teach a course on the national security toolbox. and we look at the various aspects of this, and what s happening is, the u.s. government and the international community is using the tools, operating internationally, getting international pressure, a variety of sanctions that are tighter and tighter. humanitarian assistance and saying that no options are off the table. so i know people talk about appeasement. it has nothing to do you know, assad may be a terrible, but he s not hitler. and it s not the same as when the western powers were basically trying to figure out how not to do anything over czechoslovakia, and here we really are trying to do something and being fairly good and calibrated about it. and then a lesson that colin powell really made at every meeting was, if you re going to go in, you ve got to figure out how to get out. you ve always got to have an exit strategy. so i think there are lessons to be learned, not just from munich, but from all the things
that the assad regime may be planning some sort of exit strategy. pro-government forces have been battling rebel forces for nearly two years. human rights activists claim more than 40,000 people have died. the latest concern has been whether the syrian military would use chemical weapons on its own people in a last ditch effort to stay in power. but today syria s ambassador to the united nations warned that the rebels might try using chemical weapons and then blame the government in an attempt to gain more support. egypt is bracing for widespread protests tomorrow against the country s new pot and its newly drafted constitution. demonstrations raged on against mohammed morsi. opponents claim he tried to make himself a dictator by granting himself near absolute power. over the weekend, voters passed the new constitution with 57% of the ballot. if passed if an upcoming vote, his ally also have sweeping new powers. protesters claim the vote was full of irregularities.
issue. on wednesday in brussels clinton also renewed support for the syrian opposition. is there an exit strategy for assad? though the u.n. secretary of general said yesterday the world should not let him seek asylum senator kerry told andrea mitchell he disagrees. it s in our security interests to be able to get a transition that is controlled and that is negotiated and that is orderly because the alternative to that is you could have 200,000, 500,000 people killed. if syria crosses the red line in chemical weapons what will the u.s. do? middle east expert jeffrey goldberg joins us on the escalating violence across the region in a scoop that some people missed that he had. we ll expose it here. plus an msnbc news exclusive. afghan president hamid karzai blames the u.s. and nato forces for what he says is growing insecurity in his country. what he told our own reporter about the future of the
through some other country, some other means, to find a place, an exit strategy for him right now so he doesn t release the chemical weapons and make some sort of way to at least plan how to take how to secure them? well, again, if you believe some of the things people are saying about the russian role, they may well be trying to convince him to leave, but there s a real problem here because one thing he and others in his regime would insist on is to be immune from prosecution for various human rights violations, crimes against humanity. very hard to get that kind of immunity. greta: i thought we did that all the time. we have historically. i mean, some of these bad people have gotten safe haven places. we re in a different environment now, unfortunately, and what it means is in the case of gaddafhi, they might as well go down with their boots on. if the choice is dying fighting for themselves or be convicted by the international criminal court, every incentive is to stay in po
through some other country, some other means, to find a place, an exit strategy for him right now so he doesn t release the chemical weapons and make some sort of way to at least plan how to take how to secure them? well, again, if you believe some of the things people are saying about the russian role, they may well be trying to convince him to leave, but there s a real problem here because one thing he and others in his regime would insist on is to be immune from prosecution for various human rights violations, crimes against humanity. very hard to get that kind of immunity. greta: i thought we did that all the time. we have historically. i mean, some of these bad people have gotten safe haven places. we re in a different environment now, unfortunately, and what it means is in the case of gaddafhi, they might as well go down with their boots on. if the choice is dying fighting for themselves or be convicted by the international criminal court, every incentive is to stay in po