his approval rating is already really low. it s already 36%, you know? he doesn t need to lose all of his base for it to tank the republican party. he just needs to split off a kind of hard-core chunk of it. and there s no solution to this that doesn t alienate someone that he needs. well, leon, i said you were wrong, look at the business. michelle says i m wrong, look at the cults. a final word from you for your thoughts? listen, i don t want to go so far as to call it a cult, but i think michelle is more or less right in what he s saying factually. i come at this from a different perspective p perspective. i covered the republican primary from the republican side. all i ll say is that i will believe any significant portion of donald trump s base is going to abandon him when i see it and not before. fair and well put and appreciate all the insights from across the spectrum here, michelle goldberg and leon wolf. still ahead, the 25th amendment talks swirling around the white ho
the most innocent explanation is we can t take the risk that he is going to get elected and not let us investigate him so let s get this investigation started now. but even there it s obvious they are rushing things and not doing it the right way and the meticulous way. laura: i have a question for you. why wouldn t jeff sessions at this point fire mccabe? i mean, that doesn t bear on the russian investigation. i know he recused himself from the collusion investigation, why count he fire mccabe now? he could, right? he has the power to fire mccabe. i ve heard different things how broad his recusal was. one interpretation he said i won t have anything to do with the election at all. somebody could say that has to do with the election. but i think he could do it. look, president trump can call up christopher wray and say the
shows corporate tax cuts leads to more investment in jobs. george bush ronald reagan cut taxes. higher deficits, lower growth. bill clinton and obama raised taxes, lower deficits as a result. i think the data here doesn t bear what you are saying. julie: i have to argue that for a second. i don t know about you or both of you if you re a corporation owner, if you speak with one they will tell you that if those tax breaks are in fact doled out to corporations they would have excess in money to perhaps hire more people and why gary cohn asked the corporate leaders the raise their hands as to whether it was increase investment in jobs you got a half hearted response from the corporate ceos a week ago. no data supports that argument. julie: considering how
unaffordable healthcare is and unaffordable health insurance is under obamacare these corporations could use the tax break to not only pay people s salaries but pay for people s health insurance. can i just say julian is making an argument for the corporate tax rate saying there are loopholes companies can get. do we want companies in the u.s. playing the loophole game or do we want to cut taxes so instead of spending time trying to get through loopholes they spend time investing in the u.s. i want to see the $2 trillion come back to the u.s. the only way to see it is to cut the tax rates here. he is making the case there is no data for corporate tax rates benefiting the u.s. that s bunk. they reinvest that money. you are making that up. you re playing the rich versus poor game. that s not the game here. no, what they do is they buy back stock an increase dividends. no data. the public two out of three voters think this is a tax plan
federal government. what we haven t heard is how this new collection of information, if it ever comes to pass, will be protected. where is it going to be housed? is it going to be encrypted? when you collect this kind of personal data about every american and you put it in one place, you re creating a very tempting target for criminals and state adversaries. i think the congress and secretaries of state have the right to ask, if this information is collected, what are the specific steps being taken to make sure we don t have another massive leak like the office of personnel management theft of a couple of years ago. it doesn t seem like a commission is going to be able to provide that at all. to me, that doesn t stand up. that doesn t bear scrutiny either. but to your president, the vice chairman of the commission, he has been asked questions about the security issue. he actually says, no, this is actually going to help the security of the voter rolls. here he is on npr.