clear you will not get us to defund obamacare. it's a red line for us. if the white house were to say they will not sign daca protections, we do not believe in it, we believe these people should be supported, you wouldn't see a shutdown because there would be no way to get to yes. the president said on live television, told a bipartisan group of senators, i will sign whatever you bring me and then reneged and ripped it up. >> is it possible trump, a man who has a personal conviction on every subject, that he changes every five minutes, he doesn't know what to do? >> no. >> he knows the attractiveness of the d.r.e.a.m.ers. it's a positive story. they feel they're american. they're being hammered by the fact our system doesn't allow them to become legal, full citizens, and it doesn't seem fair even to the most
republicans pushed to defund obamacare. ted cruz angered many of his own colleagues. there were testy meetings. he was essentially an outcast. mitch mcconnell was not happy with him. and the government shut down because clearly senate democrats were not going to go along with a budget agreement that defunded obamacare. the dynamics were a little different but if there's any comparison to be made here it would be in this particular case democrats obviously do not control the senate. they were making certain demands about what is included in a measure, refused to provide the votes for a shutdown. so i think if you want to make a comparison, you can compare senate democrats to ted cruz. i would argue it's a little different politically, the scenario, because, in part, democrats were united until today when ted cruz went through this in 2013. i was here for every day of it. the republicans were unhappy with how he was acting. senator cruz was the last one standing against president trump
working right now to make sure it doesn't last any longer than it absolutely has to. that's the big difference in 2013 and 2016. you have a president doing now exactly what citizen trump said he would do in 2013 if he were in charge. >> he hasn't called everybody into a room. did he have that 55 minute meeting on immigration. >> but he said -- >> he wanted a bipartisan bill and he brought him one and he said he would take the heat and suggested he didn't want to take the heat. >> let's be clear what bill is there right now. the bill that's passed the house and senate is a bipartisan bill. this is the type of funding bill that has passed for the last decade. it's a bill that has a funding component for the government and it's a bill that has things that members of both parties say that they like. it's a bill that has the extension for the children's health insurance program. the delay to the various obamacare taxes including the cadillac tax that the democrats want late.
obamacare. we didn't like that. we couldn't support that. we could not in good conscious vote for that. fast-forward to today. everything that is in the bill democrats support and have voted for previously. this is pure politics. back in 2013 it had a much larger component of a principal involved to it. if you vote against a bill that you like, that's an entirely thing than voting against a bill you don't like. >> we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much for your time there and good luck with this mess. >> thanks, jake. i appreciate you having me. president trump is pointing fingers at democrats for the government shutdown but some members of his own party voted against the government funding bill too. one of those no votes is senator paul next. senator bernie sanders is here too. he's ahead. stay with us. at don't have a l. finally, it was like the sun rose again and i was going to start
was the republican mindset back in 2013. this is you. >> what they are saying to the american people tonight is, well maybe we lost the presidential election, maybe we lost seats in the senate and seats in the house, it doesn't matter. we can now bring the government to a shutdown, throw some 800,000 hard working americans out on the street and we are going to get our way no matter what. >> so mulvaney is saying you're a hypocrite. you're blaming the republicans back in 2013 for what the democrats and those who caucused with the democrats are doing today. you don't get your way and you're shutting down the government. >> first of all, what they were doing back then is they wanted to repeal obamacare. obama was the president. he was not going to repeal obamacare and throw tens of millions of people -- allow tens
ended up on the short end of the stick because the american public figured out that our responsibility is to keep the trains running here. if you have problems, work them out but keep things moving. this time the democrats have actually stepped in. this is the democrats now saying, we won't vote for something unless -- in the past every government shutdown was republicans wanting something in exchange for funding the government. this time it's the democrats and that's the loser. >> we need to add some intellectual honesty to the conversation. in 2013 the republicans and rand paul and ted cruz were holding out hope that you could defund obamacare something that wasn't popular, something that they haven't been able to do with the majority. here democrats are asking for something that nearly 90% of the american public want to happen and the simple fact is, the reason we're here is because republicans in control didn't reauthorize chip. republicans in control are the reason that we have daca uncertainty and republicans in control for the first time in modern history in control of the house, senate and white house cannot seem to keep government
weeks. >> reporter: house republicans led by speaker john boehner wanted the white house to -- demanded that any funding bill delay implementation of obamacare by one year. >> refused to compromise at all. >> reporter: national parks were shut down. even the world war ii memorial in washington d.c. obama took a lot of heat. after 16 days, speaker. a funding bill that in the end even after the shutdown did not defund obamacare. >> we have been locked in a fight over here trying to bring government down to size.
militants were withholding votes because they wanted to defund obamacare. that's why we were here. right now we're actually having a debate over an issue that the majority of the country agrees with. daca is a popul issue. this isn't something in which there is a divided spectrum in the united states. people agree with this. and, look, if we lose a seat or we don't regain the majority because of the simple fact that 800,000 people now have citizenship, i mean that's probably not something we want to talk about. and just one more briefly point to maggie's point as well, this also shows the impact that one man in the white house has. steven miller. we can talk about all the people that are in the white house. we would not be here but for stephen miller. i believe that stephen miller and many people believe that stee stephen miller is the reason the president backed away from that immigration decision. >> john kelly has much more influential that people -- >> dana, you wanted to get in. >> i'm sorry. i didn't mean to interrupt you. i was just part of the maggie
lew lewis. i feel at home tonight. all these other folks, it's like, where are my people? >> we're your people. >> yes. welcome home. matt, this could be the first shutdown in history when the white house and the congress are controlled by the same party. what does that tell you about the state of the republican party right now, or maybe it is state of the administration? >> it's not good. i don't think a shutdown is good for anybody. it doesn't make republicans look competent. i would say this. now, normally i've always been in the camp. i was a big critic of republicans in 2013 during the shutdown where ted cruz tried to defund obamacare and i thought tf it was a fool's error. i always thought republicans get blamed for it. i actually think this one works out a bit different for a number of reasons, one of which being that in the senate it would likely be a democratic filibuster that would lead to it.
barack obama didn't get blamed. they said this is ted cruz trying defund obamacare. so there are some weird similarities here. it would be no surprise if he goes back to the white house, if there is a dramatic several series of meetings and they work out some crazy deal between them but they have to go back to the senate. >> and mitch mcconnell looking bad and coming out fine. >> this is my question. do we have consequences for any of these actions? it is under clear. >> isn't this what donald trump loves to do. start a week in chaos, work through and it then there is the dramatic final act. >> of course, the 11:58 p.m. he comes out arm in arm with chuck schumer. >> when you look at the congressional approval now at under 20%. 18%. that is a horrible number.