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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:51:00

but this was what was hi first name, dr dr. jerry oziel. doctor oziel, the psychologist erik was sent t after those burglaries two months after the murders judalon smyth said she was wit dr oziel when erik menendez calle to schedule an emergency session. smyth wouldn t talk to us fo this report, but she did bac then and here s what she told us dr oziel said after getting tha call well all of a sudden he s saying, you know, i hope i not going to hear what i think i m going to hear. smyth told zoeller that dr. oziel was worried about what might happen at the session. and so he asked her to stay in the waiting room of his office while he met with erik o october 31st, 1989 she also told zoeller tha from the waiting room, she overheard erik tell dr oziel the very thing investigators had suspected fo months, but couldn t prove

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220122 08:52:00

we re gonna have to kill him now. seriously? yes. and erik said, i can t kill anymore. and he burst in tears and left. well, lyle and dr. oziel, more or less, followed him. and lyle got to the elevator. and dr. oziel said, am i in danger? and lyle said, that s all i can tell you is have a good life, dr. oziel. and it freaked him out. what followed was a strange and nervous dance, oziel told lyle and erik to come back for follow up therapy sessions. the brothers, afraid oziel might go to police, agreed. during one of those sessions, they both confessed to killing their parents. and oziel recorded the conversation. judalon smyth learned about the recording and told detectives, who promptly seized the tape.

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220122 08:51:00

oziel said after getting that call. well all of a sudden he s saying, you know, i hope i m not going to hear what i think i m going to hear. smyth told zoeller that dr. oziel was worried about what might happen at the session. and so he asked her to stay in the waiting room of his office while he met with erik on october 31st, 1989. she also told zoeller that from the waiting room, she overheard erik tell dr. oziel the very thing investigators had suspected for months, but couldn t prove. erik said that they shot their parents. and dr. oziel immediately says, we need to call your brother and have him come over here right away. lyle menendez, who had been at the elm drive home, passing out candy to trick-or-treaters, rushed over to dr. oziel s office. and lyle burst into the room. judalon smyth told zoeller she heard lyle confront his brother. and she heard him say, why did you tell him?

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220122 09:18:00

ruled that the confession tape made by dr. oziel could not be presented as evidence. of course, the defense had already conceded that lyle and erik killed their parents. nearly four years after the murders. july, 1993. if convicted here, lyle and erik could face the death penalty. their judge was stanley weisberg. who had already presided over high profile cases, notably the rodney king beating case, whose result sparked the l.a. riots. judge weisberg ruled that each brother would have his own jury. and the electronic media that wants access to this courtroom. reporter: he allowed cameras in the courtroom. the idea that there was a camera in a courtroom in california was so new, so novel. reporter: reporter alan abrahamson, once an attorney himself, covered the trial for the l.a. times. you weren t just playing to the jury. you were playing to all of america. reporter: the judge s

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220122 08:50:00

beverly hills mansion. and then one day, he just knew. was there a particular time when you thought, okay, yes, it s them ? well, when we got a call from judalon smyth. a name he d never heard before. what did she have to tell you? her whole purpose was to talk about this doctor. and how he was her therapist. and he was having an affair with her. not relevant information to a homicide detective. but this was what was his first name, dr dr. jerry oziel. doctor oziel, the psychologist erik was sent to after those burglaries. two months after the murders, judalon smyth said she was with dr. oziel when erik menendez called to schedule an emergency session. smyth wouldn t talk to us for this report, but she did back then. and here s what she told us dr.

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