authorized a
rescue mission. >> the operation in northern syria was textbook, but the intelligence out of date. the western hostages had already been moved. >> they're beyond just a terrorist group. this is beyond anything that we've seen. >> the secretary of defense acknowledged today what armies in syria and iraq already knew. isis is a force to be reckoned with. >> then what risk does isis, perhaps, pose to the united states? >> because of open borders and immigration issues, it's an immediate threat. >> what other bad actors are coming here or for that matter have arrived already. from a certain angle the cartels, as vicious and as brutal as they are, might be the least of our worries. >> you've got to change -- >> this is embarrassing. >> vomiting blue. >> sam, you should have just done the show. >> can i just work in my t-shirt? >> no. >> it's friday, why not? >> hello, thomas.
>> good morning. >> you know, when you get to be our age, it will be harder for you to get yourself together in the morning, i'm just saying. >> it's hard. >> yes, it is. >> it's friday! >> there is a very blue theme going on here. >> check your apps, pay your bills, people. it's a good day to be an american. >> well, thomas has been in a great mood since 3:00 a.m. i like it a lot. >> i got paid today. >> sometimes it's a little much. >> i got paid. >> same here. >> mika is bringing it this morning. >> no kids. kids? >> do i have kids? no. i have a dog. i nice little beagle. >> interesting. >> kids/no kids. >> you're staring at me like you're appalled. >> i think that the price tag is still on your sweater, but that's okay. >> i am so tired. i'm going to just -- listen, if you guys don't get mika a
different color here, i'm going to take this off and wear my gray t-shirt. >> i have to change? >> while you all go to a clip, i'm going to the gray t-shirt. >> i think we should go the other way. i think i should get a blue shirt and go all in on this blue thing. >> what do we have? >> that press conference yesterday, you're like, oh, kind of scary. >> which one. >> the pentagon. >> oh, yes. we are going to start with that. we're also following the trial in virginia, governor bob mcdonnell, and it's really getting extremely personal. >> it's really personal. >> some of the questions about that. but first, u.s. officials are offering grim warnings about the terror group behind the beheading of an american journalist. defense secretary chuck hagel calls the islamic state an imminent threat, while the nation's top general says it may be impossible to stop the militants without them hitting iraq and syria. >> isil is a sophisticated and
well-funded as any group that we have seen. they're beyond just a terrorist group. this is beyond anything that we've seen. so we must prepare for everything. the only way you do that is you take a cold steely hard look at it and get ready. >> this is an organization that has an apocalyptic end of eyes vision and which will eventually have to be defeated. to your question, can they be defeated without addressing that part of their organization that resides in syria, the answer is no. that will have to be addressed on both sides of what is essentially at this point a nonexistent border. >> let's bring in nbc news chief pentagon important jim miklaszewski who was at the briefing yesterday. jim, as you're watching this and we've been talking about this for a week, you got a sense about a week and a half ago that the white house realized that isis was a threat they could no longer ignore.
we started talking about humanitarian assistance. the next day we heard we were arming the kurds. the next day we heard there were going to be bombing runs. a couple of days later we're going in and helping them take over a dam. now we're actually talking about, and i don't want anybody to take this the wrong way, i'm not being critical, i'm just saying it is remarkable that just a couple of weeks later we actually have generals going out, obviously at the white house's guidance, and talking about the possibility of actually bombing syria. talk about -- >> a necessity. >> talk about -- out of total necessity. talk about how quickly our focus is expanding. >> well, you know, joe, we talked about this last week when we talked about the u.s. backing iraqi and kurdish forces with air strikes. to take the mosul dam. that was the opening salvo in what was going to be, according to some officials we're talking
to, a long-running war with isis. at least there in iraq for the time being. nobody is under any illusion that isis can simply be contained there in iraq. and the fear, of course, as we've also talked about, is that the threat from isis there in iraq is going to spread not only throughout that region but could eventually find its way here to the united states in terms of terrorist attacks because they do have for the time being only a small number, a handful of americans within their ranks. they think that the success that isis had in iraq is only drawing in more recruits and their numbers are thought to be about 17,000 right now, joe. >> all right. >> we talk about that news conference being sobering. a lot of people who -- i just wonder what your thoughts were, mik, you go to these all the time. yeah. >> well, you know, the president has said -- he was alluding to
the fact that this is going to take some time, but i don't think the u.s. government was leveling with the american people. the folks we're talking to say this is going to be a long, hard slog, not to quote donald rumsfeld, but this is going to take some time and we had talked about that also earlier. you know, first you have to contain them in iraq. then you have to go after the leadership as general dempsey was talking about. and he didn't say it was necessarily going to be the u.s. he said that this has to be a broad international effort. and so far except for some humanitarian assistance, we haven't seen any other of our european allies in particular weigh in and they're just as threatened potentially as the u.s. is because many of those isis members are european. so that has some raised some level of disappointment here in the pentagon. but first they have to deny that safe haven in iraq and then just like al qaeda and just like the
attempts over the years to get osama bin laden, they're going to have to cut the head off that snake and go after the isis leadership. >> thomas. >> mik, explain to all of us why we aren't talking about bashar al assad in the equation when it comes to syria? i think most people just getting read in on this know the last time we were talking about syria, it's president obama against bashar al assad and you better not cross that red line. now that we're talking about syria, no one is talking about where bashar al assad stands on isis. is he a partner in all of this? is he a trusting partner in trying to eliminate isis from his own country? and are we really going to bomb syria and not have ba shaush sh assad on board? >> it's not clear, first of all, that the u.s. is going to launch air strikes inside syria, but it would not be inside syria. technically, geographically, it would be across the border but they would be going after what
is now considered to be the isis state, the isis nation of terrorism. and quite frankly, bashar al assad is sitting back there in damascus watching all this probably with some amusement because the u.s. finds itself in a battle with the same enemy which assad does, so it's a strange partnership. politics makes strange bedfellows. >> certainly. >> of war, sometimes even makes stranger bedfellows. in this particular case, this narrow instance, assad and the u.s. are on the same side in wanting to get rid of this threat from isis. >> nbc has learned new details about the effort to rescue james foley. last november foley's family received an encrypted e-mail in english demanding a $132 million ransom. after a brief e-mail exchange, the captors were not heard from again until last week when a
furious message from the group promised foley's death in retaliation for american air strikes. we're going to move on now to the corruption trial of former virginia governor bob mcdonnell, which is playing out like a script from a soap opera, and more court testimony is expected today. but it was yesterday in richmond where the former governor delved deep into what he calls a troubled marriage. he showed the court an e-mail dated in 2011 telling his wife, maureen, this. i want to be in love, not just watch movies about it. adding, i am so spiritually and mentally exhausted from being yelled at, i don't think you realize how you are affecting me and sometimes others with your tongue. and when asked on the stand whether he thought his wife was having an affair with the donor at the center of it all, jonnie williams, he said no. but when asked if they had a strong emotional relationship, he said yes. all of this is being used to show that their marriage was so fractured that they couldn't have conspired to solicit
thousands of dollars in exchange for favors. >> sam. >> senior marriage correspondent. >> this is ugly, man. it keeps getting uglier. >> it doesn't make sense. >> and mika is very skeptical. she thinks this is all part of a ruse. >> who are you skeptical of? >> she's skeptical that their marriage is that broken. she thinks that they're going to be found not guilty and go out on the courthouse steps and kiss and say, hey, we got them, no double jeopardy. >> that's not what i think, but okay. >> she thinks it's all a big scam. >> it would be a good movie. >> i don't think it's a big scam. i think you look at what everybody said about his wife, and it looks pretty ugly. >> well, marital disputes have two sides, obviously. i'd be curious what e-mail she sent him if she ever released those e-mails, and i would love to see them. but there's something really inherently sad about it. if you real the whole e-mail --
>> i'm sorry i hurt you. >> the whole thing is sad and unfortunate and bizarre that it's gone to this point that this is now the crux of his defense, i was so estranged from my wife, there is no way we could have conspired to be corrupt. i don't know what the legal basis of this will be and how it can get him off on this, but it goes to show you that so many bizarre things happen behind the scenes with politicians' lives that it's not this glamorous thing. >> oh, when you're in such a spotlight like that and you bring your family alone, it really changes the dynamic and things come out in people. >> in an alternative universe, this man could have been mitt romney's vice president and we could have been seeing this play out at the old executive office building. >> so why are you skeptical? >> i'm going to bring in a reporter who's covering this. what i question, and i'm not -- i don't think there's -- i don't know what's going on, but i just think there's such an avid
fervent effort to show how fractured they were. i don't believe it. >> also let me just say this. you can have a very acrimonious marriage, i guess, and still sort of talk about the nice rolex watches that you're receiving. >> no, there's no way he did not know about all these things. that kind of goes against everything that he's proved about himself as a successful person. >> we don't know that. >> i think so. >> listen, his wife wanted -- seemed to want to have an affair with this jonnie williams guy. >> yeah. >> she probably wasn't sharing everything with him. i'm just guessing. >> listen, there's two sides to this story. i'm curious what her e-mails say. >> let me just -- i have a question for the reporter in richmond. >> why don't we hear her side, though? >> exactly. now that -- >> why is she not defending herself? >> well, you just answered my question. i mean that -- you say what i'm saying? you are making fun of the ruse that i think might be going on here. >> i'm not making fun of you.
i would never do that. that makes me sad. >> let's bring in "the wall street journal," valerie borline. valerie, i guess, first of all, am i the only one looking at this thinking something doesn't make sense here? >> mika, i think you've got the same question on the mind of every person in this courtroom, which has been packed. because for four weeks the question has been is this just so much kabuki theater we're seeing about these two people not communicating or is the marriage just that fractured? i think there was a sense, especially after mr. mcdonnell gave a chronology of the troubles in their marriage, there was a people from people in the elevator, in the cafeteria, attorneys and others that have been watching, and friends, this really is a marriage that is as mr. mcdonnell describes it, in deep, deep trouble. >> okay. and yet will we hear, i guess, concerns from the other side? is this going to become some sort of divorce trial? are we going to hear her side in
this? i guess that's number one. and number two, the other question that i have would be how could he not know about some of these massive sort of exchanges that took place? is that even possible? >> well, i think to your first question, mrs. mcdonnell is not expected to take the stand. her attorneys have said that. she's not on the witness list. so we don't expect to hear it from her mouth. and the e-mails, one of the issues mr. mcdonnell identified yesterday is he said his wife didn't often write him back, particularly in that wrenching e-mail from labor day of 2011 that you guys referenced. he tapped that out on his blackberry in the middle of a three-day weekend, they weren't speaking. he said she never responded so i don't think there's the expectation. it wasn't said in opening arguments that we would hear from her extensively on that point and it really bolsters her position in a lot of ways that she had a crush on mr. williams if we don't see that content. but i did want to say, one of the things that came up yesterday is that mr. mcdonnell
says he's living with his parish priest, father wayne ball here in richmond. mr. ball is well known in richmond. he keeps this blog. it's just a blog of devotions like many priests would keep. yesterday was the first day he really talked about the mcdonnell trial by name and he said something that i think gets at what you're talking about. what are we seeing. he said is there any married person reading this who would want to go to the public and tell the truth, the whole truth about their life? it's a riching experience, i think, for a lot of people to see. >> valerie, for you as a reporter, though, this has to be interesting to cover because, again, this is not about a celebrity divorce. this is about federal corruption charges that have been brought against a virginia governor and it seems as if the behind the scenes kabuki theater of a jonnie williams maybe trying to buy access to the governor through maureen mcdonnell is what's really playing out here, and that's the relationship
that's being vetted more than what the governor actually knew about where this flow of cash was coming from. >> and the -- mrs. mcdonnell's attorneys say if he was trying to buy her influence, she didn't have influence to sell because she wasn't a public figure, she was not elected to anything, so it's very important to prosecutors to tie mr. mcdonnell's complicity in this arrangement. and i think that we're expecting mr. mcdonnell to take the stand again this morning. he's still on direct examination by his attorney, so we'll hear more questioning from a friendly inquisitor but prosecutors on cross examination, they don't care about the state of the marriage. well, when you hosted a luncheon and appeared at this lunch on, mr. mcdonnell, that honored mr. williams, you know, why did you do that? why did you give people samples of his product? why did you, you know, why did you ask various members of your administration to work with him?
they're just going to say we don't care. we don't care about the state of your marriage, we care about the acts you took as governor. >> exactly. so given the fact that that's the question ultimately, i'll try this from a different angle. maureen mcdonnell is being raked over the coals. her reputation is being completely destroyed, and yet she's not ever going to take the stand? she's not ever going to speak for herself? is her team and is she okay with this? >> she's facing legal troubles in her own right and they might -- they obviously have calculated that putting her on the stand is too much of a risk to take at this point. the question that mcdonnell has to answer is why did he take these specific actions, buying $30,000 a share in jonnie williams company. if so you're estranged from your wife and everything is going through your wife, then why do you personally buy those shares. that's the question he's got to answer. still ahead on "morning joe" reality tv finds its religion. we'll talk to one of the mega pastors featured on the new series "preachers of l.a." about
some of today's most pressing faith issues. plus, we'll explain why this giant rubber duck is making a splash on the west coast. >> i'm sorry. and up next, two americans have been cured of ebola. in a related story, two americans have been cured of the ebola virus. how could that radically impact the rest of those infected patients in west africa and help us in america if the virus comes here. dr. zeke emanuel is going to join the question and we'll ask him. we'll ask him about narcissists too. i really think he needs to talk to you about it. first let's go to bill karins, the great bill karins with a check on this weekend's forecast. bill, what's it going to look like? >> in some areas it's going to be so perfect, in other areas a struggle with the heat, humidity and thunderstorms. last night we got supersoaked near the chicago area. it was overnight at least so we're not driving in it this morning but it did leave its mark. we had about 4 inches of rain in
40 minutes at midway airport in chicago. so that's like that much rain in 40 minutes. that's why we dealt with the flooding. now you can see the thunderstorms continue south of chicago. driving across northern indiana there's a lot of water out there also in central portions of illinois. as we look at the tropics, we were watching this tropical wave. right now it doesn't look very impressive. very ragged, not organized at all. if it does get its act together and that's a big question, it may never do it, but it would likely be sunday into monday somewhere over the bahamas, the central bahamas or just off the east coast of florida. it could bring large waves to the east coast and squally weather next week. we have yet to determine how strong it could possibly get. we'll watch it for you but right now does not look like a huge threat as far as this weekend. as far as the forecast for the weekend goes, each and every day looks similar. cool in new england, very warm from texas all the way to the carolinas. by the time we get into saturday, we're watching the same weather pattern across the nation. the northeast will be gorgeous,
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today is a miraculous day. i am thrilled to be alive, to be well, and to be reunited with my
family. above all, i am forever thankful to god for sparing my life. and i'm glad for any attention my sickness has attracted to the plight of west africa in the midst of this epidemic. please, continue to pray for liberia and the people of west africa and encourage those in positions of leadership and influence to do everything possible to bring this ebola outbreak to an end. >> that was dr. kent brantly, one of two american doctors released from the hospital after being cured of ebola. let's bring back former white house adviser for health policy, dr. zeke emanuel and also on set with us, alan murray. thomas as well. so, zeke, first of all, is this a story of a miracle drug or just a miracle or incredible luck? >> probably none of those. you know, ebola is very serious. it has a 50% mortality but half
the people -- >> but to get up and walk out and hug people, is it okay to be a little surprised by what we're seeing? >> yes, because he was very sick and has walked out. but whether the drug worked or not, no one knows because you really need a trial. some people get the drug, some people don't get the drug, to know if it's effective. >> has this happened before? >> oh, yeah. half the people roughly or 40% of the people who get ebola get cured and are able to leave. >> is cure the right word here? the chances of a relapse are not -- >> no, this is cured. >> he's done. >> and again, part of the drugs -- the experimental treatments are based upon antibodies that people who had ebola react to the drug -- i mean react to the virus and protect people. so it's like a regular viral infection. but i think the real issue here is we still don't know whether the drug works. separate from the drug, in west africa, as dr. brantly said, there's still havoc there
because of ebola and the big issue there is it's not the drugs that they need, it's basic stuff. it's gloves, it's knowing how to treat people in isolation. it's the basic public health measure. >> and the tragedy that we've had to pull out, the western doctors who know all those things, many of them have had to pull out. >> right. and the local doctors got infected or health care workers, first of all, are very few, got infected because they didn't know what they were dealing with early on and the whole infrastructure is terrible. >> thomas. >> we talk about the basics here, just from the q & a, dr. bruce ribner, these were the reporters asking questions about brantly's release. they asked dr. bruce ribner who runs the infectious disease unit whether or not there was an immunity created for brantly and writebol. he said there really is no danger to a relapse. he would anticipate an immunity to this virus. i want to ask both of you guys just from a business perspective and put on your business cap, if
they can figure out this was a cure and then they can go ahead and work with big pharma to get this out and to western africa and distributed, obviously there is a humanitarian need and then there's a business need that's filled. >> you first, zeke. >> first of all, it's not going to happen in six months. the experimental agents they were working on were exactly based upon this theory of immunity that people got infected had antibodies that could neutralize the virus and protect you for life. between that observation and a drug or a by biologic that works or can be marketed, very long gap. remember, these experimental agents had never been tested in humans before, so that's a long path of discovery years and years, and it's not going to solve west africa. >> mika, zeke knows 100 times more stuff about this than i do. but the challenge is not finding some kind of a miracle drug. the challenge is getting basic health care practices in place
in west africa. this is not a huge threat to the rest of the world but it is a tragedy in west africa. what, 1500 people, close to 1500 people now have died. more than 2,000 have been infected. and what you need is just basic health care practices to keep it from spreading. >> and we should put it in context of lots of other illnesses that kill, diarrhea, pneumonia. >> the focus changes. >> which is 100 times more deadly than ebola. this does capture us because it's a very illuminating problem. >> dramatic. >> and dramatic. i guess that's the right word. >> dr. emanuel and alan murray, thank you so much. coming up, our interview with the parents of james foley. what they say about their journalist son who sacrificed his life to report on the struggle of the syrian people. "morning joe" will be right back.
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he died a hero. journalist james foley spent his life trying to help people less fortunate than himself. his career took him to one of the most dangerous regions of the world, and colleagues who spent time with james in captivity say he was courageous to the end. this morning, we spoke to his parents, john and diane foley, who talked about the legacy that their son is leaving behind. >> john and diane, we can't begin to tell you how sorry we are for your loss. as parents we all said we don't know how you go on after this,
how any of us would go on after this and yet you're out to talk about your remarkable son. we'd love to hear more about him because we hear he had such a big heart and was such a strong, brave man. tell us about your son. >> well, jimmy was all of that. as parents, we weren't aware of that. as our children grow, they become their own people. but jimmy -- jimmy was challenged when he first met poverty and disadvantaged at marquette university. since that moment his soul and heart grew and grew and grew to encompass all those people who needed help, needed their stories told. he began to love all and that was his biggest gift to the people he met, his love and his help. >> diane, he obviously got out of school and he did teach for
america because he wanted to help children. he went overseas and then when he came back, he had to go back again because of what he had seen and somebody that knew him said after going there and seeing what was going on, he couldn't just sit at home. he had to go back and report this story. tell us about that bravery. >> we just -- we found it difficult to understand, truly, as parents. he was home in october of 2012 for his birthday and he just looked so good. i just said, jim, can't you stay home through christmas. and he says, oh, ma, i just -- i have to go back. but i will be home for christmas. and he just had made promises and he just was so committed to the people whose suffering he
was trying to -- >> humanize. >> -- humanize. he wanted the world to know how people were suffering, particularly the children touched him so much. he raised money for an ambulance because people were bringing people to the hospital in wheel be wheelbarrows and carrying them. the more he saw the suffering, the more his heart seemed to grow. he just had a growing commitment. >> did that drive start early on, even maybe as a boy? i wonder what it was like raising him and watching this grow within side him. >> jim was a very joyful, happy kid. >> he was not a saint. >> no. he was the oldest of five, and he -- he was just a happy kid.
i think actually when he saw the suffering, at first really realized in milwaukee, the inner city of milwaukee, working with kids without parents or breakfast -- >> he had a privileged upbringing. he wanted to share that. >> so he believed then, john, as the old saying goes, as somebody told me, you know, to much -- to those much is given, much is expected. he really -- i guess at marquette it sounds like he woke up to that fact that he had a responsibility and he just couldn't stop trying to help people, right? >> yeah. he ran with it. >> it was just natural. >> he grew stronger and more committed. >> i just -- someone -- oh. >> no, go ahead. >> no, i was just going to say one of his former students from teach from america reached out with a beautiful tribute. they said that if only those
yongjie haudiung jihadists had foley, that jim had saved his life and the life of so many others. >> so what are you most proud of, of your son? and i'm not even talking about at the very end. was there a story, was there a moment, was there a decision he made? like you said, he wasn't a saint, none of us are a saint, but how remarkable is it when somebody puts their own safety and well-being in the back seat and says i'm going to help other people. >> i guess we were the proudest of jim when we were able to interview the released hostages. they told us of his courage and his commitment to helping all those people in the box, to making sure that as much as possible that they had enough food to eat. he negotiated with the guards. all the time being punished both
physically and psychologically. we're proud that he was able to draw strength from prayer and made sacrifices. >> we've been talking about what a remarkable man pope francis is over the past several weeks. i understand he picked up the phone, called you guys, spoke for maybe 20 minutes. we won't ask you what he said, unless you want to tell us that, but tell us what that meant to you and did it bring you comfort in this terrible time? >> huge comfort. huge comfort. because pope francis, like jesus, loves, like jim. he understood jim's heart. pope francis himself, having lost three family members was in deep grief himself, and yet he reached out. well, that was -- so that
touched us very deeply. very deeply. we're so grateful for the prayer of so many people all over the world. >> our interview with the parents of james foley showing amazing strength in the face of unspeakable loss. up next, inside the lives of one of l.a.'s most popular men of cloth, bishop noel jones. jones is next.
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respond to the way that you're feeling. >> to see a bishop coming out -- >> wow. >> and help us. >> pretty emotional stuff right there. that was a scene from oxygen's "preachers of l.a." here with us now for our faith of fridays is the co-star of the docu-series, the city of refuge church in los angeles, the bishop noel jones. sir, it's great to have you with us. >> it's my pleasure. >> and that was really an emotional scene there. obviously we're showing probably one of the more emotional in the docu-series. when you signed up to do this, what was your thought about trying to put faith on tv, on cable, and to draw in audiences to look at it from a different aspect? >> one of the things that i thought was significant, and i still do, is to lower the
iconiclastic proclivities people have toward leaders because i wanted to lessen the significance of putting people on pedestals that they can't live on. ultimately what happens is because you put the preacher on a pedestal, you put people who are your icons -- >> like yourself, like a bishop would be. >> they can't live on it because they're human like you are. part of what i think is significant in touching people's lives is to be able to say that i have the same struggle that you have. so i'm not in a glass house, i'm not separated from the issues that you deal with. so when i make a presentation, it's not you, you, you, you, you, it's like we. because i have to deal with the same kinds of things that you deal with. >> so accessible -- >> that's what i wanted to do. >> aspirational, making it so it's possible -- >> exactly. >> -- for people to find what they need and hope for, and the
comfort. >> definitely. one of the things i say about life is that it's important to understand this. if you wait until your life is totally straight, it's pristinely excellent, and you need that before you start helping people -- >> you'll be waiting a long time. >> a long time. >> because oftentimes you take robin williams, you take people like that, they are making you happy while they're hurting. >> is there a contradiction, though, because this docu-series takes a look at the power of influential religious leaders like yourself. also shows the more glamorous aspect of it. made influential by some of the money that you have. is there a contradiction between rich and influential bishops, pastors, those leading churches that are talking, you know, to their faithful that are much less than them that would be considered poorer than them?
is that a contradiction from your angle? >> one of the things you've got to understand and i think it's very important to understand this is that many pastors have different money streams. now, for instance, my sister grace and i imported gray cars, so all the cars i have i bought when the dollar was bullish against the mark. of course you had to lobby, so many people don't understand that you have multiple income streams. but i think another thing that's very important is that most of the guys who are significantly big, and girls, ladies and men, and gentlemen, who are significantly big, if they started this business when i started in your early youth and you're not coming from corporate america, you're not coming from ceo of some company, you started preaching when you were young and you had to deal with issues, i mean i have preached with
people and i had hamburger helper without the hamburger. so i've come -- in many instances it's a supply and demand situation with me. i go all over the world and somebody says, well, we want the bishop to come. well, they're going to make sure that they take care of you financially. >> so you don't make apologies for being wealthy? >> no, you don't make apologies because you have multiple income streams and you do many things. but i will say this and i think it's very important to say this, that most of the fellows who are significantly big today, who will say on tv i don't have to deal with anybody, i have money because i came -- because i do my books and my books pay for me, well, somebody paid for your tv and somebody made you so popular that now you don't need the people. so i would say it like this. they helped you in your early life or they helped you to get to where you are, so now you don't need them. but don't ever say that no one helped you to get to where you
are. so it's not a contradiction, but you have to understand how it works, the mechanics that go into it, because you bless people, they bless you. i'm one person, there's millions. >> the season premiere of "preachers of l.a." airs on oxygen next wednesday at 10:00 p.m./9:00 p.m. central. bishop noel jones, very nice to meet you. >> it's my pleasure. >> thank you very much. all right, up next, it's man versus monkey? in the fight for selfie ownership rights? >> changing rules about photography. >> all right, we'll be right back.
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couple years ago, joe said, hey, i got this kid from alabama, he's really talented. talks a lot, but he's really talented. clayton collins, he's leaving us. >> i know, it's a sad day. >> and you, young man, surpassed even joe's greatest expectations. you have been a dynamo on this show, a great asset. we're going to miss you. >> you're not going too far. you're staying in the nbc family. >> anything quick you want to say on joe? he's on a plane. >> i couldn't be more thankful for the opportunity. i love everyone here except for sam. >> right, perfect. perfect. excellent. if it's way too early, what time is it? it's time for "morning joe." but now it's time for "the daily rundown." craig melvin is filling in. it was a hot, muggy day but temperatures did not heat up on the streets of ferguson. tonight because of the calming influence of good people. >> no more
>> no probable cause exist to file any charge against officer wilson and return a no true bill on each of the five indictments. >> as soon as mr. mcculloch announced the victim the officer started to take rocks and batteries. i heard 150 shots fired. [ gunshot ] >> we are a nation built on the rule of law. we need to accept that this decision was the grand jury's to make. there are americans who agree with it and americans who are deeply disappointed even angry.
i join michael's parents in asking anyone who protests this decision to do so peacefully. [ gunshot ] >> our community has got to take some responsibility for what happened tonight. we talk about peaceful protests and that did not happen tonight. welcome to "morning joe." tuesday november 25th, a lot to cover today with us on set. mike barnacle. information communications director for president george w. bush nicole wallace. and associate professor at columbia university school of international and public affairs dorian warren and associate editor of "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. the headlines today very clear. no charges on the front page of "usa today." the "new york post" streets of rage. from the "daily news," americale
holds its breath. from the "new york times," grand jury chooses not to indict officer. and "wall street journal" officer not charged in killing. there's so much to talk about. unfortunately, i think the first thing that we would, i would at least want to know is why the hell, why the hell did they release this information the way they did. why did they have this build up, this slow crescendo, this slow crescendo to say we'll be announcing at 9:00. most people knew how this was going to come down. just given sort of what local authorities have been suggesting before and all the calls for calm. and then to announce i want at 9:00 at night. >> the time lapse was mystifying. >> mind-boggling a community and state that so mishandled this
case from the very beginning continued to mishandle it at the very end. and the results, gene robinson, very predictable. they were horrible results. "the washington post" talking about at least two police cars and half a dozen buildings were set aflame. people looted liquor and convenience stores. the missouri authorities, president obama and brown's family had requested, while the president was making his request on a split screen while the riots were going on. people are responsible for their own actions and it was horrific the actions that were engaged in but i can't believe that the officials in missouri couldn't have done a better job after botching this case and let's face it, botching the way ferguson's police department was run for so many years. >> yeah. this was totally foreseeable. and, you know, look i hate conspiracy theories. i spent a lot of time telling people how dumb their conspiracy theories are.
but if you wanted to, you know, if you knew you were going to announce it and you wanted to shift attention to the reaction away from the decision itself, well i guess this would be a way to do it. this would certainly be a, you know, an awful way to do it. but why in the world do you announce this thing at 9:00 at night? i just don't -- i'll never understand that. especially when the decision apparently was ready at 2:00 p.m. or something like that. >> 2:00 in the afternoon. you have been doing the police officers a favor, the black owned small businesses that were torched last night. you would have done the family a favor. >> people who went out to protest peacefully and you would be doing them a favor. >> if you were going to go out and protest peacefully you would do it at 3:00 in the afternoon. you would not do it given thirst of hats been going on since august at 9:00 at night. willie geist why don't we get
everybody caught up in case they are just waking up right now to exactly what happened last night not just in ferguson but across america. >> this continued deep into the night. let's get right to it. unrest broke out moments after the county prosecutor announced grand jury verdict did not indict officer darren wilson. that's the police officer who shot and killed michael brown, an unarmed teenager in august. this is one of the results of the protests, at least a dozen businesses in ferguson going up in flames including a drugstore and a pizza restaurant. protesters also set fire to numerous vehicles including at least two police cars. other police vehicles damaged after being vandalized. some demonstrators smashed windows. there was some gunfire as you heard earlier and looting was reported at several stores in the area. president obama addressed the country last night urging demonstrators to show restrain but as joe just said it was a remarkable split screen. his speech came just as the violence began to unfold
creating some pretty surreal images on tv. >> let's look at this. do you think somebody at the white house might have figured this out. i'll ask nicole, do you think somebody at the white house might have figured this out that maybe the speech should have been before the announcement so you don't have that split screen right now going last night? >> the speech couldn't before the announcement because he had to react to the announcement and there's nothing the white house can do how the cable networks will handle it. they all used the split screen. it was horrendously -- >> since people knew -- seemed to know what was coming down. seemed like everybody was tipping their hand at 2:00 in the afternoon. i'm curious if you wouldn't have a peremptory speech, nicole wallace. >> i thought he should have gone there. i think the most brilliant speech of his presidency was his speech on race. i think that the words he used last night were perfectly crafted. they were not written and handed to him by some speech writer. i think they came from his heart.
i think that the white house staring at a bunch of bad options. i'm impressed they went ahead. they didn't cut him short. they were watching that too. they were watching this. they knew what was happening. it was important enough for them. i actually think the fact that he stood in the briefing room, he gave his remarks, he took questions because i had a moment where i thought, you know, he's going to rush out of there. he didn't. i actually think as the days go on it will endure as a powerful message that he delivered and i hope he keeps it up. i hope he does visit ferguson in the coming days. >> it was one of his better moments and he spoke clearly for the last ten minutes. >> that was the best part of the speech. >> it gets back to your original question that you pose, though. why they wait seven, eight hours for a crowd to gather on the streets, give the crowd eight hours to gather and to get ready when they had so many options. they could have delayed this
announcement until tomorrow afternoon, the eve of thanksgiving at about 4:00 in the afternoon. they could have done anything. >> the thing is they tipped their hat i had no where over the weekend. i still thought over the weekend the police officer would be indicted. when they started -- when officials started coming out early urging calm, urging calm, urging calm, you knew how this movie would end. >> we all knew. what also infuriated people watching the press conference from mcculloch. the 25 minutes of explanation as to why no indictment. he looked like a defense attorney in that moment and not a prosecutor. if there's that much to explain then why not take it to trial, right? so i think it was the long press conference that really infuriated people of the explanation, the detail, you know, talking about contradictory witness testimony all of that stuff infuriated people even more so. >> gene robinson you brought up a good point in "way too early." you look at the evidence and the
evidence looks like there's not a jury, there's not a jury in missouri that probably would convict this police officer if you look at all the evidence. that said, you usually take care of that in trials where you are in grand juries you are actually -- you're the prosecutor. you are doing michael brown's bidding. not doing justice's bidding as far as with a blindfold. you're not the defense attorney and the prosecutor. you're looking if there's probable cause to possibly convict this police officer, that didn't happen from the very beginning. for whatever reason. >> you're there to represent the victim and society. you're the prosecutor. you're not there to represent the defendant. and the standard is, as you said, is probable cause. it's not reasonable doubt. >> low, low standard. >> very low standard. and do you not have probable cause when you have, you know,
an unarmed young man who is shot multiple times by a police officer, you saw the photos of officer wilson and despite those early reports about a broken eye subjective. he had a contusion. i read the medical report to go home and take aleve. that was the extent of his treatment that night. so, all that -- >> leads to probable cause. >> to believe a crime was committed. >> again, what i said at first looking at all this evidence, you're not going -- i just don't think you're going to find evidence to convict this officer. but that's not the stage we're at. we're at a much different stage and, willie, that obviously will cause some concerns i think with legal scholars moving forward. >> don't you know as an attorney
an indictment hearing you just give a loose sketch of the evidence that you have to get probable cause. it's unclear to me how it took months and months. clearly the prosecutor laid out every detail of the case. >> 25 hours of testimony. they heard 60 witnesses. but what i'm curious about now there are two federal investigations, one into the case, and one into whether or not there was a pattern of civil rights abuses by the ferguson police department. but i feel like the signal is coming out of the doj and the stories read obviously from sources are that they don't look likely to find him culpable either. >> they are not going to. >> why? >> because the standard is so much higher. at this level -- again, we're talking about the standard, mike, and hell, you know this. all the years you were a reporter. this standard is so low when you're looking at a grand jury
situation. >> this is the lowest bar. >> this was the lowest bar. you start going to the federal, where a doj is bringing a federal case the bar is so much higher. >> without this those cases -- >> last week -- >> look at it independently. the standard is so much higher. bluntly if you look at the evidence, the evidence does seem to support the officer. that said -- i'm talking about at the end of the day. that said though, mike that's not what these type of hearings are about. that's not hat grand juries are about. we think this is a bad guy. look at the evidence we have against this guy. look what he did to shareholders. i want to take him to trial. the grand jury goes okay that's basically it. >> last week i spoke to a prosecutor a friend of mine who has done hundreds of grand juries and we should point out that the grand jury is 12 jurors seated at a picnic table not a jury box. >> these are ferguson residents,
people of ferguson. >> you got 12 jurors selected. they have been sitting there for four, five months. this was a case referred to them. you got the prosecutor in the room and you got witnesses who come in and testify. the prosecutor does the questioning. the five counts that perhaps could have been leveled for an indictment against, against the police officer here, at a minimum, at a minimum the prosecutor that i spoke to said i would bet you a lot of money that they will end up with involuntary manslaughter. at least one. based on what they have. based on the evidence. >> a lot of people say why would do you that as i'm saying the evidence we look at shows a jury will not be able to convict him because any lawyer will tell you you never know what happens when you walk through that door. there have been a lot of cases that i've seen great lawyers handle that started, they said this looks like a losing case
and then you take a deposition, you get some evidence, you start pulling on a string and suddenly the entire new truth is revealed. maybe that wouldn't happen here. maybe it would. we're not going to find out. >> the range of options as mike said, first degree murder. required some premeditation. involuntary manslaughter some people thought would have come up. let's talk about this grand jury. seven men, fire women, three african-americans, nine whites on that grand jury. county prosecutor robert mcculloch said the vote will remain anonymous. he said reliable eyewitnesses testified that michael brown charged at officer wilson before he was shot. mcculloch says there were multiple witnesses who either changed their stories or gave conflicting accounts. he also said three autopsies contradicted witnesses who claimed they saw brown shot in the back. >> i'm ever mindful this decision will not be accepted by
some and may cause disappointment for others. but all decisions in the criminal justice system must be determined by the physical and scientific evidence and the credible testimony corroborated by that evidence. not in response to public outcry or for political expediency. >> mcculloch didn't mention in his statement that brown was unarmed when he was shot however he did single out the media saying they contributed to unrest after the shooting initially. these are photos of officer wilson after his altercation with brown. wilson testified brown first hit him when he approached the teen about a robbery. the officer said he warned brown he would shoot if brown did not get back at which time brown grabbed at wilson's gun and twisted it around. wilson says brown looked like a demon during their altercation. this is all from the testimony to the grand jury and that he drew his gun out of fear, another punch would knock him out. officer wilson added when he
grabbed the teenager who is 6'4" he said quote i felt like a 5-year-old holding on to hulk hogan. after the grand jury announcement wilson's attorneys released a statement which read in part law enforcement personnel must frankly make split second and difficult dess. officer wilson followed his training and followed the law. michael brown's mother cried and screamed when she learned officer wilson would not be indicted. in a statement the brown family said in part we're profoundly disappointed that the killer of our child will not face the consequences of his actions. join with us in our campaign to ensure that every police officer working the streets in this country wear as body camera. we respectfully ask that you please keep your protests peaceful. answering violence with violence is not the appropriate reaction. the brown family conducting itself with incredible grease and their request was not met in ferguson last night. >> what sounds to me like a
perfectly reasonable request. and position to take. body cameras would have told us a lot more about what happened. we wouldn't have to have this duelling, conflicting testimony. we would have a record of this encounter. and, you know, i guess some officers at least in ferguson are now wearing cameras. i wish that were much more widespread. >> no doubt about it. that's hopefully that is one thing that can come out of this tragedy. i don't really understand why, mike, there wouldn't be body cameras on cops. i want helps the cops. it helps the good cops. it helps citizens as i've said repeatedly only people that don't want that are bad cops. they do bad things. use their position of authority to push people around. at times to hurt them and at times to kill them.
and we need every cop in america to have a camera on them. >> commissioner bratton said that when he was here after the protest, nypd is the largest police department in the country that they are looking at it and it's a cost issue for a lot of police departments but you're absolutely right the only people who can oppose it are the ones who don't want everyone to see. >> every profession, gene, has bad actors. i think for the most part law enforcement officers do a great job and i commend them forgoing out and putting their lives on the line every night. i think it's in their best interest that the two, three, four, five percent of people in uniforms that act like punks from time to time have cameras. if they do that 5% will become 0% really quickly. >> it's in the interest of all good cops and not in the interest of the bad cops. so there ought to be cameras. one thing we ought to mention is that there were protests last night, peaceful protests in cities around the country.
including here in washington, in los angeles, in new york. there was a big protest. so, you know, this became a national issue and nationally there was, there was a big response, and for the most part in its vast majority and appropriate response to what frankly most people see as a miscarriage of justice and, you know, we'll have to go forward from here. it's a bad place to start from but we have to go forward from here and see what good can come out of this awful and i think unnecessary tragedy. >> all right. there you see pictures of a march in front of the white house. there were marches, of course, throughout new york city including right outside our newsroom on sixth avenue, in oakland, seattle, los angeles and chicago, across america. we'll have much more of this ahead on "morning joe". events coming out of ferguson, missouri also ahead.
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moines. >> "des moines register." the iowa man arrested outside of the white house last week with a rival, ammunition and a knife in his car has pleaded guilty to misdeamnor charges. he faces up to two years of prison when sentenced in january. he was ordered to be held without bond. >> democratic national committee announced three cities still in the running to host the party's 2016 convention. they are new york. >> good spot. >> philadelphia. >> really? one of the best conventions i've ever been. >> everybody groaned in 2000. it was a blast. incredible city. and columbus, i got relatives there. that's good too. three for three. pennsylvania and ohio could be critical swing states in the next presidential election. republicans think that pennsylvania would be a critical swing state but it never is. it's fool's gold as i've been saying for a couple of decades now. they will spend a lot of money in august, september and by
mid-october they will slouch out there and do the walk of shame. dnc may move its convention week up from august to mid-july. thank you for trying to ruin my july. i won't let you do it. >> he won't thereabout. "new york post," new york governor andrew cuomo said weather forecasters are to blame as criticism mounts. governor cuomo said they were unaware it would snow that hard in a short amount of time. the governor seemed to take a page from mayor bill de blasio's book who blamed the city on failing to shut the school. every meteorologist will tell you this was predicted. bill karins. >> ignore bill karins. >> al roker, anybody will tell you they saw this coming. >> yeah, bill. >> only said five feet.
>> he said we only said five feet not seven. >> we'll let nicole -- >> i get to do one. >> leaving miami. >> i need that. >> we want you to read this. >> i can do it? is it snaen "usa today" before monday night's game against the orlando magic lebron james delivered a blunt assessment of his play so far this season. i stink he said. i'm not doing my volleyball. i love him even more. the cavs were on a four game losing streak heading in to last night's week but james bounced back scoring 29 points and leading cleveland to their sixth win of the season. >> we all know they are going to end up like in the finals. >> yeah. >> there's 70 games left. >> turn on your tv memorial day and you'll get a good sense on whether the cavs -- >> we'll be talking about moving the republican convention up. >> the "new york daily news,"
meryl streep, stevie wonder and tom brokaw were among the recipients of the medal of honor. it's the highest civilian honor for those who give service to arts, science and politics. thle kennedy was also among the honores. the president professed his love for meryl streep. >> i love meryl streep. i love her. her husband knows i love her. michele knows i love her. there's nothing either can do about it. >> who doesn't love meryl streep. >> i love that. the presidents love these ceremonies. their own heroes and idols. >> tell us about george w. bush. >> mohamed ali. he talked about it for days and weeks. one of the high lights of his presidency. >> tom brokaw. incredible honor. >> fantastic.
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time now for the most read op ed. this from "the washington post," chuck hagel's departure, president obama is turning into george w. bush, something george w. bush nor barack obama would appreciate. president obama is morphing under -- into the president whose foreign policy he campaigned to overturn. as with bush the ouster comes as the war in the middle east is going badly. rumsfield outer led to the surge in iraq. hagel's departure marks an expanded role in iraq and syria. obama will lead a successor in ongoing war in the mid east quite possibly the sort of ground war that obama vowed to undo. you never really do, do you,
nicole, what's going to happen when you go into the white house is this >> i think what's clear from all the coverage of the hagel resignation or firing, what ever we're calling it this morning is that foreign policy is run out of the west wing of the white house. that hagel was never in the loop. that was not -- that's where the parallel ends. that have not the case, rumsfield was very powerful. and that he never really had the -- you would never guess. for better and for worse. believe me. but he was never very well liked. i remember being on a show when they were appointing him and he a disastrous confirmation party. i think gates was so good. gates was the sort of the anti-rumsfield. really a technocrat to have
command and control of the military and have the president's ear and make alliances within the cabinet. hagel was the polar opposite. >> mike, this got ugly pretty quickly with the white house leaking immediately that hagel wasn't up to the job and hagel's people leaking immediately that the white house was micromanaging too much. >> having nothing to do with clearly the fact that chuck hagel was never on message or in sync with the west wing of the white house. >> it's fascinating. neither he nor joint staff of chiefs are in sync. you have this public squabble which is bizarre. >> a public squabble to my smind horrific indictment of how truly sick washington, d.c. is and how truly filled with a lot of cowards this administration is with all of these unnamed sources, criticizing chuck hagel no matter what you think of his
job performance who served in vietnam, who served in the united states senate. >> who took this job that he really wasn't looking for. >> now they are sniping at him without names a senior administration source who didn't want to be named because of whatever, just outrageous. >> it is a dysfunctional, dysfunctional foreign policy team in the white house when you have, again, you have the chairman of the joint chiefs, the secretary of defense, others going out making statements that the president then shoots down in press conferences. and i remember talking to reporters saying no, no that press conference that wasn't aimed at the american people that was aimed at members of his own administration. bizarre. let's go to gene robinson. he writes this in the "the washington post." chuck hagel's replacement must be cautious. surprise to see president obama fire somebody. but i have to worry that defense secretary chuck hagel's forced
departure may signal further expansion of u.s. military involvement in iraq and syria. hagel's public statements may have been all over the map, but he has a demonstrated aversion to deploying u.s. combat troops without a clear mission. it's hard to see how the united states avoid becoming mired not in iraq's seccian struggles but in syria's apocalyptic civil war. gene, in most cases if you have somebody working for you who believe war is hell, hire somebody who has fought in a war. there's one or two exceptions. but in most cases, that's what chuck hagel brought to the job a skepticism you should shoot first and ask questions later. >> in his public statements he was all over the map on isis. at times he went beyond where president obama was willing to
go. other times you saw that sort of inate caution come through, that caution born of his service in vietnam and his realization that sending u.s. troops into combat is not something to be done lightly. and so my question just looking at the resignation and coming switch what does this mean for our policy in iraq and syria for this new intervention that seems to be proceeding full steam ahead towards what, i don't quite understand. i don't quite know how this, how this develops and how this possibly ends when you get in the middle of syria's civil war. you approach this with all due caution because you don't see a lot of light at the end of this tunnel that we're going into. >> it's pretty remarkable when you think two years ago when hagel came in the president was thinking of unwinding two wars.
now we're sending 3,000 troops back in iraq. "new york times" reports over the weekend more troops going to afghanistan. these wars are ramping up, may not be the right term but we're not leaving. >> it's definitely radical departure from the stance that the president came into office with in terms of disengaging from wars and from conflicts. this is the opposite, right? as you put it we're ramping up. in fact the firing of hagel will not change that. it's not going signal a huge shift in foreign policy. the administration is still confused at best in trying to figure out what its next policy agenda is in terms of the rest of the world. >> they are going to have to get a lot more engaged. they just are. whether the president wants to or not. that's not coming from what i personally want to do. they have to get a lot more engaged. they are halfway in a battle with an organization that's fully, fully in, all in. >> one of the big stories, largely uncovered because it's
tough to cover in a certain sense is the lack of communication between the pentagon and the white house. >> yeah. >> remarkable. >> if you want -- if you want to find people who are truly cautious, truly conservative about any approach to the middle east go the pentagon. go the pentagon. >> no doubt. you would love to see the president actually get somebody in there that's strong. i mean maybe it sounds a lot of warning bells but a guy like david petraeus who has actually done this before and took the fight to -- >> the training and counter insurgency strategy. he wrote it. >> anwar province and actually made a difference. gene, we'll let you quickly respond with something more than your al gore like sigh. i'm talking about somebody who is strong enough to come to the white house mr. president if you want to win this is how you win.
if you don't want to win then let's get them all out of here. this middle ground is going to do nothing but get some americans killed and further tarnish our reputation. >> i'm in favor of getting out of the middle ground. i won't argue against that. yeah. in fact if somebody has a bright idea -- if somebody has got an idea of how you turn the iraqi army into a fighting machine that can defeat isis and how you find these elusive moderate rebels in syria who are going to defeat islamic state but can't be found, you know, if somebody can do that then great. let's hear a plan that makes some sense and then go do it. but do you see this working the way it's going now? >> no. i think this is an absolute disaster but it's because the president is inching his way in. he's leading from behind. there needs somebody there to go in and say if this is feasible and i'm hearing more and more
foreign policy people telling me my idea is not crazy, arm the kurds to the teeth. do whatever it takes. figure out a strategy for the kurds to take over the northern part of iraq. that short area. you protect it. you nail it down. you got it. turkey is not helping us. syria is a nightmare. isis is running through the middle. so go ahead kurds take care of that and then have us go back to anbar province. he's done it once. have him do it again. if you do those two things alone, gene, you cut isis off at the neck. if you do those two things then they can still fight, let them fight assad in syria. they won't be able to move in iraq if you do those two things. but that takes a lot of courage. that takes staring down the turks, that takes staring down a
lot of other people. we have richard haas coming up. >> joe, just recall when david petraeus worked his magic the last time he had 100,000 or so u.s. troops backing him up. so it's quite a bit different there. >> you know what else he had too? he was able -- we can't have troops in. you know what else he? he could go to people in anwar province and say we're going to give you money. we're going to give you weapons bp more importantly you don't have to worry about crazy shia from baghdad coming out and killing you. >> they do have to bother that now. >> they do. you're exactly right. that's what they are going to have to figure out. if we have to partition iraq we'll have to partition. not us. but the iraqies international community. this is not work. coming up next we'll bring in richard haas to talk about this more and tell us all why i'm so wrong straight ahead.
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iraqi. yirky. ira when i nominated you for this position you said you would always give me your honest advice and informed counsel. you have. when it's mattered most behind closed doors in the oval office you've always given to it me straight and for that i'm grateful. >> with us now we have richard haas and nbc news chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski. good days between the pentagon and the white house. just how irrelevant -- just how irrelevant, i'm serious, how irrelevant to leaders at the pentagon feel lately under this administration? >> reporter: well, you know, it
was interesting that quite frankly, look, chuck hagel is a greet guy but from the very ginger never seemed to be the right fit but he's exactly what the white house wanted at the time. somebody who could oversee the final withdrawal of american troops from iraq and take care of the nuts and bolts budget, the nitty gritty domestic stuff that the pentagon often has to deal with. but nobody anticipated the chemical weapons standoff with syria, isis of course and even the white house is going to give the american troops left in iraq more leeway to actually continue the battle against the taliban. >> it's been the damnest thing. you got the chairman of the joint chiefs going on the hill constantly saying things a couple of steps ahead of where the president wants to be. i remember chuck hagel talking about isis being the greatest threat since 2001 and i was thinking i don't think the
president wants that being said. it seems everybody at the pentagon, a couple of steps ahead of the white house. is that because they feel the white house needs to get engaged in a more forceful way. >> i'm not sure they need to get engaged in a horse forceful way but more realistic way to confront the challenges that many here in the military have seen for some time and richard haas will tell you that the military is all about planning well in advance so they are thinking in advance too. and i know i'm taking a real risk here but i have to challenge mike barnacle on the idea that there's no communication between the pentagon and the white house. there is. but it's all one way. it's white house to the pentagon. and seriously when you get strong secretaries of defense like robert gates and leon panetta just over a week ago to both lambaste the micromanage
they impose on the pentagon something is amiss. >> i was wondering if you think hagel will join this chorus of panetta and gates and frankly from former president jimmy carter who have been harshly critical of this house. >> reporter: i would be surprised. you know one of the things about hey fwel that people talk about here is what a gentleman he is. as a matter of fact, after one news conference, that news conference here at the pentagon where hagel, in fact, said look this is like nothing we've ever seen before. it was in response to my aggressive questioning to him and somebody came to me later and said, you know, jim, the secretary thinks you were a little rude. >> wow. >> reporter: so he was sort of an en impenigma. >> richard haas what does this decision by the white house tell you about the posture they are
taking now. if chuck hagel wasn't the right guy for the moment what kind of guy is and what does that mean? where are we going. >> it tells nothing. they will get somebody who they are comfortable with. that's the most important criteria. they will get a known entity. they don't want to get somebody who will go out afterwards and write a difficult book. >> that's so troubling. when rumsfield left, found ga t gates. >> there's some talented people out there. there's ash carter and others. the real challenge at the pentagon goes beyond what we're talking about. you have the sequester in place. a growing gap of resources available and the challenges. not just the middle east. you have a mini war going on in europe, in russia and ukraine. you have to strengthen nato. a pivot to asia. we have to increase air and naval presence out there.
you got massive retirement, massive health care costs after two wars and it's not adding up. you got this growing crisis and sequester kicks in, new set of cuts next october. that's what the joint chiefs is about. that's what the next secretary of defense is to be all about. >> stay with us. we want to ask you about our three step plan to blow iraq completely apart. jim thank you for being with us. coming up next how social media even the national media may have played in the ferguson grand jury verdict. that's straight ahead. ronald reagan: i've spoken of the "shining city" all my
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>> as soon as more mcculloch announced the verdict the officers started to take rocks and batteries. i personally heard 150 shots fired. [ gunshot ] >> we are a nation built on the rule of law. we need to accept that this decision was the grand jury's to make. there are americans who agree with it. there are men's who are deeply disappointed and even angry. i join michael's parents in joining anyone who protests this decision does it peacefully. >> our community has to take responsibility for what happened tonight. we talked about peaceful protests and that didn't happen tonight. >> welcome back to "morning joe." eugene robinson is still here. with us to join the conversation co-host of msnbc "the cycle." let's go to the news and then talk about what exactly happened
inside that grand jury room and also what's been happening across the country overnight. >> let's talk about what's happening in ferguson right now. violence did erupt in parts of ferguson last night. the unrest breaking out moments after the county prosecutor announced a grand jury did not indict darren wilson. the white police officer who shot and killed michael brown, an unarmed black teen back in august. this is one of the results of the protests at least a dozen businesses going up in flames including a drugstore and a pizza place. protesters also set fire to numerous vehicles including at least two police cars. other police vehicles were damaged after being vandalized. some demonstrators smashed windows. there was gunfire and looting was reported at several stores in the area. president obama addressed the nation late last night urging demonstrators to show restraint. but as you can see there in that split screen his speech came as the violence began to unfold creating some pretty surreal
images across tv last night. police officers used smoke and tear gas to break up some of the protests. officials say at least 29 protesters were arrested while no lives were lost police say the unrest will have a long term impact on the city of ferguson. >> our community has got to take some responsibility for what happened tonight. for what happened tonight as far as tearing our community apart. this cannot happen. we talk about peaceful protests and that did not happen tonight. we definitely have done something here that is going to impact our community for a long time and impact our region. that is not how we create change. change is created through our voice and not through destruction of our community. >> yeah. gene robinson, obviously a lot of concern about what happened last night. "the washington post" talking about the looting of locally owned liquor stores, convenience stores, a lot of black businesses actually burned to
the ground. but at the same time we were talking an hour ago about officials and just the decisions that they made on when to release this information. really curious. you said you're not a conspiracy theorist but if you were -- >> if i was -- >> you can put together a pretty good conspiracy theory. >> right. you could say that the prosecutor knew there would be no indictment because he wanted this to be no indictment and wanted to shift attention from the fact that there would be no charges to the reaction to the decision. and, therefore, you announce it at 9:00 at night after a day long build up in which you essentially invite people to be anxious and to get worked up. and that's what happened. >> mike barnacle, you can almost say it was like a crescendo. i said over the weekend i still
thought the police officer without knowing any of the evidence, because i'm not in the grand jury room, but i just assumed that he would be charged. >> yeah. >> but starting, mike, on yesterday morning when police officers started urging calm, one after another after another after another and close to the decision you could just see -- it was almost like a crescendo building up and at 9:00 at night boom they drop it. and it seemed like the officials had messed this up so often even at the end. >> certainly mystifying they arrived, the grand jury has concluded their verdict. 1:00 in the afternoon we find out, 2:00 in the afternoon the grand jury has rendered a verdict and then basically six or seven hours inviting a crowd to have gathered, grow, assemble. six or seven years. mystifying why that decision was
made last night and announced at 9:00 at night. >> let's talk more about the grand jury's decision not to indict darren wilson. the grand jury was made up of seven men five women, three african-americans and nine whites. this is a grand jury picked back in may before this incident took place, a sitting grand jury. the county prosecutor robert mcculloch said the vote will remain anonymous. he said reliable eyewitnesses testified brown charged at wilson before he was shot. multiple witnesses changed their stories or gave conflicting accounts. mcculloch said three autopsies contradicted witnesses who claim they saw brown shot in the back. >> i'm ever mindful that this decision will not be accepted by some and may cause disappointment for others but all decisions in the criminal justice system must be determined by the physical and scientific evidence and the credible testimony corroborated by that evidence.
not in response to public outcry or for political expediency. >> mcculloch did not mention in his statement that michael brown was unarmed when he was shot. mcculloch did single out the media, those saying it contributed to the unrest after the shooting in august. now these are some of the photos released last night of officer wilson after his altercation with brown. wilson testified that brown hit him when he first approached the teen about a robbery. officer wilson says he warned brown he would shoot if he did not get back at which time brown grabbed at wilson's gun and twisted it around according to wilson's testimony. wilson said brown looked like a demon during their altercation and he drew his gun out of fear that another punch could knock him out. officer wilson added when he grabbed the 6'4" brown he said quote i felt like a 5-year-old holding on to hulk hogan. >> let's go to ari. based on what you know from the
evidence that's been released, did the grand jury come to the right decision? >> i don't know i'm in a position to answer that question at this time. we've definitely not had time review all the evidence that's been released, which is unusual. i'll tell you a couple of things, joe. number one it's not necessarily unusual to see the wide latitude under state law applied for police officers to make decisions about using deadly force. and so to some degree there's a question here about whether those laws strike the right balance and that's an important defwit be had. what's also unusual, though, as your guests and you have pointed out here is the timing of this decision. i will tell you both as a lawyer and now as a reporter who covers the law, i am hard pressed to think of any other grand jury announcement, indictment or no true bill or non-indictment that would be released in this way in the evening. let's take a step back. government business typically conducted during the day.
these kind of announcements typically made fairly close to the vote itself because that's considered proper. delaying too long is a heads up to family and local law enforcement, delaying too long is not seen as the normal proper course. delaying into that late at night as your guests said is highly unusual and we at msnbc in our coverage have talked to several former u.s. attorneys, several former prosecutors, we're talking here about people who like this prosecutor work hand in goff with the ply and prosecute a lot of cases. lot of folks tell us this is unusual in a suspicious way. i want to emphasize briefly that's a different point, those than whether these jurors ultimately reached the right decision. but that's a big question here looming today. >> let's go to the ground now. msnbc's craig melvin has been covering this case since august and he's now in ferguson for us. also with us from atlanta, dr.
alexander who served as the public safety director in dekalb county, georgia. craig, let's start with you. what's happening there in ferguson this morning. what does it took like on the ground? >> reporter: on the ground right now, willie, relatively calm compared to what we saw last night. 29 people arrested so far. at least 12 businesses were set on fire. parts of ferguson are still smoldering as i speak to you. in fact right behind me sam's meat market, is one of the many businesses in the stipulate that was looted then set on fire. dozens of businesses were looted. here's the thing. a lot of the businesses that were looted in ferguson, small businesses, mom and pop shops and that of course despite pleas from business owners in the days leading up to what we saw. at the worst of the violence last night the faa actually issued a travel ban or travel restrictions over the area,
flights could not fly over ferguson. also planes were not being allowed to fly into st. louis international airport. those planes were being diverted. i was in front of the ferguson police department last night. twla we saw tear gas, 20, 25 bottles hurled at officers who were in riot gear. we saw a number of police cars set on fire. cars toppled and set on fire, in fact. later this morning the parents of michael brown are expecting to hold a news conference at 11:00 a.m. where they will of course be responding to the decision from the grand jury yesterday but they are also expected to once again call for peace and calm in the city of ferguson. >> all right. craig melvin on the ground in ferguson for us. craig thanks so much. let's go to dr. alexander. i know you're not there watching this firsthand. what's your impression of the way things went down last night. the ferguson police department, the community took great pains to work with the community to
set up these protest sos that hopefully they could avoid what they saw last night. >> well last night was just absolutely unfortunate in the turn of events that appear to have started off as peaceful protests but as you saw in a very short period of time just really turned into a real chaotic and very unfortunate scene. you know, i think we're all sensitive to the fact that people in that community are angry, they are frustrated, there's a sense of disappointment, and there has been long standing separation between the police and local community. >> chief alexander, let me ask you as a professional law enforcement person what was your feeling about the huge time involved in between when we knew the grand jury had acted at 2:00 in the afternoon and the idea that the announcement was not made until 9:00 that night. as a law enforcement professional, how does that affect you? what did you think about that?
>> well, i mean as you've heard so many, even you all this morning and other commentators have stated there's something very unusual about the way that they delivered that decision. and when you look at it in its entire context the fact that that is a community where people don't trust the d. a.'soffice or they don't have much fate in the criminal justice. so when you have this announcement to be made the way that it was it continues to fuel that type of suspicion that something was awry. >> thank you. some other big news this morning, president obama will have to fine a new secretary of defense as chuck hagel announced his resignation. >> he announced the resignation
while being pushed off a cliff. >> the reporter from "new york times" said the president and hagel mutually agreed it was time to make a change. both men spoke to reporters yesterday. >> i've known him, admired him and trusted him for nearly a decade since i was a green behind the ears freshman senator and we were both on the senate foreign relations committee. there's one thing i know about chuck is that he does not make this or any decision lightly. >> it's been the greatest privilege of my life. greatest privilege of my life to lead and most important to serve, to serve with the men and women of the defense department and support their families. i am immensely proud of what we've accomplished during this time. >> while president obama and hagel are close on a personal level there are a number of reports that indicate a strained
relationship between the former nebraska senator and the white house. "new york times" quotes a senior administration official who said wut the next couple of years will demand a different type of focus. however a senior defense official was more blunt. nbc news saying hagel was forced to resign after the white house lost confidence in hagel. the official said hagel quote wasn't up to the job. other reports say hagel was fed up with micromanagement from the white house. hagel will remain in his current position until the president's new appointee can be confirmed. >> it happened sometime in early 2017. mike barnacle more with weasel back biting, sniping at a vietnam vet and a guy who was pursued by the white house. >> implying he's not up to the job. we get that. we get the lack of communication between chuck hagel and white house national security staff. put your name on it. if you're going say something about the guy, put your name on
it. >> he had a powerful defender in the vice president and his sort of pack of allies in the senate. john mccain, lindsey graham, john kerry. the fact he had those powerful friends and still did him no good in the white house is interesting. >> richard haas there's such a disconnect in the foreign policy apparatus between the white house and the pentagon as jim miklaszewski said there's communication between the white house and the preng, it's all one way. >> it's not just the white house and the pentagon. it's the white house and the state department and the white house. i think the national security process isn't working. >> why not? >> it's meant to coordinate. it's not meant to do the day-to-day carrying out of american foreign policy. this nsc is several times too big and too busy doing the jobs of other people around the u.s. government rather than doing its own job. it's interesting the most
successful nsc's in american history, they are about one tenth, one ninth the size of this job. they were not taking the places of the pentagon or defense department. >> there was a news story to that point. the president have the hagel dismissal left to go address the national security office, the members of the staff and the new story said he met with 400 people, 400 members of the national security. >> is that number accurate, do you think? >> if you include everybody, yes. probably between 300 and 400. includes homeland security types taking on other functions but it does represent a morphing of its role far from where it began. i think the next president ought to rethink this dramatically. >> we've already figured out
iraq how we'll handle isis. we'll let the kurds take care of the north. petraeus -- >> put lots of people. >> let's talk about iran quickly. deadline passed, obviously israel extremely concerned. what do we expect to see in the coming days and weeks. >> restarting of talks. like football analogies. second overtime. extra time here. >> sec football. okay. >> seven months now. the goal is by march to come up with a general framework. >> is that going to happen? >> it's quite possible, joe, that come next june we'll be in a place very similar to this one. we're still having fundamental disagreements how much can iran have in the way of capability, what kind of inspeckses, when do you have sanctions. >> let me ask you, we had people from the administration saying that we've really got the iranians to back off and we're in a safe holding pattern right now because the talks are going
on. do you buy that or not? >> there's some progress on putting a ceiling on what they are doing. highly enriched uranium is gone. >> how do we know that? >> there's a greater amount of inspections. the question is can this hold? i'm not so sure. you got the israelis extremely worried. you got congress thinking about introducing new sanctions. >> should israel be extremely worried. >> sure. but this is on a long list of thing. >> should congress put in place tougher sanctions. >> i don't think at the moment it would be wise. these things break down. we want it by iran's doing. >> why do the iranians want to cooperate with us and why do we want to cooperate with the iranians. >> the iranians are feeling economic heat. with oil at $75, $80 a barrel this is not what they need. >> how bad is it for their economy? >> they estimate -- >> saudis are doing that.
>> namely america. we increased production by 4 million barrels a day over the last couple of years has had a tremendous impact plus world demand giving the slowing of the world economy. it's way down. >> a lot of democrats and republicans are privately saying to anyone who will listen are afraid obama will giveaway the farm and do a bad deal because he needs a foreign policy accomplishment desperately. how legitimate is that concern >> it's out there as a possibility. you could have a bad deal. >> do you think he's more likely to do a bad deal. >> the question is any deal you can negotiate how does that compare to no deal. you'll have an imperfect deal. you won get an iran with zero nuclear capability. you won't get 100% capability. you have to accept in any deal. you have to compare it against life without and do you want to go war against these guys or do you want to simply have a
situation where without a deal they are free to do things, sanctions begin to break down. we'll ultimately have to swallow hard and think about is the only deal we can negotiate better than no deal? that's a grown up decision. in a sense it wasn't made now come next june that's back on the table. >> richard thank you so much. richard haas. ari as well. still ahead best selling author james patterson will explain how he'll save the novel and the protest on the ferguson grand jury decision splitting the country including here in new york. we have congressman meeks here. a new computer virus spreading fast but not the only reason why computer companies are concerned. more ahead on "morning joe." the holiday season is here, which means it's time for the volkswagen sign-then-drive event. for practically just your signature,
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♪ first and foremost we are a nation built on the rule of law. and so we need to accept that this decision was the grand jury's to make. there are americans who agree with it. there are americans who are deeply disappointed, even angry. it's an understandable reaction. but i join michael's parents in asking anyone who protests this decision to do so peacefully. >> president obama last night on grand jury's decision not to indict officer darren wilson for
the shooting death of michael brown. gregory meeks is here and on capitol hill former special assistant to president obama joshua dubois. congressman let me start with you. good to see you again. leapt me ask you, i'm sure you've thought about it an awful lot, new york, obviously, had a terrible incident that happened out on staten island. there were protests but peaceful protests. very charged but very peaceful. that's not happening in ferguson. what's the difference? what's the difference with ferguson right now and where new york and other communities are across the country? >> number one there's a lot of vent up frustration in ferguson. though no one, the president and that's particularly as mr. brown has indicated, no one wants violence. violence should not occur. a number of individuals that were out there last night, in fact, a number of protests that were nonviolent in ferguson. >> and across the country also.
>> that's correct. but i think that people are upset. this is a decision that folks do not understand. and there's questions in regards to this particular prosecutor. i'm a former prosecutor -- >> do you have questions about the process? >> yeah. i have questions in whether or not this prosecutor really wanted an indictment. i think that's year. >> why do you say that? >> generally when you take a case to the grand jury at the conclusion of the case the prosecutor asks for an indictment. from everything that i've gotten thus far from the transcripts this prosecutor never asked for an indictment. you're only talking about generally when you take a case to the grand jury, giving the grand jury the issues so that you can show there's probably cause to believe there's a crime committed. so it seems as if the prosecutor went into the grand jury wanting an outcome and that outcome being a no true bill. >> joshua we've been talking about the range of options that the grand jury had as they made their decisions, as it came out
yesterday from first degree murder which is a tough one but even to involuntary manslaughter and again for the grand jury all they had to find was probably cause for something like that. are you surprised then by the outcome? >> i am surprised and just deeply not only disappointed but really disconcerting feeling waking up in a country and a lot of black folks are waking up this morning feeling like maybe your life does not matter as much as someone else's. and whether you believe that that's the case or not that's something that should affect all of us as americans. the prosecutor's tone last night was all wrong. it felt like michael brown was the suspect there and darren wilson was his defense client rather than the other way around. you also have a case where it was finally confirmed that brown's body was 130 feet away from darren wilson. a lot of black folks are thinking this morning even if he was turning towards him, the fact is he was unarmed. isn't there another way to handle that situation other than shooting this young man dead?
so it really -- it feels like we've given license that when a person is intimidated by a black person in this country you can pull out your gun and shoot them and that's very disconcerting. >> gene robinson, off of what was just said, you have children, grown children now. talk about the inherent difficulty that white people in this country will just never get no matter how much we talk about it, about black parents raising children and having to tell them at a certain age to be aware of traffic stops, things like that. >> how many times have we talked about this, mike. you have to talk with your children, with your sons especially. you tell them, you know, be polite and keep your hands in sight and don't talk in an aggressive tone to police officers because it could be a matter of life and death and it's just frustrating to have to bring this up again and again
because these things keep happening, and as joshua said, you know, if you're a white person in this country and feel intimidated by a black person it seems that our system is saying, you know, shoot first and worry about consequences later. >> let me jump in here, though, and i'm loathe to jump in here as a guy from the south who went to a southern state school, but i do have to jump in here and say that the evidence before the grand jury did have michael brown going into the police car and swinging and hitting, et cetera, et cetera. i wasn't in the grand jury room, i'm not here defending not anything that's happened, i'm just putting that out there that this wasn't trayvon martin where he's walking along a residential neighborhood with skittles in his post and some guy because
he's black he's going to confront him and trayvon martin ends up dead. >> you're right this is different from that. if at the same time conflicting testimony about what actually happened and there was conflicting testimony about what actually happened, if that is prima facia evidence there shouldn't be even charges, then and let a jury decide then we'll have to let a whole lot of people out of jail being right? it's conflicting testimony. >> if i could add. i said in the 6:00 hour along with gene there are a lot of questions to be asked about how this entire grand jury was set up. it didn't go the way a lot of grand juries go. >> if i can jump in for a second. the other factor to consider now we have the pictures of officer darren wilson and we've gone from a situation where folks thought he was brutally assaulted to photos that show someone who looked like they came from a mild paint ballgame. this man, obviously, maybe he was in some sort of a tussle but the question is should that
tussle have resulted in him pulling out a gun at 130 feet and dumping 12 bullets into someone. a lot of folks is wondering about that. >> that's a question in most grand juries, if you didn't have the prosecutor playing defense attorney and prosecutor, congressman, that's something that would be heard in the court of law but we're not going there because, again, this grand jury wasn't set up like most grand juries which is to indict. >> that's why you have people upset all across this country because transparency didn't happen and it looks as though justice would not happen. and in what mr. dubois was talking about earlier, the recent case here in new york because it's happening all across the country where you have a young man shot in the stairwell and then you have the police commissioner say that was by accident when it was a kill shot that tells folks that if you are young and you happen to be african-american and male then your life is valueless. >> you were a prosecutor. >> yes.
>> have you ever seen a grand jury go down like this where you actually had a prosecutor go in and play it as down the middle as he played it instead of doing what prosecutors do. we all know prosecutors they are aggressive they want to indict and then they want to convict and if they can't convict they want to get the best sentence they can get. >> joe, i have never, ever, and what i did before coming on last night, figuring maybe i hadn't prosecuted a case in a long time i called a few of my friend who are prosecutors today and they said they have never ever seen a situation like this. >> no. all right. thank you so much. we appreciate it, congressman. always great to see you. josh, thank you so much. we really appreciate you being here. still ahead if republicans think they have a mandate after the sweeping mid-term victory they want to see a new poll that just came out. it's ugly for both sides. we'll be right back.
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>> nicole, what do republicans need to do over the next two years. not to repeat the same mistakes in 194 and 2010. >> i was disheartened their response on the president's response to immigration. they don't care how you get things done they want you to find a way. i think republicans have to stop talking process, stop talk about shutdowns and executive orders and talk about governing, talk about the economy, talk about jobs, talk about immigration. they could call this president's bluff on immigration by taking up in the house the senate bill. if they pass comprehensive immigration reform out of the senate and house, you know then game on. that would be really exciting. but i don't see enough signs that they are going to, to embrace the policy challenges. >> the senate passed a bill -- >> bipartisan bill. >> why doesn't the house pass their version of the bill.
>> paul ryan suggested doing it piecemeal. the problem not doing it, they said republicans are against comprehensive immigration reform. they are not. they haven't figured out how to do it. process is a huge loser for the party. they have to talk about policy. they have to offer suing begs and have to govern. >> they need to pass something through the house. >> yes. >> if it doesn't have the majority of republican votes it doesn't have the majority of republican votes and everybody can go back to their districts and bitch and moan and say they ran over me, doggone it it will help them. then presidential candidates that don't lose the hispanic vote. i'm not talking about amnesty or citizenship not the way that's faster than somebody getting here from india. comprehensive immigration bill. unless republicans are going to come out and say we are going to import 11.3 illegal immigrants. >> probably closer to 17 million if you add people on
overextended visa. >> it's a lie. it's a lie to suggest we're going to be tough and you can only deport 400,000 illegal immigrant as year when there's like you said maybe even closer to 17 million. >> they have to do something. it's a critical juncture for the republican party. the long term significance of their decision to complain and not pass any immigration reform legislation it could lock in latino voters for the opposition party. >> a shut down is a loser. >> just pass a bill. >> a flurry of lawsuits. >> the supreme court will -- >> the supreme court will take this up. the supreme court overturns the executive action americans are still going to look and say okay what's your plan. they need a plan. same thing with health care. shut down the government or come up with your own version. still ahead a number of small businesses were caught in the crossfire. how do businesses survive in
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malls are nice. this is where you get unique gifts for your family. >> we have something coming up on friday, the day after thanksgiving. >> i'm not going to say it. >> black friday. >> but you want to follow it. you guys have been doing this for a while. you want to follow it up on saturday with people going and supporting local small business owners. >> that's exactly right. small businesses are creating two out of three net new jobs in america. and they employ half of the private workforce. this is the group driving our economy, and there are 28 small businesses and they create local jobs. they treat their employees like family. they are turning the dollar more in a local community. why not shop small and dine small on november 29th? >> agree completely. let's go to what you said a little bit. they say small business is the yob creator of america. that's not true. new business is the job creator. by definition new businesses tend to start small. most small businesses don't grow
in size. how do we get more people to start their own business? >> thank you for that question. that was my leading question. >> that was a terrible question. zblf the sba has three programs that we do to help businesses start and grow. every business tells us they need counseling. they want to know how to grow their plan, make sure their marketing plan is targeting the right tarkt. and you know what, they're. then we have contracting opportunities. the u.s. government is the largest procurer in the world. the spa directs 23% of that spent to small business and finally they want access to capital. and so what they say is how do we get access to capital? the spa provides a government guarantee at their local bank to help them get to u.s. >> so what's the degree of difficulty in the last aspect of it?
given the restrictions, it's become increasingly difficult for people, small businesses to get loans. what's the story there? >> so what the sba does is provides us a guarantee. some people have a rich uncle and we have uncle sam who stands as a guarantor. and we zeroed out fees on loans under $150,000. some of it is costs. and then the other things the bank say is it's hard to navigate through the paperwork that the sba requires us to do. so we're now putting in smart system to deploy the al gmath - >> so what do you recommend for small businesses caught in the cross fire? obviously, northwest florida. i saw that come in for a lot of people who lost their homes in hurricanes. what about in cases like this? >> yeah, so i mentioned the three cs.
the counseling, the capital and the contracting opportunities. we also have a "d", which is when we see there's a community adversely affected, we come in and make direct economic injury loans to small businesses. so the sba is watching. as soon as we get a call from the governor, we can act. we can deploy to help small businesses there. >> i think you're going to get a call today. thank you so much. we really appreciate you being here. i'm going to go out shopping saturday afternoon. >> and dine small saturday night. >> take my family. we're going to have about 20 people in town. we may have to slit up, a couple restaurants. but we're going to do it. >> thank you very much. follow me on twitter. >> i'll do that. i cannot guarantee that i'm going to eat small. i never do. brian, stay with us, if you will. coming up next. new details for the deadly shooting of 18-year-old michael brown as the grand jury documents a release to the public, and a violent and tragic reaction from those outraged by the grand jury's decision. not up to the job. that's what president obama
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no probable cause exists to file any charge against officer wilson and return to no true bill on each of the five indictments. >> as soon as he announced the verdict, the officers started taking rocks and batteries.
i can tell you i personally heard about 150 shots fired. >> we are a nation built on the rule of law. we need to accept that this decision was the grand jury's to make. there are americans who agree with it, and there are americans who are deeply disappointed and even angry. but i join michael's parents in asking anyone who protests this decision to do so peacefully. >> our community has got to take some responsibility for what happened tonight. we talk about peaceful protests and that did not happen tonight. >> welcome to morning joe. tuesday, november 25th. a lot to cover with this set. mike barnacle. cohost of the view, nicole wallace. and also msnbc contributor and associate professor after columbia university school of international and public affairs, dorian warren.
and associate professor of the post, eugene robinson. no charges on the front page of the usa today. the new york post, treats of rage. from the daily news, america holds its breath. from "the new york times," grand jury chooses not to diet officer, and wall street journal officer not charged in many killing. there is so much to talk about. unfortunately, i think the first thing that i would at least want to know is why the hell. why the hell did they release this information the way they did? why did they have this buildup -- this slow crescendo to say we're going to be announcing it at 9:00. and i think most people knew. how this was going to come
down, just given what local authorities have been suggesting before, and then to announce that 9:00 at night. >> the time lapse was mystifying. >> it's mind boggling that a community and a state that had so mishandled this case from the very beginning continue to mishandle it at the very end. >> yeah. >> and the results, gene robinson, very predictable. they were horrible results. half a dozen buildings were set aflame. people looteded liquor and convenience stores. the missouri authorities, president obama and brown's family have requested, well, the president was making his request on a split screen while the riots were going on. it's -- you know, people are responsible for their own a,s, and it was horrific, the actions that were engaged in. but i can't believe that the officials in missourian dont have a done a better job.
bching the way ferguson's police department was run for so many years. . >> this was totally foreseeable. and look, i hate conspiracy theorys. i've spent a lot of time telling people how dumb their conspiracies are. if you knew you were going to announce there was no indictment, and you wanted to shift attention to the reaction, away from the decision itself, well, i guess this would be a way to do it. and this would certainly be a, you know, an awful way to do it. but why in the world do you announce this thing at 9:00 at night? i don't -- i'll never understand that. especially when the decision was ready at 2:00 p.m. >> when you would have been doing the police officers a player. you would have been doing the black-owned small businesses that was torched last night a
favor. you would be doing the families a favor. >> and the people who went out to protest peacefully and, you know, you would be doing them a favor. >> if you were going to go out and protest peacefully, you would do it at 3:00 in the afternoon. you would not do it given the history of what's been going on since august at 9:00 at night. willie geist, why don't we get everybody caught up to what happened last night. not just in ferguson, but across america. >> yeah, this continued deep into the night. let's go it to it here. the the unrest broke out moments after the county prosecutor announced a grand jury verdict did not indict officer darren wilson. that's the police officer who shot and killed michael brown, an unarmed teenager in august. this is one of the results of the protest. at least a dozen businesses in ferguson going up in flames, including a drugstore and a pizza restaurant. protesters set fire to numerous vehicles, including two police cars. other police vehicles damaged after being vandalized.
some demonstrators smashed windows. there was gunfire. and looting was reported at several stores in the area. president obama addressed the country last night, urging demonstrators to show restraint, but as joe just said, it was a remarkable split screen. his speech come just as the violence began to unfold, creating some pretty surreal images on tv. >> yeah, let's look at this, mike barnacle. you think somebody in the white house might have figured this out? that maybe the speech should have been before the announcement so you don't have the split screen? >> well, the speech couldn't have been before the today nounsment, because he had to react to the announcement. there's nothing the white house can do about how the cable networks are going to and l it. they all used the split screen. it seemed like everybody was tipping their hand at 2:00 in the afternoon.
i'm just curious if you wouldn't have the speech? >> i thought he should have gone there. i think the most brilliant speech as a president was the speech he gave on race. and i think that the words that he used last night were perfectly crafted they were not written and handed to him by a speech writer. i think they came from his heart. i think the white house was staring at bad options. ch they had to speak. they knew what would happen. i'm very impressed they went ahead. they were watching that, too. the press office in the briefing room. they knew what was happening. it was important enough to them. and i think the fakts that he stood in the the briefing room. he gave his remarks. he took questions. i had a moment where i thought he was going to rush out of there. he didn't. i think as the days go on it will endure as a powerful message that he delivered. and i hope he keeps it up. i hope he does visit ferguson in the coming days. >> it was one of his better moments.
>> it gets back to the original question that you pose, though. >> they give them eight hours to ge ready when they have so many options. they could have delayed this until tomorrow afternoon. about 4:00 in the afternoon. >> and the thing is, they tip their hand. i had no idea over the weekend. i thought the police officer was going to be indicted. when officials started coming out early urging calm, urging calm, you knew how this movie was going to end. >> i think we all knew. what also infuriated people was watching the press conference from mccullough. the 25-minute explanation as to why no indictment. he looked like the defense attorney in that moment, not a prosecutor. and if there's that much to explain, why not take it to trial? i think it was the long press
conference that really infuriated people. the explanation. the detail. all of that stuff. >> gene robinson, you brought up a good point in "way too early." you look at the evidence. the evidence looks like there's not a jury. there's not a jury in missouri that would convict this police officer if you look at the evidence. and that said, you usually take care of that in trials. >> exactly. >> when you are in grand juries, you are actually -- you're the the prosecutor. you are doing michael brown's bidding. you're not doing justice's bidding as far as with a blindfold. you're not the the defense attorney and the prosecutor. you're looking at if there's probable cause to possibly convict this police officer. that didn't happen from the very beginning. for whatever reasons. >> you're there to represent the
victim and society. you're the the prosecutor. you're not there to represent the defendant. and the standard, as you said, is probable cause. it's not -- >> that is a low, low standard. >> right. >> it's a very low standard. and do you you not have probable cause when you have, you know, an unarmed young man who is shot multiple times but a police officer. you saw the photos of officer wilson and despite the the early erroneous reports about a broken eye socket or whatever. in fact, he had a contusion. he had a bruise and was told at the the the hospital -- i read the medical report, to go home and take some aleve. that was the extent of his treatment that night. all that leads to probable cause. >> and we need to make sure everybody understands what we're saying here. what i said at first is looking at all this evidence, you're not going to -- i just don't think
you're going top find efd to convict this officer. but that's not the stage we're at. >> exactly. >> we're at a much different stage. and that will affable cause concerns with legal scholars moving forward. >> don't you know this as an attorney. at an indictment hearing, you give basically a loose sketch of the evidence you have to get probable cause. it's unclear to me how it took months and months and months. clearly the prosecutor laid out every detail of the case. >> yeah, 25 hours of testimony. 60 witnesses. but what i'm curious about now, there are two federal investigations. one into the case. one into whether or not there was a pattern of civil rights abuses by the ferguson police department. but i feel like in all the stories i read from obviously sources are that they don't look likely to find him culpable
either. >> they're not going to. >> why? >> because the standard is so much higher at this level. and again, we're talking about the standard, mike. and hell, you know this. all the years you were a reporter. this standard is so low when you're looking at a grand jury situation. >> so this is the lowest bar. >> and then you go to federal, where they're bringing a federal case. the bar is so much higher. >> without this, those cases are -- is that -- i'm not a lawyer. >> they'll look at it independently. the standard is so much higher. and if you look at the evidence, the evidence seems to support the officer. that said. i'm talking about the end of the day. that said though, mike, that's not what these types of hearings are about. we think this is a bad guy. look at the evidence we have against this guy. look what he did to shareholder ls. we want to take him to trial. the grand jury goes, okay,
that's basically it. >> last week i spoke to a prosecutor, a friend of mine who has done hundreds of grand juries. the grand jury is 12 grand jurors seated like at a picnic table. it's not the jury box. >> and they're just sitting for a jury. >> these are ferguson residents. you have 12 jurors selected. they've been sitting for four or fife months. you have the prosecutor in the room. and you have witnesses who come in and testify. the prosecutor does the questioning. the five counts that perhaps could have been levelled for an indictment against the police officer here. and the minimum -- at a minimum, the prosecutor that i spoke to said, i would bet you a lot of money that they will end up with involuntary manslaughter. at least one. at least one. based on what they have. based on the evidence. >> a lot of people might say why
would you do that, as i'm saying the evidence that we look at shows that a jury is not going to be able to convict him. because any lawyer will tell you you never know what happens when you walk through that door. there have been a lot of cases that i have seen great lawyers handle that started. they said this looks like a losing case. and then you take a deposition. you get evidence. you start pulling on a string, and suddenly the entirely new truth is real. maybe that would not happen here. maybe it would. we're not going to find out. and the range of options, as mike said. first-degree murder. that would have requireded premeditation. but involuntary manslaughter, some people thought would have come up. let's talk about the the grand jury. seven men, five women. three african-americans. nine whites on that grand jury. county prosecutor robert mccullough said the result will remain anonymous. they testified he charged at
officer wilson before he was shot. multiple witnesses either changed their stories or gave conflicting accounts. he also said three autopsies contradicted witnesses who claim they saw brown shot in the back. >> i'm ever mindful that this decision will not be accepted by some and may cause disappointment for others. all decisions in the criminal justice system must be determined by the physical and scientific evidence and the credible testimony corroborated by that evidence, not in response to public outcry or for political expediency. >> he did not mention that brown was unarmed when he shot. he did single out the media, saying they contributed to unrest officially. these are photos of officer wilson after his altercation with brown. wilson testified that brown hit him when he first approached the teen about a robbery. the officer said he warned brown he would shoot if he did not get
back. at which time he grabbed at wilson's gun and twisted it around. wilson said brown looked like a demon during the altercation. this is all from the testimony of the grand jury. then he drew his gun out of fear another punch would knock him out. he testified when te grabbed the teenager, who was 6'4", he said, quote, i felt like a 5-year-old holding onto hulk hogan. after the grand jury's announcement, wilson's attorney released a statement that said law enforcement personnel must make split second decisions. officer wilson followed his training and followed the law. michael brown's mother cried and screamed when she heard officer wilson would not be indicted. they said we're profoundly disappointed the killer of our child will not face the consequences of his actions. join with us in our campaign to ensure every police officer working the streets of this country wears a body camera. we respectfully ask that you
please keep your protest peaceful. answering violence with violence is not the appropriate action. jean gene robinson, the brown family conducting itself with incredible grace, and unfortunately their request was not met in ferguson last night. >> right, and what sounds to me like a perfectly reasonable request and pgs to take. body cameras would have told us a lot more about what happened. we wouldn't need this dueling, conflicting testimony. we would have a world of this encounter. and i guess, some officers the at least in ferguson are now wearing cameras. i wish that were much more widespread. >> no doubt about it. hopefully that is one thing that can come out of this tragedy. i don't really understand why, mike, there wouldn't be body cameras. it helps the cops.
it helps the good cops. it helps scitizens. as i've said repeatedly, the only people who don't want that are the bad cops who push their authority around and we need every cop in america to have a camera on them. >> commissioner bratton said that when he feels here after the protests. he said the nypd is the largest police department in the country that they're looking at it. and it's a cost issue for a lot of police departments. but you're absolutely right. the only people who could oppose it are the ones who didn't want everyone to see. >> every profession, gene, has bad actors. i think for the most part, law enforcement officers do a great job, and i commend them for going out and putting their lives on the line every night. i think it's in their best interest that the 2, 3, 4%, 5% of the the people in uniforms that act like punks from time to
time have cameras on there. if they do, the 5% will become 0% really quickly. >> yeah, it's in the interest of all good cops and not in the interest of the bad cops. and so there ought to be cameras. one thing we ought to mention is there were protests last night, peaceful protests in cities around the country, including here in washington, in los angeles, in new york. there was a big protest. so you know, this became a national issue and nationally there was a big response, and for the most part in the vast majority, an appropriate response to what frankly most people see as a miscarriage of justice. and we'll have to go forward from here. it's a bad place to start from. but we'll have to go forward from here and see what good can come out of this awful and i think unnecessary tragedy. >> still ahead on "morning joe." james paterson is hoping to take
his fight to save bookstores all the way to the president. why that involves burning books. okay. i had a sunday schoolteacher like that. plus, watch out bill karins. governor cuomo is taking aim at the meteorologists for lack of preparation for the big snow. we'll see if we can't get him to personally blame you. but first, bill, go ahead. give your prebuttal and also the rest of the forecast. should mike barnacle leave now. >> how could he go blaming meteorologists? first thing, we're very thin skinned and we're all tech peek. we have all our records. this was the most well forecasteded lake-effect ever. on monday, three days before the event, i said forget the ruler. and the next day, i said up to five feet possible, historic but highly localized event just south of the buffalo area.
so the buffalo weather service did a fantastic job, too. i don't know. maybe he has reasons. maybe he doesn't like weather. let's talk about the upcoming storm coming your way. it's amazing we have winter storm watches for the region. and it's in the 50s. here's how the snow is going to come down. this is the snow totals by about 3:00 to 4:00 a.m. thursday. notice that we don't have a lot of heavy snow on i-95. mostly rain wednesday morning. if you're driving, you can go out wednesday morning, and you're just fine. new york city southward. the colder air works in. rain changes to snow. we'll pick up a couple of inches. new york city at most, maybe three or four big slushy inches. heavy, wet snow. interior sections will get nailed. all those areas with a chance of six plus. portland at 48. boston doesn't get quite as much. so the timing of that, again. is going to be starting wednesday afternoon. really intense wednesday night. be off the the roads in new england wednesday night.
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white house has pleaded guilty to misdemeanor kmacharges. he was ordered to remain held without bond. and the washington democratic national committee has announced three cities still in the running to post the party's 2016 convention. they are new york. >> good spot. good spot. >> philadelphia. >> really? one of the best conventions i've ever been. everybody kind of ground in 2000. and columbus. i got relatives there. that's good, too. 3 for 3. and pennsylvania and ohio could be critical swing states, of course. the next presidential election, of course. republicans think that pennsylvania will be a critical swing state. but it never is. it's fool's gold, as i've been saying for a couple l of decades now. they will slouch out there and do the walk of shame. the dnc may move its convention
week up from august to july. thank you for trying to ruin my july. i won't let you do it. >> he won't be there. >> new york governor andrew cuomo says weather forecasters are to blame as criticism mounts over the state's response to the winter storm that pummeled the buffalo area. governor cuomo said state officials were unaware it was going to snow that hard in such a short amount of time. a spokesman said the forecast was, quote, timely and accurate. the governor seemed to take a page from mayor bill de blasio's book who blamed the failure on shutting down schools on bad weather reports. every meteorologist will tell you this was predicted. the national weather service. whether it's bill karins. >> ignore bill karins. >> al roker, anybody will tell you they saw this coming and talked about it. >> yeah, bill! we only said five. >> they didn't say seven. >> we're going to let nicole. >> oh, that's my guy. >> leaving miami.
>> yeah, i need that. i need that. we want you to read about it. >> i can do it. is it mean? usa today. before monday night's game, lebron james delivered a blunt announcement. i stink, he said. i'm not doing my job. the cavs were on a four-game losing streak, but james bounced back scoring 29 points and leading cleveland to their sixth win of the season. >> we all know they're going to end up like in the finals. >> there's 70 games left. >> turn on your tv memorial day and you'll get a good sense on whether the cavs or -- >> and we'll be talking about the republican convention. >> new york daily muse. meryl streep, stevie wonder and tom brokaw were among the medals
of freedom yesterday. they give extraordinary service in the arts, public service, and science. during the ceremony, the president also professed his love for meryl streep. >> i love meryl streep. i love her. her husband knows i love her. michelle knows i love her. there's nothing either of them can do about it. >> i love that. the presidents love these ceremonies. >> george w. bush. >> mohammed ali moved him the most. he awarded him the medal of freedom. and he talked about it for days and weeks. >> coming up, the ez dig nation of defense secretary chuck ha l hagel. we'll talk to the woman who broke the news to t"the new yor time times". stay with us. i know what you're thinking...
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♪ >> i have today submitted my resignation as secretary of defense. it's been the greatest privilege of my life, the greatest privilege of my life to lead and most important to serve, to serve with the men and women of
the defense department and support their families. i am immensely proud of what we accomplished during this time. >> translator: with us from washington, "the new york times" elaine cooper. she broke the story of chuck hagel's resignation as defense secretary yesterday and here onset with us, we have the host of the reid report, joy reid. thank you so much for being with us. what were the causes based on your reporting? >> well, i think it was a little bit at first glance, you would think this was surprising because in so many ways chuck hagel was exactly who president obama initially wanted. he wanted to take the temperature down at the pentagon after four years in which he was constantly at friction with his military, and he wanted somebody to carry out his orders quietly. who would bring troops home from afghanistan and see to the budget cuts.
in all those ways chuck hagel did exactly that. but the interesting thing is he durned tout to be a victim of that prescription in his own success. because he turned out to be almost too passive for president obama. he didn't speak up. you hear white house people saying he didn't talk as much, speak up, he was very quiet in meetings. he didn't present his views forcefully. and at the end of the day, after the midterms and you saw criticisms of the president's national security team and the white house decided they needed a shakeup, particularly in view of the bumbling strategy towards the islamic state in iraq and syria, they went for the low hanging fruit and chuck hagel was there. >> there was an expanded involvement coming with the united states role in afghanistan, based upon the the new afghan president being in place.
there is going to be increased involvement. which takes precedent in the mind of the president, do you think, according to your reporting and observation. the national security council, the joint chiefs of staff or the secretary of defense? which of those would take precedent. >> that is so easy. the national security council. he's such an insider's guy. >> he trusts the people who are around him. and his national security council is very much filled can dam pain loyalists and people with him in 2006 and 2007. you look at dennis mcdonough, the white house chief of staff. and these are the people he goes to when he needs any sort of
real advice. his cabinet on the other hand is much more removed from the process. even secretary of state john kerry is not viewed by the bhous as somebody they can really turn to and trust at all times. so you have this almost sort of insider inner circle l and cabinet officials on the outside who have trouble penetrating that. >> so what do you think would be the reaction among the people who you know in the secretary of defense office or in the joint chiefs who you know and you report on regularly when they hear the phrase that you just used campaign workers who are close to the president. rather than joint chiefs or the secretary of defense? >> you know, i think everybody -- i think the people on the joint chiefs and the people at the pentagon have played the washington game for a long time and know what to accept.
they know what to expect. at the same time, i think there's definitely been some alienation, particularly at the pentagon of this obama white house. and this goes back to the first term. when you had the military commanders constantly pushing president obama on more troops in afghanistan. on slowing the exit from iraq. so there's been some tension between the building and we call it the building. aye been a total pentagon reporter. between the pentagon and the white house. and it almost feels as if we're going back to what's normal there. what a pentagon insider you have become. my congratulations on a complete scoop. what was your reaction to not just the decision but the d.a.'s
handling during the investigation and last night. zblf the the decision was not a surprise at all. this is what i expected to happen at all. it's rare for police officers to be indicted, let alone tried and convicted of killing people. i was reading about horrible instants out of seattle. where it's just hard to indict a cop. >> and even when the facts are egregio egregious. you go back to 1979. arthur mcduffy not long before christmas, beaten to death by a group of police officers who cracked his skull open. no conviction there. you can go through. patrick shot dead by a police officer who insisted he was a drug dealer, even though he was just a security guard killed in front of other people. and still no indictment there, and in fact, his jufl record thrown out to the public. the mayor at the time said he's
no choir boy if the security guard deserved to die. you go through the cases. rodney king is beaten with cameras rolling. and it took the feds to come in. go all the way through the litany of cases. particularly of young black men. i never heard of a police officer going to jail, particularly at the state level for doing that. i in no way expected that to happen. and then on top of that, bob mccullough and every lawyer i talked to on the show said he has telegraphed openly throughout this entire process, that the result we saw last night was exactly the result he was looking for. prosecutors get what they want when they go for it. he made it very clear. >> how did he do that? >> first of all, he didn't just make the decision. he had the power within his officer to indict or not indict. ft he didn't need the grand jury. he chose to go to the grand jury. then he did a document dump in front of them. gave them no narrative. walked them through nothing. he did state last night that he
didn't do the questioning himself. and then just talking back and forth with lisa bloom, the wonderful legal analyst here as she's going through the way he was questioned. that was a friendly conversation. there was not a tough questioning of the officer. so everything from the lack of a narrative to this prosecutor not talking to the family. i repeatedly have asked lawyers for michael brown's family, have hay that had any contact with the prosecutor? they've had zero. he's done nothing to reach out to the family. typically they are advocates for the victims in the case. they try to talk to the family. they try to represent the the family. this guy did none of that. he's always signaled to the police. everything about him signals that to the police. so what i suz surprised about, though, was that the public policy action of waiting until 9:00 at night, eastern time for something you knew you were going to do. i'm sure he knew at 9:00 that morning. i'm sure he knew a month ago there would be no indictment. to wait and roll this out with a
crowd of people weeping in the street at 9:00 at night, when only the people who are the most angry are going to remain in the street and not go home. ch i think it was a recipe for exactly what you saw. completely predictable. and teringly managed. >> we agree all around the table. thank you so much. we appreciate it. you can watch the reid report at 2:00 p.m. on msnbc. still ahead, twit ircfo, the twitter cfo actually tweets out concern why it's creating a giant mystery on wall street. you don't want to do that. >> no. go! go! wow! go power...oats! go! made from oats cheerios! cheerios! go, go, go! go power oats!
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>> i need to open my eyes? >> yes. what am i missing? >> i spend my time on the phone with the internet and reaching out to my friends on facebook and getting word out. >> please don't say facebook to me again. he's having trouble describing what he really wants. and that's because the job that he wants doesn't actually exist. i get the feeling he wants to collect a six-figure salary without doing the work. have you worked the register since i've been there? when i'm in, i'm all in. >> i agree. >> that's very different from what i've seen from you. i don't think you've been all in. >> marcus' eyes are open. don't say facebook to him. >> don't say facebook. >> that was a scene from the new episode of "the profit", which appears tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern and pacific times on cnbc. brian sullivan is back with business before the bell with a segment that doesn't suck apparentl
apparently. >> it does not suck. >> there's mika by the way. gdp finished up 3.9%, by the way. higher than the previous reed. good news across the board. and if you have not been paying attention, the u.s. stock market tide the longest 30-day upstreak since 1928. >> that would be very exciting but for the fact that it was 1928. what happened to 1929? >> flappers were hot. the rumble seat was a good place to go. yes. >> causation is not corallation. it does not mean that. we hope. we're in the middle of the greatest short term stocks in the history of america.
the rich keeps getting richer and the poor keeps getting poorer. >> do you have a question from twitter? >> oh, yeah, what's this thing? the cfo meant it to be private. >> it's confusing to a lot of people. and twitter has been 45rd to use for the average population. they're like what in the world is this? the cfo of twitter meant to dm somebody about buying a company. but sent it out as a tweet. a very well respected guy here. but if you're the cfo twitter and having trouble using twitter, it's like joe tori saying let's kick a field goal. >> how do we really know it was an accident? oops. >> the sec may be calling if it's not. although, he didn't name it. >> brian sullivan.
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florida which is another tough town. and people feel hopeless. and it's really about getting kids competent. i would like to make readers for life. if they're competent readers, they can get through high school. if they're not, they can't get through high school. # and talk about saving books. you know. we had these massive chains. now they have been killed by amazo amazon. >> partly by amazon. partly by themselves. >> when we go to our bookstores, they're packed. >> i i independents have an opportunity now to correct some things. one of the things with
independe independe independent, and you know, we give out a lot of money. but there's an opportunity with kids. kids have not made the switch to ebooks. >> you mentioned amazon. they are this giant of the industry. you know. you order online. how can amazon be helpful in growing? >> i think -- i would love it if the government protected books a little, and they don't. but amazon is the next great hope. amazon could help with reading in the country. i think they probably are. >> how is that? they could be promoting it all over on their site. they could get families more into ebooks. which families don't know how to do it. how many readers there are. they could do a lot. they have good reads.
>> mr. patterson, you said independent bookstores have an opportunity now. how do they survive in the world of amazon, who is just a dominant player in the industry? >> well, i think there are a lot of things. one, a lot of independents bring in a lot of authors to speak. that's really -- it's a pain in the the neck i think the pricing thing, sometimes they have to be morale about. just because it says $27.95, you know, got to question that. i mean, you have to be a little real. i can buy it for a lot less. you can still make money on it. and then kids. what we do, you must have a -- a kids section. and a couple of stores have taken the kids' session and put it out front. >> magnetized to it. four kids. we love alex cross. let's talk about the kids' book
zbr yeah, i know at this stage in my life, i don't need to make much. but i'm just turned on by the notion of getting kids reading and how important it is. one is for kids that are already competent, broaden the base. i mean, stop with this knee-jerk thing. you know it's happening out in the st. louis area that's very complicated. and the more you read, the smarter you get. immigration is really complicated. so that's been bright. just read more, learn more. and the thing about reading, look, as individuals we can't do things about the health care crisis or whatever you think of global warming. but as individuals, we can't get the kids in our house reading. we can do that. >> it's incredible. james patterson. thank you so much for being with
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that's going to wrap it up for "way too early." "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ here's a political announcement. a political announcement. i saw already this was like two days ago. take a look at this. >> he's been called an elitist. he vacations on martha's vineyard. he has been accused of ignoring the crisis in missouri and overlooking the concerns of the african-american community. hell, i could do that. paid for by romney, 2016. good morning, everybody. it is thursday, august 21st. welcome to "morning joe." a lot to get to this morning. >> boy, we do. >> on the front page of all the papers, we have got news that there was an attempt to rescue jim foley. we start there. the pentagon confirms that dozen of special operation troops unsuccessfully tried to rescue the journalist james foley and
other american hostages earlier this summer in syria. the captives were not at the targeted locations and foley was eventually murdered by islamic. >> people are very angry right now about not only about this murder. "the new york times" is reporting they angry this information was released. a lot of people feeling that the information was released so the president could look like he was really engaged. he, obviously, is getting hammered for going out golfing right after this horrifying news. the "daily news" has this on the front page. that actually cuts both ways. a lot of people talking about it. but can you imagine? i mean, both of you, if you're president of the united states and like the europeans pay out
these hostage ransoms all of the time but barack obama didn't and what a terrible choice to have to make. >> it is a terrible choice and other countries do it. president obama is vowing not to let up the campaign against the terrorists responsible for the bloodshed. here he is yesterday. >> jim was taken from us in an act of violence that shocks the conscience of the entire world. no just god would stand what they did yesterday and what they do every single day. from governments across the middle east there has to be a common to extract this cancer and a clear rejection of this ideologies. we agree on that a group like
isil has no place. >> he was seen smiling on the golf course moments after, along with alonzo mourning, nba star. before this, you heard from foley's parents as well in a news conference so a lot of people are feeling this picture shows a president that is disengaged and a president who doesn't have a sense of tone in terms of the moment. >> there actually two ways to look at this. because, you know, your first instinct is to look at this. right? >> yeah. >> and to say, how are -- and it's the truth. there's another way to look at it too, which is, i mean, you know, george w. bush told us to go shopping, to go to malls after 9/11, show those terrorists. here, i think there's probably one or two terrorists in isis,
because this is how they make their money, right? al qaeda funded their operations by kidnapping europeans and getting ransom money, right? and so they are negotiating with spock with a pitching wedge here. he is spock. maureen dowd calls him spock. he is spock. i'm sure there may even be one or two terrorists, with willie, over in vae right now looking at him going, wow, that is one cold bastard. like he goes golfing on martha's ven yard. people might be watching are you criticizing the president or not? i don't know what i'm doing. i just know that this is how terrorists fund their organizations and if the president were in the white house reading his hands and weeping, no, he is out golfing. and it's horrible for the parents, but it does send a message to the terrorists.
i'm sure barack obama would say, you know, if we can't go golfing at an exclusive golf course at martha's vineyard and the terrorists have already won. >> i don't think you can say that. >> i'm not making light of any situation, i'm merely pointing out these are horrible, horrible optics domestically but internationally, willie, for terrorists, it's basically like screw you, screw you. we are not going to live by your rules. >> yes. >> try to follow that one. do you know what i'm saying? >> i follow what you're saying. we know this president, this white house has no time or patience what we call optics, theater. i'm doing the job. if i play golf once in a while, so be it. in this case, i always hate the vacation and golf criticism that happens every summer with every president. >> because they should be working 24 hours a day. >> lets jaw say right here. presidents are always working even on a -- whether on a golf
course or behind a desk. >> yes. >> they are always working. >> yes. so that is the first part. the second part is but in this case, you had such a horrific act and people saw it and it was on the front page of newspapers and the family was crying. you'd think out of respect, just for the family even, forget what the press thinks about it, for the family maybe take a step back an quietly go about your job. he is attacking isis relentlessly right now. air strikes again yesterday and air strikes this entire month and not like he is sitting back and doing nothing. >> i don't think to confuse anybody here, mika. i could not have do it. i could not have gone out and played golf. i just couldn't have done it. that says, maureen dowd always calls him spock inspect . he is kind of spock. in this case, as maddening it may seem -- i do wonder, though. when you look at these terrorists, what are they
thinking? like, they just traded in a war weary sleeping giant. >> right. >> for a pissed off country and the story always ends the same! let's see. no, it didn't. osama bin laden, no, he got a bullet through his eye. saddam hussein got -- no. we actually ripped off his head from his body after he was hung. dresden and nagasaki, they have placed a huge target on their backs by doing this and i'm serious. when are the bad guys going to understand that it's just better to walk on the other side of the street. go ahead. pick on europeans. they will pay your ransom. they are on a vacation from history. again, i'm not being facetious here. there is no jingoism here.
this is just stupid. >> nothing speaks the conscience of war weary americans and pictures we saw yesterday all over the front pages. horrifying and you can't just sit and let it go by. >> you cannot let this go by. they have exposed themselves. >> your father, your brother, your uncle. >> they have exposed themselves as the cancer they are. the president of the united states are now calling them a cancer has has to be cut off. >> everyone will agree. >> the attacks now will only accelerate and have as of yesterday. to washington now. bbc state correspondent is back from lebanon. kim, thank you for being with us. >> great to be here. >> what can you tell us what happened, looking at the commando raid, the attempt by special forces of the united states, to go after and rescue jim foley, a failed attempt because he had been moved by the time the special forces got there? >> first off, i'd like to point out we are macking today the one year anniversary of the chemical
weapon attacks against syrians just outside damascudamascus. that provoked a brief moment of international outrage at the time which almost led to american and european military strikes against syria, which in the end did not happen. syria one year on is even in a worse president. we heard from the french president yesterday saying if the international community had shown a bit more resolve in pushing for a transition in syria, in other words, if the u.s. and its european allies had gone for strikes, perhaps isis were not to be where it is today. >> kim, can i ask you about that? because there is a debate, obviously, going on in the united states between two pretty powerful democrats. hillary clinton, you know better than anybody, and barack obama saying that it's, quote, fantasy. her position and the president of france position. what is the feeling throughout the international community,
throughout the european community will what would have happened? are they on the side of the president or hillary clinton as far as intervening in syria before this madness took over the entire country? >> well, my reading from talking to european officials and from being in the arab world the u.s. left a vacuum in the region. that is very much hillary clinton's view as well. it's debatable, of course, but look at the situation on the ground at the moment, that is very much the feeling that europeans have and i do believe that because of what is happening in iraq, because of what we saw happen to james foley and because of this attempt to rescue american hostages in syria, i think only a matter of time until the press will have to consider the possibility of strikes against islamic militants in syria. the conundrum there is, of
course, ininadvertently he may shore your president assad who says he is fighting islamic militants. >> joining us from erbil, iraq, nbc chief global responsibility bill neil li with the latest on the ground there. bill? >> reporter: yes, well, the u.s. air strikes have not stopped since the murder of jim foley. there were at least 14 yesterday bringing to 84 the on total of air strikes in the mosul dam since this campaign started. the big question where did this campaign end? what are its goals? initially stop genocide against a religious minority and to protect you u.s. facilities here in erbil. why is the u.s. continuing its campaign? president obama said yesterday that we will act, we will
confront isis, but for how much longer? and how deep is the involvement of the u.s. here in northern iraq going to be? it's easy to start a campaign, not so easy to end it. interestingly, this military operation, unlike so many others in the past that, desert storm, desert fox does not have a name. there is no brand on this operation and no end in sight. >> that is the question, what is the objective now? how far does the united states go? bill, thanks so much for your reporting on the ground in iraq. appreciate. officials hope the tide is turning if ferguson, missouri, following the second straight night of reduced demonstrations. it follows a visit by attorney general eric holder who met with captain ron johnson along with college students and community leaders. he says he understands why there is mistrust of police. recalling when he was stopped twice for speeding and had his car searched. attorney general holder rejected criticism of his trip to ferguson. >> i need to be here, you know?
i was a little disturbed to see people questioning why i was here. my answer to that would be why would i be any other place than right here, right now, to talk to the people in this area who are deserving of our attention and we want to help as best we can. >> prosecutors began presenting evidence to a grand jury which will determine if the officer who shot 18-year-old michael brown at least six times should be charged. joining us now from ferguson, nbc's craig melvin. the reports from the ground last night, craig, relative peace. is that what you saw? >> it was peaceful and calm for the second straight night. monday into tuesday, nearly 70 arrests. tuesday into wednesday, more than 50 arrests. last night here, as of 1:00 a.m., there were six arrests. by and large, the half dozen folks were arrested for failure to disperse, disturbing the
peace. captain johnson indicated that law enforcement felt like the tide might be beginning to turn here in ferguson. we should note that there were some pretty severe thunderstorms at one point last night, but even before that, we saw the smallest, quietest crowd of protesters we have seen so far on the ground here. of course, the highlight or the headline yesterday, i should say, attorney general eric holder on the ground for several hours meeting with community leaders and many with captain johnson as well and also some time with the congressional delegation and talked with missouri governor jay nixon, in addition to speaking from the heart about his own experiences as a young black man in america. he also -- we should remember here, this is the same attorney general just last week was somewhat critical of the response here in ferguson. at one point saying they should get these damn tanks out of here. but, again, based on what i saw yesterday, based on the folks i talked to last night, it
appears, it appears that, right now, peace and order are about to be restored to ferguson. >> we can hope. craig, thank you very much. >> i love that line that eric holder gave, which is, you know, people are criticizing him for being there. he said where else would i be? i don't always agree with this guy but he is right. where else would he be, right? >> it makes no sense. i want to show you a piece of video that came. it's from tuesday night. local police officer threatening what appeared to be a peaceful protester on the streets. >> oh, my gosh. gun raid. gun raid. >> my hands are up, bro. my hands are up. >> hands up. hands up. >> raid [ bleep ] [ bleep ] hands up. >> get back. get back. >> you're going to kill him. >> he is threatening to kill him. >> get back. >> what is your name, sir? [ bleep ]. >> your name is [ bleep ]
yourself go [ bleep ] yourself. hello, officer. >> officer, he is trying to kill me. >> what are you doing? >> i know you guys are watching. [ bleep ] he had to be told by another officer to -- >> pointing his gun at people for no reason. >> the st. louis county police department says the officer has been relieved of duty. >> what in the hell? >> i would say there has been a lot of discussion around the imbalance of the police officer in st. louis. it's a bad mix. that was horrendous. i'm making no excuse for that guy. it shows they are tolgs tally unmatched to today's times. >> this guy is pointing a live weapon?
what is going on here? >> he being gotated, yes. >> you'd think two weeks into this the learning curve you're not waving a semiautomatic weapon at a crowd with media all around. >> the media is everywhere and this guy in the middle of it pointing a gun. >> i just looked at the video early. i know there was, obviously, someone was rolling television video. this guy was clear knowledgeable that he was being videotaped. so at least you would think he would stop for fear of being seen doing that. >> so he says -- >> but he shouldn't be doing that. >> i'm sorry, mika. he said he thought he saw somebody with a gun so he raised his weapon. he thought he was being confronted. turned out it was a bb gun. he saw something he thought was a gun. the police say they relieved him because of the way he treated the crowd and not the approach he used. >> i would agree with that. if a crowd is goating you, that
is incite them even more to tell them, what he said? it's incredible. incredible. >> but, listen. this is, again, this is bush league. there's so many amateurs that have been down there. i sure as hell wouldn't know what to do. >> my gosh, a terrible situation. >> but there are great police officers across america, disciplined forces that know exactly how to do this. and at some point -- isn't the national guard called in? >> yeah, they have been there, yes. >> no question it's a hard job. >> no. i can't even imagine being in that position. i'm not trained to be in that position but there are a lot of great cops. a lot of good cops who are. >> still ahead on "morning joe," 13-year-old pitching ace mo' ne davis is making mat headlines for her pitching in the little league world series. bring you her story in a bit.
nick opperman brings us some bizarre shower thoughts. >> if hillary clinton wins in 2016, it will be the first time two presidents have had sex with each other. >> what? >> that never rossed my mind. thank you, nick. >> we really appreciate that. >> i'm flaed he pglad he put th in my mind. >> that is, obviously, in hollyweird. a cat is put on a life saving diet. oh, snucts! >> i want that cat. >> the cat is on a diet. >> life saving diet! what is the cat eating? chihuahuas for breakfast? >> first, here is bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> kale chips for that cat! good morning, everyone.
two things to talk about. the heat wave that is gripping the country and then what is going to happen with this tropical disturbance and will it affect florida and the southeast coast. ? we are starting off with your morning commute, if you're in minnesota a lot of rain out and some severe storms. the heat wave is full fledged and it will be here at least a week. from texas all the way to florida and as far north as st. louis, kansas city. that is where we are watching the peak of this heat. easily 95 degrees for about all of next seven days in a row. the heat index will be worse. notice the temperatures in memphis. no signs of a cool down right through the beginning of next week. here is your thursday forecast. i got 95 plus in at least 13 states so that is one of the hottest temperature forecasts we have had so far this summer and it continues right into your friday. and as far as the tropics go the hurricane hunters will fly into this tropical wave out here today. this is projected.
yesterday we were thinking the caribbean and gulf and it shifted to the north and now thinking puerto rico and drub and tuesday near florida or the bahamas so all eyes will stay on that. it's too early to tell about intensity or anything like that because the land interaction down there in the mountainous terrain of the dominican republic. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. ♪
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♪ it is 6:30 on the east coast. time for the must read opinion. joining the table pulitzer prize winning journalist jon meacham. and kim gattis with us as well from world. six years into this presidency, we know barack obama can do empathy and know he can channel a family ae's grief for a murde son. we don't know if he can muster the will and fortitude to defeat and enemy that is growing in strength and danger on his watch. even if mr. obama absolves
himself and still blames george w. bush for his middle eastern troubles, that does him and the world no good now. isis is marching while he is commander in chief. mr. obama must get over his political fixation and mr. bush's war. mr. president, we share your disgust for james foley killers. we need to know if you're willing to do what it needs to be done to defeat these enemies of america and a civilized world. hasn't he done that to an extent? >> he took the first steps. and last week saying it's a humanitarian mission and he was just opening the door for a more aggressive approach. the president now calling isis a cancer. they are the taliban and don't want to live out their days in dusty villages in afghanistan.
they want to come to us and kill us. >> so far the approach has been targeted specific air strikes in response to specific actions from isis. there is one line in this "wall street journal" op-ed says mr. obama must get over his political mfixation. that is where isis is in iraq. >> i think to me the great question, and this is a hurry layman's point and what does that mean. the murder of james foley is an attack on our country area our values and the president was very articulate about that. one part of presidential leadership here is explaining the problem we face and the options that are commensurate and practical to undertake and with isis, remember a group that al qaeda thought was too radical. i'll say that again. al qaeda thought they were too
radical. this is a stubborn and incredibly difficult enemy so what do we do? >> explain what happened with the brutal murder of james foley. heri contacted him and said cut that out, that's too brutal. he said just shoot them in the head and be done with it because he understood the response this provoked. >> exactly. >> and i think what i would want to know, i think it's a fundamental operation of, again, of the presidency beginning with fdr who did it brilliantly, we can see what the problem is. right? >> right. >> we have an even more stubborn terrorist foe that is geographically in place but disbursed. "wall street journal" seems to be calling for ground forces. willie mentioned air strikes. what are the options?
>> by the way, the map, kim, has gotten so much more complex. as you said earlier, the man who barack obama, i believe rightly said must go, assad, is suddenly our ally in this battle. the iranians suddenly an ally in this battle insofar as they want to see isis stamped out as well. >> they do. although i don't think anybody in washington would describe the iranians and president assad as america's allies today. >> no, they wouldn't, but they certainly are the enemy of our enemy. >> they are. they are. but also president assad in syria was very much key in helping isis develop and form. he is the one who released dozens of islam militants from his prison in 2011 and some of those are now part of isis. when it comes to the strategy, how do you deal with a movement like this in the region, that is
potentially changing the nature of societies for the foreseeable fut if they are allowed to operate for a very long time, it does require some military action. i think the president is going about it the right way. it is steady, but surely going forward with more aid for the iraqis, more military aid for the per sh mare stmergas. >> kim, thank you for your perspective and appreciate you being here. >> thanks for having me. >> she is talking about we don't see enough fighting isis inside the arab world. these sort of tactics are going to cause that to happen. i talked about szarkari.
he blew up a wedding iraq and arabs said we want no part of. anbar province. this is annihilation. >> they have a lot of money. these are guys rolling in with tanks. you know, we have targets that the united states can strike. these are not guys hiding in caves. they have forces they are rolling through iraqi cities. coming up next on a much different note. pitching sensation mo'ne davis, the 13-year-old fresh off the cover of "sports illustrated" back on the mound last night at the little league world series trying to pitch her squad into the championship game. we will see how she did. plus, alabama football fan and the guy who poisoned the tree, remember him? harvey updike? he is back. we will explain why this may be good news for auburn fans next. we will be right back with more "morning joe." ♪
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that's a live picture right now williamsport, pennsylvania. just a few hours ago, the sensation mo'ne davis was on the bump. more than 30,000 people. it was like 35,000 actually turned out to see her. she is just off the cover of "sports illustrated" at 13 years old leading her philly team against a squad against las vegas. she struck out six batters in 2 1/3 innings and gave you three runs and left the game after 55 pitches on a pitch count. the short start means davis will be eligible to pitch in tonight's elimination game. they lost last night but they get another chance tonight. 8-1 vegas won last night.
vegas advances to the u.s. title game on saturday. if pennsylvania can win tonight against chicago and mo'ne davis pitches tonight and they have a chance to play on saturday for the title. what an incredibly story. >> remember harvey updike. the alabama fan arrested for poisoning a tree. he pleaded guilty to the crime and spent time in jail. now updike make his amends with the auburn community after agreeing to attend a charity event in september where the fans can dunk i'm in a dunk tank or throw pies at his face. the event was meant to raise money for the family of an alabama boy that died of cancer in july. >> i don't know if that is a good idea. we will see how that goes. let's go to big leagues. milwaukee brewers fans standing in the aisle with his hands full and gets his beer knocked over by another guy going after a foul ball.
when the broadcast booth caught wind of what happened, they sent him another round of beers in a fancy souvenir glass. he didn't get the ball but at least he gets a fresh beer and a souvenir glass. that's a huge win for him! >> that is a huge win! daddy is on tv. >> and it's no small beer. >> those things, when you have the girlfriend that the guy, like, dunks away and those are awful. >> never do that. always go for it and try to protect her. >> exactly. >> i always like the guys who are rolling their kids but catch the ball. that's a good one. coming up, bob mcdonnell denies any wrong doing while defending the role money in politics. his day in court is next. plus a bunch of kids re-enact our favorite emmy nominated television shows. what? "morning joe" continues after a short break. [ woman ] the cadillac summer collection is here.
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now house of cards. 49 past the hour. former governor bob mcdonnell
will be back on the witness stand today where he is expected to offer new details about his troubled marriage. the virginia republican testified yesterday in his own defense and he is accused of exchanging favors for tens of thousands of dollars in gifts and loans from a major donor. "the washington post" describes him as cool and unruffled under questioning. he described his rise to the top of virginia politics and the significance of sharing the same office as thomas jefferson. he also cited examples of how he has denied donors requests, insisting he never gave special access to the businessmen who offered loans and vacation and luxury items. mcdonnell testified about his wife saying she was tense from his very first days in office and instead of celebrating the governor, he said she was yelling at him over tension of becoming first lady. just moments later, he fielded a call from president obama, the pressures of his marriage were at the core of his defense.
he says he couldn't have conspired with his wife because their relationship was in such trouble. >> governor, was this difficult? we have heard a lot of things said about your wife and from you today. was this hard for you today? >> of course. i'm talking about marriage and finances are hard. >> governor, if your father were here, what would he tell you? what would his be with you if he was here? >> he would say be honest. >> that is just heart breaking. heart wrenching. >> his attorney was saying as it continues today they are focusing on the marriage itself. i don't know. i'm torn. it's hard to watch from the outside. obviously, he was one of the most promising politicians to become the governor of virginia, his campaign was pretty brilliant actually, given the tone at the times. he got what needed to be done to get elected and address the concerns of virginia residents.
>> it was legal what he took. i just don't understand how any governor could have taken all of those gifts. >> or not known about -- >> gwynagain, legal about it. you look at this testimony and as we say in northwest florida, his wife was a run-away beer truck. she was a mess from day one. >> chuck thoodd brought up this may be the way they are avoiding to attack this. what they want to do is avoid jail time. >> chuck todd can say that all he wants. >> he brought up an interesting -- >> no. there is one witness after another after another talking about her horrible behavior in the governor's mnansion and thee is reams of testimony that suggest that this just isn't a cute planned defense. >> it's raises that larger point about -- you know this --
politicians who spend a lot of people with rich people which they now have to do because rich people have money and they need money to run campaigns. you lose that perspective and suddenly you see everyone around you that you spend your time with has a lot of stuff. >> yeah. >> so it's a natural kind of -- wait a minute, i want that stuff too. >> and they all love you, willie, to do things that will make them millions and millions of more dollars. >> yes. >> i know this. you're living in a shack and these guys -- >> yeah. >> zillionares. >> what a horrible thing to do to save your hide to expose the faults in your maermg to the world and put them out there but they put themselves in that spot. coming up at the top of the hour a new war in iraq? david rotors was once held captive by the taliban. he said new policy needs to be on paying ransoms. >> he was the reporter who escaped from the taliban and
quoted this morning in "the new york times" saying, hey, america and europe is not being straight about this. it's time to have this debate on -- out in the open and i think we are about to and it's great to have david here. >> fascinating to hear from him. he is joining the table. plus senator mark pryor goes with nonnot willing to do. explain the surprise campaign tactic he is using. first, our first frontal ice bucket -- >> where are we going? >> not only am i ready and willing to accept this challenge, i am, to my knowledge, the first to do it absolutely make it. >> hollyweird is coming up straight ahead. we will be right back. ♪ huh, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. everybody knows that. well, did you know words really can hurt you? what...? jesse don't go! jesse...no!
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it never spreads and a clear rejection of this. one thing we can all agree on that a group like isil has no place in the 21st century. welcome back to "morning joe" opinion joining us now on set senior editor of the news website the quarts gideon lidthd field and david rhoades who was held captive by the taliban for seven months before escaping. great news this hour especially the news we have to cover this hour. special operation troops were reported unsuccessfully to rescue james foley and other american hostages in syria this summer. the captives were not at the targeted location and foley was ultimately murdered by islamic militants. officials say one u.s. commando was injured in the mission and several militants were killed. the u.s. refuse to pay ransom
for its citizens held hostage. in a touching news conference, foley's parents spoke of their son and the other american whose life is being threatened. >> jim believed in our country. we're a great country. jim was a great american and he believed in the very best of our country, so i just -- i just pray that, as a country, we can come together and help there be peace on earth. just pray for that. and we pray that somehow steven and the others might be spared. >> it's such a heart breaking moment. it was, i mean, just an extraordinary painful experience. i was reading early this morning about "the new york times" recounting it and, you know, david, obviously, has his own story about being kidnapped and
being in the hands of the taliban. david, you said "the times" quoted you thorge as saying this. the payment of ransoms and abduction of foreigners must be emerge from the shadows and it must be publicly debated. american and european policymakers should be forced to answer for their actions. >> other countries do it. >> and i was stunned reading this article that this is al qaeda's primary source of funding now is capturing westerners and getting ransom. so you say we must be held to account for our actions. what actions are those? >> well, i think that what has happened is -- i think the best tribute to jim foley is to debate this. i talked to the foley family. they were told by jim's captors to not go public because the captors, the kidnappers thought an easier way to get a ransom. i can't at all about all of the cases going on and we need to
have this debate. there is a debate should the u.s. government pay or not. >> what you've seen up close, closer than any american, first of all, should we keep it in the shadows? should we listen to the terrorists and keep it quiet? or do we need to know an american is held hostage? >> i think it refers to case-to-case and you should in the end refer to what the family wants to do. there were plaqueoublackouts an didn't work in our case. the demand for foley was a hundred million dollars and the problem is when the europeans are paying huge amounts of money, there has been 125 million you talked about that has gone to al qaeda, the record would france in 2013 paid $10 million each, 40 million total for four hostages. and -- >> should we pay that ransom? because the market is, obviously, going up. >> yes. i think it's wrong to have the government pay. i think it creates an incentive.
why isn't the united states having this debate with its european allies? why isn't there a joint international approach? >> that is my question. >> for jim foley's sake, let's have a strategy. >> how heart breaking as an american president to sit there, talk to the family and say your son may have to die. i can't pay them. which i thank god i was not in the position that president obama was had in when he had to make that choice but he made the choice. we are not going to pay these terrorists even if your son dies a terrible death. but you would say that the president did the right thing based on what is best for this country and what is best for other journalists in the long run? >> yes. it's a painful situation but the problem is the kidnappers. they create these situations. what they did to jim was absolutely despicable and cowardly. we are helping them by not talking about it, by having no agreement on how do we, you know, reduce kidnappings.
>> so are the french -- i opened this up. gideon, i don't know if you know. do we know? is the french government moving our way after paying 40 million last year or other governments moving our way or are the europeans paying the ransoms? >> the tendency is to increase ram coneso manies. i think david is right there needs to be a discussion in this strategy. it's very, very difficult to change that dynamic because it involves at least for a short term the likelihood people will be kidnapped and killed in horrendous ways and until the kidnappers understand that they are not going to get any more money this way, they will keep on doing it. >> wes, i wasn't really saying it sotongue in cheek. a lot of americans were horrified. where is "the daily news" here?
give it to me really quickly. the optics of this is horrible domestically and i wasn't even saying it tongue in cheek. i think there is probably an isis commander or two that sees this and goes, wow, he is a cold son of a bitch but, you know, the president has made it very clear, this president has made it very clear he's not going to play by their rules. >> i think even before that, i think isis has known, you know, the execution, the usage of drone strikes they have increased dramatically under president obama. >> can i ask you this? you fought over there. there is no way to attach logic to these actions. but why the hell would they do that? they have to know they are putting a target on their back. they have to know how it ended for osama bin laden, for saddam hussein. we are a war weary nangs they
have just forced to confront us and have the president call them a cancer. >> looking at the escalation happening rights now is the situation we are facing. the issue with targeted air strikes and targeted military strikes, period, is that there norm come two things along with those. one, you're dealing with a rational partner a back door and second you only have a force that can then go and fill in where the vacuum is created you will help to create. >> we don't have that in syria or iraq. >> you don't have that in either place. it's interesting how this relates back then to the idea of negotiations. these negotiations and ideas for prisoner swaps have been things that have been long debated within the united states. we recently just had issues where you have u.s. prisoners that were being returned back to the u.s. for prisoner swaps. we are now venturing into new territory is on the monetary piece and this is something i agree. >> international conversation. >> international coordination about the monetary piece because the other piece has been there.
>> let's go to iraq and we are talking to nbc news chief global correspondent bill neely. he were talking about this last hour. things seemed a little more simple in 2003. bad guy running irks, gee take him out of power and set up a stable government. now here in 2014, obviously, everything is shattered. the nation states of syria and iraq have been shattered and find ourselves in a bizarre position of the same thing in assad and iran. where do we go from here? >> reporter: well, i think that is absolutely the big question for the u.s. administration. it said at the beginning that it was launching these air strikes to help to avoid a genocide of their people at the hands of isis. isis has been driven away from erbil but we are continuing the air strikes.
there were another 14 yesterday. they are almost certainly continuing today. there is a sense perhaps of division, even of muddle in the strategy of the united states. for example, it was almost exactly this time last year that hundreds of syrian civilians damascus were almost gassed by the assad regime. president obama promised air strikes if something like that happened. no air strikes happened and he did a deal with assad's main ally. if that was okay why was it not okay on syrian civilians who were gassed in damascus? if president obama bombs isis in iraq, why does he not bomb isis in syria and that would put him in an incredibly uncomfortable alliance with president assad and that is probably policy wise what is stopping any u.s. air
strikes on the syrian side of the border. so this whole thing, as you say, going back to 2003, it's incredibly complex but the u.s. is dipping its toe in the water of the air strikes. the question is strategically it's easy to get involved and it's easy to start this. where do you stop? >> british prime minister david cameron cut his vacation short and has put out a statement about the murder of foley. investigators believe foley's murder was british, which bill, again, raises concerns about terrorists with western passports. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: yeah. just going back to your previous conversation before i answer that, when you say europeans have paid money, the british government, for example, has a long record of never paying ransom money for hostages just like the u.s. government. on your point about western involvement in this, it is reckoned by british intelligence that there may be up to 500
britons who have gone to syria and iraq to fight on behalf of isis. by the way, u.s. intelligence reckons there may be up to a hundred americans. british intelligence, at the moment, are examining that video of the killing of james foley for any clues as to who his killer might be. from his action, he is quite clearly -- >> we lost our connection with bill. is he there? all right. we lost the satellite with bill. >> get him back. >> david, we do need to clarify, using donald rumsfeld terms from three. it's chocolate. great britain has not engaged in those negotiations and taken a very tough stand. >> there was a british hostage decapitated in 2009. german and swiss captors held with him were ransomed and freed. also israeli does prisoner
exchanges. they exchanged a thousand prisoners for one israeli soldier. >> which i always found shocking, gideon, that the israelis would trade one soldier for a thousand palestinian prisoners, some of whom committed the most horrific of acts. >> of course, in israeli, this is every time this happens, it's a huge national debate should they do this or should they not do this. >> right. >> right. >> but, again, it's one of the dynamics once the thing starts the expectation is generated and a culture in israeli you don't leave a soldier in the field. so part of the soldier knowing that being willing to go out and fight is the knowledge they are -- >> is that the argument? >> all politics is local so in all of these countries, the french public expects the government to act and the israeli public says don't leave anyone behind. when barack obama doesn't leave beau bergdahl dined it's a furor
here. that's is so hard getting an agreement because french politicians and german politicians have a different dynamic. they have to act in these cases. >> but i don't understand why. i'm sorry. if it's a stupid question, but what would be the reason to pay large sums of money to a terrorist organization to help further feed -- >> i think a distinction between exchanging prisoners for a soldier and paying ransom money for people -- whether soldiers or civilians. i think there needs to be a separate debate about each of them. >> sure. >> the conditions and reasons for doing them is different. >> we would all agree when you pay money for a terrorist kidnapper and terrorist ransom all you're doing is strengthening the terror outfit and encouraging more. this is like what we were dealing with? sudan. a lot of evangelical groups would pay to get children out of slavery for 30 dollars and a year later they were paying $60
to get them out. then it was a hundred dollars to get them out of slavery. >> i think in the u.s. military there is an expression they say people first and then the military. we will take care of our people but never lose sight of the larger mission. if there comes a situation where any type of scenario will end up hurting the larger mission, we have to remember people first, mission always. >> that is what you go into battle, that is your mindset and if you're captured, you're not expecting the united states to sacrifice the mission for you. you know that when you put on the uniform, right? >> we understand that the united states is going to move heaven and earth to get us out as was indicated because we will not leave a soldier or sailor or airmen or marine behind but as always, it's mission always. >> and you know what you're signing up. >> david and gideon, thank you so much. it's really -- >> thank you for coming in.
we really appreciate it. >> thank you. still ahead on "morning joe," are americans turning their children into narcissistic little monsters? >> yes. we don't have to do the next segment. >> have you been in a grocery store and seen kids yelling at their parents? i feel like going up, what are you doing? have you seen that? kids are screaming at parents. like -- i feel like going up to them, what are you doing? in charge. >> he is the wholefoods disciplinarian. >> no i am not. >> i will say your children are extremely polite. >> i can't even -- you know, knock on wood. >> i have teenagers. there's time. plus, overnight little league sensation and america's sweetheart. more on the great story of mo'ne davis. she is amazing! >> we have heard from his wife and his sister and the key witness jonny williams but now
it's bob mcdonnell's turn. what the former governor of virginia had to say for himself. we go live to the courthouse in richard. >> speaking of our little monster. bill karins with the forecast. >> show the mirrors you have. >> mirrors or mirror? >> plural. we will do it later. what is the weather? one area of interest. florida or the southeast or the gulf you know the time of the year the storms can come at you. right now a tropical disturbance but could develop into a tropical storm or depression over the weekend so we need to pay attention to it and heading into the general vicinity of puerto rico and the dominican republic over the weekend. tuesday to wednesday, i circled this area where i believe the storm is located from near florida to off the coast safely. that is why this will be a close call. some of our computers developed it into a stronger storm and some barely have it a weak storm at all. a lot to watch there. the heat goes, extreme heat continues in the middle of the country. a lot of bad thunderstorms this morning.
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from richmond with more on the trial there. peter? >> reporter: good morning to you. this is certainly the moment that richmond and a lot of this country has been waiting for and right out of the gates when he took the stand, bob mcdonnell began distancing himself from his wife. legal experts here say that what the 71st governor of this state says and, most importantly, whether the jurors believe him will go a long way in determining whether or not he and his wife end up in federal prison facing a crush of cameras bob mcdonnell is taking the stage. defending accusations trade the prestige of his office for personal game in the norm form of lavish gifts and vacations and right hand behind the wheel of a ferrari thanks to businessman jonny williams looking to up his supplements. their marriage was so badly broken, mcdonnell described running on adrenaline the day
elected governor but not his wife. she was yelling about something, he said. it clearly exhibited the stress what lay ahead of her for her new role as first lady. that fight interrupted by a congratulatory call from president obama. the most revealing window yet into the couple's relationship turning to the daughter. one she said was very sweet, very tender. the other very manipulative and very unpredictable and very deceptive. the governor's sister said maureen mcdonnell once texted her before she had to return to what she called that prison mansion. a close adviser to the governor saw the crush of maureen mcdonnell had on williams the businessman. they appeared to be fond of each other, she said. it was kind of flirty. it was very, very, very friendly. as uncomfortable as really asbestos unflattering this testimony is legal experts say
it may be helping the mcdonnell's case and may be difficult to convict either of them if they can convict jurors that maureen mcdonnell was acting without his husband's knowledge in accepting the gifts. she insists she is not a public official and can't be accused of accepting bribes and not expected to testify but her husband will be on the stand today and this should be some of the most dramatic testimony yesterday as bob mcdonnell talks about the frayed relationship with his own wife. >> here with us now to join this considering is mark halpern and thomas roberts is here as well. i'm having a hard time believing this disconnection between this estranged couple, estranged or not, they are married and she lives in the governor's mansion with him. and i don't know how you can blame one person and the other says he doesn't know anything about it. you would think if you had such a problem with a spouse and you were running a state, you'd be
even more tuned in and your staff that threatened to quit on her would be telling you about inappropriate activity and saying, sir, we are concerned. am i missing something? but that's how it would work anywhere. how could he be completely disconnected, mark halpern? >> he is going to be back on the stand today and talk more -- expectation he is going to talk more about the details of his marriage. the governor makes a good point in the sense that this was a businessman who was trying to create jobs so it helped virginia. so just because he was a contributor doesn't mean the guy can't get help. the question is the personal stuff that they got. there does seem to have been a certain amount of compartmentalization between the mcdonnells. there does. >> it's impossible. >> i'm not sure it's impossible because a lot of the testimony -- he is wearing a rolex and sitting in the ferrari. he can't blame that on her. >> he knew there was some interaction but i'm not sure he
knew -- >> and the staff -- >> but it was complicated, thomas, because you have mrs. mcdonnell thinking she is getting involved in a romantic relationship with this vitamin guy, you know? so, obviously, it wasn't that open, you know? >> well, i mean, is the governor okay with that is he thinking let maureen get romantically involved because he will give me a check for my daughter's wedding? >> he is okay with jonnie williams getting involved personally. >> explain the laws of virginia. joe and i had this conversation today and this is the big point. the virginia laws allow a lot of wiggle room, that allow for these type of donations to come in that then make it acceptable for this type of behavior then to go off the rail. peter, explain why, from a legal standpoint, that is why this defense has been so purposely
focused on the marital relationship of the mcdonnell's. >> somebody said in my ear. look at this picture. it was said in my ear by john tower, a lot of chiseled jaws on the screen right now. >> also this dispels the rumor we are not the same person. we get this a lot. so we are two separate people. >> two separate people. okay, that is good to know. brothers from a different mother. >> i'm skeptical here, though. peter alexander? >> so i'm clearly not a legal expert so i can't get into the nuance of this but the significance of the law in this state is exactly what goes at the base of governor mcdonnell's defense here which is what he insists is he did what he says any governor would do which is he was trying to help promote a virginia business. whether or not he was accepting gifts, he was doing what he says any government would do. that is the argument they are make pregnant. the biggest challenge that goes for the credibility of these two and governor mcdonnell who has won multiple elections out of the gates like a good boy scout
spoke directly to the prosecutor and the jurors trying to convince them of his argument and he even had one of his best friends from college at notre dame talking about what a good sort of boy scout he is. but the challenge for them is that he and his wife only a matter of months ago were hand in hand and were all smiles and their public persona for so long the way this state knew them, the way the country knew them. remember, he was considered to be a potential running mate alongside mitt romney was this real team. the idea they weren't talking is something the jurors will be suspect of. >> absolutely. he was an incredible politician for sure and probably still it. joe, break it down. a staff with a situation like that would usually notify the governor, we have a problem with your wife. >> let's brake it down. everybody can speculate all they want. the bottom line is this. the prosecution has to prove, because as thomas said, it's not illegal getting the gifts. they have got to prove intent in his mind that he did something for jonnie williams based on a
rolex watch. we can be offended by the rolex watch and the daughter's wedding and the ferferrari. it doesn't matter. fountain prosecution can connect any one of those gifts for him doing a favor for jonnie williams. maybe the prosecutor can do it. i can tell you as a lawyer, i would much rather have the defense attorney's be job than the prosecutor's job. that is a hell of a high bar to go over illegal. let's move on to arkansas and mark pryor. he is fighting for re-election in the red state of arkansas but not stopping him from touting a yea toyota. >> he did this for obamacare. he is featured with his father referring to the health care law without really mentioning it by name. >> when mark was diagnosed with cancer we thought we might lose him. >> my family and my faith helped me through the rough times.
>> but you know what? mark's insurance companies didn't want to pay for the treatment that ultimately saved his life. >> no one should be fighting an insurance company while you're fighting for your law. that's why i passed a law for prevent insurance company from cancelling your policy if you get sick. >> what do you make of this, joe? >> we were all talking. we were still all talking about the virginia trial. and husbands and wives and how they treat each other in these situations. let's move on, though. >> yes! i think we should! >> senator pryor talking about obamacare. arkansas, louisiana, populace states like that might not be a bad idea. >> mark pryor talking about voting for obamacare. not saying obamacare the affordable care act but talking about popular parts of the law and using his father.
his father is a smoother politician than he is which the ad shows. his father is beloved in the state and why it's significant is democrats are going on offense and if you go state-by-state, race-by-race, most of the democratic incumbents who are targeted are in much stronger position in august than republicans and we thought they would be. pryor is in this defense and going on offense saying thg a popular law in some ways. >> a lot of times things you just kind of get a gut feeling out there. talking to people, putting up anecdotal evidence. wes, i get a feeling as a guy who opposed obamacare, as a guy who would like to see obamacare replaced with something better, more market-driven, more sustainable, i still -- i get the sense the longer this law is in effect, the more acceptance it has with the american people. forget that. you ask americans do you support obamacare, no, i hate it but
they like parts of obamacare. they don't really understand it, but they like parts of it. say, no, i oppose it, but as far as repeal goes, i just am kind of getting the gutted feeling and wonder if you guys are feeling the same way too. the longer this law is in effect the more it becomes part of our social fabric. >> yes. >> the harder it is to paint something with horns that supports it like pryor in arkansas. >> that's right. also i think you hit the nail on the head earlier as well when you said i would like to see it replaced with something better. the problem this election has not been about this is obamacare or the alternative. >> that is the problem. >> it's obamacare or something better and no one knows what it is yet and that is the challenge. >> that is a great point. if they actually had something to replace it with and i'll go back to '94. we could say, we're against the president's health care plan. here are three republican health care plans. i like this republican health care plan but if you like
chafee's health care plan you can go that with and a moderate health care plan that maybe wouldn't be that bad. republicans have nothing. there is such a void out there. they can go, we can introduce it. no. the party hasn't come together. >> obamacare is mitt romney's plan from massachusetts. >> but mitt romney's plan from massachusetts is not -- but it's not -- that is not a traditionally mainstream republican plan. fine. congress doesn't like that. >> paul ryan has a plan but it involves making fundamental changes in medicare and medicaid for future beneficiaries and they don't want to talk about it. >> what i'm saying, though, if they don't like romney care or obamacare, what is your plan? house republicans, you control the purse strings. so what is your plan? this is a debate. they can't whine and complain. i've said this before after the
2012 election. bill kristol and a lot of other conservatives got together at "national review." they had a big talk and said, guys, next two years, we have to stand for something. we have got to come up with an alternative on the health care. we have got to come up with an alternative on immigration. we have got to -- the warning signs were there right after 2012. the house republicans have done nothing. the leadership has done nothing to break through and they can blame the media all they want. get all republicans together in front of a camera and say, we stand for this and we will fight for this and that will break through. they haven't done it. and that is why you're right. >> there have been a lot of reasons why they haven't. >> they are focused on improving relationships they have with hispanic voters and that take hand most of their time. >> there is that. it's a very difficult issue, obviously, or it would have been done a long time ago. >> it's not that difficult. coming up the tragedy of ferguson and finding a way forward. what the death of michael brown has revealed about the united
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♪ 39 past the hour. joining us now to reveal the new cover of "time" magazine times deputy managing editor michael duffy. good to have you back on the show. from kansas city, missouri editor at law for "time" magazine tom draley who wrote the cover ever this "time" magazine. "the tragedy of ferguson." david, talk about the story. how did this happen in middle america? >> well, it happened, sadly, the same way it seems to have happened from time to time all across the country. with we discover too late that a community has completely lost the basic bonds of trust that hold a community together. the lines of communication that allow a police department or a mayor's office to talk to, you know, the people in the streets,
and a trigger event happens, in this case, the tragic killing of michael brown. and people feel like they have no way of expressing themselves, their outrage. they take to the streets. and once that happens, you know, there's no telling what is going to come next. the time to prevent a riot, to stop a riot is before it happens. >> michael duffy here. you have people holding their hands up. we just got some film from tuesday night. >> in st. louis. >> and really disturbing and run this clip equally quickly of an officer threatening civilians, including journalists. >> my hands are up, bro. my hands are up. [ bleep ] >> hands up. hands up. >> raid [ bleep ] [ bleep ] hands up. >> get back. get back. >> you're going to kill him. >> he is threatening to kill
him. >> get back. >> what is your name, sir? [ bleep ]. >> your name is [ bleep ] yourself go [ bleep ] yourself. hello, officer. >> officer, he is trying to kill me. >> what are you doing? >> i know you guys are watching. [ bleep ] he had to be told by another officer to -- >> pointing his gun at people right now for no reason. >> that cop was suspended indefinitely. >> was suspended indefinitely. "the washington post" has an interesting column where if you look at the polls, ferguson actually divides us a lot less than you think. most americans, white and black, horrified by what they are seeing on tv. >> you can't look at this story and not think it's an american tragedy that cuts across all lines. everyone loses in this tale. there are no winners for either the people in the community of ferguson, the family of michael brown, the cop, his life and career probably is, you know, coming to an end. the power structure of st. louis county. the governor. no one has come out of this
looking better. and the country saw the issues of race and criminal justice ripped open and it can only think after so many incidents, after so many occurrences, why can't we get this right? >> i think also, this isn't just a situation of white/black. the person who was just taking that video was not african-american. if you look at the crowds of people that are marching, it's not -- it's not purely african-american audience marching throughout the ferguson. this is a much bigger and broader issue about levels of distrust with law enforcement and how exactly law enforcement is being implemented and it's really hard and it's difficult to watch because all of us know that the vast majority of law enforcement officers are there doing an unbelievably difficult job and doing it under unbelievably difficult circumstances. >> i don't usually bring private conversations in my living room into broader setting, but i was sitting this summer with two other guys who have been friends
for 20 years. well to do. very white. never arrested. no scrapes with the law. and they had about a 20 or 30-minute discussion about police and how it seems like the quality of police officers nationwide is getting worse. they are too taken with their power. and they are like we are republican. we were having this before ferguson. like we were watching the bombing of gaza when we were having this discussion. there is a poll out talking about african-americans, but when rich white guys who have never had a scrape the with the law are talking about a problem with police being too taken with a little bit of power, there seems to be a tear in the social fabric here, michael. >> as david makes clear there are communities that know how to do this and integrate their police into the community day after day in real and one to one ways and communities that just don't do that. this is one of those.
throw into that the question of race and how there is no question that if you're a black male, you are treated by police differently than if you were a white male whether you did anything or not and you have an explosive situation in which we are still dealing with now. some communities know how to do this and there are people who are helping them do it. but not everyone -- >> what about this story will little narcissist? >> it's a different story. >> what are little narcissists? >> a book is written about nauc narcissism and why it's a problem for awful us. we are born crazy. we will all borne crazy selfish little monsters and we we have to learn not to be crazy monsters and selfish. >> in the generation, it just feeds into that, doesn't it? >> i'm guessing it's going to be harder to make the break.
you're supposed to do it in about kindergarten. you're supposed to learn empathy and what i learned in kindergarten really matters? look at me, i want to look at me. what the book says essentially is -- most of us make the break, there are reasons that we don't. >> right. >> and we don't have self-control. >> most of us make the break. >> most of us make it. >> most of us. mika, do you know any narcissists in your life? >> i don't. >> she handed me a book on narcissists and said do you know about this? >> i said no. >> we had a conversation. that was all. it was just me and you talking about the issue of narcissism. we will be looking for the new issue of "time". michael duffy and david von draley, thank you as well. she was the first little league player to make the cover of "sports illustrated" and she makes throwing like a girl a very good thing.
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♪ she is taking the sports world by storm. was she able to strike out the boys and help move her team along? joining us live is katy tur with that story. >> all of a sudden very rainy williamssport, pennsylvania. although the dragons did not win mo'ne pretty v valiantly especially considering she had the on her. last night all eyes were on a 13-year-old girl with a
history-making fastball. from the cover of "sports illustrated" to round-the-clock media coverage, this year's tournament has been all about mo'ne. and if she was nervous before gametime, she didn't show it, warming up and signing autographs like a pro. >> go in calm and confident so that's how i'm going to go into the game. >> reporter: but right off the bat, a run for las vegas and mo'ne's confidence clearly shaken. >> take a breath. >> you can just feel the fight in mo'ne davis. >> reporter: still, she fought through it. she said she came out here to strike boys out, and 34,000 people, including these guys right here, came out here to see her do just that. in two and a half innings, she struck out six. mo'ne is just the 18th girl to play in the little league world
series. back in 1989, nbc featured the first girl to get a hit on this hallowed field, 12-year-old victoria brucker. >> wait for my pitch to come and i just swing. >> reporter: 25 years later, and mo'ne is inspiring a whole new generation. >> girl power. >> reporter: and while the dragons may have lost, a lot of fans feel like they have already won. >> it doesn't matter that they lost, they still played as hard as they could. >> reporter: and not to worry, the dragons and mo'ne davis have another chance to play tonight. they'll face off chicago at 7:30. the winner of that game goes on to play saturday where they'll have to beat las vegas twice because it's a double elimination and that team will move on to the world series on sunday. it's going to be an exciting one. i know you guys will be watching. i'll be here. >> a great story. >> we will. >> katy tur, thank you so much. >> you know, kate is starting to play softball now. >> yes, she is.
>> we were flipping around and they have -- they also have little league world series for softball. >> you can watch it. >> i didn't know that so we were watching it. a lot of fun. >> it's adorable to watch. still ahead, kid actors take on your favorite emmy-nominated tv roles. you're watching "morning joe." >> who's playing you? >> okay. we'll be right back.
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i wish i had more time to see my family. >> the entire world is appalled by the brutal murder of jim foley by the terrorist group isil. a just god would stand for what they did yesterday and a group like isil has no place in the 21st century. >> the u.s. is not stepping down. a now proposal to send up to 300 more u.s. troops there. >> the bigger step, he could take the fight to syria. >> president assad in syria, he's the one who released dozens of islamist militants from his prisons. >> when the west refused to arm syria's moderate rebels, they were outgunned by the militants whose success drew in recruits. >> it may be adding to the
conviction if isis isn't confronted, it may move closer to the yuds. >> look around you when you sit in comfort and ask yourself is this how you want to die. >> attorney general eric holder went to ferguson today. >> many here argue the prosecutor bob mccullouh should be we moved. the lack of trust is one of the reasons attorney general holder came to meet with his investigators. >> last night looked a little better, huh? >> residents still waiting on a grand jury, still eight weeks from a decision. >> there were no molotov cocktails tonight, no fires, no shootings. >> a hope that ferguson may have hit a turning point. >> are people eventually going to go home? yes, that will happen. does that mean that things are solved? no. good morning, everybody. it is thursday, august 21st. welcome to "morning joe." a lot to get to this morning. >> boy, we do. >> we've got on the front page of all the papers, news that there was an attempt to rescue
jim foley. we'll start there. the pentagon confirms that dozens of special operations troops unsuccessfully tried to rescue the journalist, james foley, and other american hostages earlier this summer in syria. the captives were not at the targeted location and foley was ultimately murdered by islamic militants. officials say one u.s. commando was injured in the mission and several militants were killed. >> so people are really angry right now. >> very. >> about not only -- not only about this murder. a lot of people inside the pentagon, snie"the new york tim is reporting very angry this information was released. a lot feeling it was released so the president would look like he is engaged. he obviously is getting hammered for going out golfing right after this horrifying news. "the daily news" has this on the front page. that actually cuts both ways.
but can you imagine -- i mean both of you, if you're president of the united states and like the europeans pay these hostage ransoms all the time. >> they do. >> but barack obama didn't. and america usually doesn't. but what a terrible choice to have to make. >> it is a terrible choice, and other countries do it. president obama is vowing not to let up the campaign against the terrorists responsible for the bloodshed. here he is yesterday. >> jim was taken from us in an act of violence that shocks the conscience of the entire world. no just god would stand for what they did yesterday and what they do every single day. isil has no ideology of any value to human beings. from governments and peoples across the middle east, there has to be a common effort to extract this cancer so that it does not spread. there has to be a clear rejection of these kind of
anilistic ideologies. one thing we can all agree on is that a group like isil has no place in the 21st century. >> so this is the picture that president obama is facing criticism for. after his speech, this is what he did just a short time after his speech. he was seen smiling on the golf course in martha's vineyard, along with former nba star alonzo mourning. the other part of the day yesterday was just heart-wrenching. before this you heard from foley's parents as well in a news conference. so a lot of people are feeling that this picture really shows a president who is disengaged and a president who really doesn't sort of have a sense of tone in terms of the moment. >> there are actually two ways to look at this. you know, your first instinct is to look at this, right? and to say how horrifying. and it's the truth. there's another way to look at it too, which is i mean, you
know, george w. bush told us to go shopping, to go to malls after 9/11. show those terrorists. here i think there are probably one or two terrorists in isis, because this is how they make their money, right? this is al qaeda funded their operations by kidnapping europeans and getting ransom money, right? and so they are negotiating with spock with a pitching wedge here. no, they really are. he is spock. maureen dowd calls him spock. he's spock. and i'm sure there may be one or two terrorists, willie, over in syria looking at him going, wow, that's one cold bastard. like he goes golfing on martha's vineyard. and by the way, people might be watching going are you criticizing the president or not. i don't know what i'm doing. i just know that this is how terrorists fund their organizations. and if the president were in the white house wringing his hands
and weeping, no, he's out golfing. and it's horrible for the parents, but it does send a message to the terrorists. i'm sure barack obama would say, you know, if we can't go golfing at an exclusive golf course at martha's vineyard, then the terrorists have already won. >> all right, i don't think he'd say that. >> i'm not making light of any situation, i'm merely pointing out these are horrible, horrible optics domestically, but internationally, willie, for terrorists, it's basically like screw you. screw you. we're not going to live by your rules. >> yes. >> try to follow that. you know what i'm saying. >> yeah, no, i follow what you're saying. so we know that this president, this white house has no time or patience for what we call optics, theater. i'm doing the job. if i play golf once in a while, so be it. in this case, though, and i always hate the vacation and golf criticism that happens
every summer with every president. we know the president can do his job wherever he is. >> by the way, let's just say right here, presidents are always working. >> right. >> even on a -- whether they're on the golf course or behind the desk, they're always working. >> yes. so that's the first part. and the second part is, but, in this case you had such a horrific act. people saw it and it was on the front page of newspapers and the family was crying. you'd think out of respect just for the family even, forget what the press thinks about it, for the family maybe just take a step back and quietly go about your job. now, he is attacking isis relentlessly. air strikes again yesterday. air strikes this entire month. it's not like he's sitting back and doing nothing. >> and i want to say, i don't want to confuse anybody here, mika, i couldn't have done it. >> right. >> i could not have gone out and played golf. i just couldn't have done it. that said, you know maureen dowd always calls him spock. he's kind of spock.
and in this case, as maddening as that may seem, it may work. i do -- i do wonder, though, when you look at these terrorists, what are they thinking? like they just traded in a war-weary sleeping giant for a pissed-off country. the story always ends the same. wait, let's see. no, it didn't. osama bin laden -- no, wait a second, he got a bullet through his eye. oh, but saddam hussein got -- no. we actually ripped off his head from his body after he was hung. dresdan, hiroshima, nagasaki, i mean they have placed a huge target on their backs by doing this. and i'm serious, when are the bad guys going to understand that it's just better to walk on the other side of the street.
go ahead, pick on europeans, they'll pay you ransom. they're on a vacation from history. and again, i'm not being facetious here. >> no, you're not. >> this is just stupid. >> nothing piques the conscious of war-weary americans than pictures like we saw yesterday all over the front panlz. >> it's horrifying. >> it's horrifying and you can't just sit and let this go by. your sons, your brother, your father, your uncle. >> and, willie, they have exposed themself as the cancer that they are. the president of the united states is now calling them a cancer that has to be cut out. >> and everyone will agree. >> and the attacks now will only accelerate from the united states and they already have as of yesterday. let's go to washington now. bbc state department correspondent is just back from lebanon. kim, thanks for being with us. >> great to be here. >> what more can you tell us about what happened, looking at the commando raid, the attempted anyway by special forces of the united states to go after and rescue jim foley, a failed
attempt because he had been moved by the time the special forces got there? >> reporter: well, first of all, i'd like to point out that we are marking today the one-year anniversary of the chemical weapon attacks against syrians just outside damascus. that provoked a brief moment of international outrage at the time, which almost led to american and european military strikes against syria, which in the end did not happen. and syria one year on is in an even worse place. we heard from the french president yesterday saying that if the international community had shown a bit more resolve in pushing for a transition in syria, in other words, if the u.s. and its european allies had gone for strikes, perhaps isis would not be where it is today. >> so, kim, can i ask you about that because there's a debate obviously going on in the united states between two pretty powerful democrats, hillary clinton saying that she called
for it earlier and barack obama saying that it's, quote, fantasy, her position and the president of france's position. what is the feeling throughout the international community, throughout the european community about what would have happened. are they on the other side of the president and intervening in syria before this madness took over the entire country? >> reporter: my reading from talking to european officials and from being in the arab world is that there is very much a sense that the u.s. left a vacuum in the region, which was filled by jihadis, by hezbollah, by iran, by russia. that's very much hillary clinton's view as well. it's debatable, of course. but looking at the situation on the ground at the moment, that is very much the feeling that europeans have. and i do believe that because of what's happening in iraq, because of what we saw happen to james foley and because of this attempt to rescue american hostages in syria, i do think
it's only a matter of time before the president will have to consider the possibility of strikes against islamic militants in syria. the conundrum there is inadvertently he may shoire up president assad. let's go to iraq now. joining us from erbil, nbc chief global correspondent bill neely with the latest on the ground there. bill? >> reporter: yes. well, the u.s. air strikes have not stopped since the murder of jim foley. there were at least 14 yesterday, bringing to 84 the total number of air strikes in the mosul dam area in particular since this campaign started. as you've heard, the big question is where does this campaign end? what are its goals? initially it was to stop a genocide against the yazidis, the religious minority and also
to protect u.s. facilities here in erbil. the isis advance on erbil appears to have been stopped so why is the u.s. continuing its campaign? president obama said yesterday that we will act, we will confront isis, but for how much longer and how deep is the involvement of the u.s. here in northern iraq going to be? it's easy to start a campaign, not so easy to end it. interestingly, this military operation, unlike so many others in the past, desert storm, desert fox, does not have a name. there is no brand on this operation and no end in sight. >> that is the question, what is the objective now. how far does the united states go. nbc's bill neely on the ground in iraq. bill, thanks for your reporting. we appreciate it. in other news, officials are hopeful the tide is turning in ferguson, missouri, following the second straight night of reduced demonstration. it follows a visit by attorney general eric holder who met with captain ron johnson, along with college students and community
leaders. he said he understands why there's mistrust of police, recalling when he was stopped twice for speeding and had his car searched. attorney general holder rejected criticism of his trip to ferguson. >> i need to be here, you know. i'm a little disturbed to see people questioning why i was here. my answer to that would be why would i be any other place other than right here right now to talk to the people in this area who are deserving of our attention and we want to help as best we can. >> meanwhile, prosecutors began presenting evidence to a grand jury which will determine whether the officer that shot michael brown at least six times should be charged. joining us now from ferguson, nbc's craig melvin. craig, the reports from the ground last night, relative peace. is that what you saw? >> reporter: willie geist, for the second straight night, peaceful, it was calm. just to give you some perspective here, monday into tuesday, nearly 70 arrests. tuesday into wednesday, more than 50 arrests.
last night here, as of 1:00 a.m. there were six arrests. by and large those half dozen folks were arrested for failure to disperse, disturbing the peace. captain johnson indicated that law enforcement felt like the tide might be beginning to turn here in ferguson. we should note that there were some pretty severe thunderstorms at one point last night, but even before that, we saw the smallest, quietest crowd of protesters that we've seen so far on the ground here. of course the highlight or the headline yesterday, i should say, attorney general eric holder on the ground for several hours meeting with community leaders, meeting with captain johnson as well. also spent some time with the congressional delegation, talked to missouri governor jay nixon as well. and in addition to speaking from the heart about his own experiences as a young black man in america, he also -- we should remember here this is the same
attorney general who just last week was somewhat critical of the response here in ferguson. at one point saying they should get these damn tanks out of here. but again, based on what i saw yesterday, based on the folks i talked to last night, it appears, it appears that right now peace and order are about to be restored to ferguson. >> we can hope. craig, thank you very much. >> i love that line that eric holder gave, which is, you know, people are criticizing for being there. where else would i be? i don't always agree with this guy, but he's right. where else would he be, right? >> i want to show you a piece of video that came -- it's from tuesday night. local police officer threatening what appeared to be a peaceful protester on the streets. >> oh, my god. gun raised, gun raised, gun raised and pointed. >> my hands are up, bro. my hands are up.
>> get back, get back. >> you're going to kill him? >> he's trying to kill me? >> what's your name, sir? go [ bleep ] yourself, all right? hello, officer, go [ bleep ] yourself. >> office, go [ bleep ] yourself, he's trying to kill me. >> i hope you guys are watching this. he had to be told by another officer not to point the gun. >> what in the hell -- >> the st. louis county police department says the officer has been relieved of duty. >> what in the hell? >> so i would say that there's been a lot of discussion about the imbalance along the police forces there. i think this was st. louis. also just how poorly trained these guys are and the situation they're in. it's a bad mix. i'm making no excuses for that guy. that was horrendous. but my god, it does show they are totally unmatched to today's times. >> totally, willie, unmatched.
and it's not like -- >> there's cameras clearly there. >> it's not like this hasn't been going on and this guy is pointing a live weapon in the -- what's going on here? >> he's being goaded, yes. >> you'd think two weeks into this, the learning curve would be such that you're not waving a semiautomatic weapon at a crowd with media all around. you shouldn't do it anyway, but with cameras all over the place. >> there are just -- it is -- >> the media is there and this guy is in the middle of it pointing -- >> well, you know, i just saw -- i looked at the video earlier and obviously someone was raising camera video but then a television camera crossed and this guy was clearly knowledgeable that he was being videotaped, so at least you would think he would stop for fear of being seen doing that, that he shouldn't be doing that. >> he says he thought he saw somebody with a gun so he raised his weapon. he thought he was being confronted. turned out it was a bb gun.
so he saw something he thought was a gun and the police say they relieved him because of the way he treated the crowd and the language he used, not in the approach that he used. >> i would agree with that. i mean if a crowd is dpogoading you, that's going to incite you even more. it's incredible. still ahead, a trip to hollyweird where will offerman lists his comments and shower thoughts. plus arming cops and mill tarrizing our cities. >> dude, super armor, dude. >> he doesn't want anybody to see him in there. >> dude, you can't even see him. >> unless you live in downtown kab kabul, there is no practical need for anything like that in your town. >> how one comedian was able to torpedo an armored tank in a michigan town. but first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill. >> my best effort to torpedo the show, you're supposed to say, mika. chicago o'hare airport one of the few with delays right now.
thunderstorms widespread. you can almost draw a line from minneapolis all the way down to chicago. so right now we're holding at about 45-minute delays with thunderstorms in the area. i think those delays will build as we go. on the radar you can see why. here is the chicago area, all the little white flashes on there, those are lightning strikes. this is our live lightning tracker on top of the radar imagery. there's a batch of pretty strong thunderstorms between dekalb and chicago. that's going right over o'hare shortly. that's why we'll build those delays. we have thunderstorms to the north of the huge heat dome and the hot temperatures continue. yesterday was 100 degrees from texas, upper 90s all the way to florida. look at the forecast in memphis, tennessee. 97 to 98 five days in a row and it easily goes into next week and almost to labor day. so we're in a new weather pattern where it's hot in the southern half of the country in the southeast and cooler in the west. the one exception is the northeast. boston, new york city area, you're not going to get this intense heat like the rest of the southern half of the country is. you're watching "morning joe."
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all right, let's take a look at the morning papers now, shall we? "the atlanta journal constitution," nbc has learned a u.s. doctor who contracted the ebola virus in west africa will be released today. dr. kent brantly was part of a
christian aid organization working with affected patients when he became sick. he was transferred to emory university hospital earlier this month. brantly is expected to make a statement at a news conference at 11:00 a.m. eastern time this morning. emory officials will also give an update on nancy writebol. >> boy, that's great news. we certainly are thankful for that. >> yep. and "usa today" videos captured an amazing moment when a huge fish actually turned the tables and ate a shark in florida. here in the clip. fisherman is reeling in a four-foot long shark. all of a sudden a giant grouper sneaks up. >> oh, my goodness. >> look at that! that's something you don't see often, and devours the shark. a grouper actually eating a shark. i -- okay. so does this mean that next year we're going to have grouper week on animal planet?
>> i think, and groupnado. >> look at the size of that thing. "the houston chronicle," police uncovered more than a million dollars of weed after busting two illegal fields outside of houston, texas. >> you can almost smell it from here. >> the marijuana plants were cut down and removed from the area via a helicopter. officials say the fields covered about five acres behind a prison. the suspected growers ran off into the woods and remain at large. >> a lot of sad stoners watching that weed carried by helicopter out of there. >> come on, move on. >> they're going to move it somewhere. >> this is like cute news you can't use. >> so this from the "san diego union tribune." meet these two unlikely pals. a cheetah cub and a puppy named reyna. the cheetah was rejected by his mother, so when he was just a few weeks old, the san diego zoo safari park paired him up with a friend to help acclimate him to
life at the park and then released this video showcasing play time. >> that's not going to last forever. >> i saw "born free." i know how it ends. first he was indicted, then he had his mug shot taken, then he had some ice cream and now he's delivering a major speech in washington. >> you go, rick perry. >> an exclusive first look at what governor rick perry will be saying today. plus, has target regained the trust of shoppers following last year's massive security breach? "morning joe" will be right back.
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oh, my god. >> do you remember that cartoon ziggy? i cut it out and put it up in my office. do you remember ziggy? everybody remember him? you don't, you're too young. he's lying on the coach and the psychiatrist said, no, ziggy, the whole world is not against you, over 4 billion people don't even know that you exist. so in "time" magazine, meacham, there's a little poll you can take. >> a poll? >> test. >> a test, to see if you're a
narcissist. >> mika had me take it and i passed. >> i had joe take it. >> how did i do? >> the top score -- or the average score, here we go. average score is a 4. >> now, okay, so the average score is a 4. what do you think i got on it, jon? >> 1.5. >> close. i got a 9. >> i was so close. >> which you know what that means, i'm twice as great as everybody else. >> i thought that's what it meant. i think it's important to tell yourself that. >> i'm kidding, i'm kidding. t.j., they know i'm kidding. >> the test is hysterical. i could have answered every question for you. >> i did get a 9, though. he is -- >> that's the first time i've ever been ahead of the curve on like any test. >> it's fantastic. >> i remember one time, speaking of ratings, i went to a town hall meeting and i got a 50% from some -- i think it was
league of conservation voters, something like that. i got a 50%. and they were all there and gave me a standing ovation because for a republican i was seen as being very green. i stood after that and said thank you so much. this is the first time since eighth grade math that i actually was applauded for getting a 50. isn't that something? if the bar is set lower -- >> somehow there's a tie here. today governor rick perry is set to come out swinging in a speech, targeting president obama's policies. let's bring in chief white house correspondent for politico, mike allen. mike, you have an exclusive first look at his speech. what is he going to be saying? >> well, good morning, mika. i'm starting to wonder if some other candidates should get indicted ever since governor perry was indicted. he has a spring in his step, the sass is back, he's sounding more confident. we saw the ice cream stop yesterday. so today he's going to be in d.c. he's going to stop by the
chinese ambassador, the japanese envoy ahead of his asia trip next week. and he's giving a speak at heritage where he's very tough on the president. and he basically predicts an attack on the u.s. by the islamic state. he says that president obama is going to be a victim of mission creep by isis. he says they're going to start to deliver on threats that they have made and maybe it's a hijacker with passports coming in, maybe it's someone who slips across the border. here's the money line, rick perry will say today what rational observer doubts that such an attack is part of the plan? he's also going to talk about borders and he's going to say that chaos is not a condition for fixing immigration. he said for someone who wants to talk about comprehensive immigration reform, i say to them, let's first talk about comprehensive immigration enforcement.
>> mike allen, thank you. to his point, rick perry wears an indictment well, i guess. >> he really does. >> enjoying every moment. >> he looks good, right? i'm asking, a great-looking guy. you've got competition right there. >> obviously this is a gift from the democrats to a person that is potentially running for president. >> i actually think it is. >> because of the swagger that he has come out with and the people cheering him on and saying this is ridiculous. and certain people that have come out on the left saying that this smells. >> like sarah palin's complaints, but real. >> "the new york times" editorial page coming out in favor of rick perry. that doesn't happen often. let's go to "business before the bell." joining us now brian sullivan with the latest. brian, start with the fed. >> okay. so yesterday we had the fed minutes, that's basically their 20-page summation of the previous meeting. nobody cares except when they talk about raising interest rates. yesterday we got some clues that
more members of the fed, there are ten voting members, want to raise interest rates sooner than expected. >> really, why is that? >> well, the economy has gotten better, joe. we've talked about this. i've been more bullish on the economy for a number of years but now we're starting to see the jobs numbers get better. that's key. the fed really has two mandates, one of which, probably the biggest of them, is to maximize employment. so that's a positive. janet yellen speaks tomorrow, kind of a super bowl for us in business news. if she gives hints that interest rates could go up -- >> let me just say to you in business news, i'm sorry. that's your super bowl, really? >> i think it's cool. >> thank you, mika. >> what's cool about it? janet yellen talking about what? >> she's awesome. >> i'm going to be on that couch with ziggy if this keeps up. that's the way it works. >> so the economy heats up a little bit, they raise interest rates. doesn't that slow down the economy and is the market going to go down today because of it? >> no. that's the thing. that's the good news.
we're five points away from our all-time high on the s&p 500. i personally believe the economy can withstand some interest rate hikes. remember, we're still incredibly low. it's not like we're going back to the '80s where your parents probably paid 17% for a mortgage. mortgage rates are about 4% if you can get the credit. so the markets have done pretty well. even in the face of this, guys -- >> so mika has a question. i'm sorry to cut you off but we're going to talk about a french store and mika wants to have the conversation. mika, your favorite french store. >> target. >> some big problems. >> they had some big problems, but there's good news here. remember the huge data breach last year at target? guess what, most of the shoppers have come back. they lost a bunch of shoppers. the ceo out saying many of the shoppers, most of them have indeed come back. perhaps a restoration of -- not restoration hardware, a restoration of trust at target. so mika, next time we can do the interview in french.
[ speaking french ] >> i'm getting really uncomfortable. is his french as bad as your father's? >> oh, no, my dad is the worst and he thinks it's really good. oh, my god. >> brian sullivan, thank you so much. appreciate it, brian. get back on that couch. still ahead, this is the mine restraint resistant ambush proof vehicle which michigan had in their arsenal. >> yes. >> for saginaw. the reason why they're getting rid of it now? well, "morning joe" will tell you and it has to do with a comedian. >> oh, good god.
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ask your doctor about cialis for daily use and a 30-tablet free trial. if you're wondering what it feels like to have a mine-resistant vehicle on the streets of your town, i give you a youtube video of two dudes from saginaw, michigan. >> holy [ bleep ], dude. >> super armor, dude. >> he doesn't want anybody to
see him in there. >> dude, you can't even see him. that's crazy! >> saginaw colony sheriff, dude. that looks cool, dude. look how big these tires are. it's taller than -- dude. >> it's awesome! >> now, to be fair, to be fair, that is exactly how they reacted when chipotle first opened there. >> that was john oliver on sunday, mocking america's heightened militarizatiomilitar. the next day -- >> the next day, mika. >> the next day, that it's decided to give back that mine-resistant vehicle. the sheriff claims the decision was in the works for a while saying it was expensive to maintain and they didn't use it, so why keep it around. that's a good question. >> there were people that fought in iraq in '03 that said the cops in ferguson had better gear
than they had the first time. >> stop it. >> no, they did. the first time they went into iraq. >> that's exactly right. >> is it true? >> and people completely underestimate the costs that it takes to take these things on. when you have cities who are scrapping everything, you know, cutting, making every cut across the board. but we have mraps that are readily deployed in case something happens. >> hardware or pensions? one of the two. >> hardware that you don't use. >> okay. so joining us now from ferguson, missouri, "washington post" reporter radially balance could. he's the author of "rise of the warrior cop" now out in paperback. >> that seems timely. >> very timely. >> we've talked about this before. just how expansive has this become in middle america? >> well, it's been everywhere, not just middle america. this pentagon program that's been giving this stuff away since the early 1980s, it's been
going to police departments all across the country. you've got the department of homeland security that's been giving out grants to buy new military-grade equipment and so you've got, you know, tiny towns across the country that are getting these mine-resistant ambush protected vehicles that were designed for use in war in iraq and afghanistan that are now being used on main street. so the question of the gear itself and whether that's appropriate for policing, but there's also the question of the mindset that you sort of instill in police officers when you dress them in camouflage and give them military-grade weapons and military-grade vehicles and whether that's appropriate in domestic policing. i argue that it isn't. >> and of course s.w.a.t. teams, he writes about s.w.a.t. teams. not for hostage raids, but for routine busts. >> well, it seems pretty intense. radley, i want to ask you, though, because we do live in a post-9/11 america and we can understand where homeland
security is coming in trying to shore up where maybe some of our more vulnerable spots are around the country and having these types of equipment places already strategically mapped out around the country. so what would you say to people that in certain towns would say it's okay, i just don't want to know about it, i don't want to see it, but it's okay if we have access to it when we do? >> sure. a couple of responses to that. first, when they have it, they want to use it. when you have this kind of gear, it can be sort of expensive to maintain. and so they -- what they end up doing is end up using it for more routine policing like serving drug warrants. when you make a drug arrest, there are federal grants attached to that. there's also asset forfeiture policy. so this equipment is expensive to maintain. when you use it for drug policing, for example, you can actually start generating revenue for your police department. so these strong incentives to use it once you have it. the other thing is that this
equipment is not going to necessarily sensitive targets, it's going to the police departments that are best at manipulating the system. so places like fargo, north dakota, and wisconsin, tuscaloosa, alabama, are getting this stuff. these aren't places that are likely to come to al qaeda or isis any time soon. >> wes. >> so what are the chances of actually have a much bigger, broader conversation about being able to properly identify where you have these resources and where you have a need? one thing we are going to see with this massive redeployment of soldiers overseas is that you will have a lot of machinery that something has to be done with it. is there a bigger, broader conversation about where that machinery can be placed most effectively? >> there is, and i think we need to have that conversation. but i don't think we should just assume that because it's bulletproof and because it shoots things that it's appropriate for domestic policing. you know, this stuff was designed for use on a battlefield. it was designed to annihilate a foreign enemy. a soldier's job is to kill
people and break things. it's to defeat the enemy. that's not what police do. the job of police officers is to protect our rights, to keep the peace, to protect and serve, the famous motto. these are two very, very different missions. we shouldn't assume that the equipment that's appropriate for one of those jobs is necessarily appropriate for the other. >> all right, radially balan ra thank you very, very much. up next, sofia vergara finds love in the form of a distant celeb admirer. and a "game of thrones" star who takes method acting to the next level. >> he looks very happy. >> we're going back to hollyweird. what would happen... if energy could come from anything? or if power could go anywhere?
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>> all right. all right. appreciate your time tonight here on the ed show. good luck to buffalo. and that is the ed show. politics nation with reverend al sharpton right now. >> good evening. and thanks to you for tuning in. breaking news tonight, president obama's historic move to correct a national injustice. tomorrow night, he'll announce his plan to fix america's broken immigration system. moving past years of gop gridlock to help up to 5 million immigrants stay in this country and pursue the american dream. he teased the announcement today on facebook. >> everybody agrees our immigration system is broken. unfortunately, washington has allowed the problem to fester for too long. what i'm going to be laying out is the things i can do with my
lawful authority as president to make the system work better. >> our system is broken. and the president is moving forward because house republicans have refused to act. the senate passed an immigration bill last summer. 14 republicans voted for it. when it went to the house, speaker boehner ignored it. it has been 510 days now, 510 days that house republicans have refused to vote on the senate bill. or pass one of their own is what the president has asked for over and over again. >> i am always interested in negotiating a legislative solution of the immigration problem. pass a bill i can sign on this issue. >> the minute they pass a bill that addresses the problems with immigration reform, i will sign it. >> if they don't like his plan, they could pass a bill.
but what are we hearing instead? speaker boehner spokesperson says quote, if emperor obama ignores the american people and announces an amnesty plan, he will september his legacy of lawlessness. but name calling won't fix our immigration system. until speaker boehner and his colleagues start doing real work, the president is moving forward. joining me now, loretta sanchez and jonathan cape hart of the "washington post." thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> congresswoman, how do you feel about the president's announcement? how do you feel ahead of it? >> reporter: i'm elated the president is finally making some movement on this broken immigration system. he came in six years ago.
he knew this was a problem. i've been in the congress 18 years. we've been trying to get something. we've been trying to make it know. the senate passed this 510 days ago. and yet the house republicans have refused to allow us a vote on any kind of reform, comprehensive immigration reform that we need. we've been asking the president, give us some relief. help these families who are being torn apart. american values system. the american value system says keep your families together. keep your mom with the kids. keep them together. and what we've been doing is tearing communities apart. so i'm elated that the president has finally stood up and said, do you know what? if the republicans won't do something, i will. >> jonathan, how big a moment is this in the obama presidency? >> reporter: it is a big moment. you know, when you lnl to the republican critics of the president, they make a good
point. why didn't the president do this when the democrats controlled both houses of congress during the first two years of his first term. and the problem with that is, the president decided to push health care first because washington can't handle two big ideas at the same time. it's a big deal because the president promised the immigrant communities and activists that he would take executive action if the congress didn't move legislatively. he said so from the rose garden back in june and said at the end of the summer and then he went back on that promise and said by the end of the year, after the mid-term elections. listening to democrats saying please don't can this, please don't take executive action before the mid-term elections to help save some democratic seats, that didn't happen. the democrats still lost and lost by a lot. so now the president is looking to fulfill his promise but also to take some action. the other thing we have to keep in mine here, this is a big
deal. primarily because it is a temporary action. all executive orders are temporary. what the president will announce is temporary. the only way to make what happens tomorrow permanent or to bring any kind of permanency to the undocumented immigrants in this country right now is for congress to do something. for congress to pass a bill. >> congresswoman, you know our new nbc poll shows the american people are conflicted on this issue. 48% disapprove of the president's executive action. 57% support a path to citizenship. nbc's democratic post has said, the public wants this policy. that doesn't mean they'll be happy with how it might get done. how does the president explain why his action is necessary, congresswoman? >> the president has worked the congress. he's worked with the republicans. i think he's bent over backwards to try to get an immigration
reform bill done. it is pretty apparent that we haven't gotten it done. the republicans in particular in the house have just refused to bray bill up for a vote. so now the president is saying, you know, i am going to act -- the american people have to understand. what is the president likely to do? what are we hearing he is going to do? what he is saying is, if there are families in america and there is a u.s.-born child, for example, or a resident child in the family, or in the family, in the immediate family. then those who don't have documents are going to get to stay with the child in the family, in the family unit, and they're going to get work payments so they can work. work permits. it will allow them to work and it will allow them not to look over their shoulder each and every day to see if they'll be snapped up and deported out of this country. and then these children, who are american citizens, be left behind without their mom or
their dad or somebody to help them. that's all. it's not a huge thing. it's not like we're letting every person who doesn't have documents in this country in. we're talking about keeping families together. >> now right on that point, i want to you stay with me, congresswoman sanchez, and you too, jonathan. we have to remember the president's action is about helping real people. people like this woman, she's an albanian immigrant whose story was featured in a recent documentary. the dream is now. >> she was released after ten hours in the detention central. her attorney said there was a possibility she could stay in the country but her mother would have to leave. >> there is no way we're doing that. >> she decided to go public with her story. >> it's not about you anymore. you're doing them an injustice if you keep quiet about it. >> one week before her high
school graduation, ola was granted a temporary stay. >> i have a chance to graduate. a chance to be a doctor. there is no better feeling than that. >> let's bring in ola. what do you hope to hear from the president tomorrow night? >> i think ideally, i can't speak on behalf of everyone in our community. but we would like to see 11 million people included in this executive action. >> you would like to see 11 million? >> yes. >> and explain to someone out there that is on the fence, that don't know where they are, why this is so important to you. you're not a congresswoman like congresswoman sanchez. you're not a journalist like
jonathan capehart. you are a young woman and we just showed you this story. tell me the human side. forget washington politics. what does this mean to you and 11 million other people? >> well, quite frankly, congress has failed to act for six years. congress has failed to do their jobs and act on immigration and create a stable and essentially a common sense reform for 11 million people in this country. and so the executive action could provide stability for hopefully everyone in our community to stop having to fear deportations and being separated from their families and not having any certainty about their future and what's to come. so -- >> what are your dreams? what are you hoping to do in america? >> i am hoping to become a doctor and i have parents that have raised me in this country and have raised me to believe in the american dream and everything that this country has to offer. and i would love to see them have the stability and have opportunities to grow in this country as i have had the opportunities to do so. and executive action could
provide. that not only for my parents but our entire community. >> isn't that what this is really all about? >> yeah. for folks who focus on the politics of all this, it might seem, everyone focuses on the cold political congratulations. what is driving the white house, what's driving the president in particular, are people like ola, people like eric and others who we've gotten to know. especially over the last summer who are fighting to keep their families together. who are fighting for themselves and others to be able to come out of the shadows. to no longer be undocumented and to be fully part of the american story and the american dream. the one thing we have to keep in mind. the president will announce today won't be the 11 million that ola hopes he will announce. it will probably affect about 5 million people. what the president will announce is something that is temporary. unless congress stems forward
and does something on immigration reform, all of these families, the 11 million families, the 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country will still be in jeopardy. >> today there was an om ed title, obama is not a monarch. emthe senate shouldn't confirm a single nominee. executive or judicial. outside of vital positions. and congress should use the power of the purse to strip the authority from the president to grant amnesty. translation, government shutdown. isn't that going to back fire on the gop? >> i believe so. i've been talking to some of my more moderate republican friends here in the house of representatives and they are scared to death of a government shutdown. thenlds that ted cruz drove the shutdown. and that he is, will not blink
an eye to shut down the government. he is leak a little kid throwing a tantrum. this is what this guy does. he talks some guys over here into doing the same thing. and you know, that is what the american people do not want. they want their government to function. they want us to work together. the president has worked and worked and worked at this. and these guys have refused to vote in this house of representatives. so if they're not going to come along and help us to help families, working families, families who are decent families, deacons in churches, pta moms, families who volunteer in hospitals. then the president will sign it and go alone at it. and he should. >> let me go back to ola before we run out of time. what do you say to people that say you are not an american. you shouldn't be here.
>> well, this country was built on immigrants. it was built on the foundation that if you come here, you work hard, you can earn your place here. so quite frankly, i think that their thoughts are really incongruent to the american ideals and the foundation this country has been built upon. >> well, let me say, i look forward to one day calling you doctor. >> congresswoman, thank you. loretta sanchez, thank you congresswoman sanchez, thank you, jonathan capehart, and thank you to be, ola. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you. straight ahead, more on the breaking news. and a roar from the right. republicans are losing their minds over the coming executive action. plus, a record breaking snow emergency in buffalo. the city is buried in six feet of snow. and more is on the way.
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david wrote, time to stop breaking up families. gloria posted, it's time, he's doing the right thing. gary said, time to list all the presidents that have done this in both parties. great point. that's not stopping many on the right from attacking today. more on that coming up. but first, please keep the conversation going on facebook
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president obama to announce his executive action on immigration. the president's plan will save 5 million people in this country from being deported. some republicans don't care about that. they just want to use executive action as a new way to attack the president. >> i think the outrage will be so great that that will support
our efforts to defund the executive order amnesty and not give the money to execute it. >> we know there is the word. >> there are as the piece mentioned, spending measures, the president can be censured, he can be sued by the congress. >> i think there will be lawsuits filed. >> you do? >> oh, yeah. >> i think that's a whole lot of derangement right there. so let's go through it again. they're threatening on defund to shutdown the government. impeach the president, censure the president and sue him all for doing his job. this has nothing to do with whether the president is overstepping his authority and everything to do with republicans playing politics with millions of people's lives. joining me now, congresswoman, democrat for illinois. thank you for being here. >> my pleasure.
>> congresswoman, are these gop threats all real or is it just some bluster and bluffing? >> you know, the thing that's so crazy about it, is that it is at their peril that they would do any of those things and completely ignore the issue, as you said, of 5 million law abiding people who simply want to be in this country, pay taxes. they would have to go through a criminal back ground check. would it add to our economy. be good for all of us. they would rather talk about how they will punish the president? it has been over 500 days since the senate passed an, a comprehensive immigration reform with 67 votes. what is senator mccain thinking? why doesn't he go and talk to senator bainer? stop talking about shutdowns and suing.
others are talking about impeachment. it is not helpful to the republicans to do that. >> you know, congresswoman, speaker boehner has promised repeatedly to reform immigration. in 2012, he said, quote, a comprehensive approach is well overdue. in 2013 em, is immigration reform dead? absolutely not. in 2014, he promised. congress could take this issue up next year. now republicans are saying, they'll do it next year. honest. who would believe them. >> no one would believe it. look. we are now in the 2016 election cycle. if the republicans ever hope to be having a president of the united states, they can just throw those hopes away if they do not act right on immigration reform. and by the way, i don't know if you talked about this but every president for the last 50 years
has done through executive order, some kind of immigration reform. george h.w. bush, 1.5 million immigrants were made legal. that was about 40% of the immigrants in the united states at that time who were not legal. he made them legal. so this is not a new policy. for them to not act, they'll be hurt by that. >> you know, republicans claim the president is overstepping his powers by signing the executive action. but they forget, two other presidents that use executive orders on immigration before as you just stated. ronald reagan in '87, and george h.w. bush who you just cited, in 1990. used executive action to protect undocumented immigrants from deportation. the hypocrisy that you raised here, and adding reagan to it,
it shows how glaring this is in terms. just political posturing. and looking at people as collateral damage. >> you know, they have already threatened to sue the president over the affordable care act. and did you know that two lawyers have already stepped away and said that there's nothing there? and yet john boehner is talking at expanding that lawsuit that they haven't filed. to now immigration. i mean, this is just so petty. they refuse to deal with the real issue that is on the table. and how this is going to then business community. how this is going to help our economy. how it's going on help families. don't they know? in my district, i have had little children hanging on to their parents' legs and crying in fear that they're going to be deported. why do that? it's not good for anybody. >> thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you so much. >> be sure to wax the
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republicans are trying to distract us from really matters. they're hoping we lose focus because the country wants economic fairness. new numbers from the nbc "wall street journal" shows 65% support congress raising the minimum wage. 75% support increased public spending on roads and highways for job creation. and 82% want congress to find ways to lower the student loans. so this is the reality. no matter what they're talking about in the right, and in their
right wing bubble, americans favor progressive agenda of fairness. and today, a champion for that agenda, senator elizabeth warren was back out making the case for change. >> one thing has not changed. the stock market and gdp continue to go up. while families across this country are getting squeezed harder and harder. if we want our kids to start a life without carrying a thousand pound rock of debt on their backs, then we must make sure that education is affordable. the american dream is slipping out of reach. this cannot be the legacy we leave for our children and for our grandchildren. we must fight back with everything we have. the game is rigged but we know how to fix it. we know what to do.
>> and at the very same time elizabeth warren was talking about fairness, gop stars gathered at the republican governor's association meeting where they did everything they could to distract us from what matters. >> this president's failed leftist approach, it is the government growing bigger, stronger, not trusting us to buy our own health insurance. >> president talked years ago about the audacity of hope. >> that his job description over the last six years, when he was asked, what do you do? he said i go to the office. i sue obama and i go home. >> the gop is trying to distract us so people will lose focus. we can't let it happen. joining me now, susan milligan. thank you for joining us. >> great to be here. >> at what point will the republicans talk about minimum wage and infrastructure instead of distractions like lawsuits
and shutdowns? >> i think they'll start talking about it when they realize it won't work for them in 2016. look, the american people have a funny way of figuring out what to focus on. and what is happening, and i think it is really going to hit a peak in 2016, is this frustration and anger over the fact, while we've come out of this recession and the economy is technically going well, the wages have stagnated and people are getting pretty frustrated. you played that clip from elizabeth warren. i think she will play a huge role in 2016. not as a candidate but someone who articulates this message for the democratic party. the democrats kind of ran away from this in the mid-term election. somewhat understandably given the madison and it didn't work out for them. i think that will be a very important message in 2016. >> let's look at the polling again. americans favor progressive ideas on the minimum wage infrastructure student loans. do democrats like senator warren sense they need to do a better job pushing their message on
these issues? >> well, i think she does. and it is that she's been saying that for some time. you look at the mid materials. there was a minimum wage increase on the ballots in five states. all five voted yes is that four were very red states. on the issues in the polling, the democrats are being validated. they're just not winning at the ballot box. that's where the disconnect is. i think that will come to a head in 2016. they have to not be afraid of that message and be afraid of being called liberals or something. >> now, today senator warren talked about how personal this fight is for her. listen. >> when my daddy had a heart attack, we went a long stretch with no money coming in. the bills piled up. we lost the family station wagon. and we were right on the edge of losing our home. when the time came, there was no money to send me to college. but i got a chance.
a commuter college that cost $50 a semester. and it opened a million doors for me. >> you know, how much does that connect with people, susan? around the country right now, when they hear her telling that kind of story, a feeling people don't have the same opportunities that they used to. >> i think it resonates quite a lot. i was listening to that thinking, i put myself through college. my tuition was $450 a semester and it was hard. my students now might be used to it saying the amounts of money they have to borrow just to go through school and the interest on those loans is extraordinary. and they're terrified of getting out of college and having to pay back these loans. and i think that a lot of people are going through this. and it is something as i said, it is really starting to make people angry. because the economy overall has gotten a lot better. corporations are doing well.
executives are doing well. but just middle class people are not. they're not benefiting from, they lost a lot during the recession but they're not benefiting yet from the recovery. >> thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. still ahead. so for leading from behind. watch the gop's talking points crumble as the president goes big on immigration. also, normal barbie. just in time for the holidays. a new toy makes a serious point about girls and body image. plus, why mary jay blige won't let her husband have female friends. is that the secret to a happy marriage? conversation nation is next.
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. it's time for conversation nation. joining me tonight, democratic strategist jimmy williams, and political strategist angela. thank you all three of you for being here. >> thanks. >> let's talk about the president's executive action and a new poll showing he is facing some resistance from the public. 48% are against the president alone on immigration. versus 38% who approve. but 74% do support a pathway to citizenship. once they learn details of the
plan. so this sounds like the affordable care act act where the people support the policies are not the president. angela, is there a disconnect here? >> yes. the disconnect, unaffordably, it is the thing where they say, don't kill the miss he knower. >> it is not only the messenger. the deliverer. >> absolutely. and not only that, he is the one who has been the most effective on the message. we talk about this. all the challenges, the successes he's had even from the economic side. businesses overwhelmingly support immigration reform. the policy people support overwhelmingly related to immigration reform are the fact that we bring in highly skilled work enters into this country. he is again, the deliverer and the messenger and people don't want to hear from him. >> i hate to say the two words, obama fatigue but i'm going to say obama fatigue.
i'll tell you why. the republicans have done such a remarkably swell job of making him look inempty, incompetent, all the in words. all the things he hasn't been able to do. and everything that angela just said. highest stock market, highest corporate markets in the history of the world. the list is on and on. and yet he is an emperor, he can't lead. and he's done it all. but somehow, some way the republicans have could not vinlsed a majority of the american people, post 2012, by the way, when he won by 5 million votes pex stinks and he doesn't. >> instead of just jumping to executive action, shouldn't he have tried to get congress on board? >> he tried. the difference is that in 2016, the republicans need latino vote. >> they needed it in the mid terms. >> they need it all the time. >> at least at this point they
have nothing to complain about if he at least tried again. and you guys are the experts. i agree. >> i have a gas stove at home. if i keep putting my finger there over and over again, at some point i'm going to have third degree burns. the president is not stupid. do i think he could communicate better? i want him to get on air force one and travel this country like crazy dog and tell people how good this stuff is. and make sure he has people with him that can speak spanish and talk on groups that matter. next up, just in time for the holidays. a new barbie doll. but this barbie looks nothing like what you remember. this one is, quote, normal. a normal barbie with an average woman's proportions. she even come with cellulite, freckles and acne stickers. so kids can customize her. the designer of the toy said he wants kids to play with the doll that doesn't perpetuate impossible ideas. he even created a video to show
the doll transform into a barbie through photo shop. just to hammer home his point. what do you think of normal barbie? is she on your wish list? >> i have a list of 463 reasons of why i don't want children and this is on it. so i don't have to make decisions between barbies. but with that. there are the parents who are going to be, oh, looks don't matter and beauty is skin deep and people care about your mind and not your body. those crunchy folks, they've love this doll. the rest houston live in the real world who know the looks do matter. 19-year-olds don't have cellulite. >> some of them do. >> i don't know what to say about baby dolls. >> i've rarely scene you speechless. >> when i was a little boy, i used to play with baby dolls. i'll admit it. i'll own it all day long. >> i used to preach to them.
best congregation i ever had. >> at 9 years old, i don't know if i noticed that baby dolls or my friend's dolls, or my gi joe had a zit or a big butt. i don't remember that. nor did i care. what i do think matters, at least -- >> the doll is scary. >> the doll look likes chucky. >> there are a couple things. one is i think there are certain times of things we should focus on with children and the toys they play. with whether or not they have cellulite or scars or look like they were fighting with the gi joe or the daughter. i think it goes a couple steps too far. i think we should focus if they have long hair, short hair. my parents got me a sash a doll that had my skin complexion because there were only light dolls or dark skinned dolls. >> i want to move to a question. what is the key to a successful
marriage? well, if you ask mary j. blige, it has nothing to do with -- it's not -- it has nothing to do with what we've always heard. it is not about having any friends of the opposite sex. the grammy award winner said in an interview that she won't allow her husband to have any friends who are women. and she can't have any who are men. angela? do you agree with this? >> i agree with everything that mary j. ever says. but this? i'm not crazy but this is crazy. i'm not married so maybe i don't know any better. but this seems a little outrageous. i have a lot of guy friends who are trusted comfort dantes and we don't cross any boundaries. >> that's probably because you're too good for them. >> i fresh compliment, thank you. >> this i think that's too much.
>> let's call this one. let's call it what it is. this is about sex, sex, sex, nothing more, nothing less. >> everybody wants to have sex with every else. >> mary j. doesn't want her husband to have sex with anyone but her. possibly. i can tell you, it is about sex. this is about cheating. 53% -- don't be horrified. this happens, you know. >> this is politics nation. >> well, this is poli-sex nation tonight. >> get him! >> whoa! put on a suit and tie and come out here. >> mary j. blige does not want her husband to have girl friends because she doesn't want him to be tempted. if it is anything more than that, i would like an explanation. >> in full disclosure, are you suggesting that you cannot have opposite sex friends without engaging in sex?
>> or wanting to if you're faithful to your marriage vows you can't. >> we can't have friends? that doesn't mean you want to go to bed with them. >> no. >> so i can sleep with whoever i want as i want. that's why i'm single. >> that's not why you're single. >> love this guy. >> when we come back, i'm flipping this. saturday night live's sicily will host the correspondents dinner. always a fun night. what's your favorite moment? >> and don't say after the show. the conference call.
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george w. bush showed president obama, hillary clinton and several others pictures of his latest paintings of cats and dogs nix way, that man was our president for eight years. >> what do you figure this year's choice? >> first she is wonderful. she is funny, she is diverse, she can do all sorts of different things. i like when women host the white house correspondents dinner. i think it is refreshing as opposed to yet another dude who thinks he's funny. i'm not saying colbert isn't funny but it is good to have. >> what's your favorite moment that you can think of at a white house kornlts dinner in the past? >> my favorite is in honor of the new senate majority leader, as of next congress, mitch mcconnell. >> have a drink with mitch mcconnell. that's my favorite moment. >> let's see it. >> some folks still don't think i spend enough time with congress. why don't you get a drink with mitch mcconnell, they ask.
really? why don't you get a drink with mitch mcconnell? >> your favorite moment. >> the most exciting for me is when obama gives his speech and particularly he gave a very good reference to a tv show that we're all crazy about. do you remember this one? >> i'm feeling sorry, believe it or not, for the speaker of the house as well. these days, the house of republicans actually gives john boehner a hard he time than they give me. which means orange really is the new black. >> that was a great -- >> that was a good one. >> those are fantastic. i can't top that. speaking of women hosting correspondents, wanda sykes. she was just fantastic. let's see what she did. >> proud to be able to say that. the first black president, you know. that's unless you screw up.
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latino. even though nationwide surveys showed more young whites use pot than young blacks or latinos. it doesn't add up. and as new york mayor bill de blasio said last week, these arrests can drag people down for the rest of their lives. >> when an individual is arrested, even for the smallest possession of marijuana, it hurts their chances to get a good job. it hurts their chances to get housing. it hurts their chances to qualify for a student loan. it can follow them the rest of their lives. >> most often, people arrested for small amounts of marijuana are not criminals. in fact, 74% of new yorkers who were arrested for pot possession this year had never been convicted of a misdemeanor before. i'm not saying people should encourage kids to smoke pot. but i am saying that we should not ruin people's lives. cut off their future. even before some of them