don't have that and now we're in a recession? >> the feelings although true and the paints that guests bring up are accurate and not anything to do with the recession. the economy is bigger than it was before the '07 collapse in real estate. you can't have a recession if your economy is bigger than a year ago, it's impossible. the term has a definition and we're not shrinking, the economy is in recession, they're shrink. and most of europe in recession and close to it. now we don't feel as good as back when the housing prices were up and the equity to burn and really low and that's not recession, that's just-- >> and your definition. >> brenda: okay. the official definition is two consecutive quarters of negative gdp. let's not get into that. because carry k, in the end people feel they're in a recession when they don't have a job or worried about losing their jobs and unemployment is still above 8%. >> first off, we're not in a