trump goes out there and campaigns and you saw this, even some of his comments on friday and even after the jury made their decision on thursday, what he was talking about, he talked about immigration, talked about crime. >> there has been some conversation, but the common if the camp get into the trump campaign writ large, can keep the focus on their then they're going to be able to win this election. and you see that in poll after poll, whether it's present biden's approval rating right now on immigration, which is remarkably upside down right now, in spite of some of the conversations about signing some jonny to lately executive orders around the board quarter you look at his most recent approval rating number that came out last week, end of last week, and he's around -23% nothing about what happens on capitol hill is going to turn that around for joe biden. so as long as donald trump keeps the focus on where it needs to happen, and i would expect you organ to see some of his allies on capitol hill though, tried to take on the after that, they feel like they need to do which is satisfied the republican pace, but matt, do you just very quickly one more in this
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though, for the rest of the campaign? >> it reminded me a little of the "access hollywood" tape. there was a moment of panic. when the "access hollywood" tape broke, there was silence, and everyone was like, are we sticking around with this guy? republicans are now in too deep to do anything but keep this going. donald trump is the platform of their 2024 campaigns down the ticket, so i don't think they'll cut and run from him. in fact, we saw lots of defending. but we saw a kind of very weird defending, right? they'd defend some things but not other things. you know, they attacked the rule of law, which is what we were expecting. i lot was this playbook, but there was this tacking and weaving. ultimately, i also think donald trump is, you know -- when they're not completely in lockstep, that's something to look at. so i do think there were some problems there. ultimately, you know, trump was always going to say this is what he expected and that this was
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foreign policy between the leading candidates for president ever certainly in 100 years, there's a huge amount of consequence in which way these men take the country china is an adversary, the likes of which this country has never seen. they have two very, very different approaches to how to, how to handle that. so watching them tackle those questions, they handle them in very different ways. i think it's a good opportunity for readers and viewers to go and sort of compare both in the transcript and then the two stories. >> yeah. and the transcripts up and the time.com site. thanks so much. a maximum calibration. always good to see you. thanks for being here. thanks. and you can bet democrats running for office and tough races are going to want to read every word in that time magazine interview to see whether it helps or hurts their campaigns. and one of those candidates joins us now, michigan congresswoman alyssa slotkin's, she's running for us senate seat in the great lakes state. thank you so much for joining us a lot of that interview was
they had to take back because they were illegally on his property. i didn't mention trump's personal legal losses as a civil defendant in other very serious cases like the carroll case. now those cases matter and we've covered them in many ways but involves less of the issue of the criminal enterprise, the organizational structure under scrutiny. this evidence, overwhelming evidence is important. it is a new lens with long existing facts and long running crime sprees across two campaigns and his business and how his business a jury has found was pulled into, of course, covering up a campaign crime. all of this matters, and some of it so varied and kind of overwhelming and across different periods of time people would understandably forget or be fatigued or move on. it's part whf out they want. one of the last responses from trump allies or people who feel
she said it is mortal and it needs to be protected. i thought about you, jim comey, i thought about all the people that were never protected. i know that everyone had a different experience and a different collision with trump but that's because we live on earth 1. on earth 2, they wanted to destroy everyone and anyone that might have investigated and tried to get to the bottom of trump's campaigns, coordination with, maybe even unwittingly with russia. right? so the lookback with the benefit of distance is that on earth 1 where we're so married to facts. we sort of push and we prod and we want to get to the bottom of everything, the right reflexively attacks everything real and just and fair and in the pursuit of truth. i wonder how the fact-based folks band together and defend the people pursuing the truth? >> well, nicole, i think you keep speaking the truth. at the end of the day, my focus came from rural north carolina
both trump's campaigns and businesses. so taken together we have the picture now emerge through the legal fact finding process of a sprawling web of criminality. trump is the ringleader. and you can count it out different ways. our reporting and legal analysis for you new tonight shows three enterprises in legal trouble and led by trump. the 2016 campaign, trump convicted in new york, his 2020 campaign, trump aides convicted and trump indicted and plots that have been indicted in three or more states now and trump pz business for a cfo has been convicted and another in jail right now. what we're starting here with is empty with trump convicted on top but we're filling it out tonight. it does take some time. trump's personal conviction casts a trail across multiple probes that just up top i'm going to remind you led to the conviction of his longest serving advisory, his deputy campaign chair, his campaign