in heiglight of the fact that everything you just said donald trump said wasn't going to happen. it is the most under-reported story related to the campaign but not directly in the campaign. each day we see something new that was kind of unimaginable weeks ago. >> he says the u.s. military is a disaster, that operation is a disaster, he half believes that mosul is part of syria. >> thank you, rachel. today, the wife of the biggest cyber bully in the world said that if you make her first lady of the united states, she will work hard to stop cyber bullying. annemarie cox will join us with her reaction to melania trump's speech today. but first, we have a new electoral college projection. and that projection indicates that the next president of the united states will not have a first lady. >> this isn't a joke.
this isn't survivor. this isn't the bachelorette. this counts. >> say whoa. >> if donald trump were to win this election, we would have a commander in chief who is completely out of his depth. >> ah, this and that, oh, give me a break. >> donald trump is temperamentally unfit. >> best thing i have is my temperament. >> now he knows we can see and hear him, right? >> i think the gig is up. >> we have to find a better way to talk to each other. to respect each other. >> these people are stupid. they're stupid people. >> come on, man! >> i promise you, i will never enter a bicycle race. >> stay on point, donald, stay on point. >> we need to teach our youth american values. kindness. honesty, respect. >> stupid people, remember that. >> sometimes the tentation is to tune it out, and you want to
just focus on the cubs winning the world series. [cheers and applause] >> and who knows, maybe we'll see even more history made in a few days. >> this is the last word on campaign 2016. >> with just four campaign days left now before the presidential election, american voters have probably already decided who the next president of the united states will be. most of the models repeatedly used to predict the winner are predicting a win for hillary clinton. on this program, we presented the moody's analytics model this week that uses economic factors as well as political factors to predict a winner. that shows hillary clinton winning 332 electoral votes to donald trump's 206 electoral votes. larry sabato, the director of the university of virginia center for politics is now ready with his numbers. joining us now, larry sabato.
this is not your final projection, because, there's a couple is states you're still thinking about, but give us your count as of tonight. >> yes, lawrence, we'll update on monday, but right now we think that clinton has 293 electoral votes. she will, we believe, win nevada, despite some of the late polling that has her behind there. we think she's ahead in north carolina. and as long as democrats can manage to get out more the african-american vote, and they're working hard on that, she will win north carolina. our big toss-up, in fact the only toss-up state is florida. you could argue new hampshire is a toss-up state. there are only four electoral votes there and 29 in florida. florida has flummoxed us so far. but 293 is a respectable total. if she wins florida, she'll go
clinton among latinos, latino decisions have excellent new data on this showing that clinton is getting a larger percentage of latinos than brau barack obama did. he got 21%. she's getting 79%, donald trump is in the teens. gee, i wonder why. that is a big, big gain for hillary clinton. the electorate's never static, and different pieces move in different directions every four years, but over all, i think people who are saying hillary clinton is collapsing and the blue wall is falling, you know, it's chicken little all over again. >> and quickly, larry on the senate, if hillary clinton, if your projection's right, hillary clinton's going to be the next president. is she going to be able to get a supreme court nominee through the next united states senate? >> well, she needs, she needs 50 democratic senators plus tim
donald trump's temperament. >> i'm also honored to have the greatest temperament that anybody has, because we know how to win. she spends $1 billion. she spends so much money, i see these ads. people that know me, say how can they say that? you know, we have a temperament, we have a certain temperament. it's a temperament of knowing how to win. >> donald stood on a stage and said, and i quote, i'm honored to have the greatest temperament that anyone's ever had. now he, he knows we can see and hear him, right? this is someone who at another rally yesterday actually said out loud to himself, stay on point, donald. stay on point. his campaign probably put that in the teleprompter. stay on point, donald, stay on point. >> and joining the discussion
now, elysse jordan. former adviser to rand paul's presidential campaign. and also with us, steve mcmahon, a democratic strategist and the ceo and co-founder of purple strategies. elysse, it still seems for the clinton campaign, the best material for hillary clinton every day is whatever donald trump just said. >> that's why this week has been damaging to her. so much attention has been focussed on the fbi and the e-mail server. if she can get back to pointing out to what ridiculous things donald trump is saying, his message the entire campaign, she's in much firmer, better territory. >> steve mcmahon, you've been, i was going to say you've been in campaigns like this. i take it back. no one's ever been in a campaign like this. but you've certainly been there where there's four campaign days left. obviously hillary clinton likes keeping the focus on what donald
funny to basically not pay somebody who's done work for him and say go ahead and sue me, because i've got more money than you and you can't do anything about it. >> larry sabato, is that approach based on voter analysis, that that is what is working with voters? talking about donald trump's temperament and character? >> oh, absolutely. this has come through for months, even before the conventions. and it's just as true today as it was then. the two big factors, they don't think he has the temperament to sit in the oval office and make critical decisions, and they don't think he's qualified in terms of experience and background, to deal with complex public policy issues. the more those two things can be stressed, the better for democrats, and president obama had a marvelous term there. uniquely unqualified. and, again, i think most people would agree with that, just based on the facts.
>> all right, let's look at the latest clinton campaign ad that goes straight at this. ♪ >> i'd look her right in that fat, ugly face of hers. >> he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people who weren't captur captured, okay? you got to look at this guy, oh, i don't remember. i would bomb the [ bleep ] out of them. i love war in a certain way. >> elysse, i think about people like you and steve wishing you could be in the room working on ads against donald trump, because they just serve up the, donald trump serves up that material. >> it is a gift that keeps giving when it comes to ads. but back to this temperament issue that we're talking about and how clinton and president obama are trying to stress this on the campaign trail this week,
out of all the focus groups that i've sat in during this campaign season, temperament was the absolute, number one issue that undecided voters mentioned when it came to pulling the trigger for donald trump. they're simply worried not only what he would do domestically been internationally, it's okay if he's a wrecking ball domestically, but internationally, they are really concerned. so this is definitely her closing argument. >> so steve mcmahon, never mind the supreme court in the last four days of the campaign, would you suggest they ignore issues, just go straight at donald trump the character? >> absolutely. she's got a 40 or 45-point edge on this trait which voters think is very important to a president, and i've sat in focus groups too and saw the same thing. voters are very worried about donald trump. they sort of like that he wants to change washington, they would like a change and broken glass
there, but they don't want that in the middle east or places where it's dangerous and scary. they want a balanced, experienced leader who's not going to get us into a war. >> steve mcmahon, elysse jordan, larry sabato, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. coming up, melania trump's speech today was accompanied by the most inappropriate music ever used by the trump campaign or any campaign in the history of campaigns. in the history of music. annemarie cox will give us her take on that speech. and former speechwriter for president george w. bush david from will join us to explain why he voted today for hillary clinton for president. one of millions of orders on this company's servers. accessible by thousands of suppliers and employees globally. but with cyber threats on the rise,
today, the microphone, i should say, but it was not for that press conference that donald trump promised since weeks ago in which melania trump would produce all her immigration records and prove to us her legality. instead, it was a speech accompanied by the most inappropriate music in the history of the campaign. annemarie cox will join us next and we'll bring you some of that speech. well this here's a load-bearing wall. we'll go ahead and rip that out. that'll cause a lot of problems. hmm. totally unnecessary and it triples the budget. we'll be totally behind schedule, right? (laughschedules. schedules. great, okay. wouldn't it be great if everyone said what they meant?
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♪ ♪ aquarius ♪ aquarius ♪ sympathy and trust abounding >> okay, that was weird. that is the most inappropriate piece of introductory music ever used at a campaign event. the last line of the lyric you just heard, "sympathy and trust abounding ". and then, for some inexplicable reason, the lyrics stop, the music continues, but the lyrics aren't there. they just stop. and the very next line, the lyrics that just don't happen, the next line is "no more falsehoods or derisions."
now it just can't be possible that the trump campaign, the campaign of falsehoods and derisions, was self-aware enough to realize that they just couldn't play that lyric today. it couldn't be that, because if the trump campaign was so self-aware, then they would never have chosen a hit song from the 1968 broadway musical "hair." it was the first nude musical. for the most part, they were dressed in the hippy costuming of the day. it was a story of dropping out, and dropping acid and free love and celebration of the hippy lifestyle. aimed at donald trump's age, graduated a month after "hair " opened on fraud way, but it definitely wa lly wasn't donalds kind of show. it was about, as the lyrics said, harmony and understanding,
sympathy and trust abounding. no more falsehoods or derisions. golden living dreams of visions mystic crystal revelation and the mind's true liberation. the music and the cultural world of people graduating from college in 1968 in donald trump's year, that year was deaf identified between the hippies singing about love and understanding and the mind's true revelation and elvis, unrepentant, 1950s rock and roll. so melania trump made her entrance to a song that stands against everything the trump campaign stands for. no more falsehoods or derisions. and oddly, melania trump's speech was about falsehoods and derisions. making her the first trump ever
to take a stand against falsehoods and derisions. >> as we know, now social media is a centerpiece of our lives. it can be a useful tool for connection and communication. it can ease isolation that so many people feel in the modern world. technology has changed our universe. but, like anything that is powerful, it can have a bad side. we have seen this already. as adults, many of us are able to handle mean words, even lies. children and teenagers can be fragile. they are hurt when they are made fun of or made to feel less in looks or intelligence. this makes their life hard and can force them to hide and
retreat. our culture has gotten too mean and too rough. especially to children and teenagers. >> made to feel less in looks and intelligence. so, the wife of the world's biggest, wildest, most out of control cyber bully, wants to assume the position of first lady so she can stop cyber bullying. no. this is not a self-aware campaign. four years ago, melania trump's husband tweeted this. cher, i don't wear a rug, it's mine, and i promise not to talk about your massive plastic surgeries that didn't work. melania trump's husband also tweeted this, ariana huffington is unattractive both yinside an out. i understand why her husband left her for a man. and he made a comment on the
fact that women were serving in the military. 26,000 unreported sexual assaults in the military, on only 238 convictions. what did these geniuses expect? how much money is the extremely unattractive both inside and out, ariana huffington paying her ex-husband for the use of his name. if hillary clinton can't satisfy her husband, what makes her think she can satisfy america. donald trump has tweeted that megyn kelly is a bimbo, attacked bette midler's attractiveness on twitter and said utterly poisonous things about rosie o'donnell, time and time again here, and i was the person donald trump threatened to sue
on twitter, he's attacked this show, saying it's unwatchable and first predicted the cancellation of this show five years ago, it was going to happen at any moment back then. also on twitter, donald trump has called me a poor journalist, stupid, a very dumb guy, the dumbest political commentator on television and the dumbest man on tv. today donald trump tweeted about watching his wife's speech, but he didn't say anything, anything about her condemnation of cyber bullying. joining us now, annemarie cox, senior political news correspondent for mtv news. i was looking at the trump hits on me, i have to confess, all of which made me laugh. and i thought he never goes after guys' looks. he only does the looks thing with women. and then i found this one. lawrence, this is from several years ago. lawrence will soon be off tv, bad ratings, he has a face made
for radio. so he has gone after, at least one guy, on looks. >> yeah, he's mocked krischri c too. he does save his real venom for women. that is true. and, you know, so i was working under a theory for a while that melania was an silon, because she has that weird thing where her eyes go back and forth, and she looks somewhat alien. but an android's circuits would fry, only a truly delusional human being could give a speech like she gave and survive it. a computer couldn't handle it. you've shown a hlot of the iron. but to go a step further beyond
trump himself doing the bullying, what about attacking people of the jewish faith who have covered him and they've sent people into hiding and remember the journalist that wrote a profile of melania and was deluged with anti-semitic remark, and the campaign and melania herself refused to say anything about it. >> it's one of those speeches where it makes you wonder, do these people ever talk to each other. it was all that portion of it was well-written. those were all good ideas, very well-considered stuff. but donald trump is just the most glaring, you know, violator of everything melania trump talked about today. >> right, you know, i always thought it was a little bit a shade that laura bush chose literacy as her cause when bush was president. i thought that was pretty
clever. but this is at another level. if this is self-aware subtweeting, it's like sticking the knife in. i don't, you know, it's hard to critique, you know, the families, right? i think everyone wants to not go to hard on the families of candidates. you know, a lot of us say things like this person didn't sign up for th. but i've been thinking. we don't know what melania signed up for. trump has said there's a prenuptial agreement. i imagine it's pretty long. she literally signed up for this. >> she definitely did literally sign something. i think when the families are trying to elect the most dangerous candidate in the history of the country, we've got a whole set of what's relevant and what isn't. >> and when she's trying to make the argument that somehow the donald that she knows is different than the one we know, we've seen no evidence of that. this is a case where we actually
have evidence of what he's like when he doesn't think the cameras are on, right? and it's pretty consistent, actually. like that's the thing that's sort of amazing, right? there's no hidden depths to hem. there's no other side of donald trump. hi like he's exactly the jerk you think he is. >> and what matters is who a president is going to be publicly. this is who he is publicly. >> and the temperament argument that all the hillary surrogates is making is a powerful one. we'd like to live in a country where we're having our des agreements about policy, but in the end, it really is about temperament when we elect a president, because there's not going to be, we can't predict every policy problem that comes forward. we can't predict everything that will happen in the world. at some point, it will be the president at his or her desk making the decision about
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when republican governor and former candidate john kasich voted in the battle ground state of ohio, he ducked the real choice of hillary clinton versus donald trump for president. governor kasich could not bring himself to vote for donald trump, and he couldn't bring himself to vote for hillary clinton, so he wrote in a vote for john mccain. david from accepted the real choice and announced today that he voted for hillary clinton. he wrote in an oped for the flaentsic, i have no illusions about hillary clinton. she is a patriot and will uphold the sovereignty of the united states. why didn't you write in john mccain? and what do you say to republicans who are thinking about writing in john mccain or something else? >> well, i wrote, the article i wrote for the atlantic
immediately before made the best case i could from a conservative point of view for donald trump, hillary clinton and a protest candidate. i feel like you have to face your choices. the absentee ballot which i septembe sent, stayed in my box about four days. >> when did you send it? >> about a week ago. but i would say, i'm not one who is greatly swayed by endorsements, but vladimir putin's, that cut a lot of weight with me. >> that would be the thing in the end that weighed the heaviest on you, which one does vladimir putin really want? >> the first is, i do think we are seeing an attempt to manipulate an american election by an unfriendly foreign power,
and it's really important that that unfriendly power get the strongest signal that this isn't acceptable. in the second thing, i do think hillary clinton, i mean, clintons, i've got a lot of critiques of the clinton foundation. i do think they bend the law. but hillary clinton accepts the concept of legality, she accepts that courts are asupreme and hls should be followed. and those pay sibasic rules. the system that we have is one that protects my rights under a president i don't approve of and tomorrow will do the same for you. and what people have in common is their commitment to those shared rules. and if you have a challenger to show shar those shearared rules, that's
unacceptable. >> are you having conversations with a number of your republican friends who are having the same problem that you are? >> there are a lot of shy clinton voters. i know marriages where they're both republicans, but women find this an easier step than the men do. i know a lot of republicans making a protest vote, and i don't complain about that. there are people who say my vote an expression and people who say my vote an instrument. i believe it is an instrument, not an expression. >> thank you very much. coming up, trump campaign is worried about getting out to vote, but are they telling the truth about that? that's in tonight's war room wi with mike murphy. [ piercing sound ]
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septembersent an e-mail to supporters this week asking them for money pause, we are currently executing a highly costly early voting push and get out to vote operation to ensure identified trump voters make it to the polls before election day. and this picture was tweeted with this caption, expensive early vote and get out to vote operation. that clearly doesn't exist. what grifters, con man. with four days left for the presidential war rooms, joining us tonight is mike murphy, republican campaign strategist and the host of the pod cast, radio free gop. so i have friends getting these trump e-mails, begging for money. this one you say is more fraud length thfraudu lent than most, because there isn't even a get out to vote
push? >> i'm the sheriff of corrupt town. but this one was particularly egregious. you can argue, there's a fig leaf. it's the joint fund raising committee between the rnc, and they do do generic things, but the e-mail implies, the technique they use is from kellyanne conway, and the idea they need money for this big tv system, which the campaign doesn't have. the rnc has some of it, that's why they'd argue there was a whip of truth. it was misleading. make a trump appeal. that's fine, but let's not pretend there's somet that doesn't exis >> it still cracks me up that the guy is asking for money. why ask for money? why not pump all that trump money that was supposed to come in. >> that's a promise we heard for a long time.
and he's put some money in, but not nearly what he said he would, but that's no surprise with trump. >> he will end up spending less than mike bloomberg did to get elected mayor of new york city. here's the count on field offices. hillary clinton has more field offices in 41 states, chug in every battleground state than donald trump has. here are the states where donald trump has more field offices han hillary clinton. arizona, south dakota, arkansas and mississippi. and arizona's the only one of those that's even in play. >> yeah, there's no trump field operation by real campaign standards. there's generic stuff the rnc is doing to help congressional races. but trump is doing none of the enhanced things that a normal presidential campaign would do. they're doing much of anything that a normal presidential
campaign would do. there's no real serious policy staff. the list goes on and on. trump is like the ice kcapades. it is this concert tour, and we'll see how that pays off on election day. i think with all the noise about how it's too close to call and all that, i'm making bets, i think trump's going down. >> walk us through your bet. on election night, which chips do you expect to see falling on the east coast? do you think in the early closings we'll see florida go for hillary clinton? >> i actually believe hillary is going to carry florida. i could be wrong, but even if trump wins ohio where he's a little stronger than florida and loses florida, let's give him both. and even if he were to win north carolina which has more republican proclivitieproclivit still has to make it up other places i don't think he can. i don't think he's going to poll
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normally you get 95% when you win. i think trump's republican number will be in the 80 s somewhere. so one of his many problems is, not all these republican votes by registration are actually trump votes. i don't know if it will be 28 to hillary, but i wouldn't be surprised if it's in the high teens, which is twice what it should be in a winning republican model. >> mike murphy, it's great to get your last word on this campaign as we approach tuesday, really appreciate. thanks, mike. >> thanks, lawrence. coming up next, the lawyer who fought the voter i.d. law in north carolina. indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea!♪ here's pepto bismol! ah. ♪nausea, heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea!♪ why don't you let me... and me... help you out?
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they say some 6,700 people have been purged. a federal judge reinstated those purged voters' rights, calling the way that they were removed, quote, insane. that was the judge's word. insane. and the judge said it was out of the jim crow era. while democratic turnout for early voting is outpacing republican turnout in north carolina so far, black voter turnout is down 16% from 2012 and some activists say that that is due to that kind of voter suppression. the justice department plans to monitor voting in four counties in north carolina next tuesday. joining us now, penda haire. can you tell me what the judgment found to be insane?
i've heard a lot of judges speaking and writing from the bench. that's a word you don't hear very often. >> let me say first, lawrence, that the judge has not yet issued her final decision, but she did make some comments from the bench. what she found to be insane was that private people mailed pieces of mail to voters in the county, and then they took returned mail to the county and asked the county board of elections to purge those voters from the roles. and the counties actually did so on the behest of these private vigilantes. and more than 400 voters were purged in one county, and over 60 in another county, and in the larger county, it was thousands of voters who were purged. and a lot of this was done right up until election day. . there's another hearing to purge more voters on monday in one of these counties.
>> current polling shows hillary clinton leading donald trump 47-44 in north carolina. let's listen to the way president obama described this situation. >> grace bell lived in belhaven north carolina her entire life. all 100 years of her life. just a few weeks ago republicans challenged her voter registration status. and tried to remove her from the voter rolls. now grace got her voter regge administration reinstated. and you better believe she's going to vote. but this 100-year old woman wasn't alone in being targeted. the list was two-thirds black and democratic. that didn't happen by accident. >> and is that a pretty fair description of what's going on? >> yes. mrs. grace bell harditsson plai
brought. she's voted 23 elections in a role and was at risk of being purged. she got the challenge withdrawn after the north carolina naacp learned about her sorry and made it public. and many, many others in her county are not so lucky and are still subject to having their vote taken away unless the federal judge rules, which we believe will happen fairly quickly. >> if someone has trouble voting in north carolina, what should they do? >> well, they should insist on voting. and if the election officials will not give them a regular ballot, they should ask for a provisional ballot and make sure they are given the provisional ballot. and then after the election, the
the wall. >> i believe mexico will pay for the wall. i have a good relationship with mexico. we're negotiating nafta. in some form mexico will pay for the wall. >> but mexico will not pay for the wall and that is why the american government is on the verge of a shutdown. donald trump humiliated himself to everyone with a high school level understanding of government when he first said mexico will pay for the wall. and then he got personally humiliated on the telephone with the president of mexico when the president of mexico told him he would not pay for the wall. to which the president of the united states said, you cannot say that to the press. if you are going to say that, mexico is not going to pay for the wall, then i do not want to meet with you guys anymore, because i cannot live with that. there was the great negotiator the trump voters put in the white house. the great tough guy the trump
country that kind of power. what if his campaign speech had been, we will build a wall and i will force the democrats in congress to pay for that wall with your tax dollars or i will shut down the congress. today the president tweeted this, we need the wall for the safety and security of our country. we need the wall to help stop the massive inflow of drugs dpr mexico, now rated number one most dangerous country in the world. if there is no wall, there is no deal. and here we are tonight because the president failed to get mexico to pay for the wall. the senate began debating tonight a bill passed by the house today that would continue funding the government until february 16th. it would extend the children's health insurance program for six years, something that democrats want. that provision was obviously attached to the bill in the hope
of tragicing democrat votes but only six democrats voted for the bill today. joining us sam stien, daniel dale is also with us. adam, how do you see this play unfolding on the senate floor tonight? >> one of the things you're seeing tonight is more manipulation by mitch mcconnell because one of the secrets of the senate is it can move very fast when it wants to. the bill that came over from the house could be voted on tonight. but they're trying to show they can defeat it and leave another day in negotiations. and a day in negotiation terms, especially this close to a deadline is eons. so mitch mcconnell is preventing a vote from happening.
he's trying to hold the vote open till tomorrow because he thinks it will put more pressure on them. this is a manufactured shutdown by the republicans. >> here is the most extraordinary thing i have ever heard a senate leader say in a situation like this. here's mitch mcconnell saying tonight on the senate floor that he does not know what the president wants. let's listen to this. >> the presidency, under our constitutional system is not irrelevant. he's the person who signs things into law. and for most of us in the house and senate on the republican side, we're interested in what his views are. and those have not been made fully apparent yet. >> that's a moment we have never seen in a situation like this before. >> and we've never seen a president have an affair with a porn star either. so these are weeks and days of firsts, i suppose.
but it is presenting a few interesting and difficult quandaries for lawmakers on the hill. this morning the president tweeted that he didn't want a six year c.h.i.p. extension, which was news to everyone in washington d.c. because that's what the republican strategy has been and is for funding the government. what we were reporting today is that it threw things momentarily into utter chaos on the hill. where republicans are to check if the bill they were attaching the entire government funding operation to would end up being vetoed by the president. that's a peculiar thing to have to inquire about 48 hours before the government shuts down. so he's creating a lot of problems for the process and it doesn't make mitch mcconnell's life easier or chuck schumer's life easier.
because this started he met with nancy pelosi and president trump and had a daca deal but that was rescinded shortly thereafter. >> does the white house believe that donald trump flying to florida tomorrow, getting out of town, will somehow absolve him of any blame for the government shutdown. >> i think the white house knows donald trump wants to go to florida, and they let him do what he wants, they let him have his two scoops of ice cream and let him go to florida when he wants to do that. i think it's clear regardless of who's to blame for this issue, the president will be blamed. he has unified control of the government. the president gets blamed when it's not his fault. i think what's interesting here, is trump has surrendered some of his leverage in making the case himself for d.r.e.a.m.ers so do
democrats want to shut down the government for ill leem immigration? trump has made it that d.r.e.a.m.ers should be treated with heart. so i don't know if the primary argument is going to work for them the way the president thinks it is. >> and lindsey graham, who's been trying to maintain a relationship with the president to influence the president in these matters. he's hit a point of exasperation telling "the washington post" today we don't have a reliable partner at the white house to negotiate it. graham said that thursday morning this has turned into an s. show for no good reason. he's aiming that at both the president and john kelly because he has talked specifically about kelly's attempts to go up to the hill and try to negotiate something because he thinks he's a better negotiator than lindsey graham. >> i've never seen a more dysfunctional set of
negotiations in my life. another thing interesting about lindsey graham, he also said he would not vote for the house passed cr, which tells you something. which is that mitch mcconnell may not have 50 republican votes for the partisan house passed bill. so mitch mcconnell has probably failed to get a majority of his republicans to vote for his bill. there's a bipartisan that will pass easily. but he can't get the votes for the house cr. so he's leaning on democrats to cover for his own failure. >> i've been wondering about that myself, and i've been wondering about whether the democrats and chuck schumer should drop any 60-vote threshold and watch this go to a vote on the senate floor and see if it fails on the majority
vote. >> you need unanimous consent to do that. you need cooperation of all 100 senators. although republicans would look silly if they tried to block democrats from letting them have majority threshold on a bill they claim is important to have the government open. >> sam, i want to go back to the president flying out of town and if the vice president flies out of town, then you know that they don't think there's anything that they can do here. but the president going to florida just completely leaving the scene of the shutdown, how do you expect that will play? >> well, it's not so much that he's at his own property probably playing golf while tens, if not hundreds of thousands of government workers are furloughed, which is bad optics, i would surmise. but it's also a wasted opportunity. after the 2013 shutdown, one of
the thing it is obama white house did was they had obama in settings and stuff that showed he was still working, even though the government wasn't and putting a spotlight on the government functions that weren't working. and to be frank about shut downs, they're tedious blame games. one of the great tools the president has is the bully pulpit. so i don't see this as so much a dumb pr move, although it probably is one, it's really a wasted opportunity for trump to stay in d.c. and hammer the message he's still working even if the government is not. >> let's listen to what paul ryan says about this as he tried to play the blame game. >> i ask the american people to understand this. the only people in the way of keeping the government open is
the democrats. whether or not there's a shut down is entirely up to them. >> daniel dale, paul ryan seems to have forgotten about the president of mexico who was the first person who stood in the way of paying for the wall. >> and he's omitting the president of the united states who rejected a bipartisan deal after saying he would sign anything braugtd brought to him. i agree with sam. they're going to blame each other. some of the arguments are rational, some are not going to be. but it's clear to everyone, democrats cannot be solely blamed for what we're seeing tonight. >> sam, thank you for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. the fbi is investigating whether russia funneled money to the national rifle association and then to president trump's campaign.
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until february 16th. tonight john kelly might be learning the hard way that donald trump doesn't believe in evolution. >> he has evolved in the way he's looked at things. campaign to governing two different things and this president is very flexible in terms of what is in the realm of the possible. >> the "new york times" reports president trump was livid when john kelly described him as evolving in his immigration position. they fielded calls to john kelly's comments as undermining the president. before he talked about it on trump news, he had been quoted by some democrats telling them that donald trump had been uninformed about some immigration issues when campaigning and has evolved since then. the president tried to kill the theory of evolution saying in
tweets the wall is the wall, it has never changed or evolved from the first day icon received of it. here's what he said when asked about john kelly today. >> he's great. he's doing a great job. i think general kelly has done a great job. he's a special guy. he didn't say that. i don't think -- he didn't say it the way you would like him to say it. he's doing a terrific job. >> joining us now francesca and adam is back with us. i want to remind everyone what the president had to stay about steve bannon four days before he was fired. let's take a look at this. >> do you have confident in steve?
>> look, i like mr. bannon. he's a friend of mine. i like him. he's a good man. he's not a racist, i can tell you that. he's a good person. >> and francesca, four days later he's fired. so where do we stand tonight on john kelly's status in the white house? >> this is the first sort of dispute like this that you've seen between john kelly and the president. and at the point in which steve bannon was fired, we all knew that was coming. that wasn't a surprise to a lot of us who are at the white house every day, but even viewers of the show. and the same goes for reince priebus, john kelly's predecessor. at this point he was fired, we thought for months he was on the ropes. since day one there was talk about how long reince priebus would stay in the role. so the fact that this is the first dispute we've seen between these two men play out, considering everything else you've seen play out in the
white house between president trump and officials, this is remarkable. >> we saw him go up to the hill and try to legislate a package to save the day. this is the least experienced chief of staff in history that has had such meetings ever. >> least experienced and the least interesting in learning some of the critical parts of the job about how congress works, the different bodies work. there are stories about him refusing to talk to former chief of staffs who have talked to him, to help him learn the ropes, both democrats and republicans. so i think this is a man who believes he knows everything he needs to know, doesn't have a lot to learn, but nothing can be further from the truth. he has very little idea how the process works. it's a shame he's not go doing more to learn what he doesn't know.
>> the president is always looking to assign blame. is he at this point assigning blame inside the white house that we are at the government shutdown threshold. >> so far president trump is blaming democrats for the fact that there might be a government shutdown and specifically the fact that they want to see the pathway for citizenship for d.r.e.a.m.ers in a bill pass here, however if you look at what the president said this morning, it was the president who undermined his own strategy by sending out the tweet about the children's health insurance program, which muddied the waters on whether or not he supported the short term resolution. and then you had paul ryan come out and say before the house vote, of course, he supports it, i talked to him on the phone, he tells me he's behind it the way it is currently. by the white house statement that came out said he supports the short term resolution, but it wasn't clear as mitch mcconnell brought up on the
floor what he wanted to happen here. if you're looking tomorrow to assign blame, there's going to be a lot of talk about what the president could have done differently in the situation as well. >> adam, we have an update on the president's plans in florida this weekend. on saturday, they have scheduled an anniversary event for the president's inauguration. which tickets start at $100,000 a couple. $250,000 a couple will get you a seat at the dinner and a photograph with the president. and so, with the government possibly shutdown on saturday, the president plans to be in florida, raising money and having pictures taken for $250,000 a shot. >> i think that shows the fundamental lack of seriousness about his approach to this shutdown.
he's tried, you know, very little to actually make it -- to prevent it from happening. he has undermined republican strategy, and this weekend he's going to be cavorting with very rich people in florida, miles away from where negotiations are happening. i think the significance of mike pence not being there is also significant because that's one vote that republicans might need in a pinch. but he seems to also not think it's serious enough to stick around town and present the shutdown from happening. it's a fundamental lack of seriousness. >> thank you both. coming up the fbi is investigating whether russia fundaled illegal campaign money to the national rifle association which then used that money to support the trump presidential campaign. that would be a crime. it's absolute confidence in 30,000 precision parts.
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money to influence federal elections. the nra spent $30 million in support of the trump for president campaign. that is triple what the nra spent in the last presidential election in sport of mitt romney's election in 2012. it notes in the nra meeting in kentucky, aleksandr torshin spoke to donald trump jr. during a gala event at the group's national gathering in kentucky in may 2016 when his father won an earlier than usual nra presidential endorsement. in december the "new york times" reported on an e-mail sent from an operative named rick clay in may 2016, to jeff sessions and campaign adviser rick dearborn who is now a white house deputy chief of staff. russia was quietly but actively seeking a dialogue with the u.s. and would attempt to use the
nra's annual convention in kentucky to make contact. he testified before the kmet committee yesterday and members said he answered all the questions and never claimed executive privilege. today they released the testimony of the founder of fusion gps. his testimony was consistent with what he told the judiciary committee. we know that only because diane feinstein took it upon herself to release the transcript of the senate judiciary committee's testimony, and she did it without the committee chairman's approval, chuck grassley. one point he discussed was the russian connection to the national rifle association. glen simpson told the committee, it appeared the russians
penetrated the nra, it was designed to infiltrate conservative organizations and they targeted conservative organizations, religious and otherwise, and seem to have made a very concerted effort to get in with the nra. in simpson's testimony, he identifies aleksandr torshin as, quote, a russian banker/duma member/mafia leader, who is a life member of the nra. joining us now, natasha bertrand and barbara mcquad. and natasha, this russia connection to the nra, what was it that the russians believed they could accomplish, other than just funding for the trump campaign? >> well, it's interesting.
this is just another example of how the russians were really trying to exploit the divisions that existed in american society in order to ingratiate themselves in the political culture. it happened with facebook, when they were trying to sow division based on race. they were infiltrating these organizations, such as the nra to cozy up to the political leaders during the campaign. and one of the assist tenants to aleksandr torshin, she wrote back in 2015 what we need now, the united states needs in order to have better ties with russia is a republican president. she then went on to pursue him and, you know, she went to a few of his rallies, asked him questions. this was a long term effort that lasted on behalf of the russians to use the nra to get to the trump campaign. whether or not that panned out,
whether or not that russian money went to the nra, we don't know. and whether or not that money came from the russians and was then used by the nra to give to the trump campaign is something that will need further investigating. >> what does the special prosecutor have by way of tools to find out what the nra was up to? does he start subpoenaing the records? >> i think he does. the first thing he can get is their campaign finance filings. were they blatant to list aleksandr torshin as the person who made donations, probably not. perhaps there are intermediaries there. the first step is to look at the filings and see who made contributions to the nra. the next step is to use a subpoena to get the records to see who made the contributions. it can take several steps to identify who the true donors are, but the first step is
getting records through grand jury subpoenas. >> it's fascinating to see a putin-inspired operation funding the concept of the right to bear arms. that every person in america has a right to a gun. that is something vladimir putin would never allow in russia. >> he's opposed to that idea. you have fringe groups in russia who are pushing this right to bear arms movement that isn't popular in russian society. the average russian says they don't want looser gun controls. so this is something very unusual would have gotten russian government funding. and if it did it, if it gave money to give to the nra, that would be extremely telling. >> were the negotiations continue between the committee and steve bannon about testimony, they've decided to
delay his testimony to figure out exactly what they can agree he's willing to talk about. but we have a report indicating that donald trump, the president of the united states, personally made the decision to curtail the testimony of former chief white house political strategist steve bannon before the house intelligence committee. barbara, there's the president of the united states in the white house making the legal calls, the lawyer calls, on what steve bannon should or should not say in that committee. >> yeah, it's really astonishing because especially in light of how complicated the idea of executive privilege can be. it applies only to deliberative processes, during the duration of the administration, for example. it's difficult for lawyers to figure out how it applies. the idea that donald trump is back there calling the shots is problematic. i think it also feeds into the notion of obstruction of justice.
is he asserting it for proper reasons? to preserve the power of the presidency or for some improper purpose to prevent disclosure of facts that could embarrassing to him. they did not assert executive privilege for rick dearborn. so sarah sanders's statements seem disingenuous. >> you have to imagine that some of the trump lawyers were horrified by this. they have a client who is under investigation for obstruction of justice, they would not want him near this kind of maneuvering and trying to control what someone says in a committee hearing. >> this is another thing for bob mueller to look at, frankly. he's building a case of obstruction of justice against the president, and what we've seen from the public behavior and his twitter account, he basically incriminated himself when he said he fired michael flynn because he spoke to the
fib. this is getting trump in bigger trouble than he needs to be in. the reports specify that trump talked to the deputy white house council not the white house counsel, because don mcgahn is a client of the same lawyer that represents steve bannon. so we imagine steve bannon on the phone with his other client at the white house. apparently that's not how it works. >> it is complicated when you have one lawyer representing people involved in different capacities. there is a potential conflict of interest there. clients are allowed to waive those conflicts. i'm not sure why the president relied on the deputy for that legal advice. it's a cast of characters that share the lawyers. >> hope hicks' testimony has been delayed.
hope hicks is one of the people who michael wolff in his book describes will crack like an egg under this questioning. >> it's her, donald trump jr., steve bannon. these are players that have deep knowledge in the white house's inner workings. no matter what president trump likes to say about steve bannon's, he came out and said he had nothing to do with my presidency. if that's the case, why are they trying so hard to prevent him from testifying. why did they say to him after the letter was written on air force one -- why was bannon looped into that. and now the trump administration, as they do, they try to distance themselves from him when anything comes out. >> thank you both. coming up, it's time to get
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overall health is excellent. >> the "new york times" decided to get a second opinion. in fact, they got three second opinions. the times consulted three cardiologists. the first cardiologist interviewed by the times said god, no, when he was asked if the president is in excellent health. the cardiologist pointed to the president's high cholesterol levels. dr. eric toe pell, a card yol at the scripts research institute found the discussion about whether the president is technically obese to be irrelevant. here the question is does he have abdominal on bee sesty. i don't care what his height is. look at his abdomen. that's the machinery for inflammation of the heart. the president was proud of passing the montreal cognitive assessment, in which he was able
to name these three animals. there they are. luckily for the president, the cognitive assessment did not ask him to identify three countries in africa. any three countries. take your time, mr. president. in yesterday "new york times" another doctor said we need to know much more about the president's mental state than his ability to tell the difference between a lion and a camel. dr. steven boozer was a physician in the air force for 12 years and is a trained clinical psychologist. one of his responsibilities was e evaluating the mental ability of those involved in the nuclear program. yesterday he said, personnel who handle nuclear weapons are held to higher standards than other
personnel. the department of defense specifies, quote, only those personnel who have demonstrated the highest degree of individual reliability for allegiance, trustworthiness, conduct behavior shall be allowed to perform duties associated with nuclear weapons and they shall be continuously evaluated for adherence to p.r.p. standards. he wrote, the commander in chief, is the only individual in the chain who is not subject to the ongoing certification under the program. in his op-ed piece yesterday he asked this question, what if president trump were instead airman trump and was to be assessed under the program's guide lines, would i certify him as p.r.p. ready to work in the vicinity of nuclear weapons?
dr. stephen boozer will answer that question after the break. with adt,
psychologist. he is the co-author of a clear and president danger, narcissim of the era of president trump. would donald trump pass the air force test for personnel working with weapons? >> that's the real question. somebody in that level of power with not only access to nuclear weapons or the ability to launch them within minutes, would he be certified around nuclear weapons? i have to start by saying absolutely not without further evaluation. looking at somebody were he to be in the air force or the military, we would look at past behaviors, sexually abusive behavior to women and cyber bullying through twitter. we look at paranoia of being persecuted by others or surveilled and untruthful comments or at least highly distorted comments and someone like that we would be suspect of giving authorization to be around nuclear weapons unless we
did a thorough psychiatric evaluation to determine what was going on in the case. >> there is concern about this for many years. it hasn't ever been as prominent as it is now. you actually quote something jimmy carter said. he wrote about this in the mid 1990s, and he was writing about the 25th amendment and how it needs clarification. he said consider the medical histories of the 18 presidents who have sat in the oval office during the 20th century. one half of the 18 had cardiac disease, five had serious hypertension and four suffered strokes while in office. given that the 25th amendment at the moment is the only thing we have that in any way concerns it self concerns with the president's fitness, what else do you think we need to have in place? >> that's a wonderful question. we need safeguards.
when you talk about nuclear war, global nuclear war that could eliminate the species from the planet, there needs to be safeguards in place, one that is in congress right now, house bill 669 for bids any president, not just the current president but any president from launching a first strike nuclear attack against any country without the okay from congress, which is a common sense bill. why would anybody not want congress to at least approve an attack of that nature? that's one thing. the missiles are currently on a hair trigger wire and we need to somehow make a safer system with that. there is house bill 1987 which allows congress to insist that the president get an evaluation, psychological or physical if there is ever any concern he's incapacitated.
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for more, we're joined by frank thorp. the senate opens for business at 11:00 a.m. tomorrow. what happens then? >> we'll figure out who blinks first, to be honest. we're in a situation senate democrats hope to bring republicans to the table, hoping to bring president trump to the table to negotiate something on daca but this is something senator mcconnell said repeatedly doesn't need to be addressed until march. senator mcconnell doesn't believe that. we expected a vote tonight, that this short-term continuing resolution that includes this funding for the chip program for the children health insurance program, but doesn't include anything for the d.r.e.a.m.e.r.s. and daca recipients. mcconnell pushed it until
tomorrow. he wants to put as much pressure on the democrats that plan on voting against the bill, he wants to put as much pressure as possible on the democrats in an effort to make them flip and in effort to make them look responsible for what could and looks like could be a potentially inevitable shut down if they don't get anything done tomorrow. >> is there any indication chuck schumer is considering allowing this to go to a vote, in other words, shopping the 60-vote threshold, letting it go to a majority vote and then on the bet that possibly the republicans can't even have those votes for the majority? >> there is no indication that would happen. seems to bed a vat kat advocaing idea. he doesn't want to extend this another month. he wants to have these
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immigration officers in his salute to the heroes where he read it support for ice and border patrol. >> my administration will not rest until you have the resources, the tools and the authority you need to do your job and do it properly. >> reporter: donald trump double down on his push for immigration reform. he vowed to stop sanctuary cities and end american catch and release policies which allow someone with illegal immigrants to be released until there immigration hearing. two of several promises he made monday. >> we will secure our border once and for all. >> reporter: the event comes the same day he sent a letter to state and local leaders asking their public support of agencies writing ice agents have been subjected to a nationwide campaign of insulted attacks. lawmakers on capitol hill are concerned about the orders he
handed to the agency. the trump administration's approach to immigration has been a subject of bipartisan criticism specifically the family separation policy. >> we were coming across the border. >> we can have border security without bullying. >> reporter: a federal judge made two rules on immigration, one, temporarily stopping the deportation of families separated at the border, the other approving a plan to reunite immigration children, whose parents had been deported. jillian: donald trump's message to the disgrace cia director, bring it on, i hope john brennan, the worst cia director and our country is history, brings a lawsuit. it will then be easy to get his records, texts, emails and documents to show not only the poor job he did but how he was involved in the mueller witchhunt. he won't sue.
after he hit the sunday talkshow circuit admitting he has been contacted by lawyers and willing to file a lawsuit over his dirty clearance being revoked and hinting at doing the delay cons brett kavanaugh in the senate, something republicans are doing. >> the first lady preparing her first solo trip to africa, expected to visit several countries them with
information and tools for successful and safe online habits. shannon: cyber bullying is the focus of her be best campaign. the empty video video music awards did not waste time turning political, kevin hart digging into donald trump before presenting the first award of the night. >> coast-to-coast right now. i'm looking at this like game day. do not worry because in this game you are about to kneel or do whatever you want. the old white man can't stop you. bad language, people run to the bathroom and send crazies wes, a typical day at the white house. rob: wrapper logic war a t-shirt
that slammed the border wall as a number of central americans stood behind with shirts that said we are all human beings. his performance protested the trump administration at 0-tolerance immigration policy and we want to know what you think. send us an email to fox news.com. was anybody surprised? jillian: 11 minutes after the hour. murder motive revealed, the father charged with killing his pregnant wife and daughter just hours from facing a judge. the bombshell claims he just made. rob: donald trump refusing to give into turkey's demands over a detained american pastor. >> a problem for a long time. they can't take our people. you will see what happens. rob: our next guest says the president is making the right
move by taking a hard line. stay tuned.
release images of president rouhani witnessing the first fight. rob: donald trump refuses new demand in exchange for the release of american pastor andrew brunson. jillian: the tension erupting into chaos when a gunman opened fire on the us embassy in the turkish capital, the president making the right decision? joining us is the president vice president of the heritage foundation. thank you for joining us this morning. what do you think? is donald trump doing the right thing? >> if you look at the timeline of what went on here the us has been very disciplined in how they approach this with turkey, they started with quiet discipline, the president raised this with president erdogan and then they demonstrate their frustration. i think the administration has
processed like everybody also the turks want that guy, they have to go after him legitimately because anyone in the united states is considered a us person and that means they have all the rights of american citizens so to through the guy out of the country would be violating his human rights and we don't do that. jillian: what happens to pastor brunson? >> i think he should be released. you have a turkish leader whose foreign policies are not in the best interests of the turkish people. he started a needless dispute with the united states that wants to partner with him, committed to keeping the us turkish bilateral relationship strong even though we have differences. it is incomprehensible. rob: you are watching the situation deteriorate and
watching them fall toward countries we are not getting away from and they are moving toward the embrace and nato's embrace as well. is it sad to see turkey move in this direction? >> i don't -- in the end countries like russia and china and iran can do nothing for turkey but on the other hand we have been through this before. in the early days of nato, france, one of our strongest allies under a wartime partner of the united states pulled out of the nato military alliance and we survived and if turkey decides to make really stupid policy decisions the us will find a way to defend its interests in the region and the country losing here is turkey. shannon: appreciate it, 19 after the hour and so long silent sam.
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has more on the shocking revelations. >> my office filed formal charges against christopher watts. >> reporter: charged with killing his pregnant wife and two girls, a total of 9 felonies including one related to the unborn child. >> a class of felony as a result of her being pregnant at the time of her death. >> reporter: police discovered watts was having an affair with a coworker. during questioning, he asked his wife for a separation and told investigators she is the one who strangled the children. watts said he snapped and killed her and gruesomely destroyed all the bodies. >> he filed 3 counts of tampering with the human body each of which is a class iii felony each of which names them as victims. >> the town of frederick just north of denver has been in the media limelight more than a week
when the she and her daughters were reported missing. the father appeared alongside the district attorney to disgrace attitude for the support. >> thanks for coming to the candlelight vigil and saying your prayers, it is appreciated. keep the prayers coming for our family. rob: he has been and wife dead after their small plane plummets to the ground, - can video shows the private jet falling out of control and smashing an intersection in phoenix, arizona. both people on the plane were killed in the crash. the homemade plane hit two cars when it crashed, nobody on the ground was seriously hurt. stopping a confederate statue in north carolina.
[cheers and applause] >> the fictional silent sam has been the target of protesters for decades, the school spent $400,000 on security for the last year. one person was arrested on the first day of classes. >> animal crackers breaking free, nabisco changing the packaging under pressure from the animal activism group after 116 years, the animals will no longer appear to be inside circus cages, they will be roaming free in the crescent trees. they will be on store shelves now. they look happier there. rob: yes they do. wild and free, 26 after the hour. migrants behind three of the worst terror attacks in europe since 2016 or terrorist attacks, millions of migrants could stay in the uk if the brexit deal
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third incident where a fourth person was mugged and shot in nashville. a one of the terrorist is heading to prison, marlon hicks spent 15 years behind bars information about explosives to be used in an attack in the name of isis, he was inspired by the 2016 pulse like him shooting that left 49 did in orlando. he begged forgiveness from the judge and a statement i'm not a terrorist, i'm a teddy bear who got emotional for 15 years. enough is enough, chicago's top cop after 6 people killed and 52 injured over the past week. >> i showed anger and frustration today mainly because these acts are tragic, senseless, i am tired of it. you should be tired of it too. rob: two of the victims, 15 and 17 years old, 344 people have
been killed in chicago. >> the jury in the paul manafort trial without a verdict in this defense think that is a good thing. >> very happy to hear that, he thinks it was a very good day, thank you. jillian: jurors have been considering bank and tax fraud charges against the former trump campaign chairman. he will be back a few hours from now. donald trump with a campaign rally in charleston, west virginia. it is a show of support for the republican challenging joe manchin for his senate seat this fall. rob: koreans reunited with long-lost family members after decades. jillian: benjamin hall introducing people torn apart by the korean war. >> reporter: after six decades families from north and south korea torn apart by war finally
reunited. a 92-year-old woman cried as she hugged her son for the first time in 65 years. the 75 woman, his stepbrother, she was with him as a child trying to escape the korean war. >> we were separated, what happened to us? what a world. i'm so happy. >> reporter: 300 south koreans from 89 families to see their loved ones out of an estimated 60700,000 people who have family there. the rare reunion comes after kim jong un and president moon agreed to it. it is part of a historic summit in the demilitarized zone following the us pressure campaign. >> i could recognize it from the past even though he has gotten old and wrinkled, there is some of them left from my memory. >> reporter: relatives will spend 3 days in the country but
only 11 supervised hours together. north korea does not want its people learning much about the outside world. and the thing about a firm network towards denuclearization the us once. and in september in pyongyang, high hopes becoming more firm might come from him. >> millions of migrants to stay in the uk, leaders can't make a deal on brexit. jillian: what is the point of brexit to strengthen borders? reaction, fox news contributor and uk independence party leader nigel farage. how did it get to this point? >> reporter: somebody negotiating brexit was week. the idea was if we had a deal with the european union on trade, people would be allowed to stay.
now we are told even if there is no deal not only can 3.8 million people stay but they will be allowed to bring their extended families, they have full access to social security and benefit system and even worse, there is no proposed cut off date from which any of this is changing. it is quite remarkable because the british public overwhelmingly voted with brexit, take back control of our borders, reduce the huge inflow coming into this country and they are being willfully ignored by the british government and british parliament. rob: teresa may wants to water it down as much as she can. >> that is right. a remarkable thing we finished up with a prime minister who voted in may and when asked even today does she believe in brexit can't answer the question. i walked into a shop to buy
something and the one behind the counter said of donald trump was negotiating for us we would have it all sorted out by now. jillian: ties to terror in 32 of 194 islamist plots targeting europe over the past four years that resulted in 182 deaths, and 814 injuries and in 2015 isis exploited refugee roots to go back and forth from syria to germany unhindered. you gave speeches on that point in the past. >> in april and may 2015 the eu were beginning to say our doors are open to anyone who comes, stood up in the european parliament, when isis say they will use the migrant crisis as a means of getting operatives into europe, perhaps we ought to believe them. perhaps we are to put stock in this, perhaps we are to say like the australians did when they had a similar problem, no one
will be allowed to stay, none of that happened and we do not have a clue how many bad people are being let into europe. it is madness and another reason why brexit is the common sense and safest thing to do for our people. rob: the anti-brexiters will admit you can't know who is coming in if you open this place up to all this migration, you can't know and the proof is in those numbers we just gave and put it to the people again, are we comfortable bringing in a lot of people knowing some percentage of them will try to do horrible things when they are here? >> the other side of the aisle believe we are all global citizens, lovely and fluffy and nice, we should go wherever we went and move freely around the world and when you link this
directly to terrorism of any kind they simply say you are racist, turnaround and walk away. they are not prepared to engage this conversation but people in this country, people in middle england, they know what they believe. another example of how the elites and much of the mainstream media are completely out of touch with public opinion. jillian: we will keep talking about it, thank you so much. rob: 38 after the hour. socialist cynthia nixon once universal rent control. just one problem, she doesn't appear to know what it means or have any details about it. is it a good idea to run on? >> you can neil, do what you want, no old white man can stop you. rob: the vma's turn, is
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relationship and knew what they were doing was wrong. the sheriff says ice is aware of the arrest. rob: the music industry's brightest are not wasting an opportunity to trash the president of the mtv music awards in a politically charged -fest. >> do not worry, you guys are allowed to kneel, you can do what you want. an old white man can't stop you. you never know what will happen at the vma. bad language, people run to the bathroom and send out crazy tweets, like a typical day at the white house. rob: why do celebrities keep waiting into politics? here to debate that is michelle ritchie and new york city gop councilman joe borelli. thanks for coming on this morning. this is the ultimate safe space.
what is interesting is you don't see people engaging in much debate, they go to something like this where you can say anything you wanted everybody cheers for you. >> in the 90s they want the in your face joke, this is a reality. when you have rolling stone previewing with an article entitled will anyone watch the vma and revenue is down 50%, and they don't want to be pontificated to buy celebrities. rob: i like kevin hart. he is a funny guy. >> he is a comedian. and humor for comedians, this happened to obama, george bush, remember will ferrell playing him on snl which was fabulous.
you can't look at this as people turning it off. i'm a little older so i got into the music but i watch it, wasn't necessarily the politics. we were chuckling. it was a little funny. rob: you are going after the demographic, very young people. >> we should never stop making fun of our president and elected officials ever. when it gets to the part where if you support the president you are a racist was they novo been being lectured. rob: it didn't seem softer and musical performances, it got into the real nuts and bolts of politics and if you are not towing groupthink you are out.
rob: he is a wrapper and a number of -- immigrant children, we don't know how they got the story, and the shirt says asked the wall and we are all human beings, he is making a statement about the wall and family separation, the most difficult moment of the night. >> i would agree. it is freedom of speech, freedom of expression, we don't agree with it. rob: every time we have an award show we analyze the same stuff. let's move on to cynthia next and trying to be governor of new york, she has a plan for universal rent control which if you ask most people would be disastrous for a lot of reasons. and didn't have a lot of details about this. a big housing advocate in new york city, he didn't have a lot
of details. >> imagine the nerve of these reporters to ask how you are going to pay for this policy. there is consensus among economists that rent control is not working, look at the four biggest cities, new york, san francisco, washington dc, they all have rent control in the highest rental rates in the country. this is something that can't be done. democrats in 2020 are nothing but the party of bread and circuses and it is about what can they give out for free. rob: who are you more comfortable with, cynthia nixon? >> it is a proposal from cynthia next in, seems fair to take a line from sex and the city were terry bradshaw says in new york city are always looking for a job, a boyfriend and an apartment. the latter seems true for new yorkers. rent in new york city has
increased 33% in less than ten years when we have increased 2%. people cannot afford to live here, they are being forced out and in san francisco people in san francisco make $117,000 a year are able to qualify for food stamps and that is not the direction we want new york state or new york city to go. rob: i don't think rent control -- there has to be another solution. that would exacerbate the problem. 1 million apartments that rent control off the market -- >> there are 2.6 million apartment in the city alone. if you have $100 in rental subsidy you are talking 3 or $4 billion a year. rob: we got to leave it at that. 48 minutes after the hour. coffee shop explosion, the dramatic moment a massive blast
goes off with people inside. and marijuana for morning sickness. the shocking find about pregnant women going to pot, stay tuned. ♪
the corrosion of the bridge's cables reducing its strength by 20%. >> explosion destroyed the coffee shop with people inside. surveillance video showing debris flying inside the georgia café, two employees and the customer were airlifted to a hospital with serious injuries. investigators say construction crew accidentally had a gas line and something in the kitchen sparked the blast. rob: overnight fresh evidence foreign actors are still trying to interfere in us elections. shannon: the hackers microsoft just caught ahead of the midterm. >> it hasn't 7 covered a new russian hacking attempt targeting us political groups that of the midterm elections. microsoft said that it removed 6 internet domain registered by a russian hacking group with ties to the russian government that tried to spoof legitimate websites.
two of them are political conservative think tanks, one being the international republican institute and the other the hudson institute and u.s. senate websites that were designed to look legitimate. microsoft said it has no evidence these hackers were successful in their attempt but this is scary considering what happened in the 2002 presidential election. jillian: apple taking preorders. >> reporter: that is the rumor. they are saying german wireless carriers preparing for september 21st as the official launch date for the new iphones, preorders will start around september 14th with an official announcement from apple. we should know media invites at
the end of august so we will find out when the exact date for the unveiling is. time for the good, the bad and the ugly. an american hero gets a high school diploma. the 90 when-year-old with a graduation ceremony more than 70 years in the making. >> the nypd, the military story, how he never got his high school diploma. >> reporter: he was supposed to graduate in 1945, he joined the nypd after the war. >> a crocodile spotted floating on a pool in florida, very comfortable. this citing happening in key largo. >> they are using pot to fight
morning sickness. they -- that says two. to treat nausea and headaches. what do i know? i would not know. 56 minutes after the hour, coming up at 5:00, this is interesting. john kasich wants to run as a republican in 2020 against the president. wiley carter says this is an to play to win the white house. jillian: hillary clinton on the campaign trail but for what? find out in the next hour of "fox and friends first".
hours of testimony. >> not only are the president's attorneys still in the dark about it, the president himself is rattled. remember it was don mcgann who threatened to quit when president trump attempted to fire robert mueller last june. sources confirming that federal authorities are preparing charges against michael cohen. the u.s. attorney's office is investigating cohen for possible bank and tax fraud as well as campaign finance violations for hush money payments to stormy daniels. those charges could come next week. and today, paul manafort served the trump campaign for 18 months. he's facing 18 separate counts
of bank and tax fraud. he also faces charges on money laundering and fraudulent lobbying. good evening, everyone, welcome to the program. here's what the sources are telling cnn, mcgann didn't provide incriminating information about the president. he doesn't believe he implicated trump in any wrongdoing. give me your assessment of this? >> i don't understand how they can say that so confidently. the key piece of evidence that remains is trump's state of mind. we know the acts he did. they would constitute obstruction if done with corrupt motive. mcgann is in the white house, he calls the president king kong. he's the guy who trump directs
foe tell sessions to recuse before he -- mcgann knew he couldn't do it. he's the guy that argues against the comey firing, he was there shoulder to shoulder, he doesn't know what mueller knows. it seems implausible to me that in 30 hours he doesn't provide factual material that's illuminating about the president's state of mind. i think it's overconfident to be saying that at this point. >> the real question is, why would trump's lawyers not debrief mcgann because he's given 30 hours of interviews. much of which the trump legal team is in the dark about. >> 30 hours is like a book on tape, isn't it? that's a lot of testimony, the white house got nothing out of this in return for letting all
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with the russian ambassador shortly after the comey firing. i mean, there are ways that evening if he doesn't say ex, ex can be inferred when you put what he's saying next to what other people are saying, and then you really do have to add to that, the failure to debrief is interesting. it suggests they did not understand what was going on here. and that suggests there may have been admissions that were made, but we really don't know. >> nancy, let me ask you, i asked this question in the last hour, do you think it's finally starting to settle in, that this president is realizing don mcgann is not his personal attorney. he represents the office of the presidency. >> i think now that we're talking about why it is that mcgann had no defense to talking to mueller. i mean, he could have raised issues, he could have raised
administration has exposure, and he wanted to make sure that he was not the one holding the bag. so -- >> which was the motivation for dean coming forward, wasn't that the motivation for john dean coming forward? during watergate? >> assuming the reporting is accura accurate. and i have no reason to think it's not. >> did you say it was possible or not toblg possible? >> i was agreeing with jack that there's no way -- they spoke today. this really is the legal gang that couldn't shoot straight from the top. first of all, nancy's right, no attorney client privilege. and executive privilege is a hard road to tow. the fact that they can try to reel back in the testimony i was just agreeing -- -- >> they can't do it?
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who signed a letter rebuking president trump denying brennen's security clearance. denying president obama, it would be unprecedented, right? >> it would be strange for this presidency. i mean, come on, this happens on every front on every day, the fact that he would look back at obama and say, let's cult him out of something. it doesn't surprise me. i hadn't hurt it before, but it doesn't surprise me. it does help undermine one of the arguments we heard about the letters that have been coming out from former security officials about the john brennan revocation of the clearance. which is all about the fact that he violated some aspect of the security agreement. there's been no evidence about that for john brennan, and there's no evidence that i saw in this story or had heard otherwise that barack obama had somehow violateded norms of
presidential behavior or violated what it would take to remove ex-presidents with standard intelligence brieflyings, would have to be ended. i don't know where that came from other than spite. >> let's talk about this new yorker report. that his team wanted to revoke the clearances of obama officials. but then h.r. mcmaster stopped it. what's the reason, what is the reason former administration staffers usually get to keep their clearances? >> in one case, and i think in the report it made clear that these were national security council staffers who were held over, staying in some of their jobs as directors, possibly even senior directors at the nsc. in that case, that's for continuity of government. you have some people who know what's going on on these various issues internationally. keeping those people on board with security clearances makes sense. it's also possible that some of the people were senior
officials, like we've been talking about with former cia directors that you might bring people back in for consultations, can you always give them classified information on a spot basis, but it's much easier and much more efficient if they retain those security clearances so they can have those conversations more easily. >> president trump told reuters tonight that he hasn't given a lot of thought to revoking the idea of robert mueller's security clearance. he didn't rule it out, though. how bad would it look that the president is under investigation by mueller's office? >> i mean, i -- i can't fathom that that would be something that we would actually see happen. it seems like there would be no clearer way to obstruct justice than to obstruct in an obstruction of justice investigation. which is exactly what you would be doing if you were trying to pull robert mueller's ability to
view classified intelligence as part of a classified counter intelligence investigation that he -- >> how many times have you said, i could never imagine that anything -- i couldn't fathom this would happen, and then it happens. >> and as david said, that's been almost the daily story of this presidency, i think we spend so much time focused on donald trump breaking norms, that part of this -- part of what we're losing in this is why other people are breaking those norms, why john brennan, why jim clapper, why mike hayden are speaking out in the way that they are. i mean, admiral william mccraven when he came out last week, asking the president to revoke his security clearance, so that he could be on record as against the administration, i mean, that was a phrase and a public action i never thought i would see from someone like him. i've covered john brennen. i've covered jim clapper, these are not men who scare easily,
these are not men who cry wolf. the fact that they are out there shouting at the top of their lungs day after day at this point, that this man is a threat to our nation's rule of law, and our democratic institutions is something that we should be focused on. >> well, david, let's talk a little bit more about that, because former cia national security agency director michael hayden told cnn today that the relationship between trump and the intelligence community is dangerously close to being permanently broken. how dangerous is it -- the state of relations between the president and the intelligence community, that it's so bad that it's at risk of being permanently broken? >> one of the dangers here is that there is the fear -- and i haven't heard this directly from many people, because thankfully most of the people still doing national security currently are putting their heads down and doing their job, trying to protect national security. but the fear that has to be there is, if we start down a
road of revoking security clearances, based on political speech, which let's be honest, that's what this is, does that also pertain to the truth to power that intelligence analysts are trained to deliver to policy makers. if you have to go to the president of the united states and give him a message that you know he doesn't want to hear because it's inconvenient for his policy. are they going to hold back because of fear that they will be punished for giving an uncomfortable truth to the president of the united states? that is the biggest danger, which is it that the very function of a very expensive intelligence community will be undermined completely if this goes down that slippery slope any further. >> trump's lawyer, rudy giuliani is daring john brennan to take president trump to court. to john brennan, president trump granted our request, jay seculo and me, to handle your case. if you don't, it would just be
like obama's red lines p.m. come on, john, you're not a blow hard. i can't believe that anybody -- i mean -- i'm actually reading that from the president's lawyers is beyond -- but if brennen follows -- >> this isn't some random ambulance chaser he's found off the back of a park bench, this is something who is one of the nation's most revered federal prosecutors who's entire career is based on the hard work of men and women in the fbi and men an women just like robert mueller. >> the fact that i'm reading that is beyond, who would really have the upper hand here if that indeed happened? >> i think john brennan certainly has the upper hand going into any battle in this situation. i mean, as steven said, it seems very clear that the president is taking this action based on john
brennan's public first amendment protected speech. and that there is no hint of official misconduct that would lead to the revocation of a security clearance. >> one thing that's laughable here, i heard earlier today, that they were saying, well, this would be great for discovery. maybe that was trump in one of his tweets saying, sure, if john brennan wants to sue us, then we're going to find out all kinds of secrets about him. do you think that somebody who has been under frequent reinvestigation as part of his career for 30 years, with a polygraph and everything that comes with it, how many secrets is john brennan going to have come up in discovery that are embarrassing, versus how many he will be able to get out of the president in the same process? it's laughable? >> maybe some tax returns, who knows. >> thank you. i appreciate it, when we come back, did president trump use the n word on the apprentice. omarosa claims he used the slur
in reference to kwame jackson? guess what, kwame is here. next.
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president trump denies claims by former aide that he used the n word while taping the apprentice many i want to talk about this now with kwame jackson, who was runner up on season one of the apprentice. good evening. you were on with omarosa, weren't you? >> i was. >> did you lose because of her? >> i don't blame her for that, it's her, all her little craziness and things that she does. i've gotten over it in the last 15 years. >> 15 years of therapy to work through it. >> you know, just for transparency, we discuss this, and i know some things you're comfortable talking about, others you're not. i know you don't want to give a platform to stupid tutty. >> right. >> you said if you had heard him, you're not saying he didn't. but if you had heard him personally yourself, you would have -- >> i would have said meet me
outside, i know he's a 70-year-old man and he's the president now, but if someone's going to call you that, he's going to call you is that to your face. it's not whether he used the word or not, it's about whether the word makes a difference. it's about the fact that even if there is a tape that says kwame jackson n word, left, right, here in the middle, will america react in anyway that it's not reacting before, what i learned from the election is, racism, bigotry, scene phobia, homophobia are not disqualifying factors to becoming president of the united states. that's what broke my heart during the election, we stand up and say the pledge of allegiance as kids, there's all these great principles we're taught, and you wake up election morning and say, people will look the other way on things that are supposed to be fundamental disqualifiers. >> you are saying it doesn't matter, the tape doesn't matter? if he said it or not, it doesn't matter, do you believe that's what -- >> i'm saying they're not the
dead sea scrolls, you're not going to walk down and say, the word of god has been revealed to me, they're not al capone's vault, it's not going to change anything. especially with his base, it's not going to change things. >> why is that? >> swing voters, maybe. >> it's a sad state of affairs. >> i think it is. we have to revisit that as a nation. intrinsically in our history, race has been woven in, this history of slavery, jim crowe, pernicious behavior against others. that's something we really never addressed as a nation. and for others, they want to look the other way for great economic numbers. they want to say, that's great he's that way to some people, but my 401(k) went up 3%. >> that whole thing about the economy and that there was -- economic anxiety -- >> it's what happened in starbucks.
>> it's race. >> you will not replace us is economic anxiety. >> so for -- what's happening is clearly about race, and you said again that it wouldn't make a difference. if he did. i'm just wondering what that says about our society and our culture that -- because there was a state senator on who said, it wouldn't make a difference if he used the word, because he didn't use it as president or something. it's an odd. >> the funny thing is, i talked about this before that. the n word is not the only litmus test for racism. it's not standing in someone's yard burning a cross with a hood. and now you're racist. there's data points that lead up to that that we all know in this president's long history. >> do you know of donald trump
using -- >> i've heard scuttlebutt for a long time that these tapes exist, and i've done my part to look up those tapes and see what could come of that, really, nothing has come of that so far. >> last week the president tweeted to say there were no tapes with him using the n word. do you believe mark burnett would call him to tell him something he should have already known. i think he's personally played the sidelines, there's been lots of opportunities for leadership among my contestants, among producers for people to step up i know in the long arc of history, people who were favoring mccarthyism or the confederacy, they're going to look stupid. >> you said you've gotten over the last 15 years, you didn't win the apprentice, trump felt
like you should have fires omarosa from your team. >> watch this. >> kwame, a couple things bother me and bother me bigly. omarosa lied to you, she deceived you. not only once. but twice. >> why didn't you fire her? >> at that will time i didn't know that was an option. and i had a job to get done. >> i don't like just moving them over, i like firing them. and you should have fired her. >> okay. >> so when the president deceives us, should we do something? >> you mean fire him? >> slu we fire him? >> he said you should have fired her, but he kept hiring her. >> yes, he did. over and over on multiple shows. she's been a fixture in his administration for the last 15 years. i don't look the other way on omarosa's essentially menstrual bee lav yore, america has
applauded her on. now to come back and say, you know, i've got the goods on mr. trump as one of my friends told me, it takes a crook to catch a crook. if her tapes reveal things about trump, god bless her, that does not discount her bee lav yore or this president who has gotten us in this condition. it's like celebrating the arsonist now that they've become a fireman. >> do you think this is a reh rehabilitation tour for her? >> not for me. i believe there's scuttle butt she could bring down the president. i'm all for that, because i don't think he should be in office. you should have never helped him to become president. to say this is a come to jesus moment for omarosa and she can get back in the fold and be invited to the bbq again is not
what i think. >> when you're watching this play out, do you think, this is the political version -- >> yeah, i call it america's addiction to junk food. we all like cheeseburgers and fries, but if you eat them every day, guess what happens, you get a president like trump, diabetes all kinds of problems. i understand people like the bright shrineny object, this whole big show, at some point we have to go a little vegan, do a little exercise and not just eat junk food. >> he didn't want to do this initially he said i don't want to give a platform to something that is horrible. you want to elevate the conversation by doing what? >> for me, this is about taking a stand, and saying, enough is enough about junk food, there's a smart lady that once said, when they go low, we go high.
this is not about me coming on and criticizing omarosa. this is about the principles of our nation that are at stake. these are the principles i talked about three or four years ago. and i warned america where we were going in this process. and now we're here again. we have another chance to come together and i'm encouraging america to do that, hopefully through my own actions. >> boom! >> snap it out. you got to snap it out. >> all right. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. when we come back, a trump speech writer who attended a conference of white nationalists is out of the white house. he has no regrets, that's next. pah! that will never work.
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a speech writer for president trump has left the white house after an investigation revealed he atefrned a conference freak wented by white nationalists. he's listed as a speaker for the 2016 menken club conference, a small annual conference attended by people like richard spencer. let's discuss. hello, everyone. good evening. >> before we talk about this former white house speech writer, i wanted to hear your reaction to my conversation with kwame jackson. he says it doesn't matter. i i? i did that, i know i did, in one of my takes at the beginning of the show. it doesn't matter -- do you think it matters, simone? >> don, i guess agree with kwame
in the sense that i don't need the tape to assess the president's views on people of color. i mean, we have a tape from the white house earlier today. so i guess i -- we don't need the tape, what we should be colonaled with is the type -- what is actually going on in this white house, the policies that are coming out of the administration, the things donald trump is not tweeting about, like the judges, the carve gnaw nomination down the line. we don't need the tape, donald trump told us who he was a long time ago. >> he said what was happening in the white house, tara, he said it was a menstrual show, basically just sort of -- >> i said that, yeah, no, i've made that reference before, and i think i also called diamond and silk political menstruals, because this is what seems to entertain donald trump. i don't think if the tape exists
and we heard it in a different way -- i thousand if the 2016 campaign, if that had come out after the access hollywood tape, that might have taken trump down. i think it would be too much for the country to accept a president who said the n word and grabbing women by the genitals. i've already heard conservative commentators and others making excuses for this saying, well, it depends on what context he said it, and no, it shouldn't matter what context he said it in, it's not acceptable at all. that makes me believe that it's not going to matter to a trump loyalist even though it's wrong. it reinforces what we already know that he's a bigot. >> i think i know scott well enough, context wouldn't matter, can i just -- you probably wouldn't -- >> scott's one of the good ones. >> am i right? >> yeah, look, this tape would matter, i mean, i -- i know it's -- everybody's saying it wouldn't. it would matter, it would be painful for millions of americans, including myself to hear the president of the united
states say it on tape, if it exists and is proven, we're speaking in hypotheticals, of course, even though it happened before he was president. to me, what would matter more is how he handled it, how do you go to the american people and say, i'm sorry, here's how it happened, here's why i said it, what would the aftermath be frankly to me, almost would be more important than a tape becoming forward. at that point, the president, who's the president of all of us, would have to explain himself and talk about how he's learned and grown as a person and he's not doing that any more. >> good luck with that. i mean, charlottesville is a perfect example -- >> this is all hypotheticals. >> yeah, that's never happening. >> good luck with that. >> let's move on now, i want to dig into this fired white house speech writer. he participated in the 2016 conference featuring peter renalo. also as well as two former writers for the national review who were both fired forre
espousing racist views. what does that say about the trump vetting process? >> it's lacking. i don't even know if it exists at all. it does speak. i don't know if it exists at all. the additional questions i believe this raises, don, what kind of access did the white nationalist that spoke at this conference or the folks that don't self-identify as white nationalists but sub describe to a white supremacist ideology. what type of -- did this influence make it into any of the president's speeches? has it made it into talking points? into concrete policy? have these folks had an audience with other senior advisers of the president? this is absolutely dangerous. and the fact that the white house didn't know until the k file did their reporting and asked about it, i think should be concerning to us all. >> we're going to continue this
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. back now, so, when contacted by cnn, we're going to continue our conversation, the white house asked to delay the reporting on the speechwriter, and late friday night, told cnn that beatty no longer works at the white house. beatty releasing a statement, saying in 2016 i attended that conference in question, and said nothing objectionable, and stand by my remarks completely.
should anyone wanting to work in politics know to avoid a conference attended by white nationalists? >> not only that, he didn't apologize for attending this conference, named after mencken, who said an uneducated black man as a low caste person with the white race being 50 generations ahead of him. this is the man it's named after. so, it's basically a bunch of academics kvetching about nationalism. and the fact that he seems
unapologetic about it, you had steve bannon, rob porter, stephen miller, now you have this guy. what is it about this administration that attracts them? this is the main question. this guy also got his phd on martin heidegger, a member of the nazi party. these are the kinds of people this administration is attracting. >> that's what i want to ask scott. the "washington post" is saying that beatty resisted the push for him to resign, leading him to being fired. this is supposed to be the best people, extreme vetting. >> extreme, all right. >> do you think he would be still working there if the reporting had not surfaced? >> obviously, because he was
there before it surfaced. i'm glad the white house took the action it did. when you work in the white house, one of the things that should be immediately clear, it's not about you. it's about the president, the office, and the institution. when you do something, or if something surfaces that brings great embarrassment to the office, or is going to trouble that office, you should have enough respect for the institution to back down. but the white house realized that was the right thing to do. and when you work for the white house staff, only you know everything you've done. if you're done something in your past, or been associated with something that could bring the president embarrassment, you should bring that to your superiors. but i'm glad the staffers did what they had to do. >> thinking about this person
working for the white house, and last week, they couldn't name one black person who worked in the west wing or for the administration. but you have someone who participates in white nationalist conventions. >> and unapologetically, still. >> i want to talk about the first lady, melania trump, spoke out against cyber bullying today. let's listen. okay, it's not there. as she was holding her event, then, let's put up the tweets. the president attacking the former cia director, john brennan. bruce ohr. calling john dean a rat. symone, take it away. >> some people today tried to paint the first lady as some miraculous troller that sits in the white house and holds donald
trump accountable with her actions and words. i just, i don't think so. look, i think that the first lady, if she wants folks to be best, she should start with her own household. my mother told me take care of me and mine before telling other people what to do. i think it's a noble cause. cyber bullying and bullying is a real issue. we should be encouraging young people and everyone across the country to be the best version of themselves. but melania trump is married to the bullier in chief, from the first day he announced his run for president trump saying mexicans were rapists who took our jobs. i don't understand how she finds it appropriate, sane, or feasible for her to have the be best anti-bullying program.
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what mr. mcgahn had said, according to a person close to the president. yesterday in what was for reasons we will get to later rudy giuliani's most spectacularly ridiculous tv interview ever, giuliani actually admitted that the trump lawyers do not know everything don mcgahn told the special prosecutor. >> we have a good sense, obviously, of what mr. mcgahn testified to. i can figure it out. >> how do you say that, good sense? have you debriefed him? >> no, no. but mr. dowd has a good sense of it. he talked to them at the time. >> the times reports that rudy giuliani refused to follow trump's orders on television yesterday. the article sent out of a scramble on saturday. the president sequestered at his private golf club and solicited opinions on the possible repercussions from the article. the president ordered giuliani
to tell reporters that the article was wrong, but mr. giuliani did not go that far in his appearances. don mcgahn ignored questions about this weekend's reports. >> why did you wait so long to speak to special counsel? >> did you confide because you thought the president would deter you? >> do you regret that decision? >> and like clock work, when the news media reveals details of the mueller investigation that disturb the president, the president's tweeting becomes even more hysterical. this morning the president tweeted these lies about special prosecute eoe eor robert muelle his staff spent over 30 hours with the white house counsel, misspelled by the president, only with my approval for purposes of transparency. anybody needing that much time when they know there is no
russian collusion is just someone looking for trouble. they are enjoying ruining people's lives and refuse to look at the real corruption on the democrat's side, the lies, the firings, the e-mails and so much more. mueller is looking to impact the election. they are a national disgrace. >> joining us now intelligence and national security reporter for nbc news, politics editor at theroot.com and former chief adviser or al gore and a former senior aid to president obama. when a trump tweet ends with national disgrace, a tweet that includes a misspelling by the president, it reminds me of the days when misspelling was a national disgrace when done by the vice president of the united states, dan quayle on the word potato, days that no one can really remember at this point. here is the president -- and the
only reason i read the tweet is to note the level of hysteria, which increases in direct proportion, it appears, to just how disturbed the president is by the news he's reading or being read to him in "the new york times." >> lawrence, you can almost say he was unhinged. >> you could, yes. >> by the way he seems to be responding to these things. >> i have to say i have been avoiding that word since it became a book title. >> yeah. >> but it's a hard word to avoid. >> the dancing around has been very difficult given the president's actual behavior, yes. and this is a reflection of multiple things. one, again, 20-something years ago the president spelling something wrong in public and correcting a child was a week long news story. now we have a new controversy. if a scandal is happening, it might be a day that ends in "y" with this administration. you have a president who is constantly screaming and attacking an investigation as to
whether or not he tries to stop people from investigating him. that's part of the issue. he is confirming everything that they're trying to find out about him. i will say this very quickly about don mcgovernment's exhibit ahn. he has a long exextensive history. this guy knows how to stay out of trouble. and so he's definitely going to reveal whatever it is he needs to reveal to mueller because he has a career he wants to extend beyond what this presidency may be able to handle. >> the most important phrase that i have read in all of this reporting about the mcgahn interviews is "the new york times" describing that don mcgahn has given them the president's mindset, the mindset on the firing of james comey. >> yeah. >> and so that can change what rudy giuliani and the president are trying to set up as a he said/he said conflict, meaning james comey says the president
said something to him about flynn and the president denies he ever said that about flynn. well, what if, what if there is someone else in the white house who can actually confirm that the president did say something like what jim comey says the president said? >> yeah, lawrence. you're absolutely right. this is a key thing. the hardest part of proving the case is proving what the president did was with an intent to obstruct justice, to impede the investigation. and don mcgahn had a ring side seat for that intent and was involved in these various acts that trump did: firing comey, demanding that mueller be fired and actions taken against rosensterose rosenste rosenstein. if you take a step back, you have got a white house counsel now talking to prosecutors. you have got someone running around that taped the west wing. you have a president with an enemy's list. we are a few away from a re-make of the 1970s.
possibility that don mcgahn might be able to change the comey versus trump story from comey's word versus trump's word to trump's word versus comey's word plus possibly something from don mcgahn. >> 100%. but first a word about that tweet. it is inconsistent with the facts and inconsistent with american values. that's not a partisan statement. robert mueller volunteered for vietnam, was wounded in combat, led the fbi after 9/11. there are prosecutor ons that team with sterling records. got so far into their skin they threatened to kill him. he had 24/7 security for a year. these are public servants who have given over their careers to serving the american public and bringing people to justice. donald trump may not like what they are doing, but he is sounding like every politician i have ever reported on who has been under criminal investigation by the fbi. you are absolutely right.
don mcgahn can be a crucial witness. and this story in the washington post where sources are suggesting he didn't incriminate the president, i read that as this is the giuliani philosophy that the president can't obstruct justice because he can fire whoever he wants for any reason. i don't think that robert mueller believes that or legal experts believe that. if he fired comey for corrupt reasons, if he asked comey to go easy on flynn for corrupt seasons and if mcgahn can help mueller establish that, that's obstruction of justice. you can't charge a sitting president, but i think we are moving towards a comprehensive report that will go to congress that may be more damning that we can imagine sitting here right now. >> i'm glad to you went back to the president's tweet. which is just the most disgraceful thing that this president could possibly say about bob mueller as a person. if he wants to criticize his
around him to get rid of jeff sessions or was moving forward with a plan to fire jeff sessions. all of that i i have is deeply relevant. the bizarre thing about this, lawrence, is, you know, the white house could have asserted executive privilege, and they could have at least tried to prevent some of this interview. they may have lost, but they could have strung it out. they didn't do that. and that went to the earlier legal strategy of donald trump's former lawyers to fully cooperate with the mueller investigation and -- and also according to the new york sometimes mcgahn deciding he felt that trump was setting him up to take the fall. he was going to go in there with his lawyer and tell mueller everything. and do 30 hours of interviews. we heard steve schmidt today who said i know don mcgahn very well. i have an office next to him. he is not going to go to jail and be disbarred for donald trump. >> that seems to be the
consensus from people that know don mcgahn. when we come back, michael cohen is reportedly being investigated for bank fraud, $20 million of bank fraud. so does that make michael cohen $20 million more eager to cooperate with federal prosecutors and tell them everything he knows about donald trump? later in the hour, the woman married to the biggest cyber bully in the world, david little speaks today about cyber bullying prevention while her husband was cyber bullied. i don't want to ruin the suspension by telling you who those two people are, so you are just going to have to stick around to find out. introduced u to my parents. psst! craig and sheila broke up. what, really? craig and shelia broke up!? no, craig!? what happened? i don't know. is she okay? ♪ craig and sheila broke up! craig and sheila!?
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reviewed the transactions include that mr. cohen used 32 taxi medallions as collateral. they were valued at $1 million each and generated $1 million a year in income. michael cohen's partner in the taxi business is already cooperating with federal prosecutors and an accountant who worked for both has testified before the grand jury in the cohen case. "the new york times" reports if michael cohen becomes a cop wop rating witness, it would likely include a provision that mr. cohen also provide information to the special counsel, robert s. mueller, iii. joining us now michael daley and ron is back with us. the taxi business has been a cash business for a very long
time. the one thing that can be much dirtier than commercial real estate in new york, the taxi business. so it's starting to feel like michael cohen has a 20 million more reasons now to cooperate with special prosecutors. >> i thought it was good news for him. they talked about many crimes. i mean, this narrows it down to a few multimillion dollar crimes. if you start looking at the taxi, the first guy who he is business partners with, he had a problem because he was charging fake late fees. the only winner in the whole trump russian saga so far is freidman. it looks like he was going to go to state prison. all of a sudden, hey, i can give up michael cohen. >> luckily for him there is something more interesting
because of the trump investigation. ron, the president of the united states could be in very big trouble because of the taxi business in new york and his buddy michael cohen drowning in legal problems because of it. >> yeah. i mean, michael cohen turns out to be a crook. who could have seen that coming, huh? i think it is true, lawrence, that he could be in trouble. but i think even truer is he may already be in a lot of trouble. we are focussed on whether or not michael cohen will offer additional evidence to special counsel. we need to remember that the most important evidence michael cohen probably has is those millions of pages of records that bob mueller already has. and a special master looked at and set a few aside as being looked at by attorney-client privilege. they're not going to have all the different ways it could be impeached. so i do think it is an
interesting issue how much farther michael cohen does go, does he flip? but mueller may already have in his pocket most of what he wants from him. >> ymore of those guys cracked than you can remember. >> joe macina, toughest guy that ever lived, never be a rat. him, him, him, him. >> here is donald trump today tweeting about who is going to be a rat in his world. >> the thing that's interesting, the president of the united states is supposed to stand for justice. and, you know, rats are people that are leading you towards justice. he's calling you a rat. but how can a guy be a rat if he's not giving up something? you can stop someone in the street and say, are you going to flip on trump? there is nothing to give.
but all of a sudden, there is this kind of implicit thing that there is something to give up. >> yeah. and, ron, what about that? it is not -- you're saying it is not clear to you that michael cohen has enough of value for robert mueller. >> as i said, i think the files are the big thing. i think the records are the big thing. they're reliable. they're provable. he may well have for. we talked about his role in the payoffs to women who like stormy daniels who allegedly had a relationship with donald trump and there is a lot of things there. were there federal campaign finance violations involved in that and the way that helped the trump campaign? what i think you see is we have the white house counsel offering evidence against trump. you have now his personal lawyer offering evidence against trump. and these people, they wouldn't have anything to say if there weren't criminal activity. if there wasn't something they were trying to protect themselves from because of what
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do whatever. i could run it if i want. but i decided to stay out. i'm totally allowed to be involved if i want it to be. so far i haven't chosen to be involved. i'll stay out. today the president is back on the attack against his own attorney general, who he has publically urged to quit and privately attempted to fire. in one tweet, the president referred to jeff session's justice department with the word justice in quotes. in his interview fiew today, th president did not rule out tripping robert mueller of his security clearance. the president said, i haven't given it a lot of thought when asked about mueller's security clearance. today more than 175 former government officials signed a statement in support of former cia director john brennan after the president stripped his security clearance last week. yesterday john brennan repeated what he told rachel maddow
friday night. >> well, i have been contacted by a number of lawyers, and they have already given me their thoughts about the basis for a complaint, an injunction, to try to prevent him from doing this in the future. if my clearances and my reputation as i am being pulled through the mud now, if that is the price we are going to pay to prevent donald trump from doing this against other people, to me it is a small price to pay. i will do whatever i can to try to prevent these abuses in the future. if it means going to court, i will do that. >> and in a footnote to "meet the press" yesterday, just when you thought rudy giuliani was beyond parody, he found a way to parody himself. >> look, i'm not going to be rushed into having him testify so that he gets trapped into perjury. when you tell me that, you know, he should testify because he's going to tell the truth, that he shouldn't worry, that's so silly because it's somebody's version of the truth, not the truth. he didn't have a conversation --
>> truth is truth. i don't mean to go -- >> it isn't truth. truth isn't truth. >> joining our discussion, a conservative opinion writer at the washington post and an msnbc contributor and host of deep state radio. and jennifer, we could have a new special prosecutor of donald trump. that would be donald trump when he takes over the investigation of himself. >> by the way, my favorite part of that "meet the press" interview was chuck todd putting his head in his hands as if i couldn't have written this. my god, what are you saying then? this is trump's craziness. on one hand we can laugh at it because it is so absurd and so contrary to the way our government operates. in another way it is very telling. we keep looking for the obvious. it is hiding in plain sight. trump thinks he can use the
justice department as his personal lawyers to protect him. it comes out in these tweets. it comes out in the way he talks about mueller and the way he talks about jeff sessions. so, yes, it is very amusing because it is so crack pottish and so evidently trump, but there is a serious side to it, i think. >> and david, the president can fire the attorney general. he can fire the deputy attorney general. he can pretty much rip that investigation apart. >> yeah, sure. he can do that and of course that's what's troubling about having a president who is as cray as trump is. abnormal has become the new normal. every day we have not one, not two, but half a dozen things. you didn't list the fact he said he kind of likes kim jong-un and he'd like to meet with kim jong-un. we didn't talk about the fact he thought manafort was a good guy and that was a horrible thing that was being done to him.
every single day he violates norms. but i think the thing that we need to keep in mind as we look forward on this thing is that some day we're going to be looking back at all this and saying these were the good old days. these were the days when the pressure wasn't high. there wasn't a democratic congress that was running 11 investigations and looking at his books. his son wasn't in the dock. his daughter wasn't in the dock. his son-in-law doesn't in the dock. when that pressure builds up on him and god fordid we have some kind of international crisis, which we haven't had, this kind of level of craziness is going to look good by comparison because the guy is clearly losing his grip. >> and jennifer, we saw the tweets get more hysterical as the pressure builds. he's just like a machine that way almost. when t"the new york times" come out and reports that the white house counsel is cooperating, we
see the president going into hysteria. >> he cannot help himself. there is no grand strategy here, folks. the notion he's playing three dimensional chess or five dimensional chess is ridiculous. this is his crazed, confused thinking. this is his anger. this is more helpful probably than anything other than putting him under oath because it is the real trump. >> david, john brennan publicly allowing for the possibly that he's considering what to do legally in terms of suing about the loss of his security clearance. not for himself as he puts it, but possibly to establish a precedent about this. rudy giuliani out there tonight saying please sue. the president taunting today saying we want him to sue so that we can go into discovery against him. it would be a complicated issue for john brennan to decide to do this.
>> well, i think it might be a complicated issue. but of course there are traditional processes filed for removing people's security clearances both within agencies and from beyond agencieagencies. they involve due process and moving there is some kind of national security issue that's come at stake as a result of it. i think the burden of proof on the president and the accusers of brennan would be more difficult than it would be more brennan, who is one of the most distinguished public servants we have had, one of the really outstanding leaders the intelligence community has produced and is absolutely a political actor. this is a guy who simply has devoted himself to u.s. public service for the past 25 years. and, so, you know, i think rudy giuliani again, that was another unhinged tweet that's a parody of a parody. i don't think rudy giuliani wants to get into that fight because it won't just be
brennan. it will be the entire intelligence community that's going to line up behind him because they see this as a threat to the independence of the intelligence community, which is a threat to u.s. national security. >> and john brennan probably served three republican presidents, three democratic presidents. he has in his professional life no partisan history whatsoever. >> you have a long list of people who are everything from congressional medal of -- not medal of honor, but presidential med doll of honor recipients, presidential medal of freedom recipients, people that have been honored by west point. he wants to take away all of their security clearances. but i think this is important for another reason. and this is because it is the pr practice for when he decides to do this to mueller. it is important the intelligence community speak as one voice. that congress, if they could ever get their act together, if republicans ever decide to show
any spine whatsoever, not likely for but democrats to get their act together. if he goes down that route, then we really are at a constitutional crisis point. it is important to speak up now. it is important for the intelligence community to really not tolerate this whatsoever. and you do see just these people moving forward. so they are certainly showing their patriotic stripes by not responding to an attack on an individual or from an individual but standing up for american principles, for democratic norms. what a concept. >> thank you for joining us tonight. and when we come back, melania trump actually said this today. we share one goal, to pave a smooth way forward for our children. but she certainly did not mean the 565 children who still
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they said headlines, maybe she came in illegally. maybe. let me tell you one thing. she has got it so documented so she's going to have a little news conference over the next couple of weeks. i love it. i love it. they said, melania trump may have come into our country illegally and how would that be for donald trump? >> she's going to have a little news conference over the next couple of weeks. that was two years and 11 days ago. donald trump knew that his campaign supporters harbored many hatredhatreds. but the one hatred that all supports seem to share enthusiastically was hatred of illegal immigration, hatred of the people that donald trump
said came into our country illegally. so when reports came of melania trump coming in illegally, he said she's got it so documented. and then melania trump remained absolutely silent about her immigration history and her immigration documents. the next couple of weeks passed, and she didn't say a word about her immigration history. but finally today, two years and 11 days after donald trump made that promise, melania trump finally stepped up to a microphone and said this: >> good morning. it is great to be here with all of you today. i'm honored to open this important summit on cyber bullying prevention. and want to start by thanking each of you for your commitment to the topic.
>> and so once again the only first lady in history who, in donald trump's words as he put it two years ago, quote, may have come into our country illegally still has not had that little news conference that donald trump promised where she would reveal all the details of her immigration history and put out her immigration documents, showing to us she didn't come here illegally or work here illegally ever. today she spoke for four whole minutes of cyber bullying prevention. she read words that were written for her by her staff. so she never mentioned the biggest cyber bully in the world. she never offered her perspective on how you bring up a 12-year-old boy in an american household with a 72-year-old father who is not just a cyber bully but is the biggest cyber bully in history. no president in our lifetime has
been better at publically ignoring the first lady than donald trump. he won that title on the first day of his presidency by forgetting about his wife as soon as he arrived at the white house. and he did it again today by not just completely ignoring that his wife held a public event today, something she almost never does, but then by publically violating the principals that his wife was talking about today, by spending so much of his day after her speech trying to cyber bully everyone from a former cia director to the current special prosecutor to thousands of people working in the justice department. so today the first lady read a very short statement about cyber bullying and the president spent his day cyber bullying. and neither one of them did a thing for the 565 children still
in president trump's custody after being ripped out of their parents arms at the southern border. neither one of them have done a thing for those children, not one thing. they haven't helped reunite a single child with a single parent. >> we share one goal, to pave a small way forward for our children. >> how can she say that? how can she say those words, a smooth way forward for our children? she supported the presidential campaign of the man who was already the world's biggest cyber bully. she supports the presidency that has ripped thousands of children from their parents arms at the southern border, thousands. she supports the president who ripped those families apart because he said they came here illegally. and she has never proven beyond
a reasonable doubt that she first came to this country legally and worked in this country legally when she began working here. she has never proved that. there won't be a smooth way forward for the 565 children still in trump custody because melania trump's husband has deported 366 parents of those children. melania trump's husband has completely lost track of 26 of those parents and has no idea how to reunite those parents. melania trump's husband forced 154 parents to sign away their rights to be reunited with their children when those parents did not know what they were signing. >> we share one goal: to pave a smooth way forward for our children. >> melania trump has done nothing for our children. nothing. and donald trump has done far
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and harmful when used incorrectly. >> and jennifer rubin is back with us. and we don't know what was written on the back of the first lady's coat when she was saying that today. but we do know she wore the garment saying i don't care when she went to the southern border. she seems to have proven that since her return. here she is worried about cyber bullying and not expressing one word of concern about the children who are in trump custody. >> correct. and of course, as you said earlier, not paying one whit of attention to the worst cyber bullying of all who sets an appalling example for all of us. maybe she should talk to twitter and ask them to take bullies off their platform. that would be helpful. i think the problem i have with melania trump is being a nadhel
for others and she has done nothing. this platform, this was one little white house event in the rose garden and she comes and gives this ridiculous four-minute speech. she's not doing anything for america. you look at all the first ladies that preceded her. barbara bush, where it was laura bush, on literacy, the obamas and specifically their work with veterans and their families. every first lady has championed causes. every first lady has done good. what has she done? virtually nothing. and they say, she is a private person. you know what? she now has an obligation to do good. when you get to that position, i don't think you have a right to stay home and have silly little press conferences like. this i think it is time for her to get active and for her to show some public mindedness. i will say that she did decide to take her first public trip and maybe this is a little bit of trolling. she decided to go to africa.
which her husband once described as a bunch of s-blank, blank, blank countries. so perhaps that's a little kneedling on her part. if she comes one something remotely in the realm of what for example president bush did with respect to aids, i would be stunned. these people are about empty gestures, themselves, and they're fundamentally selfish people. >> the announcement of the trip, it was an announcement of a trip to a continent. i'm not sure the first lady's office knows that africa is not a country. when these trims are announced by previous white houses, they announce countries. they don't say a trip to europe. they don't say a trip to asia or south america. they announce specific countries. i'm not sure this first lady's office knows any countries that they could name in africa. thank you very much for joining us. tonight's last word is next. hundred roads named "park" in the u.s. it's america's most popular street name.
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firing. he was there shoaleder to shoulder he doesn't know what mueller knows. it seems implausible to me that he doesn't provide factual material that's illuminating about the president's state of mind. so i think raeurlts little bit over confident to be saying that at this point. >> but the real question is why would trump's lawyers not debrief mcgahn? the white house counsel has given 30 hours of interviews. much of which the trump legal team is in the dark with. >> it's like a book on tape, isn't it? that's a lot of testimony. the white house got nothing out of this in return for letting all of these people submit to interviews. you would have thought that they would have at least negotiated, been able to debrief everyone.
strategy? >> let's go back to the question of whether or not he incriminated the president. the president seems not to understand that mcgahn is not his personal lawyer. so you think about the kinds of things that might have been toads mcgahn under the misapprehension that he was his personal lawyer. and at time when they didn't think obstruction of justice could possibly be a crime. that was their view then and now. and i take harry's point that it's almost like mcgahn can provide the frame twaorbg which other details can be placed. what were the nature of the discussions before and after the comey firing? who set up the meetings with the russian ambassador shortly after the comey firing. even if he doesn't directly say
"x." it can be inferred next to what other people are saying. the failure to debrief suggests they did not understand what was going on here and that suggests there may have been admissions made. but we really don't know. >> hang on one second. i asked this question in the last hour. do you think it's finally starting to settle in that the president is realizing don mcgahn is not his personal attorney, that he represents the office of a the presidency? >> now that we're talking about why mcgahn had no defense to talking to mueller. have raised executive privilege issues. but he actually has no attorney/client privilege because he's not in a privilege situation.
i'm interested in what came out when the president didn't know that people were listening. >> interesting. go ahead, jack. >> to your last point there, they not only didn't raise executive privilege, they pretty much waved it. so i think it's going to be very difficult for them now to reel this back in. the other thing i wanted to mention was the initial reporting the new york times about mcgahn's providing testimony indicated he was doing so because he was afraid he was be set up. that speaks volumes. clearly somebody who feels they might be set up thinks one or more people in the office in which he works, that is to say in the administration, has exposure, legal exposure and he wanted to make sure he was not the one hold thing bag. >> which was the motivation for dean coming forward.
wasn't that the motivation for john dean coming forward during watergate? >> yes. >> did you say something was pausesable or not possible. what were you saying? >> i was agreeing with jack that there's no way -- this really is the legal gang that couldn't shoot straight from the top. first of hrf nancy's 100% right, no attorney-client privilege. they could assert it could be overcome. but now that heicides it, the notion they can expost facto try to reel back in the testimony, i was just a -- >> there's no way the legal -- >> the stuff that's been used is waved, yeah. >> so listen we're learning federal prosecutors are preparing charges against
long-time attorney and fixer cohen. they've been investigating tax fraud and hush money to stormy daniels. what should trump be most concerned about? >> well, i mean what do you have to be most concerned about is cohen looking down the barrel of sear charges. ied a not brought by the special counsel. so no matter what happens to mueller or sessions or rose stein, these kinds of charges would continue. so if cohen is looking down the barrel of the gun, what will he do or say visa sraoe the president? >> i want you to check out these legal headlines. mcgahn talks to mueller's team and white house doesn't know what he said. we're expecting a manafort verdict any day.
are the walls closing in on this president? >> certainly if he's reading headlines like that, he must feel like they are. rudy giuliani, you feel like they are. you don't get this excited rhetoric unless you have cause for grave concern i think. stkpwhrrs thank you all. >> this is timing. mueller wants something now in advance of the election, substantially advance of the election. when we come back silence his critics by revoking their security clearances. the behind-the-scenes battle when they tried to restrict obama's access. when i received the diagnoses,
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clearances of more former intelligence officials after doing just that last week to former cia director, john brennan. the new yorker is reporting aids considered form orficials under president obama to be powerful enemies whose clearances should be canceled. and as trump stepped up his public and private attacks on obama, some of the new president's advisors thought he should take the extraordinary step of denying president obama himself. i'm going to bring in now cnn contributor, the author of "the threat matrix inside, robert mueller's and the war on terror." and one who re -- the augtser of "the president's book of secrets." welcome to the program. so david, you first.
deny president obama intelligence access? that would be unprecedented, right? >> it certainly would be strange for this presidency. this happens on every front on every day. the fact that he would look back at obama and say let's cut him out of something, it doesn't surprise me. it does help undermine one of the arguments about the letters on former national security officials which is that it is all about the fact that he violated some aspect of the security agreement because there's been no evidence about that from john brennan no evidence in this story or have heard otherwise that barack obama had somehow violated the norms of presidental behavior or what it would take to get a security clearance such that remove thing standard practice of providing ex-presidents would
have to be ended. i don't know where that came from other than spite. >> of obama administration officials. but h.r. mcmaster stopped it. what is the reason former administration staffers get keep their clearance? >> i think it made it clear these were staffers who were essentially held over, staying in some of their jobs as directors, possibly senior directors. and in that case, that's for continuity of government. so you have people that know what's going on internationally. it's also possible some of the people were senior officials, like we've been talking about with former cia directors. that you might bring people back
in for consultations. you can give them information on a spot on base but it's much more efficiently to have those conversations more easily. >> the president told roeuter's he hasn't give an lot of thought of revoking robert mueller's security clearance. >> i can't fathom that would be something that we would actually see happen. it seems there would be no clearer way to obstruct justice than to obstruct justice which would be what you were doing if you tried to pull robert mueller's ability to do classified intelligence as part of a classified
counterintelligence investigation -- >> how many times have you said i couldn't fathom this would happen and then it happened? >> that's been almost the daily of this president. and why john brennan? why james clapper are speaking out in the way that they are? admiral when he came out last week asking the president to revoke his security clearance so that he could be on record as against this administration. i mean that was a phrase and a public action i never thought i would see from someone like him. and these are not men who scare easily, cry wolf and the fact
let's be honest that's what this is, does that also pertain to the truth to power that intelligence analysts are trained to deliver to policy makers? if you have to go to the president of the united states and you have to give him a message you know he doesn't want to hear, are they going to hold back for fear of being punished for giving an uncomefort blg truth to the president of the united states? the intelligence community will be undermined completely if this goes down that slipry slope any further. >> "to john brennan today president trump granted my request to handle your case. it would be just like obama's red line. come on, you're not a blowhard?"
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claims by former aid, omarosa, that he used the "n" word while taping "the apprentice." you were actually on with omarosa. >> i was on with "o". >> did you lose because oher? >> i don't blame her for that. i've gotten over it over the last 15 years. >> just for transparency we discussed this and there are some things you're comfortable talking about, others do not. let's just start right off. you said if you had heard him. you're not saying that you didn't. but if you had heard himself -- >> i would have had to say meet me outside. i know he's the president now, but if somebody's going to call
you that, you're going to have handle it in the appropriate matter. it's about the fact that even if there is a tape that says kwame jackson, left, right, in the middle and what i learned from the election is that racism, bigotry, xenophobia, homophobia, are not disqualifying factors to becoming president of the united states and that's what broke my heart in the election. we stand up and say president of the -- and you wake up election morning and you say people will look the other way on things he that are supposed to be fundamental disqualifiers. >> so you're saying it doesn't matter. if he says it or not -- >> that you're not going to walk down and say oh, my god the word
of god has been revealed to me. they're not al capone's closet. i think it is a sad state of affairs. intreupbzically in our history, this history of slavery, of jim crow of just pernishes behavior against all types of others and that's something we never really addressed as a nation and they just want to look the other way for great economic numbers. my 401 k went up 3%. >> actually there are studies that show the whole thing about the economy -- >> economic anxiety. that would happen in starbucks. charlottesville. you will not replace us.
>> that's economic anxiety. so what's happening is clearly about race. i'm just wondering what that says about our society and culture -- there was a state senator who said it wouldn't make a difference if he used the word because he didn't use it as president. it's odd. >> and the funny thing is -- and i talked about this before that, the "n" word is not the only litmus test for racism. it's not standing in front of someone's yard with a cross and now you're racist. there data points that lead up to that that we know within his presidency and long history. >> have you heard of any other people who worked on the show or with the show the president using -- on the donald trump. >> i've heard from producers and other contestants that these
tapes exist and i've done my part to look up those tapes and see what could come of that but really nothing has come of that so far. >> last week the producer called him to say there were no tapes of him using the "n" word. do you think he would call him to say something he would already know because me didn't stay? >> i think there has been lots of opportunity for my producers and people to step up and i know in the long arc of heursry, like people favoring the confederacy, that they're going to look really staoup id. >> you say you've gotten over the last 15 years. you didn't win the apprentice. trump felt like you should have fired omarosa from your team. >> and that was probably true. >> watch this.
>> kwame, couple of things bother me and bother me big league. omarosa lied to you. she deceived you. and not only once but twice. why didn't you fire her? >> at that time i didn't know that was an option and i had a job to get done. >> i don't like just moving them over. i like firing them. >> so when the president deceives us, should we fire him? take action? >> but he kept hiring her. >> yes, he did. over and over on multiple shows. she's been a fixture in his administration for the last 15 years since "the apprentice." i don't look the other way on her menstrual behavior. as she has basically gone out and done this buffoonry dance
for amare a a. as one of my friends told me it takes a crook to catch a crook and that's how the mafia thing works. so god bless her but that does not discount her behavior or being for this president. it's like celebrate thing arsonist now that they become a fireman. i think -- i know there's scuttle but that omarosa could possibly bring down the president and i'm all for that but i think you should have never helped him become president. you should have nevered a srabgted against your own people as the minister of african american affairs and to say this is a come to jesus moment for omarosa and she can come back to the fold and get invited to the barbecue again, it's not working for me. >> are you like oh, this is like
the political version of -- >> i call it america's addiction to junk food. president trump is junk food. we all like cheese burgers and fries. but if you eat them every day, guess what happens? you get a president like trump, diabetes, all kinds of problems. i understand people like the bright shiny object, people like the see this whole big show but at some time we got to go deep and do exercise and not just eat junk food. >> he said i don't want to give a platform to something horrible and you want to elevate the conversation by doing what? >> for me this is about taking a stand and saying america, enough is enough about the junk food. there's a smart lady that once said when they go low, we go high and this is our time to go high. so this is not about me criticizing omarosa or bitter
about something with "the apprentice." these are the principals of our nation at stake. and these are the same principals when i warned america about where we were going in the process. and we're here again, we have another chance to take the high road, another chance to come together and i'm encouraging america to do it together. >> boom. >> you got to snap it out. you got to snap it out. >> thank you, sir. when we come back out of the white house but says he has no regrets.
white house after a investigation revealed he attended a conference frequented by white nationalists. he's listed as a speaker for the 2016 lincoln club conference, regularly attended by well-known white nationalists like richard spencer. let's discuss now. all are here. hello everyone, good evening. so before we talk about this former white house speech writer, i want to get your reaction to kwame jackson. he says it doesn't matter. doesn't matter. do you thing it matters, simone? >> don, i guess i agree that we don't need a tape. we have a tape from the white
house earlier today. but i guess -- we don't need the tape. but i think we should be concerned with is what is actually going on in the white house? the things that donden is not tweeting about like the judges, the cavanaugh nomination and on down the line. we don't need the tape because donald trump told us who he was a long time ago. >> he basically said what was happing in the white house. he said it was a menstrual show. >> i've said that. yeah, no, i've made that reference before and i think i called them political menstruals because this seems to entertain donald trump. i agree that if the tape exists that it would make a difference in a different way. i think during the 2016 campaign if that had come out after the "access hollywood" tape, it might have been too much for the country and republicans to
accept the country who openly said the "n" word and grabbing a woman by the genitals. today i've already heard trump appall jests saying it depends on what context he said it. no, it shouldn't matter what context he said it in. it's not acceptable at all. that makes me believe it's not going to matter to a frump loyalist, even though it's rr wrong. >> context wouldn't matter, right, scott? >> scott's one of the good ones. >> this tape would matter. i think it would be painel for millions of americans, including myself to hear the president of the united states say it on tape. we're speaking in hypotheticals, but to me what would matter more is how do you go to the american
people and say i'm sorry here's how it happened, here's why i is said it. frank lee to me almost would be more important than the tape can coming forward, because the president of all of us would have to explain and how he's learn and grown as a person. >> charlottesville is a perfect example of -- that's never happening. >> okay. listen. i really want to dig into this speech writer. cnn pf cnn's reporting he participated in conference with two former writers for the national review who were both fired for aspouzing racist views. what does that say about the trump white house vetting process? >> it's lacking.
i don't know if it exists at all. i mean i dent know if it exists at all. the additional questions i believe this raises is what kind of access did the white nationalists that spoke at this conference or maybe those that prescribe to a white premises ideology. what do they have -- what access do they have? as the made the to talking points, to concrete policy? have these had an audience with other senior advisors of the president? and the fact the white house didn't know until they did their reporting and asked about it should concern us all. >> or maybe they did know and they got caught. i'm worried i can't find a safe used car. you could start your search at the all-new carfax.com that might help.
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i'm back now with scott simone and tara. so when contacted by cnn -- we're going to continue our conversation. -- by cnn last week. his participation in the conference for several day late friday night told cnn he no longer waurbgs at the white house." attended the megan conference in question and delivered a stand alone academic talk titled the right. i said nothing ucjectionable and stand by my remarks completely. it" shouldn't anyone in politics know to avoid a conference attended by white nationals.
>> he didn't apologize for attend thing conference. the person that was named after, he once described jews as phrauzably the most unpleasant race ever heard of and called an educated black person as being a low cast man who will remain inert and inefficient until 15 generations of him lived in civilization and even then the white race will be 15 generations ahead of him. and this is who the conference was named after. the context is basically a bunch of academics who hide pwr hind academia to talk bute white nationalism. so the fact that he seems unapologetic about that is problematic. steve bannon who was a white nationalists. porter a wife abuser.
miller who has white nationalist leanings. now this guy. what is it about this administration that attracts them. he also got his dissertation on a german philosopher who was also a member of the nazi party. this guy is scholarly investigation and study. these are the kinds of people this administration is atrapbgting. >> washington post is reporting that beatty scott resisted the push for him to resign that ultimately led to him being fired. it's skpoezed to be extreme vetting for everybody. tprrsz do you think he'd still be working there if the reporting had not been surfaced? >> ocly because he was working there unhim the reporting was surfaced. it's interesting to hear he resisted his request for resignation. one of the things that should be
immediately clear is it's not about you, it's about the president, the institution, the office. and so when you do something or something surfaces that brings embarrassment to that office, you should have enough self respect and respect to the institution to step down. but the white house obviously forced him out, which was the right thing to do. i will say there's some amount of self reflection you have to do. and if you've done something in your past or been associated to something that could bring the president embarrassment, that's your responsibility to report that to your superiors. it sounds like this guy failed oen numerous fronts. >> and you think about this person irk withed for the white house. >> as a speech writer. >> one black person who worked for the administration.
but you have someone who participates in white nationalists conventions or rallies. >> unappall skwrtically still, still. >> i want to talk to first lady milania trump. its are rr not there. so anyway -- >> poor thing. >> let's put up the tweets. the president attacking the former cia director, john brennan, then he called john dean a rat. simone, take it away. >> you know some people today tried to paint the first lady asthma rackulous troller that sits in the white house and holds donald trump accountable with her action her words. i just -- i don't think so. i think the first lady should
start with her own household. my mother used to always tell me to take care off me and mines before i go out of the house trying to tell other people what they should do. cyber bullying is a real issue. bullying is a real issue. we should be encouraging everyone to bow the best srurgsz of themival ises. but milania trump is married to donald trump who has been the bullier and chief from the first day he strolled down the escalator by saying the mexicans are taking our jobs. so i do not understand how she finds it remotely appropriate or even feasible for her to have the best antibullying defense. >> no credibility ibthat area, sorry. >> thats trr for us. thanks for watching. our coverage continues.
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he said he believes he has the authority, for example, to fire rod rozrozen rosenstein. he can't technically fire mueller. he could push rosenstein to do it. rosenstein has indicated he is not going to do that. the president, though, could also try to essentially defang mueller. essentially take away his security credentials. something he did to former cia director brennan. he was asked about that in that reuters interview as well. he said he hadn't really given that a whole lot of thought. we try to drill down exactly what the president meant. the other big headline here is president trump seeming to indicate that he's now leaning against doing an interview with special counsel robert mueller. saying what his lawyers have been pushing for a number of day. that he's concerned about a so-called perjury trap. the president also neglecting to say again that russia meddled in
the 2016 election. instead saying this to reuters. the investigation played right into the russian's hands. so it's against that backdrop that president trump prepares to head to west virginia later tonight, chris, for a campaign rally. we could hear more about all of this at that rally, chris. >> we wouldn't be surprised if we did, kristen, thank you for that. let me bring in my panel. ned price, spokesperson under president obama. and mark thompson is a radio host with ziriosirius xm progre. let me play what giuliani said on june 3rd on "meet the press." he was talking about the possibility of president trump stepping in and ending an investigation like this. >> that's a very unrealistic thing. if you're asking in a theoretical sense it could lead to impeachment. i mean, if he terminated an investigation of himself, it could lead to all sorts of consequences. >> constitutionally, you're making the argument you think constitutionally he could. is what you're saying. >> i'm saying constitutionally,
it sure locks that way. >> so, ned, you've got rudy giuliani saying that we talked to a former federal prosecutor in the doj and asked him, he said the president could do it. he could step in. he said the question is whether it's lawful or does it have a corrupt purpose. and that question would likely be decided by the courts. what do you think is going on here? what's your answer to that question? could he stop it if he wanted to? >> well, yes, chris, both the feature and flaw of our system is that there is very little that is written specifically into the constitution, into law, into statute. much of this is based on norms. norms that are previous 44 presidents, all good people for the most part, have observed and adhered to. we now have a president who is willing to flout these norms. these norms of american society. this is the first time we found ourselves in this position. yes, i think technically the president could step in.
the fact, though, is he would probably do so in an effort to obstruct justice with malign intent to exonerate himself. so i think that is where this would violate what we have observed for the 240-some years of our republic. the other question is we have focused so much on the president's assertion he could run this investigation that we have overlooked his statement he has stayed out of it to date. and that is false -- >> we just played that sound of him. we could play, the entire hour, of sound of him talking about and criticizing this investigation. >> we have the mueller probe in the first place because donald trump fired jim comey with russia in mind. he's continued to harangue the prosecutions. he's tampered with witnesses by encouraging paul manafort to stay strong. >> not only that, but susan, just the idea, again, even if he
can do it legally if there aren't any strong restrictions on it. a president deciding to end the investigation that essentially is about his election. >> i think he would have a tremendous amount of backlash. even though the republicans have been hands off with this president, i think that's a bridge too far. i do not think he'll go that far. >> do you think he would do it? do you think he's just talking? donald trump likes to talk. he likes to talk about how much power he has. >> he likes to talk about how much power he has because he thinks it makes him look strong. like i can take care of this. in fact, it has the opposite effect. it makes him look weak and petty, that he's basically punching down. so do i think he would do it? if his back was against the wall, if they start finding out things and i think that's what he's most afraid of, you have the don mcgahn interview. you have omarosa with tapes. you have michael cohen looking to make a deal with tapes. i think this president is afraid. he's a cornered animal. and he will do anything to
he did not speak as donald trump's personal attorney and that's a very important difference. >> one of the things -- i mean, you know, the president said look, of course i said mcgahn should, you know, speak because i have nothing to hide. part of his whole feeling, you know, that he is in control. he wanted to make very clear that that was his decision. he also keeps talking now about taking away security clearances. he suggested even james clapper might be being nice to him because he wants to keep his own security clearance. he also tweeted about an interview that former fbi official phil mudd did on cable news. take a watch of this. >> when i am requested to sit on advisory board, let me ask you one question. how much do you think i'm paid to do that at the request of the u.s. government? give me one answer and you've got ten seconds. how much? >> i'll give -- i'll ask you a question. how much are you paid for exposing your contracting gigs, for being a --
>> i have no contracts with the u.s. government that pay money, zero. >> when you have a security clearance -- >> i have zero relationships with the private sector that involve my security clearance, zero. >> then the president who obviously was watching tweeted, just watched former intelligence official phillip mudd become totally unglued and weird while debating john brennan's security clearance. mudd is in no mental condition to have such a clearance, should it be revoked. besides, ned, just that that's how the president of the united states is spending his time watching cable and then essentially doing a live in time commentary on that. i mean, is that where we are? he's just picking people to threaten? does this support the argument he's using security clearances simply as a weapon against his critics, not because some of those people might, in so many way, be leakers or pose a threat to national security? >> yes. t the answer to that is yes,
absolutely, 100%. donald trump should be careful of having unglued and weird as the barometer for removal of security clearance. passion that phil mudd had dedicated, passion that phil mudd had channeled to service of his country over the course of deca decades. but what we've seen from the president is not an understanding that security clearances are not something that go only to your defenders, to your champions. these are what former officials have so that they can consult, they can share their knowledge, they can work and continue to work on the hardest, the most challenging problems we face as a nation with their current colleagues. with those who remain in the intelligence community. in the law enforcement community. but you're absolutely right. this president sees it as a political reward and he is seeing the removal of security clearance as punishment, as a chilling signal to all of those, all of those who would criticize him and who would find fault with what he is doing, and
frankly, that borders on autocratic tendencies. >> ned price, thank you. susan and mark are going to stay with us. up next, new evidence of russia trying to hack our political system. this time, targeting conservative think tanks who don't like trump. we'll explain what these hackers tried to do and how microsoft stopped it. but, first, remember, we talked yesterday about melania trump's speech on cyber civility? well, conan o'brien suggests one person should have been listening a little more closely. >> melania trump gave a speech denouncing cyber bullying. immediately yaafterward, presidt trump went on twitter and called her a loser immigrant. sleek de. performance. dependability is top on my list. well then, here's some vehicles that deliver on that. woah! wow. oh jeez! that's our truck! it's our truck! and they're our cars! that's my chevy! chevy's the only brand to earn j.d. power
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authoritarian regime. our guest is a national security robe reporter for "the post" and she joins me now. these hackers, i guess they are named fancy bear and they were named in the indictment last month, when he was talking about interference in the 2016 election. what have they been doing exactly? >> so fancy bear or apt-28 is a unit of the russian military spy agency gru, the gru. and they have been active for years and years in information warfare campaigns across europe, western europe, european europe and the united states. and they famously hacked into the democratic national committee in 2016 and as well as into john podesta, hillary clinton's campaign chairman, his e-mail account, and they famously dumped those e-mail also out into the public on wikileaks, which really through
the 2016 election in disarray. >> they haven't gone away? >> that's correct. we shouldn't be surprised they haven't gone away. we, in fact, been warned and told by intelligence officials for the last two years that they're not going away, that they're going to continue their efforts, and i want to at least make one point clear here. what they do is they do espionage as well as information warfare, which is weaponizing information they steal by putting it out into the public sphere, in a way that can embarrass a candidate or create confusion and discord. we don't know yet exactly what their goal was with this latest effort to create fake websites, mimicking conservative think tasks. perhaps it was straight espionage. perhaps it was an effort to see if they could find very damaging information, interesting
information that they could put out there to create more confusion and discord and perhaps to help president trump, but their ultimate goal is really to undermine u.s. democracy, u.s. values of openness, transparency and democracy and enhance the already existing divisions we have here in the u.s. society. >> so is it that our laws are not sufficient or haven't kept up with what's out there? the reason they're still operating, are they out-teching us? why have we not stopped them? >> first, part of it is what it is they're doing, the scope of their campaign. and secondly, it's not a problem that can be addressed solely by the u.s. government alone. in fact, a large part of the battlefield is in the private sector on the networks and on the pipes of private companies
or private sector companies, tech companies, where we as americans really don't want our u.s. intelligence agencies and law enforcement agencies snooping around and sitting on them and sniffing out threats. that would be considered, you know, an invasion of privacy and of civil liberties. so that's the scene that the russians have cleverly exploited in the last, you know, several years. knowing that the tech sector has traditionally been off limits to u.s. federal agencies and so they can sort of root around with impunity. what's good here, what's interesting here, is that tech companies are starting to fight back. microsoft has become much more pro-active and aggressive about discover, detecting, russian actors on registering fake websites, et cetera, and has taken actions to unilaterally take them down by transferring them over to their own domains. >> as we look at -- as we look
at how -- why they're doing this, these conservatives think tanks and groups, many of them have broken with donald trump and also criticized the kremlin. senator don mcgahn, mitt romney are on the board of the international republican institute. those are two men who have been very openly critical of the president. does that signal something or is it just impossible to know without going back to the source and figuring out exactly -- what do we summize from it? >> what's important to note, the russians aren't really strictly partisan in their campaigns. their overarching goal is to divide and conquer. is to foment confusion and doubt. and set one up against the other. and so they can do that by hacking into republicans and as well as hacking into democrats.
yes, these are conservative institutes whose board members have not been shy about voicing criticism of the president when they believe it's warranted or, for instance, the hud sson institute recently hosted the director of intelligence dan coats who learned about the lights are blinking red here in america. and, you know, the russians are the most aggressive actor in the space. and they are, you know, we could be -- we need to be very aware of and alert to any big cyberattacks coming. so yes, it's -- you know, it's hard to know whether they're going to -- whether they're planning to see if they could get information that they could find and put out into the public domain. maybe they just wanted to take information that could help them in their own espionage efforts, which is what spy agencies have been doing for millennia,
finding ought what their adversaries are up to. >> great reporting in "the washington post." and for another perspective on this, and why they're doing what they're doing, today on "andrea mitchell reports," andrea's going to talk to brad smith, he's the president and chief legal officer of microsoft, noon eastern, only here on msnbc. the latest presidential appointee to draw the ire of the boss, the chairman of the federal reserve. president trump says he's not thrilled with him. why that criticism could mean something for your 401k. but first, michael jackson's "thriller" just lost its title as the best selling album ever in america and it was knocked off the throne by the eagles "greatest hits." '71 to '75. they just took the title. they've sold that album 38 million times. can be relentless.
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institutional boundaries and allowed the fed to do its job. the president has input on the fed of course because he appoints members of the fed. the senate confirms them. but it's an independent agency and that's something that donald trump does not seem to understand or recognize. >> what do you make of the president, john, saying i should be given some help by the fed? >> well, chris, in every realm, we have seen that the president does not think or function like a mature public servant or like a grown man in general. this is somebody who responds moment to moment about what he thinks are in his best interests. he doesn't respect institutional boundaries. he doesn't respect principles. his thought process is more like that of a small child who in the moment, i want that cookie, i want, you know, that toy. and he doesn't think in terms of
deferred gratification or larger interests beyond himself. >> john harwood, thank you. the jury deliberating the fate of former trump campaign chair paul manafort is meeting right now, day four of deliberations. speculation that a verdict could be imminent, intensifying after the jury asked to stay late last night. arriving moments ago, manafort's lawyer seemed confident. >> good morning, everyone. >> how are you feeling going into day four of deliberations? >> feel good. feel good. >> delawnian is outside the courthouse. the jury asked to stay late last night. does that indicate they're close to a verdict? >> it could, because that's as close as they've stayed. apparently because one of the jurors had a child care
obligation. there's some speculation they're moving through chunks of the evidence and they wanted to finish something up. could be leading to a verdict or they could just be plowing their way through deliberations. after all, there have been more than 20 witnesses in this 11-day trial and more than 300 exhibits. if this jury decided to be meticulous about it and going through all the evidence, it's not abnormal that they could just be plowing through it right now. then again there could be one or two holdouts. there could be some tense discussions. we have seen jurors out cigarette breaks, a couple of them. one of the great factors of the american jury system. >> i know you'll keep us posted. thank you. it's a big day for the president's supreme court nominee with critical meetings on the hill. as we gear up for brent kavanaugh's confirmation hearing, he's got some help on the ground. i'll introduce you to a group hitting the streets, pushing for kavanaugh's nomination and
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high-stakes meeting, especially with collins. what do we know about what she's looking for today? >> susan collins wants to make sure kavanaugh is a qualified judge, not a partisan. susan collin, as you know, is a moderate republican who says she's not made up her mind yet over whether to vote to confirm kavanaugh. and that's why her meeting with him today could be the most important meeting of the entire confirmation process. a source close to kavanaugh says they know fully what's at stake here and, in fact, his entire rollout has in many ways been designed to appeal to collins. to show her he's someone she can support. now, kavanaugh's nomination has really set off alarms among progressive groups that he might try to help overturn or least try to curb roe v. wade, that landmark abortion rights case. collins has already been on the record saying she won't vote to confirm anyone who displays any sort of hostility toward roe v. wade and the state of play in the senate right now is if no
democrats vote in support of kavanau kavanaugh, then the republicans cannot afford to lose a single gop vote in the senate. >> then there was that memo released yesterday. it shows judge kavanaugh pushed attorneys questioning bill clinton back in 1998. what can only be described as pretty graphic questions about his sexual relationship with monica lewinsky. without getting maybe into too much detail, what exactly is in this memo and on the hill what kind of reaction is it getting? >> well, the thing to know is brent kavanaugh spent three years working for ken starr who was the independent counsel who investigated a number of scandal ans involving bill clinton. at the time, clinton was trying to avoid questions from ken starr. in much the same way that president trump is trying to do right now with the russia investigation. well, kavanaugh wrote this memo encouraging prosecutors to question former president bill clinton in graphic detail about his sexual relationship with lewinsky. a source close to kavanaugh says looking back he might have
changed some words at the time but he stands by the approach of trying to hold a president accountable for bad behavior. and that is newly relevant because if kavanaugh is confirmed, he could be asked to rule on issues surrounding the special counsel investigation and president trump, chris. >> jeff, thank you so much for that. also on judge kavanaugh's schedule today, senator claire mccaskill. a red state democrat in a tough re-election fight who faces mounting pressure from anti-abortion advocates to confirm that conservative judge. i traveled to missouri to meet with them. they think 45 years after roe v. wade, this could be their moment. in southern missouri, the t-shirts tell the story, "i vote pro-life." outside senator mccaskill's office, activists are sending her a message. >> i'm very proud to be here with pro-life generation. >> reporter: and this supreme court fight is just step one for the susan b. anthony list. a group that's been fighting abortion for 25 years.
>> we don't like abortion. we hate abortion. >> reporter: their ultimate goal, to overturn roe v. wade or at least effectively gut roe by passing state laws that, for example, restrict late-term abortions or require parental consent. so these activists aren't stopping at claire mccaskill's store. they've held rallies in indianapolis. in fargo. 29 rallies in all. targeting 20 senate democrats in states won by donald trump. this is what people who are opposed to roe v. wade have been waiting for, is that how you see it? >> yes, i think we have an incredible opportunity here to put a justice on the court who could potentially turn the tide of the court and open up the possibility of the states really being able to pass legislation that is reflective of the values of that state.
>> reporter: they're sending 500 canvassers into the streets. armed with lists of voters who likely support their cause, but usually don't vote in midterm elections. how much is this issue a part of your vote? >> the whole abortion issue, it's a lot. that is something that my wife and i both are against. >> reporter: they visited 1.4 million homes so far with a goal of 2 million by november. and while they're paid $10 an hour, sitting around a kitchen counter, it's clear they're not motivated by money but deeply held religious beliefs. you're all church going? >> yes. this seems to be a moment where people are recognizing that there's a lot of americans who are pro-life. >> are you more optimistic than you've ever been? >> definitely. >> this is the time. >> a lot of hope, you know, honestly for me when i voted, i cast my ballot for donald trump and he became president. >> reporter: polls show majority
of americans are for the right for a woman to choose. what do you say to them? >> polls lie. >> that's not what we found at all. >> reporter: and back outside canvassing, 45 years after roe v. wade became law -- >> kind of challenging sometimes. a lot of challenges. but it's worth it. >> reporter: optimism that their time has come. >> do you believe senator mccaskill should support kavanaugh's confirmation to the supreme court? >> yes. >> all right. that's a hopeful sign. >> my panel's back to react. mark, what's interesting, many things that's interesting to me is i've talked to a lot of groups that i thought would be heavily involved on the left in this fight against judge kavanaugh and privately many of them told me we don't know that we can win this one. has left from your perspective ceded this to the right? >> well, i don't know about that. i hope not. i think that two categories, the activism on left and then
there's the senate democrats. i'm not sure that either has ceded. in fact, you know, i'm still holding out for the extreme that no democrats will vote for kavanaugh. even go so far procedurally to break the core. i think they know the odds that we're up against. because rarely is the supreme court nominee not confirmed. it just so happens kavanaugh is ranked or his polling is right around where the last one we defeated was. and that was bork. which was a big victory in the reagan administration. reagan, who is a republican icon, we defeated him. >> it was a long time ago. >> it was a long time ago. >> and to sort of my anecdotal, and it's very anecdotal phone calling, there's new reports that they're vastly outspending liberals. on tv a lolone, conservatives h
spent $7.5 million. does money matter in this? >> it does when you look at the seven senators who are in trump districts who are up for re-election it does. and if they're putting a lot of pressure on through tv ads, that certainly can have a potential effect. >> what they're looking at is these are people who we know are on our side, but they don't -- we know that they generally don't vote in a midterm election. if we can get them out in those seven states, we could really do something. >> yes, and that's definitely part of the strategy. and that makes a lot of sense to do that. plus you also see that happeninging whhappen i when you go door to door, that's a lot to bring, they can look at it and assess it. i think at the end of the day, kavanaugh will get confirmed. and that shows that elections have consequences. just as there were democratic judges i didn't support, i supported barack obama's choice
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to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. hillary clinton is back in the spotlight and hoping to make an impact on november's midterms. the 2016 presidential nominee will headline three fundraisers for the dnc in san francisco, chicago, and new york. democrats are searching for any help they can get. so far in the 2018 cycle, the dnc has raised barely half of the $213 million that the republican national committee has raised. president trump keeps talking about the red wave ahead. my panel is back with me. mark, what do you think about hillary clinton?
can she raise cash? her being out there, does it ignite the right? >> she can raise a lot of cash. may ignite the right. i'm one of those who has always been uncomfortable with the demonization of the likes of hillary clinton and nancy pelosi. neither of them is under -- >> but they're using it -- the republicans are using it in ads. they're using it on the campaign trail. you could say -- >> they made an industry out of it. >> exactly. >> we can't feed into it. the american public has to realize the difference. neither of these women -- >> meaning what? >> in terms of democrats -- meaning democrats cannot -- >> hillary should not be out there? >> she should be out there. democrats should not feed into the negativity. the thing is, the american public has to be aware that neither of these individuals is under any type of criminal investigation. they don't have a special counsel. if donald trump can campaign for republicans, why can't hillary clinton and, for that matter,
barack obama, and everybody else, campaign for democrats? we absolutely need that. >> but the spokesman for the republican congressional campaign committee says, quote, the longer a scandal-plagued hillary clinton lingers in american politics, the worse off house democrats will be. >> you know what, at the end of the day, hillary clinton is going to raise money in new york, chicago, san francisco. she's not going out -- >> she's preaching to the choir. >> raising money. she's being used effectively. she's not going on the campaign trail in west virginia. there's a big difference. democrats are absolutely right to use her where they can. they need to raise money. she's an effective tool to do that. the hits -- >> here's what's interesting -- >> she'll take the hits no matter what. no matter what, she'd be front and center, like nancy pelosi has been front and center for republican campaigns in any district you want to look at, whether a midterm, a presidential, or dogcatcher race.
>> one of the things i'll watch for is this new versus old. the sense within the democratic party, not even necessarily that everybody has to go more progressive or to the left, but we need fresh blood, right? david hogg, the parkland shooting survivor who has been a political act rivistactivist, s, the reason republicans are successful is they're empowering younger people. older democrats won't move the expletive off the plate and let us take control. nancy pelosi is old. does he have a point? >> no. >> when you're that age, everybody looks old, as i recall. >> right. that's true. i'm surprised and a little disappointed that david would say that. you know, these are people who have served. we'll see, you know, there will be another election. if the democrats win the house, there will be another election for house speaker. there's no coincidence that these are also women. this is the year of the woman. it'll be as much of a pink wave
as there is a blue wave. i don't think it is a good idea to demonize women. they'd skacandalize republicans whoever was a democrat out in front. if clinton and pelosi disappeared off the scene, whoever stepped into the shoes would be demonized by the republicans. that's what they do. i don't agree with that. i think we have a process that is a fair process. i mean, she's not even been elected speaker and people are already doing that. that's what i mean by saying democrats cannot feed into the republican demonization and propaganda. >> mark and susan, thank you very much for being with us. we'll dig into the reuters interview with president trump with jeff mason, the reporter who asked the questions. tation . ooo that's good! i could put that on an airplane banner.
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he said that initially. they later reversed themselves and flynn was indicted for making a false statement to an fbi agent. >> but as point of fact, judge, he's told them things that were not true and things that he should have known and recollected in realtime. >> right. maybe he did. and maybe he did it because he thought there was some impropriety about having the conversation with kislyak. >> that's why sally yates, then at the a.g.'s office, then went to don mcgahn and said you better figure out what's going on with this. >> i don't think there was any impropriety in that conversation at all. in fact i think flynn would have been committing malpractice if he had not had the conversation with kislyak. he is the guy who was going to be the national security -- >> then why did he lie about it? >> beats me. >> that's a good question, no? >> it's an excellent question, but i don't know the extent to which he lied, whether he said the conversation never took place or what.
>> that's what the president said, that it didn't happen. comey apparently may very well have had a memo to the file saying it happened. people write memos to the file to serve their own interest. comey is not above that. >> isn't what they're worried about is putting someone we know who has a problem with abusing the truth, who has a problem with freelancing, who has a problem with sticking to what he is told to do and putting him across from people who would be uniquely motivated to point that out? >> i think what they're concerned about is the ultimate fact here, which is that this is not going to end in a trial. it's not going to end in charges. it's going to end in the house of representatives with an argument in favor or against impeachment. and the only thing he would be doing is providing grift for that particular mill. there's no legitimate criminal investigation going on here. >> well, that's an opinion. but the idea that he does nothing but add grift to the mill, i would suggest -- >> no. there is this legitimate investigation of people other than him, but there's no possibility of bringing a charge against him.
>> there is no possibility because the doj guidance. it doesn't mean that mueller's main probe responsibility is to get the facts and find out what happened. the president's part of that. and you say, well, why would he do it except to give grift to that mill, that mill being something nefarious in your perspective. i'm saying -- >> no, not nefarious. it's for inclusion in a report to the house. >> right. >> that can then be used to consider impeachment. why would the president walk into that? >> because of the truth. he says he wants to tell the truth. if he doesn't sit down with mueller and we have some type of objective body, which i hold out hope that's what mueller is. everybody loved him until this probe didn't start going the way the president likes. now all of a sudden he's suspect. but if he doesn't sit down, it will always be an open question of whether or not he was hiding anything from the american people. fair point? >> fair point. but i would -- sitting in the president's place, i would rather have an open question than have somebody who went to hillary clinton's party and cried when she lost make the
decision about whether i'm telling the truth or not. >> that's highly prejudicial, though. if you were going to say that he were lying even if it's just in a report, you've got a standard of proof. that's a crime, perjury. it's not just we believe comey, we don't like you, so we're going to believe him and not you. >> you give reasons why, but ultimately it's a credibility decision, and i wouldn't want the credibility decision made by the people who are staffing that investigation. >> you don't have any concerns if you were representing the president that he would be able to tell the truth in the chair? >> i would have his concerns about his tendency, as you put it, to improvise. of course i would have concerns about that. i'm rational. >> judge, thank you for your perspective. as we go through this process, i will call on you time and time again. >> love to come back. all right. in a new attempt to discredit mueller, the president says study the late joe mccarthy. does he really want to be making comparisons to mccarthy now? the truth is the truth, something that we actually have to say these days. next. what do you mean it's not working out, craig?
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to borrow a phrase from the bard, shakespeare, trump doth tweet too much. this latest set of salvos against mueller is the best proof yet that trump really thinks he has something to worry about. here is our latest raft of proof. 14 tweets. clearly these tweets were not guided by any steady hand. why do i say that? well, no one caught the repeated misspellings of the word counsel, and no one helped him avoid self-harm. the proof of that, mccarthyism at its worst, he wrote. right? here's the tweet. study the late joseph mccarthy because we're now in a period with mueller and his gang that make joseph mccarthy look like a baby. rigged witch hunt. if anyone in politics can claim the mantle of mccarthyism, it is president trump. let us remind ourselves with the men side by side, senator mccarthy was a demagogue. he relied on conspiracy theories
and xenophobia to motivate baseless allegations and generate fear. sound familiar? not to mention, do you know who mccarthy's lawyer was? roy cohn. you know whose personal lawyer he became? donald trump's. now, some more proof. just listen to how desperate the efforts are. it reminds me of groucho marx. who are you going to believe, me or your lyin' eyes? listen to trump attorney rudy giuliani this weekend on "meet the press." >> i'm not going to be rushed into having him testify so that he gets trapped into perjury. when you tell me he should testify because he's going to tell the truth and he shouldn't worry, that's so silly because it's somebody's version of the truth, not the truth. he didn't have a conversation -- >> truth is truth. i don't mean to go like -- >> no, it isn't truth. truth isn't truth. >> so what was that? was that a one-off, a misstatement, or is it part of a pattern of distortion and fabrication?
listen to this. >> you're saying it's a falsehood, and they're giving sean spicer, our press secretary gave alternative facts. >> in a situation like this, you have, over time, facts develop. >> what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening. >> if fact-counting is anything, we've never had any anybody with the level of mendacity that he has, not even close. >> it's in the eye of the beholder. >> no, facts are not in the eye of the beholder. >> yes, it is. >> i said it then. i'll say it again. facts are not in the eye of the beholder. the truth is the truth. each one of those, you take them in isolation, and could you explain them as something kind of innocent? yes, of course you could. i could do that very easily. but taken together, what do we see? the same mistake keeps being made. what does that mean? it's not a mistake. it's part of a narrative to put out there, and it's one of deception. the president saying what's being seen and written about is not what's happening. listen. it all matters.
there is no other reality than the one that we know because of what we can show. and if trump really wants to put an end to this, he can do it very easily. he could do it by demanding of himself what he has always demanded of others. sit down and state your case. no hiding. no pleading the fifth. in other words, let's get after it. all right. the president now says he can run the mueller investigation. can he? and what if he tried? what is behind the truth in this situation? is it the real truth or orwellian poppycock? that is the making of a great debate, next. i said it, poppycock. when i received the diagnoses,
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that's no good. the president's statement echos his attorney, rudy giuliani's, claim that truth ain't truth. bakari sellers, are you buying? >> well, let's just say first donald trump has had an allergy to the truth since as long as we've know him. a businessman, a candidate. we can go back to his inauguration where he said he had the largest inauguration in the history of the planet. we can talk about the fact that the best speech given at the rnc was actually michelle obama's speech performed by melania trump. we can go step by step and just show where this president has lied. and so sitting down with mueller is not something he should want to do. however, this is not a perjury trap. that's similar to my wife asking me, where were you last night? i can't say, i'm not answering that because it's a perjury trap. either you tell the truth, or you cannot tell the truth.
i'm not sure this president is equipped to actually function with just mueller and a few investigators because what he will do is lie. what he will do is deceive. what he will do is mislead the investigators like he misled the american public, and he's going to find himself with criminal charges. >> where were you last night? too slow. you're a liar. ken, let me ask you this. >> i was on the grill. i was on the grill. >> too late. you had to think about it. ken, the idea of it's not about mueller needing to trap the president. it's about the president trapping himself. that his guys are worried if you put him in the chair, you can't control what he'll say. he'll freelance. he'll abuse the truth, and when he does it in this context, it might be a crime. i know they're not going to charge him. i get all the doj guidance about indicting a president and all that stuff. >> right. >> but it's still bad. >> yeah, it's actually not -- those aren't exclusive, chris. it can be both, and i think from a legal advice perspective, it is both look, a lot of this discussion about truth we're hearing reminds me of the old saying of just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. they are, and that's the defensive mentality that
certainly trump's lawyers have taken and will continue. and i think bakari alluded to it. if i were on the trump legal team, i'd be advising him not to sit down with mueller for both of the reasons you started out with, chris. again, they're not exclusive of each other. and rudy giuliani very inartfully talked about who do you believe? in his example, is it comey's truth, or it trump's truth? and it's only one or the other. and -- >> you still have to prove it though, ken. >> you are correct. you are correct that there is an objective truth. something happened, and the american people as a general matter would like to know what those things are when it relates to their government. but let's not forget the people decide who's telling the truth. we don't get the god's eye view of who is telling the truth. >> well, that's not always true. that's not always true.
sometimes it's beyond a reasonable doubt, which by the way is a damn high standard. but, bakari, sometimes you will say one thing. i say another. one of us is right, and one of us is wrong. >> yeah, i don't understand where all of a sudden we don't know the definition of truth anymore. i think that ken is not quite portraying what this investigation actually is, and i think rudy giuliani, although he's really shown himself to be inartful and a poorly disciplined attorney who has no idea what the facts of his client's case are, what we're seeing right now is that this president, not only does he have trouble telling the truth, but he has trouble defining what truth is. i mean we live in a realm where we're talking about alternative facts. but in this case it's not just comey versus trump. i think that's where ken and the president and rudy get it wrong. it's not just comey versus trump. it's the words of cohen. it's the words of mcgahn. it's these investigators who
have been out doing their due diligence for over a year now. so it's not just one statement. they're taking a totality of statements, putting them together, and if five people say one thing, odds are that is the truth versus donald trump. you would take those five. so it's not just comey saying something, but it's his presidential attorney saying those things. it's cohen saying those things when he has an opportunity to sit down with the investigators. it's not one or the other. we don't have to make that choice. and truth is truth. i don't understand why this is such a difficult task that we're putting ourself under. >> ken, one of the things i'd love your take on is to the extent that this is true, okay, that the mueller probe made it somewhat clear to trump's guys, the legal team, that he's not a subject of the investigation, he's not a target of the investigation, they've interviewed dozens and dozens of people as far as we know. only a handful have they wound up catching lying in things because i think that's an important context for people because, you know, the trump team is making the supposition that anybody who goes in there, they're looking to get you and they're going to trip you up on your own words.
they've had dozens and dozens go in and didn't get charged with perjury. the idea if he goes in there, they're going to get him, that's more on him than it is on them. fair point? >> yeah, i don't think the assumption is if he goes in there, they're going to get him. >> that's all they say all the time, ken. >> certainly if you're a lawyer advising the president, your job is playing defense, frankly, and that would be, as i said earlier -- that would be my concern if i was advising the president. and, you know, you look at michael flynn. i think there are serious questions about whether he actually lied to the fbi. as we heard earlier in your show -- >> then why did he take the plea? >> for the same reasons that people like pat nolan and many others take a plea is they don't want to confront the potential alternative because the truth may not come out, and they know
it. >> wait, i don't understand. let's take one more bead on that. >> sure. >> and they cut their losses. >> i get that argument in certainly criminal situations where you know they're going to get you on something so you try and cut yourself a good deal. but the argument keeps being made on behalf of michael flynn, general flynn, that, you know what, he did nothing inappropriate. he should have had that conversation with kislyak. there's nothing wrong with it. well, then, why did he lie about it, and why wouldn't you go to trial and let that come out? >> well, i don't know that that was the decisive factor. i think remember in flynn's case, you had his son involved, and they were holding threats over his son over his head. that's a pretty common tactic. we'll drop all this stuff on all the people you care about if you just take the bullet. and, you know, that kind of tactic is not appropriate prosecution, but it is used. and from a prosecutor's standpoint, i've worked with prosecutors. i've managed prosecutors. sometimes they think that looks appropriate.
and the way this has all unfolded, there is at least some basis to be paranoid. look, paul manafort is finishing -- his jury is in the third day of deliberation. if there was going to be a colluder within the trump campaign, it was going to be the guy who for years worked with the pro-russian ukrainians, paul manafort. they've gone all the way through. they threatened him with everything they had, and there are no charges related in any way to the election, nothing. and papadopoulos, who we just saw the sentencing documents, you know, that came out from the prosecutor again. he's a big nothing-burger. >> listen, i get you. that's never been my bar as you know, ken. it's never been my bar is if you can't catch trump, then this probe is a waste. that's never been my bar. i'm saying, bakari, we're dealing with a guy in the man of
president trump who has said so many times over the years, you never plead the fifth. you never run and hide. if you've got something to say, you go and say it. and now he's not following his own advice. >> well, i think that's absurd. i think that sometimes it's in your client's best interest to plead the fifth. i think lawyers are giving donald trump -- not rudy giuliani, but lawyers giving donald trump sound advice not to sit down with mueller because they know their client. but to simply just say these are one-offs, i mean papadopoulos, let's talk about all of the liars that they have from the president of the united states, papadopoulos, michael flynn, rick gates, paul manafort, jeff sessions, melania trump and her plagiarism. i mean the list goes on and on and on. so this isn't a one-off. this is a culture in the white house. and so right now that culture is meeting the rule of law. and all donald trump has is his bully pulpit where he's going to stand up and say i'm going to take over the investigation. i'm going to do this. i'm going to do that. but the rule of law in this country wins. so we can have these asinine or absurd debates about what truth is.
to quote stephen colbert, truthiness. we can have all of these fickle debates, but the point is the truth is what it is. and donald trump and his white house have a culture of not telling the truth. when you sit down across -- because i've been in this room many times before -- across from a federal investigator, i remind my clients all the time. martha stewart did not go to jail for insider trading. martha stewart went to jail for lying to federal investigators. every single one of them who have been charged with lying, they are liars. and most times you go to jail for a year and a day for that. >> we'll end it there with one little note. i covered that martha stewart trial just about every day and there's another rule to that. when the prosecutors come to you and they want to make a deal and they want to talk to you, think twice before you tell them to get out and you're not nice. and that's another thing that's in play here too. what has he said about these prosecutors? what does that mean to the process? when we get more facts, come back and we'll go at it again. my next guest can go even
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hopefully life brought you something better so you didn't have to monitor twitter all weekend, but i have to tell you this was extraordinary. the president went after the special counsel with literally well over a dozen tweets. he then said he could run the probe himself, which is just, to quote former attorney general mukasey, zany. and he now seems to really be dug in about ducking the interview. but, wow, does he seem freaked out. let's figure out why. let's get after it with former trump campaign manager corey lewandowski. welcome back to "prime time." >> thank you, chris. great to be here. >> why so freaked out all of a sudden? >> well, look, i don't think it's freaked out. what i think it is, is the president and by and large the
american people are tired of an investigation which has proven nothing of collusion, cooperation, or coordination between the trump campaign and russians or anybody else for that matter and it's time to bring this witch hunt to a close. >> but then wouldn't you ignore it, corey? if it doesn't matter, if nothing's really coming out, ignore it. focus on all the great things you're doing. >> well, the president has done amazing things since he's been in office for the first 20 months. if you look at the unemployment rate, you look at the economy, you look at african-american unemployment, hispanic unemployment, women unemployment, young people unemployment, all at the lowest in recorded history. but this is something that's hanging over the administration, which should never have been launched, should come to a close. and, look, we've spent tens of millions of dollars of taxpayer
money on an investigation -- >> we spend tens of millions of dollars watching him play golf every weekend. the money is not the issue, corey. >> yeah, but chris, the issue is this. this mueller investigation has had the opportunity now to interview everybody, to talk to everybody. >> except him, except the man in the middle. >> but the president didn't do anything, chris. >> i'm not saying he did, but then why wouldn't he talk to mueller? how many times have you heard the president say, you see that guy plead the fifth? that means he's guilty. if you've got nothing to hide, you talk. how many times has he said, i want to sit down with mueller? so do it. man up and do it. >> i'll tell you this. i've spoken to the president on numerous occasions where he's told me he has wanted to sit down with mueller. >> do it. >> but he's listening to his attorney. >> since when? you don't think his attorneys tell him, don't tweet? you don't think his legal counsel are telling him to do things all the time that he doesn't listen? >> i don't actually think his attorneys tell him not to tweet. i think the american people love the way he works through twitter and his ability to go directly to them. but from a legal -- look, i'm not an attorney. >> i am. the tweets hurt.
>> if somebody asks me should donald trump sit down with robert mueller, my answer is absolutely not. >> why? >> there's no value to it. because there's nothing to sit down for. >> truth. truth, my brother. sit down and tell the truth. >> what are we trying to get to? chris, chris, what is it that we think that the president needs to answer that's going to demonstrate that there was some type of collusion when we know it didn't exist? >> why does that have to be the bar? why can't he talk about what happened surrounding the instances of what they want to construe perhaps as obstruction? why can't he sit down and ask questions about what he knew about the meetings that his son and son-in-law took. >> chris, chris, i can't remember ever barack obama sitting down and having a conversation or george w. bush ever sitting down and having a conversation about private matters or with a special prosecutor. >> we didn't have the russians knee-deep in our election and dozens and dozens of meetings between obama's guy or bush's guy, pick any guy, the way we've seen with this administration. >> look, it took a federal court order for bill clinton to be
required to sit down and have a conversation with ken starr and his team. they refused to do it without a federal court order. that's a fact. and donald trump has said -- >> no. he was subpoenaed, and it went away. clinton never required a subpoena to do it. >> of course he required it. they had to go to court to require the president to do this. >> no. the subpoena wound up going away. he wound up complying. now everybody is saying that was a mistake according to your legal reckoning. he should have never done it. so which is it? >> look, bill clinton was the former attorney general of arkansas, the governor, a yale-educated attorney, and he gets stuck on the word "is." he gets stuck on the word "is." bill clinton ultimately lost his law license for lying to the special prosecutor. >> so? >> under oath and was disbarred. >> right. >> on the word "is." if you are an attorney, why would you ever recommend to your client that you sit down and have a conversation that you're not required to have with a member of the opposite side?
>> corey, the argument that you're forwarding is no one should ever sit down with anybody and ever answer any questions because they may lie and they may get caught lying so they should never do it? is that a standard for the president of the united states, our highest elected official, a man who is supposed to be the paragon of integrity for his people. now he ducks and hides? >> chris, the standard is very clear. you listen to legal counsel who has expertise in the field that you don't. donald trump is not an attorney. he's listening to his legal counsel. >> he says he knows better than the generals. he knows better than the intelligence community. but now all of a sudden some lawyers tell him don't talk to mueller, and he forgets everything he's ever said about candor and truth before. >> well, with all due respect, the think the president has been a little busy denuclearizing the korean peninsula -- >> how are we doing with that by the way? i thought the threat was over. >> chris, you know what just
happened? >> what happened. >> u.s. soldiers' bodies were returned from north korea. that took place during the korean conflict. we finally get those soldiers back. that is a win for the american people. >> thank god for their families. thank god for the dignity of those men who served this country. it has nothing to do with denuclearization and don't do that. don't hold out their memories and their integrity of service and their families as a proxy for progress on what he was supposed to get done. it's about nukes, corey. >> a direct result of donald trump meeting -- >> he went and he hugged that guy who is an oppressive despot, who held those same bodies for years and called him a good guy. people love him. come on. >> one family member being returned home was a direct result of this president having a conversation with kim jong-un. fact. you cannot deny that. that is a fact. those bodies would never have been returned. >> look, it's good that he got the bodies back. of course it's good. that wasn't the purpose of the summit. give me a break, corey. it's about denuclearization. >> chris -- >> come on. >> don't you think that's an important step?
>> of course it is but i don't think it should be used as an excuse for getting nothing done with nukes. >> we're further along. >> and calling a guy who is a despot a good guy. come on. >> we are further along in denuclearization of the korean peninsula today than we have been in 30 years. >> the north koreans just called our proposals gangster proposals. that's good news? >> and look where north korea is. north korea is basically falling apart. they know the maximum harm campaign that we have put on them has hurt them economically. they have not tested a nuclear weapon or a test-fired a missile in nine months because this president has said if you do, there will be recourse. and the world is standing with us. great britain is with us. france is with us. other nations of the u.n. are with us to make sure that we keep north korea in check because of the leadership of this president. >> i'll tell you what, it is good to hear someone close to the president recognize that you do need your allies abroad to help you get things done. i'm going to end the interview on that, corey. >> of course. >> because it's a ray of light on a cloudy day. thank you very much for joining me on the show. >> thank you, chris.
>> i appreciate it. all right. melania trump, why is she pushing a message about bullying behavior and that it has to stop? she must know how hypocritical that sounds, not because of her, but because of who her husband is. he's the troll in chief. so what's going on with this mixed message out of the white house? d. lemon has a theory, next. ♪ let your perfect drive come together during the final days of the lincoln summer invitation event get 0% apr on select 2018 lincoln models plus one thousand dollars bonus cash.
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the first lady, melania trump, offered some wisdom today on the dangers of cyber bullying. she reminded us all of its, quote, destructive and harmful toll. she said, most children are more aware of the benefits and pitfalls of social media than some adults. don lemon, is she talking about her husband? >> i guess so. you know, i was in my office when you said my name. i had to run. i just blasted here on the set. >> i gave you a heads-up. >> it sounds like she's talking about her husband, especially after her husband -- what did he call omarosa? crazed, crying, lowlife and a dog. it sounds like she's talking about him because she said the internet can be used or social media can be used in positive ways but can also be used in
destructive ways. but it does sound like she's talking about her husband. >> it does, right? look, i don't know how else to take it. it doesn't make sense. i get boggled by a lot of things that happen in this white house, but you would never have her pick this. >> yeah. >> as a position with the president being the troll in chief the way he is. but then she wore that jacket on the way down -- and then that threw me for a loop because how could she wear that jacket? they said, well, she never saw the back of it. who sees the back of their jacket? that doesn't make any sense. in a world where everything is micromanaged, how do they take these positions? >> chris, look, you and i don't have secret service protection. a lot of people help us out. >> chris, look, you and i don't have secret service protection. a lot of people help us out. don't you think if i had a jacket on like that or you had a jacket on like that, someone would say to you, hey, chris, what do you mean by that jacket? what's going on with the back of your jacket? someone would say something. >> usually they're just telling me to put a shirt on. >> that part is true.
when you think about, it you know, when you talk to her people, her people will say, well, she's an independent first lady and we should be happy to have a first lady who's independent. the west wing and east wings are different and it seems different messages are coming out. especially, and i just want to tell you whauts whatt's on the tonight, the president called john dean a rat today. john dean is on the show and he's going to have a message for this president. i just want to tell you that. maybe she's independent, but i don't think the message is going across well. i think it's contradictory and i think she lost the moral high ground when she wore that jacket. >> that's the problem is it's a good message. but is it good in the context of who she's married to. so we just got this memo that was written by the man trump wants to be our next supreme court justice. he wrote questions to ask a president as part of an
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just to get you? that's the argument they're making for flynn. we have no reason they believe they want to do that. perjury is what they're really worried about, a material misrepresentation of fact for the purposes of deception. it's a crime. so the idea if they believe comey instead of trump and that's it, that's not it. it's a crime. they would have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. okay, now, i argue rudy uses this phrase because it's part of their narrative, if the president is being victimized. but what they're really worried about is perjury, that the president is going to do something to himself. he's going to freelance, he's going to go off script, he's going to embellish in a reckless way that will be abusive of the truth and in that context it could be a crime. the scenario they want you to accept, different stories, prosecutors like comey, prosecutors don't like president, and then they're going to get him for perjury.
again, that's not why it works. but the president blurted out today, even if i'm telling the truth, that makes me a liar. no, that's not the truth. and when rudy said the truth is not the truth, that's another riff on the same rubbish. that's not the way it works and rudy knows it. spernlg perjury is a crime, not a preference. you have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. now, did you see the memo that judge kavanaugh -- now judge kavanaugh wrote when he was working for ken starr for a different president, the questions that he wrote? the salacious and disgusting questio questions, that's what's going to be the headline. a lot of people are going to avoid them. not me. but not for the reason that you think. what came before it? this page. this is so meaningful. why? because kavanaugh was working for starr, and he was under attack by then-president clin n clinton. and they came to really resent what was being done and it
created a hardness and a harshness on the team. that's what rudy has reason to worry about, that a memo like this is sitting on mueller's desk right now. look at some of the things that kavanaugh -- remember, this is the man the president wants to be our next supreme court justice. this is what was coming out of him. we're not going to give him any break unless he resigns or confesses to perjury when he comes in. in the end, i'm convinced that there really is no reason to give him any slack. the idea of going easy on him is abhorrent to me. listen to the reasoning. what he is especially convinced me of, the appropriateness of obtaining his full and complete testimony. why? he goes on to talk about how because he's lied, he's lied to the american people, he's lieds to his aides and he has disgraced this office, it is independent counsel, the special counsel with the case of mueller, a sustained propaganda campaign that would make nixon
blush. now you get to the juicy bits. the seven out of ten questions he came up for president clinton are the most vulgar -- i'm going to block them in case my kids are watching. the most vulgar, what he did to monica, what he did to himself. before you get upset with me putting that hes up and find them offensive, those that think they are offensive think kavanaugh should be our next supreme court justice. he wrote these words. i'm using them because i want you to look at the form of the question. again, it's a window into what trump's team is worried about. if monica lewinsky says this, would she be lying? that's a specific way to ask a question, and here's why -- it's laying it out to a guy you already know what happens. don't try to control the narrative. if you deny what we know, you're
Analysis and discussion of the day's top stories and compelling issues from Lawrence O'Donnell.
>> joining us now intelligence and national security reporter for nbc news, politics editor at theroot.com and former chief adviser or al gore and a former senior aid to president obama. when a trump tweet ends with national disgrace, a tweet that includes a misspelling by the president, it reminds me of the days when misspelling was a national disgrace when done by the vice president of the united states, dan quayle on the word potato, days that no one can really remember at this point. here is the president -- and the only reason i read the tweet is to note the level of hysteria, which increases in direct proportion, it appears, to just how disturbed the president is by the news he's reading or being read to him in "the new york times." >> lawrence, you can almost say he was unhinged. >> you could, yes. >> by the way he seems to be
responding to these things. >> i have to say i have been avoiding that word since it became a book title. >> yeah. >> but it's a hard word to avoid. >> the dancing around has been very difficult given the president's actual behavior, yes. and this is a reflection of multiple things. one, again, 20-something years ago the president spelling something wrong in public and correcting a child was a week long news story. now we have a new controversy. if a scandal is happening, it might be a day that ends in "y" with this administration. you have a president who is constantly screaming and attacking an investigation as to whether or not he tries to stop people from investigating him. that's part of the issue. he is confirming everything that they're trying to find out about him. i will say this very quickly about don mcgovernment's exhibit ahn. he has a long exextensive history. this guy knows how to stay out of trouble.
and so he's definitely going to reveal whatever it is he needs to reveal to mueller because he has a career he wants to extend beyond what this presidency may be able to handle. >> the most important phrase that i have read in all of this reporting about the mcgahn interviews is "the new york times" describing that don mcgahn has given them the president's mindset, the mindset on the firing of james comey. >> yeah. >> and so that can change what rudy giuliani and the president are trying to set up as a he said/he said conflict, meaning james comey says the president said something to him about flynn and the president denies he ever said that about flynn. well, what if, what if there is someone else in the white house who can actually confirm that the president did say something like what jim comey says the president said? >> yeah, lawrence. you're absolutely right. this is a key thing. the hardest part of proving the
case is proving what the president did was with an intent to obstruct justice, to impede the investigation. and don mcgahn had a ring side seat for that intent and was involved in these various acts that trump did: firing comey, demanding that mueller be fired and actions taken against rosenstein. if you take a step back, you have got a white house counsel now talking to prosecutors. you have got someone running around that taped the west wing. you have a president with an enemy's list. we are a few away from a re-make of the 1970s. this looks like the nixon white house all over again. >> i want to go to something the president said in an interview with routers today. and the president arranged this interview. i think it is fair for us to consider that it might have been arranged in direct response to "the new york times" reporting
this weekend about don mcgahn's cooperation. the president is echoing something that rudy giuliani keeps saying relentlessly. this is about what they call the possible perjury trap. he says so if i say something that he, comey, and he, comey, says something and it is my word against his and he's best friends with mueller, so mueller might say, well, i believe comey. and even if i'm telling the truth, that makes me a liar, that's no good. now, ken, the don mcgahn reporting, as i say, interests me most when it comes to the possibility that don mcgahn might be able to change the comey versus trump story from comey's word versus trump's word to trump's word versus comey's word plus possibly something from don mcgahn. >> 100%. but first a word about that tweet.
it is inconsistent with the facts and inconsistent with american values. that's not a partisan statement. robert mueller volunteered for vietnam, was wounded in combat, led the fbi after 9/11. there are prosecutor ons that team with sterling records. got so far into their skin they threatened to kill him. he had 24/7 security for a year. these are public servants who have given over their careers to serving the american public and bringing people to justice. donald trump may not like what they are doing, but he is sounding like every politician i have ever reported on who has been under criminal investigation by the fbi. you are absolutely right. don mcgahn can be a crucial witness. and this story in the washington post where sources are suggesting he didn't incriminate the president, i read that as this is the giuliani philosophy that the president can't obstruct justice because he can fire whoever he wants for any reason. i don't think that robert mueller believes that or legal
experts believe that. if he fired comey for corrupt reasons, if he asked comey to go easy on flynn for corrupt seasons and if mcgahn can help mueller establish that, that's obstruction of justice. you can't charge a sitting president, but i think we are moving towards a comprehensive report that will go to congress that may be more damning that we can imagine sitting here right now. >> i'm glad to you went back to the president's tweet. which is just the most disgraceful thing that this president could possibly say about bob mueller as a person. if he wants to criticize his prosecutorial work, that is one thing. but i'm so glad you went back to that. also, ken, this point that the president is -- the white house is putting out tonight, clearly coming from the white house to the washington post that don mcgahn's lawyer told us he did not incriminate the president, that could mean anything.
that could mean don mcgahn did not say i saw the president commit a crime. i saw the president commit obstruction of justice. but don mcgahn could have told them exactly what he saw the president do and the prosecutors could decide what they just heard is a crime. >> yeah, absolutely. "the new york times" seems to have a pipeline into don mcgahn and his version of e pents already reported on these episodes, that trump insisted mcgahn help him fire mueller. that trump was pressuring people around him to get rid of jeff sessions or was moving forward with a plan to fire jeff sessions. all of that i i have is deeply relevant. the bizarre thing about this, lawrence, is, you know, the white house could have asserted executive privilege, and they could have at least tried to prevent some of this interview. they may have lost, but they
could have strung it out. they didn't do that. and that went to the earlier legal strategy of donald trump's former lawyers to fully cooperate with the mueller investigation and -- and also according to the new york sometimes mcgahn deciding he felt that trump was setting him up to take the fall. he was going to go in there with his lawyer and tell mueller everything. and do 30 hours of interviews. we heard steve schmidt today who said i know don mcgahn very well. i have an office next to him. he is not going to go to jail and be disbarred for donald trump. >> that seems to be the consensus from people that know don mcgahn. when we come back, michael cohen is reportedly being investigated for bank fraud, $20 million of bank fraud. so does that make michael cohen $20 million more eager to cooperate with federal prosecutors and tell them everything he knows about donald trump?
later in the hour, the woman married to the biggest cyber bully in the world, david little speaks today about cyber bullying prevention while her husband was cyber bullied. i don't want to ruin the suspension by telling you who those two people are, so you are just going to have to stick around to find out. ♪[upbeat music]
michael cohen woke up today to a front page story in his hometown newspaper, "the new york times" outlining the charges federal prosecutors are considering in their investigation of michael cohen. "the new york times" reports that michael cohen could face charges of bank fraud and obtaining $20 million in loans from two new york banks that most new yorkers have never heard of. the bank loan is under scrutiny, the total of which has not been reporting came from two financial institutions that catered to the taxi industry, sterling national bank and melrose credit union. people of knowledge with the matter, including a banker, who reviewed the transactions include that mr. cohen used 32 taxi medallions as collateral. they were valued at $1 million each and generated $1 million a year in income. michael cohen's partner in the taxi business is already cooperating with federal
prosecutors and an accountant who worked for both has testified before the grand jury in the cohen case. "the new york times" reports if michael cohen becomes a cop wop rating witness, it would likely include a provision that mr. cohen also provide information to the special counsel, robert s. mueller, iii. joining us now michael daley and ron is back with us. the taxi business has been a cash business for a very long time. the one thing that can be much dirtier than commercial real estate in new york, the taxi business. so it's starting to feel like michael cohen has a 20 million more reasons now to cooperate with special prosecutors. >> i thought it was good news for him. they talked about many crimes.
i mean, this narrows it down to a few multimillion dollar crimes. if you start looking at the taxi, the first guy who he is business partners with, he had a problem because he was charging fake late fees. the only winner in the whole trump russian saga so far is freidman. it looks like he was going to go to state prison. all of a sudden, hey, i can give up michael cohen. >> luckily for him there is something more interesting because of the trump investigation. ron, the president of the united states could be in very big trouble because of the taxi business in new york and his buddy michael cohen drowning in legal problems because of it.
>> yeah. i mean, michael cohen turns out to be a crook. who could have seen that coming, huh? i think it is true, lawrence, that he could be in trouble. but i think even truer is he may already be in a lot of trouble. we are focussed on whether or not michael cohen will offer additional evidence to special counsel. we need to remember that the most important evidence michael cohen probably has is those millions of pages of records that bob mueller already has. and a special master looked at and set a few aside as being looked at by attorney-client privilege. they're not going to have all the different ways it could be impeached. so i do think it is an interesting issue how much farther michael cohen does go, does he flip? but mueller may already have in his pocket most of what he wants from him. >> more of those guys cracked than you can remember. >> joe macina, toughest guy that ever lived, never be a rat.
him, him, him, him. >> here is donald trump today tweeting about who is going to be a rat in his world. >> the thing that's interesting, the president of the united states is supposed to stand for justice. and, you know, rats are people that are leading you towards justice. he's calling you a rat. but how can a guy be a rat if he's not giving up something? you can stop someone in the street and say, are you going to flip on trump? there is nothing to give. but all of a sudden, there is this kind of implicit thing that there is something to give up. >> yeah. and, ron, what about that? it is not -- you're saying it is not clear to you that michael cohen has enough of value for robert mueller. >> as i said, i think the files are the big thing. i think the records are the big thing.
they're reliable. they're provable. he may well have for. we talked about his role in the payoffs to women who like stormy daniels who allegedly had a relationship with donald trump and there is a lot of things there. were there federal campaign finance violations involved in that and the way that helped the trump campaign? what i think you see is we have the white house counsel offering evidence against trump. you have now his personal lawyer offering evidence against trump. and these people, they wouldn't have anything to say if there weren't criminal activity. if there wasn't something they were trying to protect themselves from because of what went wrong and what was wrongly done here. and i think that's the big picture. people coming to testify against trump, they only have something to testify if trump did something wrong. >> thank you both for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> when we come back, president trump actually thinks he can replace robert mueller with himself.
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publically urged to quit and privately attempted to fire. in one tweet, the president referred to jeff session's justice department with the word justice in quotes. in his interiew today, the president did not rule out tripping robert mueller of his security clearance. the president said, i haven't given it a lot of thought when asked about mueller's security clearance. today more than 175 former government officials signed a statement in support of former cia director john brennan after the president stripped his security clearance last week. yesterday john brennan repeated what he told rachel maddow friday night. >> well, i have been contacted by a number of lawyers, and they have already given me their thoughts about the basis for a complaint, an injunction, to try to prevent him from doing this in the future. if my clearances and my reputation as i am being pulled through the mud now, if that is the price we are going to pay to
prevent donald trump from doing this against other people, to me it is a small price to pay. i will do whatever i can to try to prevent these abuses in the future. if it means going to court, i will do that. >> and in a footnote to "meet the press" yesterday, just when you thought rudy giuliani was beyond parody, he found a way to parody himself. >> look, i'm not going to be rushed into having him testify so that he gets trapped into perjury. when you tell me that, you know, he should testify because he's going to tell the truth, that he shouldn't worry, that's so silly because it's somebody's version of the truth, not the truth. he didn't have a conversation -- >> truth is truth. i don't mean to go -- >> it isn't truth. truth isn't truth. >> joining our discussion, a conservative opinion writer at the washington post and an msnbc contributor and host of deep state radio. and jennifer, we could have a
new special prosecutor of donald trump. that would be donald trump when he takes over the investigation of himself. >> by the way, my favorite part of that "meet the press" interview was chuck todd putting his head in his hands as if i couldn't have written this. my god, what are you saying then? this is trump's craziness. on one hand we can laugh at it because it is so absurd and so contrary to the way our government operates. in another way it is very telling. we keep looking for the obvious. it is hiding in plain sight. trump thinks he can use the justice department as his personal lawyers to protect him. it comes out in these tweets. it comes out in the way he talks about mueller and the way he talks about jeff sessions. so, yes, it is very amusing because it is so crack pottish and so evidently trump, but there is a serious side to it, i think.
>> and david, the president can fire the attorney general. he can fire the deputy attorney general. he can pretty much rip that investigation apart. >> yeah, sure. he can do that and of course that's what's troubling about having a president who is as cray as trump is. abnormal has become the new normal. every day we have not one, not two, but half a dozen things. you didn't list the fact he said he kind of likes kim jong-un and he'd like to meet with kim jong-un. we didn't talk about the fact he thought manafort was a good guy and that was a horrible thing that was being done to him. every single day he violates norms. but i think the thing that we need to keep in mind as we look forward on this thing is that some day we're going to be looking back at all this and saying these were the good old days. these were the days when the pressure wasn't high. there wasn't a democratic congress that was running 11
investigations and looking at his books. his son wasn't in the dock. his daughter wasn't in the dock. his son-in-law doesn't in the dock. when that pressure builds up on him and god fordid we have some kind of international crisis, which we haven't had, this kind of level of craziness is going to look good by comparison because the guy is clearly losing his grip. >> and jennifer, we saw the tweets get more hysterical as the pressure builds. he's just like a machine that way almost. when "the new york times" comes out and reports that the white house counsel is cooperating, we see the president going into hysteria. >> he cannot help himself. there is no grand strategy here, folks. the notion he's playing three dimensional chess or five dimensional chess is ridiculous. this is his crazed, confused thinking. this is his anger.
this is more helpful probably than anything other than putting him under oath because it is the real trump. >> david, john brennan publicly allowing for the possibly that he's considering what to do legally in terms of suing about the loss of his security clearance. not for himself as he puts it, but possibly to establish a precedent about this. rudy giuliani out there tonight saying please sue. the president taunting today saying we want him to sue so that we can go into discovery against him. it would be a complicated issue for john brennan to decide to do this. >> well, i think it might be a complicated issue. but of course there are traditional processes filed for removing people's security clearances both within agencies and from beyond agagencies. they involve due process and
moving there is some kind of national security issue that's come at stake as a result of it. i think the burden of proof on the president and the accusers of brennan would be more difficult than it would be more brennan, who is one of the most distinguished public servants we have had, one of the really outstanding leaders the intelligence community has produced and is absolutely a political actor. this is a guy who simply has devoted himself to u.s. public service for the past 25 years. and, so, you know, i think rudy giuliani again, that was another unhinged tweet that's a parody of a parody. i don't think rudy giuliani wants to get into that fight because it won't just be brennan. it will be the entire intelligence community that's going to line up behind him because they see this as a threat to the independence of the intelligence community, which is a threat to u.s. national security. >> and john brennan probably served three republican presidents, three democratic presidents.
he has in his professional life no partisan history whatsoever. >> you have a long list of people who are everything from congressional medal of -- not medal of honor, but presidential med doll of honor recipients, presidential medal of freedom recipients, people that have been honored by west point. he wants to take away all of their security clearances. but i think this is important for another reason. and this is because it is the practice for when he decides to do this to mueller. it is important the intelligence community speak as one voice. that congress, if they could ever get their act together, if republicans ever decide to show any spine whatsoever, not likely for but democrats to get their act together. if he goes down that route, then we really are at a constitutional crisis point. it is important to speak up now. it is important for the intelligence community to really not tolerate this whatsoever. and you do see just these people moving forward. so they are certainly showing
their patriotic stripes by not responding to an attack on an individual or from an individual but standing up for american principles, for democratic norms. what a concept. >> thank you for joining us tonight. and when we come back, melania trump actually said this today. we share one goal, to pave a smooth way forward for our children. but she certainly did not mean the 565 children who still remain separated from their parents because her husband ordered them to be separated from their parents.
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for donald trump? >> she's going to have a little news conference over the next couple of weeks. that was two years and 11 days ago. donald trump knew that his campaign supporters harbored many hatreds. but the one hatred that all supports seem to share enthusiastically was hatred of illegal immigration, hatred of the people that donald trump said came into our country illegally. so when reports came of melania trump coming in illegally, he said she's got it so documented. and then melania trump remained absolutely silent about her immigration history and her
immigration documents. the next couple of weeks passed, and she didn't say a word about her immigration history. but finally today, two years and 11 days after donald trump made that promise, melania trump finally stepped up to a microphone and said this: >> good morning. it is great to be here with all of you today. i'm honored to open this important summit on cyber bullying prevention. and want to start by thanking each of you for your commitment to the topic. >> and so once again the only first lady in history who, in donald trump's words as he put it two years ago, quote, may have come into our country illegally still has not had that little news conference that donald trump promised where she would reveal all the details of her immigration history and put out her immigration documents, showing to us she didn't come
here illegally or work here illegally ever. today she spoke for four whole minutes of cyber bullying prevention. she read words that were written for her by her staff. so she never mentioned the biggest cyber bully in the world. she never offered her perspective on how you bring up a 12-year-old boy in an american household with a 72-year-old father who is not just a cyber bully but is the biggest cyber bully in history. no president in our lifetime has been better at publically ignoring the first lady than donald trump. he won that title on the first day of his presidency by forgetting about his wife as soon as he arrived at the white house. and he did it again today by not just completely ignoring that
his wife held a public event today, something she almost never does, but then by publically violating the principals that his wife was talking about today, by spending so much of his day after her speech trying to cyber bully everyone from a former cia director to the current special prosecutor to thousands of people working in the justice department. so today the first lady read a very short statement about cyber bullying and the president spent his day cyber bullying. and neither one of them did a thing for the 565 children still in president trump's custody after being ripped out of their parents arms at the southern border. neither one of them have done a thing for those children, not one thing. they haven't helped reunite a single child with a single parent. >> we share one goal, to pave a
small way forward for our children. >> how can she say that? how can she say those words, a smooth way forward for our children? she supported the presidential campaign of the man who was already the world's biggest cyber bully. she supports the presidency that has ripped thousands of children from their parents arms at the southern border, thousands. she supports the president who ripped those families apart because he said they came here illegally. and she has never proven beyond a reasonable doubt that she first came to this country legally and worked in this country legally when she began working here. she has never proved that. there won't be a smooth way forward for the 565 children still in trump custody because melania trump's husband has deported 366 parents of those
children. melania trump's husband has completely lost track of 26 of those parents and has no idea how to reunite those parents. melania trump's husband forced 154 parents to sign away their rights to be reunited with their children when those parents did not know what they were signing. >> we share one goal: to pave a smooth way forward for our children. >> melania trump has done nothing for our children. nothing. and donald trump has done far too much to our children. so you have, your headphones, chair, new laptop, 24/7 tech support. yep, thanks guys. i think he might need some support. yes. start them off right, with the school supplies they need at low prices all summer long. like these for only $2 or less
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he's only going to be here for like a week. like a month, tops. oh boy. wi-fi fast enough for the whole family is simple, easy, awesome. in many cultures, young men would stay with their families until their 40's. in today's global society, social media is a part of our daily lives. it can be used in many positive ways but can also be destructive and harmful when used incorrectly. >> and jennifer rubin is back with us. and we don't know what was written on the back of the first lady's coat when she was saying that today. but we do know she wore the garment saying i don't care when
she went to the southern border. she seems to have proven that since her return. here she is worried about cyber bullying and not expressing one word of concern about the children who are in trump custody. >> correct. and of course, as you said earlier, not paying one whit of attention to the worst cyber bullying of all who sets an appalling example for all of us. maybe she should talk to twitter and ask them to take bullies off their platform. that would be helpful. i think the problem i have with melania trump is being helpful for others and she has done nothing. this platform, this was one little white house event in the rose garden and she comes and gives this ridiculous four-minute speech. she's not doing anything for america. you look at all the first ladies
that preceded her. barbara bush, where it was laura bush, on literacy, the obamas and specifically their work with veterans and their families. every first lady has championed causes. every first lady has done good. what has she done? virtually nothing. and they say, she is a private person. you know what? she now has an obligation to do good. when you get to that position, i don't think you have a right to stay home and have silly little press conferences like. this i think it is time for her to get active and for her to show some public mindedness. i will say that she did decide to take her first public trip and maybe this is a little bit of trolling. she decided to go to africa. which her husband once described as a bunch of s-blank, blank, blank countries. so perhaps that's a little kneedling on her part. if she comes one something remotely in the realm of what for example president bush did
with respect to aids, i would be stunned. these people are about empty gestures, themselves, and they're fundamentally selfish people. >> the announcement of the trip, it was an announcement of a trip to a continent. i'm not sure the first lady's office knows that africa is not a country. when these trims are announced by previous white houses, they announce countries. they don't say a trip to europe. they don't say a trip to asia or south america. they announce specific countries. i'm not sure this first lady's office knows any countries that they could name in africa. thank you very much for joining us. tonight's last word is next. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis or psoriatic arthritis, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats differently. for psoriasis, 75% clearer skin is achievable, with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques.
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we begin with breaking news on this friday. just 70 some days since the president's meeting with the north korean dictator and he is conceding that things are not going as he had hoped. he just tweeted this, quote, i have asked secretary of state mike pompeo not to go to north korea at this time because i feel we are not making sufficient progress with respect to the denuclearization of the korean peninsula. additionally because of our much tougher trading stance with china, i do not believe they are helping with the process of denuclearization as they once were despite the u.n. sanctions which are in place. secretary pompeo looks forward to going to north korea in the near future. most likely after our trading relationship with china is resolved. in the meantime, i would like to send my warmest regards and respects to chairman kim. i look forward to seeing him soon. remember right after the summit
with kim jung-un, trump praised himself saying that there was no longer a nuclear threat from north korea. joining us now, elise labott, barbara starr and julian barnes. this trip, this upcoming trip for pompeo, was just announced yesterday and now a flip. why the about-face? >> that's right, secretary pompeo announced that he was going to north korea as he was rolling out the announcement of his new envoy. a former adviser under george w. bush to secretary of state condoleezza rice and others, no necessarily north korean experience, but a lot of experience in asia. he said he was going to north korea. but curiously the state department said he had no expectations of meeting with kim jung-un. so there was obviously a lot of
consternation why the secretary of state would be making another trip he was just there about a month ago, kim jung-un did not meet with him, and there is a lot of concern in the meantime about north korea continuing to develop its nuclear weapons program. barbara can go into that in more detail. but most recently the iaea just recently came out with a report saying that it had very grave concerns. so obviously the president called in secretary pompeo just moments ago, he was with andrew kim, the director of the cia that deals with north korea, one of secretary pompeo's closest advisers on north korea. obviously the assessment was made that now is not a good time for secretary pompeo to go there. i love how at the end though president trump gives husband warmehusband --is warmest wishes to the north korean leader. but obviously this is a real slap to the north koreans who
were expecting him. >> julian, this is the president admitting it is not going well and all signs had been pointing to a lack of progress, but the president in the past has continued to sort of put on a happy face about all of this. so his change in tone is also noteworthy. >> it is. i mean, what is noteworthy about this is trump's change of tone. you know, north korea experts have been predicting something like this. you know, there has been a big difference between the north korean actions. they have continued to make icbms, they continue to work on nuclear fuel. there has not been a real change in posture there. but nor did they agree to that after the singapore summit. so there has been a lot of signs that we were headed toward a setback like this. >> barbara, more can you tell
us? >> u.s. military and intelligence officials looking at it have been very sober minded the entire time. i don't think anybody expected mike pompeo to go to pyongyang and get a clean win out of this. perhaps the way mr. trump wanted. what we do know is the u.n. international nuclear inspectors,ment iaea, issued a report, grave concern about north korea's weapons program, detailing site by site in their weapons program what was going on. their continued work on he reactors, on nuclear fuel, no indication that they were giving up any of that. and they have not promised to at this point with any kind of specificity. commercial satellite imagery just coming out showing that some minimal dismantlement activity at a launch station had apparently been halted. and things were just very status
go there, no further dismantlement. it was this kind of thing that was beginning to cause some concern and beginning to make people ask the critical question, has kim jung-un made the strategic decision in his own mind to give up his nuclear weapons in the irreversible verifiable way that president trump has said he must do. and there is no indication that he has. nothing has really been signed that would lead to that. for that to happen, kim has to make a lot of decisions and foremost, he lets international inspectors in, he lets th s thek at everything, unannounced, they can just show up. he makes honest declarations about what his inventory is. the u.s. thinks he is likely working on nuclear tipped missiles. so would he agree to all of this. we're miles away from that ever happening and a lot of concern that right now this is, you
know, a big detour on the road to that. >> all right. thank you all. on top of this, the week is ending with what the president will likely view as another bombshell betrayal from his inner circle. the week started with his former lawyer michael cohen pleading guilty to eight criminal counts implicating trump in some of them. now a source says federal prosecutors granted immunity to allen weisselberg in the case against cohen. weisselberg is the chief financial officer of the trump organization and he becomes the third known high level trump ally to work with federal investigators. he joins cohen and david pecker the head of the company that publishes the "national enquirer" who reportedly was granted immunity as well. pecker and weisselberg were both mentioned in that secret recording cohen made as he talked to trump week before the 2016 election. they were discussing setting up an account to pay off on a playboy model who alleged an affair with trump. the hush money was one of the campaign finance crimes cohen
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is that he said that he would be willing to work on with prosecutors, but it is possible that we could think that maybe there is something larger here than just the issues surrounding michael cohen and the stormy daniels payment. but even then, you know, i think one thing that is also sort of key here is that those payments right before the election are in themselves -- i think we almost minimize or -- we really treat those with less gravity than they ought to be treated. if the russia probe with mueller didn't exist, this would itself be something that we would be thinking is very legally and politically important. if bill clinton had done these things back in the '90s, if he had been accused of giving hush money to women with whom he had affairs on the eve of the election, he would have -- i mean, he would have been
impeached over that, he would have been convicted over that he might have resigned over that. it would have dwarfed what actually ended up happening. because of the russia probe, this almost looks like a side show, but it itself, i mean this actually could have arguably influenced the 2016 election if those affairs had come out in october of 2016, there is an excellent chance that trump wouldn't have been elected. so there is a lot of gravity just around the cohen investigation even if you put the whole mueller thing a side. >> barbara, you point on out that weisselberg has been with the trump organization for a very long time. we know how much president trump then candidate trump and private trump at the top of the organization, how much he prizes loyalty. >> absolutely. >> so that speaks to weisselberg i suppose, the fact that he has been with him so lodge. but is this proof that loyalty only runs so deep? >> i think loyalty is something we should all think about what it means. you are loyal to a person for
many reasons. but not for reasons that have to do with worker or anything that is illegal or even immoral, unethical. i don't think that anybody has the right to tee mademand loyal that kind of thing. certainly loyalty in terms of working together, doing the right thing, keeping secrets when needed to be kept, running the business properly, those are the kinds of things i think loyal i did should ty should be turning in someone that did something wrong. but again, in this case, i don't think that allen necessarily is in that role. i think it is more that he knows where money went and where it came from, and also he may know something about whether or not there is russian money involved in any of this and that may be of interest to the investigation. >> we did know the trump organization was subpoenaed for some specific documents and we had reported back in march that it had to do specific with
russian business contacts. thank you both for joining us. appreciate it. one by one, friends and former aides of republican political operative roger stone have offered their testimony to robert mueller's special counsel, all except one. meet the pot farming house painting roger stone aide who is resisting mueller. that is coming up. also, he is an icon of the senate, john mccain making the difficult decision today to discontinue medical treatment for brain cancer a year after his diagnosis. more on his condition and reaction from lawmakers, his friends and his family next. whenshe was pregnant,ter failed, in-laws were coming, a little bit of water, it really- it rocked our world. i had no idea the amount of damage that water could do. we called usaa. and they greeted me as they always do. sergeant baker, how are you? they were on it. it was unbelievable. having insurance is something everyone needs,
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senator john mccain who is battling brain cancer has decided to stop his medical treatments. his family released a statement saying in part, since his diagnosis last year, john has surpassed expectations for his survival, but the progress of disease and the in-exorable advance of age render their verdict. with his usual strength of will, he has now chosen to discontinue medical treatment. his we've tweetin ingwife tweet husband with all of my heart. god bless everyone. and joining us now, doug hye, we have seen an outpouring of support for senator mccain, he has made a tremendous mark on politics and our country. >> yeah, and if you look at the statement the family put out, talk about exceeding expectations, everything john mccain has done has really exceeded expectations and his story is so well-known to us that we sometimes forget the extraordinariness of this. it wasn't just that he was a
p.o.w. for five years, he was told repeatedly you can leave now and somebody else will take your place and he said no, i'm not skipping the line. you talk about duty and honor, something i can't comprehend behind. >> and when you think about what he has experienced in his life. and the way that he has fought. fought for his convictions, fought for his country. you mentioned he was a prisoner of war for five year. the list of awards speaks to his character. silver star, bronze star, legion of mar rit, purchase merit, pur. his health care vote, speaking out good gina haspel against much of his party. he again speaks from the heart. what do you think his biggest contribution is? >> two things. one obviously what he's done in the vietnam war can never be
discounted because it is so extraordinary what he went through in a way that so many people again can't comprehend end. but then the fighting spirit that he brought to the senate. having worked in the senate, quite often you thought john mccain is such a pain in the neck. and there is a reason for that because he fought tooth and nail on everything. and if you are a republican, time and time again he was willing to stand up to his own party and say no and it could be frustrating. but you knew it was because he was fighting for his state, for the country and doing what ultimately he thought was right. >> any lessons learned that other politicians should know? >> i think there is a big lesson learned, what wire seeing in the arizona senate right right now, where a lot of people on the republican side won't even talk about john mccain. certainly with this announcement that may change things. you but i think it is a sign of how poisoned or politics have become. people will tell you what good and honorable people they were,
what great parents they were. and that is what we need to get back to. and if we look at why things are so functional today, maybe not having john mccain on the stage when we need him to be is one of those reasons. >> doug, thank you so much. back to the breaking news, yet another long time confidant of donald trump making a deal with the feds for immunity. are some of the president's most loyal insiders now turning on him? a trump biographer joins us next. and president trump tee parting the white house with melania trump by his side, trump who has had plenty to say on twitter about former lawyer michael cohen's deal with prosecutors choosing to ignore questions with his wife by his side, what must have been going through melania's mind this week. we'll discuss. when you start sleeping on a tempur-pedic, the difference you feel is night... and day. feel the difference at our labor day sales event, purchase a tempur-pedic luxe, elite, or breeze mattress and enjoy up to $550 off. or get a free adjustable base upgrade. find your exclusive retailer at tempurpedic.com.
back to our breaking news. another long time trump loyals has accepted an immunity deal and agreed to talk with federal prosecutors. this time it is allen weisselberg, cfo of the trump organization since 2000. a source familiar with the case tells cnn weisselberg's attorney negotiated an immunity deal weeks ago to speak about the michael cohen case. michael cohen admitting under oath that trump directed him to make hush payments to women to avoid damage to his 2016 campaign. and then the stunning report that david pecker ceo of the company that publishes of national inquirer has been
granted immunity in the case as well. but president trump once again slamming his attorney general jeff sessions, but this time sessions pushed back, realigns his bounce unwavering loyalty to trump. and then this, former apprentice star omarosa manigault-newman scathing book against the president tops the "new york times" best several list this week not to mention her audio recording of the president and the situation room reporting of her firing by chief of staff john kelly. for someone who values loyalty above all else, this week had to have been rough for the current president of the united states. joining us now to discuss, michael dantonio, author of the truth about trump. michael, cohen and pecker and now weisselberg. how do you think this is hitting the president? >> well, he has to feel absolutely besieged right now. what is remarkable is that the keepers of the secrets, if you
think of mr. pecker and mr. weisselberg and mr. cohen as being the closest confidants to businessman donald trump and now president trump could have had, they are all cooperating. and it makes one wonder if one of the trump children will become a cooperator soon. it is almost hard to believe that these three are helping prosecutors in various injuries dick s -- jurisdictions, but they are. this has to be the worst week the president has faced since taking office. >> what do you think is going on behind the scenes with the trump children with this family, how might they all be reacting to it? >> i think that they are probably all trying to figure out what may be in mr. weisselberg's records to reveal and what michael cohen may have to tell as well. you have to keep in mind that there are 500 trump organization
companies. there were all sorts of applications for loans made for different entities, there were claims to reduce taxes in one case to reduce your taxes you might say a property is worth a billion dollars and then the next day to get a loan on it you would say it is worth $1.5 billion. did the president then businessman donald trump seek loans and pledge assets more than once for the same purpose. so you've got the possibility of bank fraud in many different directions. you've got also the possibility of money laundering with money coming in from russia and former soviet republics and going into these entities. the details are vast and numerous and now mr. weisselberg is practically a trusted guy for prosecutors.
they could have invested thousands of man hours in to figuring things out, or dhee get someone li they could get someone like the chief financial office to literally walk them through the books. >> we know rd was up in tthe pr in the middle of the night tweeting, the lights were on at the white house at 1:00 a.m. about the same time he sent a tweet saying witch hunt when journalists saying when the president is backed into his corner, he becomes more unpredictable. and i'm also reminded of the red line he threw out there if mueller were to look into his family finances. what do you think this president will do? >> i think he is quite furious. there were suggestions early in his presidency that he was looking for head of the irs who would punish his enemies. i think he is furious at the attorney general. he could take almost any action against people he conceives to be his main opponents.
we had the example a week or two ago of him taking away security clearance of mr. brennan and threatening others. so he is willing to use the power of the presidency in ways that others weren't. i think there is a diminishing return here though. he is going to be perceived as reckless and out of control if he takes actions that all of the advisers in the white house are encouraging him to delay at least until the election. one of the ironies here is that rudy giuliani seemed to challenge the federal prosecutors to go quiet after september 1. so 240u we're snow we're seeing activity that perhaps wouldn't have taken place so quickly. >> that is a good point. michael, really appreciate your time. thank you. up next, friends and former aides of republican political operative roger stone have offered their testimony to
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contacted him directly. so we're seeing all these former associates and friends speak to thesome's team or testify before the grand jury. but andrew miller has decided with the help of his legal team that he wants to mount this constitutional fight. he wants to try to take on mueller's authority to oversee this investigation and his lawyers say they are prepared to this to the supreme court. he is an interesting case because he is just a regular guy, a 34-year-old, for a while living in california where he was working as a pot farmer. he recently decided to move his family, his wife, young daughter, back to st. louis where he was born and raised. and he has been working as a house painter there and pretty much laying low, letting his lawyers fight this battle on his behalf. but he's skipped out on his grabbed ju grand jury appearance, he is being held in contempt and we're waiting to see what could happen because this would be the first time that we see a higher court weigh in on the question of
whether mueller has the authority to run this investigation. now, we did get a colorful statement from roger stone about his former associate. i'll read you part of it. he says that andrew miller is a good father, a devoted husband and a loyal friend. the efforts for squeeze him to bear false despicable. andrew miller has had a wide variety of job, but he's worked on and off for roger stone, as his driver, tech guy. so who knows what the special counsel might want from him. >> you say miller is actually challenging the legality of the mueller investigation. what is his case? >> well, the argument is essentially that mueller was improperly appointed, that you know he is sort of this super attorney run amok. this is what his lawyers are arguing. that he really doesn't have the authority to be overseeing this investigation. now, we've heard a couple federal judges have heard arguments similar to this, they have not bought into it, they
denied various motions to have charges dropped. but again, this is the first time that we could see this being taken up by a hier court. i was talking to one of andrew miller's attorneys about this, and he basically said look, we are doing a public service. we are going to figure this out one way or another. either this will be struck down and all of a sudden mueller's authority will no longer need to be questioned, it will be upheld, or we'll have an indication that mileler is in fact out of bounds. >> sara murray, thank you. in a week that included hush payments to women and long time loyalists flipping to take deals, it was a tough woone for the president. but what does melania trump think about all this? what we're learning next.
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welcome back. republican congressman duncan hunter appears to be pointing the finger at his wife. blaming her for the federal campaign violation charges they both face. hunter and his wife margaret have pleaded not guilty to stealing a quarter million dollars in campaign funds to pay for their lavish lifestyle. the indictment alleges the hinters bought clothes in a golf shop, but they claim that they bought golf balls for wounded warriors. prosecutors also say they took an exsepensive vacation, even bought a plane ticket for their pet rabbit. and when the congressman said this on fox news, it raised some eyebrows. >> first time i gave her power of attorney and she handled my
finances throughout my entire military career and that continued on when i got into congress because i'm gone five days a week. and she was also the campaign manager. so whatever she did, that will be looked at too i'm sure. but i didn't do it. i didn't spend any money illegally. i didn't -- i did not use campaign money. >> before their court appearance, hunter took a page from the president and blamed his legal troubles on a justice department witch hunt. once again as more troubling legal headlines swirl around president trump and he plus terse against his political enemies on twitter, first lady melania trump has quietly been going about her business as usual. alone. monday she made a solo appearance at a cyber bullying summit, but today she departed with the president for columbus , ohio. it was their first appearance together since the news broke of the michael cohen plea kek connecting her husband to hush payments of two women. so how is the first lady
handling the drama? with us now, kate bennett. we just saw the first lady there departing with the president. any word from her office this week? >> no, not really. nothing on comments of what happened with michael cohen this week or the payoffs. it is sort of typical for her when these headlines come up to sort of retreat behind the scenes, be stoic, be quiet. certainly though we've seen her in the past remember she took that separate motorcade to the state of the union after the stormy daniels story broke. and then after the karen mcdougal story, she also sort of peeled off, took her own car to andrews air force base rather than do the actual walk that we're seeing right now with the president to marine one and ride with him. she did that again in march the morning after anderson cooper's interview with karen mcdougal. so certainly she has expressed her streak of independence when the headlines are tough. i think behind the scenes it must be difficult for her certainly to have the story not
go away all these months later. people questioning what is happening behind the scenes in her marriage, her private life. both of these women have alleged affairs to have happened just months after she gave birth to their son barron. nonof this can be easy for her as she tries do things like talk about cyber bullying or move forward with her "be best" platform. today she and the president go together to a neonatal hospital unit to talk when neonatal syndrome which is one of her causes. so maybe an awkward day for the two of them to be together. we're not watching any handed holding and again the first lady is quiet. >> i was noticing the lack of hand holding too because often times we do see them holding hands when they are coming and going from whether the car or air force one. the first lady did have a big announcement this week about her solo international trip coming up. tell us about that. >> she has announced that in
october she will be visiting africa, it will be sort of an extensive trip, a number of countries. she hasn't throughout xwrou-- outlined her objective. but this is the first time that she is venturing out solo. everyone is saying considering the president's past comments on africa, that this is an interesting choice for her and it certainly is. we have to remember michelle obama she went to sout africah as one of her first trips. laura bush was very much associated with africa as well. so certainly melania is following in their footsteps and she is going in october. >> all right. thank you for that. another long time confidant making a deal with the feds for immunity, this time it is the man who has handled the trump organization finances for years. really nearly two decades. we'll discuss the significance of this and moments ago president trump telling his secretary of state to cancel an
upcoming trip to north korea citing a lack of progress on nuclear talks. back in a moment.
federal investigators. he joins cohen and david pecker, head of the company that publishes the "national enquirer" who reportedly was granted immunity as well. pecker and weisselberg were both mentioned in a secret recording cohen made as he talked to week before the 2016 election. they were discussing setting up an account to pay off a playboy model who alleged an affair with trump. the hush money because one of the campaign finance crimes cohen pleaded guilty to tuesday. >> i need to open up a company for on the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david, you know, so that -- i'm going to do that right away. i've spoken to allen weisselberg about how to set the whole thing up -- >> so what are we -- >> funding with -- yes. and it is all the stuff. all the stuff. because you never know where that company -- never know what
he -- >> maybe he gets hit by -- >> correct. >> joining us now, kara scannell. you've been all over the cohen stuff. you say weisselberg knows anything and everything when it comes to the trump organization money. what did he tell prosecutors? >> our sources tell us that when he met with prosecutors a few week ago, the questions were focused on michael cohen and the payments the trump organization made to cohen, of course that was to reimburse cohen for paying stormy daniels, one of the crimes that he admitted that he committed. so we know that then the questions were very much focused on the payments and in the information, the document that michael cohen pled guilty to, he describes how -- or they describe how it was the trump family trust where the money came from that paid cohen. so there is a lot of he questions there and you can see why weisselberg would have done this under immunity deal because it raises questions about why the money was coming from the trust, why is the trump