election day is nine days away. have you cast your ballot yet? nearly 55 million have. breaking records in states. among the early vote es about two out of five are age 65 or older. one out of ten are age 29 or younger. this week new york congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez reached out to young people online. in a very cool way. she live streamed herself playing the popular online game, among us. she got more than 5 million views on the streaming app. twitch. she was truly lethal. we will explore this out reach and explain among us. just ahead. joe biden and president trump took a more congressional approach to voter out reach. with campaign events this weekend. this week the president will head to pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin and virginia. biden is off to georgia. national polling shows joe biden leading by nearly 8%. in swing states the race is significantly tighter. voters in texas have already cast 80% of the total votes cast in 2016. and we're still more than a week from election day. today's dallas morning news had an unusual headline. biden grabs narrow lead over trump in texas. holding that lead would make some history. do you know the last democratic presidential candidate to win texas? jimmy carter in 1976. it's not just the race for the white house. that's bringing voters out. the down ballot races are crucial. everyone in the u.s. house and more. 35 senate seats are up for grabs this year. that includes both seats in georgia. senator kamala harris made note of that while campaigning in atlanta on friday. >> that brings me to georgia. you have to send them to the united states senate. send them to the united states senate. let them represent georgia. on all these issues. it is critically important. those senate seats, those are six year terms. think about your plans -- >> joinings now democratic candidate. he is running to unseat republican senator david per due. good evening. >> good evening. >> they thought it was stacey abrams year for the governor mansion. kemp pulled it off. he's the governor. why is this year the year for democrats to take one or both seats in the senate? >> this is really the culmination of the decade of work in georgia. much of the it led by stacey abrams. recall that she lost the governor race in 2018 running against ts man who over saw the election. by just 50,000 votes. we have added more than 800,000 voters to the rolls since then in two years. the new electorate and younger and diverse chl the state becomes younger and more diverse by the hour. the turn out among young voters and black voters and communities of color are all shattering all time records. of course, voters in georgia are continuing to face voters suppression. and ab tsa kls to the franchise. >> let's talk about policy. with covid-19 if you are in the senate right now what would you be working on in terms of helping georgia deal with the pandemic. it looks like the most powerful person in the democratic caucus is mitch mcconnell. and nothing flows around him but that he permits it. if you join the democratic caucus, how would you help? >> georgia is the home of the cdc. the centers for disease control. my state hosts the world foremost experts in public health and epidemiology. from day one our governments failure our president's failure has been that this response has been politicized. they have failed to empower the people who actually know what they're doing. even worse they suppressed the government's own public health experts. sent mixed messages and under mine science. my wife is a doctor. the doctors and nurses have been doing their job. it's the politicians who haven't. we need to empower public health experts to lead. and relief to small businesses and working families who have been suffering without substantial relief from congress since late summer. >> a recent poll from the "new york times" shows you ask approximate senator purdue tied at 43% each. another poll that shows you behind by 1%. or ahead. basically margin of error in both cases. essentially tied. what do you think it is that will put you over the top if you are successful? is there anything that stands to give you the edge if you win this one? >> there's no doubt this is now the closest u.s. senate race in the country. that's why mcconnell has spent more money against me than any other democratic challenger in the country. what we have to do is we have to get out the vote like it's never been done before. in georgia. and we have to protect ballot access. black voters in particular. are being made to wait in outrageous lines and showing perseverance. in the face of voter suppression. i need help from across the nation to protect ballot access in georgia. i need folks to get onto elect jon and send $1. to defend voting rights. >> there's an op sed stating atlanta murder rate this year is on par with chicago. with know there were extremely intense protests after the homicide of george floyd. including some that damaged the facade of the center downtown. the brooks case is moving. the young man killed by atlanta police officers in a wendy's parking lot. what is it that you as a senator would want to help georgia with? in terms of improving relations with law enforcement. >> we need to rebuild trust. between communities and law enforcement. so law enforcement can effectively do its job and keep every community in the state safe. we need a new civil rights act. that will establish national standards for the use of force. and that will equip local law enforcement not with weapons of war but with the training and expertise necessary to do their jobs effectively and kpeep us safe and build strong relations with community leaders and ordinary people especially in the black community here in georgia. our constitution guarantees equal protection under the law. when ahmaud arbery was shot to death on camera in broad daylight. and officials looked the other way. that made a mockery of the equal protection. it makes it harder for law enforcement to do their job and communities to trust. >> briefly, one of the top three committees you want to serve on as senator? >> i have a background in national security. and foreign affairs. i'd like to serve on the armed services. commerce. and conducting oversight and investigation to root out fraud, abuse and corruption. within the federal government. >> democratic candidate for u.s. senate in georgia. thanks very much. >> pleasure. thank you. >> for more on georgia senate races let's continue. a political reporter with the atlanta journal constitution. good evening. >> thanks if for having me. >> thought on what we just just heard? >> when he first started running in 2017 for a special election district in northern atlanta. he had a more moderate message. after he entered the race. then a moderate message. he's running statewide after stacey abrams example in 2018. you can be a democrat who embraces liberal positions and continued sood so. polls are showing it's working out. he's neck in neck in every major poll we have seen. >> talk about that for a minute. the fact they are neck in neck. it gives some candidates in a different situation. in georgia that's a sign of progress. that means his campaign is working. >> exactly. no georgia democrat has won statewide in a dozen years. even the fact that he's forcing a run off is major progress for a democratic candidate in georgia. if you don't get a majority there will be a january 5 run off. that's almost a guarantee in the other senate race. this race it's a little bit more up in the air. very few polls show either of them around 50%. >> touch on that other senate race. running in very interesting special race. among the candidates to unseat her is the reverend. the senior pastor at baptist church. what's the big story behind that race and who seems to be out in front? >> yeah right now it's reverend. he's about 30 to 40% most public polls. he has the full backing of the democratic establishment. he has the money and the campaign organization. that the other democrats lack. he's the front runner. congressman collins are scrapping with ooemp for the republican vote. and trying to out dual each other for the far right conservative vote. they feel like going towards the middle doesn't make any sense for them. both of them are out there with very scathing ads. mostly attacking each other rather than focusing on the reverend. the polls don't show him 50% either. they can shift the attention to him once one of them makes it to the run off in january. >> why are there two republicans going for the seat? he's in a prominent position in the house. so it's not like he's a back bencher. why haven't gop georgiaens coalessed around one candidate? >> great question. he was the prominent republican one of the most defenders of trump during impeachment during the judiciary committee. essentially, president trump and allies really encouraged governor kemp to appoint collins to that open seat. that was left vacant by retired senator. instead the governor wanted to go a different route. pick an outsider from outside the political establishment. and kelly who is a former financial executive. but promised to spend at least $20 million of her own cash on the campaign. and so far that tally reached 23 million. she's abided by the promise. it's driven apart the republican party in georgia and different camps. you have very well known georgia politicians backing kelly and others backing collins. it's a civil war within the georgia gop. >> judiciary committee. that's what i should have said. before i let you go, if someone is going to trip in this race at the finish line, what are they going to trip over? >> that's ta great question. more than two third of the voters are expected to cast ballots before november 3. astonishing number in georgia. most republicans are still going to hold out for election day. election day will tilt towards republicans. we're looking for kelly and collins in that race. and purdue in his race to continue to play to the base. and there's a concern that if they go too far to the right it could ailen ate voters in november or january run off. >> it will be interesting to see what happens. i'm very interested in the collins lofler race. you have one of the most fascinating political seats in the country. >> coming up. we'll check out what first time voters are saying about the election and what motivated some of you. how far does a fund raising advantage go towards victory this far into a campaign? first up. the headlines. >> good evening. stores are watching for this hour. utah may begin rationing care for coronavirus patients. according to president of the utah hospital association. doctors may have o to hit patients out of the icu. pg&e is turning off power for 300,000 customers in california. the concern is strong wind and dry conditions could damage electrical equipment. potentially starting more wild fires. and nasa astronaut she voted from the international space station. using a secure electronic ballot. saying if she can vote from space, americans should be able to do the same from the ground. more of "the week" after the break. cell phone repair. did you know liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? just get a quote at libertymutual.com. really? i'll check that out. oh yeah. i think i might get a quote. not again! aah, come on rice. do your thing. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ this week joe biden became the highest spending political candidate in history. since launching his campaign he's spent nearly $600 million just on tv ads. in the past week the biden campaign rolled out $45 million worth of ads. about three times what the trump campaign spent. going into october joe biden reported a cash advantage of more than $100 million over the trump campaign. with just a week left until election, why not spend it if you got it? let's discuss that with me panel. senior opinion writer at the boston globe. and contributor. and republican strategist and senior add virz at the lincoln project. good to have you with us. what happened with joe biden? this time last year, they had bothed out fund raising wise and rais rais raised less than $25,000 a day. was it matter of getting the nomination of that magic moment when congressman clyburn anointed him in south carolina and made it happen? or more to it than that? >> to be clear the democratic universe was going to coa less the nominee. two things happened to biden. south carolina and kamala harris happened. i'll let you draw the connective tissue. this campaign was doing well with rolling along into august. you can't deny it the $500 million shot kamala harris provided to the campaign. he was going to have enough money. but she secured the financial future ocht campaign. so they can take risk and show out into the home stretch. without having to make hyper conservative decisions that are driven by a shoe string budget. >> what about the differences in strategy between the biden campaign and the trump campaign? in terms of how they spend dollars. trump is favored online advertising vs. on air. they have some pretty creative stuff coming out in the last few days. one of the latest pieces they put out is called how to catch a zombie joe biden edition. that seems to be the way they prefer to do it. rather than i'm donald trump and i awe prove this message. could that work for them? >> no. you can spend money wisely. you can maximize it or have a will the of dollars and blow it. that's what the trump campaign did. they had a will the of dollars and blew it early on. they didn't have a spending strategy. that's the problem. when they throw these things up online without having a thought process behind it they can't burn a message. that's what the lack of fund right now the trump campaign has is really hurting trump. not that he has a message. if he wanted to even get one out there, it's not enough time or money for the donald trump campaign to be successful and burning another message and getting out to the public. they can try zombie whatever. they will be among walking dead. >> before i come to you, clever. ten points. before i come to you, with regard to that, i wonder if maybe because they're spending on social in addition to television, but heavily on social. it might not matter as much this time around. social media is so much more about emotion than information. and as long as you get the base fired up and get the message repeated and the tropes repeated. that might be enough to just keep the base. it might be too small. it might still do the trick with whatever is there. >> social media is a great way to advertise. it can be truly effective. how you do it and with what message does matter. trump has only appealed to his base. never to the voters that maybe could be he could have drawn in after he was elected. so i think you're right. he's basically going to the same people over and over and over again. he's got them. he just doesn't have anybody else. and not effective of using social media campaign. just like they haven't led an effective campaign in broadening the base. >> let's zoom out a bit with spending. according to advertising analysis. seven of the ten most expensive senate campaigns are happening this year. seven of the ten most expensive. look at the big ones on the screen. you have the race in south carolina. harrison vs. graham. raised $57 million in the third quarter. you have mark kelly in arizona. dramatically out raising mcsally. with $39 million to her 22.6 million. what's up with all the big ticket fund raising? >> you saw the u.s. supreme court really for the first time in recent history really energize the democratic base. across the country. and really is a big reason for the big fund raising both that joe biden is seeing. wu certainly in a lot of the senate races. which this money is coming from donors. both within and well outside of the states. in south carolina lindsey graham is the chair. of the senate judiciary committee. he's the one who said hold me to it. when he said that in 2016 that a supreme court nominee shouldn't be confirmed in a presidential election year. he totally flip-flopped on that position. and the democrats are doing all they can to try to help make him pay for it and remind him and hold him accountable for the words. in the past the supreme court has been a republican issue. something that galvanized the base on the right. for the first time this year with so many things at stake. from reproductive health to affirmative action. it's really been a big energizer on the democratic side. >> do we have any sense of how effective tv adds are this time around? we see kind of the two standard kinds of ads. i'm josh johnson i would like to represent you because i believe in small town america and i'm here for main street. not wall street. there's that. and the who's putting money in josh johnson's pocket these days? could it be big media? it's the two kind of ads and there's nothing in the middle. in an era of social media i feel like you can mount a campaign smartly through fortune and facebook and beat the pants off somebody. no matter how much money. >> you said a lot. i'll try to get to it. you should be writing scripts for these things. >> no. no, do not tempt me. >> a couple things yo put out that should be addressed. you reach a point of diminishing returns. people know who they'll vote for and but you're going -- at some point the tv ads get old. unless a campaign has made use of the first angle. that's something that is important this year. given that so many people for the first time will vote for election day. wipe the people off the roll. and target voters who you know haven't participated yet. and find their most specific angle. maybe direct mail or facebook. or text messaging. that's the hyper targeting you can do when you have money like joe biden. and you have eliminated a substantial amount of the voter base. that's something you can spend the money on. except tv. last thing i'd like to say, this is a fight after november 3. i guarantee that with all the money raised across the races and on both side, not enough has been spent with minority firms. that's extraordinarily important. >> that was made earlier. one of the points he made was that now you look at spanish language tv and there are ton of ads in spanish. when they could have been spending the money months ago to try to get an early before the voice were crowded out. can i ask you about two of the b big races in southern states. lindsey graham with harrison. and then the race between mcgrath and mitch mcconnell. it feels like those two races are would be gold stars for the democratic senate caucus. if they can unseat those two. particularly mitch mcconnell because everything that democrats want to do seems to stop by his very existence. what's your sense of how the races are going? >> wow. if the democrats pull off those two seats they are closer to 60 than to 51. that will be a day reckoning. no doubt. what's interesting talking about how do you spend a lot of money. harrison decided to support a third party candidate who has called himself more conservative than lindsey graham. there are ways to be get a message out there when you have extra cash on hand. and use it effectively. that can be one of the ways he's successful. when you look at mcconnell, i don't think he's as vulnerable as it looks. the money raised was against him. and sending a signal and a message. but you never know in this environment. anything can happen. >> with regard to mitch mcconnell's race. i wonder what it says if mitch mcconnell remains a senator in the same state that has been royaled by protests over breonna taylor. if i was running against mcconnell, that would be my hot campaign issue. asking him about that morning, noon and night. i don't want to presume that will be enough to put a candidate over the top. how do you think it will factor into the kentucky race? >> it's certainly a factor. particularly fund raising in a year where this is a major civil rights issue. the killing of unarmed black people by police. we have seen it be a major issue nationwide. in kentucky, particularly you have a one two punch of that and the coronavirus. which is in a lot of southern states has proven to be the game changer. the polls in places like texas and south carolina. and georgia. people are they still like trump when it comes to the economy. but they don't. they are losing faith in his ability to handle the crisis. he hasn't. and know you can't rebound an economy without getting the virus under control. there are multiple factors here. i agree that kentucky will be a tough race for mcconnell to lose. but he could very well be on track to lose the senate majority leader position. if enough democratic energy behind the response to the coronavirus and civil rights and racial justice issues propel democrats nationwide. >> i want you to know that it's your fault i am hearing campaign ads playing in my head. my mind is writing them in the back of my head. i'm struggling to focus. i blame you for that. >> write all of them you want. you have to get people to hire you. that's what we're talking about. minority owned firms. >> i have no plausible deniability. we'll talk about it later. thank you tw of you for being cool about this. i appreciate you making time. thank you. back to my day job. i hope you'll join me next week. i'll will helping out with the election coverage. anchoring monday through friday from noon to 2:00 p.m. eastern. watch on peacock, you tube and major streaming devices. and online. first time voters are often teens or 20 somethings. we'll meet newcomers who have been around a while. usea, heartburn, indigestion,♪ ♪upset stomach, diarrhea pepto bismol coats and soothes your stomach for fast relief and now, get the same fast relief in a delightful chew with new pepto bismol chews. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ a livcustomizeper iquickbooks for me. ♪ okay, you're all set up. thanks! that was my business gi, this one's casual. get set up right with a live bookkeeper with intuit quickbooks. my hands are everything to me. but i was diagnosed with dupuytren's contracture. and it got to the point where things i took for granted got tougher to do. thought surgery was my only option. turns out i was wrong. so when a hand specialist told me about nonsurgical treatments, it was a total game changer. like you, my hands have a lot more to do. learn more at factsonhand.com today. did you try it yet? 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>> the thing about it the easiest way is it takes a tv game show formatt and into a new medium. you are combining the survivor, clue, the board game. and adding all the things that have made gaming popular. twitch the online the interactive element. importantly it's easy to pick up. it's not requiring to click a million times per second or watch a who's coming around the corner and shoot them. so it's a accessibility and classic sort of elements from tv game shows that people loved for a long time. >> and you can play it on a smart phone. you don't need a fancy controller. what is twitch? >> twitch the easiest way is it's a platform that allows gamers to broadcast themselves playing video games. and it's interactive in a sense. there's usually a person in the bottom corner as their little window. and then people can chat and interact. and from a median standpoint think of it like the next phase of radio. we put it in the article that came out. >> how was this live stream with aoc and omar received? it's easy for people from one generation trying to reach out to a yupger generation to feel like greetings fellow youth. let's talk about the cable television. and it goes off really badly. this seems to go well. >> it was the meme he's hello fellow kid. there was none of that. one of her gifts is relatability. she can come into the mediums and platforms. and talk normally to people. it doesn't feel scripted. she's speaking their language. and able to be authentic. even with the terminology she uses. and any club. if you're able to use the terminology and act like people are usually acting you fit in. it was a hit. over 400,000 people can currently watching it. fourth most popular stream on twitch ever. maybe higher if you include the concurrent streams taking place. from that standpoint it was all tremendous spark of success. in terms of getting people to vote that is remains to be seen. >> this was a stream with two women. particularly two women of color. and the online gaming world hz had tremendous problems with sexism and racism. in a number of corners. gamer gate. this huge scandal about just really borish behavior. by some juvenile dudes online. who thought it was cool it say all kind of awful things to women. and people of color online. i don't know if that stood out to you. that aspect of it really stood out. >> absolutely. it's one of the first things that myself and my editor noticed. we covered it had. we really did a deep dive. it was last year. just looking to see why is this so difficult? why can't the platforms begin to handle these things and create incentive to not do it. they have done it to a certain extent. this is a lingering problem in the gaming community. one that is slowly being addressed certainly not fast enough. but i'm glad you brought it up. this i think we'll look back and see it was a for gaming community and politics. the more that the sort of that behavior is not normalized and acceptable, it was great. >> last five seconds. ps 5 or x box series x? >> i have to stay neutral. >> smart man. i was trying to get you in trouble. i'm sorry. >> thank you. >> ps 5. that's just me. last night we asked you how you became woke. what was your political awakening? we'll share your stories before we go. wow. that will save me lots of money. this game's boring. only pay for what you need. liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. tums ver(bell rings)la stick when heartburn hits fight back fast... ...with tums chewy bites... beat heartburn fast tums chewy bites it's eithor it isn't.ance of a 165-point certification process. it's either testing an array of advanced safety systems. or it isn't. it's either the peace of mind of a standard unlimited mileage warranty. or it isn't. for those who never settle, it's either mercedes-benz certified pre-owned. or it isn't. the mercedes-benz certified pre-owned sales event. now through november 2nd. shop online and build your deal today. let's get to some of your e-mails. we asked what happened to or around you that made you politically aware. how did you get woke? lots of you wrote about vietnam. norma from richmond, texas, writes, i was in my early teens and had a friend who had been there and told us how our soldiers didn't believe in the war, which made my question it. i listened to some of the news shows and realized we shouldn't be there, but too many politicians were doing the bidding of large corporations. i also learned about racial injustice during those years. the music back then was about living together in peace and caring for each other. i still catch myself singing country joe and the fishes "next t stop is vietnam." it still gets to me and that mood feels appropriate during this time. greg from independence, kentucky, writes, i was a freshman in the late '70s and my high school was doing a mock election reagan vs. carter. i asked my mom for advise. she said vote for whoever the republican is. this was in kentucky, which still has a straight party option. this made me skeptical and got me thinking, there's got to be more to it than that. so i dug into some newspaper coverage, liked carter, but eventually decided on the independent, john anderson. i've been following politics ever since. paul in bloomington, minnesota, writes, my political awakening happened on september 11th, 2001, on the day our nation was attacked i started paying attention. the first thing i saw was our nation traumatized by terrorism. the second thing i saw was the hateful retaliatory attacks against muslims by white citizens. that was my introduction to a true understanding of the difference between racism and anti-racism and my responsibility as a white american to work toward anti-racism. by the way, that term anti-racist refers to actively raising your awareness of racial issues and proactively helping root out racism in everyday life. rebecca writes, as a young 16-year-old who's part native american, my political awakening came when i found a book on the american indian movement and leonard pelt fell on my lap at the library. i then walked across the country until my feet bled into the ground with the american indian movement when i was 19 years old on the walk across america for mother earth. i ended up becoming a native american activist, albeit silenced for 32 years and a national bernie sanders delegate. so many amazing stories. thank you for sharing them all. finally, a correction. in my essay last night i mentioned christa mcauliffe, the schoolteacher who died in the challenger explosion. i incorrectly said she had taught in palm beach county, where i'm from. according to nasa, she actually taught in maryland and new hampshire. the error probably took root in my brain because palm beach county has a christa mcauliffe middle school. regardless, i should have triple checked it. sorry about that. sit tight. steve kornacki is up next with a one-hour election special. until we meet again, i'm joshua johnson. thank you for making time for us and make it a wonderful week. good night. and make it a wonderful week good night ♪ ♪ ♪ smooth driving pays off with allstate, the safer you drive the more you save you never been in better hands allstate click or call for a quote today or psoriatic arthritis, little things can become your big moment. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats differently. for psoriasis, 75% clearer skin is achievable, with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. for psoriatic arthritis, otezla is proven to reduce joint swelling, tenderness, and pain. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts or if these feelings develop. some people taking otezla reported weight loss. your doctor should monitor your weight and may stop treatment. upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur. tell your doctor about your medicines and if you're pregnant or planning to be. otezla. show more of you. ♪ good evening. i am steve kornacki. welcome to a special sunday night here. we are less than ten days to go, nine days to be exact, until election day. this really is the home stretch of the 2020 campaign. this truly is a year unlike any other. and another stark reminder of that tonight, early votes that have been cast so far in this presidential election, there's the total cast so far. that number as of today is now higher than the total early vote for the entire early voting period four years ago. we are now past it and there are still, as we say, nine days to go, nine more days of ballots to be coming in before we're actually at election day and before the big board behind
answer it's tougher to convince people who are anxious about the issues that he's a safe bet to vote for. if they are undecided. >> they could have just been watching this program. they could have looked at you and you would have summed it up. in like four minutes. and would have had more fun watching -- they'll learn next time. good fo see you. thank you. >> you bet. >> it's the top of the hour. i'm josh johnson. you're in the right place. this is "the week." election day is nine days away. have you cast your ballot yet? nearly 55 million have. breaking records in states. among the early vote es about two out of five are age 65 or older. one out of ten are age 29 or younger. this week new york congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez reached out to young people online. in a very cool way. she live streamed herself playing the popular online game, among us. she got more than 5 million views on the streaming app. twitch. she was truly lethal. we will explore this out reach and explain among us. just ahead. joe biden and president trump took a more congressional approach to voter out reach. with campaign events this weekend. this week the president will head to pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin and virginia. biden is off to georgia. national polling shows joe biden leading by nearly 8%. in swing states the race is significantly tighter. voters in texas have already cast 80% of the total votes cast in 2016. and we're still more than a week from election day. today's dallas morning news had an unusual headline. biden grabs narrow lead over trump in texas. holding that lead would make some history. do you know the last democratic presidential candidate to win texas? jimmy carter in 1976. it's not just the race for the white house. that's bringing voters out. the down ballot races are crucial. everyone in the u.s. house and more. 35 senate seats are up for grabs this year. that includes both seats in georgia. senator kamala harris made note of that while campaigning in atlanta on friday. >> that brings me to georgia. you have to send them to the united states senate. send them to the united states senate. let them represent georgia. on all these issues. it is critically important. those senate seats, those are six year terms. think about your plans -- >> joinings now democratic candidate. he is running to unseat republican senator david per due. good evening. >> good evening. >> they thought it was stacey abrams year for the governor mansion. kemp pulled it off. he's the governor. why is this year the year for democrats to take one or both seats in the senate? >> this is really the culmination of the decade of work in georgia. much of the it led by stacey abrams. recall that she lost the governor race in 2018 running against ts man who over saw the election. by just 50,000 votes. we have added more than 800,000 voters to the rolls since then in two years. the new electorate and younger and diverse chl the state becomes younger and more diverse by the hour. the turn out among young voters and black voters and communities of color are all shattering all time records. of course, voters in georgia are continuing to face voters suppression. and ab tsa kls to the franchise. >> let's talk about policy. with covid-19 if you are in the senate right now what would you be working on in terms of helping georgia deal with the pandemic. it looks like the most powerful person in the democratic caucus is mitch mcconnell. and nothing flows around him but that he permits it. if you join the democratic caucus, how would you help? >> georgia is the home of the cdc. the centers for disease control. my state hosts the world foremost experts in public health and epidemiology. from day one our governments failure our president's failure has been that this response has been politicized. they have failed to empower the people who actually know what they're doing. even worse they suppressed the government's own public health experts. sent mixed messages and under mine science. my wife is a doctor. the doctors and nurses have been doing their job. it's the politicians who haven't. we need to empower public health experts to lead. and relief to small businesses and working families who have been suffering without substantial relief from congress since late summer. >> a recent poll from the "new york times" shows you ask approximate senator purdue tied at 43% each. another poll that shows you behind by 1%. or ahead. basically margin of error in both cases. essentially tied. what do you think it is that will put you over the top if you are successful? is there anything that stands to give you the edge if you win this one? >> there's no doubt this is now the closest u.s. senate race in the country. that's why mcconnell has spent more money against me than any other democratic challenger in the country. what we have to do is we have to get out the vote like it's never been done before. in georgia. and we have to protect ballot access. black voters in particular. are being made to wait in outrageous lines and showing perseverance. in the face of voter suppression. i need help from across the nation to protect ballot access in georgia. i need folks to get onto elect jon and send $1. to defend voting rights. >> there's an op sed stating atlanta murder rate this year is on par with chicago. with know there were extremely intense protests after the homicide of george floyd. including some that damaged the facade of the center downtown. the brooks case is moving. the young man killed by atlanta police officers in a wendy's parking lot. what is it that you as a senator would want to help georgia with? in terms of improving relations with law enforcement. >> we need to rebuild trust. between communities and law enforcement. so law enforcement can effectively do its job and keep every community in the state safe. we need a new civil rights act. that will establish national standards for the use of force. and that will equip local law enforcement not with weapons of war but with the training and expertise necessary to do their jobs effectively and kpeep us safe and build strong relations with community leaders and ordinary people especially in the black community here in georgia. our constitution guarantees equal protection under the law. when ahmaud arbery was shot to death on camera in broad daylight. and officials looked the other way. that made a mockery of the equal protection. it makes it harder for law enforcement to do their job and communities to trust. >> briefly, one of the top three committees you want to serve on as senator? >> i have a background in national security. and foreign affairs. i'd like to serve on the armed services. commerce. and conducting oversight and investigation to root out fraud, abuse and corruption. within the federal government. >> democratic candidate for u.s. senate in georgia. thanks very much. >> pleasure. thank you. >> for more on georgia senate races let's continue. a political reporter with the atlanta journal constitution. good evening. >> thanks if for having me. >> thought on what we just just heard? >> when he first started running in 2017 for a special election district in northern atlanta. he had a more moderate message. after he entered the race. then a moderate message. he's running statewide after stacey abrams example in 2018. you can be a democrat who embraces liberal positions and continued sood so. polls are showing it's working out. he's neck in neck in every major poll we have seen. >> talk about that for a minute. the fact they are neck in neck. it gives some candidates in a different situation. in georgia that's a sign of progress. that means his campaign is working. >> exactly. no georgia democrat has won statewide in a dozen years. even the fact that he's forcing a run off is major progress for a democratic candidate in georgia. if you don't get a majority there will be a january 5 run off. that's almost a guarantee in the other senate race. this race it's a little bit more up in the air. very few polls show either of them around 50%. >> touch on that other senate race. running in very interesting special race. among the candidates to unseat her is the reverend. the senior pastor at baptist church. what's the big story behind that race and who seems to be out in front? >> yeah right now it's reverend. he's about 30 to 40% most public polls. he has the full backing of the democratic establishment. he has the money and the campaign organization. that the other democrats lack. he's the front runner. congressman collins are scrapping with ooemp for the republican vote. and trying to out dual each other for the far right conservative vote. they feel like going towards the middle doesn't make any sense for them. both of them are out there with very scathing ads. mostly attacking each other rather than focusing on the reverend. the polls don't show him 50% either. they can shift the attention to him once one of them makes it to the run off in january. >> why are there two republicans going for the seat? he's in a prominent position in the house. so it's not like he's a back bencher. why haven't gop georgiaens coalessed around one candidate? >> great question. he was the prominent republican one of the most defenders of trump during impeachment during the judiciary committee. essentially, president trump and allies really encouraged governor kemp to appoint collins to that open seat. that was left vacant by retired senator. instead the governor wanted to go a different route. pick an outsider from outside the political establishment. and kelly who is a former financial executive. but promised to spend at least $20 million of her own cash on the campaign. and so far that tally reached 23 million. she's abided by the promise. it's driven apart the republican party in georgia and different camps. you have very well known georgia politicians backing kelly and others backing collins. it's a civil war within the georgia gop. >> judiciary committee. that's what i should have said. before i let you go, if someone is going to trip in this race at the finish line, what are they going to trip over? >> that's ta great question. more than two third of the voters are expected to cast ballots before november 3. astonishing number in georgia. most republicans are still going to hold out for election day. election day will tilt towards republicans. we're looking for kelly and collins in that race. and purdue in his race to continue to play to the base. and there's a concern that if they go too far to the right it could ailen ate voters in november or january run off. >> it will be interesting to see what happens. i'm very interested in the collins lofler race. you have one of the most fascinating political seats in the country. >> coming up. we'll check out what first time voters are saying about the election and what motivated some of you. how far does a fund raising advantage go towards victory this far into a campaign? first up. the headlines. >> good evening. stores are watching for this hour. utah may begin rationing care for coronavirus patients. according to president of the utah hospital association. doctors may have o to hit patients out of the icu. pg&e is turning off power for 300,000 customers in california. the concern is strong wind and dry conditions could damage electrical equipment. potentially starting more wild fires. and nasa astronaut she voted from the international space station. using a secure electronic ballot. saying if she can vote from space, americans should be able to do the same from the ground. more of "the week" after the break. ♪ you can go your own way it's time you make the rules. so join the 2 million people who have switched to xfinity mobile. you can choose from the latest phones or bring your own device and choose the amount of data that's right for you to save even more. and you'll get 5g at no extra cost. all on the most reliable network. so choose a data option that's right for you. get 5g included and save up to $400 dollars a year on the network rated #1 in customer satisfaction. it's your wireless. your rules. only with xfinity mobile. this week joe biden became the highest spending political candidate in history. since launching his campaign he's spent nearly $600 million just on tv ads. in the past week the biden campaign rolled out $45 million worth of ads. about three times what the trump campaign spent. going into october joe biden reported a cash advantage of more than $100 million over the trump campaign. with just a week left until election, why not spend it if you got it? let's discuss that with me panel. senior opinion writer at the boston globe. and contributor. and republican strategist and senior add virz at the lincoln project. good to have you with us. what happened with joe biden? this time last year, they had bothed out fund raising wise and raised less than $25,000 a day. was it matter of getting the nomination of that magic moment when congressman clyburn anointed him in south carolina and made it happen? or more to it than that? >> to be clear the democratic universe was going to coa less the nominee. two things happened to biden. south carolina and kamala harris happened. i'll let you draw the connective tissue. this campaign was doing well with rolling along into august. you can't deny it the $500 million shot kamala harris provided to the campaign. he was going to have enough money. but she secured the financial future ocht campaign. so they can take risk and show out into the home stretch. without having to make hyper conservative decisions that are driven by a shoe string budget. >> what about the differences in strategy between the biden campaign and the trump campaign? in terms of how they spend dollars. trump is favored online advertising vs. on air. they have some pretty creative stuff coming out in the last few days. one of the latest pieces they put out is called how to catch a zombie joe biden edition. that seems to be the way they prefer to do it. rather than i'm donald trump and i awe prove this message. could that work for them? >> no. you can spend money wisely. you can maximize it or have a will the of dollars and blow it. that's what the trump campaign did. they had a will the of dollars and blew it early on. they didn't have a spending strategy. that's the problem. when they throw these things up online without having a thought process behind it they can't burn a message. that's what the lack of fund right now the trump campaign has is really hurting trump. not that he has a message. if he wanted to even get one out there, it's not enough time or money for the donald trump campaign to be successful and burning another message and getting out to the public. they can try zombie whatever. they will be among walking dead. >> before i come to you, clever. ten points. before i come to you, with regard to that, i wonder if maybe because they're spending on social in addition to television, but heavily on social. it might not matter as much this time around. social media is so much more about emotion than information. and as long as you get the base fired up and get the message repeated and the tropes repeated. that might be enough to just keep the base. it might be too small. it might still do the trick with whatever is there. >> social media is a great way to advertise. it can be truly effective. how you do it and with what message does matter. trump has only appealed to his base. never to the voters that maybe could be he could have drawn in after he was elected. so i think you're right. he's basically going to the same people over and over and over again. he's got them. he just doesn't have anybody else. and not effective of using social media campaign. just like they haven't led an effective campaign in broadening the base. >> let's zoom out a bit with spending. according to advertising analysis. seven of the ten most expensive senate campaigns are happening this year. seven of the ten most expensive. look at the big ones on the screen. you have the race in south carolina. harrison vs. graham. raised $57 million in the third quarter. you have mark kelly in arizona. dramatically out raising mcsally. with $39 million to her 22.6 million. what's up with all the big ticket fund raising? >> you saw the u.s. supreme court really for the first time in recent history really energize the democratic base. across the country. and really is a big reason for the big fund raising both that joe biden is seeing. wu certainly in a lot of the senate races. which this money is coming from donors. both within and well outside of the states. in south carolina lindsey graham is the chair. of the senate judiciary committee. he's the one who said hold me to it. when he said that in 2016 that a supreme court nominee shouldn't be confirmed in a presidential election year. he totally flip-flopped on that position. and the democrats are doing all they can to try to help make him pay for it and remind him and hold him accountable for the words. in the past the supreme court has been a republican issue. something that galvanized the base on the right. for the first time this year with so many things at stake. from reproductive health to affirmative action. it's really been a big energizer on the democratic side. >> do we have any sense of how effective tv adds are this time around? we see kind of the two standard kinds of ads. i'm josh johnson i would like to represent you because i believe in small town america and i'm here for main street. not wall street. there's that. and the who's putting money in josh johnson's pocket these days? could it be big media? it's the two kind of ads and there's nothing in the middle. in an era of social media i feel like you can mount a campaign smartly through fortune and facebook and beat the pants off somebody. no matter how much money. >> you said a lot. i'll try to get to it. you should be writing scripts for these things. >> no. no, do not tempt me. >> a couple things yo put out that should be addressed. you reach a point of diminishing returns. people know who they'll vote for and but you're going -- at some point the tv ads get old. unless a campaign has made use of the first angle. that's something that is important this year. given that so many people for the first time will vote for election day. wipe the people off the roll. and target voters who you know haven't participated yet. and find their most specific angle. maybe direct mail or facebook. or text messaging. that's the hyper targeting you can do when you have money like joe biden. and you have eliminated a substantial amount of the voter base. that's something you can spend the money on. except tv. last thing i'd like to say, this is a fight after november 3. i guarantee that with all the money raised across the races and on both side, not enough has been spent with minority firms. that's extraordinarily important. >> that was made earlier. one of the points he made was that now you look at spanish language tv and there are ton of ads in spanish. when they could have been spending the money months ago to try to get an early before the voice were crowded out. can i ask you about two of the big races in southern states. lindsey graham with harrison. and then the race between mcgrath and mitch mcconnell. it feels like those two races are would be gold stars for the democratic senate caucus. if they can unseat those two. particularly mitch mcconnell because everything that democrats want to do seems to stop by his very existence. what's your sense of how the races are going? >> wow. if the democrats pull off those two seats they are closer to 60 than to 51. that will be a day reckoning. no doubt. what's interesting talking about how do you spend a lot of money. harrison decided to support a third party candidate who has called himself more conservative than lindsey graham. there are ways to be get a message out there when you have extra cash on hand. and use it effectively. that can be one of the ways he's successful. when you look at mcconnell, i don't think he's as vulnerable as it looks. the money raised was against him. and sending a signal and a message. but you never know in this environment. anything can happen. >> with regard to mitch mcconnell's race. i wonder what it says if mitch mcconnell remains a senator in the same state that has been royaled by protests over breonna taylor. if i was running against mcconnell, that would be my hot campaign issue. asking him about that morning, noon and night. i don't want to presume that will be enough to put a candidate over the top. how do you think it will factor into the kentucky race? >> it's certainly a factor. particularly fund raising in a year where this is a major civil rights issue. the killing of unarmed black people by police. we have seen it be a major issue nationwide. in kentucky, particularly you have a one two punch of that and the coronavirus. which is in a lot of southern states has proven to be the game changer. the polls in places like texas and south carolina. and georgia. people are they still like trump when it comes to the economy. but they don't. they are losing faith in his ability to handle the crisis. he hasn't. and know you can't rebound an economy without getting the virus under control. there are multiple factors here. i agree that kentucky will be a tough race for mcconnell to lose. but he could very well be on track to lose the senate majority leader position. if enough democratic energy behind the response to the coronavirus and civil rights and racial justice issues propel democrats nationwide. >> i want you to know that it's your fault i am hearing campaign ads playing in my head. my mind is writing them in the back of my head. i'm struggling to focus. i blame you for that. >> write all of them you want. you have to get people to hire you. that's what we're talking about. minority owned firms. >> i have no plausible deniability. we'll talk about it later. thank you tw of you for being cool about this. i appreciate you making time. thank you. back to my day job. i hope you'll join me next week. i'll will helping out with the election coverage. anchoring monday through friday from noon to 2:00 p.m. eastern. watch on peacock, you tube and major streaming devices. and online. first time voters are often teens or 20 somethings. we'll meet newcomers who have been around a while. many titles. hall of famer. olympian. tv pitch man. this year he added a new one. voter. he says this was his first election. at age of 48. he's not alone in this. tons of americans have sat out every election until this one. we spoke to a few of them about what makes this year different. >> i actually am somebody that never wanted to vote. >> i thought one vote won't matter. >> i couldn't hold a intelligent conversation about politics with anyone. >> the idea that nobody in office really cares about us. >> i didn't really even pay attention to what was going on. >> i didn't know anything about donald trump or joe biden. until just this last year. i'm a smart girl. but not educated like i felt like i needed to be. i had nothing to say. >> i didn't vote in 2016. i always told myself it didn't matter. you're not a part of the problem. watching now, i was a part of the problem. i didn't stand up and register. >> this year i'm going to matter. and my vote does count. and i'm going to have a say in how i'm represented. and my daughters for the next four years at least. >> i really have to spend a lot of time researching and so now i have realized that my vote is my voice. >> my son who is heavily into politics had really got me to start paying attention. start looking at things that are going on. and it got me questioning wondering why is this the way it is. why is that that way. i decided i can't sit back and be quiet. and be silent. i have to sign up and vote. something has to give. >> i have opinions that matter now. i think it's going to be awesome. look around. there's a new campaign strategy among us. my fellow gamers are in on the joke. so is new york congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. she did something this week to get out the vote. that's rather unusual but probably should be common. ocasio-cortez and minnesota congresswoman live streamed thepss on the video platform twitch. playing among us. a murder mystery online game. as they encourage viewers to vote. it takes place in space. players are the crew mates. one of them is an imposter. chosen at random. the object of the game is to complete the task on the craft, and eject the imposter into space. if you are the imposter your goal is sabotage the task. kill the crew and not get caught. since tuesday more than 5 million people have watched this live stream. joining us us now a contributor for launcher. a section of the "washington post" that covers gaming and e sports. welcome. >> thank you for having me on. >> what is it about among us that makes it so much fun? >> the thing about it the easiest way is it takes a tv game show formatt and into a new medium. you are combining the survivor, clue, the board game. and adding all the things that have made gaming popular. twitch the online the interactive element. importantly it's easy to pick up. it's not requiring to click a million times per second or watch a who's coming around the corner and shoot them. so it's a accessibility and classic sort of elements from tv game shows that people loved for a long time. >> and you can play it on a smart phone. you don't need a fancy controller. what is twitch? >> twitch the easiest way is it's a platform that allows gamers to broadcast themselves playing video games. and it's interactive in a sense. there's usually a person in the bottom corner as their little window. and then people can chat and interact. and from a median standpoint think of it like the next phase of radio. we put it in the article that came out. >> how was this live stream with aoc and omar received? it's easy for people from one generation trying to reach out to a yupger generation to feel like greetings fellow youth. let's talk about the cable television. and it goes off really badly. this seems to go well. >> it was the meme he's hello fellow kid. there was none of that. one of her gifts is relatability. she can come into the mediums and platforms. and talk normally to people. it doesn't feel scripted. she's speaking their language. and able to be authentic. even with the terminology she uses. and any club. if you're able to use the terminology and act like people are usually acting you fit in. it was a hit. over 400,000 people can currently watching it. fourth most popular stream on twitch ever. maybe higher if you include the concurrent streams taking place. from that standpoint it was all tremendous spark of success. in terms of getting people to vote that is remains to be seen. >> this was a stream with two women. particularly two women of color. and the online gaming world hz had tremendous problems with sexism and racism. in a number of corners. gamer gate. this huge scandal about just really borish behavior. by some juvenile dudes online. who thought it was cool it say all kind of awful things to women. and people of color online. i don't know if that stood out to you. that aspect of it really stood out. >> absolutely. it's one of the first things that myself and my editor noticed. we covered it had. we really did a deep dive. it was last year. just looking to see why is this so difficult? why can't the platforms begin to handle these things and create incentive to not do it. they have done it to a certain extent. this is a lingering problem in the gaming community. one that is slowly being addressed certainly not fast enough. but i'm glad you brought it up. this i think we'll look back and see it was a for gaming community and politics. the more that the sort of that behavior is not normalized and acceptable, it was great. >> last five seconds. ps 5 or x box series x? >> i have to stay neutral. >> smart man. i was trying to get you in trouble. i'm sorry. >> thank you. >> ps 5. that's just me. last night we asked you how you became woke. what was your political awakening? we'll share your stories before we go. let's get to some of your e-mails. we asked what happened to or around you that made you politically aware. how did you get woke? lots of you wrote about vietnam. norma from richmond, texas, writes, i was in my early teens and had a friend who had been there and told us how our soldiers didn't believe in the war, which made my question it. i listened to some of the news shows and realized we shouldn't be there, but too many politicians were doing the bidding of large corporations. i also learned about racial injustice during those years. the music back then was about living together in peace and caring for each other. i still catch myself singing country joe and the fishes "next stop is vietnam." it still gets to me and that mood feels appropriate during this time. greg from independence, kentucky, writes, i was a freshman in the late '70s and my high school was doing a mock election reagan vs. carter. i asked my mom for advise. she said vote for whoever the republican is. this was in kentucky, which still has a straight party option. this made me skeptical and got me thinking, there's got to be more to it than that. so i dug into some newspaper coverage, liked carter, but eventually decided on the independent, john anderson. i've been following politics ever since. paul in bloomington, minnesota, writes, my political awakening happened on september 11th, 2001, on the day our nation was attacked i started paying attention. the first thing i saw was our nation traumatized by terrorism. the second thing i saw was the hateful retaliatory attacks against muslims by white citizens. that was my introduction to a true understanding of the difference between racism and anti-racism and my responsibility as a white american to work toward anti-racism. by the way, that term anti-racist refers to actively raising your awareness of racial issues and proactively helping root out racism in everyday life. rebecca writes, as a young 16-year-old who's part native american, my political awakening came when i found a book on the american indian movement and leonard pelt fell on my lap at the library. i then walked across the country until my feet bled into the ground with the american indian movement when i was 19 years old on the walk across america for mother earth. i ended up becoming a native american activist, albeit silenced for 32 years and a national bernie sanders delegate. so many amazing stories. thank you for sharing them all. finally, a correction. in my essay last night i mentioned christa mcauliffe, the schoolteacher who died in the challenger explosion. i incorrectly said she had taught in palm beach county, where i'm from. according to nasa, she actually taught in maryland and new hampshire. the error probably took root in my brain because palm beach county has a christa mcauliffe middle school. regardless, i should have triple checked it. sorry about that. sit tight. steve kornacki is up next with a one-hour election special. until we meet again, i'm joshua johnson. thank you for making time for us and make it a wonderful week. good night. i remember coming out to the truck. put in the key and then kaboom. >> the first thing i said to myself when i heard the explosion was, "oh, my goodness, what was that?" >> she said that there was an explosion, and my mom's truck blew up. >> the police told me, "this bomb was meant for you." >> and they say to you, "who does not like you enough to try?" >> i could think of no one. >> if i were the guy out there watching "
for them. coming through the atmosphere heating up to 3,000 degrees fahrenheit as it hits the atmosphere that's described as the wlakout zone where you don't have radio communication because they can't travel through and inside but it's not unkrf. a little bit when they pile up a little bit and takes more effort to breathe but not too big of a deal andrea mitchell went through my mind as well and that was the big event for me. >> talk to us about the process for getting out of the spacecraft after that landing. how long does it take to get used to being back on land? >> and it may feel a little bit like in the ocean and time for the inner ear to get used to having gravity, i use the support as an opportunity to raise money for st. jude's children research hospital. one of the seeds to be part of this mission raised is 13 million in auction. >> jared held the fundraiser for st. jude's children hospital. >> and that there, i imagine that was reentry. >> it sounded like reentry. it might have been breaking down as they came in through here. i'm not a nasa scientist, but pretty cool. that took place all around here. looked up to see and fine seeing it and parachutes in sight. >> talk us through what we are watching at this moment. >> exactly right, yes. coming down. and parachutes comfortable, the vehicle down so that whatever it hits the water is not a terrible g force. doesn't impact to damage the crew or the vehicle. >> how about perhaps a silly question which is can the people inside hear that cheering that's coming from the ground? at what point do they know how excited everyone else is for them? >> probably can't hear the cheering. >> all four are out. and have a relatively soft landing in the ocean and ready nearby to pick them up. great news. >> doctor, of course, there will be people who watch this and say, no thank you and there are going to be people who watch this and say, how do i hop on board? what is your advice to anyone not an astronaut, maybe eaten some space ice cream but hoping to go to space one day? what does it take physically to endure this? >> it's getting a lot easier with leroy, when we applied to be astronauts, there was quite a ross and medical evaluation to make sure you were particularly able but as these days, more and more automated, the ships comply so that's pretty well and so you don't have to go through all rigors of the medical evaluations that perhaps we had to do when we were first joining nasa with the professional astronaut. if you're not going to stay out very long, tolerate more and more imperfections physically and if you're going to stay out for months at a time though, and you want to do a job in space, much more important to make sure your body is ready to accept the weightlessness and rigors of being in space. >> i understand that splashdown, we are watching now imminent. can you give us a sense of what the mood is on the ground, what is it that you were seeing there? >> i told you, people are just constantly looking up. we don't think we'll be able to see anything and we haven't been able to see any of the parachutes from where we are right now. everybody is looking around. they have and see the space capsule but we're just a minute away from this historic touchdown but you can just feel that people are excited about what is happening right now. >> it is very exciting to watch. >> what is the moment people in mission control say our work here is done? >> big event was parachute deployed and they splashed down. >> less than 10. there we are. upright. >> let's listen. folks. >> inspiration 4. on behalf of spacex. welcome home to earth. showed the world that space is for all of us and everyday people can make extraordinary impacts in the world around them. thank you for sharing your leadership, hope, generosity, and prosperity. >> heck of a ride. >> this is, kind of reminds me of going in the spacecraft. the capsule. of course, we didn't splash down. we landed on land, but it's kind of the similar impact. bobbing around in the sea. seasickness, per se. but anyway, it's a great deal to be back on earth. pick them up and open the hatch and get them outside to take that first breath of earth air. >> what is the first breath of earth air like? >> it's an interesting experience. you get sights and sounds that you don't realize. whatever happens outside whether it's the salty air there, whenever they open the hatch down there with the fresh air first thing and a lot of people talking about the sound of birds, they're not used to hearing. very interesting. >> let me ask you as they wait to be picked up and wait for someone to open the hatch, is there, then, any type of medical evaluation on the other side of this and what does that evaluation look like? >> i'm sure that these will have some medical evaluation. they're feeling okay and don't have any reference lines to look at to make sure that you don't get seasick, but that shouldn't be too much. get a general medical check but shouldn't have too many for very long. >> leroy, as these splashdown happened, you heard the announcer saying this is the first step towards space being accessible to all. is that what you see in our future, leroy? >> this is a first step. demonstrated an autonomous vehicle can take an amateur crew to space and bring them back safely. as far as access for the quote unquote average person, the cost is way up there. spacex has done pretty incredible things like flying back, refurbishing and using them and the price of launch and still talking to tens of millions of dollars for the rocket and if you divide that by four seats, still a pretty big number for most of them. jared it's still out of reach for most of us. >> right. it will certainly raise questions about who it is, for who space is accessible. what we've watched today, what it means about the future of space travel. >> i am currently working at a competitor for spacex and we are also striving to ensure that more and more people have access and trying to bring that cost down. we are planning to offer up space plane so that we'll be able to come back on the runway. much like the shuttle did in the shuttle days. and keep the cost of launch low like bring that cost down. that's the biggest so we'll continue to work on bringing the countdown last producing the vehicles in a greater way. so those costs come down as well. it is all automated. it will be all automated for all future vehicles. it does become a lot easier as we progress over time. the next two or three years, next decade or so. >> we have to imagine that after a historic flight like, there is a massive debrief that happens that looks at the run-up to it, that looks at everything that was planned and looks at launch, that looks at their time in space, that looks at the splashdown that we have just watched, talk us through the questions that they have going to be asking and the information they are going to be looking for to make sure that the next time they do this because there will be a next time, that it is done even more seamlessly. >> after each mission, a number of debriefs. this mission should be no different. all the experts will want to hear from the crew and what their impressions were. and specialists from all the different systems and subsystems and so yeah, the process will take a while. this is normal for a space flight. after each space flight, detailed debrief on all the different systems and processes and then everybody tries to learn lessons from the debriefs. >> what we're watching is the boats that are going to the craft in the spacecraft in order to open the hatch to get out of the spacecraft. all watching eagerly as that happens. doctor, what are the questions that you would be asking and as you watch this happen, what is the information you wish you had at your fingertips to understand how this happened, how this went down, how it might look different in the future? >> it is a very common thing to do after every space flight. make sure that if there was anything that went wrong or anything that didn't go as perfectly as we had planned, we would really dig into that, that there wasn't a safety issue and didn't have close to have an accident and anything at all suspicious, we really take a hard look at it. there are things we can make it more pleasant in the future and maybe the food can be improved and bathroom can be improved. really focus on the safety concerns and make sure that there wasn't anything that went wrong that shouldn't have gone wrong and if there was, there's always a way to fix it so that it won't go wrong in the future. >> leroy, talk us through the feeling that these civilian astronauts, i mean, the civilians who flew must be feeling as that hatch door is finally opened. what is it for you as an astronaut that runs through your mind? >> well, of course, it's excitement, it's euphoria, it's a feeling of mission accomplished, and then you get up. then you sit up or stand up and get out of the vehicle and boy, are you dizzy and that could be provocative, make you feel nauseous, make you feel unsteady. the excitement, the adrenaline gets you through and probably the biggest thing, the emotional. we went up there and did it. >> that is the thing that even i just sitting here and watching this can't get over which is the adrenaline rush this must be. we talked a lot about the physical manifestations coming off of the craft, sort of feeling where you are. psychologically, what is likely going through their minds as they experience what they have experienced, knowing they've made history and now exiting this spacecraft? >> well, yeah, i think it is euphoria, it is a sense of relief because they realize what they did is relatively dangerous. i mean, they launched on a rocket, went into space. there's a vacuum of space, came back through the atmosphere, very high temperatures. parachutes all open and splashed down and they're okay. so that is a huge sense of relief, but i think that next they'll be thinking about i cannot wait to tell my family and my friends what the experience is like and i hope that i can share my experiences in the way that really makes a difference to people and hopefully allow more and more people to have the personal experience. >> my friend, i think that we have if yow back. if we do, would you walk us through the ticktock from what happens now until that crew makes it to dry land? >> we believe, first of all, there's a recovery vessel that's out there, recovery ship from spacex that just went out yesterday to get them. that capsule is going to be brought on to that recovery vessel and now we're being told they're going to be to dry land some time tonight and there's a grand celebration that is planned with some major celebrities. and somewhere here in florida, the time frame for that is still not clear. i just want to point out, as we take a look at that picture and you see them there in the atlantic, that's a big deal. it's been decades since astronauts have landed or have splashed down in the atlantic ocean. the previous dragon capsules splashed down in the gulf of mexico and before then, of course, we have the space shuttle. so this is a big deal for nasa. the reason they're over there is because of the weather conditions and how it worked out but still kind of cool to see. >> it is cool to see. leroy, as i hear candace describe the welcome reception that these civilians are going to be getting a celebration with celebrities, leroy, i'll imagine when you land and you wanted to get home and have a hot shower, am i right? >> it's interesting because as it is one of the first things we all want to do is take a nice hot shower. the hygiene system works well but using a wet towel to towel yourself off is not nearly as satisfying as a hot shower, but absolutely, yeah, you're looking forward to a hot shower and looking forward to being reunited with your family and loved ones, tell them all about the experience. >> doctor, i don't know if you were able to hear ken just talk us through what is going to happen from the time that these civilians, do you deboard the aircraft, get on board this boat, make it back to land? how does that square with the normal exit plan when there are astronauts on board? >> well, when the astronauts are on board, make sure they're okay first. make sure they're not going to feel sick. you're going to make sure that they come off safely, they can walk under their own and do some general physical evaluations and just make sure that everything is working right. most people with the you're euphoria, but really make sure they don't come back as well as others but they may want to sit down and just chill for a little bit longer. >> that was definitely after any high adrenaline situation. you've been there all day. you have watched crowds gather. i am wondering if the crowds are still there, if the energy is as high as it has been all today. how are people responding? >> well, i think people are still looking around. they know that something big happened. they don't know exactly what and exactly where. we know that it's somewhere off the atlantic ocean, but i'll tell you, we've been here at the space coast for about a day or two covering this and in the build-up to this moment, you really get a sense at, the people who live here or the people who visit here are proud and happy that we're back in space. and it's a full circle moment also, and earlier this morning, i spoke with two of christa's former students. they watched with nervousness as these four civilians made their way to space on wednesday. they were hoping for the best, but they were glad that it went off and they were saying that christa mcauliffe would have definitely wanted this to happen and would have been proud at this moment. of course, christa mcauliffe was supposed to be the first civilian in space in 1986 before the challenger blew up. amazing moment. >> amazing moment indeed. leroy, we talked about the civilians who were on board. what it is that they have just experienced, the way they're going to process it once they are back on dry land. we talked about the people in mission control who are watching this all happen and making sure this all happened, goes off without a hitch. we have not talked about the loved ones of the civilians on board. i have to admit, watching this myself, excited, nervous. what goes through the minds of the family members of the coworkers, of people who know those four civilians both as they launched and now as we are watching the splashdown. understand what you can do and can't do, and you decided that the award is worth it and relatively easy. a good friend of the person which is a different story. the astronaut office, had a few married couples. they can tell you it's really hard to watch their spouse go and fly whereas it's not that big of a deal for you yourself to get into the vehicles. and the good friends, the ones that were stressed out and worried about, the people inside, they were excited. >> incredible moment. we talked about what it means for those of us who are watching. talk to me historically. when we look back on this in a few years and we say watch as this splashdown happened, all civilian spacex flight, what is it we're going to be remembering and what is it we're going to be asking? >> i think it's just the first of many future flights that will happen and the analogy of discovering the new world, the next frontier and really lower orbit is our next frontier. we're going to be building additional space stations over time. we're going to send people to work and live in space. we'll have some professionals that will help build the vehicles and platforms in space and a lot of people that want to go visit as tourists. it may be a hotel in space where you can go live and just watch the earth for a while and if we're fortunate enough to have the money to do that, you can do that sooner, but over time, really want to bring the cost down so it is accessible to more and more people. but the historic aspect is that this is the first time we had the all civilian crew and the future, ten years from now, we want to make this a very routine thing. first time happened here today. but in the future, it shouldn't be any more special probably than a commercial airliner taking off. now, that may not be a decade, maybe a couple of decades, but we want to make it routine and safe so that a lot of people will have access. >> leroy, i hear the doctor talking about working and living from space and what that raises for me is wow, that is a whole new meaning to remote work. what do you think when we look back at this and all say ten years ago, 20 years ago, we watched this happen? what is it we're going to remember about this civilian space launch? >> we're going to remember that this was the first fully autonomous flight with amateurs on board with no professionals, no manual flying back-up and this is the first time it appears to have gone on flawlessly and janet said it kicks off the possible of future missions where you don't have to have professionals on board for the spacecraft can be automated and a high degree of confidence that it will open some doors. of course, the price is still going to be a barrier to entry and it's a matter of can we bring the cost of access to space down? spacex has already done an amazing job of bringing that price down by probably a factor of 3, 4, or 5 but t got to come down a lot more before we can have the analogy of getting up and buying a ticket on an airline. >> as someone who's been watching this story all day, i am sure that one of the questions top of mind is what is next? where does this go from here? as you have been asking that question of those around you. what is the refrain? >> i should just point out, just imagine that these folks on the disney cruise might see when they get off the atlantic ocean. they think they're going for a nice little tour and what are all of these boats doing out here? it will be interesting. so here's the thing about what's next. this opens up to a sighting era for space travel. you have nasa planning already another mission to the international space station, as many of the astronauts alluded to international space station in spring of next year. that will have civilians on board. that, of course, is a lot more tricky than what we had here that was such an automated flight. that includes some docking of the international space station which was really, really a difficult thing. and then you have some casual plans like elon musk hoping to send people around the moon within three years. i should point out that elon musk offered congratulations on twitter as well to inspiration four and then there are some less important aspects that might take place. tom cruise, you see the tweet right there from elon musk. tom cruise talks to do a movie in space. russians ahead on that game. they plan to shoot a movie in space come next month. i think the rocket going to the international space station, but crews have been in talks to a big blockbuster movie in space. so a lot of different things are opening up as a result of these inspiring four making it to space safely and back. >> absolutely. i wonder, leroy, as you hear candace talk about what is being buzzed about the future, hollywood from space. can you believe it? >> well, there have been actually some prominent hollywood people in the past that have talked to nasa and the russians about doing exactly that. shooting a movie in space or at least parts of the movies in space. and none of those went anywhere but this makes access a little easier because now we've got a commercial provider that can provide a craft that is autonomous and now they're not autonomously docking to the station or actually are but they always have a manual back-up with the professional ready to take control but this is a first demonstration that we can send people into space and the autonomous vehicle safely. >> so we keep throwing around the words autonomous and for those of us who have been not been in a spacecraft, it might not be immediately clear to us what that means these folks are doing and not doing. can you talk us through the things that would need to be automated in order for a civilian to get on board? >> pretty much everything. automated the launch sequence but it is an automated process. the flight trajectory is in the spacecraft. people from the ground can monitor that, but it will follow the trajectory that it's designed to follow. it corrects for the winds. it corrects for altitude. and then when you get to space, the ground can control or it can be an automated system that circularizes the orbit and same thing that can be done from the inside and can be done from the ground. so pretty much when you have an inexperienced crew, you want to make sure that we can take control over all of the systems, control anything you need to from the ground or have an automated on board so that the inexperienced crews don't have to make input to the vehicle to cause important things to happen. >> so i believe what we are seeing on the right hand of the screen is the back of the recovery vehicle. my producer will correct me if i am wrong. we are told that the top of the capsule lifts in about five minutes, so you are all sticking with me and talking through this with me because leroy, we have talked a lot about the fact that these are civilians and not, you know, there doesn't need to be a high level of skill but i imagine that there had to be some level of prep involved. you talk us through what that would have to look like? >> they spent several months training with spacex and of course, a lot of it was how to take care of yourself and pressure suit on and off and how to control, take care of your pressure suit and how to plug in to the spacecraft and how to look at the display and monitor. they didn't have a lot of control because they weren't trying to manually fly the vehicle and there was no capability to really manually fly the vehicle. so a big part of the training wasn't there and as janet pointed out, of course, the mission control center commands the spacecraft and so and even the spacecraft is capable of autonomously orbiting itself. some reason communications are lost, and so everything has been thought through but the crew did go through a lot of training. it wasn't just a simple matter of stepping on board. >> you know, this mission was a fundraiser for st. jude's children's hospital. they say they have raised $157 million today. i wonder what you make of that, doctor, the sort of interest in what it is we're watching and the possibility of using it as a fundraising mechanism. >> it's the possibility and you want to make the world a better place through space flight. we want to ensure what we learn up there, we bring back to the earth. really worthy cause. there are things like the medical research that we have done and will do in space. just think about the possibility of 3d printing organs in space that you can't really print on the ground because of gravitational forces, but might be able to print those on the orbit and bring down a kidney or bring down a heart or something that right now, unfortunately, you have to wait for someone to have an accident and you have to have a donor. what if we could do that in the future without having the negative thing happen? what if we could put those things in orbit and put people on the ground with research? anything like that where we can make the world a better place and seek the health and the safety and long-term benefits of our planet and healthier, better place to live because of what we do in orbit, that's what we want to do. >> and for those of you who are with us, who are watching the rigging set-up is complete. they're going to be lifting the vehicle in a few minutes, so stay with us because we're not going to want to miss that. candace, can you talk us through who these civilians are on board the spacecraft? >> you know, we keep talking, alicia, about how this is a history-making trip. all civilians. but these aren't your ordinary civilians. they have been doing some amazing work. they have been interested in space for quite some time. except for hailey arseno. she found out, does it mean i'm going to the moon? we haven't been to the moon in 50 years, a cute moment. but then isaac, a 38-year-old billionaire who made his money during some online payment system, he's the money guy. he's the guy that wrote the check and said i'm going to pay for this entire mission. he approached spacex years ago and said whenever you're ready to be able to take civilians to space, i want to be the first. spacex approached him and said, i think we're ready and so that started the entire process. there's hailey arseno, the youngest american to make it into space. she suffered from bone cancer, she's a survivor of bone cancer. she works at st. jude's hospital and as a physician assistant, that is, of course, where she was a patient for so many years. and because of hailey, she's the first person with a prosthetic body part to be able to make it into space. that has never happened before. so the youngest and first with a prosthetic body part to make it to space and then there's sian. any images on the takeoff, when they're in space, any of the civilians with smiles from ear to ear, sian proctor. she's tried several times before. she's 51 years old. won this through a contest in social media and a couple of things about her as well. only the third black woman to be able to make it into space. history in all of this and first black woman to pilot a space vessel, involved in the apollo program. took a note that neil armstrong gave her dad up in the capsule in there and kristen who won it through a sweepstakes in the seattle area with lockheed martin and he is a father. his wife was a little worried about him going up in space but he was a camp counselor at alabama's famed space camp. a lot of people excited to get into space and know the dangers that they were facing. >> and we are, of course, watching the capsule inch closer and closer. it is my understanding that the crew is still strapped in. leroy, of course, a big part as you heard is the splashdown, the possibility of space opening up to all. that, of course, is very much contingent upon cost. this is, of course, right now, not accessible to most people. what would it take to make it so? >> i think what it's going to take is a breakthrough propulsion system. rocket engines with a lot of moving parts, in the case of cryogenic rocket engines, spinning turbo pumps. all that has to work well perfectly every time and that's why it's so expensive. so it's going to take a breakthrough propulsion system where we can reliably and inexpensively put the energy into a vehicle to get it up into orbital velocity and then see the price come dramatically down. spacex has done a great job using the conventional rocket engine and recovering and brought down the price tag dramatically. i think to get to the next quantum level, you're going to have to have some big propulsion breakthrough. >> and leroy, let me say. cost is one part of the obstacle. what are the other obstacles to truly getting to a place where all or space is accessible to all? >> it really is coming down to cost. so elon musk is actually working on that. spacex not sitting still. developing the star ship and falcon heavy. the economics, elon musk said the economics could allow it to actually do point to point travel on the earth, that is, have the system launch from one point and then possibly land on another part of the earth and then says -- >> leroy, i do want to ask you because i'm not sure that you can see the images but we're seeing the spacecraft and you can see some of the marks that were left by reentry. what do the marks on the spacecraft, what do they indicate and what can they tell us about the process of reentry? >> sure. you're traveling at 17,500 miles an hour when you're in orbit and that's because you put all that energy, rocket engines put all that energy into the vehicle to allow it to travel that fast. that's the speed it takes to maintain orbit. when you come down, you've got to take that energy out. so you've got a heat shield and use air friction to take the energy out. the heat shield gets up to 3,000 degrees fahrenheit and the plaza going around the spacecraft burns the heat shield. there's some other thermal protection material around the rest of the capsule and kind of scars it. scorches it a little bit. and that's what you're seeing is the markings, the hot plasma that actually is burning a little bit. the heat shielding, the rest of the spacecraft. >> you are watching dragon now officially on its recovery vessel. doctor, can you talk to us about what happens next? >> they'll make sure that everything is secure inside the vehicle. they'll make sure that the pressure is equalized between the inside and the outside of the vehicle so that it doesn't injure anyone and then they will open the door and they will start helping the people inside to unbuckle and to bring them out one at a time. pretty crowded space. and they may be disoriented a little bit so they will help them come out of the spaceship one at a time. >> people are feeling pretty good, they may have already unbuckled and gotten themselves ready to lift the hatch. if they're not feeling so good, they may still be in their seat. >> i have to admit, candace earlier was walking us through the ticktock of what would happen from the moment of the splashdown until what is happening now. it is easy to imagine that it would happen sort of in the blink of an eye. of course, they're being very careful, very deliberate. leroy, is this generally how long this process takes? >> yes, of course, you have to save the vehicle. as janet mentioned. and make sure it's safe for the rescue crew to approach and they have, of course, brought the vehicle on board the ship and make sure the crew is ready for hatch opening and that's very important that the pressure is equalized. it should be by now and, you know, everyone is ready to go and then they open up the hatch and it's a fairly simple procedure and they'll go in one by one and evaluate the crew on board and take them out one by one and should be pretty soon thousand. >> i'm told that we are going to be seeing the crew. you see them there. we're going to see them exiting the craft in about ten minutes. so if you want to see that, definitely stick with us. candace, when you were out in the field as you are watching a live event, a historic event, there is always a plan, there is always a ticktock. we study it deeply, and then we watch and we wait to see what has happened. over the course of today, how much has expectation met reality in that regard, candace? >> a thousand percent, i would say. a thousand percent. it has been the sort of precision that takes place when it comes to space travel. the reentry, the orbiting process started exactly at 6:16 p.m. the splashdown, right at 7:06 p.m. as well. all the process here is what was expected to take place. we're going to lose a signal there out from what i could see from the feed shortly. they're expected to have a press conference about less than an hour from now. it is what we call the phoner. the press conference with the mission control folks. it's expected to be roughly about a half hour after the astronauts are safe and sound on the ship and on their way in here. but everything has worked out just as everyone expected. i want to talk about quickly the st. jude charity aspect of it as we watched this happen, alicia. it is a big deal. i spoke with the kids from st. jude who actually spoke with the civilians who were there in space from the space station. you cannot imagine how much it just made them glow up knowing that they were able to speak with folks from space. and i asked one of them, the girl from louisiana, who is 11 years old. has kidney cancer, in recovery right now. i asked him if it made him want to go to space and he's like, nah, scary. i want to be a doctor at st. jude. they're inspiring some to go to space and others to just do good. like connor and others. such a great feel good moment for the country. and we need it. >> i want to ask you, i believe what we're watching, not the images. pull up the other images of the spacecraft because i believe they're pressurizing the cab in. talk us what it entails and what it will feel like for the folks inside. >> when you come back from an aircraft and you're flying and you're coming down, both coming up and going down, you feel the pressure in your ear as the airplane maintains pressure because the outside pressure decreasing the higher you go. when you come back down, it's the opposite effect. recalibrate your ears and make sure that your pressure inside your ear, part of your ear that has the eardrum of the inside and outside, that's the same thing we're doing with the hatch on the vehicle. makes sure that the pressure inside the vehicle is the same as the air pressure on the outside of the vehicle, so that when they open the hatchet, it doesn't pop out and possibly injure somebody. it's just the slow leak that opens up the valve and makes it celebrate, higher pressure. high pressure to the low pressure and with the door, it's like opening the door on the aircraft. >> so for those of you who are watching with us on the right side that is the civilian crew inside the cabin waiting for it to be pressurized. you can see they will right there on the right side of your screen. leroy, i got to imagine that they are antsy and ready to get off or they're going to want to stay what happened on the space station for a while. >> going to be a press conference following this. what, leroy, is the information that will be shared at a press conference like that? what are the details that they will want to make sure everybody has? >> really, the crew on board will be there to say thank you to everyone and talk about what a great mission it was and how successful it was and probably take questions as the natural flow of these kinds of things so it really depends on the journalists and the audiences, what they want to know. >> stand by for opening. there it is. >> standing by for the opening. >> coming up in about ten seconds. you could see the side is officially open. so exciting waves from the crew. >>. >> so we have members of the recovery team inside the capsule with the crew members. they're doing some checkouts to make sure everything is good before the crew is exit but this is certainly very, very exciting. again, that hatch has been closed and sealed for three days. first time it opened since we lifted off wednesday september 15th and fist bumps from jared, i'm sure the entire crew is super excited. >> you can see them waving. lots of excitement from the crew as they're getting ready to egress the dragon spacecraft. >> tendis, tell us what it is looking like from where you stand right now. >> things have died down a little bit here at port canaveral. again, that recovery shift, once it's done with its business there, and the crew is from that ship to the mainland here. that recovery ship is going to return right here to port canaveral and we'll do this all over again at some point in the near future. most of the people who were hanging out around here have pretty much gone home for the evening. the sun has set in this area. but still possibly some excitement that you can feel with anybody that you kind of see. see some strangers and smiling at you and we know that -- >> looks like they are -- >> not too far from where we are. and as we look at the folks in the hatch, i can't wait to see the smile on sian proctor's face because as i mentioned, very excited about all of this. i was talking to victor glover, an astronaut that just returned and the same little vessel right now, the dragon, just returned from space in the dragon in this past spring in late april after the international space station. a couple of things and go from zero gravity to about five times your body weight in less than an hour. pretty trippy. it was worse for him because of zero gravity for six months and been in it for three days but they are civilians. they haven't done it that often. they haven't felt nine months of training. out of the capsule when they are given the opportunity. for victor, he wasn't necessarily able to fully walk out of the capsule when he did. his mission commander though, gave a big thumbs up. i think they were just happy to be back. >> yeah, i am sure that they were. the thumbs up. always a good sign. leroy, we are waiting. we are watching for the civilian crew to exit the capsule. when we do, when we see those images, there you see them there all smiles. lots of thumbs up making some heart signs. so trying to tell us that they are happy and well. we will hear from them soon enough. but leroy, as we wait, as we wait for them to exit the capsule, what is that moment? what is that visual going to signify for the future of space travel? >> i think the crew emerging happy and healthy as we just saw there, all smiles and thumbs up, which is a great sign. that means they're all adapting, adapting well to gravity and tendice pointed out, they'll be coming up and showing everyone this is doable and so even for an hasn't had the experience, the professional training of a professional astronaut, you can do this and come back and be okay. >> doctor, they have been in zero gravity for the last three days. i have asked you to sort of explain what that feels like. since we are about to watch them exit the -- the capsule, i want to ask you, again, to talk us through what their bodies currently feel like and what is going to feel like when they are finally able to stand up and exit that capsule. talk us through it. >> yeah. so when you go to space, your -- your body adapts to micro -- microgravity pretty quickly. um, what happens is the fluids in the lower half of your torso and your legs equilibrate. your eyeballs may feel like they are bulging a little bit. but over a couple days, you lose that extra water. and -- and so, you feel really comfortable in space. then when you come back down, the reverse happens, right? when you come back down and you feel gravity again, all that -- that fluid that was in your head and your up torso goes back down into your legs and your lower torso. and so, if you are up there for longer periods of time, your blood pressure doesn't really -- the vascular system doesn't really push the -- the fluids back up into your brain so that your brain, you know, gets everything it needs, all the blood that it needs. so some people have the -- when they stand up too quickly, the blood drains down and they might faint. so when the doctor's going to watch them and the people around them. they will watch to make sure that when they stand up or maybe when they turn their head quickly, that it doesn't cause them to be dizzy. it doesn't cause them to be lightheaded and that they can actually walk on their own. i -- i remember when i came off the shuttle -- um -- the numerous times i did, there was always somebody behind me just in case i would lose my balance, and they would catch anybody who was a little bit off -- >> and i believe that we were watching that right now. if you are watching the left side of your screen -- >> in ten seconds, the first person is out. >> we are told from mission control, she was the first to exit the craft. now, seems there is someone else exiting. but part of what i am noticing -- oh, now. there you can see it from the other angle. >> medical officer hayley arceneaux has now egressed the vehicle. the first of the "inspiration4" crew and so, very excited. lots of waves. thumbs up. >> and, leroy, it strikes me that as the doctor said, you can see multiple people standing there waiting to spot her. >> absolutely. yep. >> next is dr. sian proctor. >> this is very exciting for the crew to be exiting the capsule, and finishing their inspiration 4 mission. a mission that's done so much for folks around the world. >> yes, absolutely inspiring all the way around. just an incredible mission with an incredible crew. >> here comes dr. sian proctor. >> look at dr. sian proctor. >> there she is. excited as ever. dr. sian proctor. oh, i love it. love it. >> there, you have dr. sian proctor not just walking but really grooving her way off that vessel. >> looks like mission specialist chris sembroski is up next to egress the vehicle. looks like some dancing there. again, there is crew there to help them egress, to make sure that they do not damage -- um -- their suits or themselves on their way out. [ cheers and applause ] >> and that is chris sembroski, again, the mission specialist. again, with a smile all over his face. superexcited. ready to go. >> yeah. there we go. last, but not least, we have commander jared isaacman getting ready to egress the vehicle, as well. the final-fourth "inspiration4" crew member of the first all-civilian crew mission to orbit. >> and what a way to close it out. he was really the -- um -- the -- the person with the vision. >> there he is. commander jared isaacman of the "inspiration4" crew. so excited. it's amazing. amazing. >> handshakes and hugs all around. >> now, they will be doing standard procedure. going into the medical room on the recovery vessel. and doing some medical checks to make sure that the crew is safe and healthy. um, and then they will hop on a helicopter and head back to florida. >> yeah. well now that jared, hayley, sian, and chris are safely back home on earth, and getting checked out by our medical team, we are going to wrap up our live coverage of their historic return. we started this day about two hours ago. we had -- um -- successful trunk separation. we completed a de-orbit burn, closed the nose cone. we got through that blackout period of communications. both sets of chutes deployed -- um -- awesome. and the crew splashed down. we hoisted them up and they have just exited the vehicle. >> next up, they will catch a helicopter ride back to shore where they will be rejoined by their families. so, welcome back to the "inspiration4" crew. it has been an honor and a privilege to share their journey with all of you as we continue this new era in human space flight. >> yes, for updates, check out our social media. um, also be sure to donate to st. jude. there is a donation button if you are watching on youtube, on the right-hand side of your screen. the netflix documentary is coming out -- >> so, we have now watched the all-civilian crew exit the spacex capsule. i want to hear from each of you. kendis, sort of your reflections on this day what it is that we have witnessed? >> oh, my god. i've got chills. maybe, it's because i am a space geek or maybe i'm just human and loving that moment. watching each of them come off of that -- come out of that capsule. i looked at sian proctor. as i mentioned, she is the one that is the most pumped about all of this. and you saw her doing a dance, doing a jig. she is so excited for what she experienced. and you understand why. space has been in her blood for so many decades. and then, you saw hayley, who was the first to come out, looking just as excited. and chris. i want to point out something about chris sembroski right there because when he got out of the capsule, he did a little fist bump. and that's a lot of emotion for chris sembroski, actually, because when jared isaacman called him and said, hey, you're going to space. uh, jared actually thought that the zoom had frozen because he didn't even react. there was -- there was no movement. there was no reaction whatsoever. so, that fist pump that you saw from chris sembroski, it's a big deal as well. it's just a wonderful moment to see all of that. >> leroy, there are going to be a lot of people who watch all of this and wonder what it will take for them to get to space. um, your final thoughts? i have got about 15, 20 seconds. >> sure. no, i mean, this was -- looked like a flawless mission, from start to finish. the crew emerged looking happy and healthy and excited. and so, i don't think the first all-amateur crew mission could have gone any better. and this sets -- sets the tone for the future of commercial space flight. so i'll be eagerly watching, and hopefully being part of that as well. >> doctor, very quickly, your final thoughts? >> oh, just wonderful to see american ingenuity at work. and getting us back into space in a commercial way. and thanks for helping me relive some of my memories, again, too. >> yes, i imagine that this is a very nostalgic day. kendis, leroy, doctor, thank you all for spending some time with us. and as we wrap up live coverage of this historic splashdown in florida, another bit of history to celebrate because there is a new broadcast debuting on msnbc hosted by my friend and colleague, ayman, he launched "ayman" right now which i really love. i love it. shakira, beyonce, oprah, and now we have ayman. >> wow, i appreciate that. that's quite a level to live up to, alicia. i really appreciate it. >> you can do it, ayman. >> thank you so much. i appreciate it. thank you so much to everyone there tuning in. good evening, everyone. welcome to our premiere show. i will be with you here every weekend and luckily for us, there is a lot to talk about on our first night. of course, donald trump supporters showing up in washington, d.c. demanding the criminals who stormed the capitol back on january 6th, they actually should be freed because they believe they are actually innocent. now, congressional republicans. they're reluctant to condemn them and former-lead impeachment manager, congressman jamie raskin is going to be here live to talk about it in just a few minutes. plus, voting rights, infrastructure, and president biden's build back better agenda face a huge hurdle in the senate. and it's actually coming, though, from his own party. senator joe manchin, it is time for him to give up on the filibuster. that is the question many are asking congressman ro khanna is here to discuss that and a whole lot more. plus, you ever heard the medical argument getting the vaccine. everybody knows about it but what about the math argument for getting the shots? 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working to transform nasa. i had previous to that worked for grassroots organization that was really interested in returning human spaceflight to more than just a handful of astronauts and nasa had sort of lost its way i think after the shuttle accidents when they didn't have the ability to get more people into space for lower costs more reliably. that was the goal of the shuttle. so coming back to nasa as the deputy administrator in the obama administration i thought it was a very natural goal to want to continue that transformation process, and president elect obama happen to agree. so it says my quest because it's a memoir but it's a lot of people's quest for decades and that's why what the book. >> host: lets open that up for a minute. he said nasa had lost its way and that's a big statement. what do you mean by that and how did that happen? >> guest: we are talking primarily about human aspaceflight at nasa. many, many things that nasa go very well and, in fact, human spaceflight has in some sense been hugely important and transformational even since apollo but the shuttle was supposed to reduce the cost and increase reliability of human space transportation. and it had not. we had only flown a couple hundred astronauts since apollo in the 30 years since and we had lost two crews, 14 people, in a system that was clearly never going to bee reliable because is it's design. and it was never going to be cheap. so when i got out of college we were going to be sending people back to the moon and on to mars within decades at the end of apollo they said we could land on mars in 1984. now that now that may have not ever been possible, but i think most people agree that human spaceflight post 1972 with our last steps on the room had not created the advancement and progress that most people envisioned and certainly that the agency had intended to. >> host: what were the main problems? is it that the wasn't like him during apollo sort of cold war adversary like the soviet union, is a congress, military-industrial complex? what were the problems holding nasa back? >> guest: those are all parts it. we know that we went to the men to beat the russians and because of that we established a crash program. so we set things up in a race type of format and that meant we were pouring money and to do things one time and that didn't build a sustainable program. not a fault of nasa's because they were asked to win the race and the achieve that amazing accomplishment, but it did not create an environment where you could doy things in a way that left a more sustainable, less program. and, in fact, it gave us three verse incentives. companies and congress who had developedd capabilities, people in their districts, infrastructure needed to or were incentivized to use those very facilities which were much overbilled for the mission of the shuttle which was to reduce the cost of space transportation. nasa wanted to employ their contractors. they wanted to employ that people who work in these institutions, and just kept going. that made the future programs expensive by design, instead of doing things like we had in aviation where the private sector really drove the innovation and the government did assist withdv both technoloy advancements as well as the sort of anchor tenancy as we know today which we ultimately had been doing in human spaceflight by the early days it was called the celtic airmail act. the government paid the airlines to carry the mail, and that allowed the airlines to invest in the capability because they had a customer. and once they had that customer they could go find more. space transportation launch is a lot more than justt government payloads and people, and yet we have not found a way to really leverage the governments investment to expand the market him and that's the transformation that is allowing us i think to make that change today. >> host: we will get into the dynamic of the public-private partnerships but when we talk about programs like apollo in this space shuttle, people forget that after apollo people kind of lost interest in space and may be the shuttle was dynamic at first but then people kind of lost interest in that. your excellent book is coming out at a time where there are a lot of competing interests. rethere's a war in europe, thers inflation, the paint to make a still gone. what you tell people about why they should care about space and why we should care about this era, this history and space policy which was crucial and transformative in so many ways, but why is that in your view important? >> guest: the unique vantage of space has given us unbelievable returns as a society as humans. we first went to space in the '50s, but what we gained as faroo as instantaneous communications and even looking back at our home planet has allowed us to completely change our perspective and our new knowledge. when we sent humans we went to beat the russians but we recognized by doing that we were opening up potentially space for more purposes. i think the real problem for the government space program and why maybe between apollo and the shuttle there is less public support was less public support is people didn't understand the purpose.po we knew in apollo the purpose but after that we say the cost doesn't seem like a very great purpose and, of course, nasa has triedd to re-create the purpose of sort of the cold war with china today. i think we are really struggling for the value. in my view andnd escaping graviy title comes from this, we were able to escape gravity, launch things and people from the earth, because we had a unified goal. it's really hard to beat gravity. smart people who have the c same vision can do it and we haven't had that with human spaceflight that united vision to be able to see why the government should put in the publics money for that purpose. private sector as it gets lower costs we are seeing people have their own reasons to go to space. but for the government the unique purpose in my view is benefiting society. so beyond just the things we get from robotics spacecraft, humans going to space is transformational. we know that the first photograph from the far side of the moon that was taken by astronauts called earthrise started the environmental movement. lots of pictures having taken from space of the earth but not by a human. we go with our astronauts when they go to space and i believe there is plenty of wonderful robotic things to doll as well, but for civilization humanity as the species there is l no doubt that over the long term if we want to survive we need to be a multi-planetary in beyond species. so the very early beginnings of that are under way today. >> host: let's jump into the deep end of the narrative and one of the main tension points, when you are coming into nasa as the deputy administrator, the space shuttle is sort of on its last legs. there's this program called constellation that's way over budget behind schedule, talks about canceling it. what was the situation you are walking into nasa when you became the deputy administrator? >> guest: yeah, that was a unique time in the space program. program. i had left nasa in 2001 and now in 2008 i've been asked before even being deputy to leave the transportation team for the incoming obama administration and the humanht spaceflight program was in disarray, i should say. not only, we were retiring the shuttle which i felt was the right decision. there was a really a lot of political difference of opinion on that. the former george w. bush president had deemed that necessary if we were not able to recertify the shuttle which would've been very expensive. as you said the program constellation replaced it, we found was off-track. it had in its first four years spent over $8 billion but had been delayed five years. if you were going to keep it going it was currently going to launch only after within their budget profile the space station would've had to have been the orbited. their plan was only able to be paid for if they d orbited the space station. we knew they were not really going to do that. they were trying to go just trick the next administration into giving more money. you come into administration, at least i did, not wanting to lie to the president. that just didn't strike me something i should probably do. what he uncovered i had is uncovering it or lie, and i found a workaround which was get a blue ribbon committee to look at the human spaceflight program, populate it with bright minds who didn't have been asked to cry. we had a couple of wonderful astronauts, the ceo former ceo of lockheed martin shared it and they came at up the same sceo we did. they uncovered the problem with the program and gave us some options for how we could move forward. when we made a decision to go forward that was unpopular and as i outlined in the book i took a lot of the blame, but the truth is so many people really did agree that we were at it and ask him something had to be done. >> host: explained to him what was constellation and what did it consist of and why was it so badly managed? i mean, what was going on there? >> guest: the constellation was a government owned and operated program along the lines of apollo. they called at the time nasa on steroids and was to do all things. it was supposed to start with the capsule called orion which was to left and iraq are called ares one that we take astronauts to the space station after this shuttle retired. the space station wouldn't be 30 more in less he got a lot of money but its longer-term goal was to build an even larger rocket called the ares five that we take us back to the moon. astronauts on the moon again. real threethe only elements along with ground systems and only the first two were funded but the review showed we would never get to the moon and again what it needed the money from the space station, and the fault is really no different than what we are experiencing today. it was a cost-plus program, really initiated to continue the shallow contracts to keep money flowing to the congressional districts and at three to $5 billion y a year you would kp going at that rate without making a a lot of progress. we did have women in apollo the ability to build up right away and when you can come in and do that you can succeed. at budgets today that's not really possible and plus it's not really what we should be doing given the goal is to sustain progress. so here we are constellation has to carry the infrastructure of apollo. it's no one's fault. it's just w the system was set p against doing those kinds of programs unless you get really, really large amounts of money. >> host: so emblematic of what you're talking about why nasa need to be transformed a lot of money going in but not a lot of progress so you stand up this commission, norm augustine former ceo of lockheed martin endorses your view. you bring this but with different options to the president and he supported the cancellation. did that surprise you? well, what did you make of that in that moment and once you knew that's what you're going forward, how did you prepare for that? you knew that was going to set off a firestorm. >> guest: yes. we had on the transition team our report had pretty much aligned with what the augustine committee later came up with. so having the augustine committee at our transition report both say this program constellation is that something you should keep investing in and away to get humans back to space is through the private sector. i was very confident that that not only was the only way to go forward, the best way to go forward, , but the president agreed. i had talked to him enough. he agreed plus it just made sense and leisure getting money, billions, from the people who feel they might not be as competitive. so we were all ready to announce this actually in october of that year but the white house was very concerned about keeping every vote for health care. we had a really close margin to have our 60 votes in the senate with the democratic leadership and they decided to incorporate the decision with the budget process. well, that meant we had to involve many more people which in a way was a good thing because it meant the national economic council got involved and certainly the office of science and technology policy, omb. but nasa didn't want to do it and the budget process has to go through the administration but the agency prepares the budget. the budget the agency prepared kept constellation. it didn't at commercial crew. i try to get them to change. my boss at the time the head of nasa charlie bolden was just ready to do what the nasa people wanted to do and wasn't really listening in meetings at the white house. last meeting with the president which are outlined in a book he came away and told how it went. it was very clearho to me what e president which use that we got the answer couple weeks after prthat and it surprised charlie. it did not surprise me. >> host: this is a memoir and as you are going through that experience of trying to cancel a major government program worth billions of dollars to some of the most entrenched interests of washington, you can under attack. this became personal. you opened a book with a scene of being threatened where you received, or a letterte was sent to nasa with some white powdery substance. can you talk about that experience and what you endured going through all this? >> guest: sure. it was surprising and, of course, disheartening that i was attacked for putting something forward that i i thought was y well studied, that again in the 1990s the nasa administrator of the time had supported. indeed we were already planning toar launch cargo with the prive sector through a program started by the previous administration. but i think because the administrator of nasa didn't agree and he was an astronaut and revered marine general, having a woman, i was young, 48 at the time that it went there, i didn't have a technical degree, i was the one to attack. and being physically threatened as the sort of prelude outlines was very surprising and scary, and i was strengthened by it in some ways because it made me realize these are notot good people who are fighting. they are fighting and ethically, illegally in some instances and, of course, the system is corrupt in many ways beyond nasa. just this status quo well, i'll scratch your back you scratch mine. that's not what a country should be doing. >> host: at the point where you had security. >> guest: nasa security was alerted a few times to threats that some somehow they wour tell m me details that somehow a credible enough that i would have a s security detail even wk into my cart in the nasa garage. that was the hardest because shorter like the call is coming from inside the house. theseepl were people i hope to o lead to a better future and who i knew had been frustrated by the also were very thought into the current programs and lots of lies and ugliness were spread and, therefore, people considered maybe if they got rid of me they could get rid of the problem and come back to how things were where we spent a lot of money and didn't go anywhere. >> host: you mention charlie bolden during this time with the nasa administrator, former astronaut, marine corps general, sort of beloved in the space community, the aerospace community and just sort of generally. you all had some significant differences and youic write abot in the book at times going around him in a lack of trust. so i i wonder if you can talk a little bit about that relationship with him? >> guest: yeah, i would've tried to not talk about much of this if the story could be told without it because charlie is a person who, you know, we were very friendly certainly especially at the beginning, revered andnd understandably and deservedly so for many accomplishments he's made. he was someone who the administration firstf of all hadn't selected to be nasa administrator at first. senator bill nelson and he had flown on the space shuttle years before together and bonded, and senator nelson fought as outlined in a book to have charlie be administrator. that was after i had already been not named publicly but asked toep serve as deputy f administrator and after the transition team had already really formulated the policy and the augustine report was underway. so charlie came in late and didn't agree with the president's plan which you like to consider my plan, but i kept saying unit, really the president will all work for who should be a line. in fact, i understand he asked rahm emanuel during his interview for head of nasa could he take his own deputy? rahm emanuel said no. no, we've got lori garver to be deputy and charlie said what if we don't agree on things? he said you both work for the president. so we don't expect any problems. i know that i am seeing as the outlier but it wasn't the outlier. and my choice as a deputy of a federal agency and be senate confirm, do you follow your immediate boss, or the president, and i was nominated by the president. charlie couldn't fire me. i'm told he tried a few times and that wasn't approved by the white house. so i did when it became clear charlie was working behind the scenes against the president not share everything i was doing with him. and as aeg sand about my biggest regret is not being able to develop a trusting relationship with charlie and i really don't think he's bad. i think he was listening to the people, the wrong people who are self invested in the status quo. and he's such k a nice person, h well, they know. he really doesn't question their motives. >> host: so you come , perhm a different background than the sort of traditional nasa astronaut in you have a name for them c in the book, the space pirates. i wonder if you could talk about that. what are the space pirates? what do they represent? what's their philosophy? who are the? >> guest: the book was even called space pirates by the at one point because i prefer to them as people who raised me. when i first came into space commuting i work at a small nonprofit called the national space society and the goal was to create a space faring civilization against post-apolln thinking without space was going to be open to more of us than handful of astronauts and a way to do that is expand beyond just government owned and operateded program. seemed very logical to me but it didn't seem logical to the people giving the billions. i refer to them as pirates because they are controversial. they are depicted the route science-fiction in many ways sometimes as those who are mining asteroids or may be the property are not exactly known yet, like piratesht might. and it just so happened that a couple of years ago when the trump administration started the space force, senator ted crews in the hearing said we need a space force j because just liken the high seas you can run into pirates. we might run into pirates in space. elon musk immediately tweeted a pirate flag and a sort of stuck with a lot of us and you have to have something book cannot keep describing them every time so they don't really call themselves space pirates identified as such. and so far i think they like it. >> host: at the time of the book there's somewhat maybe on the fringes picky think they become more mainstream now? >> guest: most people now who are looking at this feel that i am referring to elon musk and jeff bezos as a space pirates. well sure they are latecomers but the early space pirates i think are very much, they are starting companies, being successful. they were doing this in the '80s and 90s but the technologies have not advanced yet. the market, the money all the things you need along with the policies which i did help drive, those space i pirates i think we merging the lines now in a lot of ways between traditionalists and sometimes they like to call themselves new space. i don't like to call them new space because then you have old space and no one wants to be old space. so we really have i think in front of us a future that nearly everyone knows requires it off. >> host: you mention this earlier. let's a talk about the commercil crew program and what that was. this is a controversial at the time even considered maybe radical program that started with trusting the private sector okay, you can fly cargo and supplies to the international space station but nasa was going to say you are not going to fly our most precious resource, our astronauts. and now allowing the private sector to fly nasa's astronauts. i mean, that is a big deal. so talk about how that sort of the history of that the reluctance to move forward with it and how you ultimately overcame that. >> guest: the commercial crew program is certainly the thing that i am most known for and probably most proud of as well, but it didn't start with me. it started as i mentioned in the 1990s with dan golden hind replace the shuttle with private sector. that ended the and the next two nasa administrator develop programs for government owned and operated systems. that made this very difficult for the status quo to accept what was called commercial cargo could have just easily been expanded.in in fact, whenid they accepted bs for commercial cargo, nasa had a section they called d if you want to bid to launch people. spacex was the onlyy one who bid on it. this is right before i arrived on the transition team so we were putting together the stimulus budget at the time. we were in a recession in in 2008-2009 and we were asked to put forward shovel-ready projects that could really help stimulate the economy. and i called up spacex asked iff they would hold to their bid. it was just over $300 million and i requested i requested that money in stimulus from the administration. i didn't get it all. at about half, $150 million and that was very controversial on capitol hill because people start to realize an industry who were getting billions of dollars to build systems to do that, or spacex were successful there wouldn't have had the opportunity anymore or at least couldn't charge what they were. i think we get caught up in have battle became about safety and are thehat in reality lines personality but in reality it was that unlike a lot of other things. it was the existing developers of these programs for fighting for the future trend what it has always gone smoothly. the space shuttle retired in 2011. spacex is now finally flying crews but it took almost ten years for that to happen meaning there was a gap of a decade when there were no cruder launch of them useful and we had to depend on russia to do it and the second provider boeing still hasn't flown crew. so i wonder under this model where you lucky because your spacex? it seems like like is a part of this. >> guest: there is no question, that without spacex this would not have worked as well. and as for the long time in between we always knew there was going to be a gap because we should have much earlier been starting programs and competitions to follow on the space shuttle. when we got there in '09 efficiently the shuttle was supposed to in the next year. we were able to add two more shuttles get you through 211 d the program that we propose a commercial crew was supposed to cost $6 billion over five years and and i would be divided between two competitors. we knew we wanted competition. we didn't get $6 billion in five years from congress. congress cut the program by 40% over thet first five years. so i'm not saying we could have done it that much sooner but i, and i get do not want to take anything from spacex f because they are the only ones who have made it so far but there were other bidders. it is very possible that some of the other bidders have gotten their money, have spacex not been there could've made it. i think there is now with a comparison of the large cost-plus programs that nasa is still doing it's very clear, it's not a decade can we simply say it's a decade can almost nine years, eight years. nine months of the gap and it would've been not just a gap in launches from u.s. soil, it would've been a gap in human spaceflight if we would've had to deorbit the shuttle and wait for the government systems. so i'm often blamed for ending human spaceflight and so i am a little sensitive it. we were in a bad spot. we were in a very bad spot and we should of beenm. funding this program, everyone should of been thrilled to come up with this, these matching funds for the private sector on schedule so that we give it our best shot, and we didn't do that. >> host: let's talk about spacex for a minute because they are so central to the book. one of my favorite anecdotes in the book is one that actually use in my book that you told me about when spacex is approaching the station and they have a problem as they're getting close, and you have so much riding on this company. this is before they were flying humans but it was a version of the dragon spacecraft that would ultimately be evolved into a crewed spacecraft. recount that story because it'ss such a great story. >> guest: so because we had this commercial cargo program first it was ahead of crew, and it was very much going to be a situation where spacex needed to succeed so we could trust them carry a very precious astronauts. spacex had of course failures delays and hasn't their competitor northrop grumman. this launch was supposed to be talking to the space station, the dragon capsule lost a couple of thrusters after successful launch and wasn't going to be able to dock. i was at the cape, happened to be getting together with the president a spacex after the launch. we had planned gwynne shotwell but with his pub she said i'm in the op center. we have to work this. we have less than an hour i believe to work the system or the dockingne was not going to e successful. each one of these t would've ben i thought a pretty big delay to the crew being allowed to dock. and i went over to wait for her and found the two heads of nasa's human spaceflight program understandably there. standing in the back of the room not have a console and i want to get out of the way, have nothing to contribute technically and asked what you're doing in the back and they were just watching spacex work through this problem and trying to solve the problem. they were talking to jeff and i could overhear them. well, i would try this and that. and i'm saying maybe i will mention that to them. these gentlemen are just know, we think they should work this out themselves. what happened was spacex figured it out in the nick of time and what i believe this as a moment when iva really saw nasa embrace spacex, private sector, thein sweeping business all important things and these were two of the guys who had been somewhat oppose to having astronauts be transported commercially. theyey were already well into te cargo mission. so i say it was like watching the grandparent with a child may be fishing where as a parent, i will say a dad, might show them how to put the world on the hook, help then cast, but if they got something big they would grab a hold of the fishing rod and reel it in. these guys are like a grin. you know, let's just watching let's just see how they do. and they were really proud when they reeled them in. so i do love that moment. >> host: and it's moments like that i i think build up over tie and their experience builds the trust between nasa and the commercial sector over time and as resultha of that there has bn a cultural shift i believe that nasa that gives much more trust to the commercial sector. i mean, white -- i wonder if yoe could talk a little bit about that. it seems like you believed that from the very beginning that you kind of need to prove it. what we are talking that is a huge sort of cultural change so happy that ultimately happen? >> guest: i again me coming with a different perspective and wanting to make progress over the longer term t that was sustainable, this was so clearly the only way to do it. so if you believed that building a big rocket is the goal and you want to do that in the government but i didn't believe that wasn't the goal. i believe the goal was leaving our economy better off, leaving our national secret he better off, society better off. and ifou those are your goals tn you need to go about it, the how really is driven by the why. and so for my a wife and i think for within the nasa space act of 1958 why we need to go about doing this in a way that left it's better world behind. i truly believe that nasa is on that path that i don't believe every single program needs to be done this way. it should be based on again the purpose and for something like one-of-a-kind unique say going to a moon of jupiter you probably are not going to get commercial companies bidding to do that in a fixed cost way. the question right now is when to use what sort of procurement mechanismre to maximize the vale for the taxpayer, the ones who are paying. >> host: so this paradigm of the public-private partnership gets to the second part of your subtitle, and this is the launching of a new space age which is a different paradigm that there is the and private sector working together maybe with an international component but there's a lot of talk about heading toward a recession. there's a lot more faith from investors in this space economy commercial space this cool thing. there's a lotf of money that's been flowing into it but is it at the point where there is sort of a self-sustaining space economy? what happens if there's a, downturn in the economy, how will that affect the new space age? >> guest: there is a new space age in much of the sector and that is largely driven by the fact that spacex has lowered launch cost so much. we have now i think more than 100 companies vying to be launching satellites at different sizes and for less money but let's face it it's really driven by spacex steel. when you can get things into space cheaper if you're going to come up with more and more important things to do and that is indeed what's happened. so the investments around space, the returns and the space markets interest is largely to do with non-human spaceflight. humans based flight gets a lot of attention. we have sub orbital launches with jeff bezos and richard branson both having gone to space themselves last year with their companies. and, ofon course, you have in te astronauts now going with spacex and hopefully soon to be going with boeing. that is a new space age. there's just no question. we considered the first space age and lots of things differentiate it, it was about the cold war. it was very much associated with the military. it was all white men. so this new space age is about a lot of things. for me it is about getting sort of back to our roots of space is another amazing resource that we can use to help society. >> host: let's talk about that. particularly the space tourism aspect because it has its roots in shuttle. the space shuttle was supposed to be flying private citizens all the time. it was going to fly so frequently that nasa could not fill all the seat with professionally trained astronauts and, of course, christa mcauliffe the teacher from new hampshire was on the challenger 1986 when it exploded in that program. basically went away and now it is being resurrected by the private industry there's a lot of criticism of this because it's a lot of rich white men who are going up. as a first space tourist we're seeing some of that change but i think you talk about that in the book. you talk about of the benefits of that so what if you can just sort of open that up for us here now? >> guest: sure. t i doo equate it to get to days f aviation. and get that something that's risky. something that the private sector and aviation got into right away and we are maybe in the barnstorming era now for space. in which people paid to go on there although i know were not all rich because planes didn't cost that much to fly but a lot of them died and it did start charging money and, of course, that created a huge industry that the u.s. captured a huge part of that market and has benefited from. so economically the returns to new businesses that really could grow to be important is something that nations want to do and we shouldn't miss out on this one. i question whether we want, i know we don't agree with all the personal policies of these billionaires but they could just owbe spending their money on thr own personal gains if they wanted and they are working in an industry where there is already in the case of spacex a huge economic return to our nation because we are launching satellites. now the u.s. has the largest market share for satellite launches worth billions. and in the late 1990s we were launching no commercial satellites. the chinese, the french and the russians were launching them all. i so there's economic gain and there's also over the longer term a society goes out and eventually if we survive long enough are able to expand outward. what kind of values do we want when we go out? and i think for a long time the group of space pirates that raised me part of this had been wanting to makesu sure there are modern policies that are equitable, that expand outward along with humanity as a species can you' talk about the economic benefits of it. are there not also some social aspects to it? have only been about 600 or so people who have been to space. you have talked to a lot of astronauts.iv they talk about the transformative t experience. do you think there are any benefits of having more people from different backgrounds go to space? >> guest: we talk about that a lot and within the space community as you know there's a thing called the overview effect that frank lloyd wright wrote about many years ago. i know frank and it's a fabulous bank and is always surprised me how astronauts were overwhelmed upon the return of that scene the earth from space and they have changed their perspective about the environment and the networking across borders tested were no lines on the map. so it's a little weird. have you ever not so in an airplane? no lines. but it is a value the more people who get to see it and the more people who experience that from different backgrounds and can convey it. i don't know about you but when william shatner returned from his brief launch last year, i thought he was eloquent about his reaction to having spent a few minutes so far in the view and that perspective from space that we don't select astronauts for their vision or their ability to communicate the importance and value of all of this. we select them for the reasons of being able to withstand the technical rigor and so forth of being in space, and so more people going, poets, artists, journalists perhaps, teachers. i mean, it is ironic that nasa sort of drove early on this recognition that there were people not astronauts who could contribute like going to space but really hunkered down. i mean the challenger accident with the teacher in space on board, a deep, deep wound at the agency and then columbia coming again just made it clear we were not going to be flying many more astronauts much less not astronauts. but the russians had taken over space tourism and a dozen or so people have flown on the soyuz launch a vehicle from baikonur kazakhstan to the russian program and, of course, that ultimate place a huge part in the book because we had to count on the soyuz after the columbia large and because we had to count on it after the shuttle retired. >> host: i want to talk about the diversity of expenses that we should note after challenger they're going to since the teacher first and then a journalist. they were next and they were down to off finalists. we talk about the threats that you face but there's also just sort of on a day-to-day basis i think the misogyny and being a woman and an industry dominated by men at nasa and in the aerospace industry in general. you have worked hard to combat that with the fellowship that you found. i wonder if you can talk a little bit about that at also hasn't been a shift, is a landscape changing since you are at nasa when you were sort of growing up in the aerospace industry? >> guest: growing up in the aerospace industry in the '80s and '90s therehe were very few women but i felt i was fairly treated. i was on the nasa advisory council under dan golden in the mid-1990s. i think i was at least a decade younger than the next oldest person and i was certainly the only woman. but, of course, there was a lot of old school objectification, sexual harassment, and just both micro and macro inequities that we experience.ew and they were few of us but we bonded and we started groups, and it was really when i got to be more senior in my career and i was responsible for making decisions that got the most push back because i think men and all of us really are not accustomed to taking directions from women. men always come back with my wife. that's a dynamic. the fact that you're a woman, i love my wife, i love my secretary. yeah, but why don't we had a woman president? why do we have very many female ceos? we don't associate power and assertiveness and strength with female characteristics and so as i was comingio in and making decisions that were not going to be popular because of how the system was structured and my boss who was a man didn't couldn't really explain it or what to support it, i believe that being vilified had a lot to do with the fact that i was a woman and i was attacked with a lot of gender language. you could always tell when somebody is, you know, she this, she doesn't deserve this, you must be on your period. oh, my gosh, many horrible things. i don't believe it was actually about that sense that they were really just didn't want to change but it was easy. i was an easy target and i cared enough about the fact that more people's opinions come in thatar were different than what had been contributing toward our leadership and our vision in space was so important that it did start disfellowshipped about seven years ago when it's your friend and minty of mine died at the age of 36 of cancer. the brooke always fellowship now has 50,000 iu with internshipsps in the aerospace community. aerospace community has embraced this program and i we followed t on with another one called the patti grace smith fellowship which is for black collegiate students who are wanting their careers and aerospace. so together i think we seeing a shift but the important thing for me will be when their ideas even if they don't conform to the status quo are considered equally when they get in leadership positions. that's what i think t we all hae some work to do. >> host: returning to the attention of going up against the status quo. when you were fighting this fight over constellation and the president backs it and says we're going to cancel it and yet there's of this compromise which produces a rocket that's note as the space launch system, which as we are talking right now is on the padr. at the kennedy spae center, i wonder if you can talk about what happened there? >> guest: the real debate was between human spaceflight, are we going to turn everything over to the private sector, or can nasa keepra its share? and the administration because theyyo were wanting to put the focus on things like getting health care reform passed, totally understandable, didn't really fight for the nasa budget as proposed once the president selected it. it was hard without a nasa administrator really. it was hard with without ky democrats on the hill carrying theer president's water and so e folded. i say in the book we had a full house, they had a pair of twos and we walked away from the table, that's my view. what the status quo wanted to do was build a b big rocket and dot with a government contract in with existing contractors. and the obama administration decided if we could carveout commercial crew some technology programs some earth sciences, everyone wanted to protect the telescope, we would agree that the government could have a big launch program and the orion capsule could continue. those programs have cost us together with their ground systems around $40 billion since we made that deal. they were supposed to be launched by the l end of 2016 ad they haven't launched yet here in 2022. as you said they are currently on thehe pad hoping for a successful test. they will then go back to the hangar come back out for launch first test flight no people on board august at the earliest. comparison after ch$40 billion to commercial crew which we have low now five crews to the space station and spacex got $2.5 billion. >> host: private citizens. >> guest: and they have flown private citizens on dedicated missions. i mean, it is oneh, of these things where yeah, it took a while but we came out at the gates screaming fast because of the success of spacex and now he's hopefully boeing soon and the suborbital launch with blue origin and virgin galactic. but if you look at the comparison between the cost-plus contracts and what we call commercial crew, the return on investment for the public, is not comparable. since then the private sector spacex and blue origin have launched have invested their own money in big launch vehicles. so those are not comparable vehicles. ss orion much bigger would be able to take more payload farther away but spacex and blue originlu have vehicles spacex flying one of them the falcon heavy that can go almost as heavy a payload to low-earth orbit as will be in this vehicle that costs $40 billion. that is very frustrating for me because we didn't have to do it. that was something that in 2010-2011 when this deal was made it was obvious, it was obvious that wasn't what we should be doing with that money. and it's a hurtful because tensf thousands of people have dedicated d their lives and careers to doing it and it's not their fault. of course it's exciting. we have built i a big rocket but it doesn't leave you behind anything that is sustainable. the nasa ig says each launch will cost $4 billion. that's in addition to the 40 we have already invested. if taking aside the sunk costs, you can launch on a falcon heavy for around $150 million. not human rated but if we have put a program together to follow on commercial crew that about the private sector to partner to build bigger heavier vehicles, no doubt that would've been more successful. nasasa could have taken those tx dollars and invested in the things that we really need to be expanding the horizons of people and leading like we did in the 1960s. >> host: so there's a lot in this book. there's far for space fans f great adventure and space stuff in space policy. it is a glimpse into how washington works entrenchednc interests, politics and i think they could be taught in the business school as well and, of course, it's your story, it's a memoir. you know, a finding your way or combating all those entrenched interest in a male-dominated sphere but what you want people to take away from your book? >> guest: i think the take away and the reason i i wrotet is because wee have the ability and right now i am very as nearly everyone on the planet is aware that our own past inventions are creating a situation that can make the earth uninhabitable in the future. and with climate change about 80% 80% of what we know about what's happening to our planet has come from the space program. there are incredibly valuable things to do with our space program. oftentimes we see the billionaire saying well, we're doing this to get people off the planet to save earth. there are enough but i'm not sure that timeline is going to work. so to me we have the unique opportunity to use what has been a brilliant history of space exploration and development to save ourselves and to do it in a way that can leave the planet better off. we have an ability to use the technologies we have and new ways of setting goals and utilizing government to achieve things we simply must do now. we simply must peer and we wouldn't even know we were having these problems if we hadn't gone to space so we might as well use space to help solve these problems. and nasa came across commercial crew at a time in the technologies were there and i think the technologies can be there if we put the right incentives in to help the planet and people on it, just a couple more minutes. i just want to ask two quick questions. why did you leave nasa? >> guest: i have been a nasa almost five years after t beingn the transition team. i had told me they would be replacing the head of nasa if the president was reelected but a few months and it became clear they were not going to. charlie and i again we got along but it wasn't very fair of me to be there continually, being seen at least as opposing his policies. i wasn't looking but i got a cold call from headhunters looking for a game changer to run a major aerospace association. i knew i wouldn't leave nasa go to industry or anything like that. this was the airline pilots union and they made me unauthorized, i just loved it, i worked there for five years and i put a lot of what i learned about running a major organization and making progress into that for a while, so last question. again going back to the subtitle that you wantedte to transform nasa. that was your request. digi succeed? did you transform nasa? >> guest: well, i try many times to make it very, very clear throughout the book that i am not the only person who could transform nasa. it was a huge group of people still is working on that but i would say yes. i would say nasa is transformed. it's been transformed. people have told me who are still there that it is a different place, that people talk about cost-plus contracts and even the nasa administrator like they are a plague and do a sacrilege to say anything like that ten years ago tremont lori garver thank you so much. the book is "escaping gravity." it's been t a pleasure talking o you traded thank you, chris. it's been wonderful talking with you. >> if you are enjoying booktv then sign up for our newsletter using the qr code on the screen to receive a schedule of upcoming programs, author discussions book festivals and more. booktv every sunday on c-span2 or anytime online at booktv.org. television for serious readers. >> c-span is your unfiltered view of government. we are funded by these television companies and more including comcast. >> are you thinking this is just the community center? it's way more than that. >> comcast is partnering with 1000 community centers to create wi-fi enabled lift zones so students can get the tools they need to be ready 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minimum wage to $10.10 and hour and expanded access to early childhood education. >> reporter: i'm cate caugiran live in belmont where a desperate search to find a missing autistic boy continues. the argument that may be key to his disappearance. i'm liza battalones with your "kcbs traffic." very light traffic for i-80 in that westbound direction. no delays as of yet between pinole and berkeley. we have sky 2 that flew overhead and spotted no franks so enjoy it while it lasts. we have better news also for the bart system. the earlier delays they had have cleared out. no problems for the ferries, caltrain or ace. we are keeping a close eye on the sunol grade where there is an accident on the fremont side southbound 680 at scott creek. that's "kcbs traffic." now to lawrence. a lot of clouds outside this morning. we are now seeing delays at sfo of almost an hour on arriving flights. those cloudy skies continuing now and that's some good news. it looks like we have a weak storm system 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finding any missing person. we have a photo you can take a look. this is 16-year-old tyler edward simmons. he is a student at carlmont high school and was last seen monday night at ralston middle school by a custodian. his father says he was supposed to be at the belmont public library where he picks up tyler every afternoon. his parents say the boy is autistic and has the mental capacity of an 8-year-old. he is antisocial. he was last seen wearing a gray zip-upper, black jeans, black bean any and white shoes. belmont police were combing through the middle school with the team of search dogs. the teen's father says he waited for him at the library but he wasn't there yesterday afternoon. police say they don't suspect foul play at this point. he got into a fight with his parents and that could be why he didn't show up. the president is expected to announce an executive order to increase minimum wage for federal workers. cbs news reporter susan mcginnis reports. >> reporter: president obama is expected to stand before the nation tonight and ask congress to help him pass his legislative agenda creating jobs, an extension of unemployment benefits and immigration reform topping the list. >> he will use every means available to him. >> reporter: but he is also bringing a warning. the president is expected to say if congress won't work with him, then he will work alone and use his executive powers to push his agenda. >> mindful of congress's reluctance to be cooperative, the president is going to exercise his authority. >> reporter: republicans say instead of threatening them, the president should work with them. >> it's hard to convince people to get legislation through. it takes consensus. but that's what he needs to be doing is building consensus and not taking his pen creating law. >> reporter: the state of the union isn't just about the president addressing congress. >> it's become sort of a combination of the opportunity for the president to talk to the country directly and sort of this bizarre washington ritual filled with gamesmanship and partisanship. >> reporter: president obama will take his message on the road for a four-state tour starting wednesday. susan mcginnis, cbs news, washington. >> and two women will deliver the republican response to the state of the union address tonight. washington congresswoman cathy mcmorris rodgers will give the official rebuttal and florida congresswoman ross-late nan will give the response. you can see it online at kpix.com and at kpix 5. a man shot several times in a walgreens parking lot is in stable condition this morning. he was put on a stretcher and loaded into an glance. shortly after last night's shooting in east oakland. police blocked off the parking lot and the store stayed open during the investigation. officers were seen with yellow evidence markers. bart is changing its policies. any searches that require bart officers to enter homes now requires written approval by a deputy chief. sergeant tom smith was killed during an apartment search last week. bart confirms his partner detective michael maes mistakenly shot him. >> mike maes is an experienced well trained officer. obviously, something did not go the way we wanted it to go. >> detective maes is a 26 year veteran of law enforcement and with bart police for the past 14 years. maes is currently on administrative leave. he is expected to attend his partner's funeral. a public viewing for sergeant smith is planned tonight from 5:00 to 9:00. that will be at chapel of the chimes on mission boulevard in hayward. the funeral service is scheduled at 10:00 tomorrow morning and it will be at the neighborhood church of castro valley on job drive. both the viewing and the funeral will be open to the public. some new details about a marin county oyster farm. the government would like to shut it down. the drakes bay oyster company in point reyes has a temporary reprieve now as it tries to extend its [ indiscernible ] the ninth circuit court of appeals has upheld the government's position but yesterday grand a 90-day stay to allow the company to appeal to the united states supreme court. a san francisco firefighter is suing her department for defamation following the asiana airlines crash in july. kpix 5's phil matier reports that elyse duckett claims the department falsely identified her to the media as the person responsible for running over survivor ye meng yaun who died after she was hit by the fire truck at the crash site. duckett says the department is now discriminating against her because she is a black lesbian. police in sunnyvale arrested a sex offender. 42-year-old theodore lorigo violated his registration requirements. he dresses up like a woman. school employees helped identify him and he was arrested on thursday. in south san francisco, police are searching for a flasher they say targeted a group of high school cheerleaders. officers released this sketch of the man who walked into a girls locker room naked at south san francisco high school. he is believed to be in his 40s and about 5'10" with a pot- belly. police say the man exposed himself to a group of high school cheerleaders while they were changing on january 13 and took off. a bay area teen accused of possessing a weapon of mass destruction is now suspended from penn state university altoona. vladislav miftakhov is behind bars this morning. police say they found a suitcase with a bomb and bomb- making materials in his pennsylvania apartment. miftakhov graduated last year from carlmont high school in belmont. >> he was like actually a genuinely kind person. i think he was intrigued and just led him down the drain. >> police say miftakhov told them he ordered the materials off the internet to blow things up but planned to do it in a an open field so no one would get hurt. happening today, a new area of sfo now open for business. united airlines passengers coming into and out of terminal 3 will have a new improved boarding area e this morning. multi-million dollar upgrade has given the terminal unique state-of-the-art features including customized interactive digital displays and bay area centric restaurants. very nice. metered parking in san jose is going to be more expensive. the city is installing new smartmeters to allow drivers to pay with credit cards and phones. drivers will have to pay more though. $1.3million for the upgrade so parking rates are going to double from $1 to $2 an hour. still, san jose is one of the most affordable u.s. cities when it comes to metered parking. and by this time next year, palo alto is expected to have a program in place to help people find places to park near their homes. the city council decided last night to create permit parking districts where residents will get preferential treatment for parking spaces. some businesses have complained the new rules would cut down on free parking for their workers and those who would like to go to their stores. 6:10. 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[ laughter ] we are just started to talk about rain finally making a return to the bay area and some much-needed rain could be headed our way. right now just a lot of clouds in the skies. the rain line is still to the north, high pressure to the south of us. we could see sprinkles north of the golden gate. so our hi-def doppler is up and running checking out your skies and right now, it remains dry. but that could change a little later on today. skies starting out mostly cloudy. a chance of sprinkles to the north. cloudy skies for everybody today but mostly dry further to the south. and then a better chance of rain for everyone late wednesday into thursday. so that ridge of high pressure continuing to the south the jet stream just holding far enough to the north to keep the rain in far northern california. a chance that begins to slide a little further south as we get into wednesday and thursday. around the state, still some 70s into the central valley. you're looking at rain if you want to head there. up in farn northern california toward eureka. computer models showing you a couple of light showers beginning to try and hope is up in parts of the north bay through the day today and into tomorrow although really not going to see the main event from the system until we get into late wednesday night and thursday. temperatures around the bay area expecting the 50s and 60s outside. and as we look toward this afternoon, yeah, we'll see your sunset at 5:29. sunrise at 7:17. and the next couple of days unsettled weather continuing a chance of some showers on thursday. maybe a leftover shower on friday. even another chance of a couple of raindrops into sunday. well, speaking of raindrops, we have sent roberta gonzales out with our mobile weather. she is looking for rain in napa. roberta. >> reporter: good morning, lawrence. i have to admit, we have not seen a raindrop here yet. but i want you to think about this. right now at this hour, it is 23 degrees below zero in chicago with a windchill factor. here on the corner of second and main street in napa, it is 50 degrees under mostly cloudy skies. officially we are 73 degrees warmer in the north bay than the midwest. you go yay, great. not so great because we really do need the rain. i know, i hear ya. you have been facebooking and twitter and inviting me to your rain dances. it's finally going to work. but it's not enough. the last time we have had good measurable precipitation in the bay area happened to be on december 30th. okay, we saw about .02" of rain and .01" on january 9th and 11th. that's about it. we are 16% of where we should be this time in san francisco. 21% of where we should be in san jose. so even with the incoming storm system on thursday, it's just not enough. odds are we are just not going to make up the deficit this winter season so this is a good time to start thinking about this. finally rain returns. haven't seen it in quite some time. thursday check your windshield wipers and give yourself some extra time when you hit the roadways because they will definitely be slippery. if you want more information, visit us online at kpix.com/weather. reporting for mobile weather in beautiful napa, roberta gonzales, kpix 5. >> thank you. taking a shower, watering the lawn, flushing the toilet. all have one thing in common, of course, water. and in the face of a worsening drought, we have to ask, how do you cut back? at 6:30, the free service that can teach you how to make every drop count. and i'm dennis rodman. coming up, a bay area hockey team is out of business this morning and can the sharks make it 10 straight wins over the rival kings in san jose? coming up. >> what's cool about your school? you can email your nomination to us at coolschools@kpix.com. we may come and feature your school on the show. ,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,, good morning, everybody. it's been nothing about black eyes north l.a. kings to came into san jose with a five-game losing streak and hadn't scored a goal in 130 minutes. kings 10 points behind the sharks to start the night scoreless late in the second when jeff carter to cope dar who beat alex. the sharks couldn't solve john thick quick brilliant 23 saves several in the final seconds. team usa goalie pitches the shutout, 1-0 the final in san jose. san francisco bulls are no more. the minor league hockey club ceased operations in the middle of the second season. team announced earlier yesterday that the bulls who called the cow palace home cited high rent and low attendance as reasons they couldn't continue, they lost $2 million. ucs welcomed to the farm. it was all lady cardinals. amber with the drive for two. 86-59 over the trojans. stanford unbeaten in the pac- 12. floyd money mayweather is living up to his nickname. the undefeated boxing champion reportedly bet $10.4 million on the super bowl. who did he pick? he is going with the hot hand of peyton manning. 10.4million last year in nevada $99 million was bet on the super bowl. an all-time record i think the boxers put that over the 99 million mark. i'm dennis o'donnell. have a great day. play of the day from the nba. raptors kyle lowry is going to shoot from half court and gets it. beats the buzzer. toronto beat the nets in brooklyn on a last second shot 104-103 the play of the day. well, some other oakland raiders cheerleaders are fighting back against one who is suing the team. a woman named lacy claims the raiders paid less than the minimum wage rate for the cheerleaders but retired raiderette loreen lee tells kpix 5 the $1,200 a year was the base pay. she says they got more money for promotional events and calendar sales. >> actually, we were the highest paid at the time that i cheered out of all the nfl girls even above dallas cheerleaders. >> lee says she hasn't been asked to join the class action suit and has never met the cheerleader behind it. no comment from the team about the lawsuit. it's 6:26. the president delivers his annual state of the union address tonight. political insider melissa griffin-caen is going to break down what's likely to be on the president's agenda. >> more and more more water companies are asking their customers to cut back on water. how would you even begin to do that? i'm kiet do. we have that story coming up. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, your realtime captioner is mrs. linda marie macdonald turns to a one billion-doll water resource it's never td and water voluntary cutbacks here could soon be coming to a faucet near you. i'm kiet do with a live report coming up. >> and a bay area water district turns to a one billion- dollar water resource it's never tapped before. coming up how it could cost you. >> there are plenty of clouds outside. could we finally see a little rain? we'll talk about that coming up. >> and we have slow traffic now for the sunol grade. sky 3 says it's heavy now from castlewood. i'll have more tuesday traffic for you still ahead. >> i'm cate caugiran live in belmont where police are searching for a missing autistic teen. right now time is of the essence. he has been missing for more than 11 hours now. just a few hours ago, we know that belmont police were combing through ralston middle school where we are at with a team of search dogs. the teen's father says he waited for him at the library but he wasn't there yesterday afternoon. here's a photo of the missing teen. 16-year-old tyler edward simmons, his familiar i lives in fremont but used to live in belmont where tyler is a student at carlmont high school. the teenager is autistic with the mental capacity of a 8-year- old and is somewhat antisocial last seen wear a gray sipup sweater black jeans, black bean any and white shoes. police say they don't suspect foul play but they believe he got into an argument with his parents causing him to leave. cate caugiran, kpix 5. marin county supervisors will meet in a few hours to discuss the worsening drought. they will hear from water officials about conservation measures and tonight the santa clara valley water district will take up a proposal on water conservation. they may ask people to cut voluntarily by 10% or more. kiet do shows us a freeway that you can cut your water consumption and save money. kiet, you invited a water expert to your home to see how much water you were wasting. >> reporter: yeah. you know, i figured i'm a pretty green guy environmentally-friendly consideration got the thing figured out. i ordered a water audit for my house and it was an eye-opening experience. he is perhaps the only kind of auditor you would ever welcome into your house. >> hi, i'm drew. >> reporter: drew mathers with the santa clara valley water district inspects homes to prove what a horrible water waster you are all for free. are you here to judge me? >> yes. we are here to see how much water you're using and hopefully find ways to save. >> reporter: he measures flow rates using a plastic bag. it turns out those showerheads and all three facets were fine but just -- faucets were fine but just to be safe he put on a regulator reducing it from 2.1.75 gallons a minute. you won't notice the difference. >> you can put these little dye tablets in the toilet. >> reporter: we discovered one of the toilets had a slow leak. drew actually fixed that too again for free. but most home water waste is in the irrigation system. one of my sprinkler heads was clogged causing it to spray as a fine mist. up to 40% can be lost to evaporation. also, there was not one or two or three but four busted sprinkler heads wasting hundreds of gallons a month. most people don't notice because sprinklers come on while they are still in bed. i followed drew's advice and he just shut the whole thing down until i can get it fixed. >> i feel like a failure. >> no, don't feel like a failure. the whole point is not to make you feel bad. it's just to identify and help you conserve water and then also save money on your water bill. >> reporter: so here in the santa clara valley water district, if you replace your lawn, they will actually reimburse you $1 for every square foot so check with your local water department see if they have some kind of water audit. most of them do. you can save yourself a lot of water and money. live in san jose, kiet do, kpix 5. happening today, directors at east bay m.u.d. will vote on a plan to possibly pipe water from the sacramento river to east bay reservoirs. it's part of a partnership they have with sacramento counties but only in years like this when there's a drought and would raise rates $6 a month for the average customer. >> i lived through the '70s where you had to water ration. they put your name in the paper if you didn't. so yeah, we're willing to do what it takes. >> the freeport facility was just completed in 2010. despite the potential for extra help, east bay m.u.d. is still asking people to conserve. to see how bad the drought is and to find resources for saving water, just head to our website, kpix.com/drought. >> lawrence, you were up in folsom lake over the weekend. >> unbelievably low there. in fact, so low, folks are seeing things they haven't seen in quite some time looking for gold finding a little gold out there as well but water levels are so low. we may get a break. we have showers headed in our direction a lot of clouds this morning although it is staying dry right now. but that could change especially north of the golden gate bridge. you could see some of that rain headed up to far northern california but all those clouds rolling over the top of a ridge of high pressure, we have to get that ridge out of the way and then we have a chance of rain. hi-def doppler radar is scanning your skies. got some activity up in the sierra nevada in the foothills there. otherwise it is staying fairly dry. the clouds continuing to move on through. the temperatures are staying mild this morning generally in the 40s and the 50s. slight chance of some sprinkles north of the golden gate bridge throughout the day today and some cooler temperatures, too. about 62 degrees in santa rosa and 61 in san francisco. good morning, everybody. we are starting off "kcbs traffic" with another slow commute for the altamont pass. no accidents or anything but westbound 580 backed up from the 205 interchange stays slow through livermore and pleasanton approaching the dublin interchange. set aside extra time for that commute. over the sunol grade, southbound 680 slow from castlewood to beyond highway 84 so lots of traffic on this tuesday morning. in fact, if you are heading for the bay bridge toll plaza, traffic is backed up from the foot of the maze with the metering lights on. it's been a decent commute in the silicon valley. no big accidents for santa clara, san jose. just a bit of slow traffic for north 101 leaving 280. that's your "kcbs traffic." now to frank. twin brothers out of san jose are behind bars now for allegedly killing a man at a birthday party. 18-year-old ahn and duc tong are accused of stabbing a 22- year-old man by the name of richard phan. police say the victim was trying to break up a fight sunday morning when he was killed. having identical twins poses a problem but through independent suspect interviews and interviews and evidence that was gathered at the scene, i think that we're confident that again that we have the individuals that were responsible. >> police say the twins were not invited to the party but tagged along with a friend who was invited. new year, new agenda. but will president obama have a new message at tonight's state of the union address? let's find out. our political analyst melissa griffin-caen joins us with a preview of what's to come. >> reporter: tonight you're going to see president obama let his democrat flag fly. he is going to put forth a more unabashedly partisan liberal agenda because because he is not up for re-election for anything ever again and also because there are a number of democrats running for congress this year who could use a good party spokesman. so he is going to talk about wage inequality, wealth inacademy. he will talk about fairness and the american dream. the idea that if you play by the rules and work really hard you will get ahead and how that's being eroded. it's a popular subject. indeed, among republicans, about 45% according to a recent pew research poll 45% of republicans want the federal government to do something about income inequality. that number is around 90% for democrats. so again, very popular. he will be talking about his unemployment insurance extension, minimum wage increase, and potentially closing tax loopholes for the wealthiest people and for very wealthy industries like the oil industry and perhaps using that money to help the middle class. so he may also use the bully pulpit to talk about the debt ceiling as republicans want concessions to raise the debt ceiling on or before february 7 so the president may make the case to the american people about why he wants a clean or no concessions in it debt ceiling bill. >> he will make his case. what about the response? >> we have at least three responses. there may be even more. but the official gop response is to be given by congresswoman cathy rodgers. mike lee and rand paul plan to videotape himself and put it on youtube so there's going to be no shortages of responses and they are going to talk about obamacare both in the sense that they are going to take aim at it and call it a failed policy, et cetera, but they also released their own version of healthcare reform so look to them to introduce their plan to the country to fix healthcare insurance in america. >> midterm elections in november so he is probably going to touch on that? >> reporter: absolutely. he will give some cover to people running for congress who are dealing with and sort of stuck with obamacare whether they voted for it or not. and also the nsa scandal he will make the case for the recent changes that he made with regard to spying at the highest levels. >> he has a few things to talk about. >> reporter: it's going to be long. >> thank you. we'll have special live coverage of the president's speech on air and online beginning at 6:00. it's super bowl week. the top apps to get you through the game without missing a beat. >> and how about the market? it opened up a few minutes ago. let's take a quick peek at the early numbers. a rocky last week and we are out of the gate a mixed bag. the dow looking good. jason brooks will talk all things business when we come back. ,, ,,,,,,,,,, female announcer: female announcer: when you see this truck, it means another neighbor is going to sleep better tonight because they went to sleep train's ticket to tempur-pedic event. choose from a huge selection of tempur-pedic models, including the new tempur-choice with head-to-toe customization. plus, get 36 months interest-free financing, two free pillows, and free same-day delivery. 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quarter. the s&p kay schiller home price index down a tenth of a percent overall in november from the month before. bay area did rebound up slightly in november by four- tenths of a percent after a drop in october. bay area also up 23.2% on the year second biggest gain only to las vegas. the overall 20-city index was up 13.7% year-over-year. wall street trying to snap a nasty losing skid. outside tech things are looking good. let's check the big board. the dow is up by 80. nasdaq just turned positive up by one despite apple. s&p up by 7 points. back to you. >> thank you. tough couple of days. thank you. let's check the roads with liza. >> good morning, everybody. we are starting off "kcbs traffic" with this ace train delay taking them a while to clear up this delay on ace train number 3 running about 9 minutes late. fortunately we haven't had any major problems this morning with the bart system. they are running on time. no delays either for the ferries or caltrain. as we move on and check on the bay bridge commute, you're going to be sitting in backups unfortunately this morning it's slow from the foot of the maze with metering lights on. no problems west 92, slow at midspan and picks up no problems into foster city. 880 as it rolls through oakland right at the top of your screen, you can see some of that slow traffic northbound traffic slow on your approach to the 980. delays at "a" street. pockets of heavy traffic through pittsburg into concord. silicon valley commuting has been great. we are seeing the usual slowing for southbound 880 as we transition to west 237 but no major accidents 280 very light heading to and through downtown san jose. north 101's crowded now from beyond the 280/680 interchange. we are looking for rain this morning, so far none yet. a whole lot of clouds, chance of rain developing the next couple of days, maybe sprinkles north of the golden gate bridge for today. a lot of clouds in the skies still we have to wait for the jet stream to dip further to the south before we start talking about substantial rain. we are scanning your skies looking for a couple of sprinkles outside right now. it is dry. but a chance of a couple raindrops north of the golden gate bridge the next couple of days. so as we head throughout the day today starting out with plenty of clouds and cloudy skies continuing into the afternoon but mostly dry. another chance of rain a more substantial chance for the bay area late wednesday fight into thursday the most substantial soaking we'll have had in quite some time. high pressure to the south of the system holding the jet to the north so that's your rain line keeping the moisture north of us but that will likely change toward late wednesday. delays now at sfo on arriving flights up to almost an hour because of all the cloud cover early on this morning. if you are heading across the country, wow, it is going to be unbelievably cold in chicago. three degrees for the high there. wind chills well below zero and dangerous wind chills there. 20 degrees the expected high in new york. even cold -- even snow into houston at 36 degrees. computer models picking up on the system moving through the bay area bringing sprinkles to the north most of that north of the golden gate bridge. wednesday night into thursday rain shifts south with the jet stream. temperatures today still mild but cooler, 50s at the coastline, mid-60s san jose, 61 san francisco. next couple of days we'll keep things mostly cloudy with a slight chance of sprinkles to the north better chance of rain for everyone on thursday, leftover showers on friday and then another chance of showers by sunday. let's check your schoolcast for today. this one for frick middle school in oakland. we have a lot of clouds, should be mild start, temperatures in the 50s. near 60 by noon. and probably some low 60s when you get out of school. if you would like to have us do a schoolcast for you go to kpix.com/schoolcast and we'll put that on the air. frick middle school the place to be today. >> well done, lawrence. 6:48. sitting in front of big screen isn't enough for super bowl sunday, right? >> now we have multiple screens at our fingertips. we have the best apps to help us all watch the game. >> multiple screens because i will have my tablet and my phone with me during the game. >> of course you will. >> if you are one of those too you will want these apps. if you are one of most people who will watch from home, you might be viewing something the nfl is calling home gating. and they have an app for that. so the app lets you not only plan a party and invite your friends, even let you send out this cool invite, but you have also got a huge library of recipes from one of the executive chefs at the nfl. he also has some videos there with tips on how to make sure you're cooking that food right. >> that's a great idea. >> it is! >> i'm tired of guac and chips. >> there are some of those recipes. >> you have to. >> buffalo wings, sliders, what have you. if you really want to get pumped for the game, fan cake is an app you want. it's an app that lets you make predictions during and before the game so it will ask you things like who will win the game and during the game, who will the next pass be complete, who will get the next touchdown, and as you make correct predictions, you earn points. and they are not arbitrary. you can redeem those points for real-life prizes so this year, fan cake is giving out $10,000 to one luck winner, plus netflix subscriptions, fan cake box with a bunch of swag from the company. now, that is basically good for anyone even if you are not crazy about sports. you want the cbs sports preplay app. that one lets you predict on every, single down so you have to know your stats and your players for this. >> that will be michelle, by the way. >> obviously. >> come on, brady! >> now, yahoo sports is another favorite by a lot of sports fans. you can follow the game, get news, stats, but they also added a new feature for ios 7 called yahoo sports loops and what that lets you do is it lets you choose a memorable moment during the game as it happens and turn it into a clip that is looped where you can add your own caption to it and then share it with your friends. i'm sure you have seen these kinds of things online. same idea. but all in the app. and finally, whether or not you care about the game, sports or football in general, you have got to get the shazamm app! if that sounds familiar it is the app that lets you hold your phone up to the radio to see what song is playing. [ laughter ] >> but for the super bowl they are doing something special. where the moment the app detects that you're watching the game it will launch this timeline that lets you follow every piece of media that's happening during the game. and that includes commercials. this is huge for me because i hate pausing, replaying the commercials. you can replay the commercials right from the app. >> if you want to watch the football game you can do that, too. >> right. >> some days you just sit and watch. >> 9ers aren't in it. so come on, now. >> well, there is a team that she is fond of. >> oh, we'll talk later. >> thank you. time now for a look at what's coming up later on "cbs this morning." >> norah oden joins us live in new york with more. >> good morning. >> reporter: top of the morning to you, frank and michelle. ahead of the president's state of the union address, he is announcing he is going to take executive action to raise the minimum wage for some federal workers. we are going to talk to white house chief of staff denis mcdonough about what else to expect tonight plus we'll take you inside the top secret location right around here where the super bowl security command center is up and running. and billy joel says he is unretiring at almost age 65 so we sit down with the piano man as he starts the next phase of his career. it was packed at madison square garden last night. always good to hear some billy joel tunes in the morning. >> i can't believe he is 65. >> i know. >> amazing. >> he is the best, though. >> see you at 7:00. >> have a great da. live in belmont, a desperate search to find a missing autistic teen continues. we'll tell you why an argument may be key to his disappearance. ,,,, bulldog: bulldog: you know, not all heroes wear capes. you know, some wear fur. and mattress discounters good deed dogs is here to help them. meet yara. she helps veterans like marv stay independent. this is caspin. he helps wallace with things she can't do on her own. and goldie helps children with developmental disabilities, while suzie works with people in the hospital. you can be a hero, too. give it mattressdiscountersdogs.com, or any mattress discounters. mattress discounters good deed dogs: helping dogs help people. hales corners, wisconsin. nice pass by alyson dudek. can she hang on to that spot? and she does! 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[monotone] she says, "switch to progressive and you could save hundreds." call or click today. pushing to the deep south t. a winter storm warning stres five things to know at the :55. the record cold weather in the midwest is pushing to the deep south today. a winter storm warning stretches from the gulf coast of texas across the south to the atlantic seaboard in virginia. and in the north, wind chills as low as 30 below zero have forced schools to close and officials to plead with people to stay indoors. house and senate negotiatedders have come to an agreement on a farm subsidy bill. the five-year deal would expand insurance payments to farmers paid out in years when they have bad crops while eliminate the the controversial direct payment which pays farmers whether they plant or not. president obama will deliver the state of the union tonight. the mayor of san francisco will be among many special guests sitting in the first lady's box. among the items on the president's agenda are an extension to unemployment benefits and increase in the minimum wage and expanded access to early childhood education. and today marks 28 years since the challenger disaster. on january 28, 1986, the space shuttle exploded 73 seconds after liftoff from cape canaveral. all 7 crew members on board including schoolteacher christa mcauliffe out of new hampshire died. it forced nasa to create a new office of safety and some design improvements. where have all the flowers gone ♪ long time pass ♪ >> the music world lost a legend last night. folk singer and activist pete seeger has died. where have all the flowers gone is one of his best known songs. it was an antiwar anthem. his family said he died of natural causes. he was 94 years old. i'm cate caugiran live in belmont where the search to find a missing autistic teen continues. he has been missing for 12 hours. we are just getting a new report now that this teen has been found. we have a picture of him to show you. we don't have a photo of him. uhm, so -- [ pause ] >> we just lost ifb at this point in time. so we'll just get back to you when we have more information on this story. >> all right. sometimes tv has a little gremlin in there. that was cate caugiran. we'll get more information as soon as we get it. how's traffic? traffic is okay. we are getting reports of a new accident. as we start off our traffic expect delays now san tomas expressway at saratoga's currently shut down blocking the intersection. this is always busy in the santa clara area. and if you are heading toward the altamont pass, that's been slow going. you can see our sensors picking up. traffic down to 23 miles per hour. the traffic is heavy to the dublin interchange. it's been slow going for the i- 80 commute leading towards the bay bridge toll plaza. those backups extend to the foot of the maze with the metering lights on. lots of clouds outside right now. seeing delays at sfo on arriving flights of almost an hour. our hi-def doppler radar scanning the skies looking for some raindrops. so far, it's fairly quiet outside right now but that could change. there's a slight chance of sprinkles north of the golden gate bridge as we head throughout the day today. temperatures expected to be in the 50s and a few mid-60s in some of the interior valleys. i think a slight chance of showers continuing through wednesday north of the golden gate bridge. then a chance of rain for everyone late wednesday night into thursday. chance of showers on friday. dry on saturday. another slight chance of showers as we look toward sunday. so it's nice that at least we got a chance of some scattered showers. >> yay, good news. >> that is great. we don't want to give you a quick update. we were talking about this autistic teen that's been missing. he has been found. captions by: caption colorado comments@captioncolorado.com good morning to our viewers in the west. it is tuesday, january 28th, 2014. welcome to "cbs this morning." subzero temperatures paralyze the midwest. rare snow and ice aimed for the south. thousands of flights canceled. president obama will use t state of the union to make a major announcement on the minimum wage. we'll ask his chief of staff how far he'll go. and the launoss of a folk mc legend. we remember pete seeger. >> we begin with your world in 90 seconds. >> i am freezing, freezing, freezing. this is russia. >> the deep south braces for an arctic blast. >> winter storm watches and warnings from virginia all the
will start to warm up into the fifties it tomorrow afternoon. it is not going to stay that way. it's coming back later this week i will tell you win, coming up. >> abc seven days or storm watch weather station. you can download are smart phone app to stay one step ahead of the weather. >> it is a complicated issue that has been under the microscope for several years. now a group of senators is getting together to reform our country's immigration policy. let's go live now to capitol for a look at this new push. >> it is just a blueprint at this point, but there are some key bipartisan players. they are trying to capitalize on the post election demand that congress start working together. immigration reform as complex controversial, and so far unsuccessful. but today, a bipartisan group of senators unveiled a plan that could be a breakthrough. >> today is an important fur step in what will be a significantly complicated journey. >> this will be the year congress finally gets it done. >> the plan would create a plan for citizenship for the 11 million illegals already here. it would reform legal emigration, the word green cards to those who earn advanced math and science degrees and come up with a verification system to make sure illegal workers are not hired. >> we have been to contend for too long to allow individuals to mow our lawns, save our -- clean air homes and watch our children while not afford them any of the benefits that make our country so great. >> the biggest obstacle lot -- lies in the republican controlled house. they have changed as well. latinos may have 10% of the voters and president obama 171%. yesterday, illinois became the effort -- the fourth state to allow undocumented immigrants to get their drivers' licenses. the devil is in the details at this point. there is momentum. the president goes to nevada tomorrow to unveil his own the plant for immigration reform. >> thank you. also on capitol tonight, we are waiting for the senate to approve nearly $51 billion in aid for areas hit by super storms and the. the emergency relief bill would go too hard hit parts of new jersey and new york. at least $16 billion would go to state and local governments. some lawmakers complained fell measure will add to the nation's debt. >> president obama is calling on law enforcement officers to help convince congress to pass them on legislation. he asked police from newtown, conn., an aurora colorado to add their voices to the gun debate. the president says he realizes the issue raises passions from all across the country but congress will pay attention to police. >> the case of a former culpeper police officer accused of murder is a man has of the jury following closing arguments. he says he shot patricia cut in self-defense last february. he said she tracked his arm in the window of her vehicle and drove off. he was not armed. -- she was not armed. he was responding to called a suspicious vehicle of a church parking lot. a sentencing in the case of john leopold. he is undergoing a bench trial. he's accused of using his police detail for personal matters including having officers stand guard while he had sex with a county employee in a parking lot. closing arguments begin tomorrow morning. we are counting down tonight to super bowl 47. >> ravens fans are flocking into new orleans ahead of the weekend showdown. they will have plenty to do down there to keep themselves entertained. let's go to the big easy for a look at the sights and sounds. what is the ravens than to do? new orleans is so boring. >> say that again question or >> i was just kidding. >> i can't hear you. there's a blimp overhead. just to give you a glimpse of what's going on tonight -- the super dome has been renamed. it is the mercedes benz superdome. i have all these little kiosks and things and putting up a huge image of avertin davis from the san francisco forty-niners. if you know anything about football, you will know that is a maryland terrapin right there some of the district of columbia. the superdome is looking a lot better than the last time i was in new orleans for hurricane katrina. this is the place where people took refuge with the waters rose. they put a lot of money into it to make it look absolutely perfect. as we look into downtown new orleans, just past that is the french quarter. that is one of the places where the fans will be heading, looking for music and good food. sorry to say we have not had a chance to sample any of that good food since we arrived, but it is in our plan. people are looking for gumbo and jambalaya and po boys. alligator is on the menu here in new orleans here and when you eat, you will be hearing music. there is street musician everywhere, blues groups and jazz groups. it's a quiet town right now, but people are starting to show up and it's going to be a wild week. >> thank you. thousands of fans packed said baltimore inner harbor today for a rally for the ravens. the loudest cheers were for linebacker ray lewis to plans to retire after the superbowl. after the rally, the team headed straight to the airport to fly to new orleans. today is the 12th anniversary of the ravens only super bowl victory as of yet. finding a job can be tough, but coming up, recent college graduates have a very specific problem trying to when those jobs. >> an outpouring of deadly nightclub fire. who the authorities are questioning tonight. >> a major windfall for the district of columbia -- a major budget surpl >> shop has given way to brief tonight in southern brazil. mourners turned out by the thousands to remember the victims of the deadly nightclub fire of the weekend. at least 233 people were killed when an aunt or pyrotechnics display set the club on fire. nearly half of the attendees were students from a nearby university. authorities are questioning three people, including the club's manager, a band member, and head of security at a club. >> d.c. has a problem on that it can but not a bad problem. >> a $400 million surplus was discovered in the city's budget and now they're trying to figure out to use it. out that there are plenty of ideas about what to do with this money. >> lots of ideas. you're about to hear some interesting ones. right now, the city of d.c. has about $1.2 billion in cash reserves. that's not counting this new $400 million. as you can imagine there's a tug of war going on in the city council about what to do with all the money. talk of extra money in the bank for the city of d.c. is leading to a loss of opinions. save it or spend it? $400 million -- a budget surplus is available after stronger revenue collections and economy. d.c. city leaders already have a wish list of where the city should spend money, we decided to ask the people of d.c. with the money should be spent on. one woman did not hesitate to put out the trash in the streets. >> you look around and see how much needs to be done. look at the streets. the count 30 it is. >> want spending solution is improving education. just friday, a city funded university cut nearly 100 positions from its staff and faculty to actually save money. another top suggestion is refunding the money. >> that might help the economy. give the people a refund and they will spend the money. that will keep some people higher at and boost people a little bit. >> you don't have to go far to see someone in need. 15,000 people are homeless in d.c., including about 1000 families. >> there's a lot of homeless people year. >> here is the city council wish list -- topping it, homeless services welfare programs, and education for $9.5 billion. tomorrow, we should know more about the budget surplus. the city's chief financial officer will release the annual report and we might hear more from the mayor and city council as to what their ideas are. >> thank you. still to come, college graduates are being hit especially hard right now when it comes to finding work and their education could be the problem. >> taking a live look outside, we're looking forward to a few days of warmth after this long cold spell. >> in front of the superdome we're getting ready for super bowl 47 in the shadow of the french quarter. the reagans arrived this afternoon. they're getting ready for the biggest game of their life -- >> the summer anniversary today -- the 27th anniversary of the space shedder -- space shuttle challenger disaster. exploded 73 seconds into flight. it was blamed on a cracked zero rain. all seven astronauts on board were killed, including christa mcauliffe, a would have been the first teacher in space. >> a new study today says 40% of graduates are overqualified for their jobs. the findings come from the center of college affordability and productivity. the numbers highlight a growing disconnection between what employers need and the qualifications of recent graduates. >> just a gray and a yankee looking day out there. >> it will be a little better going home this evening. no ice warnings for a while. probably won't get back to below freezing until thursday. but look at this cloud -- a cloud cover as we go through sunset. a few breaks visible to the west. this is temporary. will have quite a bit of cloudiness but it's a sign the front is on the move and will slowly but surely deliver a warmer temperatures. 43 and now and 49 in martinsburg. a little more rain it may come our way out later tonight. a big spread in temperatures. 21 degrees warmer in fredericksburg. just an indication the air mass is starting to change. that colder air moving out and a warmer air moving in. 44 and 33 are the high and low. 44 and 29 are the averages. the record high it set back in 1946. we're not going to get that warm but '60s possible. no freezing of the water on the ground. new england still in the southern fringes of this arctic air mass, but a warm front is making its way through the mid- atlantic. 71 right now. 72 in little rock. some of that will be dependent on how much sunshine we get. lower 50s with some sun and jumping into the sixties and had a strong moving cold front. satellite radar with a disturbance moving through overnight. the biggest effect will be the areas of dense fog as we get through the overnight hours. things moving along smartly with the clouds and then a few breaks possible. on wednesday, a big push of warm air ahead of the cold front and showers and thunderstorms possible in the evening. after that, things start to turn cooler again. 53 for a high in the next seven days, then turning sharply colder as we had through friday and the weekend. punxsutawney for -- punxsutawney phil will jump up and down to celebrate. >> and now between the sports desk, brought to you by your local toyota dealers. >> you know ravens' fans will have something to celebrate. >> to is that handsome and reporting from new orleans? >> great to see. new orleans is in the sports spotlight. there shrank to show the world how far that comes as the devastation of hurricane katrina in 2005. hotels will be filled from biloxi to baton rouge. more than 5000 media members are here to document all. superbowl and mardi gras have collided this week. a big sendoff and baltimore and the coaches and players of the ravens are meeting with the meeting -- meeting with the media right now. jacoby jones is it from the area. >> i'm speechless when it comes to talking about going home for this super bowl. it's amazing. every doesn't get this chance to even play of the super bowl or when the super bowl. it's amazing to me. i'm just soaking it up and really enjoying every minute, every second, being around my teammates. >> a very humble had read -- a 40 niners got to new orleans yesterday, but with the press at wed to the french quarter. the coach says the team is not here to party. >> the same approach as always. enjoy the moment, enjoy the preparation. that's what our team enjoys the most is the practice and the meetings and especially the competition. >> how about for golf fans? tiger woods at torrey pines this afternoon. as a matter of fact, this was his season debut. he had is a game to all the rounds despite a delay. they had to stop play because of darkness. it is his eighth career win at torrey pines. tiger woods wins by four shots at the farmers insurance open. the caps get their first win of the season. last night, the first goal of the year for alex. they play ottawa tomorrow night. then they head home, but they have three points in the southeast division. alex gets his first goal of the year. the big story right here in new orleans, super bowl 47. things are starting to gear up a little bit as we head toward a super bowl sunday. >> a long, fund countdown. >> we will see you in a bit. and finally to your forecast in comeback. there are over 200 varieties of gourmet coffee that have earned the "keurig brewed" seal of approval. the keurig brewed seal is our commitment that the coffee inside willeliver a delicious cup of coffee every time. keurig brewed -- look for the only rk of genuine keurig quality. >> what we have to look forward to next few days? 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of your retirement today. ♪ ♪ snoop i get a little time off next week. martha: yes do you. bill: let's settle this right now are you going the ravens. martha: i'm going the ravens. bill: why are you doing that. martha: i did a little more research and i thought i'm going to root for the ravens. bill: she you. bye-bye. jon: we begin with this fox news alert, one person has been killed in a terrorist attack at the u.s. embassy in turkey. a homicide bomber setting off the blast in front of that facility today killing a turkish guard. several injuries also reported in the explosion. the u.s. state department says it is working with turkish police to investigate the attack. it is also warning american citizens in turkey to avoid high-risk areas and to remain alert. the story still developing right now. much course we will continue to keep an eye on it, bring you the latest coming up in a live report. and right now, brand-new stories, and breaking news. jenna: the hostage crisis involving a five-year-old boy being held in an underground bunker now entering its third day. we'll speak with a former f.b.i. profiler about that tense situation. what do you do now? we'll talk about it. also new job numbers from washington. our unemployment picture is thrown into reverse a little bit. we'll break down the today the a tell you what it means for your wallet and the economy. and for some the super bowl is nothing but filler between those often-times hysterical commercials. jon: love them. jenna: we have a sneak peak at madison avenue's finest. it's all "happening now." take a look at unemployment rate, the new one that we got today i think it's going in the wrong direction. the news not all bad, not all good, we'll work through it for you everybody. glad to have you with us on friday. i'm jenna lee. jon: i'm glad it's friday. i'm jon scott. employers adding $157,000 jobs in january continuing the slow pace of job growth we have seen in recent months and years. it didn't make a dent in the unemployment rate. in fact the nation's jobless rate rising in january to 7.9%, clearly not good news. that doesn't seem to be phasing wall street, though. take a look at the dow, up more than 130 points, and approaching 14,000. senior white house foreign affairs correspondent wednesday algoler joins us live. >> reporter: as one analyst put it the top line is not so good but the bottom line is really not so bad. the jobless rate ticked up a 10th of a point which is the wrong direction but a reasonable number of jobs were created and when you have the revisions of november and december administration officials say the past three months beat the average monthly job creation of the past two years. private sector employers added 157,000 jobs last month, though 9,000 government jobs were lost. most of the gains in healthcare and retail, though manufacturers added -- had a small gain. november and desiree viciouse and desire december december revisions. that is 200,000 private sector jobs each of the past three months. the economy added 180,000 jobs a month the past two years, which is 170,000 jobs a month less than many economists if not most economists would like to see, jon. jon: what is the republican reaction to all this. >> reporter: john boehner questioned the president's decision not to renew the khaert of hi charter of his job's council. they didn't think much of the recommendation other than to fast track the keystone pipeline. john boehner said, quote this is the wrong time for president obama to scrap his job's council and delay his budget. month after month we see the same thing, high unemployment and more debt. 12million americans are still unemployed and it's been that way for far too long. the president's advisers say it's also the wrong time for the threat to let across the board spending cuts take the place of a balanced approach to deficit reduction. the chairman of the president's council of economic advisers said, quote, today's report is a reminder of the importance of the need for congress to act to avoid self-inflicted wounds to the economy. on the plus side there was a jump in hiring despite the uncertainty washington faced as it flirted with going over the fiscal cliff at the end of the year. jon. jon: wendell goler at the white house krupb -fg some number crunching some numbers for us, thank you. jenna: for more of a look at the 7.9 unemployment rate we'll take a look a little bit of how the numbers really affect the average american. right now the labor department says there are nearly 12.5 million unemployed americans in this country. that doesn't include the so-called marginally attached. there's nearly 2.5 million people who are unemployed who have stopped looking for a new job, that is the number that represents them, or the 8 million people who are forced to work part time because they simply can't find full time work. overall the jobless problem is expecting close to 23 million people, and that is a number we've referenced quite frankly consistently over the last several years. joining me is a editor and columnist at the "wall street journal." we are taking a look at market. right at 14,000. >> market loves it. dow jones above 14,000. the revision -gs in the last few months in 2012 really give people confidence that there is in fact some momentum building in the job market. construction jobs in particular up 28,000. that sector has been lagging for so long, jenna. the numbers are not great, right? we know they are not great but again it's all about expectations, and at this point we are better than sort of the bad expectations we were sort of baking in in the end of 2012. jenna: you mentioned revisions. we get the initial number and the next month we'll get a revision, the next month after that we'll get another revision. hopefully the numbers are giving us a more accurate picture of what is really going on in the job market. how do you think this is setting the tone for the year ahead, as far as what to expect to see in the job market? >> at least in the beginning of the stock market it's been a stellar year for 2013. the equity market up 5%. this giving a boost out there. people are feeling that no, it's not great, that it's a slow growth return to sort of some sense of normalcy. we want to create tv sound bytes and tidbits and how the economy is doing. jenna: of course we do. >> the economy of 300 million people just moves a little more slowly than that. at least right now i'd say the tortoise is moving, he's moving in the right direction general your big take away is not fabulous but positive that we are still seeing some sort of job growth in the economy. >> right. one thing that is happening on a secular basis is that companies are really still not in the mood to hire. and forget about what is happening in unemployment or the financial crisis of the past two years. technology, computers, software, all these things are frankly more efficient and more -- less costly than putting people into businesses. and that i think is sort of the bigger question we're going to have to answer as a country is where does that role of automation and personal value come in to the unemployment situation. companies are saying right now, readee rather put in machines. jenna: it's interesting you mention that. when you look at the labor force and the number of the labor force we've seen that number drop, it's at a 30-year low. if we had the same amount of people that were in the labor force, you know, three, four years ago our unemployment rate would be above 10%. >> sure. re the people that have fallen out of the labor force simply will never return to the labor force? >> a lot of economists have done work on this. i think that is a fair point for a large number of these people. jenna: what happens to these families? >> that's the tough part and that's the price of you might call it progress, or the cost of progress, because computers really are getting so much better at doing so many of the things that humans used to do, and so in some ways the financial crisis, and the credit boom, that's kind of a distraction from the bigger changes in how computers are changing our lives. that linting, i would love to hear the president talk about that, the people who are sort of making the decisions. jenna: this new economy that we are entering. >> the new economy. we talk about the wealth of facebook and twitter. a lot of ways that is putting people out of work too 0. jenna: interesting. grosgrowth may be positive but also negative, a double-edged sword. great to have you. >> thank u. bill: get back to outhank you skwro*pbgz one death and several injuries reported. turkey's prime minister confirming a homicide bomber launched the attack in front of the facility today killing a turkish guard. amy kellogg live from our london bureau with that. amy. >> reporter: hi, jon. no one has yet claimed responsibility for this terrorist attack which obviously killed the suicide bomber, but also as you mentioned, jon, killed that turkish guard at the perimeter of the u.s. embassy, and, jon, according to fox sources in turkey that attack also wounded a very well respected female turkish journalist who according to that source had been the first person, the first journalist to interview ambassador richardioni and he apparently has gone to visit her in the hospital. she is apparently in serious condition. it turns out according to turkish authorities that the bomber was a member of a far left militant revolutionary group called the people's liberation front which initial here went off turkish military and military installations but in recent decades shifted to targeting u.s. military and diplomatic personnel. leftist groups are on the list of domestic security threats that turkey faces and they are known to periodically set off bombs. they are the last category initially suspected in there since there are al-qaida affiliated groups very active in groups and kurdish separatists have been active. you have the war with syria going on at turkey's border. the bombing happened apartment the security check-point in ankara'da which is 20-yard from the main emce epl embassy compound and that's probably why no americans were injured. it's in the heart of the turkish capitol. not far from other embassies or the parliament. this came as a great shock to many. finally, jon of interest as well according to this fox news source in turkey, this marxist group that is believed to be responsible for the attack often uses wounded people as suicide bombers. it is believed that this bomber may have done time in jail and was released from jail because he was so sick and they believe he used plastic explosives for this attack. jon: obviously very important given the climate we're in, but the thinking at this moment is that this was not al-qaida related. >> reporter: exactly. jon: amy kellogg reporting from london thank you. jenna: it is the first day of february. that's health and heart month. you're supposed to wear red today. you didn't get that memo, right. jon: i didn't get the memo. jenna: one out of three women will actually die of heart disease. it's a really big deal when we take a look at our health, and also the health of all of our hearts. we will he'll talk a little bit about brand-new studies about whether or not you should be vegetarian. i'm looking at you jon. whether you should have those energy drinks or drink that coffee, we'll dig a little deeper on that. national red day heart month. we'll watch for that. also february means the super bowl, right? super bowl sunday. and you know we're not just waiting for the games we are waiting for the commercials too we'll have a preview of what you can expect to see this year coming up next. that locks like a good one. 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there was a big study done in england and scotland, tens of thousands of people all vegetarians, they were looking at a vegetarian diet. they found out if you're a vegetarian you are 30% less likely to be hospitalized for heart disease. does that mean that we should all be vegetarians and skirt past heart disease? >> i think that is one piece of the puzzle. we know that weurpl under treated and underserved. we know that more women than men die of heart disease every year. jenna: why is that, by the way, why are women so much likely? >> i think that women typically don't present with heart disease because they take care of husbands and children, and they put their own needs behind the need of their family, and often we see that they deny symptoms. another interesting point is that their symptoms are quite different in women than in men tph-pl cases skra in many cases skrao let's gecases. jenna: when it comes vegetarian, how we're going to feed our family and plan it for the next year, being more vegetarian, does that help. >> it certainly does help. we know that red meat can raise cholesterol, cause higher blood pressures and a healthy diet full of vegetables and that sort of thing does make a difference it can increase your good cholesterol, decrease your bad cholesterol. everything in moderation. you need a balanced diet. and exercise as well. jenna: i'm a hamburger eater. >> i have to admit i do eat some red meat. jenna: everything in moderation. on the computer crossed the latest note from the cdc about the flu. when you look at symptoms when it comes to women heart disease, you feel flew i shall, you feel aches and pains, nauseous. >> you need to know what you're risks are. you need to know the risk factors for cardiac disease, if you know the risk factors and you have these odd system you can take care of it. jenna: if i say i have the flu, i'm not feeling great. is it up to me to say to the doctor can you check my heart, can we take a listen is that all it would take? >> you have to find a physician that you can partner with and engage in your own healthcare with. if you have a physician that you aren't able to do that with i think you need to find a different physician. yes, you need to know what your risk is. >> there wit jenna: there as you a separate study about teenagers and energy drinks. that is something big for aufrl us now. caffeine you have extra supplements you can drink, make you feel better, give you more energy. how does this figure into the whole thing of heart disease and heart health? >> we know that these energy drinks can be very detrimental in patients who do have cardiac disease whether they know it or know it can precipitate heart attacks, strokes and cause large spikes in blood pressure. in children it can cause sleep disturb aepbs disturbances. it can worse even adhd, change moods, it's very, very dangerous in children as well. jenna: that is something to avoid. nice red by the way. i'm glad you're in the spirit for the month as well. appreciate you coming in dr. campbell. jon: the copilot of an alaska airlines flight comes to the rescue when the pilot passes out in midair. a look at how he and the rest of the crew managed to get more than 100 passengers safely on the ground, that is coming up. , and we are learning more about a fatal chain reaction crash in michigan that we first told you about yesterday. some startling new developments coming up in a live report. . ... jenna: flight from los angeles to seattle turns terrifying when the pilot suffers a medical emergency while in flight. an alaska airlines spokesperson said he lost consciousness somewhere over oregon. fortunately the copilot was able to land the plane safely. those are the book end of the story. there is lot in between. anna kooiman has the story. >> reporter: appears nobody was hurt on alaska airlines 473. the airliner landed safely and the hospital was taken to the hospital where they suspect food poisonings or a flu virus caused the pilot to pass out. a spokesman for the airline told us the pilot's condition greatly improved. the pilot, a 28 year veteran of alaska airlines fainted and came to and left the cockpit a passenger who happened to be a doctor gave him medical care. the copilot landed aircraft in portland where emergency crews left them. around 6:30 the 116 passengers and five crewmembers left l.a. making emergency landing in portland that was around 9:00 t was supposed to land in seattle 9:30 p.m. 20 passengers were rerouted to a partner airline and flown to seattle last night. the remaining passengers continued on with a new pilot. just last week, jenna, a copilot on alaska airlines flight also suffered from the flu, fainted, requiring an emergency landing there as well. the spokesperson for the airline says these incidents are very rare. to have two happen in such a short time is a such a bizarre coincidence. pilots must pass a medical exam every sick months and copilots once a year. they were up-to-date on the medical certificate nationcations an were fine when che reported to work. jenna: when you have the flu you know how quickly things can turn. anna, thank you. jon: hillary clinton is stepping down today as our secretary of state and she is ending her run with something of a bang, taking one final shot at her critics over the deadly terror attack on our consulate in libya. here is part of what she had to say in sort of an exit interview with the associated press. quote, there are some people in politics and in the press who can't be confused by the facts. they just will not live in an evidence-based world, and that's regretable. it is regrettable for our political system and for the people who serve our government in very dangerous and difficult circumstances. paul gigot is editorial page editor at "the wall street journal" and has some thoughts on this. you know, the ambassador, chris stevens was serving our government in dangerous circumstances and asking for more security but didn't get it. >> unfortunately i she, secretary of state is protesting too much. what evidence is she pointing to? we know the evidence that they ignored security risks. that were pointed and frequent. we know that the ambassador himself had requested more security. we know that the administration decided that they wanted the light footprint after muammar qaddafi fell. therefore we stepped back there and allowing some of these security threats to develop to the ambassador. we know that when the incident occurred which occurred over many hours, the administration did not immediately respond with military assets to do something about it. so this is not an incident, jon, i think that the secretary will be running if she runs in 2016 as president pointing as an heroic episode for her tenure on national security. jon: you have it, you can't look at it in a vacuum. the president was running for re-election at the time. obviously successfully and, telling everyone that al qaeda was on the run. >> it was a big part of his salesmanship as national security. and we know that secretary clinton didn't say on the sunday shows because she didn't do that sort of thing. so they sent out the u.n. ambassador, susan rice to say this was fundamentally a response to a youtube video. it was, it, it's a bad episode and i'm surprised secretary of state clinton isn't take rag little more responsible for it. jon: she has been in office four years. when you look around the world, during those four years where are our relations better? i mean to paraphrase ronald reagan, where are we better off than we were four years ago? >> burma. burmese generals. don't laugh. the burmese generals moved to open up their country. that is one thing. elsewhere, not too many places i think you can point to. she has been a very energetic ambassador. she worked very hard. she has been a good face for american diplomacy. she is popular around the world but if you look at the actual results think there is a lot more disorder now than there was then. and that's something that ultimately will be discussed. now, of course it was president obama's watch. she was an implementer, you know, not the main policymaker are. that will be an issue if she runs in 2016. jon: he drives foreign policy. >> there is no question about that. there is no question about that. everybody concedes that and her allies concede it inside the administration. this is president obama's show and a she has been a spokesman an implementer of that policy. jon: paul gigot, from "the wall street journal". >> thanks, jon. jon: he will look at the week's top stories the "journal editorial report" airs tomorrow at 2:00 are eastern on the fox news channel. jenna: a massive deadly pileup yesterday on a michigan freeway. harris faulkner has the latest from the breaking news desk. >> reporter: the pictures from yesterday are simply eye-popping, a chain-reaction crash that left cars twisted and slipped more than a mile along interstate 75. this is detroit. we're learning more about what drivers were doing to try to stay alive during this. many slamming on their brakes. others swerving to avoid all the cars that were immediately piling up. that navy saved some lives we're told. still, three people died. among them children, a 7-year-old boy, a 9-year-old girl, believed to be siblings. their parents injured along with some 13 other people you see in all of this. the initial problem, a big-rig driver was stopped in his lane right about the same time light snow, falling in the area, suddenly turned to heavy snow coming down. so heavily it caused a whiteout. high winds, a drop in temperature. in the fog of that falling precip drivers struggled to find their way as you might imagine. more than 30 cars from suvs to semi trailers were left manage geled. they are saying now that survivors are talking about it they suddenly couldn't see out of their car windows and couldn't stop because the roadway was so slick. a tough scene for first-responders to handle. they shut down that stretch of i-75 for hours while they helped out the victims and removed the wreckage. parts of michigan are under a winter warning. they're expecting two fight of lake-effect snow today and tomorrow. back to you. jenna: scary if you have to be out there driving. if you do, a good warning to be careful out there. harris --. >> reporter: chains. jenna: good advice. that's for sure. thanks, harris. jon: just into the fox newsroom comes word that the controversial secretary of energy, stephen chu announced he will be leaving his post once a successor is named. pretty common for cabinet-level positions to change over at the start of a new term. we've seen a lot of turnover in the obama administration but probably not more than usual. steven chu, the man who has been in part controversial for the department of energy's loans to operations like the now bankrupt solyndra, he is also the one who said that he would like to see gasoline prices much higher in this country. steven chu says he will leave office once a successor is confirmed. the frightening hostage standoff in alabama now nearing the 72-hour mark. a 5-year-old boy locked up, held underground in an underground bunker by a suspected killer. former fbi hostage negotiator and profiler joins us on the task of the delicate task that police are facing. >> he's always seemed like a weird person. i always thought that was just the way he is. 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>> well, he does have demands. he wants something but they're keeping it very, very close to the vest and that may actually be part of the ongoing negotiations. so whether it's a personal cause, whether it's a, wanting something, a concern or an enjustice made public, it is something that he feels is important enough to have created this situation involving himself and the bunker, with this 5-year-old boy. jon: i'm not sure that somebody who does something like this is thinking rationally and maybe this is just a strange question but, nobody kidnap as kid off a school bus and shoots the bus driver dead as is alleged here, then crawls into an underground bunker and expects he is going to be able to get out, does he? >> well, yeah, i think he does expect to get out. that's what we want. jon: sure. >> we want hill to listen to the negotiators and to understand a very important point which is, you do not need this 5-year-old boy to resolve this situation peacefully. you have a lot of control about how it will be put out there in the press eventually but you don't need this 5-year-old boy to do that. regardless how it started off, that control is yours to take and to resolve it peacefully and that's the message my sense is right now that they're communicating with him. jon: neighbors say he's a violent and just, you know, loud individual. he was supposed to go to court the morning after this whole event started because he had apparently, he accused of firing shots at neighbors when he challenged them over some damage that had been done to a dirt speed bump in front of his place. what does that tell you about the mindset that we're working with here? >> well that's certainly suggests that this is someone for whom aggression and violence is acceptable in his repertoire but i certainly expect that he is watching, particularly the fox news program but i want hill to understand that nonetheless, even though that's in his repertoire of behavior, he still has the great potential of being able to look at this situation, understand that he is someone that can, and the sole person that can really resolve it. so we understand that there's a range of behavior in his background and right now what negotiators are doing, they're appealing to his sense of power and control and wanting to get his message out there and wanting to resolve it in the best way possible for him and also for that young victim. jon: is it actually a good thing if this goes on longer? i mean does it stand a better chance of resolution, a good resolution the longer it goes on? >> well the longer it goes on the longer the negotiators have the opportunity to slowly build trust and to, to keep him communicating about what his motives are, what his reasons for doing this in the first place. so the longer it goes on and they're able to establish that trust and hopefully he is able to establish some type of a relationship with that young boy absolutely it is, it's better than having something so quick and unexpected that it could end in a very bad way and we don't want that. jon: mary ellen 0'toole, a former hostage negotiator for the fbi. let's hope you're right that he realizes he is the one that can let the little boy go safely. thank you. >> you're welcome. jenna: the parents are getting a chance to send the kids to the school of their choice. that is the idea about national school choice week. how organizers say it is the way to improve education. the nation remembering today the former new york city mayor ed koch. a look back at of life of a leader that always spoke his mind. >> this inaugural ceremony is special for me, and i promise you it will be just as special on the fourth, fifth, and sixth occasion. 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[shouting] >> reporter: he was the very symbol of the city itself. brash, brave, funny, outspoken and sharp. >> happy birthday, puerto rico. >> reporter: ed koch brought new york city back from the brink when he was elected mayor in 1977. >> now thought i could win. but i got my message out and people believed it and they have very the voted for me. it was a shook. >> reporter: he was born never 1924 in newark, new jersey. served in world war ii and took on the democratic tammany hall in the 1960 he is a as reform democrat. before elected councilman, congressman and moving to city hall where he inherited a city sieged by crime, bankruptcy at this and public unrest. >> new york city is a great city but the new york apple does not grow in the garden of eden. a state of short term debt of $6 billion which we had to eliminate over a 4-year period. and we did it over a 3-year period. and i'm very proud of what we did. >> reporter: after three terms he was defeated in 1989 but that didn't stop him from writing and remaining involved in public issues as a private and beloved citizen. >> as i said when i left office, i'm never going to retire. i expect to die at this desk. >> reporter: koch, who never married always described himself as a liberal with sanity. >> i would be a whacko and a whacko i'm not. >> reporter: he often endorsed republicans and was known for his independent, passionate and spirited ways. >> now we could use this instead of the buses. bike lane. we'll have a camel lane. >> reporter: even picked out a new york city gravesite because he said he didn't ever want to leave manhattan. new york city mayor michael bloomberg said we have lost an irrepressable icon, our most carries matic cheerleader and champion. a documentary about him called, koch, coincidentally happens to open today across the country. ed koch's funeral is monday and he certainly will be very missed. jenna? jenna: you may remember him and thoughts and prayers with his family today for sure, eric. >> reporter: absolutely. jon: what a character. there is some new information on a deadly terror attack on the u.s. embassy in turkey. at least one guard is dead in a homicide bombing. we'll have the latest on others injured in the blast and who might have been behind it. also a hostage crisis involving a 5-year-old boy growing more urgent. reportedly the child is crying for his parents as police continue to negotiate with the suspect who has got him underground. we're live in alabama. hi. i'm henry winkler. and i'm here to tell homeowners that are 62 and older about a great way to live a better retirement. it's called a reverse mortgage. 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>> reporter: it's in the turkish authorities' interest to down play any terrorist group, they want to blame this on a domestic group. turkish authorities say they have identified the attacker and say he belongs to a left-leaning marxist group known inside of turkey, the revolution people's liberation party front, the dhkpc. the group has been designated a terrorist o by the united states in the past but had been relatively quiet in recent years. u.s. officials that we're speaking to say it is much too early to determine who is responsible. authorities here have not ruled out the involvement of al-qaeda or each an iranian approximate key group. state department spokesman victoria newlin says they are investigating, quote: we can confirm a terrorist blast at checkpoint on the tricepper the of our -- perimeter compound at 1:13 p.m. local time. we are working closely with the turkish national police to make a pull assessment of the damage and the casualties and to begin an investigation. embassy officials are expressing regret about the injured outside of the compound there. one of those injured, we've learned, is a well known tv journalist. she was injured in the attack. the u.s. ambassador has already visited her at the hospital, and there was also a turkish guard killed in the explosion this? jon: jennifer, just as you've been speaking, a bulletin crossed from reuters from the white house. it says that the white house says that the suicide or homicide bombing at the u.s. embassy is by definition an act of terror, but they are also saying they do not know the motivations at this time. clearly, they have learned something from the flap that ensued after the benghazi attacks. but that brings up this question, this is secretary of state hillary clinton's last day on the job, so whose problem does this become? does john kerry take over now? >> reporter: well, that's right. in fact, this incident certainly mars secretary of state hillary clinton's last day on the job. she will be leaving the building here at foggy bottom at 2:30 p.m. today, that's when she'll be saying her final farewell, walking out the doors below me t. and senator john kerry will be taking over. he'll be taking his oath at the white house later today we're told. in fact, spokesman victoria newlin was asked about the transition. >> what if a huge crisis erupts over the weekend? >> well, as i said, he is expected to be sworn in on friday afternoon. >> so he would deal with it. >> yeah. seamless transition. >> reporter: the new secretary of state made some headlines this morning in an interview that he gave to "the boston globe" in which he said that he was offered the job of secretary of state before susan rice who was largely viewed as the front runner in the first line pick of the obama administration, that he was offered the job by the president before susan rice took her name out of the running. jon? jon: all right. interesting. jennifer griffin at the state department today. thank you. jenna: a busy day down in d.c. we have this fox news alert coming out of washington concerning the new health care law. the obama administration announcing some very big changes for the birth control coverage for employees of some religious organizations, trying to work out the details here. white house spokesman jay carney just asked about this change minutes ago. take a listen. >> and another topic, the birth control opt-out, is this a recognition that the rules were an overreach? >> no, not at all. for details about the rulemaking process which, on which there is news today from hhs, i refer you to hhs. i would remind you, however, of the policy that the president outlined last year. and in outlining it, he set two important criteria. one, we had to insure that women have access to preventive services like contraception and that the policy also respects religious beliefs. those guidelines, those criteria have been followed by the department in promulgating this rule, this proposed rule, and as part of that process there's more comment that will be taken on i. but for detail, i'd refer you to hhs. jenna: what does this all mean? james rosen is with us, our chief washington correspondent. james, what are some of the big points that we need to take away from this headline? >> reporter: well, on its face, jenna, this would appear to be a dramatic postelection reversal by the obama administration on an issue that marked a flashpoint in the early electoral cycle last year in which by most accounts helped the obama/biden campaign galvanize voters, but there's more to it than that. under the new rules being proposed by kathleen sebelius, nonprofit employers with a religious affiliation such as catholic hospitals and colleges will be able to opt out of the administration's obamacare mandate that insures that all women have free access to contraception through their employers' health care plans. it'll now be up to the insurer, not to the faith-based nonprofit, to provide this coverage at no cost to the employer or to the female employee. in the case of self-insured and student health plans, the religious nonprofit will notify what's known as a third party administerrer, and that administrator in turn will work with an insurer to arrange no-cost contraceptive coverage through separate individual health insurance policies. quote: today, secretary sebelius said in a statement issued a short time ago, the administration is taking the next step in propriding women across the -- providing women across the nation with coverage of recommended preventive care. we will continue to work with faith-based organizations, women's organizations, insurers and others to achieve these goals, end quote. you may recall this issue vaulted to front page news about a year ago. at that time activist law student sandra fluke became a cause celebre when house republicans blocked her from testifying on the issue, and rush limbaugh attacked her on his program. that all followed hhs' original announcement that all employers, even faith-based ones, would have to provide coverage to female employees. many organizations and companies sued over the mandate. now here's one really important note on this, jenna. this proposed rule change will apparently not apply to private sector companies that are owned and operated by people with religious objections to this mandate. so companies like hobby lobby, for example, one of the litigants, would still be obligated to provide this coverage at least until such time as the u.s. supreme court weighs in on this controversial mandate. jenna? jenna: very interesting. we knew this year was going to be a lot about figuring out the details and how they were going to be applied in real-life situations, so we're witnessing this process, and we'll continue to gather details about how it will practically be applied. james, thank you. >> reporter: you bet. jon: we are continuing to follow the breaking developments out of alabama where police are negotiating with the gunman holding a 5-year-old boy hostage in an underground bunker. they're talking to jimmy lee dykes through a ventilation pipe. they say they can hear the child crying for his parents. police say dykes is showing no signs of ending the standoff which is now in its fourth day. elizabeth prann live in midland city, alabama for us. what are you seeing activity wise where you are, elizabeth? >> reporter: well, in just the past hour or two we've seen an increase of activities. as you can see, the s.w.a.p. members over my shoulder going up that dirt road. the suspect's property is slightly behind those white buildings, and police have confirmed that they're communicating to the suspect with a pvc pipe. this is an example of what he's using to communicate. 4 inches, this is about 5 pounds, this is a 4-foot pvc pipe. we know there is 60 feet of pvc piping from the driveway or from the roadway of this suspect's property all the way to the bunker, and what we know from witnesses and neighbors is that that pvc piping is also going through additional buildings on that property. we are waiting for an update from authorities, we're hoping to hear from them 4:30 locally and, of course, if we have any other details, jon, we're going to bring that to you immediately. jon: obviously, it's a small up to. what are folks saying about the little boy? >> reporter: yeah. there's only about 2300 people that live in midland city, and they're devastated. they're certainly still at a standstill, schools remain closed. they're opening some schools on monday but not all of them. we're hearing people are coming out and speaking about this young boy who is missing. a lot of his peers are asking parents and adults where he is. take a listen. >> why he has the child, we don't understand, but we would just really ask that he would have mercy upon this young child and let him be returned to his parents. >> reporter: this is a community, charles alan poland jr., he gave his life trying to save the school bus full of children. he'll be laid to rest on sunday. jon: what a sad story. elizabeth, thank you. jenna: up next, one of our big stories today, terror in the country of turkey aimed at america. you have a deadly explosion hitting the u.s. embassy. why now? who's behind this attack, and what does this mean for the year ahead and the security of all americans overseas? >> a suicide bombing on the perimeter of an embassy is by definition an act of terror, it is a terrorist attack. however, we do not know at this point who is responsible or the motivations behind the attack. the attack itself is clearly an act of terror. ♪ you know my heart burns for you... ♪ i'm up next, but now i'm sging the heartburn blues. hold on, prilosec isn't for fast relief. cue up alka-seltzer. it stops heartburn fast. ♪ oh what a relief it is! just begin with america's favorite soups. bring out chicken broccoli alfredo. or best-ever meatloaf. go to campbellskitchen.com for recipes, plus a valuable coupon. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. jenna: breaking news on the terror attack outside the u.s. embassy in turkey's capital. the state department warning americans to stay away from diplomatic offices in turkey, this after a homicide bombing inside a security checkpoint at an entrance to the embassy. a security guard was killed, the well-known female television journalist was wounded in this. this is an area that is under heavy security. embassies for france and germany also located nearby. there are reports this is the work to of a domestic group, a marxist extremist group inside the country, so we want to talk about that with rick runnell, also joining us the director for the or washington institute -- the washington institute turkish research program. we had this initial report about a domestic group being responsible, but we also know we have to be cautious with initial reports as well. what does this look hike to you, and who do you think is responsible for this? >> the initial intelligence information suggests it's a marxist group based in turkey, it's a fringe movement left over from the larger marx terrorist groups that existed in the 1970s, and the telltale signs of this group is they do attack u.s. targets and mission, for example, during the first gulf war they attacked u.s. military personnel and killed two. so i would say there are some similarities, and i would agree this could be a small marxist group. maybe a few hundred members only, but it's very anti-american, and a lot of the signs point at the fact that as well as turkish police is now saying this could be that group behind the attack. jenna: just to follow up on that quickly, why now? why would this group suddenly take this action now? >> first of all, you have to remember that this group is anti-american to death, and they just hate the united states, and they think of this as more through the cold war prism. they don't like u.s. presence in the region, they think of the u.s. as a quote-unquote imperialist power, and i think now it would make sense that we have sent troops to deploy nato patriot missiles to defend turkey against syria, they see that as something that goes against their fundamentalist ideological thinking, and as a result of that, the group has been called into action. unfortunately, as small as this group might be, one could anticipate future targets on u.s. interests in turkey should further nay to have or troop and hardware ce employments take place in theing months. -- in the coming months. jenna: what do you think is the correct united states response? >> well, first of all, we have to be very serious. this is an attack on a nato country inside a nato country. turkey's a great ally. they've been a member of nato since 1951, and this is a serious attack. this is the eighth attack on an embassy under hillary clinton alone. so we have to have a tough response. i think that it's also very interesting that these attacks are happening when the u.s. policy in the region is really withdrawn. we are not active in syria. we are doing just little, minor things around the edges, and yet we're a target. the turkish prime minister, erdogan, has been very vocal about syria and assad's brutal crackdown, and yet the attacks are happening on an american embassy. i think this just proves that america's always going to be a target whether we have a tough policy like in the bush administration or a weak policy during the obama administration. jenna: and let me get back to the issue of timing as well. as rick just mentioned, many consider turkey a good ally in the region, but there's also been questions raised about turkey and terror financing and where they really stand when it comes to issues regarding iran. so how do we navigate the way ahead with turkey especially since you said we should prepare ourselves potentially for more attacks by this group inside that country? >> well, turkey's the only nato ally that borders iran and syria, so it is a valuable ally, and i think turkey has pivoted back to the u.s. in the last couple of years, erasing some of these concerns that you raised in the sense that the country now realizes as the largest economy in that region of the world, as a rising power, it needs the united states for security, it needs nato because it has a civil war across from its 510-mile-long border with syria, and a civil war could easily spill over into turkey. what we saw today is one of these initial spillover effects. so i think turkey's increasingly going to come back to the united states for further nato alliance protection, and i think u.s. policy is, obviously, where the red line is. in other words, if this regime crosses that red line and targets turkey, it will find not just the united states, but the entire nato alliance standing behind turkey because that's where the red line has to be drawn vis-a-vis the assad regime. jenna: do you think the united states is putting that forward, that that is a red line. and bring that bigger, if you will. our national security is something we certainly talk about and put a high priority on as well, so how does this sort of play into the year that we're tate facing ahead not only in the region, but for our own safety? >> i think turkey is an interesting place where this plays out because there is criticism that they're not doing enough with terrorist financing. but the simple fact is we do work closely with turkey on freezing assets. the question is whether or not we have an automatic freeze inside turkey. and the opposition groups are very nervous about an automatic freeze rather than having a judge come in and try to approve the freezing of the assets that the government would recommend. the opposition groups don't want the automatic freezing to happen because simply they don't the government. and so this is a highly sophisticated argument inside turkey, but at the end of the day, i think the turks are doing what they can to help us combat terrorism. they recognize that they are on the front steps of of this, and i think president -- prime minister erdogan has done a very good job. jenna: it's worth noting that although we're talking about embassy security, this hasn't been a conversation piece if you look at the last several years. and it's still very rare that our embassies are being attacked overseas. so that should be something of note as we look at the year ahead as well. it's great to have your expertise today. we appreciate it very much. jon: well, on the day after the president scraps his jobs council, we get new numbers showing america is not where it is supposed to be. the unemployment rate up in this country. we'll get our panel to debate some of the numbers next. was in the right time to get rid of a panel in charge of fixing the job crisis? jon: brand new jobs numbers just out a day after the president scraps his jobs council. the labor department showing employers added 157,000 jobs last month. the national unemployment rate jumped up to 7.9%. that does not include the americans who stopped looking for jobs and dropped out of the work force. let's talk about it with nina easton, columnist for fortune, also a fox news contributor, austan goolsbee, former chair of the president's council of economic advisers, he's also a professor of economics at the university of chicago booth school of business. what do you think about these numbers? >> you know, they're more of the same. i think they show some progress, not very fast progress, and it largely reflects the fact that overall the economy's growing probably about 2%. so we've got to get the growth rate back up to something well above that to see substantial progress in the job market. jon: 169,000 people dropped out of the work force, more people than actually got jobs, austan. the unemployment rate would be even higher if it weren't for that number. >> yeah, i know, you want to be a little careful. labor force participation stayed the same. the population is aging, so we expect to have a fair number of people retiring every month in the next ten years or more as the baby boom's retiring. i think the broader measures of unemployment which show larger numbers than the regular unemployment rate have remained steady or improved about at the same rate, in some cases a little faster, than ordinary employment. so i think you want to not overreact to that. jon: all right, nina, it seems to be an economy that ease treading water. >> it seems like it's an economy, yeah, stuck in neutral. i mean, keep in mind that also this week we had news that in the fourth quarter the economy, surprisingly -- people weren't expecting this -- but surprisingly economic growth contracted in the fourth quarter. so you've got those two factors coming in the same week. yes, a lot of jobs were added, but not enough to compensate for all the folks coming into the work force or people now looking for a job, so the unemployment rate ticked up to 7.9%. there really -- and, again, as you mentioned, the president's jobs council was disbanded. jon: yeah. >> the optics of that are not good. this is a jobs council that really didn't meet very often, only four times, and the president didn't take some key advice that, frankly, would have really helped with the job growth, and we can talk about that. jon: well, i know -- >> can i say something about that? jon: well, okay -- all right, go ahead, austan. >> well, i was there at the setup of the jobs and competitiveness council. it was a reincarnation of the economic recovery advisory board where i was the chief economist for the first two years. this is one of hundreds of advisory committees. it was scheduled to expire after two years. there was no sense in which they had to go out and actively scrap the job job and -- the jobs cou. this is when it was scheduled to end. and as you know, this advisory committee unlike the hundreds of others that exist got wrapped up into the election in a way that was highly uncomfortable for the bipartisan executives that were on it. so i don't think that the number of official big meetings when the number of regional meetings they had was in the high numbers and the members of the council themselves were trying to get out of the spotlight. i don't think that's an indicator of anything. jon: so tell us in those two years in four major meetings what did they accomplish? >> they are an advisory body. as i say, of which there are hundreds. they produced some reports, they met with regional business leaders and workers around the country, and they produced a series of bipartisan things. there was a lot of disagreement within the committee. they could not totally agree on policy recommendations. but they provided ideas -- jon: right. >> -- that the administration and the president took. jon: okay, let me get to nina then. >> come up with policies. jon: let me get to nina. they provided ideas, nina. >> yeah, and austan's points are well taken. but there are two issues, tax issues coming from the jobs advisory council and the business community at large which would help to bring more of that cash that companies are sitting on overseas, $2 trillion at least, back to invest in jobs. one would be to change -- and this was an advisory council recommendation -- one would be to change the way that corporate earnings overseas are taxed so that they're not double taxed. another thing that both the white house agrees on, the business community agrees on, republicans agree on is corporate tax reform. lower the corporate rate, close loopholes, and there are studies that show that could add as much as a percent to gdp. all of this would help companies bring more investment back to the u.s. and invest in jobs, and the white house has not shown leadership on either. jon: it would be good to see something work. nina easton, austan goolsbee, thank you both. >> thank you. >> thank you. jenna: dangerous new concerns about al-qaeda. the terrorist group is reportedly on the hunt for new western targets. coming up, we're going to tell you who exactly they could be targeting next. also a day of remembrance today. nasa paying tribute to the men and women of space exploration who made the ultimate sacrifice for our country. >> i know it's hard to understand, but sometimes painful things like this happen. it's all part of the process of exploration and discovery. it's all part of taking a chance at expanding man's horizons. the future doesn't belong to the faint-of hearted. it belongs to the brave. ♪ shimmy, shimmy chocolate. ♪ shimmy, shimmy chocolate. ♪ we, we chocolate cross over. ♪ yeah, we chocolate cross over. ♪ [ male announcer ] introducing fiber one 80 calorie chocolate cereal. ♪ chocolate. jenna: welcome back, everyone. some frauing concerns over al-qaeda's influence in north africa. we've been talking about this a lot, especially al-qaeda's desire to carry out more attacks against western targets after last month's hostage crisis at that algerian gas plant that left 38 people dead, three of them americans. catherine herridge is live in washington with more on what's next. catherine? >> reporter: well, thank you, jenna. senior u.s. intelligence officials discussed the threat picture in north africa before this morning's attack at the u.s. embassy in turkey. officials describing the desire to hit western including u.s. targets as aspirational as the goal of al-qaeda in north africa. this is u.s. interest writ large, intelligence officials said, hardened targets including diplomatic facilities as well as soft targets such as american citizens working there. and though the terror group responsible in turkey has not been identified, the head of the house foreign affairs committee issuing a statement: >> reporter: after the hostage crisis in algeria in mid january, secretary of state hillary clinton conceded that the threat to u.s. interests in the region was growing as these groups pooled their resources and people. >> now, concerns about terrorism and instability in north africa are not new, of course. indeed, they've been a top priority for this entire national security team. but we need to work together to accelerate a diplomatic campaign to increase pressure on al-qaeda in the islamic maghreb and other terrorist groups in the region. >> reporter: tribal areas of pakistan where the u.s. can partner with one nation on counterterrorism issues, al-qaeda in the islamic maghreb's followers move seamlessly between mali, niger, mauritania and libya. affected nations are more concerned with the al-qaeda problem within their own borders and less concerned with taking this broader regional leadership role that will be required to prevent the establishment, pardon me, of a safe haven there, jenna. jenna: lots to keep an eye on. >> reporter: to digest there. [laughter] jenna: certainly. that is an important report for us today, absolutely, catherine. thank you. >> reporter: you're welcome. jon: another terrorist attack on a u.s. diplomatic oversea, this time in turkey on hillary clinton's final day serving as secretary of state. so how will the mainstream media handle this latest attack on america? let's talk about it with judith miller, a pulitzer prize-winning investigative reporter and author, kirsten powers, a columnist for "the daily beast," both of them fox news contributors. the indications are at least from the turkish government, judy, that this was the act of some left-wing group in turkey, not necessarily an al-qaeda-related group. does that change the way this gets covered? >> no, i don't think it does, jon, because what's more interesting than the suspect group may have done it and, unfortunately, there's no shortage of them, but it's the target. this is turkey, this is an islamist but very pragmatic government that has worked with the united states closely, that is working with washington closely on the syrian situation, on iraq, on a lot of different, difficult issues for us. and the fact that whoever did this aimed at a nato member that is closely aligned with us tells us that the threat to americans and american installations comets. jon: well -- continues. jon: well, is this something that the media should be holding the obama administration's feet to the fire over, or is this an internal matter for the turks? >> well, no. i mean, i think it's an american embassy, so of course it matters, you know, to the united states. i don't think you can lay the blame at the feet of the obama administration per se, but what's important is the bigger story. and i don't think the media really covers that. i think that they treat each of these incidents that happen as these sort of individual incidents, um, and while this may, you know, not be an al-qaeda attack, it doesn't change the fact that it is an attack against the united states. and so this sort of myth that obama has changed our standing in the world and that, you know, everybody loves us, you know, if the media doesn't do their job and cover the fact that, actually, you know, if you look at what's been happening in north africa which really doesn't get a lot of coverage, there's a lot to talk about and a lot to ask the administration about. jon: let's turn our attention to the economy because that's going to get some media coverage in the days ahead. there's already been a twitter war going on today between speaker of the house john boehner and jay carney, the white house press spokesman. here's what john boehner sent out. he said: if government spending caused economic growth, as the president believes, the economy today should be booming. unemployment plummeting. he also said ahead of that, he said it's the wrong time for president obama to scrap his jobs council and delay his budget again. well, jay carney, the president's spokesman, fired back saying: how quickly speaker boehner forgets underhe supporte nation lost 8.5 million jobs in the last 35 months. we have created 6 million. what about his argument, specifically jay carney's argument, judy? >> well, look, i think that is going to get played out. it's going to be one of the talking points and the debating points between keynesians and nonkeynesians in this administration. i think what's really interesting is that, you know, in the new republic president obama went out of his way to kind of extend an olive branch to mr. boehner by saying that he knows that he wanted a compromise, it's just those nasty republicans who are really conservative who won't let him compromise. and this is how boehner responds. so i think that what we're now going to see is a kind of war of words between these two men whom at least the white house hope would be potential allies. that's not going to happen. jon: kirsten, you know, the president long blamed the bush administration for driving the economy into the ditch. when jay carney was at the podium the other day, he said it's all the fault of congressional republicans. can you have it both ways? i mean, can it be the president one year and the next, you know, four years later it's the congress? >> be well, i think the argument is that president bush left obama with this and that the president has tried to talk different measures that he thinks will stimulate the economy and that the republicans have, you know, really opposed him at every turn. that's the historically correct statement, what i just said. now, that said, when you hear this back and forth twitter wars between jay carney and john boehner, and i was just reading an article about this, it's just like, come on, can they just grow up? this triesing to pin the blame on -- this trying to pin the blame on each other. the truth of the matter is both sides are going to have to give on each other. the president does not want to do entitlement reform, he's going to do something. the republicans control the house, i'm sorry, that's just a fact of life. and the republicans are going to have to meet him halfway on some things. just that people should not tolerate this. this is not an acceptable way for washington to operate. it's just -- jon: one -- >> go ahead, sorry. jon: one web site pointed out the economy shrank in the last quarter, the unemployment rate is up as of the numbers released today. we had a trillion dollar deficit in the last year, more than $5 trillion over the last four years. boy, president obama sure inherited an economic mess from himself. i guess. [laughter] >> the ditch was very deep, and i think that the president has been trying to climb out of it. he has had stimulus policies. i don't think he's going to be able to have any more of them. and that really limits the tools that he can use to kind of get the economy, keep the economy growing. this is a very, very difficult challenge. of he does need cooperation from the republicans, but i don't think he's going to get it because in part i don't think he's doing a lot to encourage it. jon: all right. judith miller and kirsten powers, our fox news watch panel today. thank you both. >> thank you. >> thank you. jenna: well, a day of remembrance for those remarkable americans lost in the goal for exploring space. coming up, nasa's tribute to some of america's finest astronauts, next. i gave birth to my daughter on may 18th, five days later, i had a massive heart attack. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. 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[laughter] there's got to be a lot of it out there. look, the government has to prove two things. one, they have to show an injury to consumers which means beer's going to be more expensive. but the more important thing is they have to show what's called market power, and although anheuser-busch and the government will have nobel prize-winning economists tell you what that means, it means you can raise your prices and not lose market power. and the fact of the matter is with beer, quite frankly, is if you raise the price, someone's just going to buy a different beer. there's not enough brand loyalty. i don't think the government's going to get thrown out, it's a legitimate case, but i don't think they're going to win it at the end of the day. jenna: i was researching beer companies, the beer industry and preparing for this very serious segment, it was interesting to note that some of these big companies control the wholesalers, even the smaller beer companies that use the same wholesalers as some of these big companies control or have influence over them and some of our smaller craft beers could be affected, the availability to the consumer, and that's another side to this case. >> correct. exactly. you hit the nail on the held, and that's what the government is trying to protect. they don't want one or two or three huge companies to have so much control so that they're controlling the wholesalers as well, that determines whether brooklyn lager and these other small places, do they go to brooklyn or get served in some small town in oklahoma? and also there's another asterisk. the president of the united states is now working on his legacy, right? he doesn't need to get reelected. this is a cool thing for his administration to do. hey, i'm protecting the beer drinker. jenna: interesting. >> which is a pretty popular position for his administration to take. >> that is a big voting bloc, i'll give you that. [laughter] but i heard the president brews his own beer, so i'm not sure there's a dog in this fight. jenna: interesting angle. >> way to go. jenna: real quick final thought, 49ers or rairves? >> i can't root for baltimore, i gotta go with the niners. jenna: arthur? >> i don't care. the giants aren't in there. >> as long as they serve beer and wings, i don't care who wins either. jenna: it was all part of the timing for the segment, arthur, thank you for crushing it. [laughter] arthur and fred, thank you. >> thanks for having me. jon: i do my beer segment research every weekend. -and-a-half that's right. [laughter] jon: one of the nation's most historic landmarks turning 100. coming up, the grand central terminal and how this magnificent building was also demolished. also, remembering some of the heroes of america's space program. we are live at the kennedy space center where nasa is paying transcribe beautiful jon: this is a day to pay tribute to america's heroes, nasa honoring today u.s. astronauts who have died in the line of duty including the crews of space shuttles challenger and columbia. today's ceremonies marking a day of remembrance ten years after the columbia accident. steve harrigan is live in cape canaveral, florida. steve? >> reporter: jon, a day of remembrance here, but also a day of gratitude, remembering those who gawf their lives for -- gave their lives for space exploration. among the speakers, the widow of the commander of the spaceship columbia. >> february 1, 2003, became a traumatic, shocking day. anticipating a joyful homecoming of our crew, we were jolted in the viewing area into a nightmarish stroll of fear, uncertainty and horror. that led to a crushing announcement that the crew had perished. >> reporter: three major tragedies in nasa's history claimed the lives of 17 astronauts beginning in 1967 with the apollo i, a fire onboard the capsule on the launching pad claimed the lives of three including gus brisesome, a veteran of the america ri program, and then again in 1986 it was the space shuttle challenger. that shuttle flew for just 73 seconds before exploding, a tragedy that was captured before the ideas of many school children, that's because it was the first teacher in space program, christa mcauliffe one of the seven b who died that day, and finally the space shuttle columbia, exactly ten years ago, that shuttle broke up upon reentry. it was later determined that a piece of foam from an exterior tank hit the wing, and it was only upon reentry 16 days later after successful experiments in space that those seven astronauts lost their lives. a sense of mourning, a sense of commemoration, but also a sense of gratitude for people who pushed the boundaries and gave their lives in the process. jon, back to you. jon: steve steve harrigan, i rer 1967 telling my cup scout troop about the loss of those astronauts in the apollo i fire, sort of in a way the first news story i ever reported, and then ronald reagan's speech after the challenger, i'm sorry, columbia accident. one of the or finest ever given. steve harrigan, thanks. and remembering america's heroes, we'll be right back. with the spark miles card from capital one, thor gets great rewards for his small business! your boa! 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>> brian: yes, i can. let's go to mark and the tulane marching band, thanks to the cheerleaders of the saints and the dance team of tulane. and the national guard that had to leave. ♪ ♪ bill: a lot of breaking news this morning on a friday. another u.s. embassy is under attack. this time in turkey. reports of a homicide bomber setting off an explosive device, killing himself and at least one other person. this is brand new video showing chaos at the scene. emergency crews responding as they pick through the rubble in the aftermath on the ground there. this is a story we're just working through right now. but there's a lot of news popping. good morning, i'm bill hemmer. we'll get to all of it today. martha: good morning. i'm martha maccallum. the details on this are still fluid. we're getting reports that the blast went off inside the security check point at the entrance to the embassy. bill: amy kellogg watching it all from london now. has there been a claim of responsibility, amy? >> reporter: not yet, bill. the turkish prime minister erdouan has said it is a suicide bombing there may have been a lot of groups behind this attack or at the u.s. embassy in ankara. it could have been islamist type group operating in turkey. in 2003 there were dramatic attacks on synagogues at the british consulate in istanbul and hsbc bankhead quarters there. separatists typically set off bombs in the southern part of the turkey. they're quite active. there is resistance to the deployment of u.s. patriot anti-missile batteries that have just been put in place to protect turkish population centers from possible attacks from syria. i just got a note from the deputy foreign minister of turkey saying that their hearts and minds are with the embassy staff right now in ankara and the foreign ministry will be issuing some sort of a statement as soon as possible. one dead who is the suicide bomber and a turkish guard at the check point. bill: were there reports of any threats against the embassy? this is a pretty secure part of the city? >> reporter: bill, that's the thing. it is unusual to see this sort of thing to happen in the beating heart of the turkish capital which is so very secured. there are a lot of police officers around. embassy is very close to the turkish parliament. it is not what you would expect here. we don't know that there were any threats but we do know that turkey is on of the edge these days with the conflict in syria, right on its border and some other things going on. but we did not hear, bill, of any sort of a threat. back to you. bill: amy kellogg. work your source. we'll be back in touch with london. here is martha with more. martha. martha: there is no word yet exactly who is behind this attack. there too soon to know who is behind this attack at this point. the worker's party known as pkk in october of 2011, the pkk killed 26 security forces. that was the deadliest attack since 1993. the u.s. provided turkey with over $5 million since 2010 for anti-terrorism and related programs to that. bill: the region, the amy referred to a little bit of this. there are so many hot spots we're reporting on dailily. specifically this is the area of the country of turkey, north of syria. advance it one time, we'll show you where this attack happened earlier today. here in the capital city of ankara. turkey has had a lot of concern with the ongoing civil war down here in syria. concerns it could spill over into its border in turkey. as a result, the u.s. government just recently approved delivery of patriot missile batteries to a town just north of the border, about 60 miles away from the syrian border. that is something we will watch to see whether or not there is a connection or not. can't confirm any of that right now. again no claim of responsibility. go back to the map one more time here because we're trying to keep all of this in context. at the heart this is right now is the ongoing civil war in syria. just this week we reported on a hit either on a convoy or some sort of research facility and in southwestern syria that was said to be delivering possibly arms into the country of lebanon. as a result of that both syria and now this is where iran comes back not picture, iran and syria have made threats against israel as a result. with regard to today though, the focus now is on turkey and what happened at our u.s. embassy. but you think about all these hot spots now popping up threw all this region. then you can throw northern africa into the mix as well. this is something that has a lot of people concerned today with very good reason. we'll see where it goes. >> so terrorists targeting american embassies overseas as you well know is definitely not a new concept. of course we're talking about the terror attack we had in our consulate in libya. benghazi, gotten a huge amount of well-deserved attention. a lot of questions remain there. that happened on see. 11th this year. four americans were killed including our ambassador christopher stevens. go back to 2008 for a moment the embassy attacked there in yemen with a car bomb as staffers showed up for work. at least 16 people were killed there. you remember the horrific 1998 simultaneous truck bombs that were detonated near two u.s. embassies in kenya and tanzania. a huge death toll there, 244 people were killed. 4500 injured in that one. let's go back to here at home. look what is going on in the u.s. economy because we got brand new jobs numbers that just came out and they show sluggish hiring in the month of january. the labor department reported that the national unemployment rate jumped a little bit, now 7.9% up from 7.8% from the previous month. that doesn't really include people who decided they wouldn't look for work anymore and dropped out of the workforce for the time-being. the latest report showed employers added 15,000 jobs last month, not enough to really stimulate the economy -- 157,000. or create a new jobs growth picture. bring in fox business network senior correspondent charles gasparino. what is your take on these? >> not uniformly terrible. we added jobs in prior months. revised some of the job additions upward. we did create jobs but what i will tell you is carry about this number the narrative remains the same. this is an extremely slow-growing economy that is producing jobs at a very meager rate. when more people look for jobs unemployment ticks up. a quirk in the numbers. takes too long to explain why. the narrative, martha, this is the big thing, the narrative remains the same. sluggish economy, not creating enough jobs to deal with population growth. people are dropping out of the workforce. if you look at numbers a little closely. we're getting a first hit of it. we'll go through it a lot more. when you look at some of the numbers at first glance the labor participation rate goes down. that is one of the reasons why unemployment remains under 8%. this is scary situation. what is even worse when you look at policy from washington there is nothing coming out of the white house to deal with this. if you look what the president is propoeing, he is talking about stuff like, raising taxes which is kind of absurd and stimulus spending which the last time did not work. at least depending what side of the aisle you're on you will say whether it worked or not, the but the stimulus plan didn't work the way they said it would work. martha: when you look at that number, it is a pretty low number when you consider $4 trillion has been put into the economy to get get jobs going. jobs council after a few meetings they decided they didn't need that anymore. >> he didn't use them. talk to the people on the council. jeff immelt and ken chenault, privately they were telling people he didn't talk to us. he didn't care. it was kind of a joke if you think about it. martha: but the narrative is out of the white house, look, things are improving. the housing market is starting to pick up. the stock market which a lot of people think is not an indicator how folks across the country feel about the economy, they're saying the numbers are looking pretty good to them. they're happy. >> look at the stock market. i think that's key. this is where we come in to explain what it means. why is the market going to be up? this continues the narrative. it is a slow moving economy. the federal reserve will keep interest rates low. markets like that. why they like that? you put your money in stocks as opposed to low yielding fixed income estimates that is purely a technical play. that is why the market is up today. the market is up is because the economy is marginally improving or not getting worse and the fed will not raise interest rates. housing, this is dead-cat bounce. you're bouncing off the bottom. martha: if the fed were talk about raising interest rates you get the feeling they think the market is starting to heat up a little bit. >> the market will go down. the stock market would two down. martha: charlie, thank you. always good to see you. bill: which got word a global medical company is laying off 100 employees in tennessee and massachusetts. the company blames the new health care law for that reason, specifically the medical device tax. london-based smith & nephew specializing in developing orthopedic reconstruction products says the cuts are necessary to deal with the new cost associated with the tax. that is 2.3%. expected to raise nearly $30 billion over the next decade. a majors is source of consternation for many of these companies. they fought it and fought it and they lost in the end. on this jobs thing, if you're a teenager in america, unemployment is almost 24%. that is ridiculous when you talk --. martha: greece for that population there. bill: the next generalmation of americans have to deal with that? we'll talk about that in a moment. martha: tough picture. speaking of lay youfls we've been talking about the president happenedding a pink slip to the group he formed to bring back jobs. charlie and i were discussing about that. was the jobs council an exercise if futility or did it have meaning? they don't want it anymore. bill: 7.9%. a 5-year-old boy is still held hostage in a underground bunker. how long will the gunman hold out? and what was just delivered to that underground bunker. we'll tell you about that in a live report. martha: a rough road for president obama's pick to lead our department of defense. why political watchers are saying that chuck hagel's confirmation at this hearing was an absolute mess. so what is going to happen with this? we'll be right back with senator blount. >> iranian foreign ministry so strongly supports your nomination to be the secretary of defense? >> i have a difficult enough time with american politics. senator, i have no idea, but thank you an ] ring. ring. progresso. i just served my mother-in-law your chicken noodle soup but she loved it so much... i told her it was homemade. everyone tells a little white lie now and then. but now she wants my recipe [ clears his throat ] [ softly ] she's right behind me isn't she? 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[sirens] quite a scene on the streets of mexico city there. ambulances raced survivors to the hospital while rescue crews searched for dozens of people that were still missing. no word what caused the blast. no sign at this point what cause this. bill: 14 past. the president's jobs council is officially laid off. the white house is announcing it will not renew the pan they will that was created two years ago to fix our jobs crisis. the council met a couple of times. the last formal meeting was more than a year ago. today, 7.9% unemployment in america. gretchen hamel, public notice, alan colmes, host of the alan colmes radio show. what is going on you two? mission accomplished, huh, gretchen? move on? what do you tackle next? no just kind of funny. here the president is closing down the jobs council. he really didn't listen to a lot of recommendation it made. did the same thing with the deficit commission he created withers kin bowles a few years back. he is paying a lot of lip service to the american public about their top concerns and top concerns of this country and not having a lot of action or substantive action to bring about real solutions. bill: here are the fact we know, alan. in 24 months they met four times. >> correct. the empty met with them four times. there were other meetings the president did not attend. by the way they have been active 16 of 35 proposals and only two year charter. i wonder were republicans praise worthy when they formed the council and saying we don't need a council. that will not create jobs. now all of sudden they're upset he is ending the council. they never sported it first place. bill: implemented 16 recommendations. can you name one. >> i don't have the list here, but all the reports come out say that's what he did. bill: can you name one that worked? >> i don't have the list of them, bill. but the fact is the cynical, cynicism you seem to express as though simply having a jobs council, that is what creates jobs. his record is pretty good. he create ad half a million manufacturing jobs. 4.5 million private sectors jobs. look what he inherited. 3/4 of a million jobs being lost a month? now every month we're adding including figures came out today. what is the republican plan? i like to know what the republican plan is? >> let's back up. bill: what is the republican plan. >> you know the republican plan offered a lot of solutions. you know a number of solutions keeping businesses from creating jobs, a number about regulations. a number of things to increase trade. and also some of the things that the government is getting in the way of with businesses. i mean let's talk about health care and number of stories we've seen in the press about small businesses having to struggle with the health care implementations. take a bigger look. you had reports this week, you had negative growth in our economy for the first time in over three years. consumer confidence dropped to its lowest point in over a year. and here you have a jobs report where it ticks up to 7.9% when the president's own economic team promised us that with the stimulus and more government spending that we would be at 5% unemployment right now. i mean what is going on here? bill: target seems right in the following way. almost like you outsource this job. and when people look at it, this is from the bureau of labor statistics now. unemployment rate 7.9%. been at or near that level since september 2012. teenagers in america, unemployment rate, you know what it is? 23.4%. african-americans, 30.8%. hispanics, 9.7%. all three categories show little or no change. >> yeah. bill: based on this report. you can't. >> you can't ignore the fact. again what he inherited. we were bleeding jobs. that has been turned around. apparently the american people who voted him back into office seem to feel enough confidence this was the right direction for the country. >> yes, right direction to more unemployment. >> republicans ideas other than reject everything the president offered, they turned down every jobs bill he put forward. bill: here is what john boehner said, his spokesman in part of the by ignoring the group, jobs council or rejecting its recommendations the president treated his jobs council as more of a nuisance than a vehicle to spur job creation. >> i'm shocked to hear john boehner was critical of the president. bill: gretchen, alan keeps coming back with your ideas. republicans don't have the votes. >> republicans don't have the votes. bill: how do you win this debate? you say you know what, look at the raw numbers? >> you have to have a willing partner across the table. republicans right now don't have that with the senate and they don't have -- >> and president does? the president has a willing partner? >> i think republicans have shown numerous times come to the table time and time again through debates and when it ce to the debt crisis, when it came to a number of these negotiating. but you have to have faith and trust in your partner. and you have to have someone offering up real solutions. >> you've got to be kidding me. >> seems to be putting this on other people. alan you're accepting this as the new normal you're okay with it. >> i'm not okay with it. i just like to know what the republicans -- >> it is not okay. >> republicans have had nothing to bring to the table. american people rejected them because they have no new ideas. other than criticizing president obama i heard nothing fresh from your side. tell me one thing you would do would create jobs? certainly the president hasn't had a partner to work with except people want him out of office. bill: for the third time, gretchen, go ahead. >> one thing we can start doing to really get this economy going get the government out of the way. right now there are government has been spending at an amount that is -- >> you don't want a jobs council. that means no jobs council. >> hang on. give me a second, alan. but we have a government right now who getting too involved in the economy. they are spending more money. that is propping up the economy. crowding out of the private sector and not allowing the private sector to do its job. cut back number of regulations we have so businesses can create jobs. >> so the president should do nothing? >> president needs to come to the table and willing to talk to people. >> you said the government should do nothing. >> house republicans passed numerous jobs bills and president --. bill: hang on. 7.9% is simply unacceptable. you both agree with that. >> it is. bill: the solution here is to figure a way out of it. right now we don't have one. alan, gretchen. thanks to both of you. 20 minuteses past. martha, what's next? martha: a busy flight was forced to an an emergency landing. there are real at this tense moments in this cockpit. they came in for the landing. we're learning what caused the problem. bill: this american pastor, eight years sentence in one of iran's more brutal prisons. a first person account for the horrors inside from a former inmate of what happens there. >> a place where you dissolve in pain. i forgot my name. i forgot who i was. in that space, there is nothing but pain. you're reduced to something you don't even know what it is. bill: a few scary moments onboard a packed 737 last night. an alaska airlines pilot passes out mid-flight between l.a. and seattle. 121 people on board. the copilot managed to make an emergency landing in portland. that is not quite halfway, but pretty close, right? a doctor on board who helped the pie who regained consciousness before the plane landed. no word what caused him to pass out. a 28 year veteran, currently with his medical evaluation. martha: why you have a copilot. bill: yeah. martha: all right, well the larger than life former mayor of new york city ed koch has died. we got that news just this morning. he was known for tough talk, for charisma, for some of the greatest quotes you can dig up. he was a three-term mayor. he was a household name. for any of us who grew up in this area during the '70s and '80s. he was part of the life. he led the big apple through one of the most difficult period of those years. senior correspondent eric shawn joins us live. >> reporter: hi, martha. he had it. he was funny, no-nonsense and asked a famous question. >> how am i doing? [shouting. >> reporter: he was the very symbol of the city itself. brash, brave, funny, outspoken and sharp. >> hello, puerto rico. >> reporter: ed koch brought new york city back from the brink when he was elected mayor in 1977. >> nobody thought i could win but i got my message out. people believed it and they voted for me. it was a shock. >> reporter: he was known for his outsized personality but he also brought the city back from near bankruptcy. >> new york is a great city but the big apple does not grow in the garden of eden. >> reporter: by force of his personality he put new york back on the path to solvency. >> when i came in, the city was in a state of short-term debt of $6 billion. which we had to eliminate over a four-year period. and we did it over a three-year period. and i'm very proud of what we did. >> reporter: after three terms he was defeated in 1989 but that didn't stop him from writing and remaining involved in public issues as a private and beloved citizen. >> as i said when i left office, i'm never going to retire. i expect to die at this desk. >> reporter: koch, who never married always described himself as a liberal with sanity. >> a whacko on that. >> reporter: sometimes did cross party lines. had no problems sometimes endorsing republicans. this morning new york city mayor michael bloomberg says this city has lost, a quote, an irreplaceable icon, our most charismatic cheer lead and champion. ed koch's funeral is monday. martha. martha: you knew him pretty well, eric? >> reporter: yeah i did. first interviewed him in high school at 1974. became a mentor and friend. at his birthday party in december he got out hot hospital, they said if he died in the hospital he still ordered the party to go on. today he may be mourned but we can celebrate his life and contributions. martha: he talked about so much of his pride in being jewish. i thought it was interesting, eric, he bought his own plot at trinity church, which is one of the places in new york that still has some space in the cemetery. he just said negative never wanted to be taken out of new york city. he wanted to make sure it never happened. >> reporter: planned it himself. the headstone is up there. he wanted to make sure he was always staying in manhattan for eternity. so he will. martha: what a part of history and a part of new york city. eric, thank you for that. a really great tribute. bill: 1, sean, huh? martha: isn't that great. what you learn about eric shawn every day, huh? bill: 28 past the hour now. the man tapped to lead our nation's military with a less than stellar performance they say. did you watch this? will republicans block chuck hagel. senator roy blunt will be one of the senators deciding his fate. we'll talk to him about that next. martha: this terrifying situation gets worse by the moment and there is no end in sight at this point. gut-wrenching situation. a 5-year-old boy being held hostage in an underground bunker. imagine what is going through that little boy's head right now. we're live on the scene and we'll be back with more. >> he needs to be back with his family. if i could go over there and get him i would go get him focu, not their short-term agenda. 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>> reporter: well that's a very good question, bill because it is a very chilly morning here. overnight it dipped down to the 30s. we do know there is a power supply in that six by 8-foot bunker. we don't know if it is climate controlled. we know the little boy is getting food and water. authorities tell us they're communicating constantly with the suspect. they're dropping down medication the little boy needs. they're dropping down coloring books and crayons. what we know from the mayor here is that little boy is crying for his parents. listen. >> the kid does have some special needs and at 6 years old and he doesn't know what's going on. and he, we know that he is crying for his mother. >> reporter: we are waiting for word from authority, bill, although nothing's scheduled. if we have any updates we'll bring them to you immediately. bill: what are you hearing from people in that town? how are they dealing with this? >> reporter: the community is waiting on bated breath to get this loyal boy back. we know there is a number of prayer vigils throughout the community. in fact schools will return on monday, only a select number of schools because right now, they're really at a standstill. that neighborhood behind me remains evacuated. we spoke with a pastor who tells us the children are asking for this little boy. listen. >> some of the neighbor's children said he is a good friend of theirs. they enjoy playing with him every afternoon when he comes home from school but it is now the third day that he has not been there the some of the children are saying they really miss their friend and their play time together. >> reporter: charles poland, the bus driver, hailed as a hero in this situation will be laid to rest on sunday. bill, back to you. bill: on it goes, elizabeth. live in southern alabama. martha: what a scene this was yesterday as defense secretary nominee chuck hagel spoke in front of congress. he is now awaiting a critical approval vote by the armed services committee that is likely to happen. the vote probably early next week, is the best estimate that we have right now. it follows a tense and combative hearing that we watched, nothing like what we saw with the john kerry hearing for secretary of state. so the former senator, he faced a pretty tough crowd in there. he tried to explain several of his controversial comments he made in the past. at times he was sort of stumbling over his responses, not a great performance by most measures. take a look. >> as to the iranians, red line, persian gulf, some of the iranian questions you asked, i support the president's strong position on containment. as i said. >> by the way you've just been handed a note, that i misspoke and said i supported the president's position on containment. if i said that, it meant to say, that i obviously his position on containment, we don't have a position on containment. >> please answer the question. will were you correct or incorrect when you said that the surge would be the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since vietnam? were you correct or incorrect, yes or no? >> my reference to the surge being the most dangerous -- >> senator hagel, the question is, were you right or wrong? that's a pretty straightforward question. i would like answer whether you're right or wrong and then you're free to elaborate. >> well, i'm not going to give you a yes or no answer. >> well let the record show you refused to answer that question. martha: that was uncomfortable. joined by missouri republican senator roy blunt who was in that hearing yesterday. senator, good morning. welcome, good to have you here today. we were arch watching this on television. what was it like in the room? >> well, my guess is in the room it was, it was a little less tense maybe than it appeared on television but certainly as these hearings go it was a pretty intense hearing. i didn't serve with senator hagel in the senate. he left the senate long before i got here. i served with him when he was in the house and i was in the senate. i like him. i admire his service in vietnam. his brother was there, who they served in the same platoon of the his family, his wife was there. that always adds an element to the moment. but frankly i just didn't think his answers were very good and on the containment issue, i really do believe, i have become convinced he really does believe his statements over the years about iran and thinks we can contain a nuclear iran. i don't think we could. i don't intend to vote for him in the committee or on the senate floor. and, there were just so many inconsistencies yesterday that were explained by, well, i would have to look at the whole context of what i said at the time senator hagel kept saying. i think it is pretty clear what he said at the time. it is in contradiction is what he is saying now. if he said, i thought that then but i don't think that now i would actually actually have a little more faith in his ability to move forward in this critical job. martha: what's your sense among the senators who will vote on this? is there a sense that it is different now based on what happened yesterday? i mean people are saying, you know, that they are surprised, shocked at some of his answers? well, it is a question he didn't do that well but doesn't really change how i thought about him? >> i don't know what everybody is going to have to answer that question for themselves. and, you know, the president, he usually gets a lot of leeway in who he puts in the cabinet, who serves and leaves the same day the president leaves. more weight the president gets or in my view should get with like a supreme court appointee. i voted for john kerry although i don't agree with john kerry on lots of things but this defense secretary job, at a time when the president clearly is willing to really let our military be much smaller and much less capable than it's been in the future, than it had been in the past. having that person not aggressively arguing for a strong american military is a problem and i, i think there are a number of democrats would surely think it was a problem as well. martha: all these things came up beforehand, comments of his about iran, comments about the jewish lobby, which he says he wish he hadn't phrased it that way now. the white house said all along, wait until you get to the hearing, once you hear the context how he feels about those things we think that will put the concerns to rest. do you feel that happened yesterday? >> on that jewish lobby question, that is clearly offensive to people in support of is roehm. one of the things he said yesterday troubled me said that is the only time i ever used that phrase on the record. this is a phrase you use with some consistency off the record, that's a big problem. people said that is only time i ever said that, and i shouldn't have said it that way that is one thing. but when he said that is the only time i ever said that on the record, that sure didn't alleviate my concern of his view of our close relationship with israel. martha: i have to let you go now but i want, do you think he passes or not? >> depends on whether there is a 51 vote margin or 60 vote margin would be my guess whether or not this nomination is successful. martha: what does your gut tell you right now? >> i think for a cabinet office 51 votes is generally considered the right standard for the senate to set and at that level, i think he makes it but i don't think he makes it with a lot of room to spare. martha: senator, always good to have you. thank you so much. have a good day. >> you bet. bill: we find this horrific crash from about a week ago killing a well-known athlete days later. now raising questions about extreme sports competitions. when is dangerous too dangerous? 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>> acting against national security and fighting god. bill: fighting god? >> uh-huh. bill: was that from a christianity standpoint or, from a -- >> no, very political in iran. i am a christian but they didn't arrest me because i am a christian. i'm from a christian family. not that i was a muslim and converted to christianity. they arrested me at the age of 16 because i spoke against the islamic republic in school. bill: two years and 12. >> yes. bill: what is it like inside? >> it's living hell. upon arrival, they blindfold you. take you for interrogation. they ask you a few questions. then they never like the answers you give. they take you to the torture room. they tie you up and they tort if you you. bill: how? >> if you're lucky you survive. they tied me with a bear wooden bed. two men. they handcuffed me to the bare wooden bed. i lied on my stomach. they took off the socks and my shoes and lashed soles of my feet with a length of cable and went on and on and on. bill: how many times did that happen, marina? >> i have no idea. it is a place where you dissolve in pain. i forgot my name. i forgot who i was. in that space there is nothing but pain. you're reduced to something you don't even know what it is. i forgot how to count. i wanted to. i couldn't. i couldn't think. bill: what did they want to get out of you at that point, marina? >> they wanted to break my soul, that's what they wanted. under torture they kept on yelling at me, where is shabard. that is girl's name. i had met her once. i had no idea what her last name was. i knew nothing about her. this is something i didn't know. i think they knew i didn't know but they were yet they kept on beating me. bill: they were there looking for information or they were trying to get you to say something? >> they, no. they were trying to devastate me. they were trying to destroy me so that in case i survived and ever make it out i would never, ever, do anything against them again. they were trying to teach me a lesson. that's what they were trying to do. i survived it. i was one of the lucky ones. bill: did you give in. >> yes. they gave me papers, a lot of papers. and they told me sign here, sign here, sign here. i signed everything. i didn't even read what i signed. i just signed. i just wanted to get out of that room. i wanted to go hole and sleep in my own bed. bill: how long have you now been in toronto? >> since 19, i left iran in 1990. it took ten months to get to canada. i've been here since 1991. bill: would you go back or have you been back? >> i would love to. no, i haven't been. i have friend. family. my church is there. it is where i grew up. it is where i was born. of course i love iran but i can't they made me convert to islam when i was in prison. i converted back to christianity when i was released. this put another death sentence over my head. and basically i have a death sentence. if i go back to iran i will be arrested at the airport. bill: what is this pastor then up against in this jail? >> he's up insanity. that is what he's up against. i've been campaigning for the release of a canadian iranian man for the past five years. his on death row for two weeks. off death row for two weeks. on and off. this is basically torture, not only for him but for his family. he was tortured. his brother died under torture. abedini is facing the same situation. convert frogs islam to christianity what he did, basically according to iranian law, it could be punishable by death. bill: yeah. >> so, the situation is very dire. it's very serious for him. bill: one more question on this. sometimes the iranians convict, especially westerners. then a few days later they're released. would you expect that here or do we know? >> you know, the thing is that the iranian government is entirely unpredictable. it all depends which way the political winds are blowing. usually these prisoners, they hold them, the foreign prisoners, they hold them as hostages and maybe they're hoping they can get something out of some government somewhere under certain circumstances. i mean i don't know what is going on behind closed doors. his chances are much better than just an iranian prisoner. bill: his wife certainly hopes so. she has been on with us many times and she has been very strong through all this. we hope and pray for the best for her and for him. marina, thank you for your story. it is gripping and dramatic. >> thank you so much. bill: i had no idea when we started that interview that she would go into that detail. martha: incredibly brave woman to speak out the way she does now from canada. incredible story. well, as the nation's debt continues to soar, congress loses, congress both to lose the country's credit limit. we talk to chris wallace about that coming up in "america's newsroom." we'll be right back. 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[inaudible] >> reporter: the state department is treating this as a terrorist attack. spokesman victoria nuland issued a statement not long ago saying the state department and other government agencies are investigating, bill. bill: it was two days ago or this week when the u.s. patriot batteries arrived at a port city in southwestern turkey. now we get word inside of ankara it is the work of a leftist group in that country. what can we say about who is responsible, jennifer? >> reporter: the working presumption at this point in time is that this is the work of either an al qaeda group or al qaeda-linked group or an iranian proxy group that may have struck the u.s. as a result of the arrival of those patriots or the involvement in syria. remember that the working assumption in the region is that the u.s. may have helped target that weapons convoy that the israeli air force struck just two days ago. so they will be looking at all of these options. sources, intelligence sources that i spoke to though have, are leaning away from the idea that this was a turkish separatist group, the pkk, which has been involved in explosions in turkey in the past. they have never threatened u.s. interests in the past. bill: jennifer, thank you. jennifer griffin, state department, with us. here's martha with more. martha: more context now on extremism in turkey. so far nobody has claimed responsibility for this attack. as you just heard from jennifer, however, al qaeda, for example as we've discussed as has a well-established presence in turkey n july of 2011, turkish authorities filed an al -- foiled an al qaeda plot to against this same embassy. they arrested 15 suspected terrorists. the month before that 10 suspected al qaeda militants reportedly arrested in a southern turkish town. so lots of activity there. bill:. growing concerns over the potential for renewed unrest in iraq. tens of thousands of sunni muslims today demonstrating against prime minister nuri malaki in fallujah. as tensions escalate between the muslim groups and shia majority. muslims rallied last week and that rally kid five people. martha: the senate voted to temporary suspend the borrowing limit, basically giving the government the power to rack up even more debt at this time. republicans say they believe it will put pressure on lawmakers to pass their first budget in more than three years. >> the amendment we've got today will insure the debt limit increases are matched with equal cuts in federal program spending for the next 10 years. for a decade. no gimmicks or timing shifts but this will be a real cut in growth in federal spending what to make of that now? chris wallace, anchor of "fox news sunday." good to see you. >> good to be with you, martha. martha: that sound like a pretty good win for republicans? >> i'm not sure it is a win. republicans decided they will pick their fight, the worst and weakest ground which to fight is the debt limit because then the president can say you're willing to throw us into default. you're willing to risk the full faith and credit. republicans took a big hit on that when they made a big issue of it in august of 2011. they decided we'll push that down the road. instead we'll fight march 1st, the automatic sequester, $100 billion in the first year. they kick in. that is point they want to fight with the president. the government runs out of money, the funding bill runs out on march 27th. they will deman more cuts there. i think thai feeling is that is the ground which to fight. not when it comes to the debt limit. >> yeah. which they were not successful at. let's talk a little bit about this provision that was added. no budget, no pay. we haven't seen a budget out of the senate in nearly four years. is this going to produce any change in that fact? >> well, that is a victory for the republicans because they have been very frustrated at the fact that there hasn't been, the democrats, controlling the senate, have not passed a budget since 2009. now, doesn't mean that we're going to get a budget. because the house which passed budgets will pass it again. the senate will. that doesn't mean they're going to agree. at least it forces democrats to come out to show their hand and say here is what we're willing to cut. here is what we're not willing to cut. republicans think when it becomes comparison between our plan in the future how to deal with the 16 trillion dollar plus debt and their plan, that we will win. martha: very interesting to see what the senate will put in their budget, won't it? they haven't shown their hand on this four years. they have work to do for the first time perhaps in a long time. >> they could do that or decide voluntarily not to get paid. i suspect they will come out with a budget. you're right. the president has to submit a budget and he submitted one last year and the senate voted it down 99-0. so they didn't like it. they can't sit there say, paul ryan wants to dump grandma off the cliff. martha: right. and at least they will have to put in some work on an actual budget plan, even if they know it will get shot down in order to get their own paycheck as you say. i also want to talk to you, chris, before we run out of the time, about interviews that we have on "fox news sunday." you're going to be talking to mark kelly, who we saw in the hearings this week on gun control. and you're also going to be speaking to wayne lapierre of the nra. these were very emotional hearings over this weekend. what do you want to talk to them about on sunday, chris? >> well, i guess, you know, look, every day you guys, because you cover it every day, there is another act of violence. another person who, you know, walks into a school, walks into a mall, walks into a work place, and starts shooting it up. you know, really? can we do nothing about it? is it impossible to? i don't know that i know necessarily what the answer is, whether it is more background checks. whether it is better mental health. the president obviously refused to call out his friend on in hollywood about all the violence and videogames and movies. can we, is it possible, and i hope, and in expanded you know, half an hour of fox news sunday, the first half hour when we talk to the two guests is it possible to find any common ground, sensible solutions? i know lapierre will never go for an assault weapons ban which kelly wants and obviously other people want but is there some common ground on guns, on mental health, on the culture we live in to try to prevent the acts you guys have to report on every day? martha: it is truly, it is truly, remarkably awful. as i was commenting after the show yesterday. that every single day it seems, we report on another shooting. both side seem so entrenched, chris. nra and the gun associations that we talk to really, they want more guns. they want more accessibility in many ways to guns so people can arm themselves because they see that as the solution as you well know from talking about this so much yourself. we'll look forward to that chris. thank you very much. >> thank you. martha: we'll see you sunday. there it is, captain mark kelly will be with chris over the weekend, as will wayne lapierre, the ceo of the nra. should be very interesting. we look forward it that with chris wallace. bill: here's something you haven't seen for years. the dow industrials, the 30 stocks among that group, just crossed 14,000 a moment ago. they come back a little bit here. martha: they cheated you though. they took away the opportunity to see the big 14 on the screen. bill: trust me, a moment ago it was 14,. here is what i want to tell you about that. the last time we saw that, trading above 14,000, was october of 2007. there is survey that came out of the u.s. manufacturing activity rises strongly in january on new orders and increased hiring. that is the alert from the app. they remind the news we got hour and a half ago, the news on unemployment at 7.9%. we were at 7.8. we ticked up a point to 7.9. you can probably look and find good news and look and find bad news throughout this economy. the jobs market is still crucial as we point out. not enough americans working. martha: the stock market diverging from the general american experience. so we'll see if that continues. we'll keep an eye on it. another thing we are watching and we are as a nation very concerned about, this little 5-year-old child who has begun to be crying for his parents in this bunker which no doubt makes it an even more tense situation under the ground there. how do you deal with a situation like this? how do you make sure that this little child gets out of that bunker in good shape? bill: also there are new threats from al qaeda where the terror group is now promising more attacks? we'll tell you where. >> now for something completely different. a teacher in a bit of hot water for sending out half naked pictures of herself. here's why we find this interesting because that kind of stuff seems to happen once in a while in this country these days. the students are rallying behind her. they say it is her freedom of speech at stake. what do you think? send me a tweet @marthamaccallum. >> not she was doing any kind of bad stuff or anything else. she was a great teacher. she was nice to me. she would always help me with my math problems. she would never talk about marijuana. >> like a little too much information. she doesn't really need to share that. 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how is it going do you think so far? >> well there were a lot of reasons to believe that it was going to progress exactly like this. had the earmarks of the very beginning something we referred to as a prepared-for siege which we expect to last multiple days. so as it continues like this they're establishing a working relationship with the gentleman on the inside and taking care of the child and there's no reason to believe or there is no indication that is the threat level is indicated. so they're hearing him out. they understand it is complicated. this is going as expected at this point in time. martha: you know i mean you wonder with a little boy down there, dr. keith ablow, i will put this question to you, you know you're in very close quarters. any human beings when you're in those close quarters it can get, you know, tiresome. what about this relationship? what about how you deal with a man who has taken this action? >> well, i think it's important not to dismiss what the elements of this action are. i mean he is underground with a little boy, who is separated from his parents and terrified. i wouldn't dismiss the meaning of that by the way. i would be talking to him about that little boy and understanding that what i'm speaking of, his pain, his trauma, may echo to some extent things that this perpetrator, this hostage-taker has been through. this is somebody who obviously set up incredible boundaries around him. if you were to wander on to his property supposedly there were terrible consequences. why did those boundaries get formed to begin with? talking about the boy's pain may trigger something positive in the nan -- man that touches his empathy. martha: dr. ablow, what would you say to him to convince him to let this child go? >> i would tell him that it's very important that this child not carry this trauma forward with him beyond what already has happened. that that child's life is valuable and can still be highly productive and beautiful and that his life, the hostage-takers life does not need to end at all. he has a message and something to say. regardless where he says it, whether it is in a courtroom or elsewhere, it can still be that he finds his voice. he can still find god. he needs to be told hess life is not over and needs not to impact negatively a child's life one moment further. martha: yeah. christopher voss, do you agree with that, in terms of what needs to be said to this man in there to convince him to set this little boy free? >> well a certain elements of that that are true. the gentleman on the inside, all these boundaries that he set up it is very defensive. he is protecting himself. so the real key here, the reason why he is still holding the child because he thinks he need to do that in order to protect himself. he can let the child go and law enforcement is still not going to assault. they want him out alive, no matter what happens. and the child is not necessary to for him to still have his day in court, or to protect himself. they want him to come out alive. whether or not he holds the child. so if he lets the child go they're still going to try to get him to come out alive. they want to save his life. martha: just to reiterate, christopher, you talked about there being three different kinds of these situations. this is a prepared-for situation clearly. he has this bunker. the neighbors know he spends time down there sometimes. so he's ready. he is in there for the duration? >> yeah, he's had a vision of something like this happening for a while. while he was constructing the bunker he expected he would have to go down there for a certain period of time already. the other two types are respond feign just and the -- spontaneous and plan-for situations with much more volatile situations and swings. he is ready for this and to be down there for a while. martha: gentlemen, thank you. we hope for a save out come in this situation and safety for this child. >> thank you, martha, my pleasure. bill: look out! 13,990. was at 14,000. are we going to close above 14,000? martha: on a friday? bill: if we do, we haven't seen numbers like this in five 1/2 years. you're asking yourself while is this booming while the unemployment number is this big? this shows you american companies have already readjusted to the new normal, the new reality. unfortunately that has meant jobs. they cut them to make them more profitable jet again. this is the result, a rising stock market. good for the 401(k), but not good at 7.9% unemployment. martha: and come monday he will be the father of a super bowl champion. bill: yes he will. martha: we can say that without any hesitation no matter who wins this game. jack harbaugh speaking out on preparing for "the har-bowl". >> we will not attend any of the teams practice tests. we will not visit their war room so to speak where these fancy offenses and defenses are being, you know, etched into stone so to speak. stay as far away as we possibly can. one. two. three. my credit card rewards are easy to remember with the bankamericard cash rewards credit card. earn 1% cash back everywhere, every time. 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♪ . like that song too, huh? bill: i like the alicia keys version too. keyboards only. well-done. >> star-spangled banner for her at this time. bill: this was the new york moment. this has never happened before. i don't know if you will ever see this again. two brothers are coaching against each other in a super bowl on sunday, and the father of john and jim harbaugh, telling fox's jim gray what is it like to have his sons face off on america's biggest stage? >> i don't think it really hit us yet exactly what impact this has on our family and what impact it has on us. i mean just the stage, the stage is just so big and we're still trying to find out what our places. bill: so big. you can't find a bigger one. that is just some of what our fox news contributor jim gray found out with jack harbaugh. great interview, jim. good whoing to you down there in new orleans. his wife requested the commissioner of the league to make it a tie on sunday. how is that working out? >> well, she petitioned the commissioner. didn't get much luck there. that is how she would like for it to end. this is unprecedented. never happened before. the only thing you can pair it to richard and orsien williams. parents of serena and venus williams. they had this in grand slams many times before. i asked jim what it is like for him and his wife jackie to have both sons against each other in the big game? >> it is no different than when they came home and said dad, i made our junior high school football team. and that smile on their face. you hugged them. i'm so proud of you. when they said dad, i'm the starting whatever on our high school basketball team. oh, the emotions you feel aren't any different. just the stage is bigger and there is more people to share it with. but as a parent the emotions are all the same. >> and of course after the game the emotions are going to be really, really much, much different. for one, they will be on the victory platform, hosting, hoisting the vince lombardi trophy. for the other it will be really in all aspects of agony of defeat. they will have to contemplate the opportunity of a lifetime. i asked jack how will you handle the after the game? >> our first thought will be the one that came up a little bit of short. that agony of defeat type thing sips we all heard since we were very, very young. we'll take time to too to go and share the thrill of victory with the other son. and with equal emotions. >> bill, i'm doing the broadcast on dial global radio. just about 20 minutes ago we had both brothers together to do an interview and their parents came in. you could really see the emotion going on. john is really loose and easy with all this. jim is already intense. he has the game face on. bill: john is baltimore. jim is san francisco. >> correct. bill: i thought it was really cool what the father said to you. he said the best thing the less you see of jack and jackie, the mother and father the better. this family is so cool and very humble too, jim. >> they really are and they have a daughter and their daughter is married to tom kreen, the head coach of indiana university. and indian plays tomorrow, saturday against michigan. so a huge game. they're both top-ranked teams in the ncaa. this is coaching family. jack spent 40 years as a coach in high school and college football. he knows what this is like. bill: that is cool stuff to be there with you and the harbaugh family earlier today. they met last year thanksgiving today, 2011, right? which brother won? >> well, the ravens won, john won. and the parents said we've had a bit of a trial at this, a dry run. we know what it's like and mom, jackie, she is really, she is a huge, huge fan. she likes to sit at home and sometimes she says she gets a little excited. sometimes she even screams at the television. well they will be in the stands, the entire family. she told me this morning this is the first time in 14 years their entire family will be together because everybody is always working on thanksgiving, working on christmas. can't get together on birthdays. she said she will not scream at field though. she will sit there with her hands folded and keep her mouth shut. martha: i will believe that when i see it. bill: jim, enjoy the game. see you in new orleans. all the storylines in a season to end up like this. then again, mom and dad have to deal with a winner and loser come sunday night. is a great storyline. martha: sound like they have a good handle. we'll bring you back to the breaking news this morning out of turkey. john bolton will talk about what has happened in turkey. an embassy suicide bombing. more details right after this break. hi. i'm henry winkler. and i'm here to tell homeowners that are 62 and older about a great way to live a better retirement. it's called a reverse mortgage. 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want to show you the map right now and put some more context into not just today's events but all the events we've been reporting over the past we can. egypt down here, israel, syria with the ongoing civil war here and turkey up here. in the capital city of ankara'da where our embassy is located. turkey has been talking about the concerns about the war down here in syria possibly crossing into its borders. just this week, in fact two or three days ago u.s. patriot missile batteries arrived in a port city here in southwestern turkey, said to be assembled about 60 miles off the border of syria for security for defense. we'll advance it one more time because yesterday we were talking about what was happening just south of there. here in syria, where reportedly an israeli air strike took out either a convoy or research center or both. again none of that has been fully confirmed, various reports about weapons possibly going into lebanon from syria to aid hezbollah. as soon as that happened the syrians came out, advance it one more time, the syrians came out with strong wording against israel, strong threats, and iran was part of that statement as well against israel. now you see the context for how this all fits together right now on our map geographically speaking. john bolton now, former u.s. ambassador to the united nations, fox news contributor here to try and i guess piece it all together and help us understand what is important and what is not. based on the events of today what should we understand? >> well, obviously at this point we don't know who is responsible, but you've laid out some of the possibilities. the curdish communist party which has long been in a struggle with the curdish government over independence, possible but i think unlikely because they have no interest in striking american targets. they don't want us siding with the turkish government in their struggle for independence. possible but unlikely. more likely child or a related terrorist group. al-qaida has planned attacks against americans facilities in turkey before. there have been attacks against british diplomatic facilities. whether it's related to the ongoing con tpwhreubgt in syria i don'conflict in syria, i don't know, very possible though. that would be my guess. bill: this is four and a half months now, and the second u.s. embassy to be hit. >> the war on terror is not over, al-qaida has not been defeated. the struggle is spreading. if we don't face up to that reality we will have another attack on an american embassy that will be even more successful from the terrorists point of view. bill: the consulate in benghazi is what i was referring to. now we understand that leon panetta will testify about benghazi. is this a redo for republicans? they were widely panned and criticized for not being effective with hillary clinton. >> you have to ask questions to get answers. if you make statements in a congressional hearing you'll get statements filibustering back at you. lindsey graham said that the hagel nomination for secretary of defense would not make it on to the floor unless the armed services committee got testimony from leon panetta about benghazi. that looks to be in train and i think they will insist that that testimony take place before the committee itself votes on the hagel nomination. bill: just one more question here, very broadly speaking. we were just talking about the middle east. you could move south on that map and talk about the northern continent of africa. >> right. bill: what are we doing as a country to engage in either of these areas to make sure the problems of today do not get worse? >> we have no strategy. that's why i've been so concerned that the whole sweep from the atlanta coast of west africa, through the middle east, all the way over to pakistan is deteriorating from the proceed pebgt tiff the united states and its close allies. israel, arab countries in the region. the threat of terri eupl, inch sur recollection, the threat of the iranian nuclear program all growing, no response from america or the west. bill: we'll wait for more news out of the state department and the pentagon today. thank you, john bolton, mr. ambassador, good to have you here. 22 minutes before the hour, martha. martha: there are new concerns about al-qaida's growing influence in north africa and their desire to strike more western targets. this comes after last month's hostage crisis at an algerian gas plant that left 30 people dead, including three americans. our chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge live in washington with more. how advanced is this plotting. >> senior u.s. intelligence officials discuss the threat picture in north africa. before this morning's attack on the u.s. embassy in turkey intelligence officials describing to hit western as well as u.s. car gets as aspirational as the goal of al-qaida in north africa, not just concrete plots with established planning. the attack on the gas plant in mid january, the hostage crisis there led secretary of state hillary clinton to concede that the threat to u.s. interests in the region was growing as these groups pull their resources and people. >> i think that we have to take seriously all of these terrorist groups, whatever they call themselves. now, at the moment they don't necessarily have either the interest or the ability to attack our homeland, but we have a lot of facilities. we have a lot of assets in north africa. >> reporter: at the same time al-qaida in north africa seems to be on a roll. the the ability of the u.s. community to gather information has diminished. libya's weapons fuel the capability of thighs islamist groups, martha. martha: what kind of targets do we think we may have in mind. >> reporter: again this was information that we learned yesterday. at that time senior u.s. intelligence officials said that al-qaida in north africa, an associated islamist groups want to strike a broad range of targets, quote, this is u.s. interests, hardened targets including diplomatic facilities as well as soft targets such as american citizens working there. under like the tribal areas of pakistan where the u.s. can partner with one nation on counterterrorism issues, al-qaida presents new challenges. it's a regional player whose followers move seamless lee. senior us intelligence officials say affected nations are more concerned with the al-qaida problem within their own borders and less concerned with taking this broader regional leadership role that will be required to prevent these groups from sta establishing a safe-haven in north africa. martha: thank you, catherine. bill: i don't know where you start on that map. the list is so long and growing by the week. martha: it's just one powder keg connected to another potentially. bill: 19 minutes before the hour now. a brazen jewelry heist is caught on camera. a thief using a car as a battering ram. martha: that is one way to get inside. students rallying behind their young teacher. she looks very young, don't she? she is 23 years old. she posted shocking pictures of herself online and some of them are rallying around her. make as favorite recipes? just begin with america's favorite soups. bring out chicken broccoli alfredo. or best-ever meatloaf. go to campbellskitchen.com for recipes, plus a valuable coupon. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. so we created the extraordinarily comfortable sleep number experience. a collection of innovations designed around a bed with dualair technology that allows you to adjust to the support your body needs - each of your bodies. our sleep professionals will help you find your sleep number setting. exclusively at a sleep number store. sleep number. comfort ... individualized. at the ultimate sleep number event, queen mattresses start at just $599 . and save 50% on our innovative limited edition bed. martha: here is a little story that caught our attention. a colorado high school teacher is under investigation. reportedly she posted some racy pictures of herself on her twitter account. here is one snapshot for investigative purposes, just so you get the idea of what is out there, folks. she is 23 years old, a math teacher. other pictures show her potentially smoking marijuana, drinking alcohol, and some of the other pictures she talked at one point about a drug bust going on at the high school while she had some of her own stash in her car, and wasn't that ironic, things like that. some of the students are supporting her, they say that it's her first amendment right to use her twitter feed the way she wants. other kids are shocked. the district less than pleased. >> it's not something that they would hang on a classroom wall. we recommend that you don't put it on your facebook or twitter page. >> you have a teacher who always parties. it's weird being in that clas classroom. >> if any teacher posted that on twitter or facebook they should be fired. it's too much information. she doesn't need to share that. martha: who could say it better than that. carlie mckenney is currently on paid leave. you get to have paid leave if you do something like this. let's bring in some of our favorites to talk about these sort of ethical societal implications of this story. michael graham, a radio talk show host. and we have a civil litigation attorney for the legal side of this equation. welcome, folks, good to have you here. in some ways sadly, michael these kind of stories are sort of a dime a dozen. what caught our eye is that many of the students, and they've been mostly sending out tweets, they are not so much on camera they are saying, hey this is her first amendment right, this is her social media part of her life, it's not her employer's business what she is doing and they are fine with that. what does that say about our culture? >> first of all the high school kid are saying, come on fight the power, i'm with the teacher to. i want you to know right now i'm not wearing any pants. martha: that is a little too much information. >> here is my advice. follow the advice of that great philosopher dean wormer, naked, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, ma'am. the issue is not the first amendment. you're free to say what you want within parameters but there is so such thing as consequence-free conversation. i have a teenage daughter, i have to send her to class with sally stoner to hangout and talk about math? no, she clearly cannot be a public school teacher and be an advocate for drinking, smoking and getting your party on. she has her choice. teacher error frat gal. martha: some say they think it's weird that their teacher is partying. if she is they don't want to know about it. she claims some of these tweets are not directly from her. she says she was sharing this twitter feed. there are a lot of pictures we could not show you during the day on fox news. bill: during the day. martha: yes. at night perhaps on other shows. bill: o'reilly will show them in a heartbeat, come on we all know that. martha: we'll see, we'll tune in tonight and find out. let me talk to you a little bit about the legal side of this. is she protected under the law? >> you know, i don't know what this teacher was thinking, and i think the school would be well within their rights to reprimand her and even terminate her, because, yes, teachers do have a first amendment right, but the courts have held that teachers' social media posts, if they cause a substantial disruption to the teaching inch kraoeurpbment outweigh the first amendment and there is no dispute here that these tweets and photos disrupted the environment. the students all saw their teacher half naked, smoking pot, tweeting about getting drunk and partying, how can you reasonably put this teacher in a classroom to teach these students? you can't. martha: it's such a good point. you have to love the fact that the school district is saying, it's under investigation. she has a paid leave. i mean there has to be -- we all know it's tougher to fire a public school teacher in this country than it is to bring in a homicide suspect on charges. it's very, very tough. so, i mean can't they in good conscience just say u know what you're fired, you can't do this. it's unethical. >> substantial disruption is the legal term and that is absolutely right. a very simple rule, teachers who refer to their own students as jail bait in public don't get to be teachers any more. it bothers me that there is such a notion that you condition judge other people's behavior. adults are in the business of judgments. the primary job of a school system is to t young people judgment. you can learn math and science anywhere. this woman has awful judgment. martha: one of the are scary things to me as parent is i think kids see these kind of note owes now as no big deal. they are like, oh, it's almost like flirting used to be. it's sort of an innocent -- she just put pictures out, it's not a big deal. she is not that much older than we are in high school they are saying, so what. which is it's own short of frightening issue. just a last schottenstein on what happens from here. >> i agree with your other guest. i think the bottom line that teaches are like it or not role models and they should be held to a higher standard. if a teacher frankly doesn't have enough common-sense not to put out tweets on a public twitter page then they shouldn't be charged with thaoefpg our students, period. martha teaching our students, period. martha: thank you so much. have a great weekend. bill: jon scott is coming up in ten minutes. what you cooking up, jon. jon: good morning to you. don't call her madam secretary any more. last day on the job for hillary clinton on her way out. she has taken a swipe at critics of the obama administration's handling of the benghazi attack we will fill you in on that. plus day four of that alabama standoff a suspect hold up underground with a five-year-old boy. what is being done to try to get them out. we'll find out from one of america's top criminal profilers. the entire month is dedicated to raising awareness of heart disease. the number one killer of women, not cancer, heart disease. life-saving info for you coming up on "happening now." bill: we'll see you then. the moneyess tear rerebuilt with beer. moneyes monastery rebuilth beer. bill: christian monks now teaming up with a modern craft brewery to help restore a 16th century monastery in california cloud yeah cowen live to explain in san francisco drinking up there. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. it might seem unlikely a small monastery in northern california keeping up with a brewery to raise money, in fact monks have been making craft beers for centuries and this collaboration is helping to preserve a piece of monastic history. ♪ [singing] >> reporter: for the monks of this abby in this tiny city in california one prayer has been answered, the rebirth of this gothic house, the same stones built from a monastery in spain. >> you can see the color and damaged stone of the medieval era. >> reporter: this monk has spent decade rebuilding the monastery here. william randolph hearsay acquired the buildings from spain but his rebuilding it in california never materialized. the stones languished in san francisco for decades. eventually the monks undertook the restoration themselves with the help of sierra nevada brewery in nearby chico. together they developed ovela, abby ails brewed in the monk tradition. the line is helping sierra nevada branch out while some of the proceeds have helped fund this architectural marvel, a reunion with the pillars that witnessed this shame order of monks, centuries ago. >> they are back home and i think they are happy about that. they are singing again, if you can put it that way. >> reporter: the abby hopes to raise another 2 hill dollars to complete the restoration. bill, it will be the third medieval building in all of north america, a remarkable achievement that comes from strong faith and the monks hope strong sales of this brew with a back story. bill: all profits go in the collection basket on sunday. thank you, claudia. martha: we've got more on this breaking news coming out of turkey this morning where a homicide bomber killed at least one guard and injured several other people at the u.s. epl as bee in ankara'da. the state department speaking out now. we'll tell you what they are saying, whether anyone has claimed responsibility for this yet. we'll be right back. ♪ ooh baby, looks like you need a little help there ♪ ♪ ooh baby, can i do for you tod? ♪ [ female announcer ] need help keeping your digestive balance? align can help. only align has bifantis, a patented probiotic that naturally helps maintain your digestive balance. try align to help retain a balanced digestive system. try the #1 gastroenterologist recommended probiotic. align. two. three. my credit card rewards 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>> announcer: from nbc news world headquarters in new york, this is "nbc nightly news" with lester holt. >> good evening. to a lot of people, the republican race for president may be feeling more and more like a reality show tonight starring a man who before he became a candidate, proved he could draw an audience. and so donald trump will likely have a lot of eyeballs watching tonight. either the republican debate that he has now vowed to boycott or his own event that could steal the spotlight. leading up to all this, a public dual with fox news, public pleas that he reconsider, even prime time discussions of milkshakes, all just four days until the vote in iowa. peter alexander explains. >> reporter: tonight should be the republicans final showdown before the wow caucuses. the front-runner staging his own prime time event to raise money for veterans. going head to head on tv with the fox news debate just three miles away. even drawing a pair of his underdog opponents. mike huckabee and rick santorum. >> by walking away from this debate -- >> i'm not walking away. i was pushed away. i'm not walking away. >> trump is defiantly positioning himself as the deal maker in chief. >> it's called an eye for an eye. >> i bought you so many vanilla milkshakes, you owe me. >> n >>. >> reporter: today, the billionaire launched this fundraising website, claiming 100% of donations to donald j. trump foundation will help vets. canines for warriors tells nbc news the campaign contacted them late today saying they're 1 of 18 nonprofits now under consideration. but a separate veterans group is skeptical, tweeting, money doesn't need to be funneled through a political campaign. just donate directly to groups doing good work. will trump's debate boycott backfire? his opponents say yes. >> it's not that he's afraid of me. he's afraid of you. >> reporter: still, trump has momentum and now the lead here in iowa. according to the latest nbc news poll. >> what are the risks for donald trump? >> the risks for trump is that he looks weak by not confronting his opponents. the up side is he avoids being the pinata at the republican debate. >> reporter: marco rubio rising in the polls, already taking a swing. >> interesting side show. greatest show on earth. this is not a show. this is serious. >> reporter: late tonight, another twist. donald trump's campaign confirms to nbc news that trump would be willing to debate ted cruz one-on-one just as soon as the canadian-born senator gets a federal judge to rule on his el jib illity to be president. lester. >> thank you. on the democratic side of the race, our brand new poll shows hillary clinton and bernie sanders locked in a virtual tie in iowa even as the two campaigns look beyond the hawkeye state, debating whether to hold more debates. meantime, clinton is also getting drawn away from the trail to raise more money, something her opponent was quick to pounce on. we get details from nbc's andrea mitchell. >> reporter: it's a dead heat for the democrats in iowa. our new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll has hillary clinton leading bernie sanders by just three points, within the margin of error. but in sanders' neighboring new hampshire, the vermont senator has a commanding 19-point lead. with the race more competitive, beth are now agreeing to more debates, including next week in new hampshire if the democratic party approves. >> the political world has changed a little bit and now it seems like hillary clinton would like another debate. you know what? i said that's fine. i don't mind that. >> reporter: but facing a longer than expected primary contest, clinton left iowa wednesday afternoon to raise money in philadelphia from an investment firm and in new york today. >> some of my supporters, including my good friend john bon jovi had a fundraiser for me. >> reporter: but clinton's fundraising plays into one of sanders' top issues, wall street money in politics. 9 focus of a new sanders ad violates his pledge not to go negative. >> how does wall street get away with it? millions in campaign contributions and speaking fees. >> why isn't that a negative ad? >> does it mention hillary clinton? >> nope. >> does it have any image of hillary clinton? >> nope. aren't you suggesting she's bought by wall street? >> i'm not suggesting anything at all. >> reporter: tonight clinton returned to iowa, and sanders, who at 74 would be the holdest person ever elected president if he wins, released his medical report, asserting he's in very good health. >> you know what i'm thinking of doing? >> not with me. not with me. >> it was a tough decision. do i get involved in senior boxing, go for the light heavy weight championship or run for president? i've decided to run for president. >> reporter: now, hillary clinton is back in iowa tonight. she only just took the stage tonight, though. and because this contest is so tough, she does repeatedly have to go back to fund raise from those big donors, unlike sanders, who has more than 2.5 million online contributors. let's bring in our political director, the moderator of "meet the press," chuck todd. how is this playing there in iowa? any signs of a blow-back on the ground there? >> not from anybody that's thinking about supporting trump, and that's probably good news for him. look, he has figured out a way to steal the spotlight from this debate before it started, and there's already a lot of rumors circulating around here that he may figure out how to steal the spotlight after the debate is over, that maybe he shows up in the spin room or he figures out a way. and that's been, you know, his campaign in a nutshell is he figures out how to almost pull the rug out from under his opponent. as for the debate tonight, i think it's actually fascinating that trump's not on stage and instead the focus will be on ted cruz and marco rubio. you know, the other big news in our new nbc news/"wall street journal" maris poll is rubio has ticked up. rubio is now in a strong third-place position. what does that mean? ted cruz is hammering rubio with a new attack ad. tonight, lester, rubio v. cruz, this actually could be the showdown worth watching and the one that could extend if trump falters. >> a lot of things in play. chuck, thanks. a program note. last night we talked to bernie sanders. tomorrow night we'll have my conversation with hillary clinton on the trail in iowa. a final sprint before the voting begins. a warning now from the world health organization that the zika virus is, quote, spreading explosively. in this year alone, three to four million in north and south america could be infected with the virus linked to birth defects. the cdc says the number of people returning to the u.s. with zika is growing. nbc's tom costello has more. >> reporter: dr. whitney prince is one of a few americans who has experienced the zika virus as a patient. it was on her honeymoon in bora bora that she contracted zika through a mosquito bite. once home, she developed a skrin rash, conjunctivitis, and a headache. >> feeling very worn out, tired, kind of dragging, and i actually ended up staying out of work for about a day and a half, mainly because of the joint pain, because it was painful to walk at that point. >> reporter: dr. prince recovered and she was not pregnant. no unborn child at risk of developing microcephaly. but in brazil today. nbc news was with this woman when she visited her doctor. her 2-year-old is one of thousands of baby who's have been born with microcephaly this year. while mosquitos carrying zika have not yet arrived in the u.s., 31 cases have turned up in 11 states and d.c. all of them involved travelers who contracted zika while abroad. in addition, 19 cases in port rico in one in the virgin islands. while experts some zika mosquitos will arrive in southern gulf states, they don't expect a massive outbreak. >> there is always the slight possibility that we might see a major outbreak. we don't think that's going to occur, but we're going to be prepared for it. >> reporter: the reasons for the optimism, there's far less trash and stagnant water in u.s. urban areas. cities and towns spray for mosquitos here. cold weather acts as a barrier, and americans use air-conditioning and window screens to keep mosquitos out meanwhile, gina park is 18 weeks pregnant. she and her husband have now canceled an upcoming trip to mexico. >> we just thought it wasn't worth the risk to go. we just probably couldn't live with ourselves if something ever did happen. >> reporter: meanwhile, the national institutes of health today said it hopes to start clinical drug trials this year, but a zika vaccine could be years away. tom costello, nbc news, washington. let's turn now to a mystery that played out for hours late this afternoon in the new york area as reports started to stream in of what felt like an earthquake from the jersey shore all the way to long island and connecticut, prompting a failure rid of 911 calls. turns out it was actually a series of sonic booms caused by a military f 35 fighter jet based in maryland conducting flight tests up the new jersey coast. mystery solved. just a lot of frayed nerves left behind. >> we have breaking news on this tense stale mate in oregon at the federal refuge seized by government protesters. just four hold outs remain and we're now hearing things may be coming to a conclusion there. leader ammon bundy had urged them to stand down. bundy was arrested tuesday when violence erupted during a traffic stop and left one member of his group dead. now to an nbc news exclusive. we've gotten extraordinary access into iran and in a rare interview, the american educated head of iran's nuclear program reveals to nbc's richard engel interview before heard details about the controversial deal that lifted international sanctions on iran. >> reporter: little is known about how iran ended up making a deal with its old enemy, the united states. but now in the first american interview since the deal, the head of iran's atomic energy organization told nbc news his country's supreme leader, its ayatollah entrusted him with hammering out the details of the nuclear agreement, within limits. >> he said i do not trust the americans. but okay. i trust you. you give it a try and see what you can do. >> reporter: ali akbar salah hi, an mit educated science. revealed for the first time conditions the supreme leader set. >> one condition is you just discuss the nuclear issue, no political negotiations. >> the ayatollah also insisted talks had to be quick and preserve iran's right to enriched uranium. >> the fourth condition was a condition that let's keep it for ourselves. >> reporter: you don't want to say what it is even now? >> not now. >> reporter: but he did want to talk about taking relations with the u.s. to a level not seen since american diplomats were taken hostage at the u.s. embassy here 36 years ago. >> relationships, industrial cooperation, cultural cooperation. >> american factories opening here? is that what you mean? >> well, we welcome them, yes, if they want. why not? >> reporter: but trust is hard to build. >> this photograph on- >> reporter: salhi keeps photographs of a a driver assassinated in an effort to slow iran's nuclear program. "e" claims israel did the claims with washington's tacit approval, allegations washington denies and israel won't confirm. there's a space here. do you think there will be a sixth? i know obviously you don't want that. >> i hope it's me. >> you hope it's you? >> yeah, because this is a source of pride. i told you. yeah. we look for martyrdom. >> reporter: a wide gap still exists between the u.s. and iran and the zeal of its revolution remains just below the surface. richard engel, nbc news, tehran. there is more to tell you about here tonight. did you get shut out for adele tickets or maybe you paid double to see the boss? investigators say you're playing a fixed game. how they plan to crack down on it. also barbie is getting a new look. several of them, in fact, after years of criticism. we're back now with a major new investigation blowing the lid off the reason so many people get shut out when trying to buy tickets for a hot concert or sporting event. chances are it's happened to you, and it's not just because so many people are clamoring to go. investigators say it's a fixed game and as nbc's jacob rascon reports now, they're fighting back. ♪ >> reporter: everything about adele is speactacular, fans will tell you, ebs september how impossible it can be to score a ticket to see her. it's a worldwide problem for so many of the hottest events. why is it often so difficult to get tickets at face value? now a three-year investigation by the new york state attorney general reveals nightmare scenarios for many concerts tickets are never available to begin with. >> artists, promoters, venue protesters will hold back tickets. they never make it to the market. >> some shows had 70% of tickets earmarked for presale events. the report also found one trikt broker using a technique called a bot can pleedry scoop up tickets for resale. in one example, someone bought more than a thousand tickets in one minute for u 2's performance. >> it has many fans steaming. >> so frustrating. like really heartbreaking when you know you're doing it purposely so you'll pay three, four times the price. >> it's a niegs wade problem. it's everywhere. i can't think of a state in the country where this isn't a problem. and it happens at every major concert venue. >> reporter: your best shot at landing those must have tickets, experts say register for fan clubs to get early access or look for single seats. even then, there's no guarantee, leaving so many fans on a sour note. jacob rascon, nbc news, new york. when we come back, where were you 30 years ago today? questions so many are asking tonight as we remember an american tragedy. it was exactly 30 years ago when seven crew members boarded the space shuttle challenger and set off on an adventure. seconds later in a moment seared into the many of americans who watched it live and the many more who saw it replayed, the mission ended in a tragic disaster in the sky. nbc's tefn tibbles takes us back to the moment that forever changed american someplace exploration. >> and liftoff. >> on a clear but unusually cold cape canaveral morning, space shuttle challenger left this earth and headed for space. filled with anticipation and hope. but at 11:39 eastern standard time -- >> challenger, go with throttle up. >> we have just seen the launch of the space shuttle challenger. there has been a major problem. >> reporter: the shuttle tragically disintegrated high over the atlantic, its crew of seven gone. including christa mcauliffe, the first teacher in space. her parents watched at the cape. her students were watching in new hampshire. some of those students and others across the country would later choose to honor her memory by becoming teachers themselves. today at ceremonies from arlington national cemetery to cape canaveral, wreaths were laid in remembrance. we are still reaching for the stars, from the mars rover on the red planet to stunning new pictures of pluto, from the probe new horizons. and of course the international space station where today a moment of silence was held. but it was on that january night three decades ago that president ronald reagan postponed his state of the union address to deliver his poignant remembrance. >> the future doesn't belong to the faint hearted. it belongs to the brave. the challenger crew was pulling us into the future, and we'll continue to follow them. >> reporter: kevin tibbles, nbc news, chicago. there is a big change coming for new moms in the military. the pentagon announced that it will now grant 12 weeks of maternity leave to women across all branchs. that's good news for the army and air force because it doubles their leave time. bad news for the navy and marines because it cuts their leave back from 18 weeks. when we come back here tonight, barbie is breaking with the past. why the iconic doll line is getting a historic makeover. ==janelle/vo=== the offensive party theme that landed them in trouble. d how schooleadersfoun out about it. ==raj/vo== plus, command center. ===next alook t close=== next. finally tonight, a historic change for one of the most popular toys of all time. for generations, barbie dolls have presented an image of perfect beauty, and for many that's exactly the problem. but now as nbc's erica hill tells us, barbie is getting a whole new look. ♪ barbie, you're beautiful ♪ >> reporter: since barbie debuted in 1959, she's tried just about every job. >> try it again. >> reporter: but one thing that never changed, her figure. until today. when toy maker mattel introduced three new barbie body types to better represent the shapes and sizes of real women. petite, tall, and curvy. >> i think it's about time that they changed shape. >> reporter: critics have long complained barbie's body was an impossible ideal, and there was growing pressure for more physically realistic dolls. mattel went back to the drawing board, building on additions made in 2015, which introduced more diverse options. >> society felt that a brand like barbie needs to be more in touch with the times and needs to be a better reflekds of the world girls are living in today. >> reporter: while barbie remained a best settler for matt lerks, 93% of girls have owned one of the dolls, saled plunged 20% from 2012 to 2014, a slide that continued into 2015. >> more and more brands are recognizing that women and girls as consumers and as audiences, they need more. they demand more. they want more, and they'll spend more. >> reporter: mattel is hope ng the new dolls, available online now, in stores this march, will help to boost sales. >> times are changing. life has changed. we're all different shapes, different colors, different ethnicities. >> reporter: it just may be barbie's freshest look ever. erica hill, nbc news, new york. and that will do it for us on this thursday night. i'm lester holt. for all of us at nbc news, thank you for watching and good night. tonight -- we're getting a rare inside look at the fbi's covert security center while the super bowl is secretly keeping you safe. we're getting a rare inside look at the fbi's covert security center while the super bowl is in town. thanks for joining us. i'm janelle wang in for jessica aguirre. i'm raj mathai. law enforcement is security, the premiere event comes with a heavy dose of federal agents. we also have the other concerns as we approach super bowl week. pete suratos is following the story and we have the traffic and road closures. we start with kimmian knack a. you got a tour of the secret command post. what did you see? >> reporter: it wasn't just what we saw but what we lefrpd. the fbi doesn't want the command post out in the eye since it's the nucleus of their operation. if anything does go down during super bowl week or on gameday, agents say their next move will come from inside that command post. called the joint operations center, tomorrow is goes live. meaning, over 60 people from state, local and federal agencies will be here sitting side by side watching everything that goes on. >> local law enforcement will be sharing information in real time so we're all on the same page. that's critical to understanding what the situation is and re
voters. >> this is all about turnout. look, what i am asking folks to do is show up and caucus for us on monday. bring your mom, your son, your next door neighbor. it will be won on the ground in iowa, neighbor to neighbor, friend to friend, iowan to iowan. regardless of what happens here in iowa, i believe we can win. i think we can win. we're very strong in new hampshire, we're very strong in south carolina and we are incredibly strong across the super tuesday states. the so-called s.e.c. primary. >> and marco rubio also expressing confidence. >> i've been telling people all week. if they nominate me, i'll beat hillary clinton. i'll unite the republican party. we'll create new conservatives. and there is a reason why the democrats attacked me more than any other republican. they know if i'm the nominee, the republicans win. >> and joining us now live from iowa, as we pre game the debate. you heard a couple of shots from cruz and rubio. which one seems to be making the better case? >> well, i think they're both strong candidates. we have to remind ourselves. this is an extremely strong group of people. we have a handful of governors. we have cares matic outsighters. if we look at the selection and you look at the democrats. like comparing a humvee to a pogo stick. the diversity and the qualifications on the stage are unparalleled. i think the viewer has their work cut out for them. they have a lot of great voices up there. they have a decision to make. the real work is on the shoulders of the viewer. >> four hours left. four hours. exciting, huh? >> yes, yes, indeed. i think it will be fantastic and i love the people we have moderating. top notch, a fine job for the channel and the viewers that are watching. there are some very important decisions that need to be made and i think all eyes and ears will be on fox news channel to feast your eyes and ears on the information and get to choose your candidate. i'm excited about it. in terms of, ted cruz will be taking a lot of hits tonight. all eyes on him. i think he'll be ready. he looks fired up. marco rubio, i love that he keeps bringing up that he can beat hillary clinton and i think he's right about that. that's a strong point he should keep hitting home. >> who should these guys be going after? clearly evangelicals is a big thing. >> you have to think about where the weakness is. for someone like cruz, can you make a deal? can you get along with people? is it the fact that you have gone back and forth on ethanol to play the iowa voters? and then of course you go deeper. and i'm looking for action from people like rand paul. greg mentioned two senators. i think there are three senators. i think the third one, rand paul -- >> i don't count him. >> well, i think we have to, to be polite. and i think rand paul, now back on the main stage. he was not there last time. >> also, ringing a lot of bells lately. kasich. >> i think we should be prepared for some surprises. i think the questions will be really tough. up to now -- like in a marathon. they stay first 20 miles is easy compared to the last six. so tonight is the last six. we found out that last night when we were on the show that about 35 to 40% of people in iowa who are planning to vote will change their minds between tonight and monday. so you have to i guess sprint to the finish if i'm completing my spets m sports metaphor. >> no one is talking about chris christie. >> i think he'll be very good tonight. >> i always thought he would resonate. he has that big personality. he goes and shakes hands with these guys at the diners. tonight i think ted cruz, all the pressure is on ted cruz. he is kind of the front-runner on stage tonight. let's see how he wears that hat. there will be a lot of action coming his way. he needs to look presidential. he needs maintain that he is the outsider. he has a likability issue. we know that. he has to smile more. he has a reputation as a little bit of a nasty guy. he will hit the faith part, conservative principles hard. and he's had better answers on amnesty and surveillance. >> i want to get to this on faithful how far will the candidates to go court the evangelical vote? here's a preview of what we could expect. >> our nation should hope that our next president is someone who every day and every night and at every moment drops to their knees and asks the lord for guidance and asks the holy spirit for inspiration and asks for wisdom. >> when people ask, is faith real? in my family i would have been raise bade single mom without my father in the household if it were not for the redemptive love of jesus christ. i gave my life to jesus as well and it turned my life around. >> i for one believe people of faith should act on their faith and they should be informed by their faith. >> so i think last time around. 53 or 57% of the vote. the caucusgoers were evangelicals. and one poll said about 36%. we'll see. i do think having worked for somebody that definitely started his day as president every day with a prayer. and i remember, you know that funny picture of me with dikembe mutombo? he is towering over me? behind me is a photograph on the wall and it is president bush and he has his head bowed. what is he doing? he is praying. there was a prayer before every cabinet meeting. i think americans still believe that a leader who relies on faith and the humility that it brings and the grace that it provides is important. >> and one they can trust. >> i was out in iowa and talked on some evangelicals. did you vote for romney in the general? no one even voted for romney for theological reasons. i said who did you vote for? rick santorum. they can smell phonies. they know other is an authentic conservative. a lot of them like ted cruz. they recognize that ted cruz has a real relationship with jesus christ. and you can't fake that. >> we need to know, also, every piece of u.s. currency, a coin or a bill, in some space it says in god we trust. >> i think jesse brings up a big point. religion is something that can be so easily faked. and naturally for some reason candidates become really, really really religious at election time. that's quite a coincidence for my taste. we train our candidates to overemphasize religion and punish those who don't which i think is unfair. it leads to a key distinction to what a great spiritual leader is. a person who can talk about their god and their religion but not talk about how religious they are. that's political pandering at its worse and often the sign of an imposter. >> and i would like to point out that i go to church every single day -- i'm kidding. >> we got that memo. >> all right. it's important. in god's name we trust. >> these people want to hear it. >> and you will hear that tonight. it will be important. iowa has big ears tonight. they'll be paying attention. making some very important last-minute decisions. maybe they've narrowed them down. put them over. we haven't mentioned dr. ben carson. >> i think dr. carson is the main competition. i'm sorry. am i cutting you off? >> no, i'm feeling you bad. i think that you were next. we had the same thought. >> i was going on say i think that ben carson is competing form evangelical vote very strongly. and remember there is a big connection to evangelicals and home schoolers. in the home school community, they're using ben carson's books. so they know ben carson. >> he is doing great in iowa. >> the polls don't show that. >> that's not true. >> i think he has -- >> he is doing quite well. do they stay with ben carson? picking up with him, i think there is a ahead to logical difference with the candidates. i don't think they wots he is a phony. >> he was mormon. and that means a lot to evangelicals. carson is in the game. in the caucus, you bring your top three guys. if he is in the mix he could surprise a lot of people. talk about obama, talk about hillary, talk about sanders. obamacare. these trades we're making with the iranians. the wages going down. tie unpopular policies to the neck of hillary clinton and watch her sink. i think the crowd would enjoy that. >> i think the bigger issue is values. i think it is about values and feeling as if sometimes they're estranged. >> the really wacky part of this. maybe there will be a bigger number. there are 170,000 who show up, the winner could get 40,000 or 50,000 votes would dictate the beginning of the election cycle. amazing. >> i don't like even thinking about it. it seems so surreal. that's all it takes. it is why i had like four shots of fire ball with sean hannity last night just to calm my nerves. then i charged three desserts to his room. >> can i get the air quotes here with coast with last night?" >> all right. it was an hour ago. >> don't forget that emben carson's team said they had 40,000 committed caucusgoers that were ready to vote for him. >> if that's the three, he'll be in the top three. >> and rand paul could have strong organization too. >> up next, our advice for the candidates tonight and later, we'll answer some of your questions on the debate and caucuses. so tweet them to us. use the #the five. i've smoked a lot and quit a lot, but ended up nowhere. now i use this. the nicoderm cq patch, with unique extended release technology, helps prevent the urge to smoke all day. i want this time to be my last time. that's why i choose nicoderm cq. we were in a german dance group. i wore lederhosen. so i just started poking around on ancestry. then, i decided to have my dna tested through ancestry dna. it turns out i'm scottish. so, i traded in my lederhosen for a kilt. back with more of our pre game. we'll bring greg back. we talked yesterday, your book, how to be persuasively correct. how do you do that in a debate format? they have 60 to 90 seconds to make a point. >> i would say the number one thing is no jargon. i always, when i try to write a monologue or to answer a question during a speech, i imagine myself at a bar talking to somebody after drinking a few beers. you're most honest when you're slightly buzzed and you're less afraid to say what you really think. the goal, i think the goal for these candidates is to point at the democrats and say, are you kidding me? and have america go, you're absolutely right. these three people are a joke. that's the end goal. you have to be clear, persuasive and humorous and avoid all jargon. >> okay. that's a lot. they need a list of all your band phrases to make sure they avoid that. >> jesse watters? >> my one piece of advice is to smile more. i think people want leadership in this country but they also want personality. look like you're having fun. like reagan happy warrior out there. when you're voting, you're voting to invite someone into your home for four years. you have to hear that person. it is okay to crack jokes about hillary's pants suits, bernie's hair, whatever. that's all on the table. you want to be compassionate but you want to have a little more personality. and i think that's important. >> you're describing yourself. i was so amused by that. >> unless you're going to church. >> i think you have to film up the collar. >> it is iowa. the short shorts. >> oh! >> did you remember your advice? >> did i. because they asked us earlier in the day. >> typically a forward looking happy group. from happy, not beating the you know what out of each other. and take a look at what bernie sanders is doing on the democratic side. he is staying focus asked positive and he is crushing hillary clinton staying positive so maybe make a name for yourself being very pro american. do you know who has been like that? john kasich. and it worked for him, especially in new hampshire. juan williams, you're next with your advice for republicans so take it worth a grain of salt. >> i thought, gee. i can imagine mr. ted cruz is in for the deluge. so ted cruz, get yourself a rain slicker, buddy, before you get on stage. it is going to rain hard. a hard rain is going to fall on you as the leader. but i think there will be a lot of splashing. so remember, if you are, for example, marco rubio, and you're in a fight with ted cruz. he is going on splash back and guess what, ben carson, jeb bush. if you're trying to engage, don't think you can stay dry. the rain doesn't fall on one man's house. >> i disagree. i think marco rubio is the one everybody is targeting tonight. not ted cruz. remember, there are three tickets out of new hampshire. k.g.? >> so be presidential. people are looking for a winner into the future. show why people should choose you and invest in you and more importantly, stay with you. that's what i'm looking for tonight. a commander in chief. >> i'm going with another sports metaphor which i've used before. you have to stick the landing. in gymnastics, you have to stick the landing. you have to nail it. if you think people will make up their minds between two, maybe three candidates, perhaps change their minds between tonight and monday. you want to leave them with your best argument. >> greg, how did we do on our advice? >> i learned a lot. i would add, if no one is coming to you. don't make a big deal out of it. that makes things look worse. if you keep trying to interrupt. it becomes such a problem. wait your turn. >> any senator that you have in mind? oh, senator. i think i gave it away. >> i guess we have to go. all right. greg, we'll see you a little later this hour. a quick reminder, that kimberly and i will be joining greg live tomorrow, saturday and monday. next, we'll answer your questions on tonight's debate. don't go away. announcer: a horrific terror attack in paris. then, a brutal act of terror here at home. it's time for a tested and proven leader who won't try to contain isis. jeb bush has a plan... to destroy them. and keep america safe. jeb bush: the united states should not delay in leading a global coalition to take out isis with overwhelming force. announcer: tested and proven leadership matters. jeb bush. right to rise usa is responsible for the content of this message. it's twitter thursday. do you know what that means? it's time to answer your questions for us. and i've got them here. oh, yeah. are you feeling lucky? i am a going to read your question? maybe, perhaps. question from eb cook. explain the significance of iowa since it has been proven that a candidate doesn't have to win iowa to get the nomination nor elected. juan? >> you're right. you don't have to. but this is kind of jimmy carter's legacy. since jimmy carter decided to spend a lot of time there. make a name for himself with the media and win, that everybody thinks, oh, that's what you've got to do. as a result, media, donors and politicians think iowa is, i don't know if it is, maybe it is the pig's oink. >> oh, yeah. the queen might have been nominated. >> they usually say their three tickets out of iowa that get you to new hampshire. it doesn't always turn out that way. santorum would probably disagree. everyone tauks about iowa and new hampshire. the most important one i think is south carolina which happens on saturday, february 20th. ever since 1980, only once have they not been the determining state for the republican nominee. so i think south carolina is the real state on watch. >> that's the hot one and that is your state. all right. mr. bolling. question from joshua kelly. if you were running and only had a few percentage points in the polls, would you stay in this long? is it an ego thing for some? >> i don't know why they do stay in this long other than they want to be picked as the vice president. they want to be picked on the ticket. for someone like john kasich who comes from ohio, an important state. it makes sense for him to stay in. the guys from florida, it makes sense. other than that, i'm not sure why they stay. remember, new hampshire, a lot of people are not even paying attention. they have all their marbles in new hampshire. >> so can i be a little mean here? >> go ahead. >> if you're on the earlier debate stage with, i don't know, they go from 1% to 3 or 4%. >> it won't happen. >> you can raise your speaking fee. your appearance fee yurg book deal. >> i was being nice. you're being meaner than i was. >> i think the first debate will be excellent. people will be very heavy on substance like carly fiorina, and jim gilmore, welcome to the party. who drops out after iowa and new hampshire? >> i don't think anyone is dropping out after iowa. i think after new hampshire, if you're an establishment guy and you don't do well. if you're a christie. i won't say jeb. if you're a christie and you are not performing in either of those states. especially new hampshire where there are a lot of establishment votes. going on south carolina a loser where you'll get slaughtered again by more conservatives. i think it is time to go. >> anyone else? >> then you have the opportunity to throw your name and your weight and your supporters behind whoever you decide to choose. >> do you realize that through iowa, new hampshire, there are only maybe 100 or so delegates total that will commit? and on super tuesday, there are 600? so we put all the eggs in the iowa/new hampshire basket. tuesday is when it is made or broken. >> first impressions count. politics count because the donors are paying attention. may i double back to you? >> sure. >> question from gary. what is a more important factor in iowa? likability or green with a candidate on the issues. >> they have to feel like they know you. that's the thing about iowa. you really get to meet the candidates, you shake their hands. you can walk in and there's a candidate. i remember meeting rick santorum. it was off the highway. there's rick. hey, rick! >> like for you and me in new york, we can't imagine a politician would be that available. >> they're available. believe me. >> i agree. there would be four or five candidates on the stage with almost identical policy stands. >> 99, can you imagine? going to 99 of them? >> you're having like, i think chris christie had something like ten town halls in three counties in an afternoon or something. >> then iowa, too. working hard. dana, this is one of your favorite questions. this is from boone rogers. what will your number one argument be against hrc to completely destroy her in the general election? okay. i adlibed that part. >> trust worthiness and likability. i believe if her unfavorable numbers can get to about 60% in the key swing states like if colorado, that she is beatable. that has to happen. >> i would say she is a corrupt liar who cannot be trusted and she will continue to do what president obama has done to this country. >> and because benghazi lives matter. >> i'll kind of good at this. i decided. a little break from national security. what about juan? advice to beat hillary. tell truth. >> tell the truth? i would say go look at the future and talk about this as a campaign for the future. we don't want to look backward. >> like bernie. >> i didn't say it. >> bolling, how do you do her in? then mama's got to go. >> you just point out the clinton foundation corruption that's going on that is so obvious to everyone except the clinton voters. >> and that's a wrap. thank you, twitter that voters. head over to foxnews.com for the postgame analysis. you can see some of your favorite numbers. at 8:00 p.m. and again at 11:00 p.m. eastern. up next, a major debate drama in the debate race. much more coming up. my moderate to severe chronic plaque psoriasis made a simple trip to the grocery store anything but simple. so finally, i had an important conversation with my dermatologist about humira. he explained that humira works inside my body to target and help block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to my symptoms. in clinical trials, most adults saw 75% skin clearance. and the majority were clear or almost clear in just 4 months. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. ask your dermatologist about humira. because with humira clearer skin is possible. the democratic race is dead locked in iowa. one poll shows bernie sanders ahead by 3 points. both camps engaged in fiery debates over debates. clinton wanls to take part in an unsanctioned one in new hampshire next week shelf call on sanders to get on board. >> what i am through my campaign is, i would look forward to another debate. i am anxious if we can get something set up to be able to be there so let's try to make it happen. i'm ready for the debate and i hear senator sanders will change his mind and join us. and i think they can work this out. >> he will agree but only if hillary agrees later on. the only reason her team was willing to agree to unsanctioned debates was, quote, the hide hillary plan back fired. the dynamics have change and not sanders has significant momentum. >> the only thing worse than hearing hillary on tv is hearing her on radio. that voice is absolutely annoying. i think the race is tightening. not because hillary has been hiding. i think people have seen her and they don't like what they see. every time she's out in public the numbers go down. for hillary, all of a sudden, change her campaign strategy last second makes her look like she's scrambling. it doesn't make her look like the front returner shelf shouldn't want to do more debates. i think sanders is starting to turn up the heat. he is going after her from the left and handling punches. if write her, i would wait it out. survive the loss in new hampshire. then you get to south carolina and some of the other be states. she starts the momentum. she is doing it all wrong. >> what are you saying? is it time for bernie, even apart from the debates to start running tougher more confrontational ads? >> i've never known why he didn't want to attack her on her most vulnerable point. however, he is up by a lot in new hampshire. he is the front-runner there. and front-runners never like to debate. especially in the last few days before the election, right? so i would also say, look how they're circling the wagons on the democratic side. i read all the columns every morning, the columnists all going after bernie sanders. even saying his tax reform would cost too much money. all of a sudden the liberal columnists are circling the wagons to try defend hillary. i think they're worried. >> here was a surprise for me if i was doing my dana perino and reading the payments. there is a republican running against bernie sanders in iowa. >> can i stay on her? >> sure. go right ahead. >> he has got her dead to the wall right now. what she did over the last two days is unbelievable. bernie sanders is knocking on doors, shaking handles in iowa. hillary clinton last night was in philadelphia with a group called franklin square capital. it is a hedge fund. it is a wall street firm. 310 people raised, i don't know, maybe a couple hundred thousand bucks. today she is in new york doing the same thing. raising money. shaking hands with wall street ties. and bernie sanders has been saying about her that she is tied to wall street. and she said no, i'm not. if you don't use last night and today as an example. go to the clinton foundation. wall street, wall street, wall street. he has her. he should stay on this track. it is working for him. especially when he is in iowa shaking hands. >> any connection to wall street. bernie sanders is legitimately -- >> quickly, come back to my queson. here you have on wall street guy. he is in chicago. a big investment banker running ads against bernie sanders in iowa. >> no opinion. >> who cares about that? she has to feel bern, okay? finish her off. >> i play to win. i would get after it. >> the reason she's probably doing these fund-raisers. she probably took bernie sanders a little too lightly. she is filling up the war chest. she may need it down the road. >> remember, bernie has convery well in fundraising. he is terrific on fundraising. do you know what? >> small donors. >> hit her on the e-mails. >> guess who is the front-runner in new hampshire? it's bernie. today is the 30th anniversary of the "challenger" disaster. it was a dark day in history but a day that ended up uniting the country. what kit teach us about uniting a nation. next. hi i'm heather cox on location with the famous, big idaho potato truck. our truck? it's touring across america telling people about idaho potatoes. farmer: let's go boy. again this year the big idaho potato truck is traveling the country spreading the word about heart healthy idaho potatoes and making donations to local charities. excuse me miss, have you seen our truck? 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instead, the idea of unity, whether through grief or joy seems as fleeting as an explosion in the sky. the "challenger," three decades agoer it went up in one piece and came back down in many. i call that a metaphor for today as a country prepares for another debate, a coming caucus and a looming general election. it is good to remind ourselves that it is better to come together than it is to break apart. >> i want to go to you, juan, first. it happen in 1986. you were probably in your mid 30s so you remember it well. the incredible thing about this was, it happened live on television. and we were all watching it. we were not even sure what was happening. we knew it wasn't a good thing. >> i really liked what you had to say. i think it really spoke to what's going on in the country right now. so i guess i was 32 years old. and i was in the "washington post" newsroom. and we were all watching it. because christa mcauliffe who was the teacher on it, had competed and won among 11,000 other teachers to be on that flight. and the idea that her students were so excited. students all over the country were excited. had the nation excited as one. as you were pointing out. we were excited that it was taking off. and someone who was a civilian, someone like you and me was getting to travel to outer space. it seemed so unbelievable. then in that moment, in the middle of the newsroom. all these news people. you could see the perplex at this. what's going on? is that right? did it blow up? nobody could believe it. and of course, the other thing that stands out was ronald reagan. and what he had to say afterwards when he talked about, you know, slipping the bonds of earth. quoting the bible. just so pro found and so perfect. >> we talked about this a lot on "the five." about how social networks have changed the way we express our emotions and our grief. do you think that we have become more shallow or superficial when dealing with tragedies? we don't dwell on them ordeal with them personally? instead we go online and express a comment. >> do you remember when the paris attacks happened from a few months ago. when people were operaffering t prayers. they were mocked for offering prayers on social media. so yerg things have changed. an interesting thing about the speech ronald reagan gave that day. he was scheduled to give a state of the union writer. there was a young speech writer, peggy noonan, who just wrote a book this year call time of our lives. the first column of her work was this lecture she gave in talking about the wrifgt speech. and that was how they bonded. they were all finished writing the state of union. out of the corner of her eye she saw what happened on cnn and she knew the president would need something shelf didn't know that he would know the quote that he used at the end of that speech. but did it speak to how a president can lead nation. and i remember it very well from my childhood, juan. >> i remember being in a bedroom in college watching this on a terrible television. do you remember where you were? >> i was at home. and i remember seeing it in utter shock. the excitement of when it took off and watching it. and it broke apart. and maybe that's one of those booster rockets falling apart. and wasn't. when it started to break into more pieces and the commentators telling what was going. on it reminds us, let's talk about the positive of this. after that, there was, of course, a time of mourning. then americans are resillen. he with got up and we made bigger, better safer exploration going forward. and it reminds to you when the country was founded. basically people on the east coast. they came here and decided to find out what was west. a lot of people died going west will not knowing what they would final. they found animals, native-americans, weather. disease, insects, everything. they died massively but they pushed forward and we did too and we have a lot of innovation that came because of the aftermath of that. and christa mcauliffe and the other six can be credited. >> i guess hit to do with the seal. amazing how something so small. what you would think would be a marginal thing could led to this. >> can have such catastrophic results. >> that's why it is so important to check these things out very careful carefully. i'm very proud to live in a nation where people like the crew of the "challenger" will put their lives on the line to make a better future and a better world for all of us. so take a moment today and remember the sacrifices they have made. >> i'm not sure, jesse, were you even born? >> second grade. thank you. >> i do remember. it was a horrible tragedy, unfortunately it takes tragedy to unite this country and space floridaation is so significant. we are pioneers. we're curious and innovative. when you talk about going into space. you're not sending a black guy or a white guy or a christian or a woman. you're sending an american and they're recommending the stars and stripes. so you feel like everybody died. when there is a success, like when there is a man on the moon, it ignites the country. i would love to have something to unite behind. all right, greg. have fun at the debate tonight. one more thing is next. for over 850 miles. my men driven nearly mad from starvation and frostbite. today we make history. >>bienvenidos! welcome to the south pole! if you're dora the explorer, you explore. it's what you do. >>what took you so long? if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. >>you did it, yay! the access informationlows us to from anywhere. the microsoft cloud allows us to scale up. microsoft cloud changes our world dramatically. it wasn't too long ago it would take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome. now, we can do a hundred per day. with the microsoft cloud we don't have to build server rooms. we have instant scale. the microsoft cloud is helping us to re-build and re-interpret our business. this cloud helps transform business. this is the microsoft cloud. lots of vitamins a&c, and, only 50 calories a serving... good morning, indeed. v8. veggies for all. time for one more thing. >> on wednesday, during the pope's general audience, held every week, suddenly vatican square was transformed into a circus. there was a circus in town. the pope, not only did he sit there. afterward, he got up and he started talking about the beauty of acrobats and talk about how beauty is good for the soul. he said beauty brings us closer to god. but behind the spectacle, how many hours of training and honor of these athletes. go, pope, go! >> thank you. so we have a new baby, we do. not "the five" but gerber has new baby. seven months old. from troy, michigan. just won the gerber baby contest. her picture was picked from more than 170,000 entries by a panel of judges. they look for key gerber like features, such as happiness and expressiveness. so she nailed it. so did her parents. this athletic get $50,000 in prize money. >> and now ultra bonita. >> campaign carl gave me an idea. to talk about things other than the evangelical who's live in the state. i call one of my favorite iowans. a tim things you should know. iowa is called the sill cone prairie. it is a lot lower cost of living and there is a lot of excellent opportunities there. especially in bioengineering. the 15th largest concentration of biotech countries in the nation. if you're to get into that field, you can go there. it is fifth in soybean production. the highest literacy rate in the nation. 99%. and iowa native, was the first female lawyer in the united states. >> i love it. i'm going to my homeland. >> all right. jesse? >> so what is everybody going to be doing saturday night at 10:00? we know dana will be at some library thinking about biotech. kimberly will be drinking. >> and dancing. >> but everybody else, watters' world. i'll be at the beach. >> popping a collar. >> before we go. one more reminder. we're going to drop into des moines, iowa. friday, tomorrow, january 29th. we'll have the show there. another brand new live show. saturday at 5:00, january thrthre30 ths. and then in the middle of the caucuses. that's it for us. we'll see you all tomorrow night. live from iowa, until then, "special report" coming up right now. i'm bret baier and this is "special report" live from des moines. in less than an hour, the final debates before the iowa caucuses begin. they are in he is egs the closing arguments. the republican presidential contenters make their final pitches to the voters before the first voting of the 2016 campaign. in the next hour we'll check in on the candidates. what they're doing in their last-minute preparations. we'll take you behind the scenes and get a preview of the main event. with megyn kelly and chris wallace.