launched. but it s lew wasserman. c-span: who s jules stein? guest: jules stein started the music corporation of america, a band-booking agency, in chicago in 1924, in al capone s chicago. and it was from that company that, eventually, wasserman was launched. c-span: because this is a political network, the first thing i want to connect is that katrina vanden heuvel is his granddaughter. guest: is jules stein s granddaughter, yes. c-span: and he s with the nation, and the editor and all that. guest: right. c-span: was jules stein was a republican. guest: a right-wing republican. c-span: well, explain all that connection in the and how does you know, where does the vanden heuvel come in in all this? guest: well, jules had two daughters, jean and susan. and jean is the mother of jean stein is the mother of katrina. and jean was always her politics were always different than her father s, and it was a source of great friction between then. and i mean, jul