paragraphs talking about written by nice reporter, now i don't remember, he goes i done remember. maybe that's what i said. this was 14 years ago. they didn't do a retraction. >> special guest, someone active in politics and concerned about the direction politics is heading right fou. what did you think and feel when you watched meryl streep talk about a man going o be our president mocking someone's disability? >> i thought she said what she said beautifully. it's easy enough to see the video online of trump mocking i agree with meryl it was heartbreaking moment and so beneath the dignity of the
presidency let alone any pt respectful person. what we need more is kindness and common decency. and what he did how he reacted how he needs -- he has the need to talk back and insult anybody who doesn't agree with him, that's pretty disgraceful. >> what do you make of the critique that meryl streep made last night you can push this and it becomes norm. you define deantsy. this kind of behavior become the norm. >> what signal to little children who watch television see this behavior of the soon to
be president of the united states. little girls were heartbroken when hillary clinton didn't get to to be president. so i think it's what they see. children will listen, i sang that in a song once and they will see and they will learn. and and you know i'm in the middle of having my teeth cleaned. you caught me at an disadvantage. >> it'smportant t mention donald trump in the past said meryl streep was his favorite actress in the country so his reaction was the actual rage. >> if you get on his wrong side, he will blast you negatively. >> be prepared, barbara. he's coming. >> he had a new years eve party
having gone to his rallies, he said at his rallies, i am your voice. i am the voice of thecy excellent majority but those people i give them enough credit to have not voted for him to pick on a guy like serg, they wanted him to be the bully against chinese and mexican criminal so forth and so on. they didn't want him to bully a defenseless person like that. >> when you interreviewed the president back in august 15, you asked him who favorite actress are and he told you julia roberts and meryl streep. he changes. he gets worse. >> i was at golden globe. this is someone who was the toast of the golden globe in
2007 when he attended with melania. he was in alex baldwin. he was on top as host and executive producer of the apprentice. we were his first magazine cover. the hollywood reporter. this is a community he loves and for many many years loved him back. the finest actor in hollywood there's no disputing that, they were stunned. for meryl streep has so much class, you don't need to justify -- this is not johnny dep, this is meryl streep. the pain was probably ov
overwhelming. >> she place different people. she not john wayne. ann winners was unbelievable in "devil wears prada." last week calling him a clown. that's strong. last month attack local union boss who took issue on jobs who doing a terrible job. more months bullying citizens alike. >> his wife, if you look at his wife she had nothing to say she maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say ichbl. >> she was the winner and gained
a lot of weight and it ofs a problem. >> look at her, look at her words, you tell me what you think. i don't think so. >> she asked me all kinds of ridiculous questions. blood coming out of wherever. >> this guy, he like low energy. >> was being hit by poke hon tas, i said mick cannot run. he choked like a dog and walks like a ping win on on to stage. >> let's divide this. a person's character is fair game. you can talk about lying ted, crooked hillary.
or the guy having a physical defect or even the pin quinn, i have to tell you it's awful. he gaining political strength by bullying people with the birth defects if you will. >> it's perplexing. >> why do people vote for people that are bullies? tell me why. >> blt built on domination and not cohesion that's why it's upsetting that we as a society would be moving in this direction. >> we abraham lincoln are not
macho men. he didn't do that. >> i can only testify having been at his rally, those people wanted him to be a bully, their bully against other forces they thought were oppressing him, the politically correct, chinese, mexican immigrants. >> why does it fit in? >> it doesn't fit in. having watched that tape you put together, my prediction is this kind of thing won't last. it can't last. >> that behavior. >> the moment he gets into trouble, politically, all the people that he called clowns and cripples are going to come back on him. >> inter-view with the "new york times" this morning, trump
dismissed criticism. " "we are going to have record setting dress shops are sold out in washington, it's hard to find a great dress for this inauguration." the fact-check foubd found to be just bs. what is it about this guy that makes statements all dress -- sale he said that's an example of something sold out because of his inauguration, this is not true. >> this is also part of donald trump's brand at this point even though you find this so outrageous it does mobilize the people who supported him, if you
go on twitter and look at the conversations there's no middle ground. people are angry. people who criticized behavior as the people in the room criticized donald trump. the frustrating thing about this the lack of the discussions around these topics the more he double downs on these things, the more people get outraged and more divisive it gets. it hasn't happened, the inauguration. >> award another for fences. i was looking at the face of n denzel and people of color were taken. when you start making fun of people who are weak, that's what i don't like about the guy any way.
>> janice, thank you, howard as always. son-in-law jared kushner getting top job at the white house. isn't that violence of nepotism law? >> you have to be careful when the law starts to be broken. plus, as president obama's eight years come to end we have to strategy in ob -- play book for the next for years. "hardball" roundtable more on the fight of donald trump and meryl streep and what it tells about the man about to take power. this is "hardball" where the action is.
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it reads in english. a public official may not appoint or advocate for appointment or vansment in order to civil position in agencies which he serving or over which he exercise control. if you're heading up an agencies you cannot name somebody within the agencies who is relative of yours. there's a picture from the page from the budget. an attorney vising the told nbc he would not take a salary. they sold nbc news -- they don't think, they are lawyers. michigan senator, senator. if this guy, this son-in-law gets to be a -- nobody is going to mess with the guy.
he is the son-in-law of the president. he would be like a viceroy. if it he gets a phone, title and working the in west wing. bobby kennedy named by his brother to be attorney general. by the way, according the budget office, executive officer of the agencies. why didn't this shatter the law. your thoughts. >> you're making the case. bade based on what you have saying, it ads to what we have seeing of a cabinet of billionaires that not work on behalf the people whether you look at their financial interests they don't want to disclose and you add his
son-in-law according to the report already meeting with china officials and chinese banker after the election promoting own business. i a care about currency manipulation with china. how does that happen when his son-in-law is sitting right next to him and has potential dealings with chinese. how does that all work. >> what do you think he can do about it. what who would have standing to sue him say you cannot name your son-in-law to work in the chows. h white house. how would that work? >> this one of the many questions we have and legal precedents here that are being set all over the place including the fact that they are rushing through nominations without the basic conflict of background,
ethics disclosure that mitch mcconnell asked for back in 2009. we have eight things he asked for before nominees would move ford and they have not happened. they have trying to jam through all of these nominees with no accountability. >> i don't know the guy, he is good guy, he gets trump operation wife is the daughter of trump. next things you know anybody who had-any problem with his family is dead meat. look what happened to chris christity. this guy has power. all of sudden, the so white wing. they are moving the embassy. they are going to support -- this guy has power. he has power domestically and
foreign. this is power. this is something else. people are going to step -- we're going to make an exception or maybe the rules doesn't apply. the principle of nepotism law is to stop nepotism. >> they don't think any laws apply it them and the fact is when you decide to go into the public's business you don't take your private business with you and continue to try to make deals and benefit financially for yourself and family on the side. so this not personal, i don't know the president-elect's son-in-law there is not nipping personal. this is about the realitied ty make sure the people i remit have interest being concerned about not the deal that the family wants to make.
>> senator of michigan. thank you. mitch mcconnell said democrats need to grow up. here he is. >> i was in schumer's position in eight years ago. what did we do we confirmed, seven all of these proceduresal complaints are related to their frustratation of not having lost the white house but the senate, i understand that but we need to grow up and get past that. >> he failed to disclosure his own letter to harry reid back into 2009 demanding that comply and complete background checks
and financial disclosure forms prior to receiving confirmation hearings. mcconnell back to him ver bait tim and pointed out his cabinet nominees now. let's wash. >> back in 2009 every obama nominee had in before their hearing. full fbi background here before the senate considered their nom nagts. president-elect trump's nominees are behind that mark. mr. president i ask respectfully that the republican majority follow the same set of standard they had in 2009 when the shoe was on the other foot. >> was there one standard for president obama's nominees and
president-elect trump's nominees. a lot of this you have to figure out what's going on. >> i read the lawme. it's clear why congress passed it. you don't want to have a government like you have third world joke cousin it depends on whose cousin you are. >> it was a response to what john f kennedy did with bobby kennedy. the president is -- >> one of the reason is what happened when carter walked around the white house. did he not have a lot of power. >> let tell you a better case, i know you can do that. >> hillary clinton which was given control of the -- there was a lot at stake. they made a point of it. this is something to argue
about. son-in-law walking in the white house. >> it's legal to do in the house or senate or hire your son-in-law or daughter-in-law. >> we'll check it out. >> it's a live show. >> it happens on the campaign all the time. >> we'll find out. >> the point is this, donald trump if he going to do something extraordinary like having son-in-law who i do know, give the nation great service if he does this. >> let me tell you the problem we have with this, state department, people are up for nomination or confirmation who have not sent the fbi full filled yet. they have not turned ethics reform statements. why won't they do this on
schedule. >> there's a piece, i think the piece missing is the obama government of ethics is being -- >> theory ny're not sending in forms. >> that's not true. what -- >> give me the name of the person. who is the person? >> i don't know the name. >> how do you know. >> because i talked about. >> when barack obama won he was kind to president obama. >> i have to check. i brief member of congress or senate cannot hire wife or kids. >> how about son-in-law or daughter-in-law. >> let's find out. >> thank you. thanks for coming on.
plus, naacp is putting up fierce fight for trump's pick jeff sessions. we have president of the naacp coming up next on "hardball," the place where the action is.
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"hardball." this is from the house ethics manual. federal law usc 3110. a member of congress from promoting appointment or promotion any official over which official exercises control authority or control. son daughter, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, first cousin, father-in-law, brother-in-law, son-in-law, stepbrother or half sister. that's the law. 11 days left in president obama's term.
a new poll out by ap 57% of americans agree positively. republicans spent eight years during obama presidency of being a liar, a king -- let's watch. >> the reforms i'm proposing would not apply to those here illegally. >> you lie. >> that's not true. >> some have said it's indelegate to suggest our top priority to deny president obama a second time. >> we don't have kings in this term, he things he can go around congress. we don't have kings.
>> i asked president obama not o act like a imperial president. >> whether or not real certificate because a lot of people questioned it. >> the gop threw up a roadblock. got together came up with a way to put brakes on president obama agenda. to the president's economic policy and wins the spire point. for more on the president''s legacy, cornell williams brooks. this topic is kind of unplesant because it suggest undermine the
guy, accuse him of being an illegal immigrant. nobody new him at school. trump kept it up until week before we get into the fall. and skipped away. nobody got that screwing, your thoughts. >> it does not ignore this country's present and its past. what that means is we are wresting with our racial demons when you use politics who call into question not his birth certificate but his citizenship bus as a consequence his legitimacy. but our legitimacy, the legitimacy of african-americans as citizens of this republican.
that is is not a new story. it is a long-standing story in this country. the way he has been treated has been a racial disrespect and not only with respect to african-american but disrespect it our country. because when president trump puts his hand on the bible takes the oath he become our president. president oe barack obama was our president for eight years, everyone. >> how do you put -- the fact that michelle obama is revered now. most americans, popular vote went for obama. how do you put that together by the smaering of him.
whose winning the fight? >> the issue is the -- >> she's african-american. >> african-american exercising power. leaders of the free world. there are people in this country and people in congress who not yet wrapped their mind about the fact that equality of responsibility and equality with the respect to the exercise of power. >> i think status matters. it's a nice thing, it's a good thing. >> first lady she is exceptional good lady. of course she is. >> up next "hardball"
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there was one performance this year that stunned me. it was that moment when the person asking to sit in the most respected seat in our country imitated a disabled reporter someone he outranked in privilege, power and capacity to fight back. >> womelcome back to "hardball." latest in series of attacks. arnold schwarzenegger, alex baldwin, and criticism tlihrive
on bullying. molly ball, ely, and michelle bernard. now, that you're introducing yourself, let me ask you about this meryl streep. i moment of inflection because non-journalist came out said something inhuman about human behavior that wasn't left right or something else. >> i wept. especially when she used -- same
power. when she talked about all of the different members of the hollywood press that are from hollywood, come from different country and talk about what the world would look like without them, she spoke to people of color, women, particularly looking at vie la davis in the background. >> the camera went to him, the spencer and he was with her. >> he got this pattern of hitting back at people who criticize him. this is a year and a half old incident and people are talking about it. i met a lot of people tired
being talked to in hollywood and seeing that as part of the pattern that is still playing out and people should stop waiting for him to become somebody else. >> he is former if not for the value of permance, so i think he understand this the reason why you saw him come back at arnold schwarzenegger because he can't let anything go. >> what ask did he say. >> i can't vote republican for the first time, i'm sorry. and trump comes back at him. it's retribution for that. >> is this going to go on,
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the world negotiating and donald trump tweets something that undermines your position and he said, i don't know. >> he would say something ununderstandable. >> we remember the customer fuf fell that has unfolded over the past couple of years over the lgbt bill in north carolina. it divided republicans in that state and it led to the defeat of the republican governor. nonetheless, there are lawmakers in multiple states now bringing forward those types of bills in texas, kentucky, in virginia. potentially picking that fight in a bunch of other places. >> can't we just get along, as somebody once said? >> piggy-backing off of what eli said, january 9th was the official day of denial, started by a group called 350.org and they are asking american citizens today to protest all of
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to make fun of the way god made someone? when i think about how i should approach this job of covering the next president, i think about that. should i go after him like a bully and let that guide everything i say about him? should i hang everything else he does on that as a person? should i make a judgment as some of the nuns did back in the old days, build a view on the first day of school and never vary from that view? i didn't like it when the nuns did it and i certainly don't want to be accused of doing it to donald trump. the guy is a mixed bag. i thought he was right in the campaign when he talked about the stupid of the iraq war. i agree with i am had, we don't have effective control on immigration. i agree that a lot of working families have been devastated by economic policies, including trade. all of that said, i'm not going to let him get away with calling a president an illegal immigrant from east africa. i believe meryl streep said
reaction and analysis from muslim scholars, military experts, lawmakers and pulitzer winning prize reporter who also lived in the middle east. first, president trump on the choice he believes the muslim world must now make. >> terrorism has spread all across the world, but the path to peace begins right here on this ancient soil in this sacred land. america is prepared to stand with you, in pursuit of shared interests and common security, but the nations of the middle east cannot wait for american power to crush this enemy for them. the nations of the middle east will have to decide what kind of future they want for themselves, for their country, and frankly, for their families and for their children. it's a choice between two futures, and it is a choice america cannot make for you.
a better future is only possible if your nations drive out terrorists and drive out the extremists. drive them out. drive them out of your places of worship. drive them out of your communities. drive them out of your holy land. and drive them out of this earth. judge jeanine: joining me now, muslim scholar and author of in the land of invisible women, a female doctor's journey in the saudi kingdom. dr. ahmed. doctor, thanks for being with us. you know, drive them out, drive them out. also it is a choice america cannot make for you. what was the message of the president? >> overwhelmingly, the message is that the president understands we have inside islam a profound and dangerous
ideology islamism, and it is muslims to eliminate it to evict it and abandon it but the united states is supporting us. it was one of the most remarkable speeches they think you and i are ever going to see in our lifetimes. this is a once in a generation event. judge jeanine: what do you think of the way it was received in the middle east? how do you think all of the 50 muslim leaders reacted to this president's speech? >> i think they were hanging on his every word. dazzling. it went far beyond my expectations. some of the language, he spoke to us as muslims speak, talked about those who honor god, talked about the faith of the soul when innocent young people are lured into extremism, the condemnation of the soul. talked about restoring values to humanity that are universal and precious in islam and he had the courage to do that at the epicenter of islam, of course not mecca but symbolic with the custodian of the two
holy sites right there is astonishing. judge jeanine: when you look at king salman, running to the end of the red carpet, not running, it was with his cane. there is already or so it appears this trust. why saudi arabia now seems to be aligning with the united states? what has happened in the last eight years? >> the speech is remarkable not only because of the president and the language and the intense. you can see the president had true feeling and sentiment and investment in the ideas, but that the muslim world is finally mature enough after decades of suffering from jihadist ideology and the united states has also been punished terribly by suffering through jihadist ideology, almost the timing in history is allowing this to happen. furthermore, in islam, there is nothing that host greater honor than hosting a guest as you yourself know from your origins. judge jeanine: yes.
>> so it was remarkable. judge jeanine: well, and you know, it was remarkable listening to the president describe saudi arabia, and the fact that he had heard so much about it but it was their graciousness, it was the beauty of the country, and clearly there was a connection, but is this the beginning of the reformation? >> for me, i'm not in a position to speak about that, but i think does it call muslims to reform their behavior to exterminate a fanatical ideology? for us to go inside mosques where some of these ideologies are propagating? something that the koran itself allows, if that is happening? yes. the ground has been laid. this did not come from the united states. president sisi made the remarks, they said president trump is not the same as candidate trump. these are sophisticated world operates.
you know, but instead coming with his wife and his daughter, you know, almost a statement that women come and walk with me, as equals. what's that message? >> impressive. not just that. of course, bringing the first lady, but bringing his daughter-in-law who's converted to orthodox judaism. judge jeanine: his daughter. >> and son-in-law, orthodox jewish gentleman is tremendous. it's a mark of as we are here sitting symbolizing two different faiths rooted in the middle east, you and i, so too, he brought that with him. it's phenomenal. this is how we're going to collaborate. and not a single moment was lost on any of those leaders. him flanked by the king of saudi arabia, the king of jordan, president el-sisi. all of them, hardly am i in that group, all of them are unified in the approach. judge jeanine: well, it is certainly a different day. >> it is a speech that every
american needs to see. i was just in egypt, can i tell you, my egyptian driver can quote the speeches of anwar alsadat, american children can study and learn and i myself are going to study. this is historic. judge jeanine: dr. ahmed, my friend, thank you for being here. >> thank you. judge jeanine: joining me from d.c. with more reaction to the president's speech, congressman darrell issa, member of house overnight and judiciary, and foreign affairs. congressman, you heard the doctor, and i'm going to ask you the same question with a political angle. what was the difference between president obama's 2009, i apologize for being an american speech in cairo, and this speech and the difference in the acceptance in the muslim world? >> eight years later, after a lecture series, one might say in cairo, what we had was a welcoming speech, a speech that said please join me.
we are in this together, and we can solve it, the united states can't solve it, there was a great deal of humility in the speech, basically saying that we'll be with you, but ultimately, we cannot do it without you. and again, it was a speech of welcoming and opening rather than a lecture. judge jeanine: and what do you think of the fact that, you know, president trump has only been in office four, five months, and yet, this, the establishment of the financial targeting center, the reception of the coordination here. i mean, this doesn't happen overnight. how did the president do this? >> well, a couple of things. some of these were programs that were pent up, waiting to happen, certainly the saudis have wanted to re-engage with the united states on u.s. weapons and u.s. security assistance, that they pay for,
but it wasn't very welcome with the last administration. remember, judge, at the beginning of last administration, you had hope by the arabs, by the muslim world, and by israel. by the end of the obama era, all of them had given up on the united states under president obama. he simply alienated everybody, including bibi netanyahu. he spent money trying to defeat american tax dollars. judge jeanine: exactly. >> this reopening is about undoing eight years but beyond that because it's got to do things that didn't happen under george w. bush. it's got to bring the arab world together in a different coalition. it's not just a coalition of military might. it's a coalition of ideological, if you will, purity. the idea that religions are supposed to help people live together, not help them kill each other. judge jeanine: and you know what's interesting is that even the president made reference to the fact that, you know, for generations the christians and
the jews and the muslims lived together, and it's only this recent, you know, destruction that's occurred in the interpretation of islam. but you know, congressman, it's very interesting as i sit here, you are lebanese descent. i am lebanese descent. the doctor is -- >> indian subcontinent of pakistan. judge jeanine: so many americans can relate to the middle east. and yet so separate from our lives for so long. do you think that instead of talking about coordination, we're going to have real partners and allies again in the middle east? >> absolutely. we're already seeing it. i was a few weeks ago, i was at the refugee camps in lebanon and jordan where the united states is re-engaging to try to bring some real solutions there. you know, the last administration wanted to brag about how many refugees we brought to the united states. when you see over 2 1/2 million
refugees in jordan and lebanon, you realize they can't come here, we have to make it possible for them to live there. that's one of the agendas you're seeing. and speaking of the country that our ancestors came from, you know in downtown beirut, in solidare, without glasses, you can see a jewish temple, a shia mosque, a sunni mosque, an orthodox church and a roman catholic church, you can see them all, and you can walk to them in the square, and they're all ancient because our people have lived together, and it's that welcoming they think president trump showed so well in saudi arabia that we can do it again. judge jeanine: and you know what? i think that the middle east is now a believer. the president was very clear, iran is the enemy, and iran, of course, the historic enemy of saudi arabia. have we taken sides, congressman? >> you know, in 1979, sides
were taken, we're only now owning up to it. the reality is that the extremist direction of wahhabiism and the growth of al qaeda and isis had much to do with the shia and sunni responding. the reality is unchecked since 1979 is part of the reason we're here, and that's what we've got to realize is, that islam will heal itself when islamic leaders part of the process. that's what the president went halfway around the world for. that's what he delivered in a very powerful speech welcoming the muslim nations and i think the rest of the world to join us in a different fight, a fight for the ideas, when he says drive them out. he's not saying drive the people out. he's saying drive these ideas out that have tainted our countries. judge jeanine: congressman darrell issa, thanks for being with us this evening. >> thank you, judge. judge jeanine: joining me with a military perspective on how the speech will affect the
fight against isis. retired army lieutenant colonel mitch utterback who served three tours in afghanistan and one in iraq. colonel, we heard about the $110 billion arms deal with the saudis and another $400 billion that will be invested in the two countries. more jobs at each end. what are the military implications of this deal? >> good evening, judge. one of the most important military implications for everybody watching tonight is fewer americans in that part of the world because the saudis purchased more of our equipment, more ships, more tanks, more planes mean more u.s. troops able to be home with families. but it also means they have demonstrated that they're willing to purchase the equipment over many years and want the training. they want the maintenance, they want the help with operating it and they want the help with taking the fight to the enemy want and the help deterring
iranian influence in that part of the world. judge jeanine: you know what's interesting? president obama was always talk about the coordinated efforts and the coalition. i have never seen anything like what i saw today in saudi arabia, and dr. ahmed is shaking her head right next to me. why is this so different, colonel? >> well, the doctor will agree, i'm sure. the president demonstrated deep cultural competency. a deep understanding of how to behave, how to present himself, how to show humility. how to dignify his hosts. also how to project strength tame. it was a very nuanced visit for those of us that have lived and worked and been shoulder to shoulder in the middle east. we saw that as, hey, this guy looks like he's been doing this for a long time. great advice or just an incredibly deft, culturally competent leader that we have now. judge jeanine: doctor, you
wanted to add something to that? >> so well said, congressman. the moment for political will has been building because the stakes have become so high. we're seeing the collapse of syria, the rise of iranian influence in yemen, the destabilization of the region through jihadist islamism. the consequences of the downstream impact in europe. the muslim will is tremendous. the timing is important. judge jeanine: back to you, colonel, you know this terrorist financing targeting center, which will have the staff of individuals, experts from the united states and from the arab world, what do you expect that to accomplish? >> couple things, judge. i expect the u.s. treasury department to bring years and years of counterthreat to financing, the intelligence and ability to track the money, but once we know where the money is, and the gcc countries with the language ability, the culture ability, the knowledge
of how the money moves around. our technical and intelligence capability married with the gccs cultural capabilities and language capabilities is unprecedented, and it really is going to dry up in large parts the biggest donors, the biggest guys who wish they were jihadists but too scared to go so they give the money away. this is the great stuff. >> when you say gcc, colonel, you're talking about syria -- not syria, talking about egypt, jordan, which countries? >> those are the gulf cooperation council, judge, saudi arabia, qatar, kuwait, oman, the united arab emirates and bahrain. countries that have very, very strong military partnerships with the u.s., now a counterthreat financing partnership. momentum is building, this is a great sign. judge jeanine: colonel utterback, thank you very much. and dr. ahmed, thank you so much. former u.n. ambassador john
bolton is on deck tonight, but next -- >> today we begin a new chapter that will bring lasting benefits to all of our citizens. judge jeanine: is the u.s. finally back to leading on the world stage? dr. zuhdi jasser is here with his reaction to president trump's historic speech. and later, judy miller offers a look at what to expect from president trump's trip to israel. "justice" rolls on in a moment. no need with thending thcars.com app when on the lot, scan a vin to pull up all the info you need to help get the price you want.
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faiths, different sects or different civilizations but good and evil. joining me now with reaction former u.s. navy lieutenant commander and president of the american islamic center for democracy. great to have you back on "justice." >> good to be back with you, judge. judge jeanine: thank you. speech the president gave today seems to have reset or rebooted relations in the middle east can. it happen so quickly? >> certainly, this is why he got such a warm welcome. the sunni world which is 90% of the muslim world in the arab area, has seen eight years of abandonment. they saw everything dumped at thealtar of the fake iran deal with hundreds of billions of dollars going to tehran. now they see a president who will shore up the coalition as necessary to defeat isis. they see a president who will hold them accountable to not only defeating isis but radical
islam. this is why the new center on counterterrorism is important. left unguided, left unled, the sunni regimes will ultimately feed the ideology like qatar, turkey and saudi arabia did like radicalizing the syrian government and others. this new relationship will hold them accountable and they welcome that, they need leadership and guidance and seeing a rebooting of the balance that was stability in the 20th century that was lost in the last eight years of obama's surrender. judge jeanine: what happened as the president indicated for generations, christians, jews and muslims lived together in this holy land. what happened that broke that? what was the beginning of the destruction? >> i think ultimately the world is starting to witness where islam is in history right now. we are going through enlightenment, a reformation, and a understanding of a respect for secularism and the
need to separate mosque and state just as created the french and the american revolutions, and this is why what's very different than today's world versus the cairo speech of 09 of obama or president bush's era, post-arab awakening, these regimes are roiling with groundswell of arab awakening, i hope the next speech from president trump will use freedom, democracy and liberty. yes, he might develop a coalition to destroy and decimate isis, but in the long term, radical islamist groups will keep coming back unless we feed the diversity of thought. time which islam is in history to bring back that time which there was stability, cooperation between the faiths, there was a lack of kinetic, radical islamist ideology that wants to decimate everything else. and the time to reboot that is now. judge jeanine: as a military man, you were in the navy.
when the president said he's going to oblitrate isis and seems to be doing well on that front, but at the same time, saying the muslim world has got to work with us. we can't do it for you. i mean, you know, obama said the same thing, but why is the reception so different? why is president trump, who's just so newly in office, able to deliver with such credibility his argument? >> because president obama did it from a position of beginning and ending by blaming america, by blaming the west, in an almost self-flagellating apologetic. telling them to drive them out. we will isolate iran and genocidal regime, that is language they have not heard for a long time which is true leadership from the front rather than the back if any at all. the arab tribal community respects leadership, even if
they tell them what to do or not to do, and i think that will go a long way to stabilizing the region. judge jeanine: well, they respect strength and they respect leadership and they respect honesty. and what's interesting is that the president went in saying i'm not going to tell you how to live or impose my sense of what you need to do. anyway, dr. zuhdi jasser, so good to you have on "justice". thank you so much. >> any time, judge. judge jeanine: coming up, president trump with a strong message to iran in his historic speech. former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. john bolton is here to weigh in next. ♪"all you need is love" plays my friends know me so well. they can tell what i'm thinking, just by looking in my eyes. but what they didn't know was that i had dry, itchy eyes. i used artificial tears from the moment i woke up... ...to the moment i went to bed. so i finally decided to show my eyes some love,... ...some eyelove. eyelove means having a chat with your eye doctor about your dry eyes because if you're using artificial tears often and still have symptoms, it could be chronic dry eye.
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fires of sectarian conflict and terror. is a government that speaks openly of mass murder, vowing the destruction of israel, death to america, and ruin for many leaders and nations in this very room. judge jeanine: president trump ripping into iran's government in historic speech making it clear they are america's enemy. former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. fox news contributor john bolton joins me now with reaction to the president's strong words. good evening, ambassador. the president made it very clear where the lines of demarcation were, iran and syria are our enemy. let's talk about iran. >> right, i thought this was a very strong speech by the president. i think it was well received by his audience in the arab world which is seen in the last eight years, they think america has taken leave of senses for not appreciating the threat that
iran poses, not just to them but to us, and it's because both the nuclear program and iran's longstanding support for terrorism. so this is a signal that the obama administration really is gone and that the united states appreciates that the ayatollah's regime in iran is a threat in the region and globally and we're going to deal with it, as he said, during the campaign. judge jeanine: when the president talked about iran, he talked about the fact that very clear that we have got to starve terrorists of their territory, their funding and the faults are of the ideology and we can defeat them. iran has always been, ambassador, the enemy of saudi arabia. so in addition to identifying iran as the enemy, we are also making it clear that we are aligned with saudi arabia and, i think, the sunnis as opposed
to the other sect. >> well, i don't think that necessarily is the case. i think we're aligned with regimes that oppose what the current regime in iran is trying to do. back in the 50s and 60s, though he was unpopular for other reasons, the shah of iran kept iran on the west of the cold war. it's not the people of iran that's the problem, it's the ayatollahs in charge. they do pose a threat to the oil-producing monarchies on the arabian peninsula to israel and to the united states. so to eliminate that threat, to deal with the nuclear, the ongoing nuclear program and iran's funding of terrorism, we're going to use the friends that we have, and i think they're delighted to see that the president understands the nature of iran's threat which is something barack obama didn't get for eight years. judge jeanine: clearly. the president made it very clear it's not the iranian people, i mean, it is those who
are chanting death to america and destruction to israel. in light of this new, this reset in the middle east by the united states with saudi arabia, jordan, egypt and the other -- most of the other sunni countries, it appears that the president also was talking about the possibility of peace between israel and palestine. it's clear that that is on his agenda. >> well, i think the threat of iran is certainly focused the attention of saudi arabia and some of the other key monarchies, and that's why prime minister netanyahu of israel does think there's a chance to harness that new strategic clarity, to get peace with the palestinians. the president is an optimistic man, willing to take a shot at it. good luck to him. i don't think it's going to happen. i don't think on the palestinian side, the palestinian authority is capable of making commitments and honoring them, and there
will have no legitimate authority for the palestinian people. it's a great tragedy, but that's where we are at the moment. we'll see. the president is determined to play it out and i don't see any downside. it may come to nothing as so many other evers here have. but if the saudis and others are willing to go along with the effort by israel and the united states, let's see what happens. judge jeanine: sounds like a new realignment with saudis and the israelis possibly being on the same side. ambassador john bolton, thanks for being with us. >> thank you. judge jeanine: and coming up, my all-star panel on deck ready to battle it out. back in a moment. it's just a burst pipe, i could fix it. (laugh) no. with claim rateguard your rates won't go up just because of a claim. i totally could've - no! switching to allstate is worth it. working my canister off to clean and shine and give proven protection against fading and aging. he won't use those copycat wipes. hi...doing anything later?
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extremely busy night of news. let's get right to it. joining me now mercedes schlapp republican strategist and richard fowler, senior leader of the fellows council. both fox news contributors. richard, your reaction to the president's speech in saudi arabia. >> i think we're seeing candidate trump and president trump, and he seemed to not escape the teleprompter. it's a good night for the president. judge jeanine: mercedes, would you like to respond to that. [laughter] >> look, i think this is showing a moment of strength by this president in basically going to the muslim leaders and saying we need to unite in order to eradicate radical islam. he also talked about the importance of the disastrous mess we have seen because of radical extremism in the region, and also he's sending a very direct message to iran, clearly by working with saudi arabia, by working on this
multibillion dollar arms deal. basically saying, look, iran, we're not with you, we are with saudi arabia, and taking sides, and i think it's been a very welcoming reception from saudi arabia, basically saying this is a new era for relations with these important muslim countries. judge jeanine: okay, richard, richard, why do you think that he was so -- the president was so well received in the middle east? >> well, i think the reason he was so well received in saudi arabia, only talking to one half of the muslim sect. he wasn't talking to the other half. judge jeanine: 50 muslim leaders. >> you have the sunnis and the she aone group was not there in the room, at all, period. the other reason the saudis are so happy is more to do with the fact yesterday he signed almost $100 billion arms deal to saudi arabia turning a sharp ideal that we can use diplomacy to
solve problems to using weapons to solve the problems. judge jeanine: by engaging in the arms deal, we give the saudis and the gulf states the ability to protect themselves as opposed to sending american military over there. and i thought that was a great argument. plus it makes jobs in the middle east and the united states. >> i hear that, but i think we'll be neglecting the fact, a good majority of the 9/11 attackers came from saudi arabia and saudi arabia has been sponsors of terrorism. the president forgot that last night. >> i think president obama remembered that. go ahead. what about iran being a state of -- terrorist state. >> they're not getting an arms deal, mercedes. >> what i'm saying is here's one of the things they did work on. it was saudi arabia, the fact of prosecuting individuals who are going to be financing terrorists. that was part of the agreement they made during this visit. also we saw the establishment of this global counterterrorism
and extremism center in saudi arabia. these are positive steps to eradicate radical islam in this region. now with that being said, this is not what we saw under president obama where president obama decided to stand with iran and basically what have we seen with iran? iran's involvement in syria? seen a stronger russian-iranian alliance and seen the fact that iran basically is continuing to finance terrorism. >> what we did see in iran is they don't have the ability to acquire or attain or develop a nuclear weapon, that is a step in the right direction. >> they lost the -- >> we can relitigate the iran deal as long as we want, right? here's the truth. now donald trump has the keys to this car and even though there was an election in iran yesterday and iran seems to be moving more to a globalized position than previously, he still slapped them in the face. that is not diplomacy. judge jeanine: richard, doesn't
it bother you when you hear the iranians yelling death to america, eradicate israel, the big devil, the little devil? come on! you think they're our friends. >> bothers me as much as russia engaging in our election. judge jeanine: oh, boy. i'm will for someone to give me evidence of that. you know what? i don't want to go there. richard, richard. >> they engaged in our elections. judge jeanine: richard, richard, the bottom line is now we've got a president allowing the middle east to get the weapons they need so we don't have to go over there and fight all the time. >> can i make one historical point on this point? judge jeanine: sure. >> every time we've sold the middle eastern countries weapons they used it against us. >> that's not true. judge jeanine: you are wrong. >> we gave weapons to the afghanis and the iraqis, those weapons used against our men and women. point-blank, period.
judge jeanine: mercedes, finish. >> one point we have to make clear. it is israel, one of the foreign ministers mentioning that they were concerned, they're nervous about the close relationship between the united states and saudi arabia. we have to be very clear that the one ally who we do need to stand strong with, someone who president obama did not is with israel, and i think that's going to be an important message that president trump is going to have to deliver when he meets with prime minister netanyahu during his visit to israel. i think -- judge jeanine: tomorrow. >> there is -- they are concerned, israel is concerned about the close ties with saudi arabia, but with that being said, you need to be able to have the communication with saudi arabia and the moderate muslim countries in order to ensure there is stability in the region. judge jeanine: mercedes schlapp, richard fowler, thanks for being with us. >> thank you. judge jeanine: president trump pushing forward with his first foreign trip. next stop, israel. pulitzer prize-winning
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abrahamic faiths, if these three faiths can join together in cooperation, then peace in this world is possible, including peace between israelis and palestinians. judge jeanine: president trump's next stop, israel. of course, stay tuned to fox news for full coverage of his arrival in just a few hours. what can we expect to see from the president's time there? let's ask pulitzer prize-winning reporter and fox news contributor judith miller. good evening, judith. almost as if the president has an impossible task to realign the middle eastern countries to possibly, you know, make peace between israel and palestine, convince everybody is on their side. how do they do it? >> right. the word kvetsch is not a
yiddish word, the reception will be warm because the united states is israel's closest ally, but also going to be a lot of complaining. judge jeanine: because of saudi arabia being the first stop? >> that and so many other things, judge, first of all there's the mossada issue, the speech e was supposed to give, mossada the archaeological site where jewish zealots jumped to their death rather than be conquered by the romans. the israelis said that is not a great place to make a speech about peace or prospects but we're not going to fly you up to the site, you'll take a cable car, so he's going to go to the western wall, and the western wall flap, and that is the wall in israel or is it in palestine and the state department of course got very nervous about calling that. there's the issue of whether or not the president gave sensitive israeli intelligence
to the russians when they met here in washington. that really disturbed some of the intelligence community. judge jeanine: my understanding is they said it had already been public, anyway. >> well, that's what mcmaster said, israelis disagree. we could go on and on. the thing that bothers and worries bibi netanyahu the most is whether or not donald trump wants to make the ultimate deal between israelis and palestinians, that's very dangerous for mr. netanyahu who wants to keep his coalition together. ultimate deal -- judge jeanine: look, our president can't impose a deal on them, netanyahu has to be a part of it. netanyahu has nothing to worry about. it seems to me that netanyahu should be happy that the president has said iran is the enemy, assad and syria are the enemy. we're going to give the saudis, the enemies of the iranians,
the enemy of my enemy is my friend. business, fundamental stuff. >> they're very happy about that. they're not an open kind of coalition. there were two israeli journalists left in washington because they weren't permitted to go to saudi arabia because the -- riyadh wouldn't give them visas. the cooperation that exists is not open. judge jeanine: judy, with all due respect, this sounds like petty stuff. we're dealing with bigger issues. >> by the way. i totally agree with you. unlike saudi arabia, israel is a democracy with a vibrant free press, and donald trump is going to read and hear about all of this because people talk and they air their grievances and this is not the way things are in saudi arabia. judge jeanine: the president made it so clear, i'm not going to tell anybody how to live, and i think that was the mistake of president george bush. we're going to give you democracy, happy with the purple fingers. they don't want democracy. let people live their lives.
>> i think that's true, but i hope that mr. trump understands that this is not about real estate. this is not a deal that can easily be made -- judge jeanine: and he didn't sound like it was about real estate today. my friend judy miller, thank my friend judy miller, thank you so m
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justice that the president's lawyers have said publically and said it once again today that the president will not answer any questions about obstruction of justice and other issues that the special prosecutor robert mueller would like to question the president about. regular viewers of this hour know i for one believe president trump was never going to submit to any questions by my prosecutor under any circumstances, even back when the president said the chance of him doing that was 100%. >> so he said those things under oath. would you be willing to speak under oath to give your version of this? >> 100%. i would be glad to tell him exactly what i just told you, jim. >> 100%. that was a year ago. and now the chances of the president submitting to an interview with robert mueller is almost officially publically zero percent. although the president's lawyers continue to play the public game
that they are negotiating the terms of an interview with the special prosecutor. a central element of that game has been the trump lawyers repeated insistence that president trump really does want to do the interview with robert mueller and it's just the lawyers who are reluctant. this game is usually played out in trump team interviews with the new york times where the trump spin is usually accepted as true. today's report on this game by "the new york times" carries the latest version of the trump team's spin in a paragraph that has appeared repeatedly in "the new york times" reporting on this game for the last year. the president's lawyers are concerned that if he is interviewed, mr. trump could perjure himself. that concern is in part driving the ongoing negotiations. they had been prepared last week to tell mr. mueller that mr. trump would decline an interview. but the president, who believes he can convince mr. mueller that
what we have said for months. it is time for the special counsel to conclude without further delay. this is from one of the men who is causing the delay that he's complaining about there. so now what will robert mueller do? subpoena the president? today's new york times report offers some insight into that question. in a meeting with mr. trump's lawyers this year, mr. mueller threatened to take the extraordinary step of subpoenaing the president to testify before a grand jury if he did not sit for a voluntarily interview. now, that was reported months ago. but we still do not know if any of that is true because the sources of the robert mueller threat to subpoena the president were the trump lawyers, not robert mueller or anyone on robert mueller's staff. the times turned to sources who worked with robert mueller in the past to try to get a sense of what robert mueller might do.
quote, "law enforcement officials who have worked with mr. mueller a long time federal prosecutor and the head of the fbi believe that he will try to use every tool he has to get the president to answer questions and that he will probably subpoena him to testify if he does not agree to be questioned voluntarily." okay. that's one possibility. and trump lawyers offered "the new york times" another very credible possibility this time, saying some of mr. trump's lawyers believe that mr. mueller will not subpoena their client out of fear of losing a court fight that could undermine the investigation's legitimacy to the public. and so robert mueller is approaching a very difficult decision point, probably the most difficult decision point that he will face in his investigation of the president of the united states. and now to answer the question of what robert mueller will do, what robert mueller should do,
we are now joined by jill wine-banks and glen kersner. thank you for being here 44 years after you heard the president say he was going to resign the next day because your investigation had closed in on president nixon. what is your reading of where robert mueller stands tonight on the issue of what to do with interviewing the president or subpoenaing the president or moving past any possibility of talking to the president and going ahead without that? >> first let me say, lawrence, that you gave such a good introduction that you have left very little for me to add to it. but -- and i do remember, by the way, the night of the resignation announcement like it was yesterday. >> jill, can we just stop you on that for a second? >> sure. >> because we will not be at this day again.
take us back to 9:01 p.m. on that night. all of you in the prosecutors team i assume are sitting around televisions watching the president say those words that he would resign the presidency at 12:00 noon tomorrow. >> i think the first thing that came to our mind was now can we indict him? he won't be the sitting president anymore. and we had already been turned down while he was the sitting president, despite the fact that we had more than ample evidence of his guilt. and once he wasn't the sitting president, we said now we could do it. unfortunately, he was pardoned by his successor, president ford, before we could return an indictment. and so he never got indicted. >> and, jill, so to where robert mueller stands tonight, there is a risk in subpoenaing the president and that is the president will challenge the subpoena. and there is possibility the
risk that the president could win in his challenge of that subpoena. >> i think the chance of his winning that are very, very small. i think that the decision which was 8-0 in the nixon case really says that the president is not above the law. a president had to comply with a subpoena for documents. it is different when it is a subpoena for his own testimony. but i believe that the concept of the opinion says for sure that mueller would win that argument and the president would lose it. i would say, however, that he may not need his testimony and he may not want his testimony. we are only hearing from the president's lawyers. we don't know what's in mueller's mind at all. if the president is, indeed, a target, even if it is only a target of a report rather than an indictment, then maybe he doesn't want to call him in because he would have to take
the fifth amendment and that would be something that he might not want to have happen. so it may be that the reason he's not pursuing this is that he doesn't really care. he doesn't need the testimony. the evidence has been in plain sight. i don't think you have to ask him what his intent is. the president has expressed his intent over and over and over again enough times that we don't have to ask him anymore. he said it to lester holt a year ago. now he has said it again in tweets. so we know what he's thinking. we know why he wanted to stop the investigation. he wanted to get rid of the russia thing. and that's why he fired comey. >> glen, i know you don't know what robert mueller will do. and, so, i will if you if you are on robert mueller's team, what would you advise him to do at this point on the issue of speaking to interviewing the president of the united states? >> well, lawrence, i think that,
you know, all possibilities that the president will actually come in for a voluntarily interview have played themselves out. i tend to believe that the president was never going to voluntarily sit down with robert mueller for an interview. his lawyers knew what a danger that would present for him. and, so, if we move past that, the next question is: should robert mueller subpoena the president? i think as jill was suggesting, it may be that bob mueller has now begun to view the president as a target of the investigation. and because the department of justice has a policy that they don't allow prosecutors to subpoena targets of the grand juries investigation because of the might against self-incrimination. there is an exception to that, but it is a rarely used exception, i think that may mean we never hear from the president, not in a voluntary interview, not under subpoena
before a grand jury and then bob mueller moves on to the next phase of his work and that may be returning indictments. it may be authoring a report that gets released to congress. it may be a combination of the two. it may be that bob mueller decides to return a conspiracy indictment naming everybody but the president and just putting everything he's learned about the president's misdeeds into a report to congress and let congress handle it as a political issue and then again it may be as i know mrs. wine-banks can tell us, that he will choose to name the president as an unindicted coconspirator in a large conspiracy indictment. i worked for bob mueller directly at the u.s.'s attorney's office for the district of columbia, but i will not pretend to be able to look into his head and predict now he's doing. i can promise everything that he will be governed by the rule of
law and he will announce his findings accordingly. >> we're going to listen to something that rudy giuliani said on fox news tonight. it is quite shocking. a former justice department official himself lying to fox news viewers about justice department policy and saying that this investigation must be over by september, according to justice department policy. let's listen to this. >> i think if it isn't over by september, then we have a very, very serious violation of the justice department rules. that you shouldn't be conducting one of these investigations in the 60-day period. >> glen, your reaction to that? >> i was a federal prosecutor for 30 years. i have never heard of such a policy. i think so much of what we heard -- we've heard from mr. giuliani over the past year or so is self-contradictory. he's playing to not a court of law but a court of public opinion. he really is just trying to
poison the well of the american people in the hoping that that may somehow work to the political advantage of the president down the road if this matter gets taken up in impeachment hearings. >> i want to share one more thing because i think it proves what has been my case, that the negotiations are literally just a game. shawn hannity asked him why would you even bother with a counter proposal. let's watch this. >> why would you even more a counter proposal. >> when it is over with, i'll explain it to you. >> i'm not getting anything out of you tonight. good to see you, mr. mayor. thank you. >> jill, it certainly sounds like a game to me. >> they have been playing this for public relations. i agree with you that they probably never intended. and probably the most shocking thing that rudy giuliani said is that the president could perjure himself if he went in.
the president could perjure himself only if he plans to lie and/or if he plans to cover up further what he knows he did. so it isn't a perjury trap unless the witness wants to lie about something. and it's shocking that we are at a state of affairs where the president of the united states' lawyer is saying that he could commit perjury. >> yeah. the president's lawyer's public negotiating position is the president is so guilty of something that he will lie about it and commit perjury if he is interviewed by the mueller team. that's their public position. we're going to have to take a break here. glen, thank you for helping us. and jill will be back with us when we come back because we will get jill's legal reaction to those secret audio recordings of deven nunez. rached pl eel played these in t hour, but rachel didn't get a
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one thing was that, quote, sometimes you love the president's tweets. sometimes we cringe on the president's tweets. that is something that every trump supporter i have ever spoken to in private admits to, cringing at some of the president's tweets. devin nunes did admit that it is criminal to conclude with a foreign country or foreign nationals in an american campaign, but he seemed to identify a very narrow definition of criminal conduct. >> now, if somebody thinks that my campaign or cathy's campaign is colluding with the chinese, you name the country, hey, could
happen, it would be a very bad thing if she was getting secrets from the portuguese. let's say, just because i'm portuguese, my family was. if that's the case, then that's criminal. somebody stole the e-mails, gave them to cathy, cathy released them. if that's the case, then that's criminal. what if someone stole the e-mails, did not give them to cathy, but gave them to someone else to release them to benefit cathy. they lied to their contributors, just lied to them when they said that the reason they were not moving forward quickly with the impeachment of the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein in the house of representatives is that the senate would then have to immediately take up that impeachment trial after the house voted to impeach rod
rosenstein and the senate trial of rod rosenstein would prevent the senate from confirming the president's choice for the supreme court, brett kavanaugh. that is an outright absolute lie. this senate would be under in timing obligation to take up a bill of impeachment sent over to the senate for trial. the house of representatives will never vote on impeaching rod rosenstein and the senate will never have an impeachment trial of rod rosenstein. but at republican fundraisers, republicans will probably continue to lie to their contributors who are hoping for an impeachment of rod rosenstein. joining our discussion now, jenner. i wanted to get your legal reading of the way devin nunes described what we considered criminal collusion if foreign power were to steal some e-mails
and gave them directly to a campaign and the campaign were then to directly publicize those e-mails for the campaign's benefit, that would be collusion. that seems like a very narrow definition. >> it is a narrow definition. and i also want to say we aren't using the word collusion anymore. i started a #saythisnotthat. we will be calling it criminal conspiracy to defraud the united states or criminal conspiracy to violate the election laws because that's what it is. it is a much broader legal problem for the republicans than devin nunes described. what he said is true, that is criminal. it would be criminal. but it's also criminal if you accept anything of value from a foreign individual or a foreign government. especially when it happens to be an enemy of our country, not a friend or ally. but you cannot accept anything even from our closest allies if
it is a foreign person. so once you have his description was of a portuguese giving something to the candidate. it doesn't matter what country it is. you can't take it. anything of value is barred by our election laws. and, so, there is a much broader thing. and it doesn't matter whether you public it or you knowingly allow someone to publish it or whether you just send an e-mail that says i love it, especially later in the summer and then wikileaks publishes it later in the summer. >> jennifer rue b, the notion te senate has to immediately take up a bill of impeachment, the last time we saw an impeachment of this level was of a federal judge. 1988 in august the house voted to impeach a federal judge. the senate did not begin the trial until 14 months later in 1989. and then they did it part-time, a couple hours here, a couple hours there.
senate business was never interrupted by that impeachment. >> it is like all these republicans went to the same bad law school and they never picked up the constitution and they know nothing about their laws because what they say is essentially nonsense. jill is right. first of all, that's entirely wrong. this ideal conspiracy is a broader issue. what is illegal is to also solicit something of value, which is arguably what donald trump jr. was doing when he said, i love it. really, all of their legal bee's wax is nonsense. i think it is a big political embarrassment once again for paul ryan, who has left an unserious irresponsible person in devin nunes in a very important job as head of the house intelligence committee. and now we have cathy mcmorris rodgers, the number four person, who is sitting there like a lump in the log as this guy goes on
waxing about his primary job is to protect the president, not to do his job. these people look like stooges. they look like they have indulged a character like devin nunes and they haven't done their job. if there isn't a better reason to get rid of paul ryan's party because of this. it is always about the party, always about protecting the president, never about doing their constitutional obligation. my take-away is primarily political, that these people really are ir ree deemable. >> well, that is exactly what they seem to be saying. i want to play one more part of this. it sounds to me he says you have got to elect republicans or we will have an impeachment of the president. let's listen to this. >> so therein lies, so it's like your classic catch-22 situation where we were at a -- this puts us in such a tough spot.
if sessions won't unrekus and mueller won't clear the president, we're the only ones. which is really the danger. that's why i keep and thank you for saying that, by the way, we have to keep all these. we have to keep the majority. if we do not keep the majority, all of this goes away. >> jill, that sounded to me like if we don't keep the majority, the president gets impeached. >> well, it sounds to me like we don't keep the majority, the truth will come out and we will know what's happening. and that's what he's worried about. and what i think americans should want to happen. we want to know the truth and we see the truth. it is right in front of our eyes. so when are republicans going to realize what when they give reaches in fundraisers, they are being recorded and they are making mistakes. >> i think tonight. i think tonight is when they will realize that. we will have to take a break in here. i think the republicans might just figure that out. when we come back, we will be
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and the crowd went wild because they understood what it meant. clean up the corruption in washington. the way donald trump promised to do that was to put a rich guy in charge in the white house who could not be bribed and then he would hire other rich guys who would not be bribed. >> i love all people, rich or poor. but in those particular positions, i just don't want a poor person. does that make sense? does that make sense? >> and, so, donald trump hired the richest secretary of commerce in history, who forbes magazine is now calling among the biggest grifters in american history. and chris collins was arrested and charged with insider training and lying to the fbi. he pleaded not guilty today in federal court in manhattan. prosecutors allege that the congressman shared inside information with his son about a bio tech company in which they were both heavily invested. congressman collins son and his
son's wife and family members immediately sold off their stock, avoiding $750,000 in losses when the stock lost 90% of its value as soon as the inside information, which was bad news for the company, became public information a few days later. congressman collins actually made phone calls to his son to pass along the inside information while he was at a white house congressional picnic last year. there is video of him making those phone calls. ron widen said the collins indictment represents everything trump and his allies have stood for since taking office. insiders getting special deals while americans are left in the dust. forbes has uncovered a pattern about the trump secretary of
commerce wilbur ross. forbes uncovered a pattern. many of those who worked directly with him claim that ross wrong ll lly siphoned or s at least, if you consider them individually, but all tolled, these allegations would spark lawsuits, reimbursements and sec fine come to more than $120 million. dan alexander, the author of that report in forbes magazine joins us next, along with trump bio grapher, jim o'brian.
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extraordinary reporting on wilbur ross. being familiar with his business and his business history, i have been waiting since he was nominated to be the secretary of commerce for the dam to break on the multiple very swampy involvements and business history of wilbur ross. you seem to have done it with these interviews and the pattern of business he engaged in before becoming secretary and what he's done since becoming secretary. >> yeah. you know, there is a lot of rich guys who get sued for various things, but not like this. not by so many former partners, by so many investors to have such consistent allegations and to have it all add up to such a significant amount of money. i mean, $123 million is a huge sum for anyone, including wilbur ross. >> and, dan, just take us through what he was supposed to do in terms of what he said he
would do with his finances when becoming commerce secretary and what he actually didn't do. >> sure. so like all public officials, he made agreements before he took office that he would divest the majority of his holdings and in november of last year he certified that he, in fact, had done that on a sworn statement when, in fact, he had not done that. instead, he owned more than $10 million of stock that he didn't sell until a month and a half after that and he told stock in an air leasing company that he held on to for more than a year after he was supposed to and he had shorted a company that he said that he thought that he had an interest in, so he was taking a short to cancel out that interest. but he didn't have an interest in it so the short wasn't necessary. all of this stuff he said was the result of simple mistakes. but it is hard to believe that
one of the most sophisticated investors in the country would make so many significant mistakes at so many companies. >> how could this have gone wrong for donald trump? he told his audience you don't want poor people doing this work. you want rich guys in congress who can't be corrupted like chris collins and wilber ross. >> we learned that trump did not drain the swamp. he just filled it with bigger alligators. and dan's great reporting has really exposed just around the fact pattern everything that's untoward about ross's holdings while he's servings a the commerce secretary. there has been a lot of great reporting in addition to dan's around this. the list is almost so long it would be impossible to get through it in this program. in addition to the stuff that dan has already pointed out, ross was negotiating trade agreements with china during a time when he owned a company
that was exporting natural gas to china. he had another, a shipping company that was doing business in china was and partially owned by the chinese government while he's over seeing trade policy with china. he has another company that he's exporting steel from south korea at the same time that the trump administration is imposing steel tariffs on some of our competitors, but giving south korea an exception. all of this stuff just smells. it is amazing it has taken this long to come to a head. >> how long have you been working on the ross story? >> well, there have been many ross stories. but i first started covering him about a year ago when we were looking to see how much money he was worth. that was when we uncovered that although he had been claiming to us for years that he had billions of dollars, he, in fact, did not. once you figured that out, then all this other stuff startled unrivaling. one investor told me once you
figure out the guy is essentially a fraud you figure out that anything he says really isn't quite correct. >> tim, quickly take us inside the head of donald trump tonight. he's watching chris collins charged with these crimes, along with his son. does he see the possible mirror of donald trump and donald trump jr. because chris collins son might be faced with the choice of do i testify against my father in order to stay out of prison? >> that's just a great observation, lawrence. i have to believe that some of that resonates with trump. a lot of his behavior lately, lashing out on twitter and against law enforcement officials is because he can't control an investigation in its entirety that's also starting to target his son and may eventualeventual ly insnare his son-in-law and daughter-in-law. the other interesting thing in
all of this is wilber ross's behavior is very similar to trump's, inflating their wealth, treating business partners poorly. trump probably looks in the mirror and sees ross. >> thank you for joining us. thanks for your great reporting. thanks for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> when we come back, michael cohen is in much worse trouble than we already thought michael cohen was in. you drive safely. but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost. unfortunately, it can't do anything about that. now that you know the truth... are you in good hands? if yor crohn's symptoms are holding you back,
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michael cohen, donald trump's former personal lawyer is now in even more legal trouble than we thought. he is in so much legal trouble now, that his tv lawyer lanny davis actually said no comment when asked about new reports that michael cohen could be facing a five-year sentence in federal prison. five years or more even. 2018 is the year of the tv lawyer, by which i mean not real trial lawyers like michael avenatti, who make many, many appearances on tv talking about the cases that they actually handle in court. i mean the tv lawyers who only go on tv to talk about the cases and never actually do any real legal work for their clients. donald trump's tv lawyer is of course rudy giuliani whose only task is defending donald trump on tv. if president trump goes into court to fight a subpoena issue by robert mueller, it won't be rudy giuliani arguing the case. it will be a real lawyer who knows how to handle real courtroom situations, which rudy giuliani has not done in
decades. same thing with lanny davis, who is michael cohen's tv lawyer, whose job is simply to go on tv and try and defend michael cohen and speak to reporters on and off the record, trying to defend michael cohen. if michael cohen finds himself charged with federal crimes, it won't be lanny davis standing beside him in real legal proceedings in a real legal courtroom that will be guy petrillo, a real legal defense lawyer hired months ago. so when lanny davis, the guy michael cohen hired just to talk to the press says no comment, that's lanny davis' way of saying wow, this case just got a lot worse for us. "the wall street journal" is reporting that federal prosecutors in new york city are investigating michael cohen for possible tax fraud. sources told "the wall street journal" that michael cohen received hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash from his taxi business in new york, cash that was paid to him by another taxi operator evgeny freidman. the very bad news for michael
cohen is that mr. freedman has already plead guilty to criminal tax fraud in a case brought by the new york state attorney. mr. friedman is report it will cooperating with investigators. for small-time tax evaders out there, it is very bad news when you find out that your accountant has been subpoenaed to testify to a grand jury by federal prosecutors. the "wall street journal" reported yesterday that michael cohen's accountant, jeffrey getzel has been subpoenaed by federal prosecutors. a report by cnn.com says jeff my getzel was subpoenaed by federal prosecutors before the raid by the fbi on michael cohen's office, hotel room, and home in april. these reports also indicated that michael cohen is being investigated for bank fraud, including lying about his assets when applying for loans. now the penalties for tax evasion and bank fraud are much, much more severe than possible
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jail terms, but when they do, the prison time is usually measured in months. the maximum sentence for tax fraud is five years. the maximum sentence for bank fraud is 30 years. and now we discover michael cohen is being investigated for all of those things. back with us is jennifer rubin. and jennifer, these new revelations about the possible five-year sentences and 30-year sentences for possibly multiple counts that michael cohen could be facing really changes the dynamics of what he's facing. >> yeah, it does. and might i say, i don't think i've ever seen an administration with this few people who are not in some kind of legal trouble. really, if you're not being indicted or haven't been indicted or aren't considering a plea deal, you're really the odd man out. but michael cohen we knew was in some trouble. now we know he is in a heap of trouble. what's significant, he is also
in trouble from state authorities. and as we know, he cannot be pardoned by the president of the united states for state crimes. so i think the time that he is going to have to start cooperating feverishly with the prosecutors is coming closer and closer. >> and of course michael cohen knew what we've been learning about the investigation. he knew that long before we did. and so we now have to look back at his behavior, with the knowledge that he had, that he was being investigated for bank fraud and for tax fraud. >> correct. and the fact that he was apparently shut out of the president's inner circle, feeling abused and left alone to sort of flounder on his own, it also puts in context that raid on his office, his home, and his hotel. the president was carrying on about how this was unprecedented. there was no reason for it. my gosh, given all the possible avenues of conviction here, you can sort of understand why they were looking for evidence anywhere they could find it. >> they had an awful lot of
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on the other hand, you know, while that seems like a petty thing and an inargable thing, that might really get under the skin of the president when it comes to somebody who has become his most important ally on capitol hill. >> one of the things they did on that impeachment discussion is they lied to their contributors with this notion that it is senate procedure to immediately take up a bill of impeachment from the house of representatives and the senate can do no other business. the house of representatives sent over the impeachment of a federal judge in 1988 in august. the senate didn't take up the trial until 14 months later. and even then they did it part-time, a couple of hours a day here and there. it doesn't in any way clog up the senate on the confirmation of brett kavanaugh. so my reading of that was then just lying to their enthuiasts
tonight. but we have had no response thus far. >> it's always amazing what they say in private. >> thanks, lawrence. >> thank you, rachel. we'll be talking more about this and about the legal implications of the recordings that rachel just revealed in this last hour. rachel didn't get a chance to get into a discussion of those legal implications. jill wine-banks will guide us through that. but today is the 44th anniversary of white house corruption. on this historic anniversary, there is an intense competition in washington tonight for the title of most corrupt person in government because the president of the united states is on that list of possibly the most corrupt person in government once again as the president was 44 years ago, it is hard for the other people on the list to get the attention they deserve. and it may be that the non-presidential corruption in
>> 100%. i would be glad to tell him exactly what i just told you, jim. >> 100%. that was a year ago. and now the chances of the president submitting to an interview with robert mueller is almost officially publically zero percent. although the president's lawyers continue to play the public game that they are negotiating the terms of an interview with the special prosecutor. a central element of that game has been the trump lawyers repeated insistence that president trump really does want to do the interview with robert mueller and it's just the lawyers who are reluctant. this game is usually played out in trump team interviews with the new york times where the trump spin is usually accepted as true. today's report on this game by "the new york times" carries the latest version of the trump team's spin in a paragraph that has appeared repeatedly in "the new york times" reporting on this game for the last year.
the president's lawyers are concerned that if he is interviewed, mr. trump could perjure himself. that concern is in part driving the ongoing negotiations. they had been prepared last week to tell mr. mueller that mr. trump would decline an interview. but the president, who believes he can convince mr. mueller that he is innocent, pushed his lawyers to continue negotiating. whenever you read that perhaps in "the new york times" and elsewhere, you might want to re-write the last line in your head to something like this possible alternative. but the president, who knows he can never convince mr. mueller that he is innocent, pushed his lawyers to continue negotiating in order to delay the mueller investigation so that the president can then publically complain that the mueller investigation is still going on. that complaint is, of course, not limited to the president. the president's lawyers, who are actually delaying the
investigation by proposing restrictions on a presidential interview they know the special prosecutor cannot accept, are also publically complaining that the special prosecutor has not yet finished his work. the president's lawyer rudy giuliani told "the new york times" today we are re-stating what we have said for months. it is time for the special counsel to conclude without further delay. this is from one of the men who is causing the delay that he's complaining about there. so now what will robert mueller do? subpoena the president? today's new york times report offers some insight into that question. in a meeting with mr. trump's lawyers this year, mr. mueller threatened to take the extraordinary step of subpoenaing the president to testify before a grand jury if he did not sit for a voluntarily interview. now, that was reported months ago. but we still do not know if any of that is true because the
sources of the robert mueller threat to subpoena the president were the trump lawyers, not robert mueller or anyone on robert mueller's staff. the times turned to sources who worked with robert mueller in the past to try to get a sense of what robert mueller might do. quote, "law enforcement officials who have worked with mr. mueller a long time federal prosecutor and the head of the fbi believe that he will try to use every tool he has to get the president to answer questions and that he will probably subpoena him to testify if he does not agree to be questioned voluntarily." okay. that's one possibility. and trump lawyers offered "the new york times" another very credible possibility this time, saying some of mr. trump's lawyers believe that mr. mueller will not subpoena their client out of fear of losing a court fight that could undermine the
by his successor, president ford, before we could return an indictment. and so he never got indicted. >> and, jill, so to where robert mueller stands tonight, there is a risk in subpoenaing the president and that is the president will challenge the subpoena. and there is possibility the risk that the president could win in his challenge of that subpoena. >> i think the chance of his winning that are very, very small. i think that the decision which was 8-0 in the nixon case really says that the president is not above the law. a president had to comply with a subpoena for documents. it is different when it is a subpoena for his own testimony. but i believe that the concept of the opinion says for sure that mueller would win that argument and the president would lose it. i would say, however, that he may not need his testimony and
he may not want his testimony. we are only hearing from the president's lawyers. we don't know what's in mueller's mind at all. if the president is, indeed, a target, even if it is only a target of a report rather than an indictment, then maybe he doesn't want to call him in because he would have to take the fifth amendment and that would be something that he might not want to have happen. so it may be that the reason he's not pursuing this is that he doesn't really care. he doesn't need the testimony. the evidence has been in plain sight. i don't think you have to ask him what his intent is. the president has expressed his intent over and over and over again enough times that we don't have to ask him anymore. he said it to lester holt a year ago. now he has said it again in tweets. so we know what he's thinking. we know why he wanted to stop the investigation. he wanted to get rid of the russia thing. and that's why he fired comey.
i think as jill was suggesting, it may be that bob mueller has now begun to view the president as a target of the investigation. and because the department of justice has a policy that they don't allow prosecutors to subpoena targets of the grand juries investigation because of the might against self-incrimination. there is an exception to that, but it is a rarely used exception, i think that may mean we never hear from the president, not in a voluntary interview, not under subpoena before a grand jury and then bob mueller moves on to the next phase of his work and that may be returning indictments. it may be authoring a report that gets released to congress. it may be a combination of the two. it may be that bob mueller decides to return a conspiracy indictment naming everybody but the president and just putting everything he's learned about the president's misdeeds into a report to congress and let congress handle it as a political issue and then again it may be as i know mrs. wine-banks can tell us, that he will choose to name the
president as an unindicted coconspirator in a large conspiracy indictment. i worked for bob mueller directly at the u.s.'s attorney's office for the district of columbia, but i will not pretend to be able to look into his head and predict now he's doing. i can promise everything that he will be governed by the rule of law and he will announce his findings accordingly. >> we're going to listen to something that rudy giuliani said on fox news tonight. it is quite shocking. a former justice department official himself lying to fox news viewers about justice department policy and saying that this investigation must be over by september, according to justice department policy. let's listen to this. >> i think if it isn't over by september, then we have a very,
very serious violation of the justice department rules. that you shouldn't be conducting one of these investigations in the 60-day period. >> glen, your reaction to that? >> i was a federal prosecutor for 30 years. i have never heard of such a policy. i think so much of what we heard -- we've heard from mr. giuliani over the past year or so is self-contradictory. he's playing to not a court of law but a court of public opinion. he really is just trying to poison the well of the american people in the hoping that that may somehow work to the political advantage of the president down the road if this matter gets taken up in impeachment hearings. >> i want to share one more thing because i think it proves what has been my case, that the negotiations are literally just a game. shawn hannity asked him why would you even bother with a counter proposal. let's watch this. >> why would you even more a counter proposal. >> when it is over with, i'll explain it to you. >> i'm not getting anything out of you tonight. good to see you, mr. mayor. thank you.
>> jill, it certainly sounds like a game to me. >> they have been playing this for public relations. i agree with you that they probably never intended. and probably the most shocking thing that rudy giuliani said is that the president could perjure himself if he went in. the president could perjure himself only if he plans to lie and/or if he plans to cover up further what he knows he did. so it isn't a perjury trap unless the witness wants to lie about something. and it's shocking that we are at a state of affairs where the president of the united states' lawyer is saying that he could commit perjury. >> yeah. the president's lawyer's public negotiating position is the president is so guilty of something that he will lie about it and commit perjury if he is interviewed by the mueller team. that's their public position.
we're going to have to take a break here. glen, thank you for helping us. and jill will be back with us when we come back because we will get jill's legal reaction to those secret audio recordings of deven nunez. rachel played these in the last hour, but rachel didn't get a chance to do a legal analysis of these recordings yet in her hour. we will do that next. salads should look like this.
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we now have tapes of devin nunes tells us what he thinks or telling contributors what he thinks they really want to hear, one thing devin nunez felt he had to say. one thing was that, quote, sometimes you love the president's tweets. sometimes we cringe on the president's tweets. that is something that every trump supporter i have ever spoken to in private admits to, cringing at some of the president's tweets. devin nunes did admit that it is criminal to conclude with a foreign country or foreign nationals in an american campaign, but he seemed to identify a very narrow definition of criminal conduct. >> now, if somebody thinks that my campaign or cathy's campaign
is colluding with the chinese, you name the country, hey, could happen, it would be a very bad thing if she was getting secrets from the portuguese. let's say, just because i'm portuguese, my family was. if that's the case, then that's criminal. somebody stole the e-mails, gave them to cathy, cathy released them. if that's the case, then that's criminal. what if someone stole the e-mails, did not give them to cathy, but gave them to someone else to release them to benefit cathy. they lied to their contributors, just lied to them when they said that the reason they were not moving forward quickly with the impeachment of the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein in the house of representatives
is that the senate would then have to immediately take up that impeachment trial after the house voted to impeach rod rosenstein and the senate trial of rod rosenstein would prevent the senate from confirming the president's choice for the supreme court, brett kavanaugh. that is an outright absolute lie. this senate would be under in timing obligation to take up a bill of impeachment sent over to the senate for trial. the house of representatives will never vote on impeaching rod rosenstein and the senate will never have an impeachment trial of rod rosenstein. but at republican fundraisers, republicans will probably continue to lie to their contributors who are hoping for an impeachment of rod rosenstein. joining our discussion now,
jenner. i wanted to get your legal reading of the way devin nunes described what we considered criminal collusion if foreign power were to steal some e-mails and gave them directly to a campaign and the campaign were then to directly publicize those e-mails for the campaign's benefit, that would be collusion. that seems like a very narrow definition. >> it is a narrow definition. and i also want to say we aren't using the word collusion anymore. i started a #saythisnotthat. we will be calling it criminal conspiracy to defraud the united states or criminal conspiracy to violate the election laws because that's what it is. it is a much broader legal problem for the republicans than devin nunes described.
what he said is true, that is criminal. it would be criminal. but it's also criminal if you accept anything of value from a foreign individual or a foreign government. especially when it happens to be an enemy of our country, not a friend or ally. but you cannot accept anything even from our closest allies if it is a foreign person. so once you have his description was of a portuguese giving something to the candidate. it doesn't matter what country it is. you can't take it. anything of value is barred by our election laws. and, so, there is a much broader thing. and it doesn't matter whether you public it or you knowingly allow someone to publish it or whether you just send an e-mail that says i love it, especially later in the summer and then wikileaks publishes it later in the summer. >> jennifer, the notion that the senate has to immediately take
up a bill of impeachment, the last time we saw an impeachment of this level was of a federal judge. 1988 in august the house voted to impeach a federal judge. the senate did not begin the trial until 14 months later in 1989. and then they did it part-time, a couple hours here, a couple hours there. senate business was never interrupted by that impeachment. >> it is like all these republicans went to the same bad law school and they never picked up the constitution and they know nothing about their laws because what they say is essentially nonsense. jill is right. first of all, that's entirely wrong. this ideal conspiracy is a broader issue. what is illegal is to also solicit something of value, which is arguably what donald trump jr. was doing when he said, i love it. really, all of their legal bee's wax is nonsense. i think it is a big political embarrassment once again for paul ryan, who has left an
unserious irresponsible person in devin nunes in a very important job as head of the house intelligence committee. and now we have cathy mcmorris rodgers, the number four person, who is sitting there like a lump in the log as this guy goes on waxing about his primary job is to protect the president, not to do his job. these people look like stooges. they look like they have indulged a character like devin nunes and they haven't done their job. if there isn't a better reason to get rid of paul ryan's party because of this. it is always about the party, always about protecting the president, never about doing their constitutional obligation. my take-away is primarily political, that these people really are ir ree deemable. >> well, that is exactly what they seem to be saying. i want to play one more part of this.
it sounds to me he says you have got to elect republicans or we will have an impeachment of the president. let's listen to this. >> so therein lies, so it's like your classic catch-22 situation where we were at a -- this puts us in such a tough spot. if sessions won't unrekus and mueller won't clear the president, we're the only ones. which is really the danger. that's why i keep and thank you for saying that, by the way, we have to keep all these. we have to keep the majority. if we do not keep the majority, all of this goes away. >> jill, that sounded to me like if we don't keep the majority, the president gets impeached. >> well, it sounds to me like we don't keep the majority, the truth will come out and we will know what's happening. and that's what he's worried about. and what i think americans should want to happen. we want to know the truth and we
see the truth. it is right in front of our eyes. so when are republicans going to realize what when they give reaches in fundraisers, they are being recorded and they are making mistakes. >> i think tonight. i think tonight is when they will realize that. we will have to take a break in here. i think the republicans might just figure that out. when we come back, we will be coming back to the trump swamp. the president's first congressional supporter gets arrested today and his secretary of commerce is accused by a business magazine of being one of the greatest grifters in american history. (ford chime) it's the ford summer sales event and now is the best time to buy. you ready for this, junior? yeah, i think i can handle it. no pressure... ...that's just my favorite boat. boom. (laughs) make summer go right with ford, america's best-selling brand. and get our best deal of the summer: zero percent financing for sixty months on f-150.
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when donald trump's campaign handlers told him to say he would drain the swamp in washington, he didn't understand what drain the swamp meant. he had never heard that phrase before. he didn't want to use it. but then he read it on the tell prompter at one of his rallies and the crowd went wild because they understood what it meant. clean up the corruption in washington. the way donald trump promised to do that was to put a rich guy in charge in the white house who could not be bribed and then he would hire other rich guys who would not be bribed. >> i love all people, rich or poor. but in those particular positions, i just don't want a poor person. does that make sense? does that make sense? >> and, so, donald trump hired the richest secretary of commerce in history, who forbes magazine is now calling among the biggest grifters in american history. and chris collins was arrested and charged with insider training and lying to the fbi.
he pleaded not guilty today in federal court in manhattan. prosecutors allege that the congressman shared inside information with his son about a bio tech company in which they were both heavily invested. congressman collins son and his son's wife and family members immediately sold off their stock, avoiding $750,000 in losses when the stock lost 90% of its value as soon as the inside information, which was bad news for the company, became public information a few days later. congressman collins actually made phone calls to his son to pass along the inside information while he was at a white house congressional pinic last year. there is video of him making those phone calls. ron widen said the collins indictment represents everything
trump and his allies have stood for since taking office. insiders getting special deals while americans are left in the dust. forbes has uncovered a pattern about the trump secretary of commerce wilbur ross. forbes uncovered a pattern. many of those who worked directly with him claim that ross wrongly siphoned or stole at least, if you consider them individually, but all tolled, these allegations would spark lawsuits, reimbursements and sec fine come to more than $120 million. dan alexander, the author of that report in forbes magazine joins us next, along with trump bio grapher, jim o'brian. chris collins refused to take questions tonight when he made a brief statement to the press.
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hundred roads named "park" in the u.s. it's america's most popular street name. but allstate agents know that's where the similarity stops. if you're on park street in reno, nevada, the high winds of the washoe zephyr could damage your siding. and that's very different than living on park ave in sheboygan, wisconsin, where ice dams could cause water damage. but no matter what park you live on, one of 10,000 local allstate agents knows yours. now that you know the truth, are you in good hands? chris collins refused to take questions tonight when he made a brief statement to the press. >> i believe i acted properly and within the law at all times with regard to my to filluation. i have followed all rules and ethical guidelines when it becomes to my personal investments. >> joining our discussion now, dan alexander and jim o'brian,
executive editor of bloomberg opinion. and dan alexander, i want to start with you and your extraordinary reporting on wilbur ross. being familiar with his business and his business history, i have been waiting since he was nominated to be the secretary of commerce for the dam to break on the multiple very swampy involvements and business history of wilbur ross. you seem to have done it with these interviews and the pattern of business he engaged in before becoming secretary and what he's done since becoming secretary. >> yeah. you know, there is a lot of rich guys who get sued for various things, but not like this. not by so many former partners, by so many investors to have such consistent allegations and
to have it all add up to such a significant amount of money. i mean, $123 million is a huge sum for anyone, including wilbur ross. >> and, dan, just take us through what he was supposed to do in terms of what he said he would do with his finances when becoming commerce secretary and what he actually didn't do. >> sure. so like all public officials, he made agreements before he took office that he would divest the majority of his holdings and in november of last year he certified that he, in fact, had done that on a sworn statement when, in fact, he had not done that. instead, he owned more than $10 million of stock that he didn't sell until a month and a half after that and he told stock in an air leasing company that he held on to for more than a year after he was supposed to and he had shorted a company that he said that he thought that he had
an interest in, so he was taking a short to cancel out that interest. but he didn't have an interest in it so the short wasn't necessary. all of this stuff he said was the result of simple mistakes. but it is hard to believe that one of the most sophisticated investors in the country would make so many significant mistakes at so many companies. >> how could this have gone wrong for donald trump? he told his audience you don't want poor people doing this work. you want rich guys in congress who can't be corrupted like chris collins and wilber ross. >> we learned that trump did not drain the swamp. he just filled it with bigger alligators. and dan's great reporting has really exposed just around the fact pattern everything that's untoward about ross's holdings while he's servings a the commerce secretary. there has been a lot of great
reporting in addition to dan's around this. the list is almost so long it would be impossible to get through it in this program. in addition to the stuff that dan has already pointed out, ross was negotiating trade agreements with china during a time when he owned a company that was exporting natural gas to china. he had another, a shipping company that was doing business in china was and partially owned by the chinese government while he's over seeing trade policy with china. he has another company that he's exporting steel from south korea at the same time that the trump administration is imposing steel tariffs on some of our competitors, but giving south korea an exception. all of this stuff just smells. it is amazing it has taken this long to come to a head.
>> how long have you been working on the ross story? >> well, there have been many ross stories. but i first started covering him about a year ago when we were looking to see how much money he was worth. that was when we uncovered that although he had been claiming to us for years that he had billions of dollars, he, in fact, did not. once you figured that out, then all this other stuff startled unrivaling. one investor told me once you figure out the guy is essentially a fraud you figure out that anything he says really isn't quite correct. >> tim, quickly take us inside the head of donald trump tonight. he's watching chris collins charged with these crimes, along with his son. does he see the possible mirror of donald trump and donald trump jr. because chris collins son might be faced with the choice of do i testify against my father in order to stay out of prison? >> that's just a great observation, lawrence. i have to believe that some of that resonates with trump. a lot of his behavior lately, lashing out on twitter and against law enforcement
officials is because he can't control an investigation in its entirety that's also starting to target his son and may eventual ly insnare his son-in-law and daughter-in-law. the other interesting thing in all of this is wilber ross's behavior is very similar to trump's, inflating their wealth, treating business partners poorly. trump probably looks in the mirror and sees ross. >> thank you for joining us. thanks for your great reporting. thanks for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> when we come back, michael cohen is in much worse trouble than we already thought michael cohen was in. come away with me barnabas! but i am a simple farmer. my life is here... [telephone ring] ahoy-hoy. alexander graham bell here... no, no, my number is one, you must want two! two, i say!!
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i mean the tv lawyers who only go on tv to talk about the cases and never actually do any real legal work for their clients. donald trump's tv lawyer is of course rudy giuliani whose only task is defending donald trump on tv. if president trump goes into court to fight a subpoena issue by robert mueller, it won't be rudy giuliani arguing the case. it will be a real lawyer who knows how to handle real courtroom situations, which rudy giuliani has not done in decades. same thing with lanny davis, who is michael cohen's tv lawyer, whose job is simply to go on tv and try and defend michael cohen and speak to reporters on and off the record, trying to defend michael cohen. if michael cohen finds himself charged with federal crimes, it won't be lanny davis standing beside him in real legal proceedings in a real legal courtroom that will be guy petrillo, a real legal defense lawyer hired months ago. so when lanny davis, the guy michael cohen hired just to talk to the press says no comment, that's lanny davis' way of saying wow, this case just got a lot worse for us.
"the wall street journal" is reporting that federal prosecutors in new york city are investigating michael cohen for possible tax fraud. sources told "the wall street journal" that michael cohen received hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash from his taxi business in new york, cash that was paid to him by another taxi operator evgeny freidman. the very bad news for michael cohen is that mr. freedman has already plead guilty to criminal tax fraud in a case brought by the new york state attorney. mr. friedman is report it will cooperating with investigators. for small-time tax evaders out there, it is very bad news when you find out that your accountant has been subpoenaed to testify to a grand jury by federal prosecutors. the "wall street journal" reported yesterday that michael cohen's accountant, jeffrey getzel has been subpoenaed by federal prosecutors. a report by cnn.com says jeff my getzel was subpoenaed by federal prosecutors before the raid by the fbi on michael cohen's office, hotel room, and home in april.
these reports also indicated that michael cohen is being investigated for bank fraud, including lying about his assets when applying for loans. now the penalties for tax evasion and bank fraud are much, much more severe than possible penalties for violation of campaign finance law that investigators were already considering in relation to michael cohen's arrangements to pay women for their silence about their relationships with donald trump during the presidential campaign. we will be right back with a last word on the troubles michael cohen has now. (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything so we know how to cover almost anything. even "vengeful vermin."
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in some kind of legal trouble. really, if you're not being indicted or haven't been indicted or aren't considering a plea deal, you're really the odd man out. but michael cohen we knew was in some trouble. now we know he is in a heap of trouble. what's significant, he is also in trouble from state authorities. and as we know, he cannot be pardoned by the president of the united states for state crimes. so i think the time that he is going to have to start cooperating feverishly with the prosecutors is coming closer and closer. >> and of course michael cohen knew what we've been learning about the investigation. he knew that long before we did. and so we now have to look back at his behavior, with the knowledge that he had, that he was being investigated for bank fraud and for tax fraud. >> correct. and the fact that he was apparently shut out of the president's inner circle, feeling abused and left alone to sort of flounder on his own, it also puts in context that raid on his office, his home, and his
hotel. the president was carrying on about how this was unprecedented. there was no reason for it. my gosh, given all the possible avenues of conviction here, you can sort of understand why they were looking for evidence anywhere they could find it. >> they had an awful lot of reasons for it. jennifer rubin gets tonight's last word. thank you, jennifer. "the 11th hour with brian williams" starts right now. about the threat russia poses to the november elections at the state level. and he was the first ever member of congress to support donald trump. today he was arrested and
trump trying to make a joke of bob mueller. the president's top two attorneys, jay sekulow and rudy giuliani taking three hours out of their day, not to work on the serious investigation itself, an investigate that giuliani has explicitly said he fears could lead to possible impeachment proceedings against the president of the united states. no, taking three hours to guest host a radio show and to be specific i'm talking about sean hannity of fox news radio show. >> hey, welcome to the sean hannity show. jay sekulow and mayor rudy giuliani. how about that? giuliani and sekulow. >> isn't that nice? >> that is. we can start all kind of speculation. >> sure, speculation that the president's lawyers are trying to become the next famous duo like an abbott and costello. listen to some of the questions that rudy and jay decided to take from callers. >> speaking in regards to
hillary clinton, we have proof of that. and why are we not pursuing that? why is not ag sessions pursuing those criminal acts? >> you got a little ring going on there? either you're keeping a really steady beat or you got -- right, or a click or you got your wipers on, it's one of the two. >> i just got to know that after this is over, that you guys are really going to drop the hammer on some of these people. i mean, comey, mila, all these other people. >> look, i have some experience with government officials that have not done appropriate conduct. >> they should be looking and investigating and charging barack obama with abuse of power. >> what do you think? >> i want to jump -- i would agree with you, it is crying out for an investigation. >> crying out for an investigation. happen to entertain all those sorts of questions, right? and even when rudy and jay were
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giuliani to set the tone for the white house. while the special counsel is not saying much but through their actions are not responding on their own to giuliani. >> their actions showing they are the ones who control the timetable here and in fact they do. democratic senator richard blumenthal who sits on the armed services and judiciary committees. frank bruni, "new york times" columnist. senator, okay, as ridiculous as it was, whether you see it as offensively ridiculous or hilariously ridiculous is almost not even the point. the trump team has said this is about public relations. then they do three hours of filling in for sean hannity with the trump base. is this actually going to help them? could they win in the court of public opinion by doing what they did today? >> they may win with their base. i doubt they are scoring very many points in the broader court of public opinion. what they are succeeding in doing, bit by bit, point by point, joke by joke, is trying
the law. he can be subpoenaed. and that subpoena will be upheld, jake sekulow notwithstanding. >> harry, when you hear all this, again, let's go back to this when they say hoax and witch hunt. they said that today, right, that's just par for the course at this point. 32 individuals have been charged. this investigation has been far from a hoax, if you look at it from any measurable -- >> absolutely right. we've seen now, even as the manafort trial of the president's former campaign manager proceeds towards the end of the government's case, we see parallel to it the investigators continuing to look at roger stone, subpoenaing one of his close associates today. another of his associations has been subpoenaed and has said he'd rather take contempt then testify. that will be appealed from a district judge to an appeals judge. even while he's working on the trial, mueller team, the mueller
team's also pursuing all these other leads. it's far from a witch hunt. there are many open leads of the investigation. >> you have the top two attorneys. we have the raskin couple working on this. this is how they spent three hours of their day, joking around, talking about obama being -- or hillary, whatever it was, right? >> as mentioned earlier, this is a public relations campaign. rudy giuliani is not doing much lawyering at all. he's doing a lot of spokesman duties. he's out there, day after day, hour after hour, with the most jock lar manner possible. he's trying to say what, we have nothing to worry about here. the way you knew that mueller's investigation would not wrap up, nor findings be announced by september 1st was the moment rudy giuliani said that must be the deadline. he was setting up something fake that could not possibly be met so they have a new club to bang mueller with. the same deal goes with the questions they said he won't answer. they're exactly the questions that mueller would want to ask him. so they're sort of setting these tests, these deadlines -- >> sort of why did you fire jim
the most serious indictments that robert mueller has issued against those russians. >> right. >> intelligence operatives. deployed by vladimir putin. he was not identified by name. but he was, in effect, named. so he faces so many very serious exposure. frank's absolutely right. the developments of this last week, even though we tend to focus on the circus and the side shows that giuliani/sekulow showed today, andrew miller was held in contempt of court. >> which is very significant. >> for refusing to appear in the grand jury. he has, as far as i can see, very little grounds for asserting any sort of privilege or any basis to not cooperate. plus there are those other associates who are close to roger stone and where roger stone's exposure is, very seriously, is his contacts with guccifer and the other russian fronts and what it means going forward. this is not only about what
how many things did he say he'd show us, we'd never seen the context of? >> other women he's vetting. >> right, avenatti has a lot of donald trump in him. >> and now what do you make of this as a senior democratic senator? would you support avenatti? >> i would not support avenatti for president of the united states. i'm not sure i'd support him for any political office unless he can demonstrate some knowledge of the issues. and something other than just showmanship. which perhaps he has done very well for his client. but less so maybe on the legal front. but the point here is that the trump team is relying on showmanship and circus, to bring down the investigation, to degrade and demean the process. and i think the court of public opinion's going to be very harsh on him. >> quick final word, how long do
you think it goes? is mueller really almost done? >> i don't think he's done. he's going to go quiet because he doesn't want to upset the election. so at some point in the fall, he's not going to charge anyone. but that doesn't mean his team is going to stop interviewing people, putting people in the grand jury, collecting efld evidence. getting ready for whatever comes next year. >> all right, thank you all very much. next, omarosa says she was offered $15,000 a month in hush money after leaving the white house. guess what, there's a document to prove it. and our next guest has seen it. plus, an eye-opening story. can a klansman who opened fire in last year's rally in charlottesville literally be reformed? >> some klans had a history of terrorizing black folks but not all klans did. >> and democratic candidate ben jealous drops the "f" bomb when asked is he a socialist. >> do you identify with the term socialist? >> are you [ bleep ] kidding me? >> and jealous will be
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this book is riddled with lies and false accusations. dossy wh broke the story for "the washington post." $15,000. i have to make sure everyone understands. adds up to $180,000 a year. omarosa says this cash offer was made by trump, the preseidents n daughter-in-law who has not responded to our request for comment. >> that was her salary also in the white house, $180,000. the offer came right after she left around january 20th. her last day in the white house was, you know, right around the 20th. a one-year mark of the presidency. she wanted to make it to the year mark. there was an extensive nondisclosure agreement that the "washington post" has reviewed independently that showed $15,000 a month for her in exchange to do some diversity outreach and fund-raising to the campaign and not make any negative comments about
president trump, vice president pebs, any members of his family, any of his businesses or any comments that would hurt the president in anyway. it's somewhat analogous here, the $15,000 a month that the rnc was paying the president's former body guard on retainer and a number of trump associations at the superpac america first, sean spicer, corey lewin douse ski for a while, no longer, are all on retainers as well. >> you've seen it. >> yes, i've seen it. >> you know this to be true this $15,000 a month offer was there. >> yes, i've reviewed it with my own eyes. the retainer is interesting because what it came after is john kelly comes in and fires her and says, you know, there are all these ethical issues, all these reasons you shouldn't be in the white house. these are serious issues, you must go. and then all of a sudden she's offered a similar job on the campaign. >> right. ethical issues a problem here, but not there. obviously that does not make
sense. the other thing, there are tapes. omarosa recorded some of her conversations. and you have listened. you personally, josh dossy, to some of these recordings. >> she's recorded extensively the conversations in the white house. and some of the recordings i have listened to as well. what i heard in the recordings are a lot of the exchanges in the book, some of the ones th t we quote from in the story. now, that said, everything is not, you know, fully vetted. not every claim she makes in the vet is fully vetted. but a lot of the claims in the book are backed up by tapes. omarosa had a tendency in the white house to record her conversations widely with aides, even with the president. people familiar with the tapes have told zblus did she hear anything with the president or any conversation you can check? >> can't disclose too much but i can tell you there are many of them and a lot of the book will
be backed up by tapes. >> the book, briefly, josh, also mentioned a tanning bed in the white house. she says there's one there. obviously other aides tell you there isn't. a lot of people are shooting at omarosa right now. >> well, she was not necessarily popular in the white house. she was a polarizing aide. for months even before she left, many of her colleagues thought she was taping them and they were correct. she -- a lot of folks in the white house didn't really know what she did all day. but she was popular in the president's eyes. a lot of her colleagues did not want her in senior staff meetings. wanted her gone. reince priebus didn't like her, john kelly didn't like her. at the same time, she still has the respect of the president and his family. i think now she's doing what a lot of her former colleagues feared she would do, write a scathing tell-all, where part of it is likely true, part of it may not be true, and it puts the white house on the defensive because she was makie ining $18 a year, she was one of the most prominent people in the government. you can't just say she's a
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she blames president trump for the racial tension in america as her city braces for another white nationalist rally this weekend. >> well, you know, when you are comfortable with spewing that kind of hate as 45 appears to be, then it definitely is causing turmoil within the community and making people feel very comfortable with subjecting others to that level of hate. >> now, the governor of virginia has already declared a state of emergency in anticipation of the unrest. this as our sara sidner speaks with a kkk imperial wizard, a man who attended last year's rally and was arrested for shooting a gun there. i want to warn you, some of the language you will hear in her report is disturbing. >> i shot a gun. i may have had a flame thrower. >> reporter: richard admitting what he did during the deadly white nationalist unite the rally last year in
charlottesville. that's profit, yelling the nn"n word, aiming and firing. preston spoke to cnn for the first time since he pleaded no contest in the case against him. are you sorry for shooting the gun? >> no, because i protected -- no, because i protected people on the steps. that's all i was doing. >> reporter: you did say the "n" word. why, why? >> if you're standing in a group of 1,000 black folks. >> reporter: there wasn't 1,000 black folks around you. >> okay, a large group of black people, okay, how do you get one black man's attention in a crowd full of black people? >> reporter: you say hey, you with the torch. there's a thousand ways. he said he went to protect a confederate statue as a member of a militia, but he also wears another hat. >> the heck with all these illegals. >> reporter: that of an imperial wizard of a ku klux klan.
do you hate black people? >> no, i have friends that are black. >> reporter: but you're an imperial wizard of a ku klux klan group. and the klan has a history of terrorizing black folks. how can you say that. >> some klans did but not all klans did. i've never terrorized a black person in my life. >> reporter: why not join the kiwanis club? why not call it something different? why the ku klux klan? >> i want to see the klan become what it once was. >> reporter: he references this, the second rising of the klan, when thousands marched through washington in 1925. >> at that time, that march was about the fact that our country was allowing imgrant ining img here, change their names, no documentation. if your name was schwarschwarzk you could come here and call yourself schwartz, and nobody cared. >> reporter: he fails to mention it was about keeping blacks jews and immigrants from rising socially or politically. he says his plan is different. >> it's not about a black man, a white man, a red man and a yellow man. it's about a red, white and
blue. >> reporter: he's still awaiting sentencing in charlottesville. while he waits, something remarkable is happening because of this man. r&b musician errol davis has spent decades engaging with klan members and challenging their beliefs. he and preston have talked for years via phone. suddenly, davis was standing up for preston in court. what do you say to the judge? >> testified on his behalf. i also paid part of his bail money to get him out. >> reporter: you paid part of his bail money? >> i did. >> reporter: is he taking you for a fool? using you? >> no, not at all. not at all. >> reporter: how do you know? >> because he and i were already friends. i said, i'm willing to take mr. preston and he has agreed to go down to this museum with me and take a tour of it and learn something. >> reporter: he's referring to the national museum of african-american history. >> seeing what he's going to see there is going to plant a seed. the seed may not blossom today,
tomorrow, the next day. but eventually, he'll come out. because the truth never -- can never be squashed. >> reporter: the two men bonding over history and returning to davis' home to find another shared passion. his track record speaks volumes. davis says 200 of the klansmen he's befriended over the years have left the group. more than 40 of them with a simple gesture. relinquishing their klan robes to him. you don't think you'll ever give up your robe? >> no, i'll be buried in it. >> reporter: then this happened. richard preston who had never been married, had daryl davis at his klan wedding. >> as you stand in the presence of god. >> reporter: this time, it was david giving something away. the bride. >> his friendship has been something really special to me. >> he wanted me to be a part of this wedding. that's beautiful. that's a seed planted. >> reporter: considering their relationship and the fact that
the white nationalists unite the right rally is scheduled to be here in d.c., i asked both men where they thought race relations in this country were headed. they both said they thought it would get worse before it gets better. erin. >> all right, sara, thank you very much. another incredible report there from sara. now, let's go to the national affairs correspondent at the nation. and paris denard, member of the president re-elect council. let's just play an exchange here from the piece, between her and preston. here it is. >> do you hate black people? >> no, i have friends who are black. >> he's an imperial wizard with the kkk. he says but don't worry, i've never terrorized a black person. says he'll be buried in his robe though. >> he shot a gun at a black person while using the "n" word, so we actually saw something that proved that he's lying. >> do you think that daryl davis
can change his mind? >> i don't know, god bless him, i hope he does, but he hasn't so far. he's going to be married -- or buried, he's going to be buried in his robe. you know, people are entitled to spend their lives that way. i really respect mr. davis for making that effort. but i don't see it coming too much when it comes to richard preston. that was a disturbing report actually. >> paris, what's your reaction? >> well, you know, one of the things i just -- that made me pause is we've been dealing with this issue of racism for so many years in this country. many since the foundation, if you want to go back that far. but from a point of a 19 25 rally, going down street, where we've seen presidents and their co funerals and we've seen all the things we've been proud about as a nation and we've seen -- we've seen that happening in 1925. tells me that while we've made a lot of progress, significant progress, in terms of race
relations and the plight of african-americans in america, we still have a long way to go. and i just think that this klansman is just doing what i believe all of these white supremacists and kkk members do, is manipulate the media to spread their platform. and it's unfortunate that they try to mask it and say he's really a friend and david duke does this every campaign season and it's unfortunate because all they want to do is have a platform to spread hate. it's a terrible thing to do. >> okay. of course, you know, this is -- let's just remember the president of the united states has said there are good people on both sides when it comes to these white supremacists and imperial wizards. i want to give you a chance to listen to what the charlottesville mayor said on cnn when asked if the president is responsible for the racial division and tension we're seeing now. here's the response. >> well, you know, when you are
comfortable with spewing that kind of hate, as 45 appears to be, then it definitely is causing turmoil within the community and making people feel very comfortable with subjecting others to that level of hate. >> paris. >> i can understand how the mayor, mayor walker, of charlottesville is trying to search for an answer, trying to find a reason, a rationale, as to why something so disgusting could happen in 2017, united states of america, in a city she runs. everyone wants to find the reason, the rationale, to point their finger at somebody. >> do you agree, paris, there's good people on both sides? like the president said? >> erin burnett, don't ask me ridiculous questions. >> why is it a ridiculous question? you're saying it's going on since the beginning of the country, acting like the president of the united states
has nothing to do with it. i am asking you, as a supporter of him, do you agree? >> i'm saying, again, that's a ridiculous question. >> why is it a ridiculous question, you should be able to answer it, paris. >> erin, it's a ridiculous question because you know that the president was not talking about the 1925 rally. >> no, he was talking about the white supremists, one of whom killed someone at a rally one year ago this weekend, that's who he was talking about. >> it's a very simple yes or no question. were there good people in charlottesville protesting as nazis and white supremacists? >> first of all, i didn't know this was the joan walsh show -- >> joan is allowed to ask a question. you can ask one too, paris, but right now, i'd appreciate if you'd answer. >> i'll answer your ridiculous question by saying the president could have been talking about mayor walker, if she was there, and actually the woman who was tragically killed by that racist was somebody who i believe was
and will always be a good person that was there. >> but she was on one side -- >> we're talking about the na s nazis. >> heather heyer was on one side. they were on the same side, paris. >> let's be clear, joan, joan, joan -- >> asked about the other side, the nazis and the white supremacists. >> joan, when you get a show, i'll come on it, but until then -- >> i'm a guest on this show. erin's fine with what i'm doing. >> i'm not going to be accosted by you. >> i'm not accosting you. i'm having a conversation. >> i'm not having a conversation with you, joan. >> we're on the same show together. we're both cnn contributors. it's your job actually. >> paris, i feel like you're being needlessly belligerent. >> i'm not being belligerent. >> i asked you if there were good people on both sides. the answer is yes, i agree, or no, there is not. why is it hard to answer? >> because i'm not going to let you do and try and do what you all do regularly in the media, which make it seem as if president trump is by any means
responsible for what happened in charlottesville or to make it seem like the president feels that the murder of that woman was somehow good or justified or that -- >> i said nothing about what he thought about the murder of that woman. i simply am quoting what he said and asking you if you agree. >> it's a simple question. >> that is what he said. that's a fact, paris. >> you know what else is a fact, the president denounced hatred, violence and bigotry. denounced them before charlottesville. it doesn't matter how long it took him to do it but he did it multiple times. >> paris, you really thing it doesn't matter how long it took him to do it? i'm kind of shocked how long it's taking you to say that you think there aren't good people on both sides. >> because i'm not going to take the bait and do what you all do here in the media. >> all you needed to say is i don't agree with that. there's so many ways you could have answered the question. >> i don't agree with what you do. don't tell me how -- just because you don't like my answer, doesn't mean it's not the right answer. >> i'm calling you out for not
answering. >> i'm calling you out for asking ridiculous questions and making inferences about the president and about me and it's inappropriate and it's wrong. you could have had a conversation, which i tried to do, about the video that you played, but what you did end up doing is try to make a correlation between that charlottesville and the president of the united states, just because the mayor was searching for a person to blame for it. if you want to blame somebody, blame the racist. if you want to find somebody to blame, blame the racist who killed that poor woman. but those people are evil. those people are horrible. and the president denounced it and i have denounced it. and i'm going to do it again. >> okay there you go. now you've done it. paris, to be clear, it is the mayor who said -- it is the person that is 45, by the way, she refuses to call the president by his name, which is a separate issue, and i think a big problem that people do that. >> a huge problem, it's disrespectful. >> she is the one who said he is causing this. okay. >> i said -- >> she's not alone. the nazi yesterday that sara
interviewed said it was november 2016 -- >> erin, you're an accomplished journalist, you know full well what they're trying to do. >> that's just factual -- >> no, david duke comes on every presidential campaign and he endorses and supports the republican because that's the only way he can get credibility. so what you all do is fall for it, hook line and sinker every time. the white supremacist and the racist wants to come on. they say we support donald trump. we like donald trump. >> i wonder why. do they say that about romney? i don't remember that. i don't remember david duke saying i love john mccain. i don't remember david duke saying i love mitt romney, i'll all for mitt romney. i just don't remember that, paris. i'm not sure it happened. >> it's a media ploy and you fall for it -- >> is it? >> yes, it is. >> so you're tell meg that happened and i forgot it? >> erin, to answer your question, because it's not joan's show, i believe what's happening is the media is the media is allowed to be played by these racists and you all give them a platform and you feed
into the narrative by asking me ridiculous questions. when he's denounced racism, bigotry and violence multiple times back in 2016 -- >> somebody of mexican heritage wouldn't be able to weigh in on his case because he called mexicans rapists -- these are fair questions and that's the -- >> you can make whatever arguments you want but they're fair and important questions and they matter to a whole heck of a lot of people in this country. thank you both very much for being with me. i want to end it there. >> -- what i believe as well, the platform you give to racists, and you're drawing insincere and ridiculous conclusions about a narrative about this president because you hate them -- >> have a great weekend, erin. >> you do the same. and joan, it's not your show. get one if you -- >> i'm well aware. >> no, you act like it's not, but you have a great day and god bless you. >> god bless you. >> thank you, both. >> erin, that was to you. next, trump insults nfl player's intelligence. why is it such a familiar line of attack? >> she is a low iq individual,
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new tonight, president trump going on offense again against nfl players protesting during the national anthem. tweeting, the nfl players are at it again, taking a knee when they should be standing proudly for the national anthem. numerous players wanted to show their outrage at something most of them are unable to define. after several players took a knee or raised a fist or stayed off the field for the first preseason games. joining me now, the former naacp president ben jealous. i appreciate your time tonight. so the president says these p y players are protesting something that, quote, most of them are unable to define. does -- is that questioning their intelligence and understanding of why they're doing something or would that interpretation go too far in
your view? >> yes, i'm not sure. what i know is that he came out and he said what he said about our great basketball player, lebron james. we know -- we heard on the tease what he said about maxine waters, congressman waters. so it's certainly within the realm of possibility. >> you mentioned that. let me just share some of this with people. if people are not familiar. the president does have a history of accusing some of his african-american critics of lacking intelligence. you mentioned lebron james. that was mentioned in the context of my colleague don lemon here at cnn. the president tweeting lebron james was just interviewed by the dumbest man on television. don lemon. he made lebron look smart, which wasn't easy to do. >> has he ever met don? >> the president? yes, he has met don. he said positive things about him at times too. but that was what he said. i'll play again for you, ben, the -- what he said about maxine waters so people can understand
the broader context of why this question's being asked. here's the president. >> she is a low iq individual, mack se maxine waters. honestly, she's somewhere in the mid-60s. i believe that. >> so don lemon's the dumbest man on television. and, don is, you know, so dumb he made -- >> don is brilliant and lebron is brilliant. >> is this racism from the president? >> this president -- what is real, and we feel it here in the dmv, as coming into d.c. this weekend, we have all of these very hateful people who are clearly inspired by this president. whether he's hateful or whether he just inspires hateful people, either way, he's not the one who should be leading our country. and we frankly need to be led by people who are going to pull us together, not tear us apart. >> as you're running, you know, you had a
>> as you were run, you had a passionate moment. you were asked yesterday whether you would define yourself as a socialist, after your opponent in maryland larry hogan used that term to describe your politics in a negative way. here's how the exchange unfolded. >> not to put too fine a point on it, but do you identify with the term social -- >> are you [ bleep ] kidding me? is that a fine enough point? >> you were laughing. you have apologized obviously for dropping the f-bomb there. but my question to you, ben, why did you speak out so passiona passionately against socialism. it seemed what you were saying there is no f-ing way i'm a socialist and don't put that on me. am i wrong? >> no, that's absolutely right. even when i campaigned for bernie sanders, i was very clear. i'm a venture capitalist, a practicing capitalist. one of frankly not that many black men in our country who actually have the responsibility of investing in early stage
companies. and i'm proud of that. and what happened right before that, the reason i felt so passionately, that's what you asked was quite frankly, these types of labels have a long history of being used against black people to discredit us. it was what barry goldwater call king, what the tea party called obama socialist, now maryland governor is using to smear these vicious attack ads he's been running for weeks. we know why he has been doing it. we said if he runs attack ads near labor day, he is worry head might lose. he started running them before t the fourth of july. he is clearly, clearly worried. but what the people of our state deserve is a real debate. why is it our schools on his watch have dropped from first to sixth? why is our economy dead last in the region as far as growth? why is it the overwhelming majority of us feel like we're no better off and many feel
worse off than four years ago, and what are we going to do to finally get health care costs under control? that's what we don't get to talk about. >> well, ben, i appreciate your time. this is a race we're watching very closely. i was born and bred on the eastern shore of maryland. so it is a race of utmost interest and importance to me. thank you very much i appreciate the time. >> appreciate you. i was down in salisbury last night. >> that's where i'm from. >> they're very proud of you. >> thank you. and next, trump in-laws using a system the president wants to get rid of in order to become legal citizens. their attorney speaking out tonight, next. hair. that's why pantene has the perfect conditioners for everyone. from air-light foam, to nourishing 3 minute miracle, to the moisture-infusing gold series. we give more women great hair days - every day. pantene. metastatic breast cancer is relentless, but i'm relentless too. mbc doesn't take a day off, and neither will i. and i treat my mbc with new everyday verzenio-
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who wants to spend time with her parents and be able to spend time with her family, she sponsored them to become american citizens, correct? >> absolutely. look, let's put things in perspective here. at a best, the president's intention is to protect us from terrorists and isis and to have a better vetting system to make sure qualified people come to the united states. melania trump is not president of the united states. she's married to the president of the united states, and, yes, years ago she began the process as an american citizen following millions of others in trying to bring her parents to the united states. they got green cards and eventually when they were interested and eligible, they on their own then applied lawfully for citizenship and obtained the great privilege yesterday. mrs. trump effectively, and i spoke to her this afternoon, has given great comfort as she does the nation's work knowing that her parent, the grandparents of her child can actually work and look after her son while she's
traveling with the president. this is a tradition that happens in all rank, in all files of life, whether you're president of the united states, and that is the first naturalized first lady that we have, or people who eventually navigate through the waters into america. this is a tradition where we have hinged doors, those golden doors have been hinged and the whole idea of calling this chain migration is really outside of the ethos of what was intended. >> you speak of this eloquently. her love of her parents is someone everyone hopefully can connect with, right? something everyone would want to do, bring your parents to a country if you moved there. but family members bringing in family members just because they are family members is something the president opposes. and when say opposes, i don't need to tell you this, michael, but i'll tell our viewers. i mean he vehemently opposes it. i want to play how strongly he feels so our viewers can understand. >> chain migration is a disaster for this country.
chain migration is terrible. chain migration is a killer. >> chain migration, it's horrible, it's horrible. >> the chain is like a disaster. you bring one person in, you end up with 32 people. you come in, and now you can bring your family. and then you can bring your mother and your father, you can bring your grandmother. we have to end chain migration. we have to end chain migration. >> your client, including the first lady clearly don't agree. >> well, tell us how you think, mr. president. let me take off one-half as the first lady's immigration lawyer and her family and put on my own personal hat. it's unconscionable to scare people into bringing that you cannot bring nephews. you cannot bring uncles. you can't bring 32 people. this whole notion of chain
migration is a beautiful notion called family reunification. imagine this. people will work harder and love more and do more for america knowing that their loved ones, their immediate relatives, their parents, their children, to say you can bring one relative and not another relative, i can understand that some of them may be in jeopardy, and you may want to retool and ancient migration system. but chain migration. no family reunification. >> and you're talking about a policy the president despises. you're doing it on cnn, a network the president publicly despises. you said you talked to the first lady today. obviously she knows you're on the show tonight, right? you're on cnn. you're here. you're talking about it. she know, right? >> absolutely. and to the first lady's credit, from day one she knew i'm a former mayor in new jersey. i just succeeded in a primary as i hope to be mayor of my city again, that i'm a very proud democrat. i'm a second generation immigration lawyer. my father represented john lennon in a celebrated case
that does it for our show. rachel h rachel. don't go anywhere. "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. power trip let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. breaking news from the associated press. just broke the news reported that omarosa manigault newman has more than tapes. just broke.
we begin the other big story news tonight. obsessed with power. president trump appears ready and willing to use his office to punish enemies like omarosa. scare others including his own people into submission. having revoked security clearances, trump is weaponizing the presidency. axios reports president trump has become enamored with power. consultation with anyone else. when it comes to yanking security clearances it is a power that is uniquely and solely hiss. matches his idea of how the presidency ought to be. pure power and instant
gratification. investigating his enemies. yesterday "vanity fair" reported that trump told advisors that he wants attorney general sessions that he wants omarosa manigault arrested. unconcerned with the consequences with the actions he has taken to date. key figures inside the mueller probe. as the washington post reports the president is eager to invoke more security clearances. because he believes he has emerged looking strong and decisive. let's listen. >> i know that i've gotten tremendous response from having done that because security clearances are very important to
me, very, very important. and i have had a tremendous response for having done that. >> is this political retribution, sir? >> i am giving him a bigger voice. many people don't even know who he is. and now he has a bigger voice and that is okay with me. i like taking on voices like that. i never respected him. >> dozen former cia leaders have band together to rebuke the president for unprecedent behavior. they write, we have never before seen the approval or removal of security clearance used as a political tool as was done before. some 60 more cia officials join with former directors in protesting the president's conduct. joining me know is former cia
director. i want to start with john. you know, i am not sure trump cares where he shoots. he is shooting. if anybody gets in his way, he goes with whatever weapon he can find in his holster. he wants to arrest omarosa. he wants his attorney general to go out and arrest her. suing her isn't enough. he does know he is allowed to yank security clearances so first weapon of choice. >> in this case, i don't think he looks strong and determined. he looks thoughtless and like a mad king. i have seen this movie before and it is never in a democracy. frankly, he has been very transparent about this. not much artiface in his
response. the guy is erratic. >> i often thought demagoguery is not a long-term good career move. the rest died hideously. >> the other problem with this is it is not going to work because you can revoke the security clearances unilaterally of people who are out of government and who aren't actively using them anyway. but the problem with revoking security clearances as a strategy for dealing with your political problems is most of the people who have them need them to do jobs that they are doing in the service of you. so you know, what are you going to do. >> you are talking about governing. trump is not interested what you are talking about. >> if you want to run the cia, you have to have people in security. >> you are long-term thinking. reporting now, he loves any power he can get. >> i think there are moments
where we need to remind people that trump's presidency in itself a grand experiment in the american experience. never had a public without public service experience, government experience, military experience. and never had a president without no accountability. he was a sole proprietor. here is why people are, you talk about franco and other dictators. here is why we are having this discussion. people comparing his move to nixon, having an enemies list. creeping towards authoritarian. nixon at least new enough to be embarrassed of his list. >> he says they are enemies of the people. i think trump is back on his
heels. i think everything he is doing with brennan is reacting than omarosa. and she has a lot more ammo than he has ever thought of. apparently getting to the next segment, she has e-mails, documents video, tape, everything. we are going to get to a lot of stuff. she has a hell of an arsenal. i think he is reacting. brennan paid the price to omarosa. tapes scare trump. because it is not fake news. it is real. it's existent. your thoughts. you know this guy. >> well, first i agree with you 100%. donald trump is back on his heels and he is like a coronened
animal. he knows what she is capable of. and we are hearing about more tapes, videos, e-mails. >> that has got to concern him. also, let's not forget whenever he got after whether it is stormy daniels, omarosa, his bark is way worse than his bite. none of these nondisclosure agreements have held up. and he went after brennan. this man who is weak and petty, not surprisingly put himself before country. it is all about himself and nothing to do with the security of this i didn't. >> occasionally, more often for his own good, or too often for
his own good, admits stuff. as i mentioned appears to be an ulterior motive. trump made his decision weeks ago about brennan. announced the action wednesday amidst an onslaught of news coverage. john, i know you are concerned about your institution, the cia, and the government of the united states, this president is primarily concerned about covering his butt. >> yeah. >> and he will use anything. >> i think that is why you see the signatures of all of these people on these letters. >> yeah. >> it's because all of them, particularly the directors and deputy directors have had governing responsibility, responsibility for granting these clearances, for adjudicating them, and revoking them on occasion. they have had them to do it under the law, fairly, and with
integrity. and it affects the security of the united states. it has never been done in my memory for any political reason. do it for that reason, and you are going to end up in court. the president has the authority to do it, i don't think he should. all of this is governed by executive order. >> people who have spent their life working for the fbi, and cia, i know through relatives and people, see themselves as working for america, the country, not some bureaucracy. they see themselves as the good guys and they don't make a lot of money. they do this their whole life because they think this is a cause, almost like a vocation, being somebody of god if you will because it is about country. and they want to defend these institutions. they believe people working with them is the same, serving their
country. trump comes along and what is his system? >> you left out something that is implied what you said and you didn't articulate it. and i want to flesh it out. people actually believe, i know people outside of washington have trouble with this. but it is really true that the people who work in these agencies have a deep seeded idea of a political service. and they don't go in there as democrats or republicans. i know the fashionable thing to think about them as a deep state that has cosmic political interest of their own and that is not the way they think of it. they think of it as service to country. >> guys and women who want to get the facts out. >> how many jobs were created last month. >> it is important to know this. >> and people, people, there are people in the cia who work on
very particular parts of the world, political economy in myanmar. they want to get the political economy in myanmar right. >> debate club. >> and then you have these value systems that trump is up against that he doesn't fathom. he doesn't understand selfless service. he doesn't know what that is. >> he can't even fake it. and that comes, that comes off to people who actually went in with a service mentality. >> he is going after some people, not just going after his so-called enemies or what he calls enemies of the people. he is going after people who might testify against them. people involve in the mueller probe. >> that was the point i was going to make.
he put out an expanding list. no one pushing back on him. response in congress, not getting a lot of push back there. when you look at people like sally yates, they have been involved in some former fashion in the russian investigation as well. two things, speaking out against him, and involvement in the russian investigation. i've got to say, i was a little surprised not to have push back on the hill >> you mean his republicans who find no fault with this man. >> kennedy called him political and a butt head. >> so there is either going along with it and defending it or just completely down-playing it. >> chris, can i add a point. >> go ahead, john. >> i am disappointed in the reaction of his party including
people i respect senator burr and graham and so forth. i don't know that they know what they are doing. in societies that goes bad, what happens is the laws are set aside, the procedures are set aside. and what they have said about brennan is they don't like him. he deserves it. that is not a reason to pull a security clearance. if you say we are going to do it because these guys deserve it. you erode the process of governing. >> where is this guy going. that jury is sitting right there and kissing up to manafort right now today as they are deciding his fate. trump saying good guy. nothing stopping trump. when nixon went after charles manson, that was messing with the jury pool.
this guy is talking to a jury that is sitting this weekend. >> he is also projecting a bit. one of the things that scares him a bit is mueller might have his tax returns. and that is one thing that manafort is on trial for tax evasion and other things. i don't think he cares about manafort. i think he cares about how it reflects on him. and concerned about where this investigation is going and where his tax returns will show up. >> the a mmen corner if he -- >> i don't know. it is so disappointing that these members are not doing their job. they are not putting country first. and you know, that's where donald trump is successful. he made this about an individual, about brennan who has been talking badly about
him. that is where he is able to be successful and attacking people. the senators say, oh, well, he is just one person. let's see where donald trump takes this. because there is only so much people are going to take from the republican party before they completely bolt. >> if you did this all on one day and you stripped all of these people of their security clearance on the same day, we would be talking about it as a saturday night massacre. you do it in slow motion and you get used to it along the way. let's talk about the tank coming at the president, omarosa, one name and that is all she needs. and he is petrified. as bad as it is, it is reactive. he is scared to death of somebody with tape. tape has caused him trouble. thank you very much.
john brennan will be rachel maddow's guest. 9:00 tonight. first appearance since president trump revoked his security clearance. omarosa has as many as 200 more tapes she can release. like time released aspirin. trump's access hollywood tape that triggered michael cohen to give stormy daniels money. trump's overblown, overpriced military parade gets canceled. and escalating fight with new york governor andrew cuomo. how the major news papers
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. still no verdict in the bank and tax fraud case against paul manafort. the jury wrapped up day two of deliberations. back to work on monday morning. president trump spoke about the trial today calling it a sad day for our country. talk about jury tampering. let's watch. >> i don't talk about that now. i think the whole manafort trial is very sad. when you look at what is going on there. it is a very sad day for our country. he worked for me for a short period of time but you know what, he happens to be a very good person. and i think it is sad what they have done to paul manafort. >> are you listening members of the jury, he wants you to be. be right back.
welcome back to "hardball." brand new reporting tonight that omarosa manigault newman has more than just audio tapes. she has a stash, apparently a big one of e-mails, text messages and hard documentation supporting claims against president trump. coming after released tapes already. she says she wasn't done yet and that is apparently true. let's watch. >> i'm not going to be bullied. i am not intimidated. going to go toe to toe with him. believe me, my tapes are better than theirs. >> thank you both. i like your reporting and your writing.
let me go to ken. you reported she has hundreds of tapes. how do you react to the news that somebody is getting the reporting tonight of associated press that she has other forms of proof. everything is documentable oopz. >> either she was going to cash in in her experience. or she was going to need to protect herself because she thought the trump inner circle. she is playing trump's tactics against him effectively in a way that is driving him crazy as you can see from his twitter feed. >> do you know whether she began collecting this documentation, especially the audio tapes when
she knew she was going to be dumped on or disposed of or she knew from the beginning. >> it was after she learned that things were going south. in very trumpian fashion, she is suggesting there is more out there. telling certainly, and telling in the content and also to hear these things directly from some of the people in their voice. but it is not bombshells. we haven't seen anything super explosive. just like trump saying he has barack obama's birth certificate. >> trump was full of bs on his claims. she is providing. what she is providing so far is interesting to me.
first is laura -- it was just money. we knew some of that was going on. the super pac has a lot of people who were working for it. who don't have clear job description and fit into the categories of just hangers on. that said, to hear laura trump make that offer, it is powerful and it does lead us wanting to know what else she had. >> i never heard of a job conversation where the offer of a job is primarily about the money. if you want to give a speech now that would be okay. it sounds like hush to me. hush, hush sweet omarosa. >> it does. if you want to talk, if you want to exist, it is fine but please don't hurt us. that smopeaks to how important is. >> i think general kelly, when
he tried to erase her from the scene. please leave the building. any idea what kind of order of battle she has. >> it is fascinating. this is one of the crisis that trump has responded to most strongly. an existential threat to the whole trump m.o. which is about being slippery with the truth. x one day, and y the next. when there is hard evidence, you can't do that anymore. >> if you are trump and you think you are the smartest guy in your family, i think that is fair to assume, he thinks so. and these people in his family that aren-- and then that laurah got taped, his daughter-in-law. i wonder if he is worried, what
in hell does that woman have on my kids because they don't know they are being taped. your thoughts. that is what i think trump worried about. actually, she has already taped him too. >> yeah. and you even hear lara trump's tone in that tape that you guys did obtain. i don't think omarosa went in with this expectation of loyalty and sort of a warm mutual relationship. she was butting heads with people from the beginning. a long list of folks that were on her bad side. she had motivation to be recording. and some of the tapes that she has released thus far in my opinion are not super conde
condemntory. it should raise concerns about who else she has. >> it was just broke christina that the reason they gave $130,000, a lot of money, it was because they heard the "access hollywood" tapes and they got spooked. >> it shows the power of the tapes. and it shows what trump's usual method was. completely lie about the whole affair and somebody had the evidence and suddenly it doesn't work and that is frightening to trump. >> i love it when he says that is not my voice on the tape. great to have you on. christina or christine? >> christine. up next, my colleague is going to join us to tell us about his interview tonight. what is this hard right
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country back in the '80s, is this whole thing of maximization. i like the fact that elizabeth warren ripped me off. >> that was former white house chief strategist, steve bannon coming on tonight at 10:00 with ari melber. steve bannon was a leading force in president trump's campaign. pushing a nationalist agenda called america first. tougher trade policies. now, 18 months into his presidency, we face an unsettled trade war with trump. so what happened to trump's agenda that looked attractive to some people a little bit, who were smart, a little bit.
joining us is the anchor of "the beat," ari melber. when this guy bannon was first out there, it was just awful. he seemed too far right. around the edges were things that were attractive to people. things like no more stupid wars. we are going to rebuild this country. we are going to rebuild stuff here. i don't see that. i see a guy saber rattling in trump. i don't see a guy pursuing rebuilding the country, and staying out of stupid wars. has this guy lost his influence. >> he is out. he is on the outs and trying to claw his way back in. some of the things that we talk about in this interview that is
airing later, how do you say that donald trump is for the working class when 83% of the tax cut benefits go to the top 1%. and how do you deal with an infrastructure that said was going to passed. how do you deal with wall street when you don't take them on. >> let's take a look. i think you are going to give me a piece. let's take a look at your interview tonight, a little tease. >> we do not want to isolate america -- >> we got the wrong thing up there. we are going to have to wait. that was frustrating. let's go. >> this election is going to come as a rerferendum on him. those around him are telling him it is okay to lose the house. you can run against a democratic house in 2020 is bad advice.
>> this guy says you lose the house, you lose subpoena power. and the house can come get you. >> this is where the republicans are in a divide. you have folks in washington around trump and down the hill, who are basically privately saying the house is written off and they will deal with it. bannon, whether you like him or not, a lot of people don't, he was the guy who backed up trump after "access hollywood" and then they did go to win in november. he wants this to be no holds bar and say impeachment of trump is on the table. he talks about his daughter in the military and what it means. and how does that square with support with roy moore. and if we are going to have
gender equality, don't you have to take on patriarchy. this is a guy who is clearly reviled, is also getting in in a way other conservatives aren't. he is trying to push this conversation even as donald trump says they are not buddies. >> i think people have to listen to him and i congratulate you in getting them on. people on the center left where i am, they need to hear this other side. it is not going to change anybody's minds but you have got to know what you are up against. >> in 2016, people were caught by surprise because we weren't listening to everything. >> we thought hillary clinton was going to win right up until 8:30 election night. not enough angry white people. thank you, ari melber. full interview with steve bannon airs tonight ten eastern.
rachel has john brennan on tonight. and he is right in the middle of the news. up next giving our round table a chance to weigh in. he is hitting them because he is scare of manigault. trump blaming the districts of columbia in stopping his bastille day parade. he is blaming the mayor of d.c. you are watching "hardball." sy, thanks to medicine that didn't exist until now. and today can save your life. ♪ ♪ your hair is so soft! did you use head and shoulders two in one?
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parade. today trump wrote on twitter, the politicians who run washington d.c. poorly know a windfall when they see it. i canceled it. d.c.'s mayor tweeted yup, i am muriel bowser. $21.6 milli $21.6 million of parades events, demonstrations in trump country. sad. you may remember trump got military parade envy after attending a bastille day parade in france. joined by political corresponders for routers. what do you make of this.
if trump would have wanted his parade, he would have gone back with numbers crunchers and got the numbers down. >> when he tweeted today that d.c. is poorly run, what he was doing is harkening back to the d.c. of the 1980s and 1990s. >> in the public eye, it is run by african americans and it works for him. >> we should say that d.c. has a budget surplus these days. and that was not the d.c. that president trump was talking about. >> you are talking -- >> and by the way, this is consistent with this guy. go ahead. >> you talk about how he is cutting welfare in the city and that is the impression of d.c. that people have. bowser is the most popular mayor in d.c. history. >> clean as a whistle. >> they were planning on doing
this in november. the president has a good chance of losing the house. i don't think it mattered that the pentagon didn't want to pay for it, and the city didn't want to pay for it. he didn't want to look like a fool. >> some of these weapons are heavy that they leave tracks on tar. meanwhile president trump escalated a new fight, a new war front. fighting with everybody like groucho marx these days. >> we are not going to make america great again, it was never that great. we have not reached greatness. >> well, governor cuomo received a backlash for that mark. president trump's said cuomo's
comments could be career threatening. cuomo told reporters the expression i used was unartful. >> we have to remember that andrew cuomo is in a re-election fight. there are a lot of people, if you are a minority, if you are a woman, that doesn't think america reached greatness for you. >> do you think it was a smart punch? >> we are in a -- >> why did he take it back? >> because your base hears you. and they are happy with what you are saying and they think you are taking it back because somebody made you. >> go ahead john. >> andrew cuomo is lucky that
anything he says on the campaign trail will be better than that. that is a low moment for him. >> up state new york, by the way. >> what i am hearing from cuomo's camp is we should expect him to be punching at donald trump a lot more. an opportunity for him to draw a contrast between the view of government that trump has and what he is doing in new york. >> i agree with you. when you say america was dandy 50 years ago, anyboin the ''50s. >> he wants the trump and trump wants the fight. two politicians that think fighting makes them look stronger. >> the minute you have to explain your argument, you lost your argument. >> he has this standing in new york. >> let me ask you a question.
i have been listening to you off camera. do you believe the poles that show you so far ahead of cynthia nixon, he can't lose. >> i think he is quite popular in the state and i think it would be however unwise of him to write it off. we have seen in 2010 when a wave shows up unexpected. and cuomo is going to make sure he is not one of those. >> spends hundreds of thousands of dollars on polls. >> i think he spends a lot of money on consulting. whether or not if he hits the numbers. cynthia nixon has a huge hill to climb. >> it is not going to cost her a bit to run this race. this is probably going to be good for her, i am guessing. >> for her. but the primary is going to be good for him. he has somebody in the left
where he can position himself. >> new york is moving though. kellyanne conway tried defending trump's decision of stripping brennan's clearance. >> he is a former cia director. and shows no interest in helping this administration further the national security. he is paying for his opinion now. and his opinion is against the interest of the administration which are serving the interest of our national security. >> criticism of brennan because the president himself as recruited. including nasa security advisor john bolton. is it so bad to be on
television, this president who did nine years of the apprentice. >> this president values what is said on cable news. and views it as something that needs to be addressed. >> sean hannity is sitting on his ear lobe. >> the president is watching the cable news and watching these people. president trump wouldn't have revoke the the security clearance. >> does he read? i know he reads the headlines. >> he cares about what is in the headlines. >> kelly anne ways great guest for years. i am not going to knock it. these people telling me something i don't know. you are watching "hardball" you can connect more deeply to the places of your past.
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at one point gary palmer was defending and blasting his colleagues who were criticizing sessions. but gary palmer told me he has his own problems with sessions. he specifically listed some of the things that the president was tweeting about this morning regarding document production to congress, rod rosenstein perhaps not the best person to be working in the justice department, according to him. he was unhappy with certain things that sessions was doing. i think it's really interesting, the conversation is changing. i don't think that's a good sign for sessions. it's a matter of time, i think, before he goes. >> ryan, help me understand with all of the things you listed, including the civil threats, why does it behoove him or does he think it does to have this spat with the attorney general? >> i love being on with rachel. she brings fresh reporting. >> isn't that interesting? we should have booked him. >> you know, i think that's
really fascinating that what lindsey graham said. graham has been a sort of defender of the justice department, has tried his best to steer trump towards not doing anything too stupid, tried to argue that trump just -- at the very least politically if not just for democracy sake that he shouldn't interfere with the investigations, he shouldn't fire anyone. i do find it really interesting that graham is just sort of out there saying that sessions' days are numbered, which i think undermines sessions quite a bit. it makes him look like a lame duck. that's a key development there. i think trump has been informed that he can't fire sessions because if he fires him, the senate has to confirm a new nominee and that's a tough battle. if sessions resigns -- i think i have the law right here -- the vacancies act might allow trump to replace him temporarily. >> it does, for a short period of time.
>> so trump's whole game here is to push this guy out, force him to resign. sessions obviously realizes that. the important thing, not to be too idealistic, the important thing for our democracy is i think that satisfactiessions st trump and said, you know, my oath of office is essentially -- is more important here. he is siding with the law and with the justice department and its independence against the president. not an easy thing to do but the right thing do. >> it is stunning to me. we have to leave it there. perhaps democrats who railed against jeff sessions are hoping that he stays in his job right now. >> liberal hero, jeff sessions. >> what a headline. thank you. let's turn to david pecker, the second long time ali'l allye president to turn on him.
we don't know what david pecker knows. a prosecutor thought what he had to say was worth enough to give him immunity. >> reporter: exactly right. not only did the prosecutor believe that david pecker had something of value to him, but we also know separately that david pecker had this relationship with president trump in which he helped the president, then candidate trump, squash negative stories during the campaign, paying two women who accused -- who alleged they had affairs with the president at a critical time during the campaign. we know that there is information that pecker knows about president trump or knew at that time that the president sought to keep secret. "the wall street journal" is reporting he is cooperating, that he in exchange for not being prosecuted is cooperating with investigators as part of the broader probe involving michael cohen, these payments to these women. this is the second really
important development in that case, one that we know is one that the president worries about, because it's not just about the mueller probe, it's not just about the president's businesses or about these women, it's also about his family and about a lot of private issues that the president had sought to keep under wraps. i think this is a major development that david pecker is someone the president can no longer count on to keep his secrets and keep them under wraps. >> abby, thanks for all the reporting this morning at the white house. there may be even another legal headache for the president. "the new york times" is reporting that the manhattan district attorney's office may look into possible criminal charges against the trump organization. cara is back with us. this is the manhattan d.a. looking at the trump organization. why? >> they are looking into how they accounted for the reimbursement that was paid to
michael cohen who paid stormy daniels to keep quiet and not go public with her affair. this would be an investigation looking into how the trump organization and two officials "the times" have reported, two executives, whether they properly accounted for the payment. >> allan weiselberg spoke -- >> he was subpoenaed by the southern district of new york. >> he is someone that a lot of people are familiar with his name but has worked in trump world forever, hired by trump's father, knows a lot. do we have a sense if he is one of the officials? >> it doesn't say that. we did hear his name in that tape that michael cohen had provided to cnn. because he was referring to him in talking -- telling donald trump that he was going to talk to allen about setting up a company to pay off -- to ami. >> mcdougal. >> he is someone that michael cohen has at least put into the
frame as someone who is in charge of that. at the time, we had that tape, the trump organization attorney said he was the bookkeeper, he handles the money. >> thank you. important reporting. let us know what you hear at that develops. still to come, we break down the legal headlines. what does this mean for the president? a top republican donor says the cohen news this week was an earthquake. we will talk to him live. we take you to yemen where once again children are caught in the middle of a deadly air strike. who was behind it? we're on it. pah! that will never work.
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a conviction, a guilty plea, an immunity deal in a week. with friends like these, who needs enemies? steve vladik and david weinstein join me. steve, let's talk about the flip. the latest one. that would be david pecker. getting immunity from prosecutors to flip on the president and immunity is not an easy thing to get. let's listen to what a man who worked with pecker high up at ami said to me last night when i asked him, you know, are you surprised that he would flip on the president. listen. we don't have it. he said to me, i'm stunned. but he also said to me, steve, that essentially david pecker puts himself and his business before everything else. what does it tell you that prosecutors were willing to give
him immunity? >> i think it tells you what the prosecutor's goal is here. the goal seems making sure they can build as strong a case as possible if not against the president, then against those around him, his business enterprises, the trump organization. all other considerations, including the potential liability of mr. pecker himself, perhaps even ami, really were secondary. if i'm president trump, that's an awfully ominous sign. >> what's your read, david? in terms of the legal line that pecker apparently thinks he needed immunity from, where is the legal line for a media company like ami? the first amendment gives you wide latitude for the press. but there's some line that apparently pecker thinks maybe they crossed, that he would need to take an immunity deal. >> he went pretty far across the
line. he got the golden card. they gave him transactional use immunity. he has gone across the board and he has been given transactional immunity, from prosecution in new york federal district court, potentially in washington by the special prosecutor and to some extent, if they are willing to buy in, the prosecutors in new york looking at this. he had to try and balance this first amendment privilege, but he didn't do a very good job. it wasn't just about him getting the news out. it was about him hiding the news and conspireing with people to violate the campaign finance laws. >> that's the key part, right? it's not about squashing a story. it may be ugly, dirty business, but it's legal. it's about did you do it -- was it an in kind donation to a campaign, is that the question? >> exactly so. i think the key to understand here is this is not a general abstract question about whether
a newspaper, a media organization can get in trouble as a general matter for not running the story. it's in the specific context of a campaign cycle. let's remember, pretty late in the campaign cycle. media organization is quashing the story for the specific purpose of aiding one candidate over the other. that's why federal campaign finance laws have something to say about it and why he needed, as david said, transactional immunity in order to testify. >> david, to you. jason miller was on with me earlier this week. he was an adviser, high up to the president's campaign. he essentially -- this was on monday night -- pinned it on michael cohen. michael cohen -- i'm paraphrasing -- he should have been advising the press when th -- the president when he had the conversation about the payoff. how are prosecutors going to see
that? are they going to say you have to know campaign finance laws, too? >> i think it's implied in all of this. the president can try and step back and insulate himself and if i'm defending him i'm going to say i'm running for public office and i'm letting the people around me advise me what i should and shouldn't be doing. it's implied in the fact that you are running you have at least a working knowledge of what this campaign finance law is. that's why these co-conspirators, whether unindicted, are the people who are now circling back around and the government's able to prove their case against everybody who is involved. >> the safe, steve. the associated press is reporting that there was a literal safe at the tabloid, at the "national enquirer," that held documents documenting these negative stories about trump that were squashed. i don't know if you are the investigators. you are looking for that safe
right now or you have that safe right now. >> i would think that if we're up to this point, they have the safe. i think the fiction writers carried away. >> you don't buy it? >> no, no, i'm sure i do. i'm saying, i think they have it by now. the president is not a nafe. when john edwards got in trouble for a similar violation, the president tweeted about it. once again, his own twitter account comes back to bite him. it shows he has pretty sophisticated awareness of what the rules are. >> that's such a good point. the president also said that the "national enquirer," david, should have won the pulitzer prize for breaking the edwards story. when it came down to legally prosecuting edwards for that, he came out on top. they are really apples to
apples. >> they are. the best advice i can give a client is not to say anything. your words will always come back to bite you, whatever they are. this is a client who doesn't seem to listen to his lawyers when they give him that type of advice. >> thank you both. steve, david, have a nice weekend. >> you do the same. >> you too. still ahead, a story we have been following closely here. now a second deadly air strike in yemen that has claimed the lives of 22 children. this just weeks after that school bus filled with children was bombed by those saudi coalition forces. we will bring you the latest ahead. it's the sears labor day event! ...where you can shop with confidence and convenience plus get these 4 benefits from kenmore at sears. up to fifty percent off appliances with your sears card. like this washer and dryer for $539.99 each. and this refrigerator for $899.99. hurry in to sears today.
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when i woke up to the news this morning, i was appalled but not surprised. what are you hearing? >> sadly, neither are the people on the ground. we managed to speak to a surviving family member. he described just real heartbreak there. not only were there air strikes in the village that this family were fleeing, but the air strikes continued even as the first people to arrive on the scene were attempting to evacuate those who had been able to survive this attack. again, similarly to what it was like when we were reporting on the bus attack. we can't show you the footage because it's just too graphic. but there is an absolutely heartbreaking scene where an old man is pulling together the remains of his son and his daughter-in-law and their children. the bomb strike was so hard and
so extreme that he is managing to wrap the remnants in a sheet, the remnants of a family of six or seven people, all managed to fit into the sheet. it's absolutely horrifying. the air strikes continue, poppy. of course, all of this is happening white the investigation into that bus attack has yet to deliver its findings. >> we know because of your reporting that the bomb used in the previous bus attack that killed all those innocent kids was u.s. made. now big picture here, what is the u.s. role in all of this? the u.s. is backing the saudi coalition. what is being done to reduce the civilian casualties? >> that's the question that increasingly u.s. lawmakers are asking. you had the connecticut senator chris murphy attempting to table an amendment to the act that governs u.s. arm sales to saudi
arabia. that was blocked. you can feel the pressure. it's the -- the conversation moved from are the saudis in violation of international law to, well, is the u.s. in violation of the international arms treaty? of course, all the partners to that treaty have to be able to say we believe these arms are not going to be used in ways in violation of humanitarian law and we are convinced of that. increasingly, given what's happening in yemen, it's growing difficult for the u.s. and the trump administration to be able to say that with conviction. >> because of this, $100 million arms contract -- >> $110 billion. it's extraordinary. >> thank you for the reporting. we'll be right back.
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vocal there since then as a donor and a member of the republican party, a big supporter of the president. what is your assessment of how this week was for president trump? >> i think it's been a pretty bad week for him. but i think he has a history of bouncing back and seems to relish sometimes being down and coming out swinging. >> you know, we have seen it's been hard to move his poll numbers from helsinki, the "access hollywood" tape, he has bounced back. you said to npr this week, big picture for the republican party, that the republican party needs a united front when it cops to suppocop cop -- when it comes to support for the president. did this week make it harder to get that united front?
>> all this negative coverage about manafort and cohen and the feud with jeff sessions leads to republicans not being able to get their message out about how good the economy is doing, how good the jobs numbers are and the other things that the republicans are working on like the judicial confirmation of kavanaugh. >> you think, dan, that the president may pardon paul manafort. as a donor to him, as a donor to the party, as a republican who wants to see republicans maintain control of congress, what would you say to the president on that? >> i would say it's possible he could pardon him. i think first of all, i think he shouldn't do it. he shouldn't pardon anyone as it relates to the russia investigation and the russia collusion investigation at all. in addition, i think that if he is going to bar do ing ting to should wait until after the conclusion of mueller's investigation. >> it's interesting, because you have been critical of what this
week has meant for the president. largely because of what michael cohen testified to under oath, said under oath in a federal courthouse this week. you called that an earthquake for the president. did something change? >> i think it's an earthquake in that it has shaken up the republican establishment and the powers that be in washington. i think that people are afraid, like i said a minute ago, about not being able to get their message out on the economy, about jobs, about judicial confirmations. it's just a giant distraction for republicans. it feeds into the hand of democrats. >> also -- >> wanting to distract from the economy. >> you also have, as a major republican donor -- i think we have some of your donations to the folks you have given to. they are all republicans. this week, california republican congressman duncan hunter and his wife, someone i looked it up, that i don't think you have
donated to, correct me if i'm wrong, they were indicted for spending a quarter of a million dollars of campaign donations on a lavish lifestyle. vacations to italy and hawaii. also, a plane ticket for a pet bunny. they say they are not guilty. i don't even know -- the headlines are very negative for them. they say they're not guilty. this comes after chris koons was indicted for securities fraud. they were among the first supporters of the president. do you think the republican party should be worried that the public perception is increasingly that the swamp has gone nowhere. >> first of all, the allegations against duncan hunter, if those are true, i think that those are extremely unsettling. it seems more appropriate for it to -- for those things to be in a movie, not happen in real life. that said, i think the way that the democrats have bob menend
menendez -- i think not every republican is like duncan hunter. >> bob menendez wasn't convicted. it was a hung jury there. continue. >> duncan hunter might not be convicted. >> correct. >> the republican response, paul ryan's response to strip duncan hunter's committee assignment shows the republicans take that seriously. it's not acceptable in the republican party. >> dan, i appreciate you being with us. by the way, are you going to run for office? >> you asked me that last time. i'm focused on what we are doing on canary and trying to grow canary. that's what i'm focused on right now. >> very political answer. dan, thanks for taking time oust your vacation to join me. >> thank you. hackers, fake websites, bots, this week alone several tech giants have sounded the alarm and squashed attempts to spread misinformation online, attempts by russia and iran.
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sites with links to iran and potential election meddling. let's go to brian barrett. what has struck me so much about this week, after microsoft said here is what russia is doing and we stopped it, is the private sector is sort of finally saying, we have to be at the forefront of this. >> that's right. i think it's remarkable. i think the meeting today is a great example of that. it's great they are doing that and coming to that realization. it's astonishing they weren't meeting regularly a year ago. one of the again ta itenda item will see if we want to keep doing this. they sort of have to. >> there are some who would say, isn't the onus for this on the government? i suppose it just doesn't matter, because what the government has been able to do up until now has not been effective. it continues. >> right. i think there is -- you can point fingers back and forth. i think the government should do more. i think it's very problematic.
the white house eliminated the cyber security coordinator role in may. >> why? >> it's hard to say. they said john bolton said we're fine with the structure we have. we lost some really smart people who were sort of the organizational infrastructure here. that happens. it's not useful to complain about that. i guess it is in hopes you get reinstated. for now, the tech companies are the ones who need to sort of step up. they shouldn't have to do it on their own, but they have to do something. >> this threat is bigger than russia. to be clear, it includes russia. the president has said, maybe it's a 400 pound guy in the basement. it includes russia. but also as we heard from john bolton, this week, it's others. let's listen to him. >> i can say definitively that it's a sufficient national security concern about chinese meddling, iranian meddling and
north korean meddling that we are taking steps to try to prevent it. it's all four of the countries really. >> what do you say to that? i think for americans listening, iran was not at the top of their mind until maybe this week. >> i think iran's an interesting case. because iran, what was shown this week is that iran was sort of targeting a wide number of areas. they were active in the u.s. but also in the middle east. i think iran is an interesting cause because we have had a -- they were active but not so much. with the u.s. withdrawing from the nuclear deal, maybe they will be more active. in terms of the election specifically, i think russia is the main concern. china and north korea are much more strategic in how they go about their cyber activity. russia wants to sow discord. >> thank you. important insight. i appreciate you being with me. >> thanks so much.
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hush money and covering up payments to a porn star and a former playboy playmate. we were just talking about allen weisselberg and how integral he has been in the organization. he was hired by president trump's father. >> this is a big development. we have the cfo of the trump organization, he has been with this company a long time. he is in charge of the money. he is sending money out. he is the beak keookkeeper as t have described him. he knows how the organization works and the money flows. we know he was of interest to the prosecutors because he authorized some of the payoffs, the reimbursements made to cohen. he was very likely very important in their investigation and in the charges that they brought against michael cohen in that he pled guilty to. it's not clear how far beyond michael cohen of interest he is to prosecutors.
it's a big deal he got immunity and he is the second person -- we know david pecker did, too. >> jeffrey toobin joins me on the phone. prosecutors do not hand out immunity easily. they think you have something wor worthwhile to their case to do that. he was named on that recorded call that michael cohen's lawyer hanned ov ed handed about, where the president and michael cohen are talking about paying off ami, $150,000, to keep this story quiet. they mention allen weisselberg. >> he knows where the money is. one of the oldest rules of law enforcement is follow the money. cfos are often very, very important witnesses. not because they have done anything wrong, but they know where the money comes in and where it goes out.
the fact that he has now been granted immunity is enormously significant. it means investigators now have a basically complete window into the financial operations of the trump organization. now if there is nothing improper that went on there, donald trump has nothing to worry about. if there is something improper, the feds are very likely going to know about it. >> this, jeffrey, escalates the pressure, potentially on the president. "the wall street journal" reached out for comment. did not hear back. we are doing the same at this time. we know from this reporting that he did -- he was called to testify before a federal grand jury. set this in the context. week for us. mo how significant? >> what makes it so important is that the investigators are
trying to tell the whole story of what went on here. michael cohen has admitted that he was participating in illegal campaign finance activity, as he said, at the direction of the president. what did he do exactly? who did he do it with? were other people involved? certainly, allen weisselberg, who as you point out is mentioned on that tape, is someone who might know something about this. david pecker received some of this money in his role as chief executive of american media. that's the other side of the transaction. are there other transactions? the feds are doing what feds do, which is find someone who did wrongdoing, flip him and then use him to determine if there's other wrongdoing to be found. it's certainly very unnerving to be on the receiving end of that kind of scrutiny. >> a private organization, which
this case is about carmen. this case is about nick. that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm natalie morales, thank you for watching. good morning on this sunday morning. i'm frances rivera at msnbc world quarters. it's 6:00 in the east, 3:00 out west. here's what's happening. the impeachment battle intensifies. the latest on the timeline an the strike that vi for both sides. plus, the new effort to unmask the whistle-blower. >> a political pressure on the other side to delay and stone wall as long as possible. >> if they do impeach the president, the senate doesn't vote to convict, imagine what kind of a presidency you're going to have. >> the american public is very smart and they will understand if the story is told and in a simple way.
>> also, the new report about hillary clinton's emails and how the trump administration is still investigating them. and they are back. the gang at sn all right. returns poking fun at the president and his personal attorney. spenl this morning, the battle lines as impeachment ramps up. nancy pelosi telling democrats in texas last night that she feels public support is shifting as the investigation presses ahead. >> in the public, the tide has completely changed. it could change fast. who knows? but right now, after seeing the complaint and the i.g. report and the cavalier attitude that the administration had toward it, the american people are coming to a different -- >> pelosi's latest comments will show the public opinion turning
favorably towards impeachment. a survey showing 49% approval for adults towards impeachment. the white house doubling down on defense saying there's nothing there when it comes to the president's call with ukraine. >> this is another in a long line of ridiculous behavior by the democrats. the president has done nothing wrong. they pushed a lie about russia on the american people without evidence and they're doing it all over again. whether it's cluollusion or kavanaugh or a coverup. >> the president making his own direct pitch to voters as he points the finger at democrats. >> what's going on now is the single greatest scam in the history of american politics. the democrats want to take away your guns, they want to take away your health care, they want to take away your vote and your freedom. they want to take away your judges and everything. they're trying to stop me because i'm fighting for you,
and i'll never let that happen. >> another investigation intensifying this morning. the "washington post" reports the trump administration is investigating emails of dozens of current and former senior state department officials who sent messages to then secretary of state hillary clinton's private emails. current and former officials telling the paper, as many as 130 officials have been contacted in recent weeks by state department investigators. nbc's hans nichols joins you with more from the white house. we'll get to that story in a minute. we saw reaction from the white house on the impeachment inquiry. what's the latest? >> reporter: the strategy seems to be to appeal to the president's base. you saw that in the video you just played. in a twreet from laura trump, the president's daughter-in-law. you also have these attacks on the whistle-blower. a couple days ago, the president was suggesting he's a partisan
operative. they continue to repeat the line that the whistle-blower didn't have the information firsthand. listen to how it was put. >> this whistle-blower has clearly not been given the appropriate amount of scrutiny. this person wasn't on the call, this person was using secondhand information and the third hand accounts were from media hit pieces in "the new york times," the "washington post" and cnn. >> what are his spirits? how is he doing? >> he's doing very well. what the democrats aren't talking about are guns, infrastructure, health care, borders. they're not doing anything that they were elected to do, which is work for the american people. the president shows up every day and does his job. >> now, as the president's spirits, it was bolstered by lindsey graham who was on the golf course with the president yesterday.
normally they don't say he's golfing. on a rare occasion yesterday they did. clearly impeachment is on their minds. from the golf course a tweet from senator lindsey graham, he's really focusing on this hearsay aspect. in america, you can't get a parking ticket based on hearsay testimony. but you can impeach a president? i certainly hope not. so frances, those are the tracks the white house defense, the idea of appealing to the base and questioning the whistle-blower and introducing the idea that it's hearsay testimony and there isn't direct evidence. >> hans, yesterday we were talking about impeachment and now the headline is talking about clinton emails. what do you know about this story and the white house looking into those emails again? >> the state department is conducting a review. it's ongoing on to some of the emails sent to state department official, career officials and they were sent to the private email server from -- of hillary clinton. it's obviously an incredibly important issue and the 2016
campaign. what we don't know is if this was directed by the white house or a standard state department procedure and if they're wrapping up the administration. at a certain point, the "washington post" seems to be saying they're wrapping up, excuse me me, the investigation. whether or not this is ongoing is going to be a key line. >> certainly the case many are asking. >> i want to bring in politics reporter with the daily beast and scott wong, senior reporter with the hill. thank you both for being with me this early in the morning. >> good morning. >> good morning. what is up with this interest in hillary clinton's emails now? >> well, the state department will say that this is simply normal protocol, that this is -- that it's taken 3 1/2 years to investigate, pore through the thousands and thousands of emails that were on hillary clinton's private server. a key issue, as hans mentioned
in the 2016 campaign and what many people point to as perhaps the reason why hillary lost to donald trump in that election, but democrats are saying that this is a highly suspicious time just as the ukraine story rears its head and democrats launch into their impeachment inquiry. we're once again talking about hillary clinton's emails. people think that this could be politically motivated on behalf of the trump administration and are extremely concerned. >> before this report, hanna, we would have been talking about impeachment and inquiry. now we're talking about the emails once again? . how do you make of the timing here? >> yeah. i think what scott said is spot-on. there's nobody arguably that president trump is more obsessed with than hillary clinton. i mean, i worked on the story with the daily beast where we
talked to nearly a dozen clinton staffers from the campaign in 2016 who were basically watching in horror and we asked them specifically with regard to biden's team, what advice did they give to him, it's a similar sort of line attack that we see trump using towards the vice president as he personalizes that front-runner status. he basically said, you know, this is so much ptsd for us. this dominated the headlines like scott said in 2016, that we would just advise him to look straight ahead, to not engage in it. one former clinton campaign official who dealt very directly with the email scandal as if were at the time, do not accept the premise and just keep doubling down on the facts of your campaign. that is certainly, i don't think biden's campaign. i don't think many of the other 2020 democratic campaigns would have thought that hillary clinton's emails would dominate
the 2020 election coverage at this point. here we are. >> we'll have to see how much longer we're talking about it. let's move forward. the impeachment inquiry. house democrats are scheduling depositions from five senior state department officials over the next two weeks. scott, talk about the expectations on capitol hill over these hearings and what importance do these particular individuals bring to this as a whole? >> well, they are aware of the conversations that were happening between the president and the ukraine -- the president of the united states and the ukraine president and other world leaders. specifically, congress just set off on a two-week recess. so things are dying down, quieting down quite a bit, although the investigating committee, foreign affairs, intelligence, oversight and some others are working through the recess. that's when some of these closed door hearings will be taking
place in involving kurt voelker who is the -- he just resigned friday night. he will be testifying later this week. also, michael atkinson will be returning to the hill. he is the inspector general for the intelligence committee. he will also be testifying behind closed doors before the intelligence committee. so there will be a lot of activity happening on the ukraine front in this impeachment inquiry. however, it remains to be seen whether any of these testimony will be -- will happen in front of the public and in front of the television cameras. >> that's the big question. how much cooperation in this hanna, especially when it comes to mike quigley who told msnbc this about what he actually is expecting from the officials. let's take a listen. >> i don't expect cooperation. i expect the same sort of either
obstruction or stonewalling. that's unfortunate. to the extent that we can, we'll have the witnesses willing to come forward testify. the rest of it unfortunately will be a continued court battle. >> after hearing those concerns, how important is it for the democrats to get to the open hearings and can they get this without cooperation. >> that's a good question. i think for democrats, it's all upside for them and very little downside. one of the things i think that nancy pelosi obviously in her caucus is dealing with and it's trickling over to the campaign side among the 2020 democrats, is transparency and so as democrats on the road obviously hoping to take on trump as the eventual nominee, they want to see this process unfold as much as possible and a prior shift to what we were seeing earlier is that impeachment after this is more popular based on polling.
so the more popular that it is, i think the more pressure on pelosi to push for increased transparency and for the democrats as they go out on the campaign trail, nearly 20 of them are still campaigning. to be able to tell voters specifically, this is what we as a democratic party, as united as we can be, this is what we're standing for and pushing for on the hill. >> nancy pelosi has been vocal about that each last night saying it's not about politics, it's patriotism. she spoke in texas that holding the president accountable is more important than the politics. let's hear from her directly. >> people say i take a political risk doing that. that doesn't matter. that doesn't matter. because we cannot have a president of the united states undermining his oath of office. his loyalty, to his oath of office. undermining our national security and undermining the
integrity of our election. >> so you have it there, scott. pelosi saying it isn't about political risk. but how much political risk is there surrounding this? >> well, pelosi knows that there was political risk. she was trying all year to stave off this impeachment investigation from happening in the first place. she believes that it would put some of her frontline democrats, vulnerable democrats, the majority makers who handed her the majority and the speaker's gavel last fall in serious jeopardy. however, we are starting to see some of that polling reflect renewed support for you impeachment. especially among those voters in the middle, independents. so right now it's about 50/50 with some movement in the middle towards impeachment. democrats say that this is a good issue for them in terms of being able to make the case that
impeachment was the right call. they believe this was an easy -- this is an easy narrative for them to tell an convince voters that impeachment is the right decision for them to make. they believe it's an open and shut case. that remains to be seen. because we're seeing republicans push back very strongly in favor of the president, defending the president. very little daylight between republicans and the president right now. very little cracks in the wall. >> what you're hearing, we heard it earlier from the white house deputy press secretary, putting the situation in the same category as the russia investigation. here we go again, the democrats are doing it all over again. how that message playing with the american people? how long will that defense last and resonate with them, hanna? >> that remains to be seen. i think, like scott said, independents are the ones to watch on this. there's a little bit of movement and it will be interesting to see how it unfolds on that front. i mean, the democrats, i don't
think they necessarily wanted this impeachment cloud to hang over their campaign and the 2020 election. they wanted it to be more about what they stand for and not what they stand against. but in that -- sort of on the other side of that, most of them are running as a stark contrast to president trump. they want voters to see them in that light. i would argue the more that they sort of talk about this and answer voters' questions as it comes up, i think the fewer questions there will be about the following steps and just showing that stark contrast, arguably that democrats who are senators who are running. five or six of them are in a better position as they hit the campaign trail. they'll be able to interface one-on-one. the investigations are happening in the house. just having that sort of institutional washington knowledge. i guess, in a campaign cycle that is typically folks used on
grassroots up raising and not washington insidery. in this case having washington knowledge might come in handy. >> your perspective is always welcome this early in the morning. thank you. rudy giuliani is lashing out. he's mentioned 31 times in the whistle-blower complaint. why he's taking issue with footnotes in that document. a legal look up next. and in last night's "saturday night live" season premiere, alex baldwin called his buddy rudy giuliani in a flurry of worry over the whistle-blower case. >> you got to relax, mr. trump. we got nothing to worry about. nobody is going to find out about our illegal side dealings with the ukraine. >> good. >> we tried to cover up those side dealings. >> great. >> we plan to cover up the coverup. >> ride, where are you right now? >> i'm on cnn right now. >> let me put you on speaker. >> rudy, get out of there.
whatever you do, stay off the phone. >> i got another call. okay? who is this? >> it's attorney general barr. >> okay. i'm really starting to worry. >> i know things look bad right now, but i got our top guy on this. >> good. let's get him on the phone, too. >> hello. >> oh, hey, mr. president. >> not still on cnn, are you? >> of course not. i'm on the joe rogan podcast. fights cancer, repairs shattered bones, relieves depression, restores heart rhythms, helps you back from strokes, and keeps you healthy your whole life. from the day you're born we never stop taking care of you.
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questions today surrounding that whistle-blower complaint that mentions eight of the president's allies, including rudy giuliani, attorney general bill barr and vice president mike pence. that's in addition to a dozen white house officials and lawyers. but the president's personal attorney is revealed to be the central figure being mentioned 31 times. joining me now is the legal contributor and also formal federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst glen kirschner. glenn, we'll start with you. you called giuliani a co-conspirator yesterday who is pointing the fingers at others implicated here. is it safe to say he'll be the person to take down the trump presidency? >> you know, that remines to be seen. we have to see what congress produces in the upcoming
hearings. i will say, i was interested and even a little amused when it read the a.p. reporting this morning. bill bar is now saying about rudy giuliani. it's reported that barr was quote, surprised and angry to discover he had been lumped in with giuliani. you know, i'll tell you, frances, this has the feel to me of a conspiracy and here's why. you now have people pointing the finger at one another. giuliani is defiantly holding up his phone and saying the state department told me to do it. you have pompeo seeming to back away. you have barr angry that he's lumped in, his words, with giuliani. you know, usually when we take down a criminal conspiracy when we make arrests and we begin to deal with the different co-conspirators, we call that a race to the courthouse. because all of the co-conspirators want to get in
the front of the trouble that's coming. the only wildcard, frances, we don't really have a law enforcement mechanism to begin holding these people accountable because barr is running the justice department. so right now, it's up to congress. >> then you've got rudy giuliani saying -- he tried to defend himself against the allegations mentioned in the complaint. let's remind our viewers if they haven't seen it. >> you say owe he. >> said five things about me that are blatantly false. >> clearly. >> a washington lawyer. whistle-blowers don't write letters with footnotes that are longer than text. >> that is agreed i have been a judge. >> what's your take on that, on his claim because he's innocent because footnotes are too long and will it hold up in court? >> it's not worth responding to. frances, the fact that they're referring to footnotes that it's
not written by themselves is malarkey. we keep referring to giuliani as his trump's personal attorney. but he says he was not acting as an attorney when he did this work. number one, there will be no attorney-client privilege for donald trump or rudy giuliani to hide behind when people begin to question them about what happened with the ukraine. and number two, i agree with glenn in his astute assessment that there's a lot of people trying to point fingers at each other. with the upcoming depositions this week, frances, you'll have state department employees put under oath and they will have to answer questions about their own involvement, including kurt volker who we know resigned mysteriously perhaps on friday night before the depositions are going to happen this week. when you do the type of deposition, there's two different kinds. either a discovery deposition where you're genuinely looking to get information as a general proposition or a gotcha depp
tigs where you're trying to lock them down into an inconsistent position or a lie. we're kind of working on an expedited timeline according to nancy pelosi. we have to be really careful in terms of how the questions are posed, the information is done and how the investigation is teed up. >> especially the complaint from the beginning when we started this, how it was received. the "washington post" says a whistle-blower managed to exceed what the special counsel -- by producing a file so concerting and factually sound that his almost single handedly set in motion the gears of impeachment. glenn, you used to work with robbro robert mueller directly in the office. what is so clearly damaging in this case? >> so robert mueller's investigation was nearly two years and it produced a 448-page report that revel tifl few
people red. this was something that i think people can wrap their heads around. i also worked with michael atkins atkinson. we overlapped for ten years in the d.c. u.s. attorney's office. i can tell you, hess highly regarded as a thoughtful, circumspect, ethical prosecutor and a really adept investigator. that's why you see so many detailed footnotes in his report. i think, frances, at its core, why this may resonate in a way the mueller report didn't is because at its core, what we have is money that was allocated by congress to help ukraine defend itself against russian aggression in a way to save ukrainian lives. you then have the president holding it back and saying to president zelensky, i know you want this aid and you want to protect your country. i have a favor, though. and then he launches into a somewhat rambling request
that -- really that the ukraine ginn up false accusations against biden and his son. that is any number of crimes. it could qualify as extortion. it could qualify as bribery. it certainly feels like a campaign finance violation because opposition research is certainly a thing of value and that's what the president was trying to extract from president zelensky. this is a self-contained crime in one phone call. any thinking person who cares to look at the facts will understand that. >> so many legal aspects to this. we could go on and on. glad you're back in the next hour. we'll talk to you more. thank you both. next, president trump's dealing with the president of ukraine raises new suspicions about russia's influence on the white house and should america worry that no record exists of five interactions between trump
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me the date. my priority to stop the war and to get back our territories. >> i really hope that russia, because i really believe that president putin would like to do something. i really hope that you and president putin get together and can solve your problem. >> joining me now is bobby ghosh, columnist at the edit editorial board the bloomberg. what do you think the chances are that zel lensky and putin me a deal? >> actually when he was elected, he's from outside the political -- he was trying to find a way to open a conversation with russia different from before. i think what president trump has done is toss a hand grenade into that room and completely spoiled any prospects that might have been for a new kind of conversation between ukraine and russia. he's now forced zelensky into a
place where zelensky has to be more defensive that he might have been before. as you saw in that clip with the president, zelensky says he wants to talk about getting crimea back. he has to hold the positions. those are nonnegotiable for russia. any prospect and they might not have been great to start with, but any prospect that zelensky may have found a middle ground with russia have now essentially been torched by the president of the you state. >> when you read between the lines do you interpret it as president trump not willing to say the united states will help ukraine to resolve the issue with -- >> he's shown it by his actions over and over again. this is not an issue he's interested in pursuing. by the way, just as president obama was not willing to very much. trump clearly a great admirer of
putin. someone who thinks have putin inside the fence is more important than antagonizing him. therefore, does not really want to get involved too much over the controversy over ukraine. he essentially is throwing, to use an expression popular in britain, he's throwing zelensky under the bus and to the wolves with the russians. >> it makes you wonder, when it comes to the relationship between putin and trump, would this essentially ask the question of why russia is holding trump to be so spellbound in that case? >> well, russia and putin has been in trump's mind for a long time. trump's admiration of putin predates his presidential run even. you have to give him points for being consistent in that. he has a track record, we've seen this not just with putin but across the world. he likes what he regards to be strong men, strong decisive
people, clearly people who have no interest in the rule of law, no interest in legacies and in nice at thises like constitution and democracy. he likes people who, in his mind, get things done. putin is the sort of ultimate embodiment of this alpha male form of governing that trump himself aspires to. >> before you go, i want to ask you about the british version of donald trump who has been known to be called, one of the shortest term prime ministers in uk history. i want to show you and we'll talk about it. >> they were saying there, boris, you're a liar, cheat, you're not fit. he appeared to be weathering it well there. there were loud boos as he went into the building a few seconds later. can he survive a no confidence vote if that comes up this week?
>> the other thing happening this week is the labor party conference taking place, his own party, it will be a good way to gauge how much strength he has within his own party. then we go to parliament and see if the motion holds. things are very up in the air. the impression you get as an outsider here in britain, that nobody wants to govern at the moment. even the opposition, the labor party is not clear that it wants to take the bull by its horns. brexit is the idea of britain leaving the european union is such a crown of thorns that nobody wants to wear. if boris johnson survives, he might yet do so, it will be because in part because nobody else wants the job. it's the job that that is a political suicide pill for anybody who takes it right now. >> we'll see what he weathers.
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president trump's defenders out in full force making this case about those notes. >> i was asked beforehand, should he release it. i said it's up to him. it's not going to matter. the statement good say, good morning, mr. zelensky, good morning president trump and they would have said it's a hidden signal. >> the phone call is out there. >> the fact is the white house decided to release this transcript. they gave it to you all and gave it to congress. abundance of transparency. >> joining me now is rashad richie and also ned ryan, ceo of american majority and form he were spieth speech writer for george w. bush. let's get started with you, ned. is that hard to defend when we have transparency. is that the best they can come up with? >> i think they've actually have been transparent, frances. they released the transcript. they released the complaints from the whistle-blower as quickly as they thought was
feasible. people want to see things that simply aren't there. they're ranting about quid pro quo. was there military aid being discussed. that's clearly was not in the transcript. that wasn't a subject until a month after the phone call. >> shouldn't that be the number one thing they're defending. here are the memos, here's notes but the content, what actually was exchanged, words between the two. >> i see nothing that in any way shows anything that was improper. i mean, this was a conversation between donald trump and the president of ukraine. i have to tell you, other people have said it's on a top secret server. when susan wright -- >> let me ask you this, can you imagine president george w. bush saying those things with a foreign leader? would he do that? >> i would say this. there was a certain amount of decency that his conversations with foreign leaders weren't being constantly leaked, whether
with australia, mexico, the ukrainian president. i will say this, frances, no, no. the thing that was asked, if you go back and look. they're supposed to, according to the treaty from clinton administration, there's supposed to be cooperation between the united states and ukraine on criminal matters and trump had every right to actually ask favors of foreign leaders, especially in this situation with ukraine on a matter where, quite frankly, i think we deserve to know the answers. was there corruption? is looks like hunter biden's only qualification was being the son of a sitting vice president of the united states. >> so back -- that's a defense you're throwing out there. let me bring in rashad. when responding to ned, saying yes the white house did give up these memos, yet that should be enough and not defending the could be tent, the words, the exchange and the favor asked there, rashad. >> duck, dodge, deny and deflect. that's the strategy of this white house. that's been the strategy of this
president. let's be clear about the transcript. the tran skipt is in black and white. it's a rough draft. there's probably more to this than we don't see. i find it ironic that you have individuals trying to defend what cannot be defendefended. you can continue to say that somehow this president did not use a quid pro quo in his conversation with the ukrainian president, however, he said in that conversation, the conversation that we have, do us a favor. in addition to that, he's given absolutely no reason why he withheld $391 million of military aid from this country. as a matter of fact, the president has said he withheld no aid, which is contrary to the actual facts. so there is absolutely no context or defense for doing so. beyond that, 28%. i want you to remember that number. 28%. that's the sentiment, that was the sentiment two years ago when mueller was investigating trump
for impeachment. the sentiment was 28% of americans wanted him impeached. that number rose to 30%. last week it was at 43%. now it's at 49%. ned, you your guy is in trouble? >> oh, man. you're breaking up. go ahead. ned. >> it showed 36% according to an impeachment poll last week by a political and morning consult. quinnipiac showed the same thing. rashad, i would say this. if democrats want to go down this path of impeachment, knock yourself. it's a fool's errand pushed by fools. you look at the swing districts, impeachment played lower in oklahoma 5 and illinois 14. i think it's going to make the centrist democrats walk the gangplank to their ruin in 2020. i think this is a massive gamble based on excuse thats american people are looking at. they've read the transcript and the complaint going, we're not sure what we're talking about. this is hardly grounds for
impeachment. >> let me ask you. we're in that process right now. some democrats are trying to strike a solemn tone when it comes to people impeachment. i want to bring in a moment from senator schumer. we'll talk about it. >> we're entering a very delicate time in our democracy. i want all of you to know i've been speaking with speaker pelosi constantly and i fully support her decision to open an impeachment inquiry into president trump. >> all right. is it better to kind of bring it back, reel it in and tone it down, have more of the solemn tone or could that attitude hurt democrats? what's the impact on public perception since you're bringing up the numbers when it comes to for or against impeachment. >> first of all, ned, i'm right on the numbers. you can check them out on npr and pbs. the sentiment of public celebration is not a popular
one. you do not celebrate the impeachment of a president in your campaign speech. i think the democrats are making a mistakes. we want a functional congress that has the ability to, yes, investigate if there are issues that would rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors. but we also want to have our congressional members work. we want them work on health care reform, work on criminal justice reform. so this cannot be the end all. this is part of it. >> the defense here that i want to ask to your take on president trump he was tweeting, how do you impeach a president created the greatest economy in the history of the country. >> does the president have the feeling that i'm good as long as the economy is stable? >> i do think so, frances. i think russia gate lasted 2 1/2 years. ukraine gate is starting to fall apart. the only way trump loses is if the economy completely implodes and tanks. that's what i'm looking at.
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do you think it was luck that got us to the best stock market in the economy in our history, it wasn't. then you have markets that haven't moved much. is that a reflection that impeachment won't have that much of an effect or are investors waiting it out? >> investors are waiting it out, but at the same time they are struggling right now because they're saying they don't believe that president trump will be removed from office. it is likely that he could have impeached, it looks like the democrats have a solid case. if president trump were to be removed from the office the stock market would actually soar because there are elements of president trump's economic policy that are hurting the u.s. economy, hurting consumers and hurting companies when it comes to investments. if he were to be removed you would see american businesses would be able to soar because they wouldn't have to deal with the tariffs. that's the biggest issue that ceos have been complaining about, they're saying that's having a real negative impact when it comes to sales and president trump has continued to pursue that policy. also when it comes to immigration, so obviously if
vice president mike pence were to be president, then republicans are still going to be tough on immigration, but he will likely take the foot off the brakes when it comes to legal immigration. i've spoken to economists who have said that immigration would actually help the u.s. economy, help gdp growth, help growing the labor force and that helps to finance for baby boomers medicare and social security. >> it's fascinating that you would run that definitive line when it comes to not just impeachment but being ousted from office is what's going to shake things up. i want to bring up this piece in the "new york times" that says impeaching president trump would be good for the economy because in the author's words it would slow down the administration's war on competence. how do you factor that? >> we're talking about the war on competence. take, for example, what's happening in california. you know that that state is actually taking the lead when it comes to dealing with climate change, dealing with auto emissions. they have a deal pretty much in place with car manufacturers, but president trump wants to waive that.
so we see different parts of the -- for example, different states, people who are trying to make an effort to improve, you know, policy, improve what's happening and president trump actually -- we're saying it's a war on competence because this is working in california why not apply it to the entire country and he's trying to stop it there. that's why we're seeing that the author is saying that. >> love have been you here when it comes to breaking down not just what's going to happen politically but economically as well when it comes to all this talk about impeachment. thank you. >> thanks, frances. the rising tide for support for impeachment president trump with a new message today to democrats. we will have that next. ew messa democrats. we will have that next i am royalty of racing, raise your steins to the king of speed. man 1 vo: proof of less joint pain woman 1 oc: this is my body of proof. and clearer skin.
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>> she was a devoted wife. she had no children of her own, little kelly over there was a s spiritual child of hers. she was sweet and loved those children. loved haiti. loved davy. an incredible human. >> carley: dave, what would you remember about your daughter? >> so many things. if you were to sum it up, their lives, it is about love and about commitment, their love for god and love for each other and commitment to the calling and the commitment to the people of haiti that they evenually gave their lives for. >> tell us about your son and who he was as a person? >> he was amazing, there wasn't anything he couldn't do or figure out. he would go and learn how to do anything and fix it. it was all about sharing love of christian abata with others and upon hadding those in need and they did that during their time there in haiti. >> carley: they did just that. ben, the situation in haiti has been going on for sometime now, almost completely out of the news in the united states and given what happened, it feels like it shouldn't be. what are conditions in haiti? >> it is awful over there and david could probably speak more to that than me being there so long and understand ing the people of haiti and knowing how to speak the language. it is like almost complete anarchy with very little government set up, it makes everything difficult for people there, especially. it is a dark place. i believe that the darkest places need light and davy and natalie were there. >> carley: david, pick up where ben left off. your son and daughter-in-law were working for a mission that you and your wife started. you have given of yourself and your family, too. tell us about the situation there and what needs to be done to help these people. >> yeah, it is terrible. we've been there 26 years, started missions 24 years ago. the last four years have been complete anarchy, we have no current elected officials, they are by a ruling group trying to help haiti. gangs have stepped in, there is no rule of law, and have taken over. killing the president themselves, i don't know the details, i don't know if a gang or mrit cap opposition, but everybody expected international help would step in then and prime minister two years ago begged for international help saying the gangs had become too strong and were getting unlimited supply of ammo in the country and they said police were outmanned and needed help. a year later, it was approved for international force to come in, we are still waiting for them to get there. what we have experienced is great tragedy, haitian people have been experiencing this f forfour or five years. they are affected by gangs and their family members have been killed by it. >> carley: my goodness, naomi, your son and daughter were missionaries in the truest sense. they were bringing the word of god despite rest unfolding around them. they were in danger, they voluntarily put themselves in that situation for the greater good. i mean, the character your daughter showed at such a young age, how remarkable is that? >> it is beautiful. it is truly beautiful to see what they did there and how much they love the culture and the people. >> carley: ben, before i let you go, at the funeral, you spoke about the moment davy asked permission to marry your daughter. apparently, he was sweating, can you tell us about that? >> as dad of four daughters, it is next to salvation, most important decision you will make is choosing a spouse for life. it is a big deal, i want to make sure it is the right one and of course, davy was and its amazing how they fit together. >> carley: your son and daughter were more special than most and god secured a spot in heaven for them on the day they were born. dave and naomi, thank you for joining us and allowing us to remember your children with you. >> thank you. >> carley: you're welcome. >> todd: such absolute strength, those missionaries were doing the lord's work, may the lord watch over that family. >> carley: thousands attended the funeral. >> todd: now to this, president biden making an appeal to black voters on june tenth and sparking controversy when he said this. >> president biden: be clear, they are all ghosts in new g garments trying to take it back and making it harder for black people to vote, closing doors of opportunity, attacking values of diversity, equity and inclusion. >> todd: oh, boy, joining me now is larry elder. how do you view a false fearmongering statement like that? >> well, todd, i'm old enough to know every republican candidate, republican president in my lifetime has been called a racist. i was 12 years old when barry g goldwater was elected and stifrn of fascismismful is in the air. fast forward to george herbert walker bush. he was called a racist and soros compared him to a propaganda minister of adolf hitler. donald trump has taken it to another level, it is on steroids. that is what democrats do, they have lost the white vote, the way they win elections, tell black people they are perpetual victims and that is what they do. >> carley: larry, at this j juneteenth ceremony, the president made a speech, cameras were on the president when he appeared to freeze during a performance for quite sometime. it is getting attention this morning. take a look at this. ♪ ♪ >> carley: you have the president standing in between the vice and george floyd's brother on the other side of him who wrapped his arm around him to help him out with some time the president being stationary. this video will not help with the age concerns, as well. >> come on, carley, that was joe biden's version of doing the robot. i believe those debates will not take place. donald trump issued a couple demands, one is joe biden take a drug test. as you know, he was confuse order iraq and ukraine. >> todd: none of that worked well yesterday to win black votes. shifting gears, surrounding exhibit, honoring -- victims of nova music festival. chanting long live intifada and at the same moment, this is happening, congresswoman aoc, alexandria ocasio-cortez being panned for saying this. watch. >> at the same time, it is also true that accusations and false accusations of antisemitism are wielded against people of color and women of color by bad faith political actors and weaponizing antisemitism is used to divide us and create a false choice between fight for jewish safety and cause for palestinian self-d self-determination. >> c >> todd: are my eyes deceiving me? calling for elimination of israel, celebration at basically a museum that shows artifacts from the day. there is a port-a-potty where you see bullet holes where people did not make it out of those. i guess that is not antisemitism, larry. >> todd, your eyes do not deceive. anti-defamation league have conducted surveys on antisemitism and blacks that are antisemitism is higher than nonblack -- serious problem in the democratic party. you have hakeem jeffress jeffers and he wrote a paper in college defending and al sharpton, a democratic king maker with a long list of antisemitism comments. there was riot between blacks and jews in 1991, blacks were assaulting jews and he is on tape saying if the jews want to come to my house, let them do it. serious problem, not just aoc and ilhan omar, long series in the democratic party. >> todd: larry elder, we thank you. former new york governor an crew cust cuoma will testify before lawmakers in a few hours. >> carley: cheryl casone will preview his testimony coming up n next. ur skin is ever-changing, take care of it with gold bond's age renew formulations of 7 moisturizers and 3 vitamins. for all your skins, gold bond. maria and julio thought their life would never slow down. then one day, it finally did. you were made to find inner peace. we were made to track flight prices to paradise. we love being outside, but the sun makes our deck and patio too hot to enjoy. now thanks to our new sunsetter retractable awning, we can select full sun or instant shade in just 60 seconds. it's 20 degrees cooler under the sunsetter and we get instant protection from harmful uv rays and sun glare. for pricing starting at less than $1,000, transform your outdoor living space into a shaded retreat your family will love! when you call, we'll rush you a special $200 discount certificate with your free awning idea kit! you'll get your sunsetter for as little as $799. but, this is a limited time offer! for over 20 years, sunsetter has been the bestselling retractable awning in america! call now for this free awning idea kit packed with great awning solutions that will let you enjoy your deck or patio much more often. plus, get this $200 discount certificate that will bring you your sunsetter for as little as $799. but this is a limited time offer. call now! sunsetters are backed with up to a 10-year limited warranty! more than 1 million families in america own and love their sunsetter. now, you too can discover why “life is better under a sunsetter...” it's like putting an extension on your home. and talk about options: choose motorized or manual and for just a little extra, add led lighting for evening enjoyment. there are so many incredible styles to choose from in our free awning idea kit. get a custom-built awning, without the custom-built price! call now to get the whole sunsetter story. you'll get this free awning idea kit. plus, a $200 discount certificate and there's no obligation. with sunsetter, you'll create the ultimate outdoor living space. perfect for entertaining friends. call now for your free awning idea kit, with local dealer info and $200 discount certificate. “life is better under a sunsetter!”act now and save! 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"wall street journal" featured both of you saying you are making blue collar cool and we wanted to meet you and hear your story. thank you for joining us. have a great day. >> todd: don't sell yourself short, i've seen you weld. >> carley: secret between me and todd. yeah. have you seen this video of a bull jumping over a fen ce into the rodeo? the woman who recorded it is here to tell you what it was like. >> todd: here is steve doocy with look at what is coming up top of the hour. you are getting an early birthday present. >> steve: i learned to weld in high school in the day when they had metal shop. >> carley: i did take wood shop and i have the key rack i made. >> todd: me, too. it works. >> steve: things we keep forever to show our children, look what i made in high school. >> carley: exactly right. >> steve: i made a gun rack. i know. 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[bleep], [bleep] >> todd: oh my gosh. have you seen these videos yet? shows the moment a bull breaks loose at oregon rodeo jumps the fence and hurts five people in the process. danielle smithers was in the stands and caught it all in camera the shot you saw in the stands. danielle, set the scene for us as you are taking this video. what going through your mind. >> first of all, good morning, thank you for having me. the first initial thing that i thought was, wow, you can hear me state in the video i'm completely in shock. a friend and mine had just been down there in the common area where that bull had jumped moments before returning do our seats. and we were actually standing at the gate to try to get a closer look at the bulls. and the sheriff's department was very diligent in doing their job they looked right at us and said you are either in or out. this is not a safe place for you to be and you need to return to your seats. so we went up and took our seats and i initially started shining my flashlight and swaying with the crowd and turned around and looked at my husband and said this is way too beautiful for me to be shining the light. i'm going to stop and i'm going to start recording this. and i just happened to catch him right as he was coming out of the gate. >> todd: unreal. were you scared for your family's safety when you saw this bull do this jump over the fence? >> my entire family was there. we even had a group of friends there. and i was not scared at all. at that point when that bull escaped i was in probably the safest place that i could have been high in those bleachers. my thoughts did go out to the people that i had initially seen moments before in the common area. >> todd: those people while injured are not life-threatening injuries. thank god. let's be real, if to the for the quick work of the rodeo crew, how much worse could this have been danielle? >> it could have been much worse. the rodeo crew i will say was absolutely amazing. they immediately they had been following that bull. they said he was out to get to safe place. they initiated protocol. and i haven't timed the video, but i would say that they had him in less than 30 seconds roped and contained. >> todd: wow. >> they were amazing. >> todd: we got to run. will you bring your family back to the rodeo ever again? 5 seconds to you you, danielle. >> most definitely. not only the sisters rodeo every year but every other rodeo that is close. we are definite rodeo fans. >> todd: danielle smithers thank you for that video. the bull was named party bus. more like the bachelor party at the end of the night at the beginning. >> carley: not a busy would want to be on. >> todd: "fox & friends" begins right now. >> carley: have a good day, everybody. ♪ >> the sitcom begins. >> brian: sounds liked i should be walking -- and the kitche
advocate, and spoke to trump supporters on the eve of january 6th. he then went to the capitol on january 6th tweeting, i'm at the capitol right now, rowdy crowd but nothing out of hand. ignore the fake news. like mardi gras and d.c. today love, faith, and joy. he was on the east side while the west side of the capitol is what saw the deadly violence. but what does it say about the republican party that this is who they're bringing in to help draft a party platform? >> let's be clear, the party platform should just say whatever donald trump wants is what the party will do. that's the platform. that's basically it. they kind of did that in 2020, as a matter of fact. but when the rnc was taken over by trump truly with putting his daughter-in-law as a co-chair there, remember, they did do a loyalty test, they asked what you felt -- how you felt about january 6th, about other